tw/Leap Firefox printing issues

Ben T. Fender

7 Jan 2021 7 Jan '21

05:31

I have an HP M252 wifi printer, works mostly without issues except with Firefox lately, giving it a print job just gets the "Printing Document" on the printer screen but the job NEVER completes. any suggestions?

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Axel Braun

7 Jan 7 Jan

08:24

Hello Ben, Am Donnerstag, 7. Januar 2021, 06:31:52 CET schrieb Ben T. Fender:

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I have an HP M252 wifi printer, works mostly without issues except with Firefox

lately, giving it a print job just gets the "Printing Document" on the printer screen but the job NEVER completes.

We have recently seen some PDF that are not completely supported by poppler. That might be the case. A good point to start the investigation what is going wrong is https://en.opensuse.org/SDB:How_to_Report_a_Printing_Issue and in special https://en.opensuse.org/ SDB:How_to_Report_a_Printing_Issue#Get_what_the_application_submits_to_CUPS HTH Axel

Ben T. Fender

11 Jan 11 Jan

02:29

On Thu, 7 Jan 2021 00:31:52 -0500 "Ben T. Fender" wrote:

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I have an HP M252 wifi printer, works mostly without issues except with Firefox

lately, giving it a print job just gets the "Printing Document" on the printer screen but the job NEVER completes.

any suggestions?

FF takes 3-4 minutes to compose a single page with a few images in it. THAT's the problem, I can print the pages one by one. For a dozen page document (at 70%) that would mean 45 minutes but I have seen the process simply fall to pieces instead. The stored images in the page are hi-res constrained down to a few hunded pixels for web speed but I think that the printing 70% conversion routine works with the original images and not the ones already constrained (something like this).

Peter McD

07:54

Am 11.01.21 um 03:29 schrieb Ben T. Fender:

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On Thu, 7 Jan 2021 00:31:52 -0500 "Ben T. Fender" wrote:

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I have an HP M252 wifi printer, works mostly without issues except with Firefox

lately, giving it a print job just gets the "Printing Document" on the printer screen but the job NEVER completes.

any suggestions?

FF takes 3-4 minutes to compose a single page with a few images in it. THAT's the problem, I can print the pages one by one. For a dozen page document (at 70%) that would mean 45 minutes but I have seen the process simply fall to pieces instead. The stored images in the page are hi-res constrained down to a few hunded pixels for web speed but I think that the printing 70% conversion routine works with the original images and not the ones already constrained (something like this).

What about exporting it to pdf and printing it from pdf? Peter

Peter McD

08:02

Am 11.01.21 um 08:54 schrieb Peter McD:

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Am 11.01.21 um 03:29 schrieb Ben T. Fender:

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On Thu, 7 Jan 2021 00:31:52 -0500 "Ben T. Fender" wrote:

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I have an HP M252 wifi printer, works mostly without issues except with Firefox

lately, giving it a print job just gets the "Printing Document" on the printer screen but the job NEVER completes.

any suggestions?

FF takes 3-4 minutes to compose a single page with a few images in it. THAT's the problem, I can print the pages one by one. For a dozen page document (at 70%) that would mean 45 minutes but I have seen the process simply fall to pieces instead. The stored images in the page are hi-res constrained down to a few hunded pixels for web speed but I think that the printing 70% conversion routine works with the original images and not the ones already constrained (something like this).

What about exporting it to pdf and printing it from pdf?

It should be: Print from Firefox to pdf Peter

Ben T. Fender

17:05

New subject: [partly solved] Re: tw/Leap Firefox printing issues

On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 09:02:31 +0100 Peter McD wrote:

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Am 11.01.21 um 08:54 schrieb Peter McD:

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Am 11.01.21 um 03:29 schrieb Ben T. Fender:

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On Thu, 7 Jan 2021 00:31:52 -0500 "Ben T. Fender" wrote:

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I have an HP M252 wifi printer, works mostly without issues except with Firefox

lately, giving it a print job just gets the "Printing Document" on the printer screen but the job NEVER completes.

any suggestions?

