From mhtexcollins@ccms.net Wed Jun 17 10:38:53 1998 From: mhtexcollins@ccms.net To: users@lists.opensuse.org Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] X Download Dialog Box Stinks. Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 05:38:53 -0500 Message-ID: <35879CBD.107F475C@ccms.net> In-Reply-To: <3587CDF1.6821FC89@cpkwebser5.ncr.disa.mil> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0158236499563845518==" --===============0158236499563845518== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable And to think that I thought I just had not found the right (or whatever) button to push.. These features need to be here. Steven T. Hatton wrote: > I have been using Unix on and off for years. > There is one feature that seems to really stink. > I don't like the dialog box for file > manipulation. There are a few features in the M$ > GUI that seem superior to those in Unix. In Unix > there is no way to create a directory by > right-clicking like you can in 95/NT. I have > found that StarOffice does have this right-click > feature, so I know that it can be done in Unix. > Another feature I don't like about the standard > file manipulation dialog box is the fact that if I > choose an alternative directory to the one the > dialog box defaults to, the file name is lost. > Since the dialog box that I am referring to seems > to exist on every Unix GUI that I have worked > with, I assume it is something basic to the way X > works. I am certainly not an expert on X-Windows > architecture. Is it possible to build an > alternative to the standard way Unix file > manipulation boxes work? > > Steve > > -- > To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with > this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e -- - - -- IMHO BEST Beginners book so far. Sams' Teach Yourself Linux in 24 hours. redhat press. - Celis Gran Cru and Linux; Nowhere but South Austin Texas. - - - TEX http://www.ccms.net/~mh= texcollins/78704.htm> __ / / __ _ _ _ _ __ __ / /__ / / / \// //_// \ \/ / /____/ /_/ /_/\/ /___/ /_/\_\ ...for IQs GREATER than 95/98?... --- -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e --===============0158236499563845518==-- From hattons@CPKWEBSER5.ncr.disa.mil Wed Jun 17 14:08:49 1998 From: hattons@CPKWEBSER5.ncr.disa.mil To: users@lists.opensuse.org Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] X Download Dialog Box Stinks. Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 10:08:49 -0400 Message-ID: <3587CDF1.6821FC89@cpkwebser5.ncr.disa.mil> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============5920769252576768938==" --===============5920769252576768938== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have been using Unix on and off for years. There is one feature that seems to really stink. I don't like the dialog box for file manipulation. There are a few features in the M$ GUI that seem superior to those in Unix. In Unix there is no way to create a directory by right-clicking like you can in 95/NT. I have found that StarOffice does have this right-click feature, so I know that it can be done in Unix. Another feature I don't like about the standard file manipulation dialog box is the fact that if I choose an alternative directory to the one the dialog box defaults to, the file name is lost. Since the dialog box that I am referring to seems to exist on every Unix GUI that I have worked with, I assume it is something basic to the way X works. I am certainly not an expert on X-Windows architecture. Is it possible to build an alternative to the standard way Unix file manipulation boxes work? Steve -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e --===============5920769252576768938==-- From weissel@jupiter.ph-cip.uni-koeln.de Thu Jun 18 11:09:35 1998 From: weissel@jupiter.ph-cip.uni-koeln.de To: users@lists.opensuse.org Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] X Download Dialog Box Stinks. Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 13:09:35 +0200 Message-ID: <19980618130935.I19540@Tiger.uni-koeln.de> In-Reply-To: <3587CDF1.6821FC89@cpkwebser5.ncr.disa.mil> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============6315977265670376278==" --===============6315977265670376278== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi! Trying to kill the keyboard, hattons(a)CPKWEBSER5.ncr.disa.mil produced: > > I have been using Unix on and off for years. > There is one feature that seems to really stink. > I don't like the dialog box for file > manipulation. Aehm, WHICH 'dialog box for file manipulation' ? I use the bash (and fvwm2). If I want to create a directory, for example, I type mkdir directory. So I think you are talking about some other windowmanager (kdm comes to mind) or a 'norton commander' clone (there are half a dozen on the SuSE 5.2 CD's IIRC. UNIX per se is not graphical (which is a big plus, as you can slap on different graphics servers, like the different X11 