3 Apr
2007
3 Apr
'07
11:02 a.m.
Hi,
Within the framework of the new web design of *.opensuse.org, we are also discussing the
mission statement for the
openSUSE project and we would love to receive your input.
A mission statement - a clear and succinct representation of openSUSE project, a so
called "one-liner"
e.g. * openSUSE - Built to fit!
* openSUSE - Have a lot of fun!
* openSUSE - Caffeine for your machine!
* The openSUSE project - A real alternative!
* openSUSE - It's a wild thing!
* openSUSE - An unlimited alternative!
* openSUSE - The adaptable and innovative solution!
It should be included/supported by a set of our values such as open, leading edge
distribution, fits everywhere, best
of open source, innovative, user-friendly, comprehensive, etc.
We will select the best three mission statements for further discussion and finally reward
the best input with a 50cm
stuffed Tux.
We are looking forward to your ideas.
Thanks in advance,
Sabine Soellheim
Product Marketing Manager
Novell SUSE Linux Products GmbH
Maxfeldstr. 5
90409 Nürnberg
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3 Apr
11:50 a.m.
On 2007-04-03 09:02, Sabine Soellheim wrote:
Hi,
Within the framework of the new web design of *.opensuse.org, we are also discussing the
mission statement for the
openSUSE project and we would love to receive your input.
A mission statement - a clear and succinct representation of openSUSE project, a so
called "one-liner"
e.g. * openSUSE - Built to fit!
* openSUSE - Have a lot of fun!
* openSUSE - Caffeine for your machine!
* The openSUSE project - A real alternative!
* openSUSE - It's a wild thing!
* openSUSE - An unlimited alternative!
* openSUSE - The adaptable and innovative solution!
No offence, Sabine, but you marketing types really need to get out into
the fresh air more :-)
openSUSE - A real alternative.
or maybe, remotely, "an unlimited alternative", but I really don't like it.
The others, except for the last one, are just silly. The last one
requires the reader to think, and I'll say no more about that ;-)
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12:01 p.m.
On Tue, Apr 03, 2007 at 09:50:24AM -0600, Darryl Gregorash wrote:
The others, except for the last one, are just silly.
Well, "Have a lot of fun ;-)" has been used with/on SuSE for as long
as I can remember, it would be nice to keep it around somewhere. (Like,
on T-Shirts to give out at the next conference? ;-))
I also from the beginning liked darix' "openSUSE is good for you", and
for the build service, "buil{d,t} to share" came up in some brain
storming session a long time ago.
I wouldn't call it "mission statement", though, I'd hope that would be
more than a (marketing) slogan.
cheers,
Sonja
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12:29 p.m.
On Apr 03, 07 18:01:14 +0200, Sonja Krause-Harder wrote:
Well, "Have a lot of fun ;-)" has been used
with/on SuSE for as long
as I can remember, it would be nice to keep it around somewhere. (Like,
on T-Shirts to give out at the next conference? ;-))
I also like "Remember to have fun" -- best said, when things
become less funny.
I wouldn't call it "mission statement",
though, I'd hope that would be
more than a (marketing) slogan.
Right, those are all just slogans.
The mission statement is simply 'world domination',
but we don't tell anybody. :-)
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On Tuesday 03 April 2007 11:01, Sonja Krause-Harder wrote:
openSUSE is good for you
+1
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3:17 a.m.
Sonja Krause-Harder wrote:
On Tue, Apr 03, 2007 at 09:50:24AM -0600, Darryl
Gregorash wrote:
* I don't really understand _where_ or _when_ will this be used? is it
on the main wiki page or as a greeting at the launch of the console
interface?
* we must think on i18n (internationalisation). Free can't be
translated simply.
* if it's a public (ie wiki) use, we should include the words
"GNU/Linux" Linux is a very well and appreciated name nowaday :-)
openSUSE - GNU/Linux for open minds is a nice one
openSUSE - GNU/Linux open your windows (joking)
we could also keep a handfull of slogans and display it as "fortune"
do, randomly...
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The others, except for the last one, are just
silly.
Well, "Have a lot of fun ;-)" has been used with/on SuSE for as long
as I can remember,
10:56 a.m.
On 2007-04-04 01:17, jdd sur free wrote:
<snip>
openSUSE - GNU/Linux open your windows (joking)
Joking? What do you mean? After Sabine runs my Penguin/Mac ad and
demolishes them, she can run an ad where the PC dude (still in the
penguin suit) walks into an empty, somewhat darkened, room with a window
painted in the Windows-logo, smashes the glass, and the light pours in.
(Fade out to Novell logo, voiceover "openSUSE -- Linux opens your windows")
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6:21 a.m.
On Tuesday 03 April 2007 11:01, Sonja Krause-Harder wrote:
Well, "Have a lot of fun ;-)" has been used
with/on SuSE for as long
as I can remember, it would be nice to keep it around somewhere.
+1, especially for those of us who've been using it for many years...
I remember a green-haired Bodo Bauer demoing it at ALS '97, check out
the slogans in the picture:
http://www.linuxshowcase.org/1997/event-img/misc/misc7b.jpg
(Like, on T-Shirts to give out at the next conference?
;-))
I'd love one :)
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3:50 a.m.
On Wednesday 04 April 2007 06:21, Glenn Holmer wrote:
On Tuesday 03 April 2007 11:01, Sonja Krause-Harder
wrote:
openSUSE - Opiate for the masses! ....just kidding
openSUSE - refresh your desktop!
openSUSE - open your computer and your mind will follow!
openSUSE - unlocked, for you!
openSUSE - open systems and software designs!
openSUSE - ready, willing and able!
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Well, "Have a lot of fun ;-)" has been
used with/on SuSE for as long
as I can remember, it would be nice to keep it around somewhere.
+1, especially for those of us who've been using it for many years...
I remember a green-haired Bodo Bauer demoing it at ALS '97, check out
the slogans in the picture:
http://www.linuxshowcase.org/1997/event-img/misc/misc7b.jpg
(Like, on T-Shirts to give out at the next
conference? ;-))
10:59 a.m.
On 2007-04-04 01:50, James Tremblay wrote:
<snip>
openSUSE - open your computer and your mind will follow!
This one is good, but risky. It comes dangerously close to insulting the
very people it is intended to influence.
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3 Apr
12:02 p.m.
Den Tuesday 03 April 2007 17:50:24 skrev Darryl Gregorash:
No offence, Sabine, but you marketing types really
need to get out into
the fresh air more :-)
No offense, but Sabine's just trying to encourage you to make better
suggestions. Those are not real suggestions, just examples.
I have come up with a few, that emphasize what openSUSE is and should be
about, imho.
openSUSE - Power and control
openSUSE - More power to you
openSUSE - Powerful together
.. here are some of the ideas I discarded.
openSUSE - _not_ Linux for human beings
openSUSE - lean, mean and green
openSUSE - we want to sue everybody over patents
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2:29 p.m.
On 2007-04-03 10:02, Martin Schlander wrote:
Den Tuesday 03 April 2007 17:50:24 skrev Darryl
Gregorash:
Sabine might take offence at your idea that her suggestions are not real
:-) And no offence to you either, but "a real alternative" still seems
to me to be the best idea yet, given the OS market as it is today.
No offence, Sabine, but you marketing types
really need to get out into
the fresh air more :-)
No offense, but Sabine's just trying to encourage you to make better
suggestions. Those are not real suggestions, just examples.
<snip>
.. here are some of the ideas I discarded.
And it is a good thing that you did, especially the first one :-)
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3:43 p.m.
On Tuesday 03 April 2007 20:29:03 Darryl Gregorash wrote:
:-) And no offence to you either, but "a real
alternative" still seems
to me to be the best idea yet, given the OS market as it is today.
