openSUSE Users January 2014

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[opensuse] Strange processes owned by root

by ianseeks

Hi Does anyone know what all these processes are and if they are symptoms of an error somewhere? regards Ian 7 root rt 0 0 0 0 S 0.000 0.000 0:00.01 migration/0 8 root -2 0 0 0 0 S 0.000 0.000 0:00.00 rcuc/0 9 root -2 0 0 0 0 S 0.000 0.000 0:00.00 rcub/0 10 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0.000 0.000 0:06.58 rcu_preempt 11 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0.000 0.000 0:04.82 rcuop/0 12 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0.000 0.000 0:08.04 rcuop/1 13 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0.000 0.000 0:00.00 rcuop/2 14 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0.000 0.000 0:00.00 rcuop/3 15 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0.000 0.000 0:00.00 rcuop/4 16 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0.000 0.000 0:00.00 rcuop/5 17 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0.000 0.000 0:00.00 rcuop/6 18 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0.000 0.000 0:00.00 rcuop/7 19 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0.000 0.000 0:00.00 rcu_bh 20 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0.000 0.000 0:00.00 rcuob/0 21 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0.000 0.000 0:00.00 rcuob/1 22 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0.000 0.000 0:00.00 rcuob/2 23 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0.000 0.000 0:00.00 rcuob/3 24 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0.000 0.000 0:00.00 rcuob/4 25 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0.000 0.000 0:00.00 rcuob/5 26 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0.000 0.000 0:00.00 rcuob/6 27 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0.000 0.000 0:00.00 rcuob/7 28 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0.000 0.000 0:00.00 rcu_sched 29 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0.000 0.000 0:00.00 rcuos/0 30 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0.000 0.000 0:00.00 rcuos/1 31 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0.000 0.000 0:00.00 rcuos/2 32 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0.000 0.000 0:00.00 rcuos/3 33 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0.000 0.000 0:00.00 rcuos/4 34 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0.000 0.000 0:00.00 rcuos/5 35 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0.000 0.000 0:00.00 rcuos/6 36 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0.000 0.000 0:00.00 rcuos/7 37 root rt 0 0 0 0 S 0.000 0.000 0:00.14 watchdog/0 38 root rt 0 0 0 0 S 0.000 0.000 0:00.13 watchdog/1 39 root -2 0 0 0 0 S 0.000 0.000 0:00.00 rcuc/1 40 root rt 0 0 0 0 S 0.000 0.000 0:00.01 migration/1 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner(a)opensuse.org

8 years, 5 months

[opensuse] How to add an older repository ..............

by Duaine Hechler

How do I add an older repository without screwing things up ? I need the old libicu .... 46 from 12.1 OSS. Do I add it then set priority lower than 99 - say 50 ? Thanks, Duaine -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner(a)opensuse.org

