I have been bombarded with requests to abandon TW and use Leap. Well, I have installed it on a drive in another computer, and it seems quite familiar, but now I have to populate it with apps that I use and like. The first, of course, is Thunderbird. Is that hiding in some repo that I don't know how to access, or must I find it in the wild and bring it home to roost?
Someone said I should keep a diary--I don't disagree, but any approach to a diary for me is bassed on being able to print to paper and punch the paper and put it in a binder. Note the word "print!" As an example of what I don't have printed out, I think someone here told me how to access all the built-in repos. I will need that right away so as to install as much as possible from natively stored versions of the apps I want to use, before going to the wild.
I will, of course, refer to section 7 of the Leap "manual" to try harder to install the printers, but just trying cold- turkey yields nothing. Can't find a printer. Both are turned on.
As it seems there are no upgrades for Leap, how do I install Artha? Zypper can't find it.
--doug
On 2020-09-22 6:56 p.m., Doug McGarrett wrote:
I have been bombarded with requests to abandon TW and use Leap. Well, I have installed it on a drive in another computer, and it seems quite familiar, but now I have to populate it with apps that I use and like. The first, of course, is Thunderbird. Is that hiding in some repo that I don't know how to access, or must I find it in the wild and bring it home to roost?
It's in the main repository, package name MozillaThunderbird.
The easiest way to find packages you need is to use the search function in YaST
On 9/22/20 10:19 PM, Darryl Gregorash wrote:
On 2020-09-22 6:56 p.m., Doug McGarrett wrote:
/snip/
Wanted to find Thunderbird--with Darryl help, found and installed it, and am using it right now.
It's in the main repository, package name MozillaThunderbird.
The easiest way to find packages you need is to use the search function in YaST
That worked once. I found and installed KFind. Tried to "find" another app, and was stymied by
a program called ruby.ruby. Was told I need to close it. I didn't open it, and I don't know what it does.
Tried killall on the pid number provided, but nothing happened. (This happened to me on TW also.)
--doug
* Doug McGarrett dmcgarrett@optonline.net [09-22-20 23:56]:
On 9/22/20 10:19 PM, Darryl Gregorash wrote:
On 2020-09-22 6:56 p.m., Doug McGarrett wrote:
/snip/
Wanted to find Thunderbird--with Darryl help, found and installed it, and am using it right now.
It's in the main repository, package name MozillaThunderbird.
The easiest way to find packages you need is to use the search function in YaST
That worked once. I found and installed KFind. Tried to "find" another app, and was stymied by
a program called ruby.ruby. Was told I need to close it. I didn't open it, and I don't know what it does.
What part of Daryyl's instruction, "The easiest way to find packages you need is to use the search function in YaST", did you not understand?
Tried killall on the pid number provided, but nothing happened. (This happened to me on TW also.)
perhaps you should quit using a computer.
On 9/22/20 11:59 PM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
- Doug McGarrett dmcgarrett@optonline.net [09-22-20 23:56]:
On 9/22/20 10:19 PM, Darryl Gregorash wrote:
On 2020-09-22 6:56 p.m., Doug McGarrett wrote:
/snip/
Wanted to find Thunderbird--with Darryl help, found and installed it, and am using it right now.
It's in the main repository, package name MozillaThunderbird.
The easiest way to find packages you need is to use the search function in YaST
That worked once. I found and installed KFind. Tried to "find" another app, and was stymied by
a program called ruby.ruby. Was told I need to close it. I didn't open it, and I don't know what it does.
What part of Daryyl's instruction, "The easiest way to find packages you need is to use the search function in YaST", did you not understand?
Tried killall on the pid number provided, but nothing happened. (This happened to me on TW also.)
perhaps you should quit using a computer.
You're probably right. I'll be 83 in a couple of weeks. I should just lay down and die.
--doug
* Doug McGarrett dmcgarrett@optonline.net [09-23-20 02:21]:
On 9/22/20 11:59 PM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
- Doug McGarrett dmcgarrett@optonline.net [09-22-20 23:56]:
On 9/22/20 10:19 PM, Darryl Gregorash wrote:
On 2020-09-22 6:56 p.m., Doug McGarrett wrote:
/snip/
Wanted to find Thunderbird--with Darryl help, found and installed it, and am using it right now.
