On 02/20/2013 04:24 PM, Vincent Untz wrote:

Le mercredi 20 février 2013, à 16:08 +0100, Jos Poortvliet a écrit :

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Good news, everyone*!

The first full draft of our 12.3 feature list is online: https://en.opensuse.org/Features_12.3

Nice!

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I could really use some help with fact checking, categorization (some stuff ain't in the right place yet), adding of screenshots and general improvements...

Please, if you can - help by removing/fixing factually incorrect things, adding what's missing etc. Comments mailed to me work too but, as it's a wiki, I prefer if you just edit away...

Any reason that http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Major_features#Window_Managers where awesome and sawfish are discussed are not included. Togan Ps. replies only to list please -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org

On Wed, 2013-02-20 at 11:23 -0800, Don Rhummy wrote:

I know there's been a feature-freeze, but since kernel 3.8 is already released, it would be of great benefit to make openSUSE 12.3 release with the 3.8 kernel. Releasing on an already past-kernel makes openSUSE 12.3 have a shorter shelf-life, especially on mobile devices like ultrabooks and laptops. Even if it means delaying openSUSE 12.3 for a few months, the long-term benefits would outweight that.

a 'few' months? Yes, let's skip the release and release 13.1 in 8 month (which is a 'few' months). But then, wait: gnome 3.10 just slipped the dead line.. let's postpone another 'few' months, and skip 13.1 until next year... oh no.. KDE just slipped the release.. let's slip a 'few' months until we get this in as well).. Doh! Let's stop releasing software all together! We are always behind the latest and greatest release! Dominique -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org

On 02/20/2013 01:32 PM, šumski wrote:

On Wednesday 20 of February 2013 11:23:29 Don Rhummy wrote:

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Even if it means delaying openSUSE 12.3 for a few months, the long-term benefits would outweight that.

Shall we maybe then wait for 3.9? Would be just around the corner by that time.

I have some great stuff planned for 3.10. When will it stop? :) Larry -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org

Wow, this is the first response that wasn't rude. Thank you. I was surprised at how rude all the other responses were - that was a stark contrast to how the opensuse community has been at the forums. I guess the community is more patient than the actual project team? Thanks Stephen for the link. ----- Original Message ----- From: Stephan Kulow To: opensuse-project@opensuse.org Cc: Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 5:47 AM Subject: Re: [opensuse-project] Kernel 3.8? On 20.02.2013 20:23, Don Rhummy wrote:

I know there's been a feature-freeze, but since kernel 3.8 is already released, it would be of great benefit to make openSUSE 12.3 release with the 3.8 kernel. Releasing on an already past-kernel makes openSUSE 12.3 have a shorter shelf-life, especially on mobile devices like ultrabooks and laptops. Even if it means delaying openSUSE 12.3 for a few months, the long-term benefits would outweight that.

This was decided in january: http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-kernel/2013-01/msg00008.html Greetings, Stephan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org

בתאריך 22/02/2013 08:49, ציטוט C:

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Wow, this is the first response that wasn't rude. Thank you.

I was surprised at how rude all the other responses were - that was a stark contrast to how the opensuse community has been at the forums. I guess the community is more patient than the actual project team?

The people who were snarky and rude should know better :-(

On to other things though...

If you need the latest and greatest kernel vs what was included with any openSUSE release, you can use the KOTD http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Kernel_of_the_day

This of course comes with its risk of broken things - although in my experience it's rarely so broken that it doesn't work at all. If you follow the steps documented here: http://doc.opensuse.org/documentation/html/openSUSE/opensuse-tuning/cha.tuni... or here: http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Keep_multiple_kernel_versions you always have a way out if the KOTD falls over on you.

You can also take a look at Kernel:HEAD https://build.opensuse.org/project/show?project=Kernel%3AHEAD

Jos Poortvliet wrote a nice intro to Kernels in openSUSE here: http://news.opensuse.org/2011/06/06/get-your-fresh-kernels-from-opensuse-and...

This doesn't resolve the "shelf-life" issue for you, but... that's something every fixed release distro has to deal with. At least you've got the option to use the kernel you want :-)

C. Just want to ask little question . i know that opensuse will ship with kernel 3.7 and i know that most of the chances that kernel 3.7 will end of life very soon (may be before opensuse 12.3 will released) soo what are the policy about it?? if it will happen and kernel 3.7 will be EOL why not move to the next supported kernel ? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org

On Friday 22 February 2013 10:18:07 Michael Kromer wrote:

Hi,

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Wow, this is the first response that wasn't rude. Thank you.

I was surprised at how rude all the other responses were - that was a stark contrast to how the opensuse community has been at the forums. I guess the community is more patient than the actual project team?> The people who were snarky and rude should know better :-(

True. A simple "well this what we call freeze" would have done the job.

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On to other things though...

If you need the latest and greatest kernel vs what was included with any openSUSE release, you can use the KOTD http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Kernel_of_the_day

This of course comes with its risk of broken things - although in my experience it's rarely so broken that it doesn't work at all. If you follow the steps documented here: http://doc.opensuse.org/documentation/html/openSUSE/opensuse-tuning/cha. tuning.multikernel.html or here: http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Keep_multiple_kernel_versions you always have a way out if the KOTD falls over on you.

