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Ladislav Michnovič

11 Mar 2008 11 Mar '08

13:25

On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 2:03 PM, Stephan Kulow wrote:

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Am Dienstag 11 März 2008 schrieb Ladislav Michnovič:

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Hello.

Will there be yast2 entries split off from the huge update-desktop-files po file? This will help to have Yast2 translated and don't miss few of Yast entries because update-desktop-files is so huge and thus mainly untranslated.

Why you think yast is more important than the other applications in the file?

I don't think it's less important, but if you have one po file with 7562 strings where are approx. 3000 untranslated or fuzzy no one wants to pick up and translate all of the strings, neither even touch it. And I would have rather fully translated entries in YaST2 control center than other entries in KDE/GNOME menu. What do you think users will appreciate more? Regards Ladislav.

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Carlos E. R.

11 Mar 11 Mar

16:08

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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Content-ID: The Tuesday 2008-03-11 at 14:25 +0100, Ladislav Michnovič wrote:

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On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 2:03 PM, Stephan Kulow <> wrote:

I didn't see that reply on the list. :-?

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Will there be yast2 entries split off from the huge update-desktop-files po file? This will help to have Yast2 translated and don't miss few of Yast entries because update-desktop-files is so huge and thus mainly untranslated.

Yes, please!

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Why you think yast is more important than the other applications in the file?

It certainly is more important. Very much so! When we translated the Yast branch we expected yast to display everything is Spanish, but this ws not so. We were told that some messages where placed instead in update-desktop-files. So I translated that lonnnnnng file, and after the patch was made and published, I learnt that the translations in update-desktop-files were not to be applied. That was a dissapointment after a month of work. So, yes, we are very interested in having the yast part separated, and posibly moved to the Yast branch. Yast is the single most visible program of Opensuse, and the most important of all. The rest of the messages I don't think are important. After all, lots of them are left in English, anyway...

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I don't think it's less important, but if you have one po file with 7562 strings where are approx. 3000 untranslated or fuzzy no one wants to pick up and translate all of the strings, neither even touch it. And I would have rather fully translated entries in YaST2 control center than other entries in KDE/GNOME menu. What do you think users will appreciate more?

I think the same. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFH1q6QtTMYHG2NR9URArgjAJ0egi5RPcHNZG6uY36aWQhvI0flawCeOMJJ SByv05g6U/JYpBbGGL3zL7k= =d4U7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Ladislav Michnovič

12 Mar 12 Mar

09:48

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It's filed as Bug 369657 . Regards Ladislav. On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 5:08 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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The Tuesday 2008-03-11 at 14:25 +0100, Ladislav Michnovič wrote:

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On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 2:03 PM, Stephan Kulow <> wrote:

I didn't see that reply on the list. :-?

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Will there be yast2 entries split off from the huge update-desktop-files po file? This will help to have Yast2 translated and don't miss few of Yast entries because update-desktop-files is so huge and thus mainly untranslated.

Yes, please!

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Why you think yast is more important than the other applications in the file?

It certainly is more important. Very much so!

When we translated the Yast branch we expected yast to display everything is Spanish, but this ws not so. We were told that some messages where placed instead in update-desktop-files.

So I translated that lonnnnnng file, and after the patch was made and published, I learnt that the translations in update-desktop-files were not to be applied. That was a dissapointment after a month of work.

So, yes, we are very interested in having the yast part separated, and posibly moved to the Yast branch. Yast is the single most visible program of Opensuse, and the most important of all.

The rest of the messages I don't think are important. After all, lots of them are left in English, anyway...

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I don't think it's less important, but if you have one po file with 7562 strings where are approx. 3000 untranslated or fuzzy no one wants to pick up and translate all of the strings, neither even touch it. And I would have rather fully translated entries in YaST2 control center than other entries in KDE/GNOME menu. What do you think users will appreciate more?

I think the same.

- -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux)

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Carlos E. R.

10:11

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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Wednesday 2008-03-12 at 10:48 +0100, Ladislav Michnovič wrote:

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It's filed as Bug 369657 .

Me too added. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFH16xKtTMYHG2NR9URAp5gAJ9qWmUVn+anS0zofPWUi4tVeohHxACeNSPO tmZLhge+gGe4n4j0v6yLLN0= =qvuV -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Karl Eichwalder

13 Mar 13 Mar

17:02

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"Ladislav Michnovič" writes:

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It's filed as Bug 369657 .

coolo already wrote lcn/50-tools/lcn-split-update-desktop-files.sh . Maybe, someone wants to play with it and tell us about it. But please, for the moment, do not submit to SVN results of it. Cheers, Karl -- Karl Eichwalder R&D / Documentation SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nuernberg) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-translation+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-translation+help@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R.

