I saw something about this project being shut down. Should I reinstall and replace it with ext3? My server is newly set up with nothing installed RC1 10.2. I did an upgrade on 10.1.
Thanks.
On Sunday 26 November 2006 17:40, Thomas Miller wrote:
I saw something about this project being shut down. Should I reinstall and replace it with ext3? My server is newly set up with nothing installed RC1 10.2. I did an upgrade on 10.1.
No.
Nest time you have a need to reinstall, you may wish to change. Its not broke. Don't fix it.
AFAICS that's disinformation. See http://www.namesys.com/. v3 is not being changed (except for bug fixes; so it is being maintained as such) and v4 is under development, though the developers seem to suggest it is as ready as Linux 2.6. Fairly ready, then I guess.
Thomas Miller wrote:
I saw something about this project being shut down. Should I reinstall and replace it with ext3? My server is newly set up with nothing installed RC1 10.2. I did an upgrade on 10.1.
Thanks.
On Monday 27 November 2006 11:21, Russell Jones wrote:
AFAICS that's disinformation. See http://www.namesys.com/. v3 is not being changed (except for bug fixes; so it is being maintained as such) and v4 is under development, though the developers seem to suggest it is as ready as Linux 2.6. Fairly ready, then I guess.
As far as I understand, reiserfs is fine. The change to ext3 is included now because of expected future changes. The developers want to make sure everything works smoothly before new versions are out and requiring other changes.
On Sunday 26 November 2006 18:40, Thomas Miller wrote:
I saw something about this project being shut down. Should I reinstall and replace it with ext3? My server is newly set up with nothing installed RC1 10.2. I did an upgrade on 10.1.
The project (Namesys) seems to be Hans Reiser, and his personal problems (he has pled not guilty in the murder of his estranged wife) may lead to its demise but no one knows at this point.
The only problem I have with reiserfs is that suse's partition manager doesn't seem to be able to resize a reiserfs partition, which is why I installed with ext3 when I added Suse 10.1
I wouldn't change to ext3 unless you anticpated resizing problems.
On Thursday 30 November 2006 3:24 pm, Robert Smits wrote:
The only problem I have with reiserfs is that suse's partition manager doesn't seem to be able to resize a reiserfs partition, which is why I installed with ext3 when I added Suse 10.1
Reiserfs can be resized without even unmounting. If you want to grow a Reiserfs filesystem, you simply increase the size of the underlying volume/partition/whatever, then run resize_reiserfs <device>.
Most filesystems, including Ext3, have to be unmounted before resizing.
On Thursday 30 November 2006 21:57, James Oakley wrote:
Most filesystems, including Ext3, have to be unmounted before resizing.
Since kernel 2.6.10 and e2fsprogs 1.39 you can grow an ext3 file system without unmounting it
XFS has had online growing for a long time
Online shrinking is another matter
On Thursday 30 November 2006 12:57, James Oakley wrote:
On Thursday 30 November 2006 3:24 pm, Robert Smits wrote:
The only problem I have with reiserfs is that suse's partition manager doesn't seem to be able to resize a reiserfs partition, which is why I installed with ext3 when I added Suse 10.1
Reiserfs can be resized without even unmounting. If you want to grow a Reiserfs filesystem, you simply increase the size of the underlying volume/partition/whatever, then run resize_reiserfs <device>.
Didn't do it for me. I tried to get the partition manager in Yast to reduce the size of the partition, it wouldn't do it, and then found a number of articles in user groups telling me that others had the same problem and that it couldn't be done because the tools weren't available in 10.1. The problem didn't exist with ext3 partitions.
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Robert Smits wrote:
On Thursday 30 November 2006 12:57, James Oakley wrote:
On Thursday 30 November 2006 3:24 pm, Robert Smits wrote:
The only problem I have with reiserfs is that suse's partition manager doesn't seem to be able to resize a reiserfs partition, which is why I installed with ext3 when I added Suse 10.1
Reiserfs can be resized without even unmounting. If you want to grow a Reiserfs filesystem, you simply increase the size of the underlying volume/partition/whatever, then run resize_reiserfs <device>.
Didn't do it for me. I tried to get the partition manager in Yast to reduce the size of the partition, it wouldn't do it, and then found a number of articles in user groups telling me that others had the same problem and that it couldn't be done because the tools weren't available in 10.1. The problem didn't exist with ext3 partitions.