You can also take a look at Kernel:HEAD https://build.opensuse.org/project/show?project=Kernel%3AHEAD

Jos Poortvliet wrote a nice intro to Kernels in openSUSE here: http://news.opensuse.org/2011/06/06/get-your-fresh-kernels-from-opensuse -and-test-linux-3-0/

This doesn't resolve the "shelf-life" issue for you, but... that's something every fixed release distro has to deal with. At least you've got the option to use the kernel you want :-)

Another option is Tumbleweed, which I personally like better. I don't know who is maintaining this ATM, but I remember Greg KH doing that before, so I assume its somebody capable. He still does it ;-)

I personally run Tumbleweed, and the issues I ever had were at max minor things. ATM its 3.7.9 but they will switch pretty soon to 3.8 I think...

http://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Tumbleweed

http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/openSUSE:/Tumbleweed/standard

Tumbleweed usually freezes for a few weeks around the release to let things settle down a bit, so I'm not sure if he'll push the kernel that soon. Oh and check also http://kernel.opensuse.org for getting fresh kernels!

- mike

On 02/22/2013 03:18 AM, Michael Kromer wrote:

Hi,

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Wow, this is the first response that wasn't rude. Thank you.

I was surprised at how rude all the other responses were - that was a stark contrast to how the opensuse community has been at the forums. I guess the community is more patient than the actual project team?

The people who were snarky and rude should know better :-(

True. A simple "well this what we call freeze" would have done the job.

If you read the thread in the Forum, that is what the OP was told, but he refused to get the idea and kept harping on the issue. To my I, he was treated better that he gave. Larry -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org

On Wednesday 20 February 2013 16:24:41 Vincent Untz wrote:

Le mercredi 20 février 2013, à 16:08 +0100, Jos Poortvliet a écrit :

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Good news, everyone*!

The first full draft of our 12.3 feature list is online: https://en.opensuse.org/Features_12.3

Nice!

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I could really use some help with fact checking, categorization (some stuff ain't in the right place yet), adding of screenshots and general improvements...

Please, if you can - help by removing/fixing factually incorrect things, adding what's missing etc. Comments mailed to me work too but, as it's a wiki, I prefer if you just edit away...

Not sure if that's on purpose or if it was forgotten, but I see nothing about our cool and amazing OpenStack packages there. There was some stuff at https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Major_features#Cloud

(not fixing it directly as it might have been on purpose)

No, was not on purpose. Some things got lost, I'm afraid :( Sorry about that. I've added it! I see somebody wrote about Sawfish and Awesome - and those texts are real nice but unfortunately not about what's new. Unless we didn't ship these window managers in 12.2, these texts can't be in the 'new features' list... /Jos

Cheers,

Vincent

On Thursday 21 February 2013 10:44:36 Guido Berhoerster wrote:

* Jos Poortvliet [2013-02-21 10:29]:

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I see somebody wrote about Sawfish and Awesome - and those texts are real nice but unfortunately not about what's new. Unless we didn't ship these window managers in 12.2, these texts can't be in the 'new features' list... They were not shipped with 12.2. In that case, I'll include the texts. Thanks for the good write-up, whoever did it :D

On Thursday 21 February 2013 13:02:01 Togan Muftuoglu wrote:

On 02/21/2013 10:53 AM, Jos Poortvliet wrote:

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On Thursday 21 February 2013 10:44:36 Guido Berhoerster wrote:

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* Jos Poortvliet [2013-02-21 10:29]:

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I see somebody wrote about Sawfish and Awesome - and those texts are real nice but unfortunately not about what's new. Unless we didn't ship these window managers in 12.2, these texts can't be in the 'new features' list...

They were not shipped with 12.2.

In that case, I'll include the texts. Thanks for the good write-up, whoever did it :D

That would be me and I am also the packager for those two packages.

I had also written about sbcl "Steel Bank Common Lisp" package but it somehow got lost in the wiki. Do you want something about it as well

Sure, add it. I'd prefer to have too much than miss stuff people care about. After all, we have a short summary on the Portal page for those who don't like long texts ;-)

Togan

On Thursday 21 February 2013 10:08:45 Per Jessen wrote:

Jos Poortvliet wrote:

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Good news, everyone*!

The first full draft of our 12.3 feature list is online: https://en.opensuse.org/Features_12.3

I could really use some help with fact checking, categorization (some stuff ain't in the right place yet), adding of screenshots and general improvements...

Please, if you can - help by removing/fixing factually incorrect things, adding what's missing etc. Comments mailed to me work too but, as it's a wiki, I prefer if you just edit away...

I don't know if there is anything new wrt the systemd journal, but it was journal was already present in 12.2.

The text was checked by Frederic so I'm going to assume it is correct ;-)

Hello all, I have just added the promised screenshots in the 12.3 Feature page. Geekings, Ilias R. On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 3:27 PM, Michael Catanzaro wrote:

On Thu, 2013-02-21 at 10:52 +0100, Jos Poortvliet wrote:

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The text was checked by Frederic so I'm going to alssume it is correct ;-)

No, it's in 12.2 and installed by default (though as 'systemd-journalctl' instead of just 'journalctl' in 12.3). I'm sure there's lots of new features in the journal, but the journal itself is not new.

-- Ilias R. (Zoumpis) -- About Me-- http://zoumpis.wordpress.com https://github.com/athanrous -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org