FF takes 3-4 minutes to compose a single page with a few images in it. THAT's the problem, I can print the pages one by one. For a dozen page document (at 70%) that would mean 45 minutes but I have seen the process simply fall to pieces instead. The stored images in the page are hi-res constrained down to a few hunded pixels for web speed but I think that the printing 70% conversion routine works with the original images and not the ones already constrained (something like this).

What about exporting it to pdf and printing it from pdf?

It should be: Print from Firefox to pdf

I did that, and then Okular could not print the pdf but Document-Viewer could. This is not a solution for me though, I don't wanna use pdf at all.

Carlos E. R.

19:28

New subject: [partly solved] Re: tw/Leap Firefox printing issues

On 11/01/2021 18.05, Ben T. Fender wrote:

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On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 09:02:31 +0100 Peter McD wrote:

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Am 11.01.21 um 08:54 schrieb Peter McD:

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Am 11.01.21 um 03:29 schrieb Ben T. Fender:

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On Thu, 7 Jan 2021 00:31:52 -0500 "Ben T. Fender" wrote:

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I have an HP M252 wifi printer, works mostly without issues except with Firefox

lately, giving it a print job just gets the "Printing Document" on the printer screen but the job NEVER completes.

any suggestions?

FF takes 3-4 minutes to compose a single page with a few images in it. THAT's the problem, I can print the pages one by one. For a dozen page document (at 70%) that would mean 45 minutes but I have seen the process simply fall to pieces instead. The stored images in the page are hi-res constrained down to a few hunded pixels for web speed but I think that the printing 70% conversion routine works with the original images and not the ones already constrained (something like this).

What about exporting it to pdf and printing it from pdf?

It should be: Print from Firefox to pdf

I did that, and then Okular could not print the pdf but Document-Viewer could. This is not a solution for me though, I don't wanna use pdf at all.

Well, even if you don't want to, the Linux print system uses PDF internally. Meaning, Firefox has to convert to PDF and sends that to the printer, behind the scenes. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.2 x86_64 at Telcontar)

J Leslie Turriff

12 Jan 12 Jan

02:11

New subject: [partly solved] Re: tw/Leap Firefox printing issues

On 2021-01-11 13:28:57 Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 11/01/2021 18.05, Ben T. Fender wrote:

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On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 09:02:31 +0100

Peter McD wrote:

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Am 11.01.21 um 08:54 schrieb Peter McD:

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Am 11.01.21 um 03:29 schrieb Ben T. Fender:

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On Thu, 7 Jan 2021 00:31:52 -0500

"Ben T. Fender" wrote:

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I have an HP M252 wifi printer, works mostly without issues except with Firefox

lately, giving it a print job just gets the "Printing Document" on the printer screen but the job NEVER completes.

any suggestions?

FF takes 3-4 minutes to compose a single page with a few images in it. THAT's the problem, I can print the pages one by one. For a dozen page document (at 70%) that would mean 45 minutes but I have seen the process simply fall to pieces instead. The stored images in the page are hi-res constrained down to a few hunded pixels for web speed but I think that the printing 70% conversion routine works with the original images and not the ones already constrained (something like this).

What about exporting it to pdf and printing it from pdf?

It should be: Print from Firefox to pdf

I did that, and then Okular could not print the pdf but Document-Viewer could. This is not a solution for me though, I don't wanna use pdf at all.

Well, even if you don't want to, the Linux print system uses PDF internally. Meaning, Firefox has to convert to PDF and sends that to the printer, behind the scenes.

I thought that PostScript is the fundamental output format. Leslie --

Carlos E. R.

04:14

New subject: [partly solved] Re: tw/Leap Firefox printing issues

On 12/01/2021 03.11, J Leslie Turriff wrote:

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On 2021-01-11 13:28:57 Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 11/01/2021 18.05, Ben T. Fender wrote:

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On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 09:02:31 +0100

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What about exporting it to pdf and printing it from pdf?

It should be: Print from Firefox to pdf

I did that, and then Okular could not print the pdf but Document-Viewer could. This is not a solution for me though, I don't wanna use pdf at all.

