[opensuse-project] becoming a opensuse team member
On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 8:28 AM, Vincent Untz <vuntz@opensuse.org> wrote:
Le lundi 21 juin 2010, à 13:57 +0200, DenverD a écrit :
Guido Berhoerster wrote:
* Vincent Untz <vuntz@opensuse.org> [2010-06-21 12:28]:
The question is why are all the people you're listing not members yet? They should probably be!
I'm not a member, and apart from not being able to participate in decision-making I haven't seen a need yet to bother with an application process. Actually I think the openness and simplicity of taking part in openSUSE development without having to bother with membership, mandatory mentoring etc. as in other comparable projects is a strength of openSUSE.
same here, i've been contributing in several ways for several years and a couple times thought i should "become a member" but when i got to to part where i had to try to prove my worth as a contributor to an unseen panel of judges, i decided i'd rather just do what i do and let those in "the Community" who wanna be in charge of something (like deciding who gets into the circle and who can decide the future, etc) do that, without me signing up and _asking_ to join the in-crowd..
Wow. You seem to have a really negative image of the membership process :/ How can we improve this? Why is it a burden for you to mention your contributions when applying? I don't remember this process to be difficult or awkward when I applied a few years ago.
I became a member a year+ ago specifically because I wanted to be able to create openfate entries. (No longer restricted to members). I haven't recently checked the wording of the page describing becoming a team member, but at the time it seemed to imply members had to earn their stripes (ie. prove themselves) by doing more than your casual enthusiast like myself. (ie. Packagers, bug fixers, etc. seemed to emphasized.) Even though I participate in a lot of opensuse threads thus providing support, file a few bugzillas, etc. and have even updated some wiki pages, I was not at all sure I'd be accepted. Maybe the wording of that section needs to be softened to reflect the actual critieria used to accept members. Or maybe the criteria themselves need to be softened. Greg (team member) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
Greg Freemyer schreef:
On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 8:28 AM, Vincent Untz <vuntz@opensuse.org> wrote:
Le lundi 21 juin 2010, à 13:57 +0200, DenverD a écrit :
Guido Berhoerster wrote:
* Vincent Untz <vuntz@opensuse.org> [2010-06-21 12:28]:
The question is why are all the people you're listing not members yet? They should probably be!
I'm not a member, and apart from not being able to participate in decision-making I haven't seen a need yet to bother with an application process. Actually I think the openness and simplicity of taking part in openSUSE development without having to bother with membership, mandatory mentoring etc. as in other comparable projects is a strength of openSUSE.
same here, i've been contributing in several ways for several years and a couple times thought i should "become a member" but when i got to to part where i had to try to prove my worth as a contributor to an unseen panel of judges, i decided i'd rather just do what i do and let those in "the Community" who wanna be in charge of something (like deciding who gets into the circle and who can decide the future, etc) do that, without me signing up and _asking_ to join the in-crowd..
Wow. You seem to have a really negative image of the membership process :/ How can we improve this? Why is it a burden for you to mention your contributions when applying? I don't remember this process to be difficult or awkward when I applied a few years ago.
I became a member a year+ ago specifically because I wanted to be able to create openfate entries. (No longer restricted to members).
I haven't recently checked the wording of the page describing becoming a team member, but at the time it seemed to imply members had to earn their stripes (ie. prove themselves) by doing more than your casual enthusiast like myself.
(ie. Packagers, bug fixers, etc. seemed to emphasized.)
Even though I participate in a lot of opensuse threads thus providing support, file a few bugzillas, etc. and have even updated some wiki pages, I was not at all sure I'd be accepted.
Maybe the wording of that section needs to be softened to reflect the actual critieria used to accept members. Or maybe the criteria themselves need to be softened.
Greg (team member)
..and slowly the mystery of the team-members becomes unraveled...(is revealed..) (thnx for taking this to another topic) A foundation however doesn't have members, only board-members. It can contain an association , which ofcourse CAN have members. -- Enjoy your time around, Oddball, aka M9. OS: Linux 2.6.27.19-3.2-default x86_64 Huidige gebruiker: oddball@AMD64x2-sfn1 Systeem: openSUSE 11.1 (x86_64) KDE: 4.2.1 (KDE 4.2.1) "release 103" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
Le lundi 21 juin 2010, à 17:36 +0200, Oddball a écrit :
A foundation however doesn't have members, only board-members. It can contain an association , which ofcourse CAN have members.