And to me it seems like marketing suicide to label yourself as "an
alternative"
It may be the truth, but since when is marketing about the truth
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3:38 a.m.
On Tuesday 03 April 2007 10:43:07 pm Anders Johansson wrote:
On Tuesday 03 April 2007 20:29:03 Darryl Gregorash
wrote:
Absolutely, just how long are we Linux types still gonna be "the
alternatives"? Screw that! We're standing vertically, we are kicking ass.
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:-) And no offence to you either, but "a
real alternative" still seems
to me to be the best idea yet, given the OS market as it is today.
And to me it seems like marketing suicide to label yourself as "an
alternative"
10:48 a.m.
On 2007-04-04 01:38, Silviu Marin-Caea wrote:
On Tuesday 03 April 2007 10:43:07 pm Anders Johansson
wrote:
Over 95% of the market views Mac as the /only/ alternative to The
Company From Redmond, if they bother to think about it at all. Linux
does not even appear on their radar screens.
The target is that share of the market that is being influenced by the
current set of Mac ads. If you do not catch their attention, Linux goes
nowhere. Realistically, Windows is not even the proper thing to compete
against right now. I'd like to see an ad something like the following:
PC dude walks out in a penguin suit. Mac dude looks shocked, fear
spreads across his face as he cries, "Oh no, not again!"
PC dude kicks the sh** out of Mac dude.
Fade out to Novell logo, fade to openSUSE logo with caption (and voice)
"SuSELinux, the *real* alternative".
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On Tuesday 03 April 2007 20:29:03 Darryl
Gregorash wrote:
Absolutely, just how long are we Linux types still gonna be "the
alternatives"? Screw that! We're standing vertically, we are kicking ass.
:-) And no offence to you either, but "a
real alternative" still seems
to me to be the best idea yet, given the OS market as it is today.
And to me it seems like marketing suicide to label yourself as "an
alternative"
3 Apr
3 Apr
12:39 p.m.
Sabine Soellheim wrote:
Hi,
Within the framework of the new web design of *.opensuse.org, we are also discussing the
mission statement for the
openSUSE project and we would love to receive your input.
A mission statement - a clear and succinct representation of openSUSE project, a so
called "one-liner"
e.g. * openSUSE - Built to fit!
* openSUSE - Have a lot of fun!
* openSUSE - Caffeine for your machine!
* The openSUSE project - A real alternative!
* openSUSE - It's a wild thing!
* openSUSE - An unlimited alternative!
* openSUSE - The adaptable and innovative solution!
It should be included/supported by a set of our values such as open, leading edge
distribution, fits everywhere, best
of open source, innovative, user-friendly, comprehensive, etc.
We will select the best three mission statements for further discussion and finally
reward the best input with a 50cm
stuffed Tux.
We are looking forward to your ideas.
Thanks in advance,
Sabine Soellheim
Product Marketing Manager
Novell SUSE Linux Products GmbH
Maxfeldstr. 5
90409 Nürnberg
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openSUSE - Amazing excellence
openSUSE - Delightful computing
openSUSE - Just works!
openSUSE - Kicking ass! ;-)
openSUSE - Premium performance
openSUSE - Elegant computing
/J
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3:58 a.m.
On Tuesday 03 April 2007 07:39:43 pm Jan Karjalainen wrote:
openSUSE - Just works!
Would be great if it always did. But there are times when it doesn't, so this
is risky.
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I like "openSUSE - Built to fit" best.
What about: "openSUSE- the adaptable Linux"
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I like "openSUSE - Built to fit" best.
What about: "openSUSE- the adaptable Linux"
It sounds a bit too much Oracle-style ;-)
Alberto
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1:21 p.m.
On Tuesday 03 April 2007 17:02:46 Sabine Soellheim wrote:
Hi,
Within the framework of the new web design of *.opensuse.org, we are also
discussing the mission statement for the openSUSE project and we would love
to receive your input.
A mission statement - a clear and succinct representation of openSUSE
project, a so called "one-liner" e.g. * openSUSE - Built to fit!
openSUSE - Collaboration means progress
openSUSE - The best of the best
openSUSE - The machine should be open
or perhaps
openSUSE - A mean, green fighting machine
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Or, given that it is a cameleon:
openSUSE - changes with you...
openSUSE - evolves with you, by you...
Hugo Costelha
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7:48 p.m.
On Tue, 2007-04-03 at 17:02 +0200, Sabine Soellheim wrote:
Hi,
Within the framework of the new web design of *.opensuse.org, we are also discussing the
mission statement for the
openSUSE project and we would love to receive your input.
A mission statement - a clear and succinct representation of openSUSE project, a so
called "one-liner"
e.g. * openSUSE - Built to fit!
* openSUSE - Have a lot of fun!
* openSUSE - Caffeine for your machine!
* The openSUSE project - A real alternative!
* openSUSE - It's a wild thing!
* openSUSE - An unlimited alternative!
* openSUSE - The adaptable and innovative solution!
It should be included/supported by a set of our values such as open, leading edge
distribution, fits everywhere, best
of open source, innovative, user-friendly, comprehensive, etc.
We will select the best three mission statements for further discussion and finally
reward the best input with a 50cm
stuffed Tux.
We are looking forward to your ideas.
Thanks in advance,
Sabine Soellheim
Product Marketing Manager
openSUSE - No drugs needed
(No, I'm not serious)
Cheers,
Magnus
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Sorry, couldn't resist...
openSUSE - The natural alternative to pain killers
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New subject: [opensuse-project] Mission statement for openSUSE - Page on the wiki?
On Tue, 2007-04-03 at 17:02 +0200, Sabine Soellheim wrote:
Hi,
Within the framework of the new web design of *.opensuse.org, we are also discussing the
mission statement for the
openSUSE project and we would love to receive your input.
A mission statement - a clear and succinct representation of openSUSE project, a so
called "one-liner"
e.g. * openSUSE - Built to fit!
* openSUSE - Have a lot of fun!
* openSUSE - Caffeine for your machine!
* The openSUSE project - A real alternative!
* openSUSE - It's a wild thing!
* openSUSE - An unlimited alternative!
* openSUSE - The adaptable and innovative solution!
It should be included/supported by a set of our values such as open, leading edge
distribution, fits everywhere, best
of open source, innovative, user-friendly, comprehensive, etc.
We will select the best three mission statements for further discussion and finally
reward the best input with a 50cm
stuffed Tux.
We are looking forward to your ideas.
Thanks in advance,
Sabine Soellheim
Product Marketing Manager
Can we perhaps create a page on the WIKI with all the suggestions? That
way it's easier to add to...
openSUSE - No Worries
openSUSE - Don't worry, Be Happy
Thanks,
Magnus
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New subject: [opensuse-project] Mission statement for openSUSE - Page on the wiki?
On Tuesday 03 April 2007 18:59, Magnus Boman wrote:
Can we perhaps create a page on the WIKI with all the
suggestions? That
way it's easier to add to...
Done.
http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Slogan
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New subject: [opensuse-project] Mission statement for openSUSE - Page on the wiki?
Rajko,
Thank you for creating a WIKI page. It's a very good idea.
And thanks to all the suggestion we received so far. Great. There some really good one. We
will start the selection
process after the easter break.
Please feel also free to create also a sentence like e.g. openSUSE is the best and
innovative distribution available.
We want something brief only. Something people memorize and associate with the openSUSE
project. Maybe something you
describe openSUSE to others. etc We are not limited to a "slogan".
I look forward to your input.
Many thanks,
Sabine
>> "Rajko M."
<rmatov101(a)charter.net> 04/04/07 2:56 AM >>>
On Tuesday 03 April
2007 18:59, Magnus Boman wrote:
Can we perhaps create a page on the WIKI with all the
suggestions? That
way it's easier to add to...
Done.
http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Slogan
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New subject: [opensuse-project] Mission statement for openSUSE - Page on the wiki?
