Hello, Am Samstag, 15. Juli 2006 14:07 schrieb Henne Vogelsang:

On Saturday, July 15, 2006 at 00:57:41, Christian Boltz wrote:

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### upwards navigation ###

I see a problem with (missing) upwards navigation on some pages.

http://lists4.opensuse.org/opensuse/2006-07/msg00000.html has "List Navigation" - "Overview". Good.

http://lists4.opensuse.org/opensuse/ hasn't a "List Navigation" menu.

What would you navigate? You mean you want some "Top of the Page" link here too?

Maybe this would be useful when lists have a longer history (like the suse-* lists). It won't do any harm on "young" lists, so simply add it everywhere ;-) But I mainly meant this:

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-> I'd propose a "all mailinglists" link in the left column

Ah you mean i should reimplement the back button of your browser? ;)

More the "upwards" button (which I only found in Konqueror, many other browsers don't have it). BTW: The "upwards" link is totally different from the browser's back button - think about people coming from Google...

You can even use the logo which always has ../ as link. I can put all lists in there no problem the index pages are cgi's...

A simple "all mailinglists" link would do, linked to "/". Yes, this is the same as clicking the logo does, but it's more consistent and easier to recognice. I edited the page a bit to show how it should look like IMHO - screenshot on http://www.cboltz.de/tmp/opensuse-navigation.png (did I already mention that the Web Developer Toolbar is great? ;-) (Please do _not_ add a list of all mailinglists to the sidebar - it will probably do more harm than good.)

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### prev / next navigation

http://lists4.opensuse.org/opensuse/2006-07/msg00000.html http://lists4.opensuse.org/opensuse/2006-07/threads.html have "Previous" and "Next" in the top and bottom line, but since there's no previous or next page, the links are disabled. -> I'd propose to hide "Previous" and "Next" in this case

I can either hide _all_ inactive "buttons" or none. Keep in mind these are not staitc web-pages but generated by some archive script (mhonarc).

Which incactive buttons would be affected beside the prev/next? Alternative way, maybe even better: change the font color to grey to make it looking disabled. I just played a bit with lists.css and added the following: .bodynav td { color:#999; } IMHO this would be a good solution ;-) Screenshot available on http://www.cboltz.de/tmp/opensuse-text-disabled.png Another small issue: Why is the Subject on message view (http://lists4.opensuse.org/opensuse-test/2006-07/msg00000.html) a self-referring link? I don't see why this could be useful, please use normal text (no link) there. One more: the Thread index and message view have a header Mailinglist Archive: opensuse (149 mails) This number obviously is about the selected month only - it should be marked as such, like Mailinglist Archive: opensuse (2006-07, 149 mails) Since I am a bit off-topic here (this thread is about navigation), I'll post another mail about printing the archive in some minutes ;-)

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That said: Henne, it's quite difficult to find problems - you did a really good job ;-)

Thanks. It wasnt all just me. Frank Sundermeyer did the layout mostly!

Then he also did a really good job ;-) Regards, Christian Boltz -- ich programmiere eigentlich in C++. Das erklärt meinen stümperhaften Versuch eine Sicherheitsaufgabe durch ein Sicherheitsproblem zu überwachen :-) [Lothar Behrens in suse-linux]