16 Apr
2018
16 Apr
'18
10:27 p.m.
Some may say this is off topic, but I think it is on topic for the
Project and for the Mailing Lists:
To those who would resort to using my Board candidacy for online
bullying tactics to try to silence me when I have a valid point(s), it
is not only against the Guiding Principles, but it is a complete waste
of time.
Let me make it clear. I only offered up my Candidacy for the Board for
three reasons:
1) I care about openSUSE and how it is governed;
2) There were only 3 candidates I was aware of who were running for 3
openings on the Board, all of whom would make great Board Members. I
offered up my Candidacy (prompted by someone, and no, not knurpht) so
that whoever made it on the Board would not simply have made it by
acclamation, but would actually win by merit; and
3) I was prompted by someone who I have deep respect for, as I mentioned
in #2, but the who is confidential.
Personally, I do not really care if I am elected to the Board. All
candidates are great prospects for the position, and I will be perfectly
happy with any 3 of the candidates that make it, and will be thrilled
for them.
If I *do* make it, I will -- of course -- dedicate myself to the job and
will bust my A.. to do the best job possible, but if not, I have many,
many other things I would love to turn my attention to.
So, do not waste your time with trying to threaten me over my candidacy.
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17 Apr
17 Apr
5:25 a.m.
On 17/04/18 12:27, Fraser_Bell wrote:
Some may say this is off topic, but I think it is on
topic for the
Project and for the Mailing Lists:
To those who would resort to using my Board candidacy for online
bullying tactics to try to silence me when I have a valid point(s), it
is not only against the Guiding Principles, but it is a complete waste
of time.
Let me make it clear. I only offered up my Candidacy for the Board
for three reasons:
1) I care about openSUSE and how it is governed;
2) There were only 3 candidates I was aware of who were running for 3
openings on the Board, all of whom would make great Board Members. I
offered up my Candidacy (prompted by someone, and no, not knurpht) so
that whoever made it on the Board would not simply have made it by
acclamation, but would actually win by merit; and
3) I was prompted by someone who I have deep respect for, as I
mentioned in #2, but the who is confidential.
Personally, I do not really care if I am elected to the Board.
*PLONK!*
All candidates are great prospects for the position,
and I will be
perfectly happy with any 3 of the candidates that make it, and will be
thrilled for them.
If I *do* make it, I will -- of course -- dedicate myself to the job
and will bust my A.. to do the best job possible, but if not, I have
many, many other things I would love to turn my attention to.
So, do not waste your time with trying to threaten me over my candidacy.
BC
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7:29 a.m.
On 04/17/2018 11:25 AM, Basil Chupin wrote:
On 17/04/18 12:27, Fraser_Bell wrote:
What's the problem with the statement? And if he would care, what's the problem
then?
Not sure if, where and in which form bullying took place and what's the problem
here, but it doesn't shed a good light on the community.
Regards,
Matthias
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Some may say this is off topic, but I think it is
on topic for the Project and
for the Mailing Lists:
To those who would resort to using my Board candidacy for online bullying
tactics to try to silence me when I have a valid point(s), it is not only
against the Guiding Principles, but it is a complete waste of time.
Let me make it clear. I only offered up my Candidacy for the Board for three
reasons:
1) I care about openSUSE and how it is governed;
2) There were only 3 candidates I was aware of who were running for 3 openings
on the Board, all of whom would make great Board Members. I offered up my
Candidacy (prompted by someone, and no, not knurpht) so that whoever made it
on the Board would not simply have made it by acclamation, but would actually
win by merit; and
3) I was prompted by someone who I have deep respect for, as I mentioned in
#2, but the who is confidential.
Personally, I do not really care if I am elected to the Board.
*PLONK!*
5:14 p.m.
New subject: [opensuse-project] Online Bullying Tactics Waste Time *RESOLVED*
On 04/17/2018 04:29 AM, Matthias Brugger wrote:
Not sure if, where and in which form bullying took place and what's the problem
here, but it doesn't shed a good light on the community.
Regards,
Matthias
I like this statement, Matthias.
... and to all others on this list, the matters that prompted this
thread have been resolved satisfactorily, along with apologies that felt
sincere to me and removal of the material.
Most did not really realize what they were doing.
And, thanks to Kostas, I now know a better way of dealing with it
instead of with a public post like this.
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7:23 a.m.
