20 Feb
2013
20 Feb
'13
10:08 a.m.
Good news, everyone*!
The first full draft of our 12.3 feature list is online:
https://en.opensuse.org/Features_12.3
I could really use some help with fact checking, categorization (some stuff
ain't in the right place yet), adding of screenshots and general
improvements...
Please, if you can - help by removing/fixing factually incorrect things,
adding what's missing etc. Comments mailed to me work too but, as it's a
wiki, I prefer if you just edit away...
Note that this feature list will be the base for our announcement, our top
features on the Portal page and so on. So it should at the very least be
correct!
Hugs,
Jos
* http://bit.ly/ZgsVy1
20 Feb
20 Feb
10:24 a.m.
Le mercredi 20 février 2013, à 16:08 +0100, Jos Poortvliet a écrit :
Good news, everyone*!
The first full draft of our 12.3 feature list is online:
https://en.opensuse.org/Features_12.3
Nice!
I could really use some help with fact checking,
categorization (some stuff
ain't in the right place yet), adding of screenshots and general
improvements...
Please, if you can - help by removing/fixing factually incorrect things,
adding what's missing etc. Comments mailed to me work too but, as it's a
wiki, I prefer if you just edit away...
Not sure if that's on purpose or if it was forgotten, but I see nothing
about our cool and amazing OpenStack packages there. There was some
stuff at https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Major_features#Cloud
(not fixing it directly as it might have been on purpose)
Cheers,
Vincent
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2:10 p.m.
On 02/20/2013 04:24 PM, Vincent Untz wrote:
Le mercredi 20 février 2013, à 16:08 +0100, Jos
Poortvliet a écrit :
Any reason that
<http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Major_features#Window_Managers> where
awesome and sawfish are discussed are not included.
Togan
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Good news, everyone*!
The first full draft of our 12.3 feature list is online:
https://en.opensuse.org/Features_12.3
Nice!
> I could really use some help with fact checking, categorization (some stuff
> ain't in the right place yet), adding of screenshots and general
> improvements...
>
> Please, if you can - help by removing/fixing factually incorrect things,
> adding what's missing etc. Comments mailed to me work too but, as it's a
> wiki, I prefer if you just edit away... 
2:23 p.m.
New subject: [opensuse-project] Kernel 3.8?
I know there's been a feature-freeze, but since kernel 3.8 is already released, it
would be of great benefit to make openSUSE 12.3 release with the 3.8 kernel. Releasing on
an already past-kernel makes openSUSE 12.3 have a shorter shelf-life, especially on mobile
devices like ultrabooks and laptops. Even if it means delaying openSUSE 12.3 for a few
months, the long-term benefits would outweight that.
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2:31 p.m.
New subject: [opensuse-project] Kernel 3.8?
On Wed, 2013-02-20 at 11:23 -0800, Don Rhummy wrote:
I know there's been a feature-freeze, but since
kernel 3.8 is already released, it would be of great benefit to make openSUSE 12.3 release
with the 3.8 kernel. Releasing on an already past-kernel makes openSUSE 12.3 have a
shorter shelf-life, especially on mobile devices like ultrabooks and laptops. Even if it
means delaying openSUSE 12.3 for a few months, the long-term benefits would outweight
that.
a 'few' months? Yes, let's skip the release and release 13.1 in 8 month
(which is a 'few' months).
But then, wait: gnome 3.10 just slipped the dead line.. let's postpone
another 'few' months, and skip 13.1 until next year... oh no.. KDE just
slipped the release.. let's slip a 'few' months until we get this in as
well)..
Doh! Let's stop releasing software all together! We are always behind
the latest and greatest release!
Dominique
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2:32 p.m.
New subject: [opensuse-project] Kernel 3.8?
On Wednesday 20 of February 2013 11:23:29 Don Rhummy wrote:
Even if it means delaying openSUSE 12.3 for a few
months, the
long-term benefits would outweight that.