It's in the main repository, package name MozillaThunderbird.
The easiest way to find packages you need is to use the search function in YaST
That worked once. I found and installed KFind. Tried to "find" another app, and was stymied by
a program called ruby.ruby. Was told I need to close it. I didn't open it, and I don't know what it does.
What part of Daryyl's instruction, "The easiest way to find packages you need is to use the search function in YaST", did you not understand?
Tried killall on the pid number provided, but nothing happened. (This happened to me on TW also.)
perhaps you should quit using a computer.
You're probably right. I'll be 83 in a couple of weeks. I should just lay down and die.
no, but waste your time on endeavours where you are more capable.
your failure to foloow instructions is not endearing you to anyone. patience is a fickle thread and the stone is very hard.
Am 23.09.20 um 08:20 schrieb Doug McGarrett:
On 9/22/20 11:59 PM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
- Doug McGarrett dmcgarrett@optonline.net [09-22-20 23:56]:
On 9/22/20 10:19 PM, Darryl Gregorash wrote:
On 2020-09-22 6:56 p.m., Doug McGarrett wrote:
/snip/
Wanted to find Thunderbird--with Darryl help, found and installed it, and am using it right now.
It's in the main repository, package name MozillaThunderbird.
The easiest way to find packages you need is to use the search function in YaST
That worked once. I found and installed KFind. Tried to "find" another app, and was stymied by
a program called ruby.ruby. Was told I need to close it. I didn't open it, and I don't know what it does.
What part of Daryyl's instruction, "The easiest way to find packages you need is to use the search function in YaST", did you not understand?
Tried killall on the pid number provided, but nothing happened. (This happened to me on TW also.)
perhaps you should quit using a computer.
You're probably right. I'll be 83 in a couple of weeks. I should just lay down and die.
--doug
83 and started with opensuse, wow!!
doug there are a lot of solutions inside the web for "linux" for (your) problems. !!BUT!! a lot of them are older, a lot of them are for other distributions, and a lot of them are for console (text / black and white screen) these things are often "more or less" similar if the instructions are not to old for many linux distributions. PLEASE DO NOT USE THEM IF YOU NOT EXACTLY know what you do. as i was following some of your problems, you have up to now NOT the knowledge to use this kind of solutions.
try to learn to use the "on board" tools of opensuse. especially "YAST2" its a wonderful tool. you are able to install and remove "all" software you want inside yast. and do much more things in all the yast modules. no need to hack in some special commands inside the terminal. (if you belong to leap)
see the mail from carlos with the search functon inside yast-softwaremanagement. if you REALLY need some special software not provided with a new install of opensuse and the automatically installed repository's ask FIRST this list. do not install from a source you found somewhere. as more repos you install as more problem could be. AND ask here for a graphical solution. i think this is the way you should go. at the moment i think only the packman repos are needed additional for opensuse. how to do, ask here (there are somewhere without them you are not able to play all the audio or video files you found across the web.
simoN
On 9/22/20 11:54 PM, Doug McGarrett wrote:
On 9/22/20 10:19 PM, Darryl Gregorash wrote:
On 2020-09-22 6:56 p.m., Doug McGarrett wrote:
/snip/
Wanted to find Thunderbird--with Darryl help, found and installed it, and am using it right now.
It's in the main repository, package name MozillaThunderbird.
The easiest way to find packages you need is to use the search function in YaST
That worked once. I found and installed KFind. Tried to "find" another app, and was stymied by
a program called ruby.ruby. Was told I need to close it. I didn't open it, and I don't know what it does.
Tried killall on the pid number provided, but nothing happened. (This happened to me on TW also.)
