Wolfgang Rosenauer schreef:

Am 29.06.2012 15:02, schrieb Odd Ball:

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TB does only startup, and shut down. All other functions: creating an account and such, don't work. You are the first to report that so I do not think this is a general issue. Does "thunderbird --safe-mode" work? Does using another user or profile work? Do you see an error on the console or is it shutting down cleanly?

Wolfgang

I will check after reboot. (have downgraded networkmanager and friends.. ;-) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Odd Ball schreef:

Wolfgang Rosenauer schreef:

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Am 29.06.2012 15:02, schrieb Odd Ball:

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TB does only startup, and shut down. All other functions: creating an account and such, don't work. You are the first to report that so I do not think this is a general issue. Does "thunderbird --safe-mode" work? Does using another user or profile work? Do you see an error on the console or is it shutting down cleanly?

Wolfgang

I will check after reboot. (have downgraded networkmanager and friends.. ;-)

Konsole output: odd@Eeepc-seashell4c:~> thunderbird safe mode null:profile-after-change added added odd@Eeepc-seashell4c:~> thunderbird null:profile-after-change added added *** nss-shared-helper: Shared database disabled (set NSS_USE_SHARED_DB to enable). Error: No such tab mode: chat -- Exception object -- + fileName (string) 'chrome://messenger/content/tabmail.xml' + lineNumber (number) 465 * -- Stack Trace -- openTab("chat",[object Object])@chrome://messenger/content/tabmail.xml:465 get_selected()@chrome://messenger/content/chat/imconv.xml:121 ()@chrome://global/content/bindings/richlistbox.xml:576 odd@Eeepc-seashell4c:~> The links, to add account, or any other link,do not seem to be connected to any action. (No java script void visible..) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 06/29/2012 07:56 AM, Odd Ball wrote:

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The links, to add account, or any other link,do not seem to be connected to any action. (No java script void visible..)

Btw, i downgraded TB one click, (12 ..?), this one works ok.

I've had little success getting OpenSuSE's flavours of mozilla to work well. For all the on and off problems they're considered unstable. I no longer bother with them. Try Thunderbird 13.0.1 or perhaps whatever is latest from mozilla.org. 13.0.1 fixes some major problems found with 13. And it works a little better than 12. jd -- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Basil Chupin schreef:

On 30/06/12 04:20, j debert wrote:

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On 06/29/2012 07:56 AM, Odd Ball wrote:

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The links, to add account, or any other link,do not seem to be connected to any action. (No java script void visible..)

Btw, i downgraded TB one click, (12 ..?), this one works ok.

I've had little success getting OpenSuSE's flavours of mozilla to work well. For all the on and off problems they're considered unstable. I no longer bother with them.

Try Thunderbird 13.0.1 or perhaps whatever is latest from mozilla.org. 13.0.1 fixes some major problems found with 13. And it works a little better than 12.

jd

I have been using the Daily builds of TB (and the Nightly builds of Firefox) for weeks now without a single hiccup. Using TB v 16.0a1 at the moment (and updated last night).

BC

I think that might be best, as this earlier oS version even can't import setting or whatever from fi seamonkey, that while saying it has done it. I forgot how much time it took to install new on a box, and w7 is a case apart. Partitionmanager still makes the wrong propositions, and now it is worse to undo the propositions, and customize. This is worse than it was, iirc. Rob. -- Have a naice day.. Oddball. OS: Linux 3.1.10-1.9-desktop i686 Huidige gebruiker: odd@Eeepc-seashell4c Systeem: openSUSE 12.1 (i586) KDE: 4.7.2 (4.7.2) "release 5" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 06/29/2012 11:37 PM, monkey9 wrote:

Op 29-06-12 20:20, j debert schreef:

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I've had little success getting OpenSuSE's flavours of mozilla to work well. For all the on and off problems they're considered unstable. I no longer bother with them.

Try Thunderbird 13.0.1 or perhaps whatever is latest from mozilla.org. 13.0.1 fixes some major problems found with 13. And it works a little better than 12.

jd

Might give it a try.. Do not know what is all about with 12.1.... yet. KDE seems to be not completely stable, i am not sure yet.. Icons disappear when waking up, and when changing desktop... Their functionality remains though...