8 years, 5 months

[opensuse] [long story] HP server/NIC/router/gateway frustration

by Felix Miata

Internet friend Georg from 4,000 miles away bought a house near me. He subscribed to cable, installed an internet router, and installed a Logitech camera system so that he could monitor his house here from his distant home. That system continues to work via the Logitech module plugged into a router LAN port. Later he bought a HP Windows 2011 server puter with no OM drive to use for remote desktop so that he could pay bills from local utility systems whose archaic billing systems do not accept international payments in sensible fashion electronically. Remote desktop was supposed to solve the problem by making the transactions look local, created via online banking with a bank located across the street from the utility. RDP worked for a time, but stopped when the HP became unable to access the internet. I brought his HP here to troubleshoot. The problem appeared on the basis of its lights not lighting up when a cable is plugged into it to be the onboard NIC died, probably as a result of our area's infamous power outages hitting his unprotected-by-UPS HP. I had no NIC to test with because his HP has no PCI slots and I had only PCI NIC spares to test with. Hoping for a minimal likelihood of compatibility issues I ordered and installed http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833106033 . With it installed and the HP plugged into my LAN everything appeared to be copasetic with regard to the HP, though leaving it on long enough for Windows to do updates left my Samba dysfunctional for more than 24 hours while I tried to figure out what went wrong and how to fix it[1]. When I took the HP back to its home, it still refused to see the internet. Blinking router lights on unconnected ports made me think the router had been damaged at the same time as the NIC. Not wanting to disturb continued function of the camera system, I quit trying and brought the HP back here, then ordered Georg's choice of new router, D-Link DIR-655. The new router like most consumer products nowadays comes with no paper manual, just a short quick start sheet. A PDF manual comes on a CD with a Windows driver and Windows installation Wizard utility that in big black letters on an big orange sticker on the router says must do first. Of course this is not possible because I have no OM USB device to read the CD, and his HP has no OM drive to read it either. I called D-Link support to report the media type problem, and complain about the upside down ethernet ports and port labels underneath the ports instead of above where they would be visible. I was told by machine the wait queue was 11+ minutes. 64 minutes later after no further response I hung up. I've never bought D-Link before. I'll never buy D-Link again. I tried testing it all here sans manual by plugging the new router into my router via the same cable normally used for my test puters, with the brand new router's new ethernet cable connecting new NIC to router port 4. On first try, no luck, no NIC lights. I removed the new cable from the NIC, and plugged one of my cables into the NIC and router port 2. Wired thus, router chained to router, it enabled Firefox to reach the internet, and the new router's setup utility page. I proceeded through the router's initial setup "wizard", setting a name and password for wireless. At the end of that process the router purposefully rebooted itself. Since that reboot, nothing I do makes the exclamation mark leave the Windows network function icon, or the new router's light for that port stop blinking. FF cannot reach the internet. I shut the HP down, then plugged one of my (multiboot) openSUSE systems into the new router using my own same cable. I first tried 12.1. It too could not reach internet (no response to ping www.google.com). This made me think my first try at chaining the two routers succeeding was either a fluke, or something via running the new router's wizard was blocked/canceled/destroyed. So my plan is now to figure out how to get openSUSE to see the internet through both routers. Once that's done, I'll need to make a live Linux USB stick (that's been waiting for an available round tuit for many moons), and ensure that whatever I got to work on my own system will work reliably on the HP, possibly with its old NIC. As another option alternative to USB, I could temporarily remove the HP HD (a quick and easy process) and put in one of my own with openSUSE already configured for Intel CPU and HD controller. Once I know I have the HP working reliably with live Linux or my own HD, I can then see about getting Windows to do as well. Then once that's done I can try taking the HP and new router to Georg's house. So, step next: get any openSUSE from 11.4 up through 13.2 to reach the internet through both routers. Is there something special that needs to be done WRT routing or DNS setup for such a router configuration to succeed? Anything else I'm missing? [1] http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2014-01/msg00943.html Additionally, every time the HP connects to``````` my LAN, my own router changes the HTTP port assignment from where it belongs for running Apache to the IP assigned via DHCP address to the HP. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner(a)opensuse.org

8 years, 5 months

[opensuse] Temp directories NOT cleared at boot (oS13.1)

by Dylan

Hi I was doing some general HD housekeeping recently, and found several hundred old and irrelevant files scattered through the directories under /tmp. This was surprising, since I have the "clear temp directories on boot" option set to "yes" in the YaST sysconfig editor module. Is this no longer the 'correct' method to cleat the temp directories? How should I make sure that these directories do not become overloaded with redundant files in future? Thanks Dylan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner(a)opensuse.org

8 years, 5 months

[opensuse] EOL of openSUSE 12.1 in 12.2

by Bjoern Voigt

Hello, there is a funny bug in updated package release-notes-openSUSE-12.2.9-1.16.3.noarch from openSUSE 12.2. It announces the EOL of the previous version 12.1: rpm -q --scripts release-notes-openSUSE-12.2.9-1.16.3.noarch preinstall scriptlet (using /bin/sh): echo "This announcement marks the end of the maintenance period for openSUSE 12.1. [...] I filed the bug as https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=860830 Greetings, Björn -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner(a)opensuse.org

