Clayton, doing a full installation from USB already is damn easy with oS 11.2. Just dump the hybrid iso (LiveCD) onto USB media and boot from that. dd if=image.iso of=/dev/sdX bs=32k Best, R 2010/2/10 Stephan Kulow :

Am Mittwoch 10 Februar 2010 schrieb Clayton:

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Not sure if this should be here on Project or in Factory....

Just a question... when openSUSE 11.3 is released is there any possibility that we can provide a "easy" way to create a full install from USB sticks?

There is a page written in the Wiki here: http://en.opensuse.org/Live_USB_stick which details how to build a LiveCD on a USB stick.... this works, but it's difficult for new /inexperienced users to deal with.

Did you read the page? Especially the

"Since openSUSE 11.2 Milestone 7, LiveCD iso can be used to create LiveUSB. The complicated procedure described in section #openSUSE 11.1 and earlier is no longer needed. " part?

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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday, 2010-02-10 at 14:26 +0100, Clayton wrote:

I don't think that dd if=openSUSE-11.2-KDE4-LiveCD-i686.iso of=/dev/sdX bs=4M;sync is "easy" (I can do it, but my mother for example cannot deal with that on her machine) and this is for the LiveCD.... what about the DVD iso?

dd is a dangerous tool. You get the device name wrong and you might destroy your entire hard disk content. And it is easy to get the name wrong: in my computer, device names change from boot to boot, the moment I plug an external usb disk. The other thing is that other distros produce a special image for usb sticks, in ext3/3 format, not an iso, which is RO. This may only be useful for installation. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkt0m4sACgkQtTMYHG2NR9VJpgCgmCgPrXP9uE5alas0bV9yjU1u HFQAn1WLFqNDResjlpzZSNt1LA6aUyT3 =nT4H -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org

Am Freitag 12 Februar 2010 schrieb Carlos E. R.:

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The other thing is that other distros produce a special image for usb sticks, in ext3/3 format, not an iso, which is RO. This may only be useful for installation.

Those images you need to dd too - I'm not sure what argument that is.

If we support USB install, instructions on the "get software" page, a menu item somewhere to create the USB image, and a bit of software which automates the process would be really useful(tm) If we make life easier for people who are only comfortable with Windows GUI working, we'll get more people in the camp. It's an open camp, but we can, unintentionally, put people off. Just my 4c worth, David -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org

On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 14:27, Martin Schlander wrote:

Don't think simply running 'dd' should be too difficult for most people.

Have you ever tried to walk a new user through doing that? I have... it's not fun at all. In the end we used unetbootin which... kind of worked.. it wasn't nice either, but at least we succeeded. We don't expect users to burn their DVD that way (and you can burn your DVD from the CLI)... why should we think it's OK to make them create a USB install that way? DVDs are not the latest and greatest anymore... laptops are being sold without them... of the laptops I own, only one has a DVD reader... the rest... nothing. Bootable USB are the replacement.

But it would be nice if someone could slap a gui "frontend" to dd together, which lets them select the iso and device and asks them if they're absolutely sure they want to delete everything on the device about 3-4 times, before proceeding. Maybe as a yast module.. to get Qt and gtk versions "for free".

I wasn't even thinking that advanced :-) ... I was considering that there must be some user friendly way to write an image to USB.... something we could take advantage of.. like say unetbootin. It's crossplatform... and works reasonably well in most cases. My only real issue with using that is that problem I've encountered across multiple USB devices (including ones I did not create myself so I assume it's not a "just me" problem) where the installer errors out, drops to text mode and takes some fiddling to get it back to the GUI installer again. Anyway, it was an idea... of something we could maybe use as a "cool feature" in the next release... something other distros are also starting to do by the way... Ubuntu for example has a "create a bootable USB installer" thing built into the system menu now.... we have nothing but.. "use the command line, it's easy" response :-( which is meaningless to the average user. C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org

On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 14:51, Masim "Vavai" Sugianto wrote:

I would like to vote +1 for Clayton argument and thinking about create an openFATE for 11.3. It's not about the simply or easy way to do the above but LiveUSB is much needed for Netbook installation or some installation without CD/DVD. Yes, these are various others method but and integrated LiveUSB creator would give us (openSUSE) a great feature to end user.

Sadly, I have nothing experience in Linux programming so I could not help much regarding the request.

I always forget about openFATE. Searching there I found: https://features.opensuse.org/308354 and https://features.opensuse.org/308352 and https://features.opensuse.org/308385 All of which are basically dead... or more likely lost in the shuffle and no one is aware they've been proposed :-( C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org

On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 16:27, Greg Freemyer wrote:

You have to configure Hermes in order to get OBS and OpenFate notifications.  And I think they are just recently put in a OpenFate screening team.

So you should log into the OpenFate system then click on the large Hermes icon on the left and set things up the way you want them.  Then you can set yourself to follow items like the ones you posted above.

I'm not sure many openfate users really appreciate that yet.

Aha... that helps. Thanks. I wonder... should I start an openFATE about letting people know about Hermes :-) C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org

Onsdag den 10. februar 2010 15:02:35 skrev Cornelius Schumacher:

There is a UI tool for writing images to USB sticks available as part of the kiwi project: http://software.opensuse.org/ymp/openSUSE:Tools/openSUSE_11.2/kiwi-tools- imagewriter.ymp

Well, this tool looks great for the job (didn't try actually copying the image yet, but I assume it works). In my not so humble opinion only a few small issues need to be addressed, to make it perfect: * The tool needs to be put in default desktop installations for 11.3 * The package lacks a menu entry/.desktop file to make it easily launchable via the menu - e.g. Kickoff - with clicky, clicky and a nice xdg-su/kdesu permission dialog. * It seems that you _must_ plug in the usb-device _before_ launching imagewriter - either this should be changed, or there should be some kind of reminder/warning on startup if no usb-device is found. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org

On Wed, 10 Feb 2010, Martin Schlander wrote:

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* The tool needs to be put in default desktop installations for 11.3

* The package lacks a menu entry/.desktop file to make it easily launchable via the menu - e.g. Kickoff - with clicky, clicky and a nice xdg-su/kdesu permission dialog.

* It seems that you _must_ plug in the usb-device _before_ launching imagewriter - either this should be changed, or there should be some kind of reminder/warning on startup if no usb-device is found.

Oh, and maybe the term "appliance" should be changed to something more generic like "image".

Do you really think most of the images created with suse studio are actually just appliances and not proper, full blown, multipurpose "distros"?

Hi, I've been planning on adding USB key insertion detection but haven't had the time yet. It and better desktop integration will be implemented soon. Also, you're right about the "appliance" text - I just changed it to say "disk image". Thanks for the suggestions, Matt -- Matt Barringer, Software Engineer SUSE Linux Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) http://susestudio.com http://www.novell.com/linux