--doug
Replying to myself! Found the bunny trail to get the search function working again and installed a
number of apps. One thing I can't seem to get working: getting rid of what T-Bird calls paragraph mode. Well, look at that. It actually single spaced this line. I must be hexed! --doug
On 23/09/2020 05.54, Doug McGarrett wrote:
On 9/22/20 10:19 PM, Darryl Gregorash wrote:
On 2020-09-22 6:56 p.m., Doug McGarrett wrote:
/snip/
Wanted to find Thunderbird--with Darryl help, found and installed it, and am using it right now.
It's in the main repository, package name MozillaThunderbird.
The easiest way to find packages you need is to use the search function in YaST
That worked once. I found and installed KFind. Tried to "find" another app, and was stymied by
No Doug, no. Use the "search" function inside the YaST program. "Software management" module.
See the attached photo.
Hi Doug,
On Tue, 2020-09-22 at 23:54 -0400, Doug McGarrett wrote:
On 9/22/20 10:19 PM, Darryl Gregorash wrote:
The easiest way to find packages you need is to use the search function in YaST
That worked once. I found and installed KFind. Tried to "find" another app, and was stymied by
a program called ruby.ruby. Was told I need to close it. I didn't open it, and I don't know what it does.
Yeah, that's a pretty cryptic message that it displays. Anytime the YaST2 Software Management Module complains that it being "blocked by ruby.ruby2.X" when it is launched, what it means is that there is already another instance of YaST2 software management window open. Perhaps you didn't already close the previous YaST2 window you launched ? I opened a bug here: https://github.com/yast/yast-yast2/issues/1102, to improve that message. In most cases you don't need to "kill" anything, just close that other YaST2 window that is open and hit "Retry" on this one.
Cheers,
On 9/23/20 11:04 AM, Atri Bhattacharya wrote:
Hi Doug,
On Tue, 2020-09-22 at 23:54 -0400, Doug McGarrett wrote:
On 9/22/20 10:19 PM, Darryl Gregorash wrote:
The easiest way to find packages you need is to use the search function in YaST
That worked once. I found and installed KFind. Tried to "find" another app, and was stymied by
a program called ruby.ruby. Was told I need to close it. I didn't open it, and I don't know what it does.
Yeah, that's a pretty cryptic message that it displays. Anytime the YaST2 Software Management Module complains that it being "blocked by ruby.ruby2.X" when it is launched, what it means is that there is already another instance of YaST2 software management window open. Perhaps you didn't already close the previous YaST2 window you launched ? I opened a bug here: https://github.com/yast/yast-yast2/issues/1102, to improve that message. In most cases you don't need to "kill" anything, just close that other YaST2 window that is open and hit "Retry" on this one.
Cheers,
Finally a letter that didn't tell me I'm too old/stupid/etc. to use Linux. Thank you! --doug
* Doug McGarrett dmcgarrett@optonline.net [09-23-20 16:42]:
On 9/23/20 11:04 AM, Atri Bhattacharya wrote:
Hi Doug,
On Tue, 2020-09-22 at 23:54 -0400, Doug McGarrett wrote:
On 9/22/20 10:19 PM, Darryl Gregorash wrote:
The easiest way to find packages you need is to use the search function in YaST
That worked once. I found and installed KFind. Tried to "find" another app, and was stymied by
a program called ruby.ruby. Was told I need to close it. I didn't open it, and I don't know what it does.
Yeah, that's a pretty cryptic message that it displays. Anytime the YaST2 Software Management Module complains that it being "blocked by ruby.ruby2.X" when it is launched, what it means is that there is already another instance of YaST2 software management window open. Perhaps you didn't already close the previous YaST2 window you launched ? I opened a bug here: https://github.com/yast/yast-yast2/issues/1102, to improve that message. In most cases you don't need to "kill" anything, just close that other YaST2 window that is open and hit "Retry" on this one.
Cheers,
Finally a letter that didn't tell me I'm too old/stupid/etc. to use Linux.
no one has been telling you that. You have failed to follow instruction or have failed to understand the instructions and applied incorrectly attempts to accomplish things in manners that no one understands.