8 years, 5 months

[opensuse] Spamassassin and Thunderbird

by Bob Williams

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Long. long ago in a galaxy faraway, I used to use Spamassassin in association with Kmail, configured using the built-in setup wizard. Several years ago, I switched from Kmail to Thunderbird for email collection, but I just noticed that spamd still starts up automatically on this machine. I've also started getting more spam here recently (must be getting through my ISPs filters) and that started me wondering if it was possible to route my incoming mail through spamassassin before it gets to Thunderbird. I collect my mail from an IMAP account 'out there'. Do I have to setup my own local IMAP server, or can Thunderbird be configured somehow? See my sig for system information. Thanks, Bob - -- Bob Williams System: Linux 3.11.6-4-desktop Distro: openSUSE 13.1 (x86_64) with KDE Development Platform: 4.12.1 Uptime: 12:00pm up 1 day 20:56, 3 users, load average: 0.23, 0.21, 0.22 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlLepMsACgkQ0Sr7eZJrmU5WngCfX2FSh+o4g4fVn3ZHndk6KB6B d2EAnA3cIF18PfVvZq3ss2EfjSDUJjoT =pHD+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner(a)opensuse.org

8 years, 5 months

[opensuse] Installing openSUSE 13.1 alongside OEM Windows 8.1 with Intel Rapid Storage

by Pablo Dotro

Greetings All! I just bought a new ultrabook. It came with a 500Gb HDD and a 32 Gb SSD. It is configured as a RAID0 array, and is being used at the moment by the preinstalled Windows 8.1 (8 originally, it upgraded itself). Windows is set to use "Intel Rapid Storage Technology" and "Intel Rapid Start Technology". As far as I know, this is a software raid technique to use the SSD as a cache for the standard disk, improving speed and response time of windows applications. It is not true hardware raid, but "fakeraid", firmware based. When I try to install openSUSE (from the KDE liveDVD), I get a message indicating that there are partitions on a raid setup,but when I get to the partitioning part of YAST, I do not see them listed. I am clueless about the underlying technology (RAID, rapid start/rapid storage), this is my first notebook with this type of configuration. I tried googling for an answer, but while I found some data about creating RAID sets, and installing from scratch (i.e. without Windows), I have not found a way to set up openSUSE alongside Windows 8.1 in a multiboot configuration in a stable fashion. Disabling Intel Rapid Storage and setting the SATA subsystem to AHCI results in a broken Windows, so I have to keep it working. Is it possible? Any help is appreciated. Best regards, Pablo -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner(a)opensuse.org

8 years, 5 months

[opensuse] Printing problem : firewall ?

by Koenraad Lelong

Hi, On the laptop of my daughter it's not possible to print to a CUPS-printer on a server without disabling the firewall of the laptop. First I had the wireless lan in the external zone, and defined exceptions for IPP in the advanced setup, both TCP and UDP. Did not work. Then I modified the WiFi interface to the internal zone, and checked the 'protect firewall from internal zone'. I also added exceptions for IPP on TCP and UDP. I also tried using the port number : 631. But nothing works. Only disabling the firewall completely enables me to print. What am I doing wrong ? Running Opensuse 12.3. Thanks for any pointers. BTW, I want to use "external zone" because the laptop can be used anywhere, not just at home behind a decent (I hope) firewall. Regards, Koenraad Lelong -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner(a)opensuse.org

8 years, 5 months

[opensuse] Hibernation was aborted because an Android phone was connected.

by Carlos E. R.

