[opensuse-project] Board Meeting Minutes - 11 July 1600 CEST
# Board Meeting Minutes 11 July 1600 CEST ## Present - Richard Brown - Chair - Michal Hrušecký - Bryan Lunduke - Tomas Chvatal - Gertjan Lettink - Andrew Wafaa (Treasurer) ## Absent - Kostas Koudaras - Sick ## General Items ### Devel Project Maintainers Board is concerned about reports from Package maintainers that their submissions are being ignored or over-ridden by Project Maintainers. The Board would like to remind Devel project maintainers are responsible for encoraging and supporting Package maintainers. Submitters should be supported, if their submission doesn't pass muster then teach them how to do it better, don't just reject it or replace it with your own (especially if your own doesn't resolve the issues the Package maintainer was trying to resolve) ### Mailinglist Behaviour AI: Tomas to send 1 formal warning to a misbehaving mailinglist poster. ### oSC 16 It was lovely, went really well, complete success. Thanks to all who made it happen. ### oSC 17 Board discussed and agrees that oSC 17 should hopefully occur in Nuremberg, during the first week of June. ### openSUSE Asia No news from the openSUSE Asia team, everything seems to be going smoothly. ### TSP All submissions who have returned receipts have been accepted. Still one outstanding. ### Trademark Request The Board have heard from the members with the outstanding Trademark request. Local legal requirements complicate our proposed solution. Negotiations ongoing. ### Membership Tidyup First and Second round of reminders are sent, some responses recieved, a few more days will be left AI: Richard to make openSUSE Emeritus group. AI: Mical to send the final warning and start migrating inactive members to the Emeritus group ### Infrastructure The Board remains concerned about ongoing Infrastructure issues. Board notes that some efforts have been made to improve the situation with www.opensuse.org and other Provo hosted openSUSE services, but would like to see a sustainable long term solution. The Board is also concerned by the long lead time on tickets to admin@opensuse.org. Richard had a meeting with Roland. Roland shares the Boards concerns. MicroFocus IT are not able to process requests in a timely manner, so SUSE IT are stepping up to replace some infrastructure which will be easier for the community to also maintain and support. AI: Richard to have regular meetings with Roland and Lars. ### SLE Packages The Board has spotted a number of cases in Leap 42.2 Alpha 2 where packages inherited from SLE are newer than the ones available in Tumbleweed or Devel Repos. Reminders seem to have helped, but problem still ongoing. AI: Richard to send both general and directed reminders internally at SUSE to remind them of the SUSE company policy to contribute to Tumbleweed before/in parralel/in sync with their work on SLE. ### KDE KDE are forming an Advisory Board. Board is nominating Antonio Larossa to represent openSUSE on this Board. We're very pleased to see Plasma start offering LTS releases with 5.8, which hopefully might smooth out some of the issues we've faced with KDE in Leap. ## Action Item Review Due to the large number of action items, the progress of these will be split into 3 sections - DONE; This task is complete and will not be discussed in future meetings - WIP; This task is in progress, and will be discussed in future meetings - TODO; This task is still waiting for some progress by the Board ### DONE ### WIP Board + Ludwig to figure out what to do with all the Volunteers for the "openSUSE Release Team" *Richard & Ludwig to discuss* Board is discussing some ideas with our various Desktop Teams Michal is retiring connect.opensuse.org and doing the Membership tooling and maintenance. Tomas has talked with Craig about OBS team preparing the code for maintaner tidyup *Feature in OBS teams TODO* Bryan has started arrange informal exploratory discussions with ownCloud, nextCloud and Kolab about closer relationships. Had some good chats at oSC 16. *Bryan to keep driving* Kostas is reaching out to our few bloggers on lizards.opensuse.org about moving to other platforms. Richard has been talking to Douglas about the possibility of moving news.opensuse.org to a new blogging platform. Richard's personal blog is running a potential candidate (Jekyll with custom openSUSE theme) http://rootco.de ### TODO Board to request release-team@opensuse.org list for the Release Team Board to investigate alternatives for voting & membership management _To be done after the Membership Tidy Up_ Tomas will investigate Helios voting system for openSUSE Richard to review/tune up filtering in current system so trademark enquiries don't get lost Tomas will talk with Andrew and Marketing teams about possible Kickstarter Board intends to create a skeleton of the getting started guides to help people get started with Using, Joining, and Partnering with openSUSE -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
Hey, On 11.07.2016 17:00, Richard Brown wrote:
The Board remains concerned about ongoing Infrastructure issues. Board notes that some efforts have been made to improve the situation with www.opensuse.org and other Provo hosted openSUSE services, but would like to see a sustainable long term solution.
