26 Aug
2018
26 Aug
'18
4:27 a.m.
To the openSUSE community,
There are so many wonderful, inspiring projects and communities in the
broader Free Software world -- that it makes little sense for me to
remain a member of one where the leadership personally attacks those who
suggest simple notions such as "let's be more transparent" (an implied
criticism that is as much about my own failings, as a past Board Member,
as anyone).
The responses received from some openSUSE Board members were profane,
rude, slanderous... and just plain not nice.
I have many friends in this community -- a community that has done some
truly exceptional work. Many of you have *much* to be proud of. And I
will do my best to not let the words and actions of some of the Board
impact my views of the good work that you have done and, I hope, will do
in the future. For the technology you have produced -- and the
friendship you have shared -- I will always be in your debt.
That said, the Board has created a negative, cruel atmosphere that I do
not want any part of. Perhaps one day that will change but, for now, it
is time to separate myself entirely and to focus on the communities with
much less hate; To surround myself with love, instead.
I do not expect any other people to take this action -- nor do I wish
this to cause any additional unhappiness or conflict among the
community. It is simply an action I must take, and I want my thoughts
(whether any agree with them or not) to be stated.
I request that I be removed from the openSUSE membership list. I will
unsubscribe myself from the various mailing lists this evening.
I wish you all (and I do mean *all*) the very best.
-Bryan Lunduke
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26 Aug
26 Aug
7:34 a.m.
Hi,
To the openSUSE community,
There are so many wonderful, inspiring projects and communities in
the broader Free Software world -- that it makes little sense for me
to remain a member of one where the leadership personally attacks
those who suggest simple notions such as "let's be more transparent"
(an implied criticism that is as much about my own failings, as a
past Board Member, as anyone).
The responses received from some openSUSE Board members were profane,
rude, slanderous... and just plain not nice.
I have many friends in this community -- a community that has done
some truly exceptional work. Many of you have *much* to be proud of.
And I will do my best to not let the words and actions of some of
the Board impact my views of the good work that you have done and, I
hope, will do in the future. For the technology you have produced --
and the friendship you have shared -- I will always be in your debt.
That said, the Board has created a negative, cruel atmosphere that I
do not want any part of. Perhaps one day that will change but, for
now, it is time to separate myself entirely and to focus on the
communities with much less hate; To surround myself with love,
instead.
I do not expect any other people to take this action -- nor do I wish
this to cause any additional unhappiness or conflict among the
community. It is simply an action I must take, and I want my
thoughts (whether any agree with them or not) to be stated.
I request that I be removed from the openSUSE membership list. I
will unsubscribe myself from the various mailing lists this evening.
I wish you all (and I do mean *all*) the very best.
While I feel like we could have done a better job on the front of
last conversations on mailing lists, it was certainly nice and
valuable to have you as one of us.
I wish you good luck with other open source projects, and I hope to
see you around openSUSE in the future despite of the differences that
we share.
LCP [Stasiek]
https://lcp.world
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11:53 a.m.
On 08/26/2018 04:27 AM, Bryan Lunduke wrote:
To the openSUSE community,
There are so many wonderful, inspiring projects and communities in the
broader Free Software world -- that it makes little sense for me to
remain a member of one where the leadership personally attacks those who
suggest simple notions such as "let's be more transparent" (an implied
criticism that is as much about my own failings, as a past Board Member,
as anyone).
The responses received from some openSUSE Board members were profane,
rude, slanderous... and just plain not nice.
I have many friends in this community -- a community that has done some
truly exceptional work. Many of you have *much* to be proud of. And I
will do my best to not let the words and actions of some of the Board
impact my views of the good work that you have done and, I hope, will do
in the future. For the technology you have produced -- and the
friendship you have shared -- I will always be in your debt.
That said, the Board has created a negative, cruel atmosphere that I do
not want any part of. Perhaps one day that will change but, for now, it
is time to separate myself entirely and to focus on the communities with
much less hate; To surround myself with love, instead.
I do not expect any other people to take this action -- nor do I wish
this to cause any additional unhappiness or conflict among the
community. It is simply an action I must take, and I want my thoughts
(whether any agree with them or not) to be stated.
