On 11/18/20 8:51 PM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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Two or three times recently--as recent as this afternoon--a whole batch of apps, the icons of which live in the panel, or systray, have piled up at the left-hand side. They don't overlap, but they are all directly to the right of the normal (what I consider normal) icons, which are the smiling ball, desktop1, system settings, YaST, Konsole terminal, and Kate. All the other icons --15, plus the time/date, have moved to the left. What is causing this, and how can I make it stop? (I have moved them back a couple of times, but they no longer stay put.) System is OS-TW, up to date as per 1114. (I think it also occurred before this update.) just mouse click on the desktop and the "icons" will go back to where they

* Doug McGarrett [11-18-20 20:35]: previously were. you do have the icon locations locked....

That's the first I heard of locking the icon locations, so naturally I do not have them locked. How does one accomplish that? In the meantime, mouse-clicking on the panel does nothing. Sounds like this has happened to others? --doug

On 2020-11-19 11:11, gumb wrote:

You don't mention which desktop environment you are using. But assuming, since you mention Konsole and Kate, you are on Plasma Desktop, you have probably removed either a spacer or the Task Manager from the panel.

Right-click on the clock on the panel and click 'Edit Panel...'. If you don't already have the Task Manager installed, go to 'Add Widgets' and install it. Otherwise, click on the 'Add Spacer' item, and then drag the new item using its positioning handles to place it to the left of your System Tray. Then close the Configure Desktop thing at the top of the screen using the cross.

Don't think it's that. It's part of task manager. Can't put spacer there. I've also got three/four icons on the left depending what I do. They're not favorites, recent apps or such. Just a few icons to the left in the task-manager (4.0 I believe) that is visible if I don't run one of them. If I close the running one it reappears to the left in task manager. And there seems to be nothing in task manager settings to get rid of it. picture of them: https://susepaste.org/37fc23fc ref. https://userbase.kde.org/Plasma/Tasks -- /bengan

On 19/11/2020 15.46, Bengt Gördén wrote:

On 2020-11-19 11:11, gumb wrote:

Don't think it's that. It's part of task manager. Can't put spacer there.

I've also got three/four icons on the left depending what I do. They're not favorites, recent apps or such. Just a few icons to the left in the task-manager (4.0 I believe) that is visible if I don't run one of them. If I close the running one it reappears to the left in task manager. And there seems to be nothing in task manager settings to get rid of it.

picture of them: https://susepaste.org/37fc23fc

I have something that is visually the same thing in XFCE. They are not running apps, but apps that can be run, probably often. Rather applets. There is a vertical separator from the reset of the panel bar. XFCE calls them "buttons". https://susepaste.org/90404356 -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.1 x86_64 at Telcontar)

On 2020-11-19 18:46, Bengt Gördén wrote:

I can't add programs. Only "unpin" the programs that are there.

Sorry for replaying to my self. I _can_ pin other programs to left side if I right click the programs in the task manager (those that are running) -- /bengan

On Thursday, 19 November 2020 17:49:22 GMT Bengt Gördén wrote:

On 2020-11-19 18:46, Bengt Gördén wrote:

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I can't add programs. Only "unpin" the programs that are there.

Sorry for replaying to my self. I _can_ pin other programs to left side if I right click the programs in the task manager (those that are running)

Pin is something different to what i'm doing. Could you previously add programs to and delete from the left panel and that's stopped working? Or are the programs being added to the panel of running tasks? (ignore if i've misunderstood the problem) This is what i do to add to the left panel. Add program to panel. From the Application Menu, find a program I want to add to the left panel and right click the program name instead of running the program, this brings up pop-up menu. https://susepaste.org/6639428 Delete from panel. Right click on the left panel and select "Edit Panel" then mouse over the icons and you get the following. https://susepaste.org/25963791

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On 2020-11-19 19:30, Ianseeks wrote:

Pin is something different to what i'm doing. Could you previously add programs to and delete from the left panel and that's stopped working? Or are the programs being added to the panel of running tasks?

I can add programs to panel widget, but not remove them. The 4 first seems to have been automatically added. They just turned up after last zypper dup. https://susepaste.org/7719c8b1 It's some Swedish there but nothing that removes the program from widget.