Shall we maybe then wait for 3.9? Would be just around the corner by that
time.
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New subject: [opensuse-project] Kernel 3.8?
On 02/20/2013 01:32 PM, šumski wrote:
On Wednesday 20 of February 2013 11:23:29 Don Rhummy
wrote:
I have some great stuff planned for 3.10. When will it stop? :)
Larry
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Even if it means delaying openSUSE 12.3 for a few
months, the
long-term benefits would outweight that.
Shall we maybe then wait for 3.9? Would be just around the corner by that
time. 
21 Feb
21 Feb
5:47 a.m.
New subject: [opensuse-project] Kernel 3.8?
On 20.02.2013 20:23, Don Rhummy wrote:
I know there's been a feature-freeze, but since
kernel 3.8 is already released, it would be of great benefit to make openSUSE 12.3 release
with the 3.8 kernel. Releasing on an already past-kernel makes openSUSE 12.3 have a
shorter shelf-life, especially on mobile devices like ultrabooks and laptops. Even if it
means delaying openSUSE 12.3 for a few months, the long-term benefits would outweight
that.
This was decided in january:
http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-kernel/2013-01/msg00008.html
Greetings, Stephan
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22 Feb
12:52 a.m.
New subject: [opensuse-project] Kernel 3.8?
Wow, this is the first response that wasn't rude. Thank you.
I was surprised at how rude all the other responses were - that was a stark contrast to
how the opensuse community has been at the forums. I guess the community is more patient
than the actual project team?
Thanks Stephen for the link.
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Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 5:47 AM
Subject: Re: [opensuse-project] Kernel 3.8?
On 20.02.2013 20:23, Don Rhummy wrote:
I know there's been a feature-freeze, but since
kernel 3.8 is already released, it would be of great benefit to make openSUSE 12.3 release
with the 3.8 kernel. Releasing on an already past-kernel makes openSUSE 12.3 have a
shorter shelf-life, especially on mobile devices like ultrabooks and laptops. Even if it
means delaying openSUSE 12.3 for a few months, the long-term benefits would outweight
that.
This was decided in january:
http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-kernel/2013-01/msg00008.html
Greetings, Stephan
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1:49 a.m.
New subject: [opensuse-project] Kernel 3.8?
Wow, this is the first response that wasn't rude.
Thank you.
I was surprised at how rude all the other responses were - that was a stark contrast to
how the opensuse community has been at the forums. I guess the community is more patient
than the actual project team?
The people who were snarky and rude should know better :-(
On to other things though...
If you need the latest and greatest kernel vs what was included with
any openSUSE release, you can use the KOTD
http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Kernel_of_the_day
This of course comes with its risk of broken things - although in my
experience it's rarely so broken that it doesn't work at all. If you
follow the steps documented here:
http://doc.opensuse.org/documentation/html/openSUSE/opensuse-tuning/cha.tun…
or here: http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Keep_multiple_kernel_versions you
always have a way out if the KOTD falls over on you.
You can also take a look at Kernel:HEAD
https://build.opensuse.org/project/show?project=Kernel%3AHEAD
Jos Poortvliet wrote a nice intro to Kernels in openSUSE here:
http://news.opensuse.org/2011/06/06/get-your-fresh-kernels-from-opensuse-an…
This doesn't resolve the "shelf-life" issue for you, but... that's
something every fixed release distro has to deal with. At least
you've got the option to use the kernel you want :-)
C.
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2:52 a.m.
New subject: [opensuse-project] Kernel 3.8?
בתאריך 22/02/2013 08:49, ציטוט C:
Just want to ask little question . i know that opensuse will ship with
kernel 3.7 and i know that most of the chances that kernel 3.7 will end
of life very soon (may be before opensuse 12.3 will released) soo what
are the policy about it?? if it will happen and kernel 3.7 will be EOL
why not move to the next supported kernel ?
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Wow, this is
the first response that wasn't rude. Thank you.