Hrm, no. The GNOME Foundation, for example, has members. Those members elect the board members. It might depend on where the Foundation is incorporated, though. Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
Vincent Untz schreef:
Le lundi 21 juin 2010, à 17:36 +0200, Oddball a écrit :
A foundation however doesn't have members, only board-members. It can contain an association , which ofcourse CAN have members.
Hrm, no. The GNOME Foundation, for example, has members. Those members elect the board members.
It might depend on where the Foundation is incorporated, though.
Vincent
Sure, laws differ from country to country... In holland a 'stichting' (foundation) has 'bestuursleden' (governing board members), who are taken in the 'stichtingsakte' (foundation certificate) or 'akte van bestuur' (certificate of governing board) Below the 'statuten' (statutes)these members are written along with their function, and are 'hoofdelijk aansprakelijk' (severally responsible) for the acts of the 'stichting'. They choose a 'voorzitter' (president), and a 'penningmeester' (treasurer), from their midst. All others are 'bestuursleden' (governing board members), and 'bestuurleden' (governing board members)only. -- Enjoy your time around, Oddball, aka M9. OS: Linux 2.6.27.19-3.2-default x86_64 Huidige gebruiker: oddball@AMD64x2-sfn1 Systeem: openSUSE 11.1 (x86_64) KDE: 4.2.1 (KDE 4.2.1) "release 103" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
Le lundi 21 juin 2010, à 11:15 -0400, Greg Freemyer a écrit :
I haven't recently checked the wording of the page describing becoming a team member, but at the time it seemed to imply members had to earn their stripes (ie. prove themselves) by doing more than your casual enthusiast like myself.
(ie. Packagers, bug fixers, etc. seemed to emphasized.)
Even though I participate in a lot of opensuse threads thus providing support, file a few bugzillas, etc. and have even updated some wiki pages, I was not at all sure I'd be accepted.
Maybe the wording of that section needs to be softened to reflect the actual critieria used to accept members. Or maybe the criteria themselves need to be softened.
Thanks for the feedback! Quoting http://en.opensuse.org/Members, the current wording is: ========= To apply for an openSUSE membership, head over to users.openSUSE.org, login, and then go to your profile page and select the "I want to Become a Member" link, and there mention your contributions (hint: register your nick first at freenode. Contributions taken into consideration will include -- but are not exclusive -- to: * Code and Packaging * Wiki Editing * Bug reporting and triaging * Translation * Continued User Support on any Communication Medium * Giving openSUSE Talks/Presentation and/or promoting openSUSE * Help openSUSE as an Ambassador Please ensure that you have also signed the Guiding Principles in the User Directory. ========= Is this something you think we should soften? I must admit it feels okay to me, but I might not be the best person to ask... There might be some additional wording on users.opensuse.org when you click the "I want to Become a Member". Can someone who's not a member look at the page and then quote the text here? (Yes, once you're a member, it's a bit hard to see the page...) Thanks, Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 02:09, Vincent Untz wrote:
There might be some additional wording on users.opensuse.org when you click the "I want to Become a Member". Can someone who's not a member look at the page and then quote the text here? (Yes, once you're a member, it's a bit hard to see the page...)
<start quote> openSUSE Members are specifically distinguished contributors who have brought a continued and substantial contribution to the openSUSE project. They are approved by the openSUSE board. The benefits of the openSUSE membership are explained in the Members wiki page. Please review and complete the form for your membership request. Fields marked with * are required. ------ snipped the form part asking what email address you want etc ------ Contributions * Please describe your contributions to the openSUSE project in detail. Contributions taken into consideration will include -- but are not exclusive -- to: code and packaging; wiki editing; bug reporting and triaging; translation; and continued user support on any communication medium. Example * Wiki: I translate many pages into other languages and maintain several HOWTOs * Build Service: I maintain 12 packages * IRC: I'm a moderator and regular helper on IRC in #suse * Testing: I've been an openSUSE beta-tester since 10.0 and reported several dozens of bugs Hint The openSUSE Community Board has to validate your request to become a member. To make our job easier, please provide links to your contributions: for example, link to some mailing list posts in the archives, don't just say 'I help people frequently on mailing lists'; or link to some Bugzilla bugs you have filed. <end quote> C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
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