On Wednesday 04 April 2007 01:49, Sabine Soellheim wrote:
Rajko,
Thank you for creating a WIKI page. It's a very good idea.
And thanks to all the suggestion we received so far. Great. There some
really good one. We will start the selection process after the easter
break.
Please feel also free to create also a sentence like e.g. openSUSE is the
best and innovative distribution available. We want something brief only.
Something people memorize and associate with the openSUSE project. Maybe
something you describe openSUSE to others. etc We are not limited to a
"slogan".
I look forward to your input.
Many thanks,
Sabine
The idea was given by Magnus and I liked it, I was logged in and what is
easier than to make a page :-)
I see it worked fine.
....
On Tuesday 03 April 2007 18:59, Magnus Boman wrote:
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Can we perhaps create a page on the WIKI with all
the suggestions? That
way it's easier to add to...
Done.
http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Slogan
2:26 p.m.
New subject: [opensuse-project] Mission statement for openSUSE - Page on the wiki?
On Wednesday 04 April 2007 02:56:30 Rajko M. wrote:
On Tuesday 03 April 2007 18:59, Magnus Boman wrote:
Any particular reason you didn't include mine? Were they so bad?
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Can we perhaps create a page on the WIKI with all
the suggestions? That
way it's easier to add to...
Done.
http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Slogan 
2:27 p.m.
New subject: [opensuse-project] Slogan
How about
openSUSE - Linux at its best
or
openSUSE - The power of Linux
don't know if those are already mentioned
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New subject: [opensuse-project] Mission statement for openSUSE - Page on the wiki?
On Wednesday 04 April 2007 13:26, Anders Johansson wrote:
On Wednesday 04 April 2007 02:56:30 Rajko M. wrote:
Oversite.
I added 2 that I like.
BTW, it is a wiki.
Many were diligent adding proposals.
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On Tuesday 03 April 2007 18:59, Magnus Boman
wrote:
Any particular reason you didn't include mine? Were they so bad?
Can we perhaps create a page on the WIKI with all
the suggestions? That
way it's easier to add to...
Done.
http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Slogan 
10:39 p.m.
New subject: [opensuse-project] Mission statement for openSUSE - Page on the wiki?
On Wed, 4 Apr 2007, Rajko M. wrote:
On Wednesday 04 April 2007 13:26, Anders Johansson
wrote:
> On Wednesday 04 April 2007 02:56:30 Rajko M. wrote:
> > On Tuesday 03 April 2007 18:59, Magnus Boman wrote:
> > > Can we perhaps create a page on the WIKI with all the suggestions? That
> > > way it's easier to add to...
> >
> > Done.
> > http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Slogan
I added 3 that I like.
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2:11 p.m.
В сообщении от 3 апреля 2007 Sabine Soellheim написал(a):
Hi,
Within the framework of the new web design of *.opensuse.org, we are also
discussing the mission statement for the openSUSE project and we would love
to receive your input.
My two pennies...
First of all, in my opinion it should avoid using any "not" or "no" in
slogans. Phrase "openSUSE is _alternative_" is lame, openSUSE is not an
alternative at all! It's better, incomparable!
My proposals (not sure whether they are already mentioned somewhere):
openSUSE - Simply Change (using "geeko" theme)
openSUSE - Smarter Choice
...and the most adventurous:
openSUSE - This Is The Linux ;)
And also I like very much the proposal that reflects the essence of openSUSE,
its aim:
openSUSE - Just Works
At least this is the ideal, but I'm not agree with the point that openSUSE is
a distribution for playing with or having fun...
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3:39 p.m.
On Apr 04, 07 22:11:48 +0400, Nikolay Derkach wrote:
First of all, in my opinion it should avoid using any "not" or "no"
in
slogans.
Yes,
Let us avoid any negative vocabulary. Phrase it in positive form.
My proposals (not sure whether they are already
mentioned somewhere):
openSUSE - Simply Change (using "geeko" theme)
openSUSE - Smarter Choice
...and the most adventurous:
openSUSE - This Is The Linux ;)
And also I like very much the proposal that reflects the essence of openSUSE,
its aim:
openSUSE - Just Works
At least this is the ideal, but I'm not agree with the point that openSUSE is
a distribution for playing with or having fun...
All these may be nice slogans, but do these slogans qualify as
mission statements?
Anything that is just a statement of facts (true or wrong) does
not tell much about the why of our daily work.
A mission statement could hint at a goal and
may also call for action to achive such goal.
It should not give cause for doubt.
Superlatives like 'everybody, 'world's most usable' cause me to frown.
Your 'Just works' lead me to this one:
openSUSE - make the machine work.
Oh well, so much for my theory.
I still favour 'openSUSE is good for you', but cannot tell why.
Other attempts at defining 'mission statement'?
I guess it could also be a long and winding 'we want this and that and do
and dont because and thus ...' --
but a short one-liner, that is both a mission statement and a slogan would
just be perfect.
cheers,
Jw.
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5:52 p.m.
Juergen Weigert wrote:
openSUSE - make the machine work.
openSUSE - and your computer works
openSUSE - enjoy your work
openSUSE - enjoy your day
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5:08 a.m.
On Apr 04, 07 23:52:50 +0200, jdd sur free wrote:
Juergen Weigert wrote:
Bingo. Now it cannot possibly get any better. :-)
thanks,
Jw.
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openSUSE - make the machine work.
openSUSE - enjoy your work
5:54 a.m.
On Thu, Apr 05, 2007 at 11:08:05AM +0200, Juergen Weigert wrote:
Only work? No play? ;-)
What about
openSUSE - enjoy Linux
?
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openSUSE -
enjoy your work
Bingo. Now it cannot possibly get any better. :-)
6 a.m.
On Thu, 5 Apr 2007, Sonja Krause-Harder wrote:
On Thu, Apr 05, 2007 at 11:08:05AM +0200, Juergen
Weigert wrote:
Only work? No play? ;-)
What about
openSUSE - enjoy Linux
openSUSE - Only the Best!
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openSUSE
- enjoy your work
Bingo. Now it cannot possibly get any better. :-) 
6 Apr
6 Apr
8:31 p.m.
On 2007-04-05T04:00:06, Boyd Lynn Gerber <gerberb(a)zenez.com> wrote:
I read through the openSUSE:Slogan page, and while there's some good
attempts, a number of them might require a little bit more work. If one
insists on having a slogan, let me try to offer some ideas about the
language which might be useful:
Do not rehash clichés. ("Don't worry, be happy.") This also implies not
imitating existing slogans with minute differences.
Anything with more than 10 syllables probably can be scrapped right
away, anything with more than 5 words is dangerous as well.
Rhymes are out as well.
The cadences must work and flow.
It needs to be witty and contain some slightly unexpected twist, but
still be accessible to everyone cross-culture.
Several exclamation marks are still the sign of a sick mind, and I'd
argue that any exclamation mark is a bad idea.
Don't use something which has to _explicitly_ state one of the
properties of openSUSE ("Free by design!") or is overly blunt, it
creates but a mockery.
Kick out anything which doesn't resonate with the openSUSE image and
target audience.
Reading through the slogans proposed, the properties associated with
openSUSE are openness, freedom, community, technology, engineering,
collaboration, green, high quality, innovation etc. It's hard to reflect
them all, so one has to pick a few and allude to them.
Of course, craftmanship isn't everything. After that, it boils down to a
matter of taste. And style is obvious when you read it, but really hard
work when you try to produce it ;-)
"I was working on the proof of one of my poems all the morning, and took
out a comma. In the afternoon I put it back again."
I hope this is helpful to some -
Good night,
Lars
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openSUSE -
enjoy Linux
openSUSE - Only the Best!
8:51 p.m.
On Saturday 07 April 2007 02:31, Lars Marowsky-Bree wrote:
Do not rehash clichés. ("Don't worry, be
happy.")