I failed to mention that I had problems with OpenSuSE's TB some time ago. More than 6 months ago, actually. Most likely way more. The memory of being burned by the problems is still strong. Instead of doggedly pursuing the problems I opted for the quick and easy way out and got TB from Mozilla, and the troubles for me were gone. I'm using KDE3 and I don't see such a problem lately. I recall having a problem similar to yours with KDE4 plasma-desktop when I had tried it last, which was about 3 months ago. So it may not be TB after all, if you have the same problems with other apps and windows in KDE. Might try to see if the problems persist in different window manager. jd -- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 01/07/12 22:29, Oddball wrote:

j debert schreef:

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I failed to mention that I had problems with OpenSuSE's TB some time ago. More than 6 months ago, actually. Most likely way more. The memory of being burned by the problems is still strong. Instead of doggedly pursuing the problems I opted for the quick and easy way out and got TB from Mozilla, and the troubles for me were gone. I'm using KDE3 and I don't see such a problem lately. I recall having a problem similar to yours with KDE4 plasma-desktop when I had tried it last, which was about 3 months ago. So it may not be TB after all, if you have the same problems with other apps and windows in KDE. Might try to see if the problems persist in different window manager. jd

This might be the most sane atm, just try ice-wm or xfce, and see if the windows are more stable there... Also i got this annoying thing with skype in 12.1: the image of my confrere, flashes shortly, and i see an expanded image of myself in this flash, very unquiet behavior. Normally, your own image is sitting quietly in the lower right corner...

Rob.

Look, you can discuss this till the cows come home, but has anyone tried using Thunderbird with a new user's profile? I have been using TB since the it was first called Netscape and have never had any real hassles with it. At the moment I am using TB with 12.2 Beta #2 with TB running as either version 13.0 or 16.0a1 (the Daily build). No hassles at all. For other details of my system see my sig below. So, start TB with a new profile and see if you get the same hassles. Report back when this has been done. BC -- Using openSUSE 12.2 x86_64 KDE 4.8.4 and kernel 3.4.4 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel Corsair "Vengeance" RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX550Ti 1GB DDR5 GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 02/07/12 00:13, Odd Ball wrote:

Basil Chupin schreef:

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On 01/07/12 22:29, Oddball wrote:

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j debert schreef:

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I failed to mention that I had problems with OpenSuSE's TB some time ago. More than 6 months ago, actually. Most likely way more. The memory of being burned by the problems is still strong. Instead of doggedly pursuing the problems I opted for the quick and easy way out and got TB from Mozilla, and the troubles for me were gone. I'm using KDE3 and I don't see such a problem lately. I recall having a problem similar to yours with KDE4 plasma-desktop when I had tried it last, which was about 3 months ago. So it may not be TB after all, if you have the same problems with other apps and windows in KDE. Might try to see if the problems persist in different window manager. jd

This might be the most sane atm, just try ice-wm or xfce, and see if the windows are more stable there... Also i got this annoying thing with skype in 12.1: the image of my confrere, flashes shortly, and i see an expanded image of myself in this flash, very unquiet behavior. Normally, your own image is sitting quietly in the lower right corner...

Rob.

Look, you can discuss this till the cows come home, but has anyone tried using Thunderbird with a new user's profile?

I have been using TB since the it was first called Netscape and have never had any real hassles with it.

At the moment I am using TB with 12.2 Beta #2 with TB running as either version 13.0 or 16.0a1 (the Daily build). No hassles at all. For other details of my system see my sig below.

So, start TB with a new profile and see if you get the same hassles. Report back when this has been done.

BC

It was a new install, on an eeepc, which had never seen anything else than windows 7. And of course with a new /home, and a new user which was never there before... And i too, have used netscape from 1995, experienced a lot of troubles with win 95 with it, same goes for the descendents.. But most of the time both tb and ff worked fine, and so did netscape.

Rob.

You're not really responding to my suggestion. I really don't care if it was a fresh install :-) . The problem is NOW, after the install and, presumably, after updates/upgrades to files were put thru since the OS was installed. So, do the "new profile" waltz and let's see if the problem still persists :-) . BC -- Using openSUSE 12.2 x86_64 KDE 4.8.4 and kernel 3.4.4 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel Corsair "Vengeance" RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX550Ti 1GB DDR5 GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 03/07/12 08:31, Adam Sailer wrote:

You're not really responding to my suggestion. I really don't care if it was a fresh install :-) . The problem is NOW, after the install and, presumably, after updates/upgrades to files were put thru since the OS was installed.