No, it's a bug/limitation in the yast partition module. The tools are there, I've done it numerous times since quite a number of SUSE versions.
Actually, you can't do that with ext3 (not while the partition is mounted).
cheers - -- -o) Pascal Bleser http://linux01.gwdg.de/~pbleser/ /\ pascal.bleser@skynet.be guru@unixtech.be __v The more things change, the more they stay insane.
The only problem I have with reiserfs is that suse's partition manager doesn't seem to be able to resize a reiserfs partition, which is why I installed with ext3 when I added Suse 10.1
Reiserfs can be resized without even unmounting. If you want to grow a Reiserfs filesystem, you simply increase the size of the underlying volume/partition/whatever, then run resize_reiserfs <device>.
Most filesystems, including Ext3, have to be unmounted before resizing.
"Most" huh? resize2fs's manual page says it can do it online too, and xfs can _only_ do it online. I am sure jfs also has some way, so "most" ist mostly inaccurate ;-)
-`J'
On Friday 01 December 2006 7:19 am, Jan Engelhardt wrote:
The only problem I have with reiserfs is that suse's partition manager doesn't seem to be able to resize a reiserfs partition, which is why I installed with ext3 when I added Suse 10.1
Reiserfs can be resized without even unmounting. If you want to grow a Reiserfs filesystem, you simply increase the size of the underlying volume/partition/whatever, then run resize_reiserfs <device>.
Most filesystems, including Ext3, have to be unmounted before resizing.
"Most" huh? resize2fs's manual page says it can do it online too, and xfs can _only_ do it online. I am sure jfs also has some way, so "most" ist mostly inaccurate ;-)
Ah, I stand corrected. Reiserfs *used* to be the only Linux fs capable of online resizing. ext3 got it in 2.6.10.
Apparently, this misconception is popular. I remember reading it recently.
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On Sunday 26 November 2006 18:40, Thomas Miller wrote:
I saw something about this project being shut down. Should I reinstall and replace it with ext3? My server is newly set up with nothing installed RC1 10.2. I did an upgrade on 10.1.
The project (Namesys) seems to be Hans Reiser, and his personal problems (he has pled not guilty in the murder of his estranged wife) may lead to its demise but no one knows at this point.
The only problem I have with reiserfs is that suse's partition manager doesn't seem to be able to resize a reiserfs partition, which is why I installed with ext3 when I added Suse 10.1
IMO that's a bug in yast though, because you can very easily resize reiserfs partitions online (= while mounted), especially when they're on LV (Logical Volumes).
I wouldn't change to ext3 unless you anticpated resizing problems.
I never had resizing problems with reiserfs. Actually, that's its biggest strength IMO. XFS can be resized online too, but you can only grow XFS partitions, and not shrink them. ext3 cannot be resized online the last time I checked (I'd love to be proven wrong on this one ;)) (anyone knows whether that will be possible with ext4 ?)
And reiser3 isn't dead because Namesys' future is doubtful. reiser3 is currently being maintained by Linux kernel developers, since quite some time. reiser3 could be dead because there aren't much Linux kernel devs taking care of it as of now, but not because of Namesys.
And I certainly wouldn't say reiserfs is dead, reiser4 is currently being considered for being merged into vanilla/mainline. If it does, it will be maintained by Linux kernel developers, whatever happens to Namesys and Hans Reiser.
cheers - -- -o) Pascal Bleser http://linux01.gwdg.de/~pbleser/ /\ pascal.bleser@skynet.be guru@unixtech.be __v The more things change, the more they stay insane.
On Sunday 26 November 2006 19:40, Thomas Miller wrote:
I saw something about this project being shut down. Should I reinstall and replace it with ext3? My server is newly set up with nothing installed RC1 10.2. I did an upgrade on 10.1.
Here Jeff Mahoney explains the shift from Reiser to ext3 in the default installation of opensuse desktop: http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2006-09/msg00542.html
No need to change a running installation, though. But I'll use ext3 in all future installs to future-proof them.
Carlos FL
On Thursday 30 November 2006 19:58, Carlos F Lange wrote:
On Sunday 26 November 2006 19:40, Thomas Miller wrote:
I saw something about this project being shut down. Should I reinstall and replace it with ext3? My server is newly set up with nothing installed RC1 10.2. I did an upgrade on 10.1.
