[opensuse-project] Election getting fixed (was Re: [openSUSE election] Vote now for '"spokesperson" naming'!)
Le mardi 03 février 2009, à 15:45 +0000, election-officials@opensuse.org a écrit :
You are able to participate in the following openSUSE election: "spokesperson" naming
A lot of people are mailing election-officials because the system doesn't work. So, hrm, here's a mail to tell people it's known. I think people are working on that. I'm sure a mail will be sent when it all works fine. Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
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Le mardi 03 février 2009, à 15:45 +0000, election-officials@opensuse.org a écrit :
You are able to participate in the following openSUSE election: "spokesperson" naming
A lot of people are mailing election-officials because the system doesn't work. So, hrm, here's a mail to tell people it's known. I think people are working on that.
I'm sure a mail will be sent when it all works fine.
I got that mail, but that's the first news I have about that "spokesperson". I may have missed the dicussion here, and a grep for "spokesperson" in the mailbox turns empty. Link, please? I can't vote unless I know what it is about. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkmIl88ACgkQtTMYHG2NR9WFvwCeJcxncuHOt1TTxidJY+cwtLBx zqIAoIxvIVz8wlZmgdwvpdpeZJa8dg2D =VOBJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On Tuesday 03 February 2009 20:15:19 Carlos E. R. wrote:
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On Tuesday, 2009-02-03 at 19:10 +0100, Vincent Untz wrote:
Le mardi 03 février 2009, à 15:45 +0000, election-officials@opensuse.org a écrit :
You are able to participate in the following openSUSE election: "spokesperson" naming
A lot of people are mailing election-officials because the system doesn't work. So, hrm, here's a mail to tell people it's known. I think people are working on that.
I'm sure a mail will be sent when it all works fine.
I got that mail, but that's the first news I have about that "spokesperson". I may have missed the dicussion here, and a grep for "spokesperson" in the mailbox turns empty. Link, please? I can't vote unless I know what it is about.
see e.g. http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-marketing/2008-11/msg00007.html Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, Director Platform / openSUSE, aj@suse.de SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday, 2009-02-03 at 21:23 +0100, Andreas Jaeger wrote:
I got that mail, but that's the first news I have about that "spokesperson". I may have missed the dicussion here, and a grep for "spokesperson" in the mailbox turns empty. Link, please? I can't vote unless I know what it is about.
see e.g. http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-marketing/2008-11/msg00007.html
And here there is a bit more: http://en.opensuse.org/OpenSUSE_spokesperson_concept But the info there is from last november. I miss an "official" statement or announcement, at least concurrently with the request for my vote. I like to know what I'm voting about. AFAIK, there is not even a list of candidates! - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkmJg+wACgkQtTMYHG2NR9XhKwCcC665wQ2dCaFRebb5C9fybogx MNsAnRjpULT+PMRx1AK6Yt85OFGN9qL1 =ZaVz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 04 February 2009 13:02:50 Carlos E. R. wrote:
On Tuesday, 2009-02-03 at 21:23 +0100, Andreas Jaeger wrote:
I got that mail, but that's the first news I have about that "spokesperson". I may have missed the dicussion here, and a grep for "spokesperson" in the mailbox turns empty. Link, please? I can't vote unless I know what it is about.
see e.g. http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-marketing/2008-11/msg00007.html
And here there is a bit more:
http://en.opensuse.org/OpenSUSE_spokesperson_concept
But the info there is from last november. I miss an "official" statement or announcement, at least concurrently with the request for my vote. I like to know what I'm voting about.
AFAIK, there is not even a list of candidates!
See the mail " /ignore the voting mail ..." from 17:09 ... you don't see any "candidates" because i chanceled the election again. More later ... -- with kind regards, Martin Lasarsch, Core Services SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5 90409 Nürnberg GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) martin.lasarsch@suse.de - http://www.opensuse.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
Martin Lasarsch wrote:
See the mail " /ignore the voting mail ..." from 17:09 ... you don't see any "candidates" because i chanceled the election again.
More later ...
I got another e-mail today and it seems well this time. :-) By the way, I have some questions. Who have the vote for this election ? Who decided who have the vote ? As we know, community members are grouped into some categories. [1] Board [2] "Members" approved by the Board http://en.opensuse.org/Members [3] Registered users in 'User Directory' who support the Guiding Principles. [4] Registered users in 'User Directory' who haven't supported the Guiding Principles yet. [5] Persons who think (s)he is a member, want to be a member, ask if (s)he is a member, as mentioned in http://en.opensuse.org/Community [6] Everyone who uses openSUSE (*) (*) There's a statement "We consider our users to be part of our community" in Guiding Principles. This election is aimed to decide just the name for the 'spokesperson', and it's not so critical issue for our community, because I consider, "Who can be the 'spokesperson'?", "What are their tasks ?" ... are much more important than their name. However, IMHO, in case of organizing some elections for important things hereafter, we have to discuss who should have the vote. Best, -- _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ _/_/ Satoru Matsumoto - openSUSE Member - Japan _/_/ _/_/ Marketing & Weekly News Team _/_/ _/_/ mail: helios_reds@gmx.net / irc: HeliosReds _/_/ _/_/ http://blog.geeko.jp/author/heliosreds _/_/ _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
Le jeudi 05 février 2009, à 11:52 +0900, Satoru Matsumoto a écrit :
Who have the vote for this election ?