(ignore if i've misunderstood the problem)

No. I misunderstood you. Thanks for the pointer. I'll upgrade my TW and hope there's been some progress :) -- /bengan

On 11/19/20 11:50 AM, Ianseeks wrote:

On Thursday, 19 November 2020 14:46:26 GMT Bengt Gördén wrote:

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On 2020-11-19 11:11, gumb wrote:

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You don't mention which desktop environment you are using. But assuming, since you mention Konsole and Kate, you are on Plasma Desktop, you have probably removed either a spacer or the Task Manager from the panel.

Right-click on the clock on the panel and click 'Edit Panel...'. If you don't already have the Task Manager installed, go to 'Add Widgets' and install it. Otherwise, click on the 'Add Spacer' item, and then drag the new item using its positioning handles to place it to the left of your System Tray. Then close the Configure Desktop thing at the top of the screen using the cross. Don't think it's that. It's part of task manager. Can't put spacer there.

I've also got three/four icons on the left depending what I do. They're not favorites, recent apps or such. Just a few icons to the left in the task-manager (4.0 I believe) that is visible if I don't run one of them. If I close the running one it reappears to the left in task manager. And there seems to be nothing in task manager settings to get rid of it.

picture of them: https://susepaste.org/37fc23fc I can add programs to this left hand panel by selecting "Add to Panel (Widget)" if i right click a program in the app menu. To remove them, you have to right click on the left panel area and select "Edit Panel" then click on the icon to get a mini menu that allows your to remove the widget.

I don't think this is called the task manager. It appears to me that some icons that (for some reason) cannot be shown on the desktop are relegated to the panel. In the past, and in other versions of KDE Plasma, these apps seem to always go to the right-hand end of the panel, with the clock at the extreme right, and other apps piled up just to the left of the clock. I'd like that behavior to remain that way, like it always has, up to now. (For reference, the grinning ball is at the left end, followed, in no particular order, by icons for System Settings, YaST, Konsole, and Kate. These can be moved among this group if desired, but always stay at the left end of the panel. There must be some code somewhere that tells the system how to do these things, and I suspect that it is corrupted or perhaps missing. Now as I understand it, the Task Manager is a device--a widget, I'm told--which shows on the panel an OPEN task, such as this Thunderbird in which I'm presently writing. Somehow while messing with the panel, I seem to have lost the Task Manager, since Thunderbird is NOT shown now, and if I start Firefox, that doesn't show either. I would like to get that back. (It may just be suppressed, and come back on reboot. I will try that and report back here.) I hope I have not made this incomprehensible!  --doug

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https://userbase.kde.org/Plasma/Tasks

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On 11/19/20 12:58 PM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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On 2020-11-19 17:50, Ianseeks wrote:

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I can add programs to this left hand panel by selecting "Add to Panel (Widget)"if i right click a program in the app menu. To remove them, you have to rightclick on the left panel area and select "Edit Panel" then click on the icon toget a mini menu that allows your to remove the widget.

I can't add programs. Only "unpin" the programs that are there.

https://susepaste.org/e2d70146

My TW version is 20201030. It might have something to do with that. Waiting with the update until python3-qt5-devel is fixed that was introduced in 20201114. Not sure if it's been but it might be since 20201117 is out.

* Bengt Gördén [11-19-20 12:47]: the work-a-round is: [re]move the directory /usr/share/sip/PyQt5 reinstall python3-qt5-devel

discussed on opensuse-factory. worked for me and several other who testified.

and I have not seen any update to the bug report #1178814

I'm afraid I don't understand your post. I do understand how to remove items from the panel by right clicking on the panel and making it editable. I have not found a definition of the series of items on the right-hand portion of the panel, which would remain there, along with the clock, but which are not remaining there at the right all the time in my system. Then there is apparently a task manager, separate from the things on either end of the panel, which puts an icon or more than one on the panel showing apps that you have open. These icons show up to the left of the permanent icons on the right-hand end of the panel. I think I have that correct. As far as I can tell, my original problem does not involve the task master, which is now missing! --doug

On 11/19/20 3:39 PM, Doug McGarrett wrote:

On 11/19/20 11:50 AM, Ianseeks wrote:

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/snip/ Don't think it's that. It's part of task manager. Can't put spacer

On 2020-11-19 11:11, gumb wrote: there.

