Le 02/08/2015 19:29, Richard Brown a écrit :

You are entitled to your opinion, but there is plenty of research from respected experts on the topic who all state that motivations for joining open source projects are normally not altruistic, and are normally due to selfish reasons, like being able to scratch their own itch

I think we have a vocabulary problem. searching for as much audience as possible have nothing to do with altruism. There is a manageable benefit that is described in your link: recognition and ego (and more)

The year is 2015. Open source has established itself as A major, if not THE major way of developing software.

sincerely, who cares? You are too much thinking as a developer. I really think that all yours arguments are *against* your thesis. We do *not* need to search for developers, we have them. Every developer knows what open source is, and if you can't give money, you wont catch windows developers. If you don't want a distro's war, you can't bring other distros developers, so where do you think you are going to find one? be clear on that. We need to have a clear story to

distinguish us from the millions of other open source projects people can now contribute to. "We're special because we're openSUSE and we have users who make us special" just doesn't mean anything any more..I'm not sure it ever did..

I never said so, and I completely agree with this. we have to ask the question: what do we have special? how can we make it better? We (don't know who, really), with OBS, QA, studio, made an enormous effort to the developers and this didn't bring more contributors according to what yourself said.

Agreed. How about we agree to call this "Engagement" like the GNOME Project does instead of Marketing

yes. May be look at what "volunteer match" do :-) http://www.volunteermatch.org/

Next, I do not believe working as part of a team appeals to everyone

I do not take "team" as the very restricted meaning we have now. For me openSUSE project *is* a team. What else? ,

and i think the Project should be structured in a way which encourages both individual contributions (working collaboratively, but not necessarily as part of a team) as well as more structured group work

individuals already do what they want, if this is for openSUSE, so good, if not so bad, we can't do anything to that, so the only thing we can do is try to find some way to have people do what *we*, as a project, do. 64 people answered to my poll https://connect.opensuse.org/pg/polls/read/jdd_sysop/48150/are-you-still-an-... why did they?

We should accept that there are very real, very tangible, and often very selfish reasons people contribute to open source, and we should do our best to Engage with them so openSUSE becomes a natural focal point for those contributions which can help us grow and succeed

I don't see any apart hiring them for a salary... can you do that. I know few people do things for altruist reasons, but read your own links: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open-source_movement#Motivations_of_Programmer... (I read "the cathedral and the bazaar in the 1995's)

Good, and I hope you find reasons to think it's special beyond empty words. I know they sounds nice, but its really important openSUSE has real reasons upon which people are drawn to, use our stuff, and engage with our project.

and what reason do you find over what is listed in wikipedia? what mean for you "targeting makers", you say this for several month and what is it about? I don't think it's the major goal, but it's a goal, of course. thanks jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org