Torsdag 23 november 2006 18:23 skrev Olav Pettershagen:

I can understand that you may have to download the extra "language CD" with the downloadable version of openSUSE but not including it in the box makes very little sense to me.

The reason why many people (me included) buy a box in stead of downloading ISO's is low bandwidth (apart from the convenience of course). It would be very disappointing to buy the openSuse box and then discover that you still had to download an add-on CD if you want a localized version.

I hope you are wrong about this.

I hope so too, but I don't think so. I asked on IRC why there were only yast-translations for tier2 on the dvd5 of rc1, the answer was that translations had been removed from dvd5 because there were no room for tier2 translations on dvd9, and to avoid paying customers having a worse product than the mooching downloaders, translations were thus removed from dvd5 too. I'd very much like to know which packages are so much more important than the translations. Since the dvd5 is now only 3,4 gigs. Besides 64-bit OOo was dropped, so the dvd9 will only have one set of OOo packages, you would think that dvd9 should have plenty of space to include the x86, x86_64 and noarch packages from the dvd5s, and then some. But obviously something a lot more important than our translations must be on the dvd9, even though cd and dvd5 does fine without it, whatever it is. I don't get it, at all. Martin --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-translation+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-translation+help@opensuse.org

Op dinsdag 28 november 2006 20:28, schreef Andreas Jaeger:

We've added now the following tier 2 languages to the CDs (!) and DVD5: Danish, polish, hungarian, dutch, finish, cambodian, norwegian.

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We've added now the following tier 2 languages to

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DVD5: Danish, polish, hungarian, dutch, finish, cambodian, norwegian.

This is very good news :-) Thanks!

Can't say the same on behalf of the (one-man) Ukrainian translation team. :( Regards, Ivan Petrouchtchak ____________________________________________________________________________________ Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/r-index --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-translation+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-translation+help@opensuse.org

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We've added now the following tier 2 languages to

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DVD5: Danish, polish, hungarian, dutch, finish, cambodian, norwegian.

This is very good news :-) Thanks!

Can't say the same on behalf of the (one-man) Ukrainian translation team. :(

Sorry, the space just did not fit - you did a great job and we seek great ideas for 10.3. You can - and that's an improvement from 10.1 - download our language add-on to get the missing pieces.

I just installed 10.2 rc1 and Language Add-on CD does not contain Ukrainian KDE translation package kde-i18n-uk. Could someone look into it and fix it. Or should I just file a bug report? Thank you, Ivan Petrouchtchak ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-translation+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-translation+help@opensuse.org

IIP writes:

So kde3-i18n-uk will only be available on the FTP repositories (the ones you can enable during the second part of installation). => Added kde3-i18n-uk and aspell-uk for 10.3 ---------------------------------

This is completely unacceptable. It even further crippled the Ukrainian translation of the openSUSE 10.2

Yes, that's not the most userfriendly solution, but in the end users will be able to conquer such issues. Downloading two additional packages will hopefully be acceptable for any user. During the 10.2 lifetime some more downloads are probably required because of bug fixes or other enhancements. We should try our best to document it as good as possible. -- Karl Eichwalder R&D / Documentation SUSE Linux Products GmbH GPG: 1024D/06EB882E B2A3 AF2F CFC8 40B1 67EA 475A 5903 A21B 06EB 882E --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-translation+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-translation+help@opensuse.org

Tirsdag 12 december 2006 20:14 skrev Nikolay Derkach:

Please could someone explain, why only translations with >= 98% translated messages were included? I mean from where have you taken this number? Furthermore why have you counted yast and lcn translated messages (not kde or OOo) to make a decision about inclusion this or that tier-2 language in the dvd?

There was limited space for additional languages, and AJ was put under pressure by openSUSE translators who were very disappointed by the unexpected regression wrt. inclusion of tier2 languages on dvd5 from b2 -> rc1. I was personally among them. I believe the decision was mainly meant to be a kind of reward for the more active translators. Here are AJs own words: http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-translation/2006-11/msg00076.html --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-translation+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-translation+help@opensuse.org

Nikolay Derkach writes:

Andreas,

Why only 98%-translated languages were included? Not 96% or maybe 90%. And how

We only have limited space on the media and I had to make a cut somewhere. Therefore I made this 98 % role - a subjective role but one that could be easily verified.

depends the status of kde, gnome, etc translations on yast ones? So if kde translations are excelent and yast ones are not fine - kde translations are not included. I suppose it's unfairly relative to other translation teams. So

My thinking was that if we have translators that translates YaST and SUSE files so much, then we have enough users for that language.

if there were some technical difficulties in inclusion translations on dvd5, I think I would be justly to put all the tier-2 languages on the addon cd.

Other translation teams complained because of only putting all languages on the addon CD... Yes, you can always improve this - and we need a better solution for 10.3! I'm open for new suggestions! Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, aj@suse.de, http://www.suse.de/~aj/ SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126

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THANKS! :) kalman

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We've added now the following tier 2 languages to the CDs (!) and DVD5: Danish, polish, hungarian, dutch, finish, cambodian, norwegian. Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, aj@suse.de, http://www.suse.de/~aj/ SUSE Linux Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126

I think the aim for 10.3 should be to have all languages on dvd9 and dvd5 + to have cd7 in the box... or maybe do a special edition of the box with cd7 for distribution in tier2-countries.

i think making two separate edition is much higher cost than simply add one more CD. kalman --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-translation+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-translation+help@opensuse.org

wadim dziedzic writes:

Dnia 2006-11-23 16:24, Użytkownik Martin Schlander napisał:

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PS. How does one instruct zen-updater to use a different language? I have installed the Danish packages in the Language filter in YaST, but zen-updater remains English.

This is a bug - the .pot files of zen-updater from svn we translated are obsolete. The original, english strings are different from the ones from .pot, so our translations just don't work. :-/

See: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=220264 and https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=220296

Are you sure? I just added the new translations to zen-updater, so try the next factory packages... Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, aj@suse.de, http://www.suse.de/~aj/ SUSE Linux Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126

FYI: It's translated in some language now that looks Danish for me if I start with "LC_ALL=da_DK zen-updater",

The pot file from zen-updater sources (pot file creation 23.10.) has 188 strings, the pot file from our repository has only 171 strings. The pot file in out repository is really out-of-date :-(. But the older pot file should work for main menu strings. If you have a problem with your own po->mo file integration, it can be because of very strange translation using in the zen-updater. -- Klara --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-translation+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-translation+help@opensuse.org