For those that haven't listened to what the developers are saying about the current readiness of kde4, the following provides a bit of insight: http://www.mail-archive.com/kde-devel@kde.org/msg00343.html OpenSuSE was wise to preserve kde3 for 11.3. From the contents of the message above, it would be equally wise to preserve kde3 for 11.4 as well.... Releasing broken software is never a good idea... If you think KDE4 is anything other than beta, despite the astronomical release number following the K the D and the E, the link above should remove all doubt. Thank God for Ilya -- good to be with you man :) -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org