I request that I be removed from the openSUSE membership list. I will
unsubscribe myself from the various mailing lists this evening.
I wish you all (and I do mean *all*) the very best.
-Bryan Lunduke
I'm very sorry to hear this :-(
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7:10 p.m.
Hello,
Am Sonntag, 26. August 2018, 04:27:33 CEST schrieb Bryan Lunduke:
There are so many wonderful, inspiring projects and
communities in the
broader Free Software world -- that it makes little sense for me to
remain a member of one where the leadership personally attacks those
who suggest simple notions such as "let's be more transparent" (an
implied criticism that is as much about my own failings, as a past
Board Member, as anyone).
There is a fine line between "being fully transparent" and "being as
transparent as possible". The details and (dis)advantages of both ways
have already been mentioned by several people, therefore I won't repeat
them.
IMHO we are very close to "as transparent as possible" even if it
sometimes "hurts" *), like in this case which you summed up as
"forbidden / discouraged from discussing". BTW, this doesn't apply to
any board member (not even one, as you try to imply by asking for "any
other"), and if someone tried to silence me, I'd simply ignore it.
Oh, and we could easily have avoided this discussion by simply not
mentioning in the minutes that we discussed this topic ;-)
I'm aware that I could easily paint myself into a corner with the above
statements, and I'll happily take that risk.
*) with "hurts" (note the quotes), I don't want to imply that I dislike
public discussions about what the board decided. Actually I like these
discussions, because a) we get feedback this way and b) we know that
people care about what we do ;-)
The responses received from some openSUSE Board
members were profane,
rude, slanderous... and just plain not nice.
.. says someone who can be way more sarcastic than I - and that
probably means something ;-)
Playing devil's advocate, and I'll clearly tag the following paragraph:
<sarcasm>
You asked for transparency, and now you don't like that some people were
very transparent about their opinion about you?
</sarcasm>
BTW: Unless I overlooked something, no board member said something about
you that qualifies as slanderousness. If you disagree, please point out
(in public or a private mail, whatever you prefer) what exactly was
slanderous, and I'll have a second look.
I request that I be removed from the openSUSE
membership list.
We are a do-ocracy even when it comes to this ;-)
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https://connect.opensuse.org/pg/groups/111 then login and click the
"Leave group" link in the left column.
Regards,
Christian Boltz
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7:30 p.m.
Christian Boltz wrote:
Hello,
Am Sonntag, 26. August 2018, 04:27:33 CEST schrieb Bryan Lunduke:
I might very well vote for you again, Christian.
There are so many wonderful, inspiring projects
and communities in
the broader Free Software world -- that it makes little sense for me
to remain a member of one where the leadership personally attacks
those who suggest simple notions such as "let's be more transparent"
(an implied criticism that is as much about my own failings, as a
past Board Member, as anyone).
There is a fine line between "being fully transparent" and "being as
transparent as possible". The details and (dis)advantages of both ways
have already been mentioned by several people, therefore I won't
repeat them.
IMHO we are very close to "as transparent as possible" even if it
sometimes "hurts" *), like in this case which you summed up as
"forbidden / discouraged from discussing". BTW, this doesn't apply to
any board member (not even one, as you try to imply by asking for "any
other"), and if someone tried to silence me, I'd simply ignore it.
I'm aware that I could easily paint myself into a corner with the
above statements, and I'll happily take that risk. *) with "hurts" (note the quotes), I
don't want to imply that I
dislike public discussions about what the board decided. Actually I
like these discussions, because
a) we get feedback this way and
b) we know that people care about what we do ;-)
Two immensely important points, I think.
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27 Aug
27 Aug
10:21 a.m.
New subject: Aw: Re: [opensuse-project] Formally resigning my openSUSE membership
Gesendet: Sonntag, 26. August 2018 um 19:30 Uhr
Von: "Per Jessen" <per(a)computer.org>
An: opensuse-project(a)opensuse.org
Betreff: Re: [opensuse-project] Formally resigning my openSUSE membership
Christian Boltz wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Am Sonntag, 26. August 2018, 04:27:33 CEST schrieb Bryan Lunduke:
>> There are so many wonderful, inspiring projects and communities in
>> the broader Free Software world -- that it makes little sense for me
>> to remain a member of one where the leadership personally attacks
>> those who suggest simple notions such as "let's be more
transparent"
>> (an implied criticism that is as much about my own failings, as a
>> past Board Member, as anyone).