15 Mar 15 Mar

01:45

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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Thursday 2008-03-13 at 18:02 +0100, Karl Eichwalder wrote:

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coolo already wrote lcn/50-tools/lcn-split-update-desktop-files.sh . Maybe, someone wants to play with it and tell us about it. But please, for the moment, do not submit to SVN results of it.

Ok, I did a test. I commented out from the script the "split_chars" part, and added a few calls to also create the .po files. It appears to work alright: #split_chars 50-pot/update-desktop-files.pot #rm 50-pot/update-desktop-files.pot # #split_chars 50-pot/update-desktop-files-apps.pot #rm 50-pot/update-desktop-files-apps.pot split_out es/po/update-desktop-files.es.po es/po/update-desktop-files-yast.es.po "applications/YaST2" split_out es/po/update-desktop-files.es.po es/po/update-desktop-files-directories.es.po "desktop-directories" split_out es/po/update-desktop-files.es.po es/po/update-desktop-files-apps.es.po "/share/applications/" split_out es/po/update-desktop-files.es.po es/po/update-desktop-files-kde3data.es.po "/opt/kde3/share/apps/" split_out es/po/update-desktop-files.es.po es/po/update-desktop-files-mimelnk.es.po share/mimelnk I still haven't looked inside the files with kbabel, but they should be quite manageable. And the sizes seem correct: 381167 50-pot/update-desktop-files-apps.pot 21957 50-pot/update-desktop-files-directories.pot 106282 50-pot/update-desktop-files-kde3data.pot 56961 50-pot/update-desktop-files-mimelnk.pot 29160 50-pot/update-desktop-files-yast.pot 568392 50-pot/update-desktop-files.pot 434908 es/po/update-desktop-files-apps.es.po 24369 es/po/update-desktop-files-directories.es.po 124547 es/po/update-desktop-files-kde3data.es.po 67610 es/po/update-desktop-files-mimelnk.es.po 44944 es/po/update-desktop-files-yast.es.po 691062 es/po/update-desktop-files.es.po cer@nimrodel:~/Projects/babel/SuSE/trunk/lcn> for FF in `ls es/po/update-desktop-files*es.po` ; do echo $FF ; msgfmt --check --stat $FF ; echo ; done es/po/update-desktop-files-apps.es.po 2101 translated messages, 159 fuzzy translations, 232 untranslated messages. es/po/update-desktop-files-directories.es.po 149 translated messages. es/po/update-desktop-files-kde3data.es.po 612 translated messages, 10 fuzzy translations, 43 untranslated messages. es/po/update-desktop-files-mimelnk.es.po 428 translated messages. es/po/update-desktop-files-yast.es.po 210 translated messages, 15 fuzzy translations, 1 untranslated message. es/po/update-desktop-files.es.po 3523 translated messages, 66 fuzzy translations, 31 untranslated messages. 50-pot/update-desktop-files-apps.pot 2497 messages. 50-pot/update-desktop-files-directories.pot 149 messages. 50-pot/update-desktop-files-kde3data.pot 667 messages. 50-pot/update-desktop-files-mimelnk.pot 428 messages. 50-pot/update-desktop-files-yast.pot 217 messages. 50-pot/update-desktop-files.pot 3622 messages. I will have a look with kbabel tomorrow, I think. But in order to go ahead, if everybody agrees, I suppose you have to do the change on your side. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFH2ypCtTMYHG2NR9URApKJAJ0ZY/an0miL1NDUMuyBBGJf6rz9pQCeNV5L tQV85mzGxpiUopkNiN+HHCM= =jAV9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-translation+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-translation+help@opensuse.org

Karl Eichwalder

16 Mar 16 Mar

08:49

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"Carlos E. R." writes:

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Ok, I did a test.

Thanks for checking!

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I commented out from the script the "split_chars" part, and added a few calls to also create the .po files. It appears to work alright:

I do not want to run the script on the PO files. I'd rather use the old and big update-desktop-files.LL.po as a compendium (translation memory) for initializing the new update-desktop-files.LL.po. I think I can work on this the next days. -- Karl Eichwalder R&D / Documentation SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nuernberg) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-translation+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-translation+help@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R.