On 9/23/20 5:08 PM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
- Doug McGarrett dmcgarrett@optonline.net [09-23-20 16:42]:
On 9/23/20 11:04 AM, Atri Bhattacharya wrote:
Hi Doug,
On Tue, 2020-09-22 at 23:54 -0400, Doug McGarrett wrote:
On 9/22/20 10:19 PM, Darryl Gregorash wrote:
The easiest way to find packages you need is to use the search function in YaST
That worked once. I found and installed KFind. Tried to "find" another app, and was stymied by
a program called ruby.ruby. Was told I need to close it. I didn't open it, and I don't know what it does.
Yeah, that's a pretty cryptic message that it displays. Anytime the YaST2 Software Management Module complains that it being "blocked by ruby.ruby2.X" when it is launched, what it means is that there is already another instance of YaST2 software management window open. Perhaps you didn't already close the previous YaST2 window you launched ? I opened a bug here: https://github.com/yast/yast-yast2/issues/1102, to improve that message. In most cases you don't need to "kill" anything, just close that other YaST2 window that is open and hit "Retry" on this one.
Cheers,
Finally a letter that didn't tell me I'm too old/stupid/etc. to use Linux.
no one has been telling you that. You have failed to follow instruction or have failed to understand the instructions and applied incorrectly attempts to accomplish things in manners that no one understands.
I have not deliberately failed to follow instructions. Most probably one of two things-- I did not understand the instructions--and I don't know why--or perhaps my best fofrm of instructions is printed on paper, and that's the main thing I have been trying to do here: get the instructions on paper so I can refer to them as required. When something is in an email, it is transient. No, I don't mean I erase it--it just gets lost in the jumble of emails that come in, mainly from those on the open-suse lists, but some from others folks, and also the usual spam. I use Linux probably for many of the same reasons you folks do: I don't like to put on the Windows strait-jacket--for years it was impossible to avoid the double-click!--try and become an administrator--every year or two they change the code to do so--try and format a flash drive: if it was ever used for a Linux program, forget it! Want to use a writing program? Use Microsoft Word and pay them a fee every year. Pay, pay, pay for software that frequently doesn't do what you expected, but you've already paid for it. There is only one software program that I have ever paid for in Linux: Software Office. An excellent Word Processor, which is probably the most serious app that's most used by me--and I have to save the output in Word format so the rest of the world can read it! (It also has a spread sheet and an app that makes presentation slides. I sometimes get a schedule in spread-sheet format, so it's nice that I can read it without paying MS to let me.) Oh, BTW, there;s now a free version of this software. Why do I use this paid routine instead of Libre Office? For one thing, Libre can throw in some funny black blobs in the middle of your downloaded copy when you go to print it out. For another, it seems to like multi pages on screen at once. No thanx, Libre. So what I need to do here--and btw, I don't see any actual simplification in Leap--I now have it loaded and set up just about the same as TW, with the same printing and (probably) scanning problems--is get the damned printers and scanner to work and I will be a quiet little church mouse until I can actually *contribute* something useful to the crew.
Apologies for this long diatribe. I intend to stay with OS--the TW version, since I don't see any real difference in Leap except the lack of ability to update the system without revamping the whole thing every year or so. The problem I have run up against is the same in both systems. It occurs to me, btw, that the instructions on screen have been written by programmers who already know what they are trying to convey; it's like they are speaking to guys like me in a dialect I'm not completely familiar with.
I appreciate all the attempts to help. I hope it will come to a successful conclusion shortly and I will be out your hair. --doug
On Wed, 23 Sep 2020 19:17:08 -0400 Doug McGarrett dmcgarrett@optonline.net wrote:
I have not deliberately failed to follow instructions. Most probably one of two things--
With some notable and noble exceptions most of the regulars here are sadists without a life who love watching the uninitiated writhing in agony :)
But that fact doesn't change the underlying dilemma; namely, that computing is today where automobiles were at the turn of the LAST century when roads were mud, the manufacturers lied through their yellow teeth and every mechanic was a crook.
It's a paradigm mountain that we either climb or become roadkill for the vultures of this world, need we name any. We all face the same hurdle with more or less success, brace yourself for the hits and don't take them personally, if you want a printed list print one.
On 24/09/2020 01.17, Doug McGarrett wrote:
...