I've also got three/four icons on the left depending what I do. They're not favorites, recent apps or such. Just a few icons to the left in the task-manager (4.0 I believe) that is visible if I don't run one of them. If I close the running one it reappears to the left in task manager. And there seems to be nothing in task manager settings to get rid of it.

picture of them: https://susepaste.org/37fc23fc I can add programs to this left hand panel by selecting "Add to Panel (Widget)" if i right click a program in the app menu.  To remove

On Thursday, 19 November 2020 14:46:26 GMT Bengt Gördén wrote: them, you have to right click on the left panel area and select "Edit Panel" then click on the icon to get a mini menu that allows your to remove the widget.

I don't think this is called the task manager. It appears to me that some icons that (for some reason) cannot be shown on the desktop are relegated to the panel. In the past, and in other versions of KDE Plasma, these apps seem to always go to the right-hand end of the panel, with the clock at the extreme right, and other apps piled up just to the left of the clock. I'd like that behavior to remain that way, like it always has, up to now. (For reference, the grinning ball is at the left end, followed, in no particular order, by icons for System Settings, YaST, Konsole, and Kate. These can be moved among this group if desired, but always stay at the left end of the panel. There must be some code somewhere that tells the system how to do these things, and I suspect that it is corrupted or perhaps missing.

Now as I understand it, the Task Manager is a device--a widget, I'm told--which shows on the panel an OPEN task, such as this Thunderbird in which I'm presently writing. Somehow while messing with the panel, I seem to have lost the Task Manager, since Thunderbird is NOT shown now, and if I start Firefox, that doesn't show either. I would like to get that back. (It may just be suppressed, and come back on reboot. I will try that and report back here.)

********************************** The task manager is gone.   --doug *********************************

I hope I have not made this incomprehensible!  --doug

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On Thursday, 19 November 2020 21:32:29 GMT Doug McGarrett wrote:

On 11/19/20 3:39 PM, Doug McGarrett wrote:

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Now as I understand it, the Task Manager is a device--a widget, I'm told--which shows on the panel an OPEN task, such as this Thunderbird in which I'm presently writing. Somehow while messing with the panel, I seem to have lost the Task Manager, since Thunderbird is NOT shown now, and if I start Firefox, that doesn't show either. I would like to get that back. (It may just be suppressed, and come back on reboot. I will try that and report back here.)

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The task manager is gone. --doug *********************************

There is a Task Manager widget you can add to the panel with "Add Widget"

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I hope I have not made this incomprehensible! --doug

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https://userbase.kde.org/Plasma/Tasks

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On 11/19/20 4:32 PM, Doug McGarrett wrote:

On 11/19/20 3:39 PM, Doug McGarrett wrote:

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On 11/19/20 11:50 AM, Ianseeks wrote:

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On Thursday, 19 November 2020 14:46:26 GMT Bengt Gördén wrote:

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/snip/ Don't think it's that. It's part of task manager. Can't put spacer

On 2020-11-19 11:11, gumb wrote: there.

I've also got three/four icons on the left depending what I do. They're not favorites, recent apps or such. Just a few icons to the left in the task-manager (4.0 I believe) that is visible if I don't run one of them. If I close the running one it reappears to the left in task manager. And there seems to be nothing in task manager settings to get rid of it.

picture of them: https://susepaste.org/37fc23fc I can add programs to this left hand panel by selecting "Add to Panel (Widget)" if i right click a program in the app menu.  To remove them, you have to right click on the left panel area and select "Edit Panel" then click on the icon to get a mini menu that allows your to remove the widget.

I don't think this is called the task manager. It appears to me that some icons that (for some reason) cannot be shown on the desktop are relegated to the panel. In the past, and in other versions of KDE Plasma, these apps seem to always go to the right-hand end of the panel, with the clock at the extreme right, and other apps piled up just to the left of the clock. I'd like that behavior to remain that way, like it always has, up to now. (For reference, the grinning ball is at the left end, followed, in no particular order, by icons for System Settings, YaST, Konsole, and Kate. These can be moved among this group if desired, but always stay at the left end of the panel. There must be some code somewhere that tells the system how to do these things, and I suspect that it is corrupted or perhaps missing.

