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Linux Tyro

28 Oct 2011 28 Oct '11

16:44

On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 9:10 PM, Anton Aylward wrote:

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Is is advisable to Google

Of course, that is correct but what I have heard is that openSUSE mailing list is one of the most supporting mailing lists. -- Thx. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

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Rajko M.

29 Oct 29 Oct

20:52

On Friday, October 28, 2011 11:44:32 AM Linux Tyro wrote:

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On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 9:10 PM, Anton Aylward

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Is is advisable to Google

Of course, that is correct but what I have heard is that openSUSE mailing list is one of the most supporting mailing lists.

I think that is correct comparing to some other that I had chance to read, but we can't elaborate every answer, nor it makes sense to repeat what is already extensively written about. Although, just using Google can confuse people as many articles that talk about problems are written some time ago and have information that one has to carefully check is it valid. For inexperienced users that might be frustrating experience. -- Regards, Rajko -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

lynn

21:12

On Saturday 29 Oct 2011 22:52:09 Rajko M. wrote:

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On Friday, October 28, 2011 11:44:32 AM Linux Tyro wrote:

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On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 9:10 PM, Anton Aylward

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Is is advisable to Google

Of course, that is correct but what I have heard is that openSUSE mailing list is one of the most supporting mailing lists.

I think that is correct comparing to some other that I had chance to read, but we can't elaborate every answer, nor it makes sense to repeat what is already extensively written about.

Although, just using Google can confuse people as many articles that talk about problems are written some time ago and have information that one has to carefully check is it valid. For inexperienced users that might be frustrating experience.

I'm an inexperienced user by the standards on this list. My main problem is in how to ask a question. I think many others have that problem too. The problem I find with Google is that it does not contain up to date information. An issue I had recently was connecting an ubuntu client to an opensuse ldap server. This just isn't covered on google. I have no idea how I could word a question to this list about that. This list is excellent. It has saved me money and is teaching me how to ask questions. L x -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Rajko M.

23:37

On Saturday, October 29, 2011 04:12:53 PM lynn wrote:

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... I'm an inexperienced user by the standards on this list.

Not really, but if you think so :)

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My main problem is in how to ask a question. I think many others have that problem too.

Asking to get right answers is sometimes mix of black magic and luck, to guess right wording that will bring up some articles that helps, but it is buried in a pile of writings that are irrelevant for your problem. Mostly it is just right wording where school and college acquired knowledge of idiomatic terms and phrases are irreplaceable. For me it can sometimes take reading article, or two, that is not closely related to problem, only to find usable words. I will remember my first LVM excursion, where at first all I knew was what LVM stands for (Logical Volume Management). It was frustrating experience as I had to read a bit to find words and phrases that led to actual results.

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The problem I find with Google is that it does not contain up to date information.

Accurate is to tell that it has all information, old and new in one pile, and because of words used in a query your relevant info is on 29th page :) The fact is that even if it is on 3rd, it is far from sight. No one today has a time to read 30 pages of results to find right article.

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An issue I had recently was connecting an ubuntu client to an opensuse ldap server. This just isn't covered on google. I have no idea how I could word a question to this list about that. This list is excellent. It has saved me money and is teaching me how to ask questions.

That particular problem is hard because there is no many users with such problem, ie. admin that has openSUSE server and Ubuntu clients. Most likely question should be something like: connect to openSUSE LDAP with third party clients this gives me as a first hit: http://doc.opensuse.org/products/opensuse/openSUSE/opensuse- security/cha.security.ad.html Now, how usable is that for your problem is another pair of shoes, as you questions are quite detailed, not really beginner type of questions :)

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L x

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Michael S. Dunsavage

21:40

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Is is advisable to Google

Of course, that is correct but what I have heard is that openSUSE mailing list is one of the most supporting mailing lists. I think what is trying to be said here is do as much research as

On 10/29/2011 4:52 PM, Rajko M. wrote: possible before coming and asking a question. Also when asking a question give as much information as possible. It is better to sort through too much information than to not have enough. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Rajko M.

23:03

On Saturday, October 29, 2011 04:40:30 PM Michael S. Dunsavage wrote:

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I think what is trying to be said here is do as much research as possible before coming and asking a question.

Hi Mike, I'm afraid that own research without some experience is not an easy task. How to know that information is obsolete? What do you use to filter obsolete and irrelevant articles and messages? Your and other people answers can help to create some wiki article that will help people without any experience to actually use Google. -- Regards, Rajko -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Anton Aylward

23:51

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Rajko M. said the following on 10/29/2011 07:03 PM:

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On Saturday, October 29, 2011 04:40:30 PM Michael S. Dunsavage wrote:

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I think what is trying to be said here is do as much research as possible before coming and asking a question.

Hi Mike,

I'm afraid that own research without some experience is not an easy task. How to know that information is obsolete?

What do you use to filter obsolete and irrelevant articles and messages? Your and other people answers can help to create some wiki article that will help people without any experience to actually use Google.

Google has many ways of filtering. You can, for example, set date ranges. There are buttons for within last year' ... month .... week ... 24 hours You can also add search terms and terms to avoid, building boolean search constructs. No-one is saying that the first attempt at a search as to be the right one. As you see search terms and read articles you will find what you want to include and exclude. This doesn't take genius. Just a bit of logic and patience. -- To solve an interesting problem, first find a problem that is interesting to you. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Rajko M.

3 Nov 3 Nov

02:26

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On Saturday, October 29, 2011 06:51:47 PM Anton Aylward wrote:

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This doesn't take genius. Just a bit of logic and patience.

Right, but logic and patience are not the only personal properties that people attracted to Linux have, and to be honest, those that can come on idea to use Linux to run their computer are rather young and restless. -- Regards, Rajko -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Linux Tyro

17:19

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On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 10:26 PM, Rajko M. wrote:

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Right, but logic and patience are not the only personal properties that people attracted to Linux have, and to be honest, those that can come on idea to use Linux to run their computer are rather young and restless.

On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 10:57 PM, David C. Rankin wrote:

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This list is what makes opensuse shine. It is by far the best all-around opensuse/Linux related list to ask questions on because of the people in this community. Feel free to ask any suse/linux related question here and you can count on getting informed and thoughtful responses. If it is not an appropriate question, you will be politely urged to post that particular question on the appropriate list.

Really, I have installed openSUSE 11.4. -- THX -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

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