I have not deliberately failed to follow instructions. Most probably one of two things-- I did not understand the instructions--and I don't know why--or perhaps my best fofrm of instructions is printed on paper, and that's the main thing I have been trying to do here: get the instructions on paper so I can refer to them as required. When something is in an email, it is transient. No, I don't mean I erase it--it just gets lost in the jumble of emails that come in, mainly from those on the open-suse lists, but some from others folks, and also the usual spam.
Well, please find the way to sort your email properly, because it is tiring for us to concoct a detailed answer to your problems and see that you appear to not even read it!
I posted an email with photo of what you have to do to search for a package with YaST, so please find that email and do it!
And others have told you how to install that Epson printer, so go, find those emails and install the printer!
I also receive hundreds of emails a day, yet I can see those emails in half a second. Just using the same thing as you, Thunderbird.
Am 24.09.20 um 01:17 schrieb Doug McGarrett:
... Software Office. An excellent Word Processor, which is probably the most serious app that's most used by me--and I have to save the output in Word format so the rest of the world can read it! ...
If it is about stuff "the rest ot the world can read" you can "print to PDF" which everybody else also can read electronically.
This is the format I store the mails I want to keep.
Peter
On 9/23/20 7:17 PM, Doug McGarrett wrote:
On 9/23/20 5:08 PM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
- Doug McGarrett dmcgarrett@optonline.net [09-23-20 16:42]:
On 9/23/20 11:04 AM, Atri Bhattacharya wrote:
Hi Doug,
On Tue, 2020-09-22 at 23:54 -0400, Doug McGarrett wrote:
On 9/22/20 10:19 PM, Darryl Gregorash wrote:
The easiest way to find packages you need is to use the search function in YaST
That worked once. I found and installed KFind. Tried to "find" another app, and was stymied by
a program called ruby.ruby. Was told I need to close it. I didn't open it, and I don't know what it does.
Yeah, that's a pretty cryptic message that it displays. Anytime the YaST2 Software Management Module complains that it being "blocked by ruby.ruby2.X" when it is launched, what it means is that there is already another instance of YaST2 software management window open. Perhaps you didn't already close the previous YaST2 window you launched ? I opened a bug here: https://github.com/yast/yast-yast2/issues/1102, to improve that message. In most cases you don't need to "kill" anything, just close that other YaST2 window that is open and hit "Retry" on this one.
Cheers,
Finally a letter that didn't tell me I'm too old/stupid/etc. to use Linux.
no one has been telling you that. You have failed to follow instruction or have failed to understand the instructions and applied incorrectly attempts to accomplish things in manners that no one understands.
I have not deliberately failed to follow instructions. Most probably one of two things-- I did not understand the instructions--and I don't know why--or perhaps my best fofrm of instructions is printed on paper, and that's the main thing I have been trying to do here: get the instructions on paper so I can refer to them as required. When something is in an email, it is transient. No, I don't mean I erase it--it just gets lost in the jumble of emails that come in, mainly from those on the open-suse lists, but some from others folks, and also the usual spam. I use Linux probably for many of the same reasons you folks do: I don't like to put on the Windows strait-jacket--for years it was impossible to avoid the double-click!--try and become an administrator--every year or two they change the code to do so--try and format a flash drive: if it was ever used for a Linux program, forget it! Want to use a writing program? Use Microsoft Word and pay them a fee every year. Pay, pay, pay for software that frequently doesn't do what you expected, but you've already paid for it. There is only one software program that I have ever paid for in Linux: Software Office. An excellent Word Processor, which is probably the most serious app that's most used by me--and I have to save the output in Word format so the rest of the world can read it! (It also has a spread sheet and an app that makes presentation slides. I sometimes get a schedule in spread-sheet format, so it's nice that I can read it without paying MS to let me.) Oh, BTW, there;s now a free version of this software. Why do I use this paid routine instead of Libre Office? For one thing, Libre can throw in some funny black blobs in the middle of your downloaded copy when you go to print it out. For another, it seems to like multi pages on screen at once. No thanx, Libre. So what I need to do here--and btw, I don't see any actual simplification in Leap--I now have it loaded and set up just about the same as TW, with the same printing and (probably) scanning problems--is get the damned printers and scanner to work and I will be a quiet little church mouse until I can actually *contribute* something useful to the crew.
