Hello, have You ever tried to install openSUSE to computer with already installed Windows and use YaST automatic division of hard disc (accepting defaults)? Although I do not have Windows, I have seen it on several computers and I was not satisfied. Proposed solutions are very strange and complicated. For example I had an older computer with 2 windows hard discs (one big FAT partition on each), YaST tried to shrink both discs and create 4 partitions (swap, /, /home, /usr), on my friend's laptop it tried to delete both Windows partitions (disc was divided to Windows system a data), but aim was to install whole openSUSE instead of only one Windows partition (dualboot). Is it only my sense or do You have similar experience with automatic disc division during installation? More over I still have sense that installation from Live CD is even more strange in this way... I use expert mode and it is OK, but for "an average user" it is very confusing. I know people understanding basics of disc partitioning, but not understanding YaST's proposals... Have a nice day, Vojtěch Zeisek
On Sunday 27 September 2009 03:43:47 Vojtěch Zeisek wrote: ...
Although I do not have Windows, I have seen it on several computers and I was not satisfied. Proposed solutions are very strange and complicated. ... Is it only my sense or do You have similar experience with automatic disc division during installation?
I already complained on such behavior, with more details about existing partitions, their sizes and comments on proposal. That is needed to catch exactly what is strange in Installer workflow. It actually works fine for current computer setups that have only one default windows installation, even if that is not trivial one, like 1st partition to boot and keep backup copy of software currently installed, or older with such backup partition at the end, but outside of that we go into gray zone where more questions has to be asked, specially if it is discovered that user has some Linux on computer, or additional hard disks.
More over I still have sense that installation from Live CD is even more strange in this way...
It should be the same installer. I don't think that there are 2 different versions, one for DVD and one for LiveCD.
I use expert mode and it is OK, but for "an average user" it is very confusing. I know people understanding basics of disc partitioning, but not understanding YaST's proposals...
The basic problem is that Installer (YaST Partitioner) is trying to guess too much without knowing user wishes, or having very elaborate workflow for different existing setups. Asking too many questions is not a goal when user is not experienced, but asking nothing and going with sole goal to win as much space as possible without damaging main windows installation is not good either. Taking example with 2 windows disks. I can have data disk that I don't want to be touched, no matter how small space is left for openSUSE. If space is only 5 GB then create single partition, but warn user right away, during installation, that burning DVD is not possible with so little space. It is just for basic office work, nothing else that requires handling large files. If space is 10 GB then still one partition without warning, but make sure that temp directory is emptied often. If space is 20 GB then allow 2 partitions, / and /home, and so on. -- Regards, Rajko -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-testing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-testing+help@opensuse.org
Op 27-09-09 13:54, Rajko M. schreef:
The basic problem is that Installer (YaST Partitioner) is trying to guess too much without knowing user wishes, or having very elaborate workflow for different existing setups.
I have *never* ever had a proposel that was right.. And i think that the main reason is that the previous mountpoints are ignored at that point. Because they are never based on any of them. In expert mode import of different mountpoints (if they exist offcourse), which is imo the only way to get oS installed how and where someone wants..
Asking too many questions is not a goal when user is not experienced, but asking nothing and going with sole goal to win as much space as possible without damaging main windows installation is not good either.
No, the auto-proposels are very wrong indeed.
Taking example with 2 windows disks. I can have data disk that I don't want to be touched, no matter how small space is left for openSUSE. If space is only 5 GB then create single partition, but warn user right away, during installation, that burning DVD is not possible with so little space. It is just for basic office work, nothing else that requires handling large files. If space is 10 GB then still one partition without warning, but make sure that temp directory is emptied often. If space is 20 GB then allow 2 partitions, / and /home, and so on.
That would be possible to implement, the way it sounds to me.. -- Enjoy your time around, Oddball (M9.) (Now or never...) OS: Linux 2.6.31-8-desktop x86_64 Huidige gebruiker: oddball@AMD64x2-SFN1 Systeem: openSUSE 11.2 Milestone 7 (x86_64) KDE: 4.3.1 (KDE 4.3.1) "release 2" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-testing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-testing+help@opensuse.org
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