>
> There is a fine line between "being fully transparent" and "being as
> transparent as possible". The details and (dis)advantages of both ways
> have already been mentioned by several people, therefore I won't
> repeat them.
>
> IMHO we are very close to "as transparent as possible" even if it
> sometimes "hurts" *), like in this case which you summed up as
> "forbidden / discouraged from discussing". BTW, this doesn't apply to
> any board member (not even one, as you try to imply by asking for "any
> other"), and if someone tried to silence me, I'd simply ignore it.
This new transparency i good and a big plus for openSUSE.
In the past the openSUSE Board voted for you and and you didn't know what we do.
Now you know that and you can give us feedback.
The bad side of that is that (Christian sain that correct) you can hurt yourself with such
a transparency.
Some weeks ago I wrote the Board meeting minutes like some of you want to have (names with
their opinions).
That was the first version and we said that it is too much transparent. We had a small
discussion about this topic.
At the end we said that we don't use names and represent all with the view of the full
Board.
In every Board you can have different opinions. That is the reason for disussions in Board
meetings.
Anybody has an idea and sometimes one guy doesn't stay behind that. What should we do
with this idea, if all other Board Members are convinced?
We can write down that 1 vote is against it, but the rest of the Board is for that and so
the idea is approved.
From my point of view we should see published Board
meeting minutes as the chance to receive feedback by the community to improve what was
going not perfectly.
Best regards,
Sarah
I'm aware that I could easily paint myself into a corner with the
above statements, and I'll happily take that risk.
I might very well vote for you again, Christian.
*) with "hurts" (note the quotes), I
don't want to imply that I
dislike public discussions about what the board decided. Actually I
like these discussions, because
a) we get feedback this way and
b) we know that people care about what we do ;-)
Two immensely important points, I think.
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28 Aug
28 Aug
10:21 a.m.
Am Sonntag, 26. August 2018, 04:27:33 CEST schrieb Bryan Lunduke:
To the openSUSE community,
Hey Bryan,
as a friend...
Have a good time and keep on enjoying the benefits of the OSS world! I don't
think your step is a big surprise, I rather think it is a consistent one. I
don't think feelings should matter, but when they limit one's ability to fully
dedicate or feel for a project and henceforth follow other goals, then your
way is the right way to go. And as we all know: Sometimes feelings do not
align with reality, but there's also sometimes no way to get the real things
in line with the show or big picture (am I using the right metaphor here?).
:-)
It was always nice working with you, I wish it had been much more often.
Have a good time, Sir Duke. Good riddance. :-P
There are so many wonderful, inspiring projects and
communities in the
broader Free Software world -- that it makes little sense for me to
remain a member of one where the leadership personally attacks those who
suggest simple notions such as "let's be more transparent" (an implied
criticism that is as much about my own failings, as a past Board Member,
as anyone).
The responses received from some openSUSE Board members were profane,
rude, slanderous... and just plain not nice.
I have many friends in this community -- a community that has done some
truly exceptional work. Many of you have *much* to be proud of. And I
will do my best to not let the words and actions of some of the Board
impact my views of the good work that you have done and, I hope, will do
in the future. For the technology you have produced -- and the
friendship you have shared -- I will always be in your debt.
That said, the Board has created a negative, cruel atmosphere that I do
not want any part of. Perhaps one day that will change but, for now, it
is time to separate myself entirely and to focus on the communities with
much less hate; To surround myself with love, instead.
I do not expect any other people to take this action -- nor do I wish
this to cause any additional unhappiness or conflict among the
community. It is simply an action I must take, and I want my thoughts
(whether any agree with them or not) to be stated.
I request that I be removed from the openSUSE membership list. I will
unsubscribe myself from the various mailing lists this evening.
I wish you all (and I do mean *all*) the very best.
-Bryan Lunduke
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2 Sep
8:13 p.m.