I'm pretty sure that was meant as a joke :)
Anything with more than 10 syllables probably can be
scrapped right
away, anything with more than 5 words is dangerous as well.
Rhymes are out as well.
The cadences must work and flow.
It needs to be witty and contain some slightly unexpected twist, but
still be accessible to everyone cross-culture.
It might be a good idea to reflect on some successful slogans from other
companies
Pepsi - The choice of a new generation
is one of the few I can remember off the top of my head. Through google I can
see that they've had many others, but I can honestly only remember that one.
To my mind, it's one of the best corporate slogans ever. It's punchy and
memorable and looks good in an ad
"I was working on the proof of one of my poems
all the morning, and took
out a comma. In the afternoon I put it back again."
Oscar Wilde was a witty man. Pity we don't have him as a writer
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6:50 a.m.
On Friday 06 April 2007 19:51, Anders Johansson wrote:
Interesting.
He used half day to think about effect of one comma.
Would we ever have something memorable with a thought on sword that will cut
on a deadline?
I had some time to look at the page, asking myself:"Is it carved in a stone
that slogan has to begin with 'openSUSE - '?"
No, it isn't. Although, I really like the most:
"openSUSE is good for you."
Rationale:
- Not used as motto anywhere that I know.
- Answering the question:"Why I should buy openSUSE?"
- Being specific and brief about openSUSE involves words from computer jargon,
and that really doesn't cut well in public.
- It can be used as a part of different sentences:
The power of openSUSE is good for you.
The <attribute> of openSUSE is good for you.
The only thing that makes trouble (to me); it is hard to start sentence with
openSUSE. I'm wondering how other solved the problem?
nVidia
http://www.nvidia.com/page/home.html
They resorted to NVIDIA.
opensolaris
http://www.opensolaris.org/os/
They use OpenSolaris.
eBay
http://www.ebay.com/
Is persistent with eBay.
adidas is now Adidas
Not many examples to look at.
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"I was
working on the proof of one of my poems all the morning, and took
out a comma. In the afternoon I put it back again."
Oscar Wilde was a witty man. Pity we don't have him as a writer 
7:12 a.m.
Rajko M. wrote:
[...]
No, it isn't. Although, I really like the most:
"openSUSE is good for you."
Pfff... This is completely boring and meaningless.
Back to the drawing board!
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8:07 a.m.
No, it
isn't. Although, I really like the most:
"openSUSE is good for you."
Pfff... This is completely boring and meaningless.
Back to the drawing board! 
8:11 a.m.
Alberto Passalacqua a écrit :
[...]
All the slogans:
openSUSE - Works out of the box
openSUSE - Only the Best!
openSUSE - Works for you
and so (I just cite some to be short) doesn't state facts about openSUSE
but opinions. I think a slogan should reflect something real about
openSUSE, like freedom, versatility, ease of use and so.
" openSUSE - close to freedom", for instance ?
(to use the open/close relation)
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" openSUSE - close to freedom", for instance ?
(to use the open/close relation)
I'd remove the "close" and replace is with something positive like
"take", for example:
openSUSE - Take your freedom
I still think the user should be the centre of the slogan, and not
openSUSE only ;-)
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On Saturday 07 April 2007 07:20, Alberto Passalacqua wrote:
" openSUSE - close to freedom", for instance
?
Reclaim your freedom with openSUSE.
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(to use the open/close relation)
I'd remove the "close" and replace is with something positive like
"take", for example:
openSUSE - Take your freedom
I still think the user should be the centre of the slogan, and not
openSUSE only ;-)
1:37 p.m.
Rajko M. wrote:
Reclaim your freedom with openSUSE.
OpenSUSE - your freedom
think this will be seen (also) by openSUSE users, not only by users of
other systems
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Thierry Mallard wrote:
> openSUSE - Works for you
openSUSE - always ready for you
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On Saturday 07 April 2007 10:34:10 am jdd sur free wrote:
Thierry Mallard wrote:
openSUSE - Genuine Windows Replacement Part
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> openSUSE - Works for you
openSUSE - always ready for you
8:19 a.m.
On Saturday 07 April 2007 14:07:51 Alberto Passalacqua wrote:
and so (I just cite some to be short) doesn't
state facts about openSUSE
but opinions.
Welcome to the world of marketing
Like I said in my other mail, consider the slogans of other companies. Think
about which slogans you can remember, which slogans you instantly associate
with the product they advertise. Those are the successful slogans.
Honesty and accuracy take second spot. They're "nice to have" but
not "mandatory". Punchiness and usability in an ad is what it's all about
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Honesty and accuracy take second spot. They're
"nice to have" but
not "mandatory". Punchiness and usability in an ad is what it's all about
I agree on accuracy, not on honesty. But, of course, it's a question of
choice and of the kind of connection you want to have with users.
Think to the Novell slogan:
Your linux is ready! Are you?
Does it attract the attention? Yes. Is it convincing? No. Why? Because
it's not true. Together with the comparison with Vista, it's just full
of hype, and users can perceive it immediately. And you loose of
credibility.
The old, definitely more honest,
SuSE - Simply change
worked (and might still work) a lot better, just to cite an example.
Regards,
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On Saturday 07 April 2007 14:28:11 Alberto Passalacqua wrote:
The old, definitely more honest,
SuSE - Simply change
worked
I agree. That is still a better slogan than any I've seen here so far
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Alberto Passalacqua wrote:
SuSE - Simply change
why change?
openSUSE - simply works
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On Saturday 07 April 2007 07:07, Alberto Passalacqua wrote:
> > No, it isn't. Although, I really like
the most:
> > "openSUSE is good for you."
>
> Pfff... This is completely boring and meaningless.
> Back to the drawing board!
Thomas, that is because you have seen it many times.
I agree. I don't think it attracts the attention.
I prefer something
which tells me _why_ openSUSE is good for me, even if it doesn't give me
a complete description of the product, which is not the goal of a slogan
anyway.
That is the job for the second sentence (slogan).
This one already did its job, making you to think:"Why it is good for me?"
People don't know what is openSUSE, telling:
openSUSE is good for you
will attract attention. Than you have chance to answer, what is openSUSE and
why it is good.
All the slogans:
openSUSE - Works out of the box
openSUSE - Only the Best!
openSUSE - Works for you
and so (I just cite some to be short) doesn't state facts about openSUSE
but opinions. I think a slogan should reflect something real about
openSUSE,
What real you can be put in one line?
Let me try:
"openSUSE is one of the largest opensource linux distributions
with a lot of free programs and optimal ratio of new features
versus stability",
Using very little fonts it can be squeezed in one line, but who is going to
take computer vocabulary to translate what it means?
like freedom, versatility, ease of use and so.
Every word when is not in the context can have few meanings, the problem is to
find the sentence that gives meaning.
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Rajko M. wrote:
[ .. "openSUSE is good for you." .. ]
Thomas, that is because you have seen it many times.
It's just plain meaningless in this context. This is a
slogan I could find on the box of the olive spread I use
in the morning at breakfast...
I am pretty sure you won't find a really good slogan on
this list - it's just not the right forum, and many people
here do not even know the basics of marketing etc.
<cynical> If you really need a slogan for marketing to
boost your sales, then it is: "openSUSE - the only legal
Linux". Managers will love it (oops, that's almost a brand
used by McDonald). Or something that needs some brain to
understand: "openSUSE - the Mono culture" </cynical>
Anyway, I stop right here. What I've seen so far doesn't
make sense to me.
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Den Saturday 07 April 2007 12:50:44 skrev Rajko M.:
eBay
http://www.ebay.com/
Is persistent with eBay.
Whatever it is... you can do it with openSUSE!
Slightly ebay-inspired. But openSUSE isn't at the beginning.