Well, even if you don't want to, the Linux print system uses PDF internally. Meaning, Firefox has to convert to PDF and sends that to the printer, behind the scenes.

I thought that PostScript is the fundamental output format.

Was. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.2 x86_64 at Telcontar)

Ben T. Fender

04:24

New subject: [partly solved] Re: tw/Leap Firefox printing issues

On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 05:14:40 +0100 "Carlos E. R." wrote:

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On 12/01/2021 03.11, J Leslie Turriff wrote:

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On 2021-01-11 13:28:57 Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 11/01/2021 18.05, Ben T. Fender wrote:

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On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 09:02:31 +0100

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What about exporting it to pdf and printing it from pdf?

It should be: Print from Firefox to pdf

I did that, and then Okular could not print the pdf but Document-Viewer could. This is not a solution for me though, I don't wanna use pdf at all.

Well, even if you don't want to, the Linux print system uses PDF internally. Meaning, Firefox has to convert to PDF and sends that to the printer, behind the scenes.

I thought that PostScript is the fundamental output format.

Was.

no proprietaryware should ever be a default part of Linux, neither explicitly nor implicitly my 2

Patrick Shanahan

05:10

New subject: [partly solved] Re: tw/Leap Firefox printing issues

* Ben T. Fender [01-11-21 23:26]:

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On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 05:14:40 +0100 "Carlos E. R." wrote:

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On 12/01/2021 03.11, J Leslie Turriff wrote:

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On 2021-01-11 13:28:57 Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 11/01/2021 18.05, Ben T. Fender wrote:

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On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 09:02:31 +0100

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> What about exporting it to pdf and printing it from pdf?

It should be: Print from Firefox to pdf

I did that, and then Okular could not print the pdf but Document-Viewer could. This is not a solution for me though, I don't wanna use pdf at all.

Well, even if you don't want to, the Linux print system uses PDF internally. Meaning, Firefox has to convert to PDF and sends that to the printer, behind the scenes.

I thought that PostScript is the fundamental output format.

Was.

no proprietaryware should ever be a default part of Linux, neither explicitly nor implicitly my 2

PDF stands for the Portable Document Format, used to display documents in an electronic form independent of the software, hardware or operating system they are viewed on. Originally developed by Adobe® Systems as a universally compatible file format based on the PostScript format, it has become an international de-facto standard for exchanging documents and information. In 2008, Adobe relinquished control of PDF development to the ISO (International Organization for Standardization) and by this PDF became an “open standard”. The specifications for the current PDF version (2.0) are documented under ISO 32000-2. ISO is also in charge of updating and developiqng future versions. 3¢ -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet freenode

Ben T. Fender

05:26

New subject: [partly solved] Re: tw/Leap Firefox printing issues

On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 00:10:46 -0500 Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* Ben T. Fender [01-11-21 23:26]:

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On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 05:14:40 +0100 "Carlos E. R." wrote:

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On 12/01/2021 03.11, J Leslie Turriff wrote:

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On 2021-01-11 13:28:57 Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 11/01/2021 18.05, Ben T. Fender wrote:

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On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 09:02:31 +0100

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>> What about exporting it to pdf and printing it from pdf? > > It should be: Print from Firefox to pdf

I did that, and then Okular could not print the pdf but Document-Viewer could. This is not a solution for me though, I don't wanna use pdf at all.

Well, even if you don't want to, the Linux print system uses PDF internally. Meaning, Firefox has to convert to PDF and sends that to the printer, behind the scenes.

I thought that PostScript is the fundamental output format.

Was.

no proprietaryware should ever be a default part of Linux, neither explicitly nor implicitly my 2

PDF stands for the Portable Document Format, used to display documents in an electronic form independent of the software, hardware or operating system they are viewed on. Originally developed by Adobe® Systems as a universally compatible file format based on the PostScript format, it has become an international de-facto standard for exchanging documents and information.

In 2008, Adobe relinquished control of PDF development to the ISO (International Organization for Standardization) and by this PDF became an “open standard”. The specifications for the current PDF version (2.0) are documented under ISO 32000-2. ISO is also in charge of updating and developiqng future versions.