Servers aviable, and on top of these (but independent from them, as long as it's X11) many many different window managers, like enlightenment, fvwm, twm, CDE, kdm, .......). So please don't say Unix when you blame something else. > right-clicking like you can in 95/NT. I have > found that StarOffice does have this right-click > feature, so I know that it can be done in Unix. Sure it can be done. Almost everything that can be done as a GUI in WinXX can be done under Unix, it's a question of writing the program (parts), and of wanting to do it the WinXX way - often there are better ways. > Since the dialog box that I am referring to seems > to exist on every Unix GUI that I have worked > with, I assume it is something basic to the way X > works. nope. X is just the 'graphics card' to your window manager. If you run Windows everywhere, it'll look the same everywhere, but that won't mean that you could not put other pictures on your monitor. And I never ever saw these boxes. I presume you were using always the same window manager/program/ whatever with mostly the same configurations (especially if it's a WM). -Wolfgang -- PGP 2 welcome: Mail me, subject "send PGP-key". If you've nothing at all to hide, you must be boring. Unsolicited Bulk E-Mails: *You* pay for ads you never wanted. Is our economy _so_ weak we have to tolerate SPAMMERS? I guess not. -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e --===============6315977265670376278==-- From mhtexcollins@ccms.net Thu Jun 18 15:30:30 1998 From: mhtexcollins@ccms.net To: users@lists.opensuse.org Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] X Download Dialog Box Stinks. Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 10:30:30 -0500 Message-ID: <35893296.EB89518D@ccms.net> In-Reply-To: <19980618130935.I19540@Tiger.uni-koeln.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============5396295293550393282==" --===============5396295293550393282== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Run netscape and right click on a jpg or something and tell it to save. See the box. Wolfgang Weisselberg wrote: > Hi! > > Trying to kill the keyboard, hattons(a)CPKWEBSER5.ncr.disa.mil produced: > > > > I have been using Unix on and off for years. > > There is one feature that seems to really stink. > > I don't like the dialog box for file > > manipulation. > > Aehm, WHICH 'dialog box for file manipulation' ? I use the bash (and > fvwm2). If I want to create a directory, for example, I type mkdir > directory. > > So I think you are talking about some other windowmanager (kdm comes > to mind) or a 'norton commander' clone (there are half a dozen on the > SuSE 5.2 CD's IIRC. > > UNIX per se is not graphical (which is a big plus, as you can slap on > different graphics servers, like the different X11 Servers aviable, and > on top of these (but independent from them, as long as it's X11) many > many different window managers, like enlightenment, fvwm, twm, CDE, > kdm, .......). So please don't say Unix when you blame something else. > > > right-clicking like you can in 95/NT. I have > > found that StarOffice does have this right-click > > feature, so I know that it can be done in Unix. > > Sure it can be done. Almost everything that can be done as a GUI in > WinXX can be done under Unix, it's a question of writing the program > (parts), and of wanting to do it the WinXX way - often there are better > ways. > > > Since the dialog box that I am referring to seems > > to exist on every Unix GUI that I have worked > > with, I assume it is something basic to the way X > > works. > > nope. > > X is just the 'graphics card' to your window manager. If you run > Windows everywhere, it'll look the same everywhere, but that won't mean > that you could not put other pictures on your monitor. > And I never ever saw these boxes. > > I presume you were using always the same window manager/program/ > whatever with mostly the same configurations (especially if it's a WM). > > -Wolfgang > > -- > PGP 2 welcome: Mail me, subject "send PGP-key". > If you've nothing at all to hide, you must be boring. > Unsolicited Bulk E-Mails: *You* pay for ads you never wanted. > Is our economy _so_ weak we have to tolerate SPAMMERS? I guess not. > -- > To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with > this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e -- - - -- IMHO BEST Beginners book so far. Sams' Teach Yourself Linux in 24 hours. redhat press. - Celis Gran Cru and Linux; Nowhere but South Austin Texas. - - - TEX http://www.ccms.net/~mh= texcollins/78704.htm> __ / / __ _ _ _ _ __ __ / /__ / / / \// //_// \ \/ / /____/ /_/ /_/\/ /___/ /_/\_\ ...for IQs GREATER than 95/98?... --- -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e --===============5396295293550393282==-- From hattons@CPKWEBSER5.ncr.disa.mil Fri Jun 19 16:26:38 1998 From: hattons@CPKWEBSER5.ncr.disa.mil To: users@lists.opensuse.org Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] X Download Dialog Box Stinks. Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 12:26:38 -0400 Message-ID: <358A913D.6D39D339@cpkwebser5.ncr.disa.mil> In-Reply-To: <19980618130935.I19540@Tiger.uni-koeln.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============5041329956912978364==" --===============5041329956912978364== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wolfgang Weisselberg wrote: > Hi! > > Aehm, WHICH 'dialog box for file manipulation' ? I use the bash (and > fvwm2). If I want to create a directory, for example, I type mkdir > directory. > Yea, I can open a terminal window and create the directory that way, and then refresh the dialog box. I find this inconvenient. > So I think you are talking about some other windowmanager (kdm comes > to mind) or a 'norton commander' clone (there are half a dozen on the > SuSE 5.2 CD's IIRC. What I am talking about is the box that pops up when I try to download a file in Netscape, for example. You can get this dialog box by going to any web page and clicking "file|save as". This is the same under openwin, cde, and kde. I believe it is also the same under fvwm. > UNIX per se is not graphical (which is a big plus, as you can slap on > different graphics servers, like the different X11 Servers aviable, and > on top of these (but independent from them, as long as it's X11) many > many different window managers, like enlightenment, fvwm, twm, CDE, > kdm, .......). So please don't say Unix when you blame something else. Perhaps this feature is something common to Motif or OpenLook. As I say, I am not an expert. I am sure that things don't need to be the way they are. I am just wondering why they are this way. > > > . > > > right-clicking like you can in 95/NT. I have > > found that StarOffice does have this right-click > > feature, so I know that it can be done in Unix. > > Sure it can be done. Almost everything that can be done as a GUI in > WinXX can be done under Unix, it's a question of writing the program > (parts), and of wanting to do it the WinXX way - often there are better > ways. > > > Since the dialog box that I am referring to seems > > to exist on every Unix GUI that I have worked > > with, I assume it is something basic to the way X > > works. > > nope. > > X is just the 'graphics card' to your window manager. If you run > Windows everywhere, it'll look the same everywhere, but that won't mean > that you could not put other pictures on your monitor. > And I never ever saw these boxes. > Well I guess I meant Motif of OpenLook. > I presume you were using always the same window manager/program/ > whatever with mostly the same configurations (especially if it's a WM). > See above. > -Wolfgang Steve -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e --===============5041329956912978364==-- From weissel@jupiter.ph-cip.uni-koeln.de Sat Jun 20 14:13:59 1998 From: weissel@jupiter.ph-cip.uni-koeln.de To: users@lists.opensuse.org Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] X Download Dialog Box Stinks. Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 16:13:59 +0200 Message-ID: <19980620161359.F22525@Tiger.uni-koeln.de> In-Reply-To: <358A913D.6D39D339@cpkwebser5.ncr.disa.mil> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============5625470237016860555==" --===============5625470237016860555== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi! Trying to kill the keyboard, hattons(a)CPKWEBSER5.ncr.disa.mil produced: > > Aehm, WHICH 'dialog box for file manipulation' ? I use the bash (and > > fvwm2). If I want to create a directory, for example, I type mkdir > > directory. > > Yea, I can open a terminal window and create the directory that way, and > then refresh the dialog box. I find this inconvenient. > What I am talking about is the box that pops up when I try to download a > file in Netscape, for example. Now I have to start Netscape ... usually *I* prefer lynx :-) > You can get this dialog box by going to any > web page and clicking "file|save as". This is the same under openwin, cde, > and kde. I believe it is also the same under fvwm. Aaah. Now that's Netscape to blame, or Motif. Netscape as a program could of course choose to do it differently; Motif is a graphics library that runs unter a lot of unixes and so the look & feel is quite the same everywhere. Actually, there's no reason to do things that way but for custom ... they are just done this way usually. And people see the same thing, no matter which UNIX they have to use, if it's Motif. So they are done this way. > Well I guess I meant Motif of OpenLook. :) -Wolfgang -- PGP 2 welcome: Mail me, subject "send PGP-key". If you've nothing at all to hide, you must be boring. Unsolicited Bulk E-Mails: *You* pay for ads you never wanted. Is our economy _so_ weak we have to tolerate SPAMMERS? I guess not. -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e --===============5625470237016860555==--