Without any investment into grooming a community of people who will take care of the application level, moving 'provider' solves nothing IMHO. You can contribute to and take responsibility of our infrastructure today (except the OS level), yet not many people do. Unless we as a community find a solution to this problem and make our infrastructure sustainable by us, we will always depend on external people who will not have this as a huge priority. This is not healthy at all and a huge threat to the openSUSE project. Just my 2¢ for the gazillion'st time, I know it's irritating sorry... Henne p.s. We have this situation also in many other parts of our project. I think we rest too much on SUSE's good will for marketing, design, conference organization, documentation etc. -- Henne Vogelsang http://www.opensuse.org Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On Wed, 2016-07-13 at 12:29 +0200, Henne Vogelsang wrote:
Hey,
On 11.07.2016 17:00, Richard Brown wrote:
The Board remains concerned about ongoing Infrastructure issues. Board notes that some efforts have been made to improve the situation with www.opensuse.org and other Provo hosted openSUSE services, but would like to see a sustainable long term solution.
Without any investment into grooming a community of people who will take care of the application level, moving 'provider' solves nothing IMHO.
You can contribute to and take responsibility of our infrastructure today (except the OS level), yet not many people do. Unless we as a community find a solution to this problem and make our infrastructure sustainable by us, we will always depend on external people who will not have this as a huge priority. This is not healthy at all and a huge threat to the openSUSE project.
Just my 2¢ for the gazillion'st time, I know it's irritating sorry...
Henne
p.s. We have this situation also in many other parts of our project. I think we rest too much on SUSE's good will for marketing, design, conference organization, documentation etc. Hello
I am not sure that I understand your message correctly, but what do you suggest that we do about issues which you mentioned? Cheers Martin -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJXhiLTAAoJEFskXWf93mhXPi8P/1aly+Dr2Cymkln+KR4FMwnX /2cf7Tx0HRmKQf84WF2r7/Bmu6+A5aDoVQCTId5PTu/jq8StSRPjoaAinzc2TMI8 qT9+RuSYMUpF6/ZUwYTZBZcIx33Q9sPV5p88yg9Fnd35K5F9v8CNDGXM7pG8mbxZ 9lAYtpR+3NP6lYJwWKKtUb21cRQ7XC1AmOna/cp+FsEPAJ6IgPurk10CfFcUPblk KwSIFbYT/NBJH7PTjmyamrLz6UheALXXtpu1BrdRAxbOT6vGjnbuJoIugoNCraQd /C2d+hItGonwjlymXmcfYKAmz97XkeZTTdcl+vvn4HFSJsXjWwJyVuUXnQ7iYnnC Tsk88iEvmpaa5xhIe3dj8KX9ZCu7XNk6uEhYutuS9sLh/aQHAje/5h2u//xASczt YpBVclbeZ22BxwwaK5I2R9NrrpgsGYZDD1LhAtrllwSZK1TiauLD8tnjQhhnsEe/ LuA9P67T/CH+Zcfao6/OXzQ6u7vW9o3d0SxXK6KY2MQhEkynay979jrXGl3PDZbY Yi4vW4Ps7KjToNKoQISAIJqYzTsUCF1wYWoQxqAbSd6q+8OvuDdip+qSmDDPJ2LU mTcEBcBmwjRqBsFKAPqtsYnK++ePaPFXs0VgxEjg8YsRwIwMI7rbesrR1RoJCxDd asyz/ePDmW80Wp2lN653 =0fXn -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
Hey, On 13.07.2016 13:15, Martin Pluskal wrote:
On Wed, 2016-07-13 at 12:29 +0200, Henne Vogelsang wrote:
On 11.07.2016 17:00, Richard Brown wrote:
The Board remains concerned about ongoing Infrastructure issues.