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi, I had been transferring some files to my Android phone. I had umounted the folders, but left the phone connected and charging. When I attempted to hibernate the machine, it refused. It went through the motions, then aborted. There was no message anywhere saying why hibernation aborted. There was no hint in "/var/log/pm-suspend.log". I suddenly thought of unplugging the cell phone, and hibernation worked. I have now been looking at /var/log/messages, and noticed this (the "<=====" below): <0.7> 2014-01-24 19:10:17 Telcontar kernel - - - [ 3419.043132] PM: Marking nosave pages: [mem 0x0009f000-0x000fffff] <0.7> 2014-01-24 19:10:17 Telcontar kernel - - - [ 3419.043137] PM: Marking nosave pages: [mem 0xbff90000-0xffffffff] <0.7> 2014-01-24 19:10:17 Telcontar kernel - - - [ 3419.043740] PM: Basic memory bitmaps created <0.4> 2014-01-24 19:10:25 Telcontar kernel - - - [ 3419.529807] Syncing filesystems ... done. <0.4> 2014-01-24 19:10:25 Telcontar kernel - - - [ 3419.936886] Freezing user space processes ... (elapsed 0.01 seconds) done. <0.6> 2014-01-24 19:10:25 Telcontar kernel - - - [ 3419.949245] PM: Preallocating image memory... done (allocated 791872 pages) <0.6> 2014-01-24 19:10:25 Telcontar kernel - - - [ 3420.233032] PM: Allocated 3167488 kbytes in 0.28 seconds (11312.45 MB/s) <0.4> 2014-01-24 19:10:25 Telcontar kernel - - - [ 3420.233067] Freezing remaining freezable tasks ... (elapsed 0.01 seconds) done. <0.4> 2014-01-24 19:10:25 Telcontar kernel - - - [ 3420.244431] Suspending console(s) (use no_console_suspend to debug) <0.5> 2014-01-24 19:10:25 Telcontar kernel - - - [ 3420.244497] sd 12:0:0:1: [sdg] Synchronizing SCSI cache <0.5> 2014-01-24 19:10:25 Telcontar kernel - - - [ 3420.244512] sd 12:0:0:0: [sdf] Synchronizing SCSI cache <0.5> 2014-01-24 19:10:25 Telcontar kernel - - - [ 3420.244703] sd 9:0:1:0: [sde] Synchronizing SCSI cache <0.5> 2014-01-24 19:10:25 Telcontar kernel - - - [ 3420.244706] sd 9:0:0:0: [sdd] Synchronizing SCSI cache <0.5> 2014-01-24 19:10:25 Telcontar kernel - - - [ 3420.244725] sd 8:0:1:0: [sdc] Synchronizing SCSI cache <0.5> 2014-01-24 19:10:25 Telcontar kernel - - - [ 3420.244736] sd 8:0:0:0: [sdb] Synchronizing SCSI cache <0.5> 2014-01-24 19:10:25 Telcontar kernel - - - [ 3420.245022] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] Synchronizing SCSI cache <0.6> 2014-01-24 19:10:25 Telcontar kernel - - - [ 3420.245255] i8042 kbd 00:08: wake-up capability enabled by ACPI <0.6> 2014-01-24 19:10:25 Telcontar kernel - - - [ 3420.245576] serial 00:06: disabled <0.6> 2014-01-24 19:10:25 Telcontar kernel - - - [ 3420.246051] nouveau [ DRM] suspending fbcon... <0.6> 2014-01-24 19:10:25 Telcontar kernel - - - [ 3420.246055] nouveau [ DRM] suspending display... <0.7> 2014-01-24 19:10:25 Telcontar kernel - - - [ 3420.247049] ACPI handle has no context! <0.6> 2014-01-24 19:10:25 Telcontar kernel - - - [ 3420.249019] sd 12:0:0:1: [sdg] <0.4> 2014-01-24 19:10:25 Telcontar kernel - - - [ 3420.249020] Result: hostbyte=DID_OK driverbyte=DRIVER_SENSE <0.6> 2014-01-24 19:10:25 Telcontar kernel - - - [ 3420.249021] sd 12:0:0:1: [sdg] <0.4> 2014-01-24 19:10:25 Telcontar kernel - - - [ 3420.249022] Sense Key : Not Ready [current] <0.6> 