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last time I looked writing pdf format required adobeware so I blacklisted it then

J Leslie Turriff

05:56

New subject: [partly solved] Re: tw/Leap Firefox printing issues

On 2021-01-11 23:26:29 Ben T. Fender wrote:

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On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 00:10:46 -0500

Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* Ben T. Fender [01-11-21 23:26]:

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On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 05:14:40 +0100

"Carlos E. R." wrote:

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On 12/01/2021 03.11, J Leslie Turriff wrote:

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On 2021-01-11 13:28:57 Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 11/01/2021 18.05, Ben T. Fender wrote: > On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 09:02:31 +0100

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>>> What about exporting it to pdf and printing it from pdf? >> >> It should be: Print from Firefox to pdf > > I did that, and then Okular could not print > the pdf but Document-Viewer could. This is not > a solution for me though, I don't wanna use > pdf at all.

Well, even if you don't want to, the Linux print system uses PDF internally. Meaning, Firefox has to convert to PDF and sends that to the printer, behind the scenes.

I thought that PostScript is the fundamental output format.

Was.

no proprietaryware should ever be a default part of Linux, neither explicitly nor implicitly my 2

PDF stands for the Portable Document Format, used to display documents in an electronic form independent of the software, hardware or operating system they are viewed on. Originally developed by Adobe® Systems as a universally compatible file format based on the PostScript format, it has become an international de-facto standard for exchanging documents and information.

In 2008, Adobe relinquished control of PDF development to the ISO (International Organization for Standardization) and by this PDF became an “open standard”. The specifications for the current PDF version (2.0) are documented under ISO 32000-2. ISO is also in charge of updating and developiqng future versions.

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last time I looked writing pdf format required adobeware so I blacklisted it then

Not so; on the IBM mainframe systems that I supported we had programs that generated PDF documents from text files, written by a third-party software company not affiliated with Adobe. One does need to understand the underlying file format, of course. Leslie --

Carlos E. R.

08:40

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On 12/01/2021 06.26, Ben T. Fender wrote:

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On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 00:10:46 -0500 Patrick Shanahan <> wrote:

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* Ben T. Fender [01-11-21 23:26]:

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On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 05:14:40 +0100 "Carlos E. R." <> wrote:

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On 12/01/2021 03.11, J Leslie Turriff wrote:

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On 2021-01-11 13:28:57 Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 11/01/2021 18.05, Ben T. Fender wrote:

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Well, even if you don't want to, the Linux print system uses PDF internally. Meaning, Firefox has to convert to PDF and sends that to the printer, behind the scenes.

I thought that PostScript is the fundamental output format.

Was.

no proprietaryware should ever be a default part of Linux, neither explicitly nor implicitly my 2

PDF stands for the Portable Document Format, used to display documents in an electronic form independent of the software, hardware or operating system they are viewed on. Originally developed by Adobe® Systems as a universally compatible file format based on the PostScript format, it has become an international de-facto standard for exchanging documents and information.

In 2008, Adobe relinquished control of PDF development to the ISO (International Organization for Standardization) and by this PDF became an “open standard”. The specifications for the current PDF version (2.0) are documented under ISO 32000-2. ISO is also in charge of updating and developiqng future versions.

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last time I looked writing pdf format required adobeware so I blacklisted it then

This has never been true under Linux. In case you are interested, CUPS (Common UNIX Printing System) was developed by Apple (and the decision to use PDF was probably theirs). Maybe you should consider stopping printing from Linux, in order to not use software originated by a proprietary company >:-) -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.2 x86_64 at Telcontar)

Axel Braun

09:51

New subject: [partly solved] Re: tw/Leap Firefox printing issues

Am Dienstag, 12. Januar 2021, 09:40:36 CET schrieb Carlos E. R.:

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In case you are interested, CUPS (Common UNIX Printing System) was developed by Apple (and the decision to use PDF was probably theirs).