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On Saturday 07 April 2007 06:34, Martin Schlander wrote:
Den Saturday 07 April 2007 12:50:44 skrev Rajko M.:
Martin,
"Whatever it is... you can do it with openSUSE."
sounds good to me.
Please add it to the http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Slogan
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http://www.ebay.com/
Is persistent with eBay.
Whatever it is... you can do it with openSUSE!
Slightly ebay-inspired. But openSUSE isn't at the beginning.
5 Apr
5 Apr
5:22 a.m.
On Wed, Apr 04, 2007 at 09:39:42PM +0200, Juergen Weigert wrote:
I still favour 'openSUSE is good for you', but
cannot tell why.
Same here. It has (together with "have a lot of fun ;-)) the best
T-Shirt potential too. But I think you need a certain kind of humour to
like it, which 95% of the people out there lack, so it might be a bit
risky.
openSUSE - a package a day keeps the doctor away
openSUSE - FLOSS every day!
;-)
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4:15 a.m.
В сообщении от 4 апреля 2007 Juergen Weigert написал(a):
All these may be nice slogans, but do these slogans
qualify as
mission statements?
Anything that is just a statement of facts (true or wrong) does
not tell much about the why of our daily work.
A mission statement could hint at a goal and
may also call for action to achive such goal.
It should not give cause for doubt.
Superlatives like 'everybody, 'world's most usable' cause me to frown.
Your 'Just works' lead me to this one:
openSUSE - make the machine work.
Oh well, so much for my theory.
I still favour 'openSUSE is good for you', but cannot tell why.
Other attempts at defining 'mission statement'?
I guess it could also be a long and winding 'we want this and that and do
and dont because and thus ...' --
but a short one-liner, that is both a mission statement and a slogan would
just be perfect.
cheers,
Jw.
I see, how about these:
openSUSE - Change for the better
SUSE acronym means not much for most people and the original meaning is rather
boring, that's why I suggest to refresh it:
openSUSE - open Stable Ultimate Secure Enhanced // just an example of using
abbreviation, needs to develop
openSUSE - Bleeding-edge along with Stability (Bleeding-edge along with
Stability - Possible)
openSUSE - Uptime 24/7
openSUSE - Revive your computer
openSUSE - Fits your needs
openSUSE - Works out of the box (Rox out of the box :)
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We are looking forward to your ideas.
Hi Sabine.
Well there can only be one, right: "openSUSE - take the green pill"
nuff said
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openSUSE - Just Open, Just GNU/Linux
El mié, 04-04-2007 a las 23:58 +0200, Pascal Bleser escribió:
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We are looking forward to your ideas.
Hi Sabine.
Well there can only be one, right: "openSUSE - take the green pill"
nuff said
cheers
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Evening, everyone.
In an effort to involve parts of the community that aren't subscribed to
this mailing list, I took the liberty of creating a post in the Linux
News section of www.suseforums.net. The post points interested members
both to this mailing list and the WIKI page. Hopefully this will garner
more slogan ideas from people who wouldn't normally get the e-mail.
Cheers,
~~ Andrew D. (andrewd18)
Sabine Soellheim wrote:
Hi,
Within the framework of the new web design of *.opensuse.org, we are also discussing the
mission statement for the
openSUSE project and we would love to receive your input.
A mission statement - a clear and succinct representation of openSUSE project, a so
called "one-liner"
e.g. * openSUSE - Built to fit!
* openSUSE - Have a lot of fun!
* openSUSE - Caffeine for your machine!
* The openSUSE project - A real alternative!
* openSUSE - It's a wild thing!
* openSUSE - An unlimited alternative!
* openSUSE - The adaptable and innovative solution!
It should be included/supported by a set of our values such as open, leading edge
distribution, fits everywhere, best
of open source, innovative, user-friendly, comprehensive, etc.
We will select the best three mission statements for further discussion and finally
reward the best input with a 50cm
stuffed Tux.
We are looking forward to your ideas.
Thanks in advance,
Sabine Soellheim
Product Marketing Manager
Novell SUSE Linux Products GmbH
Maxfeldstr. 5
90409 Nürnberg
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In general....
Why do we need a slogan?
I do not see it as necessary.
Ciao, Marcus
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On 2007-04-03 09:02, Sabine Soellheim wrote:
<snip>
Forget everything.. just run the ads on the Novell main webpage,
http://www.novell.com. On TV.
(For those who have not yet seen them, you may need to reload the page until "PC, Mac
-- meet Linux" shows in the advertising box at the top. Then click on the box.)
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How about going back to the SUSE name (Software und System
Entwicklung) with something like:
openSUSE: Software. Evolved.
or
openSUSE: Evolving Software.
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openSUSE - Experience real computing :-)
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On Wed, 4 Apr 2007, Sabine Soellheim wrote:
Hi,
Within the framework of the new web design of *.opensuse.org, we are also
discussing the mission statement for the openSUSE project and we would love
to receive your input.
A mission statement - a clear and succinct representation of openSUSE
project, a so called "one-liner" e.g. * openSUSE - Built to fit!
* openSUSE - Have a lot of fun!
* openSUSE - Caffeine for your machine!
* The openSUSE project - A real alternative!
* openSUSE - It's a wild thing!
* openSUSE - An unlimited alternative!
* openSUSE - The adaptable and innovative solution!
It should be included/supported by a set of our values such as open,
leading edge distribution, fits everywhere, best of open source,
innovative, user-friendly, comprehensive, etc.
Hi all,
Sorry to chime in so late, but the examples given above are examples of
advertising slogans, not mission statements.
Here is Wikipedia's definition of a mission statement:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mission_statement
So why does openSUSE exist at all? What is openSUSE meant to accomplish?
What does the openSUSE project do which is unique?
Eg. "The openSUSE Project takes the SUSE Linux platform to the next stage of
evolution: by providing an open build service which allows the community and
vendors alike to contribute and maintain open source packages which reflect
the current state of the art; by allowing the wide community of openSUSE
users to experience the best integrated and most comprehensive Linux
distribution for home, office and server use; by providing a six-monthly
release cycle with a public beta; and by providing the groundwork for Novell
to produce fully supported rock-solid, stable and enterprise-class Linux
distributions such as SUSE Linux Enterprise Desktop and SUSE Linux Enterprise
Server."
It might be too long. I might have the details wrong, or have the wrong
emphasis, but at least this is an example of a mission statement under the
usual definition of the term. Not an advertising slogan.
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On 4/9/07, Paul C. Leopardi <paul.leopardi(a)iinet.net.au> wrote:
Eg. "The openSUSE Project takes the SUSE Linux
platform to the next stage of
evolution: by providing an open build service which allows the community and
vendors alike to contribute and maintain open source packages which reflect
the current state of the art; by allowing the wide community of openSUSE
users to experience the best integrated and most comprehensive Linux
distribution for home, office and server use; by providing a six-monthly
release cycle with a public beta; and by providing the groundwork for Novell
to produce fully supported rock-solid, stable and enterprise-class Linux
distributions such as SUSE Linux Enterprise Desktop and SUSE Linux Enterprise
Server."
Perhaps it's high time that the Linux distro communities acknowledge
that there are many distro's attempting to enter the enterprise market
-- so perhaps it's time to start looking at how one distro can
differentiate itself from "the pack" and start highlighting what it
has that the others don't. Maybe even have that key differentiating
point or feature highlighted in the mission statements and
advertising.
For one, the blatantly obvious for SUSE is that it now has the company
and (supposedly?) the expertise of the people that put the NetWare NOS
and other groundbreaking Novell products that changed enterprise
computing (ZENworks, NDS, e.t.c..) into the marketplace. Just a
though.
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New subject: [opensuse-project] Mission statement for openSUSE - my proposal
Here is my humble proposal that is I think both slogan and statement ;)
OpenSUSE - Anywhere !
