[opensuse-project] Let's create an openFate team
Moin, with openFate we have now a tool in place which should enable more community people to participate directly to the creation of openSUSE. Currently we are at the beginning of using openFate and are gathering information and experience to make openFate and its usage as efficient as possible. Therfore we propose to set up a team of people engaged in openFate to help maintain movement in openFate and to enhance openFate where necessary. What comes in to my mind are things like: - add documentation (how to use openfate, explain the process etc.) - feature screening (does a feature lack important information, find duplicates etc.) - define the process on how to handle features - call for feature voting in a certain period to make clear which features are of high importance for the community - find areas where openFate should be improved - find people implementing features Please let me know if you're interested or add yourself to the participant list on http://en.opensuse.org/OpenFate_screening_team and I'll set up a first meeting soon to discuss what's needed. At least for the beginning I see opensuse-project the right place to talk about openFate. Best Michael PS: Don't miss Thomas's talk about openFate on Sunday 2:15pm at FOSDEM (talks will be recorded), http://en.opensuse.org/FOSDEM -- Michael Löffler, Product Management Email: michl@suse.de Phone: +49 911 74053-376 SUSE LINUX Products GmbH - Nürnberg - AG Nürnberg - HRB 16746 - GF: Markus Rex -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
Michael Loeffler wrote:
Currently we are at the beginning of using openFate and are gathering information and experience to make openFate and its usage as efficient as possible. Therfore we propose to set up a team of people engaged in openFate to help maintain movement in openFate and to enhance openFate where necessary.
While I'm neither good at English nor have enough programming skills, I'm very interested in this openFATE structure. If someone has ideas or wishes to improve openSUSE, they *might* come true - I think that's the best part of open source project. I'd like to participate the team, if I can be a helpful member.
What comes in to my mind are things like:
- add documentation (how to use openfate, explain the process etc.) - feature screening (does a feature lack important information, find duplicates etc.) - define the process on how to handle features - call for feature voting in a certain period to make clear which features are of high importance for the community - find areas where openFate should be improved - find people implementing features
Incidentally, I have a question. There are other ways to submit some features now. We already have Feature Wishlist[1]/Package Wishlist[2] on the Wiki, can submit a feature as a "bug - Enhancement" to Bugzilla[3]. [1] http://en.opensuse.org/Feature_Wishlist [2] http://en.opensuse.org/Package_Wishlist [3] https://bugzilla.novell.com/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&short_desc_type=allwordssubstr&short_desc=&long_desc_type=fulltext&long_desc=&classification=openSUSE&product=openSUSE+11.2&bug_file_loc_type=allwordssubstr&bug_file_loc=&status_whiteboard_type=allwordssubstr&status_whiteboard=&keywords_type=anywords&keywords=&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=NEEDINFO&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_severity=Enhancement&op_sys=openSUSE+11.1&emailassigned_to1=1&emailtype1=substring&email1=&emailassigned_to2=1&emailreporter2=1&emailqa_contact2=1&emailcc2=1&emailtype2=substring&email2=&bugidtype=include&bug_id=&votes=&chfieldfrom=&chfieldto=Now&chfieldvalue=&cmdtype=doit&order=Reuse+same+sort+as+last+time&field0-0-0=noop&type0-0-0=noop&value0-0-0= What are the difference between submitting features to openFATE and submitting them to other channels noted above ? What I am most concerned with is, the difference between openFATE and Bugzilla. If there are some differences, I think they should be clear. Best, -- _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ _/_/ Satoru Matsumoto - openSUSE Member - Japan _/_/ _/_/ Marketing & Weekly News Team _/_/ _/_/ mail: helios_reds@gmx.net / irc: HeliosReds _/_/ _/_/ http://blog.geeko.jp/author/heliosreds _/_/ _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
Michael Loeffler wrote:
Currently we are at the beginning of using openFate and are gathering information and experience to make openFate and its usage as efficient as possible. Therfore we propose to set up a team of people engaged in openFate to help maintain movement in openFate and to enhance openFate where necessary.
