[opensuse-releaseteam] Re: Packages you maintain are present in openSUSE:Leap:15.0
On Freitag, 13. April 2018 18:50:07 CEST Ludwig Nussel wrote: Hi,
Please verify that the included packages are working as intended and have versions appropriate for a stable release. Please submit any changes until April 26th latest.
According to the information in OBS ("osc maintainer") you are in charge of the following packages:
I'm definitely not maintaining any of those packages (I maintain rpmlint and openstack python packages, but not any of the rest). please find real package maintainers, my day job does not allow taking care of 1300+ opensuse packages. Thanks a lot in advance, Dirk
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Dirk Mueller wrote:
On Freitag, 13. April 2018 18:50:07 CEST Ludwig Nussel wrote:
Please verify that the included packages are working as intended and have versions appropriate for a stable release. Please submit any changes until April 26th latest.
According to the information in OBS ("osc maintainer") you are in charge of the following packages:
I'm definitely not maintaining any of those packages (I maintain rpmlint and openstack python packages, but not any of the rest). please find real package maintainers, my day job does not allow taking care of 1300+ opensuse packages.
Thanks a lot in advance, Dirk
- Base:System/acct [hundreds more]
Keeping the data in obs up to date is your own duty. $ osc meta pkg Base:System acct <package name="acct" project="Base:System"> <title>acct</title> <description>NOTE: Automatically created during Factory devel project migration by admin.</description> <person userid="kstreitova" role="bugowner"/> <person userid="dirkmueller" role="maintainer"/> <person userid="elvigia" role="maintainer"/> <person userid="kstreitova" role="maintainer"/> </package> cu Ludwig -- (o_ Ludwig Nussel //\ V_/_ http://www.suse.com/ SUSE Linux GmbH, GF: Felix Imendörffer, Jane Smithard, Graham Norton, HRB 21284 (AG Nürnberg) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-releaseteam+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-releaseteam+owner@opensuse.org
On Dienstag, 29. Mai 2018 15:35:34 CEST Ludwig Nussel wrote: Hi Ludwig,
- Base:System/acct [hundreds more] $ osc meta pkg Base:System acct <person userid="kstreitova" role="bugowner"/>
I have no idea what you're trying to tell me, can you explain? katharina is correctly set as bugowner. as she is a SUSE employee, it would make sense to set her as maintainer (aka bugowner) for leap as well, right? in OBS the "bugowner" describs the package owner (it is the person the bug should be assigned to). the maintainer is just someone who has write access to the package. For details, see https://en.opensuse.org/ openSUSE:Package_maintainership_guide. I am not sure why I have write access to the package as I'm already a package maintainer for it but I do indeed regulary review package submissions (so a maintainer role makes sense). that doesn't make me the designated go to person for security / maintenance update requests though (difference between reviewer and package maintainer (aka the person doing the work) here). I'm confused on why I need to explain this to you as you obviously know that? what am I missing? I've reread your email now twice, and I'm jetlagging.. Thanks, Dirk -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-releaseteam+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-releaseteam+owner@opensuse.org
Dirk Mueller wrote:
On Dienstag, 29. Mai 2018 15:35:34 CEST Ludwig Nussel wrote:
Hi Ludwig,
- Base:System/acct [hundreds more] $ osc meta pkg Base:System acct <person userid="kstreitova" role="bugowner"/>
I have no idea what you're trying to tell me, can you explain? katharina is correctly set as bugowner. as she is a SUSE employee, it would make sense to set her as maintainer (aka bugowner) for leap as well, right?
Leap has no dedicated maintainers. It's all inherited from Factory and the output of "osc maintainer" counts, rather than any personal interpretation of the data.
in OBS the "bugowner" describs the package owner (it is the person the bug should be assigned to). the maintainer is just someone who has write access to the package. For details, see https://en.opensuse.org/ openSUSE:Package_maintainership_guide. I am not sure why I have write access to the package as I'm already a package maintainer for it but I do indeed regulary review package submissions (so a maintainer role makes sense). that doesn't make me the designated go to person for security / maintenance update requests though (difference between reviewer and package maintainer (aka the person doing the work) here).
SLE has bug owners only due to lack of devel projects. Factory has maintainers. The bug owner is in the worst case just the one who triages bug reports. That is not exactly new. The only news is that the notification mail brings to people's attention of what they are actually responsible for. Which is surprising to ones like you who managed to add themselves as maintainer to thousands of packages. The notification mail did not refer to maintenance and security updates at all. It just asked to review the packages you are responsible for to check whether everything is correct in Leap. Taking acct as example again, if Katarina is the actual package maintainer then don't add yourself as maintainer also. You are project maintainer so can and have to act as backup anyways. Any notifications, bot reviews etc would always go to an explicitly set maintainer if there is one.
what am I missing? I've reread your email now twice, and I'm jetlagging..