2018-04-17 5:27 GMT+03:00 Fraser_Bell <Fraser_Bell(a)opensuse.org>rg>:
Some may say this is off topic, but I think it is on
topic for the Project
and for the Mailing Lists:
To those who would resort to using my Board candidacy for online bullying
tactics to try to silence me when I have a valid point(s), it is not only
against the Guiding Principles, but it is a complete waste of time.
Let me make it clear. I only offered up my Candidacy for the Board for
three reasons:
1) I care about openSUSE and how it is governed;
2) There were only 3 candidates I was aware of who were running for 3
openings on the Board, all of whom would make great Board Members. I
offered up my Candidacy (prompted by someone, and no, not knurpht) so that
whoever made it on the Board would not simply have made it by acclamation,
but would actually win by merit; and
3) I was prompted by someone who I have deep respect for, as I mentioned in
#2, but the who is confidential.
Personally, I do not really care if I am elected to the Board. All
candidates are great prospects for the position, and I will be perfectly
happy with any 3 of the candidates that make it, and will be thrilled for
them.
If I *do* make it, I will -- of course -- dedicate myself to the job and
will bust my A.. to do the best job possible, but if not, I have many, many
other things I would love to turn my attention to.
So, do not waste your time with trying to threaten me over my candidacy.
Hi Gerry
Those are serious accusations as a member of the elections committee
and responsible for those elections to run smooth I would like to
provide me evidence or whatever else you have in order to say things
like that. You can if you like provide me all that either publicly or
privately, whatever suits you I am fine. I am a long term member of
this community,an ex board member and something like that happened to
me back in 2011 if I remember correct. Back then there were a few
people that supported me and we had a happy end. I am telling you all
that so that you know that first of all I personally know how to
handle situations like that inside the community and that if you can
give me some kind of proof I am 100% on your side. Needless to say
that no form of bullying is acceptable around this community.
Waiting for your responce
Kostas 'Warlordfff' Koudaras
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3:20 p.m.
On 04/17/2018 04:23 AM, Kostas Koudaras wrote:
Hi Gerry
Those are serious accusations as a member of the elections committee
and responsible for those elections to run smooth I would like to
provide me evidence or whatever else you have in order to say things
like that. You can if you like provide me all that either publicly or
privately, whatever suits you I am fine. I am a long term member of
this community,an ex board member and something like that happened to
me back in 2011 if I remember correct. Back then there were a few
people that supported me and we had a happy end. I am telling you all
that so that you know that first of all I personally know how to
handle situations like that inside the community and that if you can
give me some kind of proof I am 100% on your side. Needless to say
that no form of bullying is acceptable around this community.
Waiting for your responce
Kostas 'Warlordfff' Koudaras
Thank you, Kostas.
Now that I know where, anything further will be discussed with you in
private.
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18 Apr
18 Apr
2:25 a.m.
Hi Kostas and Gerry,
On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 02:23:27PM +0300, Kostas Koudaras wrote:
2018-04-17 5:27 GMT+03:00 Fraser_Bell
<Fraser_Bell(a)opensuse.org>rg>:
Thanks Kostas for your supportive words. I wanted to reach Gerry
personally on IRC to support him, but I'm glad you did it, even as
openSUSE election comittee member.
I want to say out loud as well that bullying is not acceptable in this
community - Gerry, don't let it just be.
Kostas, I (and I think it would be fair for rest of the community)
would like to hear the result of your investigation of this matter.
I expect something like:
* Gerry was bullied, conflict resolution was passed to openSUSE board
* you don't share Gerry's point of view
Thanks in advance,
Tomas
Some may say this is off topic, but I think it is
on topic for the Project
and for the Mailing Lists:
To those who would resort to using my Board candidacy for online bullying
tactics to try to silence me when I have a valid point(s), it is not only
against the Guiding Principles, but it is a complete waste of time.
Let me make it clear. I only offered up my Candidacy for the Board for
three reasons:
1) I care about openSUSE and how it is governed;
2) There were only 3 candidates I was aware of who were running for 3
openings on the Board, all of whom would make great Board Members. I
offered up my Candidacy (prompted by someone, and no, not knurpht) so that
whoever made it on the Board would not simply have made it by acclamation,
but would actually win by merit; and
3) I was prompted by someone who I have deep respect for, as I mentioned in
#2, but the who is confidential.
