I have no intention to make the discussion as a "security" bashing (i.e our security team), but if anyone considered removing netcat as unreasonable, it was also decided to remove timezone, they also asked to remove util-linux :-), which obviously cannot be removed. It was at that point that I decided no point to reason with them. (This is true, I cannot believe anyone suggest this)
Anyway, I was trying to find out whether anyone did remove netcat and so far, for those responded, no one seems to have removed netcat.
Thank you for letting me know that I am not the minority.
--- François Pinard firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
The reason they decided to remove netcat is that
they "found" out
netcat is hacker's tool via a google search :-).
Hackers also use `ls' and `cp', you know :-) Rootkits often replace `ls', among other tools. So, you might suggest `ls' be removed as well! What I really mean here is that some common sense is needed. `netcat' is a useful tool for you, just like a flurry of others.
-- François Pinard http://pinard.progiciels-bpi.ca
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On Thu, 28 Jul 2005, Bill Wilson wrote:
[...] Thank you for letting me know that I am not the minority.
Hi Bill (once again).
In the last eight years in which I worked in the adminstration area (Network, Unix servers and little but partly heavy programming) a pattern showed up in my eyes:
There are lots of people not doing the work you do and mostly not even really knowing what you do who fell a holly task to tell you /how/ you have to do it and what you have to look at.
Just use your sane mind and act accordingly and you are on the right way; what certainly doesn't mean to not listen for the needs of the people who use the devices you adminster.
*You* are the specialist.
Even if the other person studied computer science and has a doctor's degree /you/ are the man who works on the actual problem. /You/ know /best/ what to do. Others might be helpfull or serve you with knowledge you don't have. But /you/ are the one who...
Best regards Henning Hucke
PS: Sorry for being deranged but in the past little more than a year but also less severe in the years before I had to fight silly wars with such people. And the bad thing is that these wars all in all consume lots more of time than the actual work...