So, do the "new profile" waltz and let's see if the problem still persists :-) .

BC

Using a new profile didn't work for me; Disabling TestPilot and TrackerBird did =)

Thank you,

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Whoa! :-) By creating a new profile you start as a new user with no add-ons in your Thunderbird. It's the same as starting TB (or FF) in safe-mode. BC -- Using openSUSE 12.2 x86_64 KDE 4.8.4 and kernel 3.4.4 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel Corsair "Vengeance" RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX550Ti 1GB DDR5 GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 03/07/12 15:51, Wolfgang Rosenauer wrote:

Am 03.07.2012 06:31, schrieb Basil Chupin:

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On 03/07/12 08:31, Adam Sailer wrote:

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You're not really responding to my suggestion. I really don't care if it was a fresh install :-) . The problem is NOW, after the install and, presumably, after updates/upgrades to files were put thru since the OS was installed.

So, do the "new profile" waltz and let's see if the problem still persists :-) .

BC

Using a new profile didn't work for me; Disabling TestPilot and TrackerBird did =)

Thank you, Whoa! :-)

By creating a new profile you start as a new user with no add-ons in your Thunderbird. It's the same as starting TB (or FF) in safe-mode. Not in that case though. TestPilot is shipped from TB itself and TrackerBird is installed by openSUSE in a system-wide way. So a new profile will get these addons immediately. So it's different to -safe-mode.

And TrackerBird seems to be completely broken as more and more reports on that list are saying that removing/disabling it fixes the issues :-(

Thanks for this information Wolfgang. I didn't know about TestPilot (nor Tracker[Bird]). I have just looked in my list of Add-ons for TB and did find TestPilot there, and it is Enabled. However, I have had no hassles with TB, as I already mentioned, so TestPilot is certainly not affecting me (and I do switch between TB v13 and the Daily v16). I looked for what you call TrackerBird, which you say is installed by openSUSE, but all I can see in the list of software is something simply called Tracker - is this the same as the app you are referring to? In any case, this Tracker is NOT installed on my system. BC -- Using openSUSE 12.2 x86_64 KDE 4.8.4 and kernel 3.4.4 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel Corsair "Vengeance" RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX550Ti 1GB DDR5 GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 03/07/12 17:23, Wolfgang Rosenauer wrote:

Am 03.07.2012 09:20, schrieb Basil Chupin:

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Thanks for this information Wolfgang. I didn't know about TestPilot (nor Tracker[Bird]).

I have just looked in my list of Add-ons for TB and did find TestPilot there, and it is Enabled. However, I have had no hassles with TB, as I already mentioned, so TestPilot is certainly not affecting me (and I do switch between TB v13 and the Daily v16). As expected. TestPilot is not known to be the cause of any of the issues to me. It always came down to Trackerbird.

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I looked for what you call TrackerBird, which you say is installed by openSUSE, but all I can see in the list of software is something simply called Tracker - is this the same as the app you are referring to? In any case, this Tracker is NOT installed on my system. It's usually installed on Gnome systems (and even hard to get rid of completely there). The addon "TrackerBird" in RPM speech is tracker-miner-thunderbird.

"Ah, the old local-jargon-talk trick, Chief!" :-) BC -- Using openSUSE 12.2 x86_64 KDE 4.8.4 and kernel 3.4.4 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel Corsair "Vengeance" RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX550Ti 1GB DDR5 GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Op 03-07-12 17:42, Oddball schreef:

Op 03-07-12 00:31, Adam Sailer schreef:

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You're not really responding to my suggestion. I really don't care if it was a fresh install :-) . The problem is NOW, after the install and, presumably, after updates/upgrades to files were put thru since the OS was installed.

So, do the "new profile" waltz and let's see if the problem still persists :-) .

BC

Using a new profile didn't work for me; Disabling TestPilot and TrackerBird did =)

Thank you,

Adam N�����r��y隊Z)z{.�ﮞ˛���m�)z{.��+�:�{Zr�az�'z��j)h���Ǿ� ޮ�^�ˬz�

I did not install tracker-miner-Thunderbird when i saw it in the repo... test pilot was installed... also in this older version.

