4.9.18 (Wt), Richard Brown <RBrownCCB(a)opensuse.org> napisał(a):
Temat: Re: [opensuse-project] Re: Board Meeting Minutes of August 21 2018
Do: "Ana Martínez" <anamma06(a)gmail.com>
DW: "opensuse-project" <opensuse-project(a)opensuse.org>
Data: 4 Wrzesień 2018 (Wtorek), 13:13
On Tue, 4 Sep 2018 at 12:53, Ana
On Tue, 4 Sep 2018 at 12:53, Ana Martínez <anamma06(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I object to
not discuss it.
From this thread I get that:
- Community wants the votes to be public
Some of the community wants the votes to be public. There are others who do not.
I don't really need public votes, if Board votes on things requiring privacy.
I agree with your principle. My point is, the Board
should only be
deciding on topics where there is a good reason not to make it public.
What was the good reason for the board to decide on the football team
and not to make it public?
Because, unlike the vast amount of other sponsorships which the
Project decides upon without the Board's direct involvement, the
unusual nature of this one led to the marketing team (who normally
decide on sponsorships) asking the Board for our opinion.
OK. So this was not a decision but an opinion. And the final decision was made (or not
yet?) by marketing team, I supouse.
I think, in this particular case Board could pass their opinion as description of thoughts
even if contradicting (with names? Board internally decide) to the marketing team (like
"more of us think that but some think different", more detailed of course).
If marketing team doesn't specified that this could be discussed in public and need
private opinion of Board, I would insert into minutes only "Board issued opinion on
sponsorship opportunity as requested by marketing team". (I don't know how
marketing team works on sponsorship and how much public they are. I'm sorry, if this
is some kind of bad interpretation of situation.)
If marketing team doesn't need keep this sponsorship private why not starting
discussion right here, just as it was with foundation options, when everybody could write
their opinions on various options.
We have the Board so the Project has people who can
but trusted decisions.
I disagree. I believe the Board should make popular decisions, which
represent what the community wants.
From our Wiki: Facilitate decision making processes where needed.
Facilitate decision is not the same as decide and it also doesn't
include anything about unpopular decisions.
Indeed, so on the topic that decided this, I think there is a case to
be made that the Board could consider suggesting a way to allow the
marketing team to decide about sponsorships without involving the
Board. I would fully support such an effort.
But without such a way, we end up being the only process left
And that process in which the Board makes decisions is one which
doesn't make those votes public, because the Board is designed and
structured for making decisions only in cases where no other process
or community mechanisms exist.
The Board should only be making decisions _as_a_last_resort_.
When that is the case, we need to have the freedom to make those
decisions with private voting (but public minuting).
As many decisions as possible should be made by people other than the
Board - like our wiki says "community mechanisms exist to accomplish
the goals of the project" - the Board is there for when those
community mechanisms don't exist, or fail to work for the Project.
Board's function is only to make popular decisions, then we
might as well not have a Board and put everything to a popular vote.
And such an option is not viable in many of those cases.
I really like the idea for the cases in which it is possible.
I really think those cases should be none of the Board's business, and
should be handled elsewhere in the Project.
To kinda sum up my toughts:
- Board could recognize if meeting item needs voting (now it looks like voting on football
team sponsorship was unnecessary)
- Board could internally clearly to all Board members decide if current case requires
privacy and how much (sometimes Board is the last resort [no community mechanism], but the
case is public)
- Board could internally also clearly to all Board members decide if they can share their
opinions or votes (if case is public, why vote and not discuss it in public? or discuss it
in public then public/private vote?)
Patryk 'Sanchez' Zera
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