I was surprised at how rude all the other responses were - that was a stark contrast to
how the opensuse community has been at the forums. I guess the community is more patient
than the actual project team?
The people who were snarky and rude should know better :-(
On to other things though...
If you need the latest and greatest kernel vs what was included with
any openSUSE release, you can use the KOTD
http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Kernel_of_the_day
This of course comes with its risk of broken things - although in my
experience it's rarely so broken that it doesn't work at all. If you
follow the steps documented here:
http://doc.opensuse.org/documentation/html/openSUSE/opensuse-tuning/cha.tun…
or here: http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Keep_multiple_kernel_versions you
always have a way out if the KOTD falls over on you.
You can also take a look at Kernel:HEAD
https://build.opensuse.org/project/show?project=Kernel%3AHEAD
Jos Poortvliet wrote a nice intro to Kernels in openSUSE here:
http://news.opensuse.org/2011/06/06/get-your-fresh-kernels-from-opensuse-an…
This doesn't resolve the "shelf-life" issue for you, but... that's
something every fixed release distro has to deal with. At least
you've got the option to use the kernel you want :-)
C. 
4:18 a.m.
New subject: AW: [opensuse-project] Kernel 3.8?
Hi,
True. A simple "well this what we call freeze" would have done the job.
Wow, this is
the first response that wasn't rude. Thank you.
I was surprised at how rude all the other responses were - that was a stark contrast to
how the opensuse community has been at the forums. I guess the community is more patient
than the actual project team?
The people who were snarky and rude should know better :-( On to other things though...
If you need the latest and greatest kernel vs what was included with
any openSUSE release, you can use the KOTD
http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Kernel_of_the_day
This of course comes with its risk of broken things - although in my
experience it's rarely so broken that it doesn't work at all. If you
follow the steps documented here:
http://doc.opensuse.org/documentation/html/openSUSE/opensuse-tuning/cha.tun…
or here: http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Keep_multiple_kernel_versions you
always have a way out if the KOTD falls over on you.
You can also take a look at Kernel:HEAD
https://build.opensuse.org/project/show?project=Kernel%3AHEAD
Jos Poortvliet wrote a nice intro to Kernels in openSUSE here:
http://news.opensuse.org/2011/06/06/get-your-fresh-kernels-from-opensuse-an…
This doesn't resolve the "shelf-life" issue for you, but... that's
something every fixed release distro has to deal with. At least
you've got the option to use the kernel you want :-)
Another option is Tumbleweed, which I personally like better. I don't know who is
maintaining this ATM, but I remember Greg KH doing that before, so I assume its somebody
capable. I personally run Tumbleweed, and the issues I ever had were at max minor things.
ATM its 3.7.9 but they will switch pretty soon to 3.8 I think...
http://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Tumbleweed
http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/openSUSE:/Tumbleweed/standard
- mike
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4:55 a.m.
New subject: AW: [opensuse-project] Kernel 3.8?
On Friday 22 February 2013 10:18:07 Michael Kromer wrote:
Hi,
True. A simple "well this what we call freeze" would have done the job.
He still does it ;-)
Wow, this
is the first response that wasn't rude. Thank you.
I was surprised at how rude all the other responses were - that was a
stark contrast to how the opensuse community has been at the forums.
I guess the community is more patient than the actual project team?>
The
people who were snarky and rude should know better :-( On to other things though...
If you need the latest and greatest kernel vs what was included with
any openSUSE release, you can use the KOTD
http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Kernel_of_the_day
This of course comes with its risk of broken things - although in my
experience it's rarely so broken that it doesn't work at all. If you
follow the steps documented here:
http://doc.opensuse.org/documentation/html/openSUSE/opensuse-tuning/cha.
tuning.multikernel.html or here:
http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Keep_multiple_kernel_versions you always
have a way out if the KOTD falls over on you.