Personally, I do not really care if I am elected to the Board. All
candidates are great prospects for the position, and I will be perfectly
happy with any 3 of the candidates that make it, and will be thrilled for
them.
If I *do* make it, I will -- of course -- dedicate myself to the job and
will bust my A.. to do the best job possible, but if not, I have many, many
other things I would love to turn my attention to.
So, do not waste your time with trying to threaten me over my candidacy.
Hi Gerry
Those are serious accusations as a member of the elections committee
and responsible for those elections to run smooth I would like to
provide me evidence or whatever else you have in order to say things
like that. You can if you like provide me all that either publicly or
privately, whatever suits you I am fine. I am a long term member of
this community,an ex board member and something like that happened to
me back in 2011 if I remember correct. Back then there were a few
people that supported me and we had a happy end. I am telling you all
that so that you know that first of all I personally know how to
handle situations like that inside the community and that if you can
give me some kind of proof I am 100% on your side. Needless to say
that no form of bullying is acceptable around this community.
Waiting for your responce
Kostas 'Warlordfff' Koudaras
3:12 a.m.
2018-04-18 9:25 GMT+03:00 Tomáš Čech <sleep_walker(a)opensuse.org>rg>:
Hi Kostas and Gerry,
On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 02:23:27PM +0300, Kostas Koudaras wrote:
Hey Tomas
No investigation was made, Gerry contacted me and told me a few things
of how he alone finally solved it but as he wanted to keep things in
private, I feel I am not authorized to give any more information on
this matter. Just to be honest and not make things bigger than they
really are, what I offered to the situation was public support and
some nice words.
2018-04-17 5:27 GMT+03:00 Fraser_Bell <Fraser_Bell(a)opensuse.org>rg>:
Thanks Kostas for your supportive words. I wanted to reach Gerry
personally on IRC to support him, but I'm glad you did it, even as
openSUSE election comittee member.
I want to say out loud as well that bullying is not acceptable in this
community - Gerry, don't let it just be.
Kostas, I (and I think it would be fair for rest of the community)
would like to hear the result of your investigation of this matter.
Some may say this is off topic, but I think it is on topic for the
Project
and for the Mailing Lists:
To those who would resort to using my Board candidacy for online bullying
tactics to try to silence me when I have a valid point(s), it is not only
against the Guiding Principles, but it is a complete waste of time.
Let me make it clear. I only offered up my Candidacy for the Board for
three reasons:
1) I care about openSUSE and how it is governed;
2) There were only 3 candidates I was aware of who were running for 3
openings on the Board, all of whom would make great Board Members. I
offered up my Candidacy (prompted by someone, and no, not knurpht) so
that
whoever made it on the Board would not simply have made it by
acclamation,
but would actually win by merit; and
3) I was prompted by someone who I have deep respect for, as I mentioned
in
#2, but the who is confidential.
Personally, I do not really care if I am elected to the Board. All
candidates are great prospects for the position, and I will be perfectly
happy with any 3 of the candidates that make it, and will be thrilled for
them.
If I *do* make it, I will -- of course -- dedicate myself to the job and
will bust my A.. to do the best job possible, but if not, I have many,
many
other things I would love to turn my attention to.
So, do not waste your time with trying to threaten me over my candidacy.
Hi Gerry
Those are serious accusations as a member of the elections committee
and responsible for those elections to run smooth I would like to
provide me evidence or whatever else you have in order to say things
like that. You can if you like provide me all that either publicly or
privately, whatever suits you I am fine. I am a long term member of
this community,an ex board member and something like that happened to
me back in 2011 if I remember correct. Back then there were a few
people that supported me and we had a happy end. I am telling you all
that so that you know that first of all I personally know how to
handle situations like that inside the community and that if you can
give me some kind of proof I am 100% on your side. Needless to say
that no form of bullying is acceptable around this community.
Waiting for your responce
Kostas 'Warlordfff' Koudaras
I expect something like:
* Gerry was bullied, conflict resolution was passed to openSUSE board
* you don't share Gerry's point of view
I am really sorry I cannot give you that. I took his word for it
judging by his contributions .I felt that normality was back at the
elections procedure so for now my work stops there. I did what I
thought I had to do for now, if the board wants to step up or if
someone feels that something is not right here and wants some further
explanations...Do what thou wilt.
Kostas
Thanks in advance,
Tomas
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