No. Apple has bought the company that developed CUPS - Easy software products - end employed the developer, Michael Sweet. Cheers Axel

Carlos E. R.

11:53

New subject: [partly solved] Re: tw/Leap Firefox printing issues

On 12/01/2021 10.51, Axel Braun wrote:

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Am Dienstag, 12. Januar 2021, 09:40:36 CET schrieb Carlos E. R.:

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In case you are interested, CUPS (Common UNIX Printing System) was developed by Apple (and the decision to use PDF was probably theirs).

No. Apple has bought the company that developed CUPS - Easy software products - end employed the developer, Michael Sweet.

Ok, I read the wikipedia entry wrong. It is then currently developed by Apple. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CUPS -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.2 x86_64 at Telcontar)

Ben T. Fender

13:54

New subject: [partly solved] Re: tw/Leap Firefox printing issues

On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 09:40:36 +0100

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Maybe you should consider stopping printing from Linux, in order to not use software originated by a proprietary company >:-)

sounds good, compadre

Peter McD

10:06

New subject: [partly solved] Re: tw/Leap Firefox printing issues

Am 11.01.21 um 18:05 schrieb Ben T. Fender:

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On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 09:02:31 +0100 Peter McD wrote:

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Am 11.01.21 um 08:54 schrieb Peter McD:

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Am 11.01.21 um 03:29 schrieb Ben T. Fender:

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On Thu, 7 Jan 2021 00:31:52 -0500 "Ben T. Fender" wrote: ... FF takes 3-4 minutes to compose a single page with a few images in it. THAT's the problem, ...

What about exporting it to pdf and printing it from pdf? It should be: Print from Firefox to pdf

I did that, and then Okular could not print the pdf but Document-Viewer could. This is not a solution for me though, I don't wanna use pdf at all.

out of curiosity, went the printing faster that way? Peter

Ben T. Fender

13:55

New subject: [partly solved] Re: tw/Leap Firefox printing issues

On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 11:06:29 +0100 Peter McD wrote:

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Am 11.01.21 um 18:05 schrieb Ben T. Fender:

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On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 09:02:31 +0100 Peter McD wrote:

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Am 11.01.21 um 08:54 schrieb Peter McD:

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Am 11.01.21 um 03:29 schrieb Ben T. Fender:

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On Thu, 7 Jan 2021 00:31:52 -0500 "Ben T. Fender" wrote: ... FF takes 3-4 minutes to compose a single page with a few images in it. THAT's the problem, ...

What about exporting it to pdf and printing it from pdf? It should be: Print from Firefox to pdf

I did that, and then Okular could not print the pdf but Document-Viewer could. This is not a solution for me though, I don't wanna use pdf at all.

out of curiosity, went the printing faster that way?

Peter

Well, some page-by-page attempts to print directly to printer from FF worked but ALL attempts to print the whole page failed. The printer would annunciate "Printing Document" for a very long time and then the file would just vanish from the joblist. Printing the whole page first to a pdf file ended up printing, quite slow, but the job completed. Maybe it's the document, I used Mozilla Composter to do it with, tiny url dot com y5wnndu6

Carlos E. R.

18:35

New subject: [partly solved] Re: tw/Leap Firefox printing issues

On 12/01/2021 14.55, Ben T. Fender wrote:

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On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 11:06:29 +0100 Peter McD <> wrote:

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I did that, and then Okular could not print the pdf but Document-Viewer could. This is not a solution for me though, I don't wanna use pdf at all.

out of curiosity, went the printing faster that way?

Peter

Well, some page-by-page attempts to print directly to printer from FF worked but ALL attempts to print the whole page failed. The printer would annunciate "Printing Document" for a very long time and then the file would just vanish from the joblist.

Well, then you can switch the cups daemon to log in verbose mode, print again, and check the logs. /etc/cups/cupsd.conf LogLevel debug (debug2 logs even more).

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Printing the whole page first to a pdf file ended up printing, quite slow, but the job completed. Maybe it's the document, I used Mozilla Composter to do it with, tiny url dot com y5wnndu6

-- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.2 x86_64 at Telcontar)

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