Here Jeff Mahoney explains the shift from Reiser to ext3 in the default installation of opensuse desktop: http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2006-09/msg00542.html
That is very intersting to read.
I have noticed serious problems - particularly when compared to the pathetic NTFS - in directories with large numbers of files. My media directory has around 6000 files in various sub directories and it always kills konqeror when displaying any portion of it.
Also, I paid particular attention to this part, "ReiserFS v3 is a dead end. Hans has been pushing reiser4 for years now and declared Reiser3 in maintenance mode. Any changes that aren't bug fixes are met with violent resistance. Reiser4 is not an incremental update and requires a reformat, which is unreasonable for most people."
I thought I WAS on v4, so I'm curious why v3 is even discussed.
No need to change a running installation, though. But I'll use ext3 in all future installs to future-proof them.
Yeah, it seems like the world is moving to ext3, which is also mentioned in the posting.
Thanks!
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The Thursday 2006-11-30 at 20:26 -0800, Kai Ponte wrote:
Here Jeff Mahoney explains the shift from Reiser to ext3 in the default installation of opensuse desktop: http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2006-09/msg00542.html
That is very intersting to read.
Old stuff :-p
I have noticed serious problems - particularly when compared to the pathetic NTFS - in directories with large numbers of files. My media directory has around 6000 files in various sub directories and it always kills konqeror when displaying any portion of it.
I have tested reiserfs on a dir with a million files and works fine. Try that with ext3!
"Works fine" doesn't mean that you can happily list the contents, by the way ;-)
Also, I paid particular attention to this part, "ReiserFS v3 is a dead end. Hans has been pushing reiser4 for years now and declared Reiser3 in maintenance mode. Any changes that aren't bug fixes are met with violent resistance. Reiser4 is not an incremental update and requires a reformat, which is unreasonable for most people."
I thought I WAS on v4, so I'm curious why v3 is even discussed.
No, you are not on v4. Not if you are using a stock SuSE distro. You need to patch kernels and do nasty developer stuff ;-)
No need to change a running installation, though. But I'll use ext3 in all future installs to future-proof them.
Yeah, it seems like the world is moving to ext3, which is also mentioned in the posting.
Notice that the distro is not deprecating reiserfs. It is simply offering, by default, to install on ext3 - or rather, will do so on next version - but you can just click on the reiserfs button if you prefer it so.
- -- Cheers, Carlos E. R.
Carlos E. R. wrote:
I have tested reiserfs on a dir with a million files and works fine. Try that with ext3!
I have quite a number of directories with 2 to 3 million files each, used quite regularly. I can confirm that I haven't had any problems under reiserfs 3.
Cheers, Dave
On Friday 01 December 2006 07:19, Dave Howorth wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
I have tested reiserfs on a dir with a million files and works fine. Try that with ext3!
I have quite a number of directories with 2 to 3 million files each, used quite regularly. I can confirm that I haven't had any problems under reiserfs 3.
Cheers, Dave
Well, I'm sure it works. I don't have a quesiton about that. It just seems "slow" to list.
When I go to my Documents folder or my media folder, there's always a long pause and a bunch of disk activity while it loads the contents. I'm not sure why.
I really don't care what filesystem I use. I just want it to work so I can get my stuff done.
On Friday 01 December 2006 07:43, Kai Ponte wrote:
Well, I'm sure it works. I don't have a quesiton about that. It just seems "slow" to list.
When I go to my Documents folder or my media folder, there's always a long pause and a bunch of disk activity while it loads the contents. I'm not sure why.
Go there in a shell and list them.
You are confusing the time it takes to allocate huge chunks of memory to build a listview and sus out what type of file each is (in order to show the correct icon) with the time it takes to acutally do ls -l.
Well, I'm sure it works. I don't have a quesiton about that. It just seems "slow" to list.
When I go to my Documents folder or my media folder, there's always a long pause and a bunch of disk activity while it loads the contents. I'm not sure why.
Go there in a shell and list them.
You are confusing the time it takes to allocate huge chunks of memory to build a listview and sus out what type of file each is (in order to show the correct icon) with the time it takes to acutally do ls -l.
ls also does sorting, so at best you would do this:
#include <dirent.h> int main(void) { DIR *x = opendir("."); while(readdir(x)); closedir(x); }
and time that, both with cold and hot dirs.
