[opensuse] opensuse 10.2 feature question
All, I was just reading the kernel newbies page about the new features in 2.6.19: http://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_2_6_19 And saw: == FAT: Add "-o flush" mount option for fat for removable media devices (USB flash-based memory devices, MP3 players). Mounting with -o flush tells FAT to write things to disk as quickly as possible. It is like -o sync, but much faster (and not as safe). Think of it like a fast "async" mount (commit) == Does anyone know if this is in the SUSE 10.2 kernel? And if so, if the SUSE automount logic is using this flag instead of -o sync like 10.1 does? Thanks Greg -- Greg Freemyer The Norcross Group Forensics for the 21st Century -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 12/1/06, Greg Freemyer
All,
I was just reading the kernel newbies page about the new features in 2.6.19: http://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_2_6_19
And saw: == FAT: Add "-o flush" mount option for fat for removable media devices (USB flash-based memory devices, MP3 players). Mounting with -o flush tells FAT to write things to disk as quickly as possible. It is like -o sync, but much faster (and not as safe). Think of it like a fast "async" mount (commit) ==
Does anyone know if this is in the SUSE 10.2 kernel?
And if so, if the SUSE automount logic is using this flag instead of -o sync like 10.1 does?
This feature, while nice, will not go to openSUSE 10.2, because it is feature-frozen, and release is near. It may get included in 10.3 however. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 12/1/06, Alexey Eremenko
On 12/1/06, Greg Freemyer
wrote: All,
I was just reading the kernel newbies page about the new features in 2.6.19: http://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_2_6_19
And saw: == FAT: Add "-o flush" mount option for fat for removable media devices (USB flash-based memory devices, MP3 players). Mounting with -o flush tells FAT to write things to disk as quickly as possible. It is like -o sync, but much faster (and not as safe). Think of it like a fast "async" mount (commit) ==
Does anyone know if this is in the SUSE 10.2 kernel?
And if so, if the SUSE automount logic is using this flag instead of -o sync like 10.1 does?
This feature, while nice, will not go to openSUSE 10.2, because it is feature-frozen, and release is near.
It may get included in 10.3 however. --
Thanks, thats what I suspected, but sometimes SUSE backports new features into older kernels, so I was hopeful. Greg -- Greg Freemyer The Norcross Group Forensics for the 21st Century -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 12/1/06, Alexey Eremenko
wrote: On 12/1/06, Greg Freemyer
wrote: All,
I was just reading the kernel newbies page about the new features in 2.6.19: http://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_2_6_19
But I know, because I rebuilt my kernel (for the fun of it, and to check out a problem I had), and needed certain patches like for apparmor, etc., that the 10.1 kernel had this patch. I found out when I mounted a USB drive with my self built kernel, when I found the patch and added it to mine, so I would be fairly certain it is already in 10.2, and
And saw: == FAT: Add "-o flush" mount option for fat for removable media devices (USB flash-based memory devices, MP3 players). Mounting with -o flush tells FAT to write things to disk as quickly as possible. It is like -o sync, but much faster (and not as safe). Think of it like a fast "async" mount (commit) ==
Does anyone know if this is in the SUSE 10.2 kernel?
And if so, if the SUSE automount logic is using this flag instead of -o sync like 10.1 does?
This feature, while nice, will not go to openSUSE 10.2, because it is feature-frozen, and release is near.
It may get included in 10.3 however. --
Thanks, thats what I suspected, but sometimes SUSE backports new features into older kernels, so I was hopeful. I am running 10.2, and the patch is in the kernel. I just checked, and
Greg Freemyer wrote: probably came FROM Suse and was just accepted mainline in the kernel with 2.6.19. the patch was from Chris Mason from SUSE. In this case, I don't think it was a backport, but a SUSE enhancement. -- Joe Morris Registered Linux user 231871 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
FAT: Add "-o flush" mount option for fat for removable media devices (USB flash-based memory devices, MP3 players). Mounting with -o flush tells FAT to write things to disk as quickly as possible. It is like -o sync, but much faster (and not as safe). Think of it like a fast "async" mount (commit)
-o flush works here, and looking at the changelogs for 10.1 it appears it was added then. My USB devices appear to be mounted with it automatically. The kde and gnome automount things have support too. See http://benjiweber.co.uk/screenshots/usb-opts.png the Flushed IO option. I'm not sure what the difference between this and what is mentioned in the 2.6.19 changelog. Perhaps someone could enlighten me. _ Benjamin Weber -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 12/1/06, B.Weber@warwick.ac.uk
FAT: Add "-o flush" mount option for fat for removable media devices (USB flash-based memory devices, MP3 players). Mounting with -o flush tells FAT to write things to disk as quickly as possible. It is like -o sync, but much faster (and not as safe). Think of it like a fast "async" mount (commit)
-o flush works here, and looking at the changelogs for 10.1 it appears it was added then. My USB devices appear to be mounted with it automatically. The kde and gnome automount things have support too. See http://benjiweber.co.uk/screenshots/usb-opts.png the Flushed IO option.