Get some sleep before harassing people then. cu Ludwig -- (o_ Ludwig Nussel //\ V_/_ http://www.suse.com/ SUSE Linux GmbH, GF: Felix Imendörffer, Jane Smithard, Graham Norton, HRB 21284 (AG Nürnberg) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-releaseteam+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-releaseteam+owner@opensuse.org
On 30/05/18 19:24, Ludwig Nussel wrote:
Dirk Mueller wrote:
On Dienstag, 29. Mai 2018 15:35:34 CEST Ludwig Nussel wrote:
Hi Ludwig,
- Base:System/acct [hundreds more] $ osc meta pkg Base:System acct <person userid="kstreitova" role="bugowner"/>
I have no idea what you're trying to tell me, can you explain? katharina is correctly set as bugowner. as she is a SUSE employee, it would make sense to set her as maintainer (aka bugowner) for leap as well, right?
Leap has no dedicated maintainers. It's all inherited from Factory and the output of "osc maintainer" counts, rather than any personal interpretation of the data.
in OBS the "bugowner" describs the package owner (it is the person the bug should be assigned to). the maintainer is just someone who has write access to the package. For details, see https://en.opensuse.org/ openSUSE:Package_maintainership_guide. I am not sure why I have write access to the package as I'm already a package maintainer for it but I do indeed regulary review package submissions (so a maintainer role makes sense). that doesn't make me the designated go to person for security / maintenance update requests though (difference between reviewer and package maintainer (aka the person doing the work) here).
SLE has bug owners only due to lack of devel projects. Factory has maintainers. The bug owner is in the worst case just the one who triages bug reports. That is not exactly new. The only news is that the notification mail brings to people's attention of what they are actually responsible for. Which is surprising to ones like you who managed to add themselves as maintainer to thousands of packages.
The notification mail did not refer to maintenance and security updates at all. It just asked to review the packages you are responsible for to check whether everything is correct in Leap. Taking acct as example again, if Katarina is the actual package maintainer then don't add yourself as maintainer also. You are project maintainer so can and have to act as backup anyways. Any notifications, bot reviews etc would always go to an explicitly set maintainer if there is one.
Within my SLE packaging team we are all told to make sure we are the bugowner for the factory devel package in obs as well as ibs so bugowner is likely right in many cases for openSUSE as well. -- Simon Lees (Simotek) http://simotek.net Emergency Update Team keybase.io/simotek SUSE Linux Adelaide Australia, UTC+10:30 GPG Fingerprint: 5B87 DB9D 88DC F606 E489 CEC5 0922 C246 02F0 014B -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-releaseteam+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-releaseteam+owner@opensuse.org
On Mittwoch, 30. Mai 2018 11:54:52 CEST Ludwig Nussel wrote: Hi Ludwig,
Leap has no dedicated maintainers. It's all inherited from Factory and the output of "osc maintainer" counts, rather than any personal interpretation of the data.
"osc maintainer" outputs very different information than your email for most of the cases in the original list, example (randomly picked): $ osc maintainer rpmdevtools Defined in package: devel:tools/rpmdevtools bugowner of rpmdevtools : jnweiger, toganm maintainer of rpmdevtools : - still I was listed as maintainer in your email . The bugowner is explicitely set here, and the wiki page (not my personal interpretation) says: https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Package_maintainership_guide Package/Project bugowner You inheritingly are the guy everyone reports issues to, the only difference compared to the maintainer is that you don't have direct write access to the project/package you are set as bugowner to. Plus the page doesn't mention anything about Leap, and leap seems to have more complicated rules (for packages that comre from SLE). is there any way to understand which information is actually correct? how does "osc maintainer" look that up?
The notification mail did not refer to maintenance and security updates at all. It just asked to review the packages you are responsible for to check whether everything is correct in Leap. Taking acct as example again, if Katarina is the actual package maintainer then don't add yourself as maintainer also. You are project maintainer so can and have to act as backup anyways. Any notifications, bot reviews etc would always go to an explicitly set maintainer if there is one.
maintainer or bugowner in that last sentence?
what am I missing? I've reread your email now twice, and I'm jetlagging.. Get some sleep before harassing people then.
Successfully completed sleep step :-) Thanks, Dirk
cu Ludwig
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