While I'm neither good at English nor have enough programming skills, I'm very interested in this openFATE structure. No enoug programming skills might be even an advantage and your english sounds pretty good. If someone has ideas or wishes to improve openSUSE, they *might* come true - I think that's the best part of open source project. I'd like to participate the team, if I can be a helpful member. Then add yourself to the page, http://en.opensuse.org/OpenFate_screening_team
What comes in to my mind are things like:
- add documentation (how to use openfate, explain the process etc.) - feature screening (does a feature lack important information, find duplicates etc.) - define the process on how to handle features - call for feature voting in a certain period to make clear which features are of high importance for the community - find areas where openFate should be improved - find people implementing features
Incidentally, I have a question. There are other ways to submit some features now. We already have Feature Wishlist[1]/Package Wishlist[2] on the Wiki, can submit a feature as a "bug - Enhancement" to Bugzilla[3].
[1] http://en.opensuse.org/Feature_Wishlist [2] http://en.opensuse.org/Package_Wishlist [3] https://bugzilla.novell.com/buglist.cg
What are the difference between submitting features to openFATE and submitting them to other channels noted above ? What I am most concerned with is, the difference between openFATE and Bugzilla. If there are some differences, I think they should be clear. Good points and question ;-) Let me start with openFate and Bugzilla. In general Bugzilla looks into the past - existing code which doesn't work or not as supposed. openFate looks into the future - we need a functionality which addresses a certain need. And yes there is an overlap wrt to enhancement bugs. (might be a taks for the openFate team to go
Hi, On Monday 09 February 2009, Satoru Matsumoto wrote: through them and put some of them into openFate). The Feature wishlist in the wiki IMO should be replaced by openFate. A wiki tends to be unorderly, is not very good searchable and of course having 1 place for feature requests is easier to handle then 2. Or when it comes to "first" feature ideas/drafts ideas.opensuse.org might the rigth place (currently outdated and not well maintained). Exactly those are the things our openFate team should figure out and address to make openFate clear and simple to use. Best M
Best,
-- _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ _/_/ Satoru Matsumoto - openSUSE Member - Japan _/_/ _/_/ Marketing & Weekly News Team _/_/ _/_/ mail: helios_reds@gmx.net / irc: HeliosReds _/_/ _/_/ http://blog.geeko.jp/author/heliosreds _/_/ _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/
-- Michael Löffler, Product Management Email: michl@suse.de Phone: +49 911 74053-376 SUSE LINUX Products GmbH - Nürnberg - AG Nürnberg - HRB 16746 - GF: Markus Rex -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
Hi List, Since 10.1, we have one of the best Chinese fonts -- Founder fonts (a.k.a FZSongTi, FZHeiti .etc), but since 11.1, these fonts could not be found from iso/meida anymore. Does anyone know why the fonts are removed (or I missed something)? Thanks. -- Coly Li SuSE Labs -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
Am Mittwoch 11 Februar 2009 schrieb Coly Li:
Hi List,
Since 10.1, we have one of the best Chinese fonts -- Founder fonts (a.k.a FZSongTi, FZHeiti .etc), but since 11.1, these fonts could not be found from iso/meida anymore.
Does anyone know why the fonts are removed (or I missed something)? Thanks.
Just read the license as you know chinese. Greetings, Stephan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
Stephan Kulow Wrote:
Am Mittwoch 11 Februar 2009 schrieb Coly Li:
Hi List,
Since 10.1, we have one of the best Chinese fonts -- Founder fonts (a.k.a FZSongTi, FZHeiti .etc), but since 11.1, these fonts could not be found from iso/meida anymore.
Does anyone know why the fonts are removed (or I missed something)? Thanks.
Just read the license as you know chinese.
Hmm, I did not find the chinese version, but from english version, the license only mentioned "will not use or transfer openSUSE 11.1 for use in any sensitive nuclear, chemical, or biological weapons or missile technology end-uses unless authorized by the US Government by regulation or specific license", not including a commercial chinese font :) CMIIW, novell payed for the founder commercial fonts and we are permitted to distribute it in opensuse and SLE. Since I use opensuse (it was 10.1), this commercial font is in media till 11.0. But in 11.1, it was not in oss nor non-oss, that's why I ask. Is there any technical or legal issue for founder font ? Thanks. -- Coly Li SuSE Labs -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
Coly Li Wrote:
Stephan Kulow Wrote:
Am Mittwoch 11 Februar 2009 schrieb Coly Li:
Hi List,
Since 10.1, we have one of the best Chinese fonts -- Founder fonts (a.k.a FZSongTi, FZHeiti .etc), but since 11.1, these fonts could not be found from iso/meida anymore.