You can also take a look at Kernel:HEAD
https://build.opensuse.org/project/show?project=Kernel%3AHEAD
Jos Poortvliet wrote a nice intro to Kernels in openSUSE here:
http://news.opensuse.org/2011/06/06/get-your-fresh-kernels-from-opensuse
-and-test-linux-3-0/
This doesn't resolve the "shelf-life" issue for you, but... that's
something every fixed release distro has to deal with. At least
you've got the option to use the kernel you want :-)
Another option is Tumbleweed, which I personally like better. I don't know
who is maintaining this ATM, but I remember Greg KH doing that before, so
I assume its somebody capable. I personally run Tumbleweed, and the
issues I ever had were at max minor things. ATM its 3.7.9 but they will
switch pretty soon to 3.8 I think...
http://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Tumbleweed
http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/openSUSE:/Tumbleweed/standard
Tumbleweed usually freezes for a few weeks around the release to let things
settle down a bit, so I'm not sure if he'll push the kernel that soon.
Oh and check also http://kernel.opensuse.org for getting fresh kernels!
- mike
9:08 a.m.
New subject: AW: AW: [opensuse-project] Kernel 3.8?
Hi,
True. A simple "well this what we call freeze" would have done the job.
He still does it ;-)
Wow, this
is the first response that wasn't rude. Thank you.
I was surprised at how rude all the other responses were - that was a
stark contrast to how the opensuse community has been at the forums.
I guess the community is more patient than the actual project team?>
The
people who were snarky and rude should know better :-( On to other things though...
If you need the latest and greatest kernel vs what was included with
any openSUSE release, you can use the KOTD
http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Kernel_of_the_day
This of course comes with its risk of broken things - although in my
experience it's rarely so broken that it doesn't work at all. If you
follow the steps documented here:
http://doc.opensuse.org/documentation/html/openSUSE/opensuse-tuning/cha.
tuning.multikernel.html or here:
http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Keep_multiple_kernel_versions you always
have a way out if the KOTD falls over on you.
You can also take a look at Kernel:HEAD
https://build.opensuse.org/project/show?project=Kernel%3AHEAD
Jos Poortvliet wrote a nice intro to Kernels in openSUSE here:
http://news.opensuse.org/2011/06/06/get-your-fresh-kernels-from-opensuse
-and-test-linux-3-0/
This doesn't resolve the "shelf-life" issue for you, but... that's
something every fixed release distro has to deal with. At least
you've got the option to use the kernel you want :-)
Another option is Tumbleweed, which I personally like better. I don't know
who is maintaining this ATM, but I remember Greg KH doing that before, so
I assume its somebody capable. I personally run Tumbleweed, and the
issues I ever had were at max minor things. ATM its 3.7.9 but they will
switch pretty soon to 3.8 I think...
http://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Tumbleweed
http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/openSUSE:/Tumbleweed/standard
Tumbleweed usually freezes for a few weeks around the release to let things
settle down a bit, so I'm not sure if he'll push the kernel that soon.
Oh and check also http://kernel.opensuse.org for getting fresh kernels!
2:20 p.m.
New subject: AW: [opensuse-project] Kernel 3.8?
On 02/22/2013 03:18 AM, Michael Kromer wrote:
Hi,
True. A simple "well this what we call freeze" would have done the job.
If you read the thread in the Forum, that is what the OP was told, but he
refused to get the idea and kept harping on the issue. To my I, he was treated
better that he gave.
Larry
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Wow, this
is the first response that wasn't rude. Thank you.
I was surprised at how rude all the other responses were - that was a stark contrast to
how the opensuse community has been at the forums. I guess the community is more patient
than the actual project team?
The people who were snarky and rude should know better :-( 
23 Feb
23 Feb
4:11 a.m.
New subject: AW: [opensuse-project] Kernel 3.8?