Without any investment into grooming a community of people who will take care of the application level, moving 'provider' solves nothing IMHO.
I am not sure that I understand your message correctly, but what do you suggest that we do about issues which you mentioned?
First and foremost this means openSUSE needs to kick-start communities around these aspects as this obviously wont happen by itself. Experienced people from all parts of our community need to lead and invest time into organizing collaboration, facilitate communication and decision making processes around these topics. Then they personally need to keep those new groups afloat long enough until other people join. Then they need to share responsibility with the new people. Classic community management/building. Something which we are good at around packaging and other aspects of our project. Henne -- Henne Vogelsang http://www.opensuse.org Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
On 07/13/2016 10:47 PM, Henne Vogelsang wrote:
Hey,
On 13.07.2016 13:15, Martin Pluskal wrote:
On Wed, 2016-07-13 at 12:29 +0200, Henne Vogelsang wrote:
On 11.07.2016 17:00, Richard Brown wrote:
The Board remains concerned about ongoing Infrastructure issues.
Without any investment into grooming a community of people who will take care of the application level, moving 'provider' solves nothing IMHO.
I am not sure that I understand your message correctly, but what do you suggest that we do about issues which you mentioned?
First and foremost this means openSUSE needs to kick-start communities around these aspects as this obviously wont happen by itself.
Experienced people from all parts of our community need to lead and invest time into organizing collaboration, facilitate communication and decision making processes around these topics. Then they personally need to keep those new groups afloat long enough until other people join. Then they need to share responsibility with the new people.
Classic community management/building. Something which we are good at around packaging and other aspects of our project.
Henne
Many of those other areas were covered under the boards call for "openSUSE Release Team" volunteers and the indication was there was at least some volunteers in some areas so I guess were waiting for that to be sorted as a starting point. I for one would be happy to touch up some areas of various websites that need work but i'm probably not the best to do all the management of the hosting but others have volunteered to help with that in various places in the past so really we just need to start coordinating these people and trying to provide them with a way to help. -- Simon Lees (Simotek) http://simotek.net Emergency Update Team keybase.io/simotek SUSE Linux Adeliade Australia, UTC+9:30 GPG Fingerprint: 5B87 DB9D 88DC F606 E489 CEC5 0922 C246 02F0 014B
Hey, On 13.07.2016 15:40, Simon Lees wrote:
On 07/13/2016 10:47 PM, Henne Vogelsang wrote:
On 13.07.2016 13:15, Martin Pluskal wrote:
On Wed, 2016-07-13 at 12:29 +0200, Henne Vogelsang wrote:
On 11.07.2016 17:00, Richard Brown wrote:
The Board remains concerned about ongoing Infrastructure issues.
Without any investment into grooming a community of people who will take care of the application level, moving 'provider' solves nothing IMHO.
I am not sure that I understand your message correctly, but what do you suggest that we do about issues which you mentioned?
First and foremost this means openSUSE needs to kick-start communities around these aspects as this obviously wont happen by itself.
we just need to start coordinating these people and trying to providethem with a way to help.