Have a nice day
KaiSVK
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On Monday 09 April 2007 07:45, Paul C. Leopardi wrote:
On Wed, 4 Apr 2007, Sabine Soellheim wrote:
Looking in examples, and demand for a one-liner it was created page:
http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Slogan
that is fastest growing page since I know. I wish that so many contributions
we can see for other content.
I'm used to people that use foreign language, and in case of some
discrepancies between word and examples, I trust example. In this case there
was no complains, so it seems that example told us what was asked.
Hi,
Within the framework of the new web design of *.opensuse.org, we are also
discussing the mission statement for the openSUSE project and we would
love to receive your input.
A mission statement - a clear and succinct representation of openSUSE
project, a so called "one-liner" e.g. * openSUSE - Built to fit!
* openSUSE - Have a lot of fun!
* openSUSE - Caffeine for your machine!
* The openSUSE project - A real alternative!
* openSUSE - It's a wild thing!
* openSUSE - An unlimited alternative!
* openSUSE - The adaptable and innovative solution!
It should be included/supported by a set of our values such as open,
leading edge distribution, fits everywhere, best of open source,
innovative, user-friendly, comprehensive, etc.
Hi all,
Sorry to chime in so late, but the examples given above are examples of
advertising slogans, not mission statements. Here is Wikipedia's definition of a mission
statement:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mission_statement
So why does openSUSE exist at all? What is openSUSE meant to accomplish?
What does the openSUSE project do which is unique?
Eg. "The openSUSE Project takes the SUSE Linux platform to the next stage
of evolution: by providing an open build service which allows the community
and vendors alike to contribute and maintain open source packages which
reflect the current state of the art; by allowing the wide community of
openSUSE users to experience the best integrated and most comprehensive
Linux distribution for home, office and server use; by providing a
six-monthly release cycle with a public beta; and by providing the
groundwork for Novell to produce fully supported rock-solid, stable and
enterprise-class Linux distributions such as SUSE Linux Enterprise Desktop
and SUSE Linux Enterprise Server."
It might be too long. I might have the details wrong, or have the wrong
emphasis, but at least this is an example of a mission statement under the
usual definition of the term. Not an advertising slogan.
The present intro on
http://en.opensuse.org/Welcome_to_openSUSE.org
"The openSUSE project is a worldwide community program sponsored by Novell
that promotes the use of Linux everywhere. The program provides free and easy
access to openSUSE. Here you will find a community of users and developers,
who all have the same goal in mind—to create and distribute the world's most
usable Linux."
is kind of mission statement, but it probably needs some refreshment.
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The openSUSE is a project and a Linux distribution with a strong community
around. Project sponsored by Novell promotes Linux for all our computing
needs. It provides the free infrastructure for the community of users and
developers that aim to create the world's most usable Linux distribution
The openSUSE
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New subject: [opensuse-project] Mission statement for openSUSE - Voting
Thanks to all of you for your great input for an openSUSE slogan.
So that everybody can participate to vote the best slogan, we created a wiki-voting page:
http://en.opensuse.org/Election:OpenSUSE_Slogan
Provided that there is nothing said against it, we pre-selected the 10 best slogan also
based on your input. We will
facilitate the voting until next Friday, 27/04 and than reward the best slogan.
Again many thanks for your participation.
Best,
Sabine
Sabine Soellheim
Product Marketing Manager
Novell SUSE Linux Products GmbH
Maxfeldstr. 5
90409 Nürnberg
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>> "Sabine Soellheim"
<ssoellheim(a)novell.com> 04/03/07 5:02 PM >>>
Hi,
Within the framework of the new web design of *.opensuse.org, we are also discussing the
mission statement for the
openSUSE project and we would love to receive your input.
A mission statement - a clear and succinct representation of openSUSE project, a so
called "one-liner"
e.g. * openSUSE - Built to fit!
* openSUSE - Have a lot of fun!
* openSUSE - Caffeine for your machine!
* The openSUSE project - A real alternative!
* openSUSE - It's a wild thing!
* openSUSE - An unlimited alternative!
* openSUSE - The adaptable and innovative solution!
It should be included/supported by a set of our values such as open, leading edge
distribution, fits everywhere, best
of open source, innovative, user-friendly, comprehensive, etc.
We will select the best three mission statements for further discussion and finally reward
the best input with a 50cm
stuffed Tux.
We are looking forward to your ideas.
Thanks in advance,
Sabine Soellheim
Product Marketing Manager
Novell SUSE Linux Products GmbH
Maxfeldstr. 5
90409 Nürnberg
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SUSE Linux Products GmbH: GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nuernberg)
-------------------------------
Novell, Inc.
SUSE Linux Enterprise 10
Your Linux is Ready http://www.novell.com/linux
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Sabine Soellheim wrote:
Thanks to all of you for your great input for an
openSUSE slogan.
So that everybody can participate to vote the best slogan, we created a wiki-voting
page:
http://en.opensuse.org/Election:OpenSUSE_Slogan
be warned that the link in the page to the login is broken
(nonexistent page)
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jdd sur free wrote:
Sabine Soellheim wrote:
I also have problems - to elaborate what I assume is teh same problem
that JDD has: the first link
http://en.opensuse.org/Election:OpenSUSE_Slogan works fine, but on that
page is a link to log in at http://en.opensuse.org/Special:Userlogin -
this is broken & so we can't register a vote.
Looks to me like a server error (404?) is trapped and results in:
"No such special page From openSUSE
You have requested an invalid special page, a list of valid special
pages may be found at Special:Specialpages."
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Thanks to all of you for your great input for an
openSUSE slogan.
So that everybody can participate to vote the best slogan, we created
a wiki-voting page:
http://en.opensuse.org/Election:OpenSUSE_Slogan
be warned that the link in the page to the login is broken (nonexistent
page)
jdd
8:43 a.m.
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On 4/19/07, richard (MQ) <osl(a)16hd.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
jdd sur free wrote:
The link should be:
http://en.opensuse.org/index.php?title=Special:Userlogin&returnto=Elect…
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Sabine Soellheim wrote:
I also have problems - to elaborate what I assume is teh same problem
that JDD has: the first link
http://en.opensuse.org/Election:OpenSUSE_Slogan works fine, but on that
page is a link to log in at http://en.opensuse.org/Special:Userlogin -
this is broken & so we can't register a vote.
Looks to me like a server error (404?) is trapped and results in:
"No such special page From openSUSE
You have requested an invalid special page, a list of valid special
pages may be found at Special:Specialpages."
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Richard (MQ)
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Thanks to all of you for your great input for an
openSUSE slogan.
So that everybody can participate to vote the best slogan, we created
a wiki-voting page:
http://en.opensuse.org/Election:OpenSUSE_Slogan
be warned that the link in the page to the login is broken (nonexistent
page)
jdd
10:12 a.m.
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Jan Karjalainen wrote:
On 4/19/07, richard (MQ)
<osl(a)16hd.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
...
> I also have problems - to elaborate what I assume
is the same problem
> that JDD has: the first link
> http://en.opensuse.org/Election:OpenSUSE_Slogan works fine, but on that
> page is a link to log in at http://en.opensuse.org/Special:Userlogin -
> this is broken & so we can't register a vote.
...
The link should be:
http://en.opensuse.org/index.php?title=Special:Userlogin&returnto=Elect…
Many thanks Jan, that's exactly correct. Have now logged in and
registered my votes.
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New subject: [opensuse-project] Mission statement for openSUSE - Voting
On 4/19/07, Sabine Soellheim <ssoellheim(a)novell.com> wrote:
Thanks to all of you for your great input for an
openSUSE slogan.
So that everybody can participate to vote the best slogan, we created a wiki-voting
page:
http://en.opensuse.org/Election:OpenSUSE_Slogan
Provided that there is nothing said against it, we pre-selected the 10 best slogan also
based on your input. We will
facilitate the voting until next Friday, 27/04 and than reward the best slogan.