10:39

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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Sunday 2008-03-16 at 09:49 +0100, Karl Eichwalder wrote:

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"Carlos E. R." writes:

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Ok, I did a test.

Thanks for checking!

Welcome. :-)

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I commented out from the script the "split_chars" part, and added a few calls to also create the .po files. It appears to work alright:

I do not want to run the script on the PO files. I'd rather use the old and big update-desktop-files.LL.po as a compendium (translation memory) for initializing the new update-desktop-files.LL.po.

Why, wouldn't the .po files be reliable? I suppose a update-po phase would clean out messages not related to the corresponding .pot file, and the memory method will leave us with 7000 fuzzy messages to review.

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I think I can work on this the next days.

Ok - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFH3Pj9tTMYHG2NR9URAtc/AJ9I4oo1N+5Iq0UYAYUZaLix91+ovACfQVvS YLHkVGjD6xgKIpJQHU8BnJM= =ZHr5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-translation+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-translation+help@opensuse.org

Ladislav Michnovič

17 Mar 17 Mar

11:00

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On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 11:39 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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The Sunday 2008-03-16 at 09:49 +0100, Karl Eichwalder wrote:

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"Carlos E. R." writes:

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Ok, I did a test.

Thanks for checking!

Welcome. :-)

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I commented out from the script the "split_chars" part, and added a few calls to also create the .po files. It appears to work alright:

I do not want to run the script on the PO files. I'd rather use the old and big update-desktop-files.LL.po as a compendium (translation memory) for initializing the new update-desktop-files.LL.po.

Why, wouldn't the .po files be reliable? I suppose a update-po phase would clean out messages not related to the corresponding .pot file, and the memory method will leave us with 7000 fuzzy messages to review.

I agree. Making probably all messages fuzzy wouldn't be a good idea. Please use rather po file instead. Regards Ladislav.

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I think I can work on this the next days.

Ok

- -- Cheers, Carlos E. R.

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Karl Eichwalder

18 Mar 18 Mar

16:34

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"Ladislav Michnovič" writes:

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I agree. Making probably all messages fuzzy wouldn't be a good idea.

This would not happen :)

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Please use rather po file instead.

Probably, that's also fine. Unfortunately, because of the "insidious" check script installed on the server, we are not able to upload split update-desktop-files.LL.po ;-( We first must update the check script... -- Karl Eichwalder R&D / Documentation SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nuernberg) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-translation+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-translation+help@opensuse.org

Stephan Kulow

16:28

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Am Sonntag 16 März 2008 schrieb Carlos E. R.:

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Why, wouldn't the .po files be reliable? I suppose a update-po phase would clean out messages not related to the corresponding .pot file, and the memory method will leave us with 7000 fuzzy messages to review.

I would have finished this yesterday, but was blocked by the gettext on the server not knowing msgctx and only allowing "update-desktop-files.po" to be an exception. So we need to wait for the admins to replace gettext ;( Greetings, Stephan -- SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-translation+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-translation+help@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R.

22:19

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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Tuesday 2008-03-18 at 17:28 +0100, Stephan Kulow wrote:

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Am Sonntag 16 März 2008 schrieb Carlos E. R.:

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Why, wouldn't the .po files be reliable? I suppose a update-po phase would clean out messages not related to the corresponding .pot file, and the memory method will leave us with 7000 fuzzy messages to review.

I would have finished this yesterday, but was blocked by the gettext on the server not knowing msgctx and only allowing "update-desktop-files.po" to be an exception. So we need to wait for the admins to replace gettext ;(

There is no hurry :-) - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFH4D/vtTMYHG2NR9URApimAKCVqT4ZAchaiXGm8OxZnQpw93IEZgCePrb+ rTMpd+0FvDs8xBNQr+XIzis= =0p5n -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Stephan Kulow

1 Apr 1 Apr

20:50

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Am Dienstag, 18. März 2008 schrieb Stephan Kulow:

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Am Sonntag 16 März 2008 schrieb Carlos E. R.:

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Why, wouldn't the .po files be reliable? I suppose a update-po phase would clean out messages not related to the corresponding .pot file, and the memory method will leave us with 7000 fuzzy messages to review.

I would have finished this yesterday, but was blocked by the gettext on the server not knowing msgctx and only allowing "update-desktop-files.po" to be an exception. So we need to wait for the admins to replace gettext ;(

It took its time, but it's in SVN now Greetings, Stephan --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-translation+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-translation+help@opensuse.org

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