30 Jul
2014
30 Jul
'14
10:45 p.m.
For recent releases (not historical past), is OpenSUSE derived from
other distributions
(I have a coworker who thought all distributions trace back to Red
Hat/Fedora and whom I am trying to disavow of this misunderstanding) or is
it taking the inputs of the Linux kernel, GNU rest of OS plus building
other packages from source distributions from the package maintainers (like
LibreOffice). I know that Yum is included, but are there other parts from
RedHat?
Kevin Buchs
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30 Jul
30 Jul
10:53 p.m.
On 30 July 2014 22:45, Kevin Buchs <kevin.buchs.junk(a)gmail.com> wrote:
For recent releases (not historical past), is
OpenSUSE derived from
other distributions
(I have a coworker who thought all distributions trace back to Red
Hat/Fedora and whom I am trying to disavow of this misunderstanding) or is
it taking the inputs of the Linux kernel, GNU rest of OS plus building
other packages from source distributions from the package maintainers (like
LibreOffice). I know that Yum is included, but are there other parts from
RedHat?
openSUSE is not derived from other distributions
We probably have yum available thanks to the ridiculous power of OBS
(http://www.openbuildservice.org) which makes it very easy for us to
both build packages FOR other distributions, and build packages for
our distribution FROM other distributions
but openSUSE releases are most certainly not derived from anything,
except openSUSE Factory, formerly our 'testing ground', now a viable
rolling release for both developers, enthusiasts, and our distribution
contributors
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11:03 p.m.
There are thousands of upstream projects that openSUSE pulls from, but
no upstream distribution.
Obviously the kernel is an upstream project, but so is util-linux as an example.
http://freecode.com/projects/util-linux
Some of the upstream projects get lots of support from Redhat, but
that does not make openSUSE derived from Redhat.
As a maintainer of several packages I can say I look at Redhat spec
files if they exist when I start a new packaging effort, but after
that first version my openSUSE version tends to diverge pretty
quickly. That in fact may be one of the best "proofs". Redhat spec
files in general can't build openSUSE packages. A new openSUSE
specific spec file is needed, or if/then logic has to be incorporated
into a single more complex specfile.
Greg
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On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 4:45 PM, Kevin Buchs <kevin.buchs.junk(a)gmail.com> wrote:
For recent releases (not historical past), is
OpenSUSE derived from
other distributions
(I have a coworker who thought all distributions trace back to Red
Hat/Fedora and whom I am trying to disavow of this misunderstanding) or is
it taking the inputs of the Linux kernel, GNU rest of OS plus building
other packages from source distributions from the package maintainers (like
LibreOffice). I know that Yum is included, but are there other parts from
RedHat?
Kevin Buchs
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11:47 p.m.
Le 30/07/2014 22:45, Kevin Buchs a écrit :
For recent releases (not historical past), is
OpenSUSE derived from
other distributions
openSUSE is not derived from other distribution, in the sense of Ubuntu being
derived from Debian
in fact openSUSE is probably one if not the one first Linux distribution. Many
distributions can be derived from openSUSE through suse studio
jdd
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31 Jul
31 Jul
12:43 p.m.
Hello,
On Wed, 30 Jul 2014, jdd wrote:
Le 30/07/2014 22:45, Kevin Buchs a écrit :
Actually, S.u.S.E. is partly derived from / influenced by both
Slackware and jurix. See
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SUSE_Linux_distributions#History
For recent releases (not historical past), is
OpenSUSE derived from
other distributions
openSUSE is not derived from other distribution, in the sense of
Ubuntu being derived from Debian in fact openSUSE is probably one if not the one first
Linux
distribution.
Yes. See
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1b/Linux_Distribution_Timel…
Depending on what you consider the starting point (SuSE's Slackware
distribution or jurix) it's the third or fourth oldest (after
Slackware, Debian and possibly Redhat) that still exists.
HTH,
-dnh
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1:05 p.m.
Hey,
On 30.07.2014 22:45, Kevin Buchs wrote:
For recent releases (not historical past), is
OpenSUSE derived from
other distributions
Not at all.
I have a coworker who thought all distributions trace
back to Red
Hat/Fedora and whom I am trying to disavow of this misunderstanding
Historically openSUSE, then called SUSE Linux, was derived in 1996 from
a mixture of the Jurix and Slackware distributions.
How about you show your under-educated coworker the GNU/Linux
Distribution Timeline? ;-)
http://futurist.se/gldt/
Henne
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1:13 p.m.
On 07/31/2014 01:05 PM, Henne Vogelsang wrote:
Wow, this brings back some nice
memories. Once upon a time I switched to
S.u.S.E. 4.3 from Jurix :)
Bye,
CzP
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I have a
coworker who thought all distributions trace back to Red
Hat/Fedora and whom I am trying to disavow of this misunderstanding
Historically
openSUSE, then called SUSE Linux, was derived in 1996 from
a mixture of the Jurix and Slackware distributions. 
1:21 p.m.
On Thursday, July 31, 2014 01:05:37 PM Henne Vogelsang wrote:
Hey,
Historically openSUSE, then called SUSE Linux, was
derived in 1996 from
a mixture of the Jurix and Slackware distributions.
In 12.3 you can still see Slackware remains in /etc.
Also as I understand the history, Patrick Volkerding (Slackware author)
himself was here in Furth (??) in the SUSE HQ helping or playing with the
distro at the very beginning.
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1:38 p.m.
Hey,
On 31.07.2014 13:21, Alberto Planas Dominguez wrote:
On Thursday, July 31, 2014 01:05:37 PM Henne Vogelsang
wrote:
Fortunately you have the privilege to just go to Huberts (3.2.5) or
Thomas (3.2.11) office and let the Grandpa's tell you about the good ol'
times. I recommend it :-)
Henne
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Historically openSUSE, then called SUSE Linux,
was derived in 1996 from
a mixture of the Jurix and Slackware distributions.
In 12.3 you can still see Slackware remains in /etc.
Also as I understand the history, Patrick Volkerding (Slackware author)
himself was here in Furth (??)in the SUSE HQ helping or playing with the
distro at the very beginning.
8 Aug
8 Aug
5:17 a.m.
On July 31, 2014 7:05:37 AM EDT, Henne Vogelsang <hvogel(a)opensuse.org> wrote:
Hey,
On 30.07.2014 22:45, Kevin Buchs wrote:
Nice graphic!
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For recent releases (not historical past), is
OpenSUSE derived from
other distributions
Not at all.
I have a coworker who thought all distributions
trace back to Red
Hat/Fedora and whom I am trying to disavow of this misunderstanding
Historically openSUSE, then called SUSE Linux, was derived in 1996 from
a mixture of the Jurix and Slackware distributions.
How about you show your under-educated coworker the GNU/Linux
Distribution Timeline? ;-)
http://futurist.se/gldt/
Henne
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