This version also fails to import anything from sm. even after disabling tp.

I will reinstall the newer version again, see what happens.

Installed the new version, it did copy the settings from the old account, but still cannot import anything, but it says it did, like the old version. Console blabbers about the languages but also about: Tijdstempel: 03-07-12 17:58:44 Waarschuwing: WARN addons.updates: Update manifest for {972ce4c6-7e08-4474-a285-3208198ce6fd} did not contain an updates property Bronbestand: resource:///modules/AddonUpdateChecker.jsm Regel: 313 Tijdstempel: 03-07-12 17:59:00 Waarschuwing: Unknown property 'box-sizing'. Declaration dropped. Bronbestand: https://www.mozilla.org/nl/thunderbird/13.0/whatsnew/?uri=/thunderbird/whatsnew&locale=nl&version=13.0&os=Linux&buildid=2012060100 Regel: 15 Tijdstempel: 03-07-12 17:59:00 Waarschuwing: Unknown property 'transform'. Declaration dropped. Bronbestand: https://www.mozilla.org/nl/thunderbird/13.0/whatsnew/?uri=/thunderbird/whatsnew&locale=nl&version=13.0&os=Linux&buildid=2012060100 Regel: 110 Tijdstempel: 03-07-12 17:59:00 Waarschuwing: Unknown property '-moz-border-radius'. Declaration dropped. Bronbestand: https://www.mozilla.org/nl/thunderbird/13.0/whatsnew/?uri=/thunderbird/whatsnew&locale=nl&version=13.0&os=Linux&buildid=2012060100 Regel: 142 Tijdstempel: 03-07-12 17:59:00 Waarschuwing: Unknown property 'transition'. Declaration dropped. Bronbestand: https://www.mozilla.org/nl/thunderbird/13.0/whatsnew/?uri=/thunderbird/whatsnew&locale=nl&version=13.0&os=Linux&buildid=2012060100 Regel: 149 Tijdstempel: 03-07-12 17:59:00 Waarschuwing: Error in parsing value for 'display'. Declaration dropped. Bronbestand: https://www.mozilla.org/nl/thunderbird/13.0/whatsnew/?uri=/thunderbird/whatsnew&locale=nl&version=13.0&os=Linux&buildid=2012060100 Regel: 244 Tijdstempel: 03-07-12 17:59:00 Waarschuwing: Unknown property 'box-orient'. Declaration dropped. Bronbestand: https://www.mozilla.org/nl/thunderbird/13.0/whatsnew/?uri=/thunderbird/whatsnew&locale=nl&version=13.0&os=Linux&buildid=2012060100 Regel: 253 Tijdstempel: 03-07-12 17:59:00 Waarschuwing: Unknown property 'box-align'. Declaration dropped. Bronbestand: https://www.mozilla.org/nl/thunderbird/13.0/whatsnew/?uri=/thunderbird/whatsnew&locale=nl&version=13.0&os=Linux&buildid=2012060100 Regel: 254 Tijdstempel: 03-07-12 17:59:00 Waarschuwing: Unknown property 'box-flex'. Declaration dropped. Bronbestand: https://www.mozilla.org/nl/thunderbird/13.0/whatsnew/?uri=/thunderbird/whatsnew&locale=nl&version=13.0&os=Linux&buildid=2012060100 Regel: 262 Tijdstempel: 03-07-12 17:59:00 Waarschuwing: Unknown property 'box-flex'. Declaration dropped. Bronbestand: https://www.mozilla.org/nl/thunderbird/13.0/whatsnew/?uri=/thunderbird/whatsnew&locale=nl&version=13.0&os=Linux&buildid=2012060100 Regel: 262 But there are many, many more, shown in the code in the other box... This looks like a locale problem, in the dutch version, but i am not sure, because i cannot compare, unless when i install another language.... -- Have a nice day.. Oddball. OS: Linux 3.1.10-1.9-desktop i686 Huidige gebruiker: odd@Eeepc-seashell4c Systeem: openSUSE 12.1 (i586) KDE: 4.7.2 (4.7.2) "release 5" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org