On 02/22/2013 08:20 PM, Larry Finger wrote:
On 02/22/2013 03:18 AM, Michael Kromer wrote:
yep, that is the way it happened (he was treated nicely, but didn't
like the "feature freeze" answer, so came here to harp on):
http://forums.opensuse.org/english/get-technical-help-here/pre-release-beta…
dd
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Hi,
True. A simple "well this what we call freeze" would have done the
job.
If you read the thread in the Forum, that is what the OP was told,
but he refused to get the idea and kept harping on the issue. To my
I, he was treated better that he gave. Wow, this
is the first response that wasn't rude. Thank you.
I was surprised at how rude all the other responses were - that
was a stark contrast to how the opensuse community has been at
the forums. I guess the community is more patient than the actual
project team?
The people who were snarky and rude should know better :-(
21 Feb
21 Feb
4:27 a.m.
New subject: [opensuse-marketing] Re: [opensuse-project] Feature guide
On Wednesday 20 February 2013 16:24:41 Vincent Untz wrote:
Le mercredi 20 février 2013, à 16:08 +0100, Jos
Poortvliet a écrit :
Good news, everyone*!
The first full draft of our 12.3 feature list is online:
https://en.opensuse.org/Features_12.3
Nice!
I could really use some help with fact checking,
categorization (some
stuff ain't in the right place yet), adding of screenshots and general
improvements...
Please, if you can - help by removing/fixing factually incorrect things,
adding what's missing etc. Comments mailed to me work too but, as it's a
wiki, I prefer if you just edit away...
Not sure if that's on purpose or if it was forgotten, but I see nothing
about our cool and amazing OpenStack packages there. There was some
stuff at https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Major_features#Cloud (not fixing it directly as it might have been on
purpose)
No, was not on purpose. Some things got lost, I'm afraid :(
Sorry about that. I've added it!
I see somebody wrote about Sawfish and Awesome - and those texts are real
nice but unfortunately not about what's new. Unless we didn't ship these
window managers in 12.2, these texts can't be in the 'new features' list...
/Jos
Cheers,
Vincent
4:44 a.m.
New subject: [opensuse-marketing] Re: [opensuse-project] Feature guide
* Jos Poortvliet <jos(a)opensuse.org> [2013-02-21 10:29]:
I see somebody wrote about Sawfish and Awesome - and
those texts are real
nice but unfortunately not about what's new. Unless we didn't ship these
window managers in 12.2, these texts can't be in the 'new features' list...
They were not shipped with 12.2.
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4:53 a.m.
New subject: [opensuse-marketing] Re: [opensuse-project] Feature guide
On Thursday 21 February 2013 10:44:36 Guido Berhoerster wrote:
* Jos Poortvliet <jos(a)opensuse.org> [2013-02-21
10:29]:
In that case, I'll include the
texts. Thanks for the good write-up, whoever
did it :D
I see somebody wrote about Sawfish and Awesome -
and those texts are
real
nice but unfortunately not about what's new. Unless we didn't ship these
window managers in 12.2, these texts can't be in the 'new features'
list...
They were not shipped with 12.2.
7:02 a.m.
New subject: [opensuse-marketing] Re: [opensuse-project] Feature guide
On 02/21/2013 10:53 AM, Jos Poortvliet wrote:
On Thursday 21 February 2013 10:44:36 Guido
Berhoerster wrote:
That would be me and I am also the packager for those two packages.
I had also written about sbcl "Steel Bank Common Lisp" package but it
somehow got lost in the wiki. Do you want something about it as well
Togan
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* Jos Poortvliet <jos(a)opensuse.org>
[2013-02-21 10:29]:
In that case, I'll include the
texts. Thanks for the good write-up, whoever
did it :D I see somebody wrote about Sawfish and Awesome -
and those texts are
real
nice but unfortunately not about what's new. Unless we didn't ship these
window managers in 12.2, these texts can't be in the 'new features'
list...
They were not shipped with 12.2.
22 Feb
22 Feb
4:53 a.m.