Yes we need people to step up to coordinate and drive the collaboration. No matter at which sponsors data-center the servers are located... Henne -- Henne Vogelsang http://www.opensuse.org Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
Simon Lees wrote:
On 07/13/2016 10:47 PM, Henne Vogelsang wrote:
Hey,
On 13.07.2016 13:15, Martin Pluskal wrote:
On Wed, 2016-07-13 at 12:29 +0200, Henne Vogelsang wrote:
On 11.07.2016 17:00, Richard Brown wrote:
The Board remains concerned about ongoing Infrastructure issues.
Without any investment into grooming a community of people who will take care of the application level, moving 'provider' solves nothing IMHO.
I am not sure that I understand your message correctly, but what do you suggest that we do about issues which you mentioned?
First and foremost this means openSUSE needs to kick-start communities around these aspects as this obviously wont happen by itself.
Experienced people from all parts of our community need to lead and invest time into organizing collaboration, facilitate communication and decision making processes around these topics. Then they personally need to keep those new groups afloat long enough until other people join. Then they need to share responsibility with the new people.
Classic community management/building. Something which we are good at around packaging and other aspects of our project.
Henne
Many of those other areas were covered under the boards call for "openSUSE Release Team" volunteers and the indication was there was at least some volunteers in some areas so I guess were waiting for that to be sorted as a starting point. I for one would be happy to touch up some areas of various websites that need work but i'm probably not the best to do all the management of the hosting but others have volunteered to help with that in various places in the past so really we just need to start coordinating these people and trying to provide them with a way to help.
I think in the past I have volunteered to help out with DNS and mirroring. (not specifically, just because I ran into issues related to those two areas). I am happy to help out with admin, setup, troubleshooting - my specialties are network, dns, xen, apache, lvm, iscsi. As for sponsoring/hosting, my company would be happy to help with that too. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (13.9°C) http://www.hostsuisse.com/ - virtual servers, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
Per Jessen wrote:
I think in the past I have volunteered to help out with DNS and mirroring. (not specifically, just because I ran into issues related to those two areas). I am happy to help out with admin, setup, troubleshooting - my specialties are network, dns, xen, apache, lvm, iscsi.
Forgot to mention email. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (13.5°C) http://www.hostsuisse.com/ - virtual servers, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
Hey Per, On 13.07.2016 20:51, Per Jessen wrote:
I think in the past I have volunteered to help out with DNS and mirroring. (not specifically, just because I ran into issues related to those two areas). I am happy to help out with admin, setup, troubleshooting - my specialties are network, dns, xen, apache, lvm, iscsi.
Helping out is nice and we need that, but providing help needs some 'owner' of the problem. The areas I have talked about are ownerless. No one will be able to tell you what to help with. Someone needs to take charge, find out what needs to be done and organize the collaboration. Only then people can join in and start to help. Henne -- Henne Vogelsang http://www.opensuse.org Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
Henne Vogelsang wrote:
Hey Per,
On 13.07.2016 20:51, Per Jessen wrote:
I think in the past I have volunteered to help out with DNS and mirroring. (not specifically, just because I ran into issues related to those two areas). I am happy to help out with admin, setup, troubleshooting - my specialties are network, dns, xen, apache, lvm, iscsi.
Helping out is nice and we need that, but providing help needs some 'owner' of the problem. The areas I have talked about are ownerless. No one will be able to tell you what to help with.
Someone needs to take charge, find out what needs to be done and organize the collaboration. Only then people can join in and start to help.
Hi Henne it's probably the worst time of the year to start this discussion, everyone is off on summer hols. Maybe it would be better restart it towards end of August? We could start by lining up the areas, current status and what we think/imagine needs to happen. It made me curious when I saw "ongoing Infrastructure issues" mentioned back in May, as well as "immediate problems with some part of the infrastructure" from the face2face meeting in March. It just wasn't at all clear what the areas and issues were, except the wiki which was mentioned explicitly. /Per -- Per Jessen, Zürich (14.0°C) http://www.dns24.ch/ - free dynamic DNS, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
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