Does anyone know why the fonts are removed (or I missed something)? Thanks.
Just read the license as you know chinese.
Hmm, I did not find the chinese version, but from english version, the license only mentioned "will not use or transfer openSUSE 11.1 for use in any sensitive nuclear, chemical, or biological weapons or missile technology end-uses unless authorized by the US Government by regulation or specific license", not including a commercial chinese font :)
From here I find something reasonable,
http://zonker.opensuse.org/2008/11/26/opensuse-sports-a-new-license-ding-don... Founder fonts are not permitted to be re-distributed by end users, so I understand why it gets removed from main DVD media. But why can't we place it on installation source, just into distribution/11.1/repo/non-oss/, is it possible ? Thanks. -- Coly Li SuSE Labs -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
Am Mittwoch 11 Februar 2009 schrieb Coly Li:
Coly Li Wrote:
Stephan Kulow Wrote:
Am Mittwoch 11 Februar 2009 schrieb Coly Li:
Hi List,
Since 10.1, we have one of the best Chinese fonts -- Founder fonts (a.k.a FZSongTi, FZHeiti .etc), but since 11.1, these fonts could not be found from iso/meida anymore.
Does anyone know why the fonts are removed (or I missed something)? Thanks.
Just read the license as you know chinese.
Hmm, I did not find the chinese version, but from english version, the license only mentioned "will not use or transfer openSUSE 11.1 for use in any sensitive nuclear, chemical, or biological weapons or missile technology end-uses unless authorized by the US Government by regulation or specific license", not including a commercial chinese font :)
From here I find something reasonable, http://zonker.opensuse.org/2008/11/26/opensuse-sports-a-new-license-ding-do ng-the-eulas-dead/
Founder fonts are not permitted to be re-distributed by end users, so I understand why it gets removed from main DVD media.
Sorry, I'm not talking about openSUSE but about founder license. Greetings, Stephan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
Stephan Kulow Wrote:
Am Mittwoch 11 Februar 2009 schrieb Coly Li:
Coly Li Wrote:
Am Mittwoch 11 Februar 2009 schrieb Coly Li:
Hi List,
Since 10.1, we have one of the best Chinese fonts -- Founder fonts (a.k.a FZSongTi, FZHeiti .etc), but since 11.1, these fonts could not be found from iso/meida anymore.
Does anyone know why the fonts are removed (or I missed something)? Thanks. Just read the license as you know chinese. Hmm, I did not find the chinese version, but from english version, the
Stephan Kulow Wrote: license only mentioned "will not use or transfer openSUSE 11.1 for use in any sensitive nuclear, chemical, or biological weapons or missile technology end-uses unless authorized by the US Government by regulation or specific license", not including a commercial chinese font :) From here I find something reasonable, http://zonker.opensuse.org/2008/11/26/opensuse-sports-a-new-license-ding-do ng-the-eulas-dead/
Founder fonts are not permitted to be re-distributed by end users, so I understand why it gets removed from main DVD media.
Sorry, I'm not talking about openSUSE but about founder license.
Oh, I see, thanks :) But after browsing founder website, I did not find any license related information. If you saw that before, could you please tell me the URL ? Or anyone else knows the license, please tell me. Wish no NDA needed for reading the license. -- Coly Li SuSE Labs -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
Am Donnerstag 12 Februar 2009 schrieb Coly Li:
Oh, I see, thanks :) But after browsing founder website, I did not find any license related information. If you saw that before, could you please tell me the URL ? Or anyone else knows the license, please tell me.
Wish no NDA needed for reading the license.