-`J'
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The Friday 2006-12-01 at 08:43 -0800, Kai Ponte wrote:
On Friday 01 December 2006 07:19, Dave Howorth wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
I have tested reiserfs on a dir with a million files and works fine. Try that with ext3!
I have quite a number of directories with 2 to 3 million files each, used quite regularly. I can confirm that I haven't had any problems under reiserfs 3.
Well, I'm sure it works. I don't have a quesiton about that. It just seems "slow" to list.
When I go to my Documents folder or my media folder, there's always a long pause and a bunch of disk activity while it loads the contents. I'm not sure why.
I really don't care what filesystem I use. I just want it to work so I can get my stuff done.
That's the fault of the file browser you are using, not of the filesystem.
- -- Cheers, Carlos E. R.
On Friday 01 December 2006 17:41, Carlos E. R. wrote:
The Friday 2006-12-01 at 08:43 -0800, Kai Ponte wrote:
On Friday 01 December 2006 07:19, Dave Howorth wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
I have tested reiserfs on a dir with a million files and works fine. Try that with ext3!
I have quite a number of directories with 2 to 3 million files each, used quite regularly. I can confirm that I haven't had any problems under reiserfs 3.
Well, I'm sure it works. I don't have a quesiton about that. It just seems "slow" to list.
When I go to my Documents folder or my media folder, there's always a long pause and a bunch of disk activity while it loads the contents. I'm not sure why.
I really don't care what filesystem I use. I just want it to work so I can get my stuff done.
That's the fault of the file browser you are using, not of the filesystem.
Okay. Is there a better file browser? I just use Konqueror because it is what i have.
Oh, I don't particulary like Krusader, because I can't get a simple folder in one tab and the files/folders in the other tab like Konqeror and Explorer.
* Kai Ponte kai@perfectreign.com [12-02-06 22:26]:
On Friday 01 December 2006 17:41, Carlos E. R. wrote:
That's the fault of the file browser you are using, not of the filesystem.
Okay. Is there a better file browser? I just use Konqueror because it is what i have.
Oh, I don't particulary like Krusader, because I can't get a simple folder in one tab and the files/folders in the other tab like Konqeror and Explorer.
Try mc, midnight commander. It uses much less resources and is text based.
ps. Please trim your quotes. thanks,
On Saturday 02 December 2006 19:30, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
- Kai Ponte kai@perfectreign.com [12-02-06 22:26]:
On Friday 01 December 2006 17:41, Carlos E. R. wrote:
That's the fault of the file browser you are using, not of the filesystem.
Okay. Is there a better file browser? I just use Konqueror because it is what i have.
Oh, I don't particulary like Krusader, because I can't get a simple folder in one tab and the files/folders in the other tab like Konqeror and Explorer.
Try mc, midnight commander. It uses much less resources and is text based.
Thanks for the tip. I do slip into that when I have to downgrade into the command line. It allows for some rudimentary work. However, I was looking for a real file browser. :) Seriously, having been stuck in a command line from '79 until about '93 (with the exception of my school Macintoshes) I hope never to see the command line again.
ps. Please trim your quotes. thanks,
I always do when appropriate.
* Kai Ponte kai@perfectreign.com [12-03-06 11:16]:
On Saturday 02 December 2006 19:30, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
Try mc, midnight commander. It uses much less resources and is text based.
Thanks for the tip. I do slip into that when I have to downgrade into the command line. It allows for some rudimentary work. However, I was looking for a real file browser. :) Seriously, having been stuck in a command line from '79 until about '93 (with the exception of my school Macintoshes) I hope never to see the command line again.
but mc is probably as or more powerful/configurable than _any_ graphical file browser and functions very similar.
use of the command line must be a personal thingy, I go to the command line for nearly everything that is possible there and _only_ revert to pictures when absolutely necessary, ie: editing photographs. I have returned to the trac-ball to stop reaching all over the desk for the mouze and then having to continually recenter it on a ?pad?.
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The Sunday 2006-12-03 at 08:14 -0800, Kai Ponte wrote:
Try mc, midnight commander. It uses much less resources and is text based.
Thanks for the tip. I do slip into that when I have to downgrade into the command line. It allows for some rudimentary work. However, I was looking for a real file browser. :)
It IS a real file browser :-P
And faster. I use it for all my serious file moving or manipulation. Konqueror is just for fancy stuff.
ps. Please trim your quotes. thanks,
I always do when appropriate.
It is always appropriate.