I'm not sure what the difference between this and what is mentioned in the 2.6.19 changelog. Perhaps someone could enlighten me.
_ Benjamin Weber
Interesting. It had not occurred to me to check 10.1, but at least one of my 10.1 machines is using the flush option as well. Obviously the good folks at Novell have backported this patch and added it to their 2.6.18 kernel. I must say that as many threads as there are on here about USB thumbdrives and hot-plugging I'm amazed not to have read about this before. Greg -- Greg Freemyer The Norcross Group Forensics for the 21st Century -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
"Greg Freemyer"
On 12/1/06, B.Weber@warwick.ac.uk
wrote: FAT: Add "-o flush" mount option for fat for removable media devices (USB flash-based memory devices, MP3 players). Mounting with -o flush tells FAT to write things to disk as quickly as possible. It is like -o sync, but much faster (and not as safe). Think of it like a fast "async" mount (commit)
-o flush works here, and looking at the changelogs for 10.1 it appears it was added then. My USB devices appear to be mounted with it automatically. The kde and gnome automount things have support too. See http://benjiweber.co.uk/screenshots/usb-opts.png the Flushed IO option.
I'm not sure what the difference between this and what is mentioned in the 2.6.19 changelog. Perhaps someone could enlighten me.
We developed this patch in january and it has now been ended in 2.6.19. So, there should be no difference.
_ Benjamin Weber
Interesting.
It had not occurred to me to check 10.1, but at least one of my 10.1 machines is using the flush option as well.
Obviously the good folks at Novell have backported this patch and added it to their 2.6.18 kernel.
No - we developed it ourselves and forward ported it and finally got it merged into 2.6.19, Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, aj@suse.de, http://www.suse.de/~aj/ SUSE Linux Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126
On Saturday 02 December 2006 06:52, Andreas Jaeger wrote:
No - we developed it ourselves and forward ported it and finally got it merged into 2.6.19,
Which is an interesting example of the sort of concrete development that the Novell/SUSE team are putting into Linux. Worth quoting in the future. -- Pob hwyl / Best wishes Kevin Donnelly www.kyfieithu.co.uk - KDE yn Gymraeg www.eurfa.org.uk - Geiriadur rhydd i'r Gymraeg www.rhedadur.org.uk - Rhedeg berfau Cymraeg www.cymrux.org.uk - Linux Cymraeg ar un CD -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Is there any chance we will get it a few days before Dec 7? Like when
Mozilla released FF 2 before schedule.
:-)
On 12/2/06, Kevin Donnelly
On Saturday 02 December 2006 06:52, Andreas Jaeger wrote:
No - we developed it ourselves and forward ported it and finally got it merged into 2.6.19,
Which is an interesting example of the sort of concrete development that the Novell/SUSE team are putting into Linux. Worth quoting in the future.
-- Pob hwyl / Best wishes
Kevin Donnelly
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"Greg Freemyer"
All,
I was just reading the kernel newbies page about the new features in 2.6.19: http://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_2_6_19
And saw: == FAT: Add "-o flush" mount option for fat for removable media devices (USB flash-based memory devices, MP3 players). Mounting with -o flush tells FAT to write things to disk as quickly as possible. It is like -o sync, but much faster (and not as safe). Think of it like a fast "async" mount (commit) ==
Does anyone know if this is in the SUSE 10.2 kernel?
And if so, if the SUSE automount logic is using this flag instead of -o sync like 10.1 does?
From our kernel-source changelog: ------------------------------------------------------------------- Sun Jan 15 19:06:01 CET 2006 - mason@suse.de Update series.conf to reflect my patch status Add missing mason patches (and submit them to mainline) Add fat -o flush mount option for best effort constant writeback to removable media (faster O_SYNC alternative). [...] - patches.suse/fat-o-flush: add -o flush for fat. So, it's there since 10.1 and still in 10.2 - and is now upstream. It should be used by our tools already - we implemented it after too many complained about the slow USB speed with 10.0, Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, aj@suse.de, http://www.suse.de/~aj/ SUSE Linux Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126
participants (7)
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Alexey Eremenko
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Andreas Jaeger
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B.Weber@warwick.ac.uk
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d.gavrilovic
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Greg Freemyer
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Joe Morris (NTM)
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Kevin Donnelly