On Monday 16 May 2011 18:42:01 Jos Poortvliet wrote:
On Monday 28 February 2011 11:55:02 Cornelius
We had a couple of discussions in the past about
how to improve the
openSUSE trademark guidelines (see e.g.
Attached some minor comments. Thanks for pushing this, let's get it out
Thanks for the comments, and yes, we should get it done. That's why I'd also
limit changes to a minimum at this point in time. We can do another revision
later, if that's needed, but for now I would run with what we have agreed on
Replies to your comments inline:
It is fundamentally important to us that any permitted
use you make of the
openSUSE Marks be of the highest quality and integrity and meet the highest
**"aims to meet" or "meets"
Good point. Fixed.
=== Fair Use ===
We acknowledge and support your right to make "fair use" of the openSUSE
Marks, and do not mean to suggest with these Guidelines that our
permission is required in such cases. We cannot, however, tell you
categorically what will and will not qualify as a "fair use."
**as this depends on your local laws and specific situation.
That's a useful clarification.
=== Distributing openSUSE With Modifications ===
You may distribute openSUSE with modifications. Such distributions can be
created via SUSE Studio, KIWI, or the openSUSE Build Service, or via your
own build process.
**The following is very harsh. It is basically 'softened' afterwards but
I'd like to say it more gently in the first place.
In making such a distribution, you must remove all trademark uses of the
openSUSE Marks from the version of openSUSE you are modifying.
**How about replacing this with:
In making such a distribution, you must ensure it is clear that your
version is modified from the official openSUSE product. You cannot name
your product openSUSE or directly use the openSUSE Marks but you can use
the special set of branding packages or your own brand(s).
It might sound harsh, but it's also very clear, so I would keep it.
=== Advocacy Groups ===
We welcome the use of the openSUSE Marks in connection with user groups and
other openSUSE advocacy groups, but you may only do so in accordance with
the following requirements:
* Your use is not commercial in nature;
* In using an openSUSE Mark, you are in fact referring to the thing that
the openSUSE Mark represents;
* There is no suggestion (through words or appearance) that your group is
approved by, sponsored by, or affiliated with the openSUSE Project (or its
related projects) unless it actually has been so approved, sponsored, or
***-> as we don't have any such status, should we clarify this?!? And if
I think this is a separate discussion, and out of the scope of the actual
How advocacy groups are affiliated or approved is also more a social question.
Whatever the answer is, the trademark guidelines basically just say, that you
shouldn't misrepresent your status, and that holds in any case.
Personally I'm fine with the informal community-driven way advocacy groups are
run right now. I don't really feel a need to make this more formal.
=== Publications ===
If you want to include all or part of an openSUSE Mark in the title or
subtitle of a publication such as a book or magazine, you should seek our
permission (see "Contact Information" below to request permission).
** unless it constitutes fair use (as is the case with magazines and the
like). **(to point out to ppl that indeed fair use exists and allows this)
It's kind of redunant, and as it's not easy to specify, what exactly "fair
use" is in a general way, I would rather leave it out.
=== Product and Service Names, and Compatibility
You should not include an openSUSE Mark in the name of your product or
service, regardless of whether it's commercial or non-commercial in
nature. This includes online services, such as e-commerce, community,
blog, informational, promotional, and personal home page sites.
With that said, we consider it permissible to use an openSUSE Mark in a
file, folder, directory, or path name.
We also recognize that the openSUSE Community needs some way to identify
projects, products, and services that are compatible with openSUSE. Our
concern is that users not be confused as to whether a compatible project,
product, or service is official or not. To address that concern, we
request that you indicate compatibility with openSUSE using one of the
following tag-lines (or its equivalent):
**Again, we mention official but don't have anything 'official'. What IS
official. Anything SUSE Linux Producs GmbH does? Anything the board does?
Board mebers? SUSE Employees? openSUSE Members? only the openSUSE DVDs
coolo produces? We do have to write that down somewhere, I'll work on
I think it's a theoretical discussion, what "official" means. It also only
makes sense in relation to a defined situation. All the groups you mention
have some way to do things officially, and it means different things. As long
as this is not confused, and e.g. something is mispresented as coming
officially from the SUSE company, when it's actually done by the community, we
should be fine here, and that's what the trademark guidelines basically say.
Other than that we should follow the proven guideline of "those who do the
work decide", and let actions speak. I don't see the need to make things more
Cornelius Schumacher <cschum(a)suse.de>
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