2014-01-24 19:10:25 Telcontar kernel - - - [ 3420.249023] sd 12:0:0:1: [sdg] <0.4> 2014-01-24 19:10:25 Telcontar kernel - - - [ 3420.249025] Add. Sense: Medium not present <0.3> 2014-01-24 19:10:25 Telcontar kernel - - - [ 3420.249032] dpm_run_callback(): scsi_bus_freeze+0x0/0x20 returns -5 <===== <0.3> 2014-01-24 19:10:25 Telcontar kernel - - - [ 3420.249033] PM: Device 12:0:0:1 failed to freeze async: error -5 <0.6> 2014-01-24 19:10:25 Telcontar kernel - - - [ 3420.249186] sd 12:0:0:0: [sdf] <0.4> 2014-01-24 19:10:25 Telcontar kernel - - - [ 3420.249187] Result: hostbyte=DID_OK driverbyte=DRIVER_SENSE <0.6> 2014-01-24 19:10:25 Telcontar kernel - - - [ 3420.249188] sd 12:0:0:0: [sdf] <0.4> 2014-01-24 19:10:25 Telcontar kernel - - - [ 3420.249189] Sense Key : Not Ready [current] <0.6> 2014-01-24 19:10:25 Telcontar kernel - - - [ 3420.249190] sd 12:0:0:0: [sdf] <0.4> 2014-01-24 19:10:25 Telcontar kernel - - - [ 3420.249193] Add. Sense: Medium not present <0.3> 2014-01-24 19:10:25 Telcontar kernel - - - [ 3420.249201] dpm_run_callback(): scsi_bus_freeze+0x0/0x20 returns -5 <0.3> 2014-01-24 19:10:25 Telcontar kernel - - - [ 3420.249203] PM: Device 12:0:0:0 failed to freeze async: error -5 <0.6> 2014-01-24 19:10:25 Telcontar kernel - - - [ 3420.308062] nouveau [ DRM] unpinning framebuffer(s)... <0.6> 2014-01-24 19:10:25 Telcontar kernel - - - [ 3420.308091] nouveau [ DRM] evicting buffers... <0.6> 2014-01-24 19:10:25 Telcontar kernel - - - [ 3420.452991] nouveau [ DRM] suspending client object trees... <0.7> 2014-01-24 19:10:25 Telcontar kernel - - - [ 3422.152329] uhci_hcd 0000:00:1a.0: setting latency timer to 64 <0.4> 2014-01-24 19:10:25 Telcontar kernel - - - [ 3422.152350] usb usb3: root hub lost power or was reset <0.7> 2014-01-24 19:10:25 Telcontar kernel - - - [ 3422.152360] uhci_hcd 0000:00:1a.1: setting latency timer to 64 <0.4> 2014-01-24 19:10:25 Telcontar kernel - - - [ 3422.152378] usb usb4: root hub lost power or was reset <0.7> 2014-01-24 19:10:25 Telcontar kernel - - - [ 3422.152386] uhci_hcd 0000:00:1a.2: setting latency timer to 64 <0.4> 2014-01-24 19:10:25 Telcontar kernel - - - [ 3422.152403] usb usb5: root hub lost power or was reset <0.7> 2014-01-24 19:10:25 Telcontar kernel - - - [ 3422.152420] uhci_hcd 0000:00:1d.0: setting latency timer to 64 <0.4> 2014-01-24 19:10:25 Telcontar kernel - - - [ 3422.152437] usb usb6: root hub lost power or was reset <0.7> 2014-01-24 19:10:25 Telcontar kernel - - - [ 3422.152445] uhci_hcd 0000:00:1d.1: setting latency timer to 64 <0.4> 2014-01-24 19:10:25 Telcontar kernel - - - [ 3422.152463] usb usb7: root hub lost power or was reset <0.7> 2014-01-24 19:10:25 Telcontar kernel - - - [ 3422.152471] uhci_hcd 0000:00:1d.2: setting latency timer to 64 <0.4> 2014-01-24 19:10:25 Telcontar kernel - - - [ 3422.152489] usb usb8: root hub lost power or was reset <0.7> 2014-01-24 19:10:25 Telcontar kernel - - - [ 3422.152498] ehci_hcd 0000:00:1d.7: setting latency timer to 64 <0.4> 2014-01-24 19:10:25 Telcontar kernel - - - [ 3422.152514] usb usb2: root hub lost power or was reset <0.7> 2014-01-24 19:10:25 Telcontar kernel - - - [ 3422.152641] ata_piix 0000:00:1f.2: setting latency timer to 64 <0.7> 2014-01-24 19:10:25 Telcontar kernel - - - [ 3422.152694] ata_piix 