Hi,
I am sad to read that and also really disappointed with the tone of
some of the discussions in the mailing list and that some people got
offended (I have just read and answered the minutes thread).
I strongly believe that in openSUSE we want as many new people as
possible to join and also that everybody already here stays. I am
pretty sure that the rest of the Board agrees with me. Also, remember
that openSUSE is much more that the 6 persons in the board.
Regards,
Ana
El dom., 26 ago. 2018 a las 4:27, Bryan Lunduke (<bryan(a)lunduke.com>) escribió:
To the openSUSE community,
There are so many wonderful, inspiring projects and communities in the
broader Free Software world -- that it makes little sense for me to
remain a member of one where the leadership personally attacks those who
suggest simple notions such as "let's be more transparent" (an implied
criticism that is as much about my own failings, as a past Board Member,
as anyone).
The responses received from some openSUSE Board members were profane,
rude, slanderous... and just plain not nice.
I have many friends in this community -- a community that has done some
truly exceptional work. Many of you have *much* to be proud of. And I
will do my best to not let the words and actions of some of the Board
impact my views of the good work that you have done and, I hope, will do
in the future. For the technology you have produced -- and the
friendship you have shared -- I will always be in your debt.
That said, the Board has created a negative, cruel atmosphere that I do
not want any part of. Perhaps one day that will change but, for now, it
is time to separate myself entirely and to focus on the communities with
much less hate; To surround myself with love, instead.
I do not expect any other people to take this action -- nor do I wish
this to cause any additional unhappiness or conflict among the
community. It is simply an action I must take, and I want my thoughts
(whether any agree with them or not) to be stated.
I request that I be removed from the openSUSE membership list. I will
unsubscribe myself from the various mailing lists this evening.
I wish you all (and I do mean *all*) the very best.
-Bryan Lunduke
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8:20 p.m.
Op zondag 2 september 2018 20:13:04 CEST schreef Ana Martínez:
Hi,
I am sad to read that and also really disappointed with the tone of
some of the discussions in the mailing list and that some people got
offended (I have just read and answered the minutes thread).
I strongly believe that in openSUSE we want as many new people as
possible to join and also that everybody already here stays. I am
pretty sure that the rest of the Board agrees with me. Also, remember
that openSUSE is much more that the 6 persons in the board.\
Amen, Ana. IMHO the whole discussion ( and yes, I was harsh, rude, again I
apologize ) is nothing more than the path to what we, as the openSUSE
community, and the openSUSE Board, are on a quest for. That is not an easy
process, since f.e. privacy of individuals is a big concern. Individuals
inside and outside the Board.
Regards,
Ana
El dom., 26 ago. 2018 a las 4:27, Bryan Lunduke (<bryan(a)lunduke.com>)
escribió:
> To the openSUSE community,
>
> There are so many wonderful, inspiring projects and communities in the
> broader Free Software world -- that it makes little sense for me to
> remain a member of one where the leadership personally attacks those who
> suggest simple notions such as "let's be more transparent" (an
implied
> criticism that is as much about my own failings, as a past Board Member,
> as anyone).
>
> The responses received from some openSUSE Board members were profane,
> rude, slanderous... and just plain not nice.
>
> I have many friends in this community -- a community that has done some
> truly exceptional work. Many of you have *much* to be proud of. And I
> will do my best to not let the words and actions of some of the Board
> impact my views of the good work that you have done and, I hope, will do
> in the future. For the technology you have produced -- and the
> friendship you have shared -- I will always be in your debt.
>
> That said, the Board has created a negative, cruel atmosphere that I do
> not want any part of. Perhaps one day that will change but, for now, it
> is time to separate myself entirely and to focus on the communities with
> much less hate; To surround myself with love, instead.
>
> I do not expect any other people to take this action -- nor do I wish
> this to cause any additional unhappiness or conflict among the
> community. It is simply an action I must take, and I want my thoughts
> (whether any agree with them or not) to be stated.
>
> I request that I be removed from the openSUSE membership list. I will
> unsubscribe myself from the various mailing lists this evening.
>
> I wish you all (and I do mean *all*) the very best.
>
> -Bryan Lunduke
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