- -- Cheers, Carlos E. R.
On Sunday 03 December 2006 10:55, Carlos E. R. wrote:
The Sunday 2006-12-03 at 08:14 -0800, Kai Ponte wrote:
Try mc, midnight commander. It uses much less resources and is text based.
Thanks for the tip. I do slip into that when I have to downgrade into the command line. It allows for some rudimentary work. However, I was looking for a real file browser. :)
It IS a real file browser :-P
And faster. I use it for all my serious file moving or manipulation. Konqueror is just for fancy stuff.
I thought that I'm one of the last mc users :-) Now I feel better.
Please look at this and see what we can add/change: http://en.opensuse.org/Midnight_Commander http://en.opensuse.org/Midnight_Commander/Tips
Rajko M wrote:
On Sunday 03 December 2006 10:55, Carlos E. R. wrote:
The Sunday 2006-12-03 at 08:14 -0800, Kai Ponte wrote:
Try mc, midnight commander. It uses much less resources and is text based.
Thanks for the tip. I do slip into that when I have to downgrade into the command line. It allows for some rudimentary work. However, I was looking for a real file browser. :)
It IS a real file browser :-P
And faster. I use it for all my serious file moving or manipulation. Konqueror is just for fancy stuff.
I thought that I'm one of the last mc users :-) Now I feel better.
Please look at this and see what we can add/change: http://en.opensuse.org/Midnight_Commander http://en.opensuse.org/Midnight_Commander/Tips
I use it to when I don't have a gui and I still get it from the old school command line guys
On Monday 04 December 2006 1:07 am, Rajko M wrote:
I thought that I'm one of the last mc users :-) Now I feel better.
I've been using it since it was called Mouseless Commander. I still use it constantly.
Please look at this and see what we can add/change: http://en.opensuse.org/Midnight_Commander http://en.opensuse.org/Midnight_Commander/Tips
Ah. Off the top of my head:
Alt-s - Incremental search (I use this every 3 minutes on average :-)
Ctrl-x a - Open VFS list. If an ftp session times out, you won't be able to browse the site until you use this to free the open vfs so you can log in again
cd /#sh:[user@]hostname - Browse files on another system via ssh
Also, the F2-menu is awesome. Here's my favourite customisation, which produces colourised diffs of files against the other directory:
+ t r & ! t t d Diff against file of same name in other directory if [ "%d" = "%D" ]; then echo "The two directores must be different" exit 1 fi if [ -f %D/%f ]; then # if two of them, then diff -up %f %D/%f | sed -e 's/(^-.*)/\x1b[1;31m\1\x1b[0m/g' \ -e 's/(^+.*)/\x1b[1;32m\1\x1b[0m/g' \ -e 's/(^@.*)/\x1b[36m\1\x1b[0m/g' | less -R else echo %f: No copy in %D/%f fi
D Diff current directory against other directory if [ "%d" = "%D" ]; then echo "The two directores must be different" exit 1 fi diff -up %d %D | sed -e 's/(^-.*)/\x1b[1;31m\1\x1b[0m/g' \ -e 's/(^+.*)/\x1b[1;32m\1\x1b[0m/g' \ -e 's/(^@.*)/\x1b[36m\1\x1b[0m/g' | less -R fi
On Monday 04 December 2006 12:26, James Oakley wrote:
On Monday 04 December 2006 1:07 am, Rajko M wrote:
I thought that I'm one of the last mc users :-) Now I feel better.
I've been using it since it was called Mouseless Commander. I still use it constantly.
Please look at this and see what we can add/change: http://en.opensuse.org/Midnight_Commander http://en.opensuse.org/Midnight_Commander/Tips
James,
I'll open a new thread, the Midnight Commander.
And to be on topic :-)
No reiserfs is not dead and it will probably replace ext3 on next 10.2 installation. I wasn't happy with "checking files system" hanging on the screen.
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The Saturday 2006-12-02 at 19:24 -0800, Kai Ponte wrote:
That's the fault of the file browser you are using, not of the filesystem.
Okay. Is there a better file browser? I just use Konqueror because it is what i have.
Oh, I don't particulary like Krusader, because I can't get a simple folder in one tab and the files/folders in the other tab like Konqeror and Explorer.
For such big directories, Midnight Comander (mc) may work. It is text based (ncurses) but very powerfull.
- -- Cheers, Carlos E. R.
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