New subject: [opensuse-marketing] Re: [opensuse-project] Feature guide
On Thursday 21 February 2013 13:02:01 Togan Muftuoglu wrote:
On 02/21/2013 10:53 AM, Jos Poortvliet wrote:
Sure, add it. I'd prefer to have too much than miss stuff people care about.
After all, we have a short summary on the Portal page for those who don't
like long texts ;-)
On Thursday 21 February 2013 10:44:36 Guido
Berhoerster wrote:
That would be me and I am also the packager for those two packages.
I had also written about sbcl "Steel Bank Common Lisp" package but it
somehow got lost in the wiki. Do you want something about it as well * Jos Poortvliet <jos(a)opensuse.org>
[2013-02-21 10:29]:
In that case, I'll include the texts. Thanks for the good write-up,
whoever did it :D I see somebody wrote about Sawfish and Awesome -
and those texts are
real
nice but unfortunately not about what's new. Unless we didn't ship
these
window managers in 12.2, these texts can't be in the 'new features'
list...
They were not shipped with 12.2. Togan
21 Feb
21 Feb
4:08 a.m.
Jos Poortvliet wrote:
Good news, everyone*!
The first full draft of our 12.3 feature list is online:
https://en.opensuse.org/Features_12.3
I could really use some help with fact checking, categorization (some
stuff ain't in the right place yet), adding of screenshots and general
improvements...
Please, if you can - help by removing/fixing factually incorrect
things, adding what's missing etc. Comments mailed to me work too but,
as it's a wiki, I prefer if you just edit away...
I don't know if there is anything new wrt the systemd journal, but it
was journal was already present in 12.2.
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4:52 a.m.
On Thursday 21 February 2013 10:08:45 Per Jessen wrote:
Jos Poortvliet wrote:
The text was checked by Frederic so I'm going to assume it is correct ;-)
Good news, everyone*!
The first full draft of our 12.3 feature list is online:
https://en.opensuse.org/Features_12.3
I could really use some help with fact checking, categorization (some
stuff ain't in the right place yet), adding of screenshots and general
improvements...
Please, if you can - help by removing/fixing factually incorrect
things, adding what's missing etc. Comments mailed to me work too but,
as it's a wiki, I prefer if you just edit away...
I don't know if there is anything new wrt the systemd journal, but it
was journal was already present in 12.2. 
9:27 a.m.
On Thu, 2013-02-21 at 10:52 +0100, Jos Poortvliet wrote:
The text was checked by Frederic so I'm going to assume it is correct ;-)
No,
it's in 12.2 and installed by default (though as
'systemd-journalctl' instead of just 'journalctl' in 12.3). I'm sure
there's lots of new features in the journal, but the journal itself is
not new.
7:36 p.m.
Hello all,
I have just added the promised screenshots in the 12.3 Feature page.
Geekings,
Ilias R.
On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 3:27 PM, Michael Catanzaro
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On Thu, 2013-02-21 at 10:52 +0100, Jos Poortvliet
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The text was checked by Frederic so I'm going to alssume it is correct ;-)
No,
it's in 12.2 and installed by default (though as
'systemd-journalctl' instead of just 'journalctl' in 12.3). I'm sure
there's lots of new features in the journal, but the journal itself is
not new.
22 Feb
22 Feb
4:52 a.m.
On Friday 22 February 2013 01:36:54 Ilias R. wrote:
Hello all,
I have just added the promised screenshots in the 12.3 Feature page.
Awesome!!!
Geekings,
Ilias R.
On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 3:27 PM, Michael Catanzaro
<mike.catanzaro(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 2013-02-21 at 10:52 +0100, Jos Poortvliet wrote:
>> The text was checked by Frederic so I'm going to alssume it is correct
>> ;-)>
> No, it's in 12.2 and installed by default (though as
> 'systemd-journalctl' instead of just 'journalctl' in 12.3). I'm
sure
> there's lots of new features in the journal, but the journal itself is
> not new.
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