Again many thanks for your participation.
To be honest I think the ones selected are pretty poor. Needless to
say there were many spectacularly bad ones in the proposal ;-), but
I'm not sure why these were picked. The current winner -- "Linux for
open minds" -- really doesn't add anything much new to openSUSE as a
Linux flavour, as Linux is open. It only really makes sense if you're
coming from SLE or something.
Why was the old quasi-motto -- 'The world's most usable Linux' -- not
in the running? New users care about whether they're going to be able
to actually use it, since thinking of trying it out for the first time
can be daunting for some users. If that isn't our motto, I think it
should definitely be something similar. Someone new to Linux won't
make much of a motto that talks about openess, really, and if they do,
it's because they already know that Linux is about free software/open
source.
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Den Thursday 19 April 2007 13:13:30 skrev Francis Giannaros:
On 4/19/07, Sabine Soellheim
<ssoellheim(a)novell.com> wrote:
I support Francis. I wonder what the criteria for the selection was.
Imho the mission statement/slogan should at least:
* Speak to Windows and GNU/Linux users alike
* Say something about what openSUSE is and what sets it apart from other
distros.
Of the 10 proposals on election only "Linux at it's best" comes close to
living up to these simple criteria. Most of the others would be true for any
Linux distro, and say nothing about openSUSE's unique qualities.
Many of the discarded proposals did on the other hand, for example:
Powerful technology togehter
The Heart of Linux Innovation
The world's most usable Linux
Just to list a few random examples that actually say something about what
makes SUSE different from the other ~500-1000 distros.
Maybe I'm just slow-witted. Could someone explain to me why openSUSE is more
about open minds than other distros?
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So that everybody can participate to vote the
best slogan, we created a
wiki-voting page: http://en.opensuse.org/Election:OpenSUSE_Slogan
Provided that there is nothing said against it, we pre-selected the 10
best slogan also based on your input. We will facilitate the voting until
next Friday, 27/04 and than reward the best slogan.
Again many thanks for your participation.
To be honest I think the ones selected are pretty poor. Needless to
say there were many spectacularly bad ones in the proposal ;-), but
I'm not sure why these were picked. The current winner -- "Linux for
open minds" -- really doesn't add anything much new to openSUSE as a
Linux flavour, as Linux is open. It only really makes sense if you're
coming from SLE or something.
5:31 p.m.
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On 4/23/07, Martin Schlander <suse(a)linuxin.dk> wrote:
Imho the mission statement/slogan should at least:
* Speak to Windows and GNU/Linux users alike
* Say something about what openSUSE is and what sets it apart from other
distros.
Indeed, I don't think the selected slogans fulfil these criteria.
Furthermore the current winner "linux for open minds" simply restricts
the target audience. "Only people with open minds are allowed to use
this, or will like this"
I also think this vote is meaningless without a "none of the above" or
"re-open nominations" option.
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On Tue, 24 Apr 2007, Benji Weber wrote:
On 4/23/07, Martin Schlander <suse(a)linuxin.dk>
wrote:
OK, I think I have come up with one direction for a slogan which is also a one
line mission statement:
openSUSE: working better together with you
"working better together" implies both improved integration of the
distribution (which goes back to 1993) and improved collaboration in its
construction (which dates to the creation of openSUSE). It also implies
interoperability, which Novell has recently emphasised.
"together with you" includes collaboration as a developer, as a packager, as a
tester, as an end user. And it brings "you" into the mission.
As a bonus, I could not find the particular phase "working better together
with you" anywhere on the web. This may help to make it a trademark.
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Imho the mission statement/slogan should at
least:
* Speak to Windows and GNU/Linux users alike
* Say something about what openSUSE is and what sets it apart from other
distros.
Indeed, I don't think the selected slogans fulfil these criteria.
Furthermore the current winner "linux for open minds" simply restricts
the target audience. "Only people with open minds are allowed to use
this, or will like this"
I also think this vote is meaningless without a "none of the above" or
"re-open nominations" option.
24 Apr
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On Tuesday 24 April 2007 12:31:44 am Benji Weber wrote:
On 4/23/07, Martin Schlander <suse(a)linuxin.dk>
wrote:
I wish there were possible in the software that each user has one "vote" and
one "anti-vote".
I would use my anti-vote on "Linux for open minds". Open minds just aren't
enough in numbers.
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Imho the mission statement/slogan should at
least:
* Speak to Windows and GNU/Linux users alike
* Say something about what openSUSE is and what sets it apart from other
distros.
Indeed, I don't think the selected slogans fulfil these criteria.
Furthermore the current winner "linux for open minds" simply restricts
the target audience. "Only people with open minds are allowed to use
this, or will like this"
I also think this vote is meaningless without a "none of the above" or
"re-open nominations" option.
2:36 a.m.
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On Monday 23 April 2007 16:31, Benji Weber wrote:
Indeed, I don't think the selected slogans fulfil
these criteria.
Furthermore the current winner "linux for open minds" simply restricts
the target audience. "Only people with open minds are allowed to use
this, or will like this"
Hi Benji,
being openminded sounds to me as a positive attribute, at least it is often
mentioned in employment offers as one properties that employer would like to
see.
People like to be positive, so if they use "Linux for open minds", they have
one more proof that they are positive.
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On 4/24/07, Rajko M. <rmatov101(a)charter.net> wrote:
On Monday 23 April 2007 16:31, Benji Weber wrote:
Hey Rajko,
But it is still missing one vital thing -- the statement doesn't
differentiate openSUSE directly from the other Linux distributions out
there at all. We could say "openSUSE - it is very nice" as well, and
that sounds pleasant, but it's not saying anything about us. Linux is
open source, it's a community too, etc.There's nothing obvious to me
about why Mandriva, Fedora, MEPIS etc also aren't for open minds.
I like the last two Martin mentioned because two things that I think
really set openSUSE apart are (i) the extent of innovation in and
around out (unparalleled in other distributions), and (ii) I genuinely
believe it's the the _most_ usable distribution out there, despite
what others are saying. Either of those mottos I think would be nice
for us, but 'usableness' hits a wider audience than innovation, I'd
say; this 'usableness' is an incredible achievement, we should flaunt
it. :)
Nevertheless I think the criteria as mentioned by Martin above also
hits the pin on the head in this case. A motto _has_ to do those few
simple things, else our marketing is misplaced.
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Indeed, I don't think the selected slogans
fulfil these criteria.
Furthermore the current winner "linux for open minds" simply restricts
the target audience. "Only people with open minds are allowed to use
this, or will like this"
Hi Benji,
being openminded sounds to me as a positive attribute, at least it is often
mentioned in employment offers as one properties that employer would like to
see.
People like to be positive, so if they use "Linux for open minds", they have
one more proof that they are positive.
5:31 a.m.
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Den Tuesday 24 April 2007 10:53:10 skrev Francis Giannaros:
I like the last two Martin mentioned because two
things that I think
really set openSUSE apart are (i) the extent of innovation in and
around out (unparalleled in other distributions), and (ii) I genuinely
believe it's the the _most_ usable distribution out there, despite
what others are saying. Either of those mottos I think would be nice
for us, but 'usableness' hits a wider audience than innovation, I'd
say; this 'usableness' is an incredible achievement, we should flaunt
it. :)
I'm personally not 100% pleased with "usable", to me that's almost
synonymous
with "dumbed down". And it creates the impression that openSUSE is only about
making things simple for aunt Tillie.
When in reality openSUSE is extremely powerful. Our strength is the very high
technological level - combined with being fairly easy to use, _without_ being
dumbed down, hiding options and making all choices for the user.
We should emphasize that. That's why I liked one of my own proposals: "Power
and control" ;-)
.. even though it sounds like a tire commercial.