That's the Members as in http://en.opensuse.org/Members
Who decided who have the vote ?
It will always be the Members who will vote, afaik. Note that the members page explicitly mentions this: All openSUSE members will: [...] Be able to participate in elections and votes of the openSUSE community Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
Vincent Untz wrote:
Le jeudi 05 février 2009, à 11:52 +0900, Satoru Matsumoto a écrit :
Who have the vote for this election ?
That's the Members as in http://en.opensuse.org/Members
Who decided who have the vote ?
It will always be the Members who will vote, afaik.
Note that the members page explicitly mentions this:
All openSUSE members will: [...] Be able to participate in elections and votes of the openSUSE community
Well, even if the Members are automatically given right to vote for every elections, are there any rational explanations why we should always limit voters only to Members ? -- _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ _/_/ Satoru Matsumoto - openSUSE Member - Japan _/_/ _/_/ Marketing & Weekly News Team _/_/ _/_/ mail: helios_reds@gmx.net / irc: HeliosReds _/_/ _/_/ http://blog.geeko.jp/author/heliosreds _/_/ _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
Le jeudi 05 février 2009, à 12:54 +0900, Satoru Matsumoto a écrit :
Well, even if the Members are automatically given right to vote for every elections, are there any rational explanations why we should always limit voters only to Members ?
There are various reasons. Here's one: because we are 99% sure they are real people (since their application was checked). Anybody can create 10 accounts on user.opensuse.org and approve 10 times the guiding principles. (and generally speaking, it's really much much simpler than considering any other group) Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
On Thursday 05 February 2009 05:20:13 Vincent Untz wrote:
Le jeudi 05 février 2009, à 12:54 +0900, Satoru Matsumoto a écrit :
Well, even if the Members are automatically given right to vote for every elections, are there any rational explanations why we should always limit voters only to Members ?
There are various reasons. Here's one: because we are 99% sure they are real people (since their application was checked). Anybody can create 10 accounts on user.opensuse.org and approve 10 times the guiding principles.
Good point.
(and generally speaking, it's really much much simpler than considering any other group)
Yes and no. Actually Marko was working on it to have a general voting, but i wanted to have this election fast (it was already way over time) (and no, it's not Markos fault). So we decided to go on and let only the members vote. I guess there are elections where also non members should be able to vote. I think it's ok on this one because probably mostley members will be a "spokesperson" or have to deal with them. -- with kind regards, Martin Lasarsch, Core Services SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5 90409 Nürnberg GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) martin.lasarsch@suse.de - http://www.opensuse.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday, 2009-02-05 at 11:22 +0100, Martin Lasarsch wrote:
Yes and no. Actually Marko was working on it to have a general voting, but i wanted to have this election fast (it was already way over time) (and no, it's not Markos fault). So we decided to go on and let only the members vote.
Well... I had a look there, but I simply have no idea what to vote. I don't know what it is about, there is not "proclamation by the candidates", so to speak. Pros and cons of each name. There is no current info given. Yes, I have seen the link to the proposal last year, and I will try to read the thread on the marketing list (which I'm not subscribed to, nor will I). But I would appreciate a summing up somewhere. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkmK4ukACgkQtTMYHG2NR9VP6QCfYGv1Yvl4vHBbOBmI2LprS4hb XpoAoILRXmMt/TEQNYtlNYb1S2pW1cpI =W5P9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
Martin Lasarsch a écrit :
a "spokesperson" or have to deal with them.
I just wonder why you didn't include "spokesperson" in the choices? jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://valerie.dodin.org http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-eic8MSSfM http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1412160445 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
On Thursday 05 February 2009 15:36:38 jdd wrote:
Martin Lasarsch a écrit :
a "spokesperson" or have to deal with them.
I just wonder why you didn't include "spokesperson" in the choices?
hmm ... at least here nobody thinks that this is a good name and it was always a placeholder for us ... -- with kind regards, Martin Lasarsch, Core Services SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5 90409 Nürnberg GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) martin.lasarsch@suse.de - http://www.opensuse.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 9:52 AM, Martin Lasarsch
I just wonder why you didn't include "spokesperson" in the choices?
hmm ... at least here nobody thinks that this is a good name and it was always a placeholder for us ...
I'd avoid "spokesperson" as that may imply a little more than we want
to -- i.e., that the individual speaks for the entire project.
Best,
Zonker
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Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier
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