Now as I understand it, the Task Manager is a device--a widget, I'm told--which shows on the panel an OPEN task, such as this Thunderbird in which I'm presently writing. Somehow while messing with the panel, I seem to have lost the Task Manager, since Thunderbird is NOT shown now, and if I start Firefox, that doesn't show either. I would like to get that back. (It may just be suppressed, and come back on reboot. I will try that and report back here.)

********************************** The task manager is gone.   --doug *********************************

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I hope I have not made this incomprehensible!  --doug

The task manager shows running apps.  It sits in/on the panel, typically in the center.  To add it back:  click corner icon, unlock widgets, add widgets, locate task manager in the list, drag to the panel.  Right-click on the task manager for pop-up window showing switches to control its behavior.  Click again on corner icon, lock widgets. This is not the same as adding favorites to the panel, which can be done by either (a) dragging from the apps menu to the panel, or (b) right-clicking on the app in the menu and clicking on add-to-panel. (The pic posted above shows app widgets in the panel, the task manager is showing the running apps to their right.) IIRC the default from the right end of the panel is the panel control icon, the clock, and then the system tray which is populated by dynamic widgets.  Right-click on the tray to control those. Fwiw, my panel left-to-right:  menu, app widgets, quick launcher, task manager, system tray, clock, trash. --dg

* Doug McGarrett [11-20-20 14:06]:

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On Thursday, 19 November 2020 20:09:36 GMT Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* Bengt Gördén [11-19-20 14:02]:

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On 2020-11-19 19:30, Ianseeks wrote:

/snip/ I've got the "'task manager" or what I believe is the task manager, back and working. The icons at the right hand end of the panel are back where they belong. AFAIK, they will still wander, but whatever causes that seems obscure. I was hoping for a simple cure, but AFAIK, the

On 11/20/20 3:17 AM, Ianseeks wrote: problem is not fixed, and I will have to either live with the items all piled up on the left, or move them back to the right whenever they decide to wander. Thank you all for your assistance. Consider this thread closed but not fixed.

except the "task manager" panel is not where the images are being displayed. and unless you follow the provided instructions, you *will* live the the "icons" "wandering". you are really displaying a disturbing lack of attention. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet freenode

On 23/01/2021 09.40, Ianseeks wrote:

On Friday, 20 November 2020 08:15:55 GMT Ianseeks wrote:

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On Thursday, 19 November 2020 21:32:29 GMT Doug McGarrett wrote:

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Good grief, my reply too 2 months to arrive back in my mailbox - maybe an isolated akonadi problem..

It arrived now to all people here :-P That is, it was sent today. Let me check the headers. First received header: Received: from sa-prd-rgout-005.btmx-prd.synchronoss.net ([10.2.38.8]), reported by sa-prd-fep-044.btinternet.com with ESMTP on Fri, 20 Nov 2020 08:15:57 +0000 Received: from sa-prd-fep-045.btinternet.com (mailomta17-sa.btinternet.com [213.120.69.23]), reported by mx1.opensuse.org (Postfix) Sat, 23 Jan 2021 03:52:48 +0000 (UTC) The problem was there. Ask the mail admins here if they can find out something, whether the problem was your ISP or opensuse.org's. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.2 x86_64 at Telcontar)

On 23/01/2021 13.27, Per Jessen wrote:

Carlos E. R. wrote:

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Received: from sa-prd-fep-045.btinternet.com (mailomta17-sa.btinternet.com [213.120.69.23]), reported by mx1.opensuse.org (Postfix) Sat, 23 Jan 2021 03:52:48 +0000 (UTC)

The problem was there. Ask the mail admins here if they can find out something, whether the problem was your ISP or opensuse.org's.

The Received header above says it quite clearly - that mail (msg-id 13168434.mpTnCnUKd3@lianli) was received from btinternet by mx1.o.o at 03:52 utc this morning.

The thing that causes me doubts this type of header is that I don't know if it could be that the receiving server refused it previously.

Maybe it was held up in customs, incomplete import papers :-)

:-D -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.2 x86_64 at Telcontar)

On 2021-01-23 13:41, Per Jessen wrote:

In this case, I don't see any bounces of any mails from Ian since 1 January.

This is probably from BT Copernicus project (transferring BTYahoo customers to BTMail system)). They have had problems large portion of 2020 and the mail system was up for an upgrade this January 2021. -- /bengan