On 07/16/2017 04:20 PM, L A Walsh wrote:
Richard Brown wrote:
The firstname.lastname@example.org is meant to be a support mailinglist for the openSUSE distributions.
No one is being helped by the continuation of this thread or other ones like it. ... On 16 July 2017 at 07:25, L A Walsh email@example.com wrote: ...
Since you seem to be using my email as a springboard for your "request", I would have you notice that many of the issue I mention (that some think are "customizations"), predate the existence of sysD. responding to my email, I feel it While I agree on one hand, I find it a bit grating for any group of people to be singled out as "not to participate" in a discussion on this list, as it sounds like you are saying it's ok for anyone not in the latest discussion to re-raise the topic later. The opensuse membership changes over time, and some not here now can feel free to bring this up while others who want to post their own experiences are forbidden to share. I would like to make a counter proposal: create a different discussion group for sysD. Just as the kernel has its own group, surely sysD has enough size and features to warrant its own group. While I am certainly turned off by personal ridicule for or flaming, since there is a large amount of tension, confusion, and need for advice and discussions sometimes become debates. Provide a separate space where those who want to discuss the matter can do so apart from those looking for support in this group.
It may be no one will want to post there -- but that would be fine too, since it still gives a place for sysD discussion so it comes up, it can be immediately redirected off this list to an appropriate location. That include posts for & against, and concerning development, and "help" concerning systemd. Just like there is a separate space for kernel discussion and factory discussion, why not sysd.
I respectfully request that the discussion of this topic ends and all of the people involved do not create, continue, or restart any discussion about the pros or cons of systemd on this mailinglist again.
Discussions that seek to practically help people with systemd issues are of course perfectly fine, but it is unacceptable to suggest removal of systemd on this list when it has been the only supported init system for months.
More than months. FWIW, I've never lobbied for wholesale removal, just it being more flexible and configurable -- an issue that got me involved in this recent round, as it's been a tendency toward the opposite that has caused me the most discomfort/grief.
Failure to comply with my above request, will lead to my recommendation to the openSUSE Board that we consider banning the people ignoring this request.
People compared Linus to Leonart. People flocked to Linux because they liked it -- it was a grassroots, bottom-up project. Vs. SystemD: it's forced from the top down. It's not professional jealousy -- its not professional at all. While I've heard the term dictator applied to Linus, it's never been without the the adjective "benevolent". I've yet to see the same adjective applied to the pro-sysD-enforcers.
"Failure to comply" will result in termination -- this is supposed to attract new users to the OpenSUSE "community
Well said Linda!