0000:00:1f.5: setting latency timer to 64 <0.6> 2014-01-24 19:10:25 Telcontar kernel - - - [ 3422.152696] nouveau [ DRM] re-enabling device... <0.6> 2014-01-24 19:10:25 Telcontar kernel - - - [ 3422.152718] nouveau [ DRM] resuming client object trees... <0.6> 2014-01-24 19:10:25 Telcontar kernel - - - [ 3422.152726] nouveau [ VBIOS][0000:01:00.0] running init tables <0.7> 2014-01-24 19:10:25 Telcontar kernel - - - [ 3422.152853] pata_jmicron 0000:04:00.1: setting latency timer to 64 <0.7> 2014-01-24 19:10:25 Telcontar kernel - - - [ 3422.152960] pata_jmicron 0000:05:00.1: setting latency timer to 64 <0.6> 2014-01-24 19:10:25 Telcontar kernel - - - [ 3422.156180] serial 00:06: activated <0.6> 2014-01-24 19:10:25 Telcontar kernel - - - [ 3422.156226] i8042 kbd 00:08: wake-up capability disabled by ACPI <0.7> 2014-01-24 19:10:25 Telcontar kernel - - - [ 3422.156411] ehci_hcd 0000:00:1d.7: cache line size of 32 is not supported <0.6> 2014-01-24 19:10:25 Telcontar kernel - - - [ 3422.165282] r8169 0000:06:00.0 eth0: link down <0.6> 2014-01-24 19:10:25 Telcontar kernel - - - [ 3422.165529] r8169 0000:07:00.0 eth1: link down sdg and sdf were the devices assigned to the phone. Was the phone doing something to impede hibernation, is this to be expected, or is this a bug? - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 12.3 x86_64 "Dartmouth" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlLi1lsACgkQtTMYHG2NR9VjcACdH19df0MDlZ4xuMquSKlMmLxw QCsAoIcUUBGnQPbCgzHyDJ0DiL7ynfTr =4ahO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner(a)opensuse.org

8 years, 5 months

[opensuse] Re: [opensuse-factory] Re: service ntp

by James Knott

Carlos E. R. wrote: > That is more complicated than the old sysconfig method in YaST. No > manual reading was required. It even seems less configurable (users to > skip). > > I have seen several posts referring people to documentation about how to > configure tmp dir clearing, the old sysconfig way - which of course, > does not work. The variables in "/etc/sysconfig/cron" still exist, and > there is no mention in the config files that they do not work. So people > try them. I have noticed there have been several changes, over the past couple of years, that break things but are not mentioned. As you mentioned, the new method is often inferior to the old. Then we get to problems that have come in with 12.x, some of which are still with us. For example, I now experiences periods of a few minutes, where my disk drive is very busy and the computer is unresponsive to keyboard and mouse. There's also XDMCP which last worked with 11.4. I don't have a problem with change, provided it actually improves something. It's shouldn't break anything, unless well document with the new procedure. Change because someone thinks something is "cool" cannot be justified, when it all too often causes more problems than it supposedly fixes. Last I checked, Dovecot and Apparmor, is but one example of something that remains broken. Lets not forget, many people use openSUSE in a business environment, where things breaking is not acceptable. If it ain't broke, don't fix it! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner(a)opensuse.org

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