On 14-01-10 03:43 PM, Marco Calistri wrote:
Il 10/01/2014 18:05, Ted Byers ha scritto:
On 14-01-10 02:35 PM, Marco Calistri wrote:
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Il 10/01/2014 16:51, Carlos E. R. ha scritto:
On 2014-01-10 17:34, Rares Aioanei wrote:
On Fri, 10 Jan 2014 13:11:05 -0200 Marco Calistri <marco.calistri@yahoo.com.br> wrote:
1) BLUETOOTH doesn't works completely You didn't offer anything in order to receive help. What "doesn't works completely" even mean? It is well known that bluetooth doesn't work.
Usually when something doesn't' works, somebody try to repair it ;-)
And in the real world of software engineering and maintenance, when it gets fixed depends sensitively on it's priority relative to other things that need to be done and the available resources to get it done, as well as how hard it is to fix. I do not contribute code or patches to any distribution of Linux because I know nothing of what rests deep within the bowels of the OS, or even the compilers for that matter. The programming I do is generally at the application layer. But even so, I sometimes feel sorry for those that do because their 'clients' seem to expect perfection and want every bug fixed almost instantly. I expect that, since the Bluetooth issue has been around for a while, it is likely a question of it being a hard fix or there is insufficient manpower to get it done, or both. I know I have a fair list of bugs I need to address in my own code, but I don't have the manpower to get them fixed, and there are a lot of big features I am expected to add which are of higher priority for the guys paying the bills. I'll give you three guesses as to what I spend my time on, given that fact of life, and the first two don't count.
This is a community led product, so bug fixes and feature development necessarily depends on volunteers to do the heavy lifting. If there is something you don't like, help fix it; or if you don't know how, then contribute resources to expedite the process. If you don't do that, then one can argue that the issue at hand is not much of an issue for you, or that you don't really care about the issues you're complaining about.
From my experience, OpenSuse 13.1 is a fine product. Generally speaking, it is as good as Windows 7, and before that Windows 2k, and much better than any verions of Windows prior to the latter, as well as Vista. I do not have, and will not soon have, a machine running Windows 8, so I can't make that comparison. I certainly like it better than any Windows Server version. For my purposes, none of the three things you mentioned are important as they do not affect me at all. I do not use those three capabilities.
You have given a list of things you want to complain about. Why don't you also give a list of all the features that they got right, or that work better than most or all other available operating systems? It would be good to give the guys that work hard to develop this a pat on the back for the things they got right, as well as letting them know about those things that need to be improved (ideally without giving them a slap up-side the head for it).
Cheers
Ted
Hi Ted,
I hope to be not intended as being just a rude complainer.
I use openSUSE, I think from version 10.3...
I had a deep doubt to switch to LinuxMint recently but then I decided to upgrade my openSUSE 12.3 to 13.1, this is a proof that I like this distro!
Also I think 13.1 being a good release but this doesn't means it has not defects or that users must avoid to complain about some bugs or malfunctions, nor that volunteers or even Novell affiliated developers could make it better than it is today.
I use to complain of things that for my usage are important.
May be for server usage openSUSE and Linux in general are definitely better than other O.S. but for laptop I feel it is still not complete.
Bluetooth and Power Management are two important examples of weaknesses that I see if I compare openSUSE 13.1 with Windows 7.
Regards,
Understood. The final statement in your first post in this thread "I consider all the above as limitations in a modern O.S." did give me the impression of relatively useless complaining. As others points out, in this thread, the Bluetooth issue is being addressed. And they have directed you to the right place to find out just how hard they are working on it. Others have also reported that they are not having the trouble with their laptops regarding power management that you are having. I did not suggest that users avoid making their troubles known, but surely the best approach is to first seek help to determine where the problem lies, and then, if the problem involves a bug in the product, file a bug report. As a software developer myself, I give top priority to those bugs passed on to me by customer support personelle (as they will have made an initial diagnosis of where the problem is), and then to properly filed bug reports. I have seen too many 'users' complain just for the sake of complaining and taking up the time of support personelle (one of my aunts included). Developers generally try to make their product as good as it can be, but face limitations of time and resources. That, along with the fact no-one is perfect, is why there are and always will be bugs in virtually every product that exists. Might I suggest you follow the resources other pointed you to to follow when the Bluetooth stack will be fixed and released, and start a thread to investigate your power management issues. Cheers Ted -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org