Well, there is a reason we avoid these non opensource licenses like the plague. They make things always complicated. Because additionally to these licenses, Novell (not openSUSE project) needs a contract and the conditions of these contracts can not be published. Greetings, Stephan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
On Thursday 12 February 2009 02:58:50 Coly Li wrote:
Stephan Kulow Wrote:
Am Mittwoch 11 Februar 2009 schrieb Coly Li:
Coly Li Wrote:
Stephan Kulow Wrote:
Am Mittwoch 11 Februar 2009 schrieb Coly Li:
Hi List,
Since 10.1, we have one of the best Chinese fonts -- Founder fonts (a.k.a FZSongTi, FZHeiti .etc), but since 11.1, these fonts could not be found from iso/meida anymore.
Does anyone know why the fonts are removed (or I missed something)? Thanks.
Just read the license as you know chinese.
Hmm, I did not find the chinese version, but from english version, the license only mentioned "will not use or transfer openSUSE 11.1 for use in any sensitive nuclear, chemical, or biological weapons or missile technology end-uses unless authorized by the US Government by regulation or specific license", not including a commercial chinese font :)
From here I find something reasonable, http://zonker.opensuse.org/2008/11/26/opensuse-sports-a-new-license-ding -do ng-the-eulas-dead/
Founder fonts are not permitted to be re-distributed by end users, so I understand why it gets removed from main DVD media.
Sorry, I'm not talking about openSUSE but about founder license.
Oh, I see, thanks :) But after browsing founder website, I did not find any license related information. If you saw that before, could you please tell me the URL ? Or anyone else knows the license, please tell me.
Wish no NDA needed for reading the license.
Coly, commercial license are difficult. The license we have puts some restrictions on us and we have removed packages from our media and ftp repository which had some bad restrictions like not being allowed to redistribute a package (this would make it impossible for users to give away an ISO or for admins to mirror the ftp tree). I'm not sure what the actual problem is of this specific package, we might have a contract that does not even allow us to state this ;-( Sorry, some licenses are too much trouble and limit our abilities to make openSUSE successful and therefore we will not anymore distribute them, Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, Director Platform / openSUSE, aj@suse.de SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126
Andreas Jaeger Wrote:
On Thursday 12 February 2009 02:58:50 Coly Li wrote:
Stephan Kulow Wrote:
Am Mittwoch 11 Februar 2009 schrieb Coly Li:
Coly Li Wrote:
Am Mittwoch 11 Februar 2009 schrieb Coly Li: > Hi List, > > Since 10.1, we have one of the best Chinese fonts -- Founder fonts > (a.k.a FZSongTi, FZHeiti .etc), but since 11.1, these fonts could not > be found from iso/meida anymore. > > Does anyone know why the fonts are removed (or I missed something)? > Thanks. Just read the license as you know chinese. Hmm, I did not find the chinese version, but from english version, the
Stephan Kulow Wrote: license only mentioned "will not use or transfer openSUSE 11.1 for use in any sensitive nuclear, chemical, or biological weapons or missile technology end-uses unless authorized by the US Government by regulation or specific license", not including a commercial chinese font :) From here I find something reasonable, http://zonker.opensuse.org/2008/11/26/opensuse-sports-a-new-license-ding -do ng-the-eulas-dead/
Founder fonts are not permitted to be re-distributed by end users, so I understand why it gets removed from main DVD media. Sorry, I'm not talking about openSUSE but about founder license. Oh, I see, thanks :) But after browsing founder website, I did not find any license related information. If you saw that before, could you please tell me the URL ? Or anyone else knows the license, please tell me.
Wish no NDA needed for reading the license.
Coly,
commercial license are difficult. The license we have puts some restrictions on us and we have removed packages from our media and ftp repository which had some bad restrictions like not being allowed to redistribute a package (this would make it impossible for users to give away an ISO or for admins to mirror the ftp tree).
I'm not sure what the actual problem is of this specific package, we might have a contract that does not even allow us to state this ;-(
Sorry, some licenses are too much trouble and limit our abilities to make openSUSE successful and therefore we will not anymore distribute them,
Stephan and Andreas, Thanks for your patient explaining. Now I know the (almost) whole story why founder fonts are removed from opensuse distro. founder fonts are one of the best chinese fonts IMHO, which brought comfortable user experience since 10.1 (iirc). That's why I am still looking for chance to inlcude them until now. I agree with the motivation of removing founder fonts. (For people who need it, they can find it finally) Best regards. -- Coly Li SuSE Labs -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
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