It would furthermore sound really good translated to German: "Kraft und
Kontrolle"
To be honest, making things appealing to aunt Tillie is not something
SUSE-engineers are very good at. Thank god, if you ask me.
I think we should cater more towards the "geeks and enthusiasts" that Novell
marketers always like to say are the openSUSE audience. These are the people
who install and administrate the OS for aunt Tillie anyway.
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On Tuesday 24 April 2007 04:31, Martin Schlander wrote:
...
When in reality openSUSE is extremely powerful. Our
strength is the very
high technological level - combined with being fairly easy to use,
_without_ being dumbed down, hiding options and making all choices for the
user.
I would like to see what are other attributes that people associate with open
minded person.
Is open minded person smart and go along with others.
In my humble experience, yes.
We should emphasize that. That's why I liked one
of my own proposals:
"Power and control" ;-)
.. even though it sounds like a tire commercial.
That might be one of reasons it is not used.
The one with "is good for you" was removed because it is already someone's
trademark.
It would furthermore sound really good translated to
German: "Kraft und
Kontrolle"
IMHO, to me it sounds more as "Macht und Kontrolle".
To be honest, making things appealing to aunt Tillie
is not something
SUSE-engineers are very good at. Thank god, if you ask me.
Agree.
That's why they look for slogan that will appeal to aunt.
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On Tuesday 24 April 2007 03:53, Francis Giannaros wrote:
But it is still missing one vital thing -- the
statement doesn't
differentiate openSUSE directly from the other Linux distributions out
there at all.
The problem is that Sabine used expression "mission statement" that wasn't
good description of examples. Examples where slogan (motto) and, after Magnus
Boman mentioned idea to use wiki, I created "openSUSE:Slogan" page. Sabine
didn't complain on that, so we can take that marketing looked for a slogan
and further discussion revolving around "mission statement" is not
applicable.
The slogan is not self introduction, it is few words that sound good. Take all
the best slogans that you have ever seen, what they have with self
introduction, IMHO in most cases nothing.
They are all designed to be appealing and lend that appeal to associated
product.
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At 07:55 PM 4/19/2007, Sabine Soellheim wrote:
Thanks to all of you for your great input for an
openSUSE slogan.
So that everybody can participate to vote the
best slogan, we created a wiki-voting page:
http://en.opensuse.org/Election:OpenSUSE_Slogan
Provided that there is nothing said against it,
we pre-selected the 10 best slogan also based on your input. We will
facilitate the voting until next Friday, 27/04
and than reward the best slogan.
Again many thanks for your participation.
Best,
Sabine
Sabine Soellheim
Product Marketing Manager
Novell SUSE Linux Products GmbH
Maxfeldstr. 5
90409 Nürnberg
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Sorry i'm late to this discussion, but thoughts during / after voting...
not bad but I would like to have seen something like
openSuSE - build it to suit your needs
there is nothing there that fills this void directly.
this would have given the point that with so many packages available
with openSuSE you can build your desktop / server / firewall / etc. to
suit what you want it to look and feel like, your not limited to a single
layout / not just limited to a small number of packages or desktops.
scsijon
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>> "Sabine Soellheim"
<ssoellheim(a)novell.com> 04/03/07 5:02 PM >>>
Hi,
Within the framework of the new web design of
*.opensuse.org, we are also discussing the mission statement for the
openSUSE project and we would love to receive your input.
A mission statement - a clear and succinct
representation of openSUSE project, a so called "one-liner"
e.g. * openSUSE - Built to fit!
* openSUSE - Have a lot of fun!
* openSUSE - Caffeine for your machine!
* The openSUSE project - A real alternative!
* openSUSE - It's a wild thing!
* openSUSE - An unlimited alternative!
* openSUSE - The adaptable and innovative solution!
It should be included/supported by a set of our
values such as open, leading edge distribution, fits everywhere, best
of open source, innovative, user-friendly, comprehensive, etc.
We will select the best three mission statements
for further discussion and finally reward the best input with a 50cm
stuffed Tux.
We are looking forward to your ideas.
Thanks in advance,
Sabine Soellheim
Product Marketing Manager
Novell SUSE Linux Products GmbH
Maxfeldstr. 5
90409 Nürnberg
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Your Linux is Ready http://www.novell.com/linux
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25 Apr
7:01 a.m.
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Den Thursday 19 April 2007 11:55:06 skrev Sabine Soellheim:
So that everybody can participate to vote the best
slogan, we created a
wiki-voting page: http://en.opensuse.org/Election:OpenSUSE_Slogan
Provided that there is nothing said against it
I think there's been a little said against it.
, we pre-selected the 10 best
slogan also based on your input. We will facilitate the voting until next
Friday, 27/04 and than reward the best slogan.
When is the deadline? Thursday at midnight CET? Friday midnight?
Maybe some of the people who have already voted, should consider taking
advantage of the possibility to alter their vote.
In case your favourite is already "out of the running", and the current leader
("Linux for open minds") is not your #2 choice , you could influence the
outcome by moving your vote to something that has a chance of winning, and is
better than the current leader.
In case you haven't voted yet, the clock is ticking, even if you don't
particularly like any of the options you should vote for the best one, or the
least bad one.
*hint* Linux at it's best *hint*
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Martin Schlander wrote:
("Linux for open minds")
I don't mind to change my vote.
You may think of a considération. Wheter the real "open minded" people
are probably not a majority, anybody thinks he is part of this group
and only the competitors are closed mind.
so with this slogan, we a sure to have anybody think "this is for me"
read Descartes:
"Le bon sens est la chose du monde la mieux partagée; car chacun pense
en être si bien pourvu [122] que ceux même qui sont les plus
difficiles à contenter en toute autre chose n'ont point coutume d'en
désirer plus qu'ils en ont."
http://fr.wikisource.org/wiki/Discours_de_la_m%C3%A9thode_-_Premi%C3%A8re_p…
"The most widely shared thing in the world is good sense, for everyone
thinks he is so well provided with it that even those who are the most
difficult to satisfy in everything else do not usually desire to have
more good sense than they have"
http://www.mala.bc.ca/~johnstoi/descartes/descartes1.htm
read, read :-))
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On Wednesday 25 April 2007 07:32, jdd sur free wrote:
Martin Schlander wrote:
Sic! That's the point.
Thanks Jean.
<off_topic>
BTW, reading more, it seems that translation has some problems.
("Linux for open minds")
I don't mind to change my vote.
You may think of a considération. Wheter the real "open minded" people
are probably not a majority, anybody thinks he is part of this group
and only the competitors are closed mind.
so with this slogan, we a sure to have anybody think "this is for me"
read Descartes:
"Le bon sens est la chose du monde la mieux partagée; car chacun pense
en être si bien pourvu [122] que ceux même qui sont les plus
difficiles à contenter en toute autre chose n'ont point coutume d'en
désirer plus qu'ils en ont."
http://fr.wikisource.org/wiki/Discours_de_la_m%C3%A9thode_-_Premi%C3%A8re_p
artie
"The most widely shared thing in the world is good sense, for everyone
thinks he is so well provided with it that even those who are the most
difficult to satisfy in everything else do not usually desire to have
more good sense than they have"
http://www.mala.bc.ca/~johnstoi/descartes/descartes1.htm
read, read :-))
jdd Ainsi mon dessein n'est pas d'enseigner ici la
méthode ...
Thus, my design here is not to teach the method ...
Thus, my intention here is not
to teach the method ...
Looking in
dict design
it seems that is correct, but old seldom used meaning of the word.
</off_topic>
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Rajko M. wrote:
Looking in
dict design
it seems that is correct, but old seldom used meaning of the word.
</off_topic>
giving the date of the original, may be the translation is right :-)
(it's not mine anyway :-)
jdd
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