Apologies for this long diatribe. I intend to stay with OS--the TW version, since I don't see any real difference in Leap except the lack of ability to update the system without revamping the whole thing every year or so. The problem I have run up against is the same in both systems. It occurs to me, btw, that the instructions on screen have been written by programmers who already know what they are trying to convey; it's like they are speaking to guys like me in a dialect I'm not completely familiar with.
I appreciate all the attempts to help. I hope it will come to a successful conclusion shortly and I will be out your hair. --doug
Fwiw . . . A lot of your questions seem to be end-user oriented about a particular application, e.g., IIRC you've had a couple issues with Thunderbird. While there is a chance someone here will know the answer from his/her experience, you'll typically do better by doing what most of us do: Search for the answer where support is provided for the app (in this example, the Mozilla site) or use a search engine like google where you very likely will see your problem and probably the solution found by another user. The focus of the list is more the operating system itself.
Additionally, it's helpful to note that the Forums are often the better alternative when it comes to typical end-user questions. That's a main reason the Forums exist. New users frequently share some of the same issues, e.g., with booting or using YaST or setting up hardware (like your printer problem, for which the solution was provided a month ago). The Forums see these types of issues repeatedly, and folks there are prepared (within reason) to invest the time needed to shepherd a user. Often there is already a solution, which can be found using the Search function. The Forums also provide a gui visual structure that captures the entire problem/solution discussion in a thread, easier for the user than an email thread. All that can save a lot of time for everyone, for the user in the present and in the future for other users.
Something to consider.
--dg
On 23/09/2020 22.40, Doug McGarrett wrote:
On 9/23/20 11:04 AM, Atri Bhattacharya wrote:
Hi Doug,
On Tue, 2020-09-22 at 23:54 -0400, Doug McGarrett wrote:
On 9/22/20 10:19 PM, Darryl Gregorash wrote:
The easiest way to find packages you need is to use the search function in YaST
That worked once. I found and installed KFind. Tried to "find" another app, and was stymied by
a program called ruby.ruby. Was told I need to close it. I didn't open it, and I don't know what it does.
Yeah, that's a pretty cryptic message that it displays. Anytime the YaST2 Software Management Module complains that it being "blocked by ruby.ruby2.X" when it is launched, what it means is that there is already another instance of YaST2 software management window open. Perhaps you didn't already close the previous YaST2 window you launched ? I opened a bug here: https://github.com/yast/yast-yast2/issues/1102, to improve that message. In most cases you don't need to "kill" anything, just close that other YaST2 window that is open and hit "Retry" on this one.
Cheers,
Finally a letter that didn't tell me I'm too old/stupid/etc. to use Linux. Thank you!
Please read all the posts, because there are several posts with advice and instructions, and not calling you old or stupid.
On Tue, 2020-09-22 at 20:56 -0400, Doug McGarrett wrote:
I have been bombarded with requests to abandon TW and use Leap. Well, I have installed it on a drive in another computer, and it seems quite familiar, but now I have to populate it with apps that I use and like. The first, of course, is Thunderbird. Is that hiding in some repo that I don't know how to access, or must I find it in the wild and bring it home to roost?
I would agree that Leap is probably better choice for you as well as many of us. It should provide you with more stable experience as well as very good documentation to follow and learn from.
Unfortunately - there is no obvious link to excellent Leap documentation from the opensuse.org - so, you will either have to remember it, google it up or follow one of these links to find it.
Start Up Guide: https://doc.opensuse.org/documentation/leap/startup/single-html/book.op ensuse.startup/index.html#sec-yast-install-online-repos
Chapter 10 discusses Installing or Removing Software - including how to find software packages and common repositories.
When you master it, or when you need help on more advanced topics - you should be able to learn about them in the full documentation:
I find the documentation pretty complete and very helpful.
Hope it helps, Tomas
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