Hello,
here are the meeting minutes of the 2018-06-05 board meeting.
== Attendees ==
* Ana * Christian * Knurpht * Richard * Sarah * Simon
== Action Items from the face2face board meeting ==
* Handling feature requests / replacement of openFATE * ongoing work (Sarah) on https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Submitting_feature_requests * we'll list some / most important upstreams, but can't list them all * feedback welcome * Conference comittee * Richard talked to Doug to get it started * mailinglist cleanup * we'll shut down mailinglists that are not active for a year * before doing so, we'll ask on opensuse-project and the affected mailinglist * Communication channels * a few community members started to "play" with Matrix * Involving community in board meeting agenda * Ana will write to opensuse-project that community members can add items to the board agenda via https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE_talk:Board_meetings or a mail to board@ * make openSUSE subprojects more visible * Ana and Gertjan will add our subprojects (openQA, OBS, Jangouts, ...) to the wiki main page * www.o.o needs a similar update - but one job at a time * news.opensuse.org license * news.o.o should get an open source license * Richard will talk to Doug to choose one * openSUSE money independence * Simon will investigate options like SPI to handle sponsor's money independent of SUSE * projects and events sponsored by openSUSE * Richard speaks with Doug about it * we got a sponsoring proposal from a community member - Ana will reply and forward it to Doug
== Membership ==
* we'll update the documentation about becoming a member to match the simplified rules * we'll make sure non-technical contributions (for example helping at openSUSE conferences or helping with translations) are included as examples * membership for proven active contributors: * we (ideally someone from the membership commitee) will reach out to groups like forum admins and remind them that they can easily become a member for what they are doing * we won't send out such reminders to individual persons
== oSC18 review / post mortem ==
* we decided to dedicate the next meeting complete for the conference * AI everybody (board and community): send feedback about oSC18 - what did you like, what should we improve?
== Leap 15 ==
* download statistics will be late and incomplete because logging was partially broken
You can also find this summary on https://en.opensuse.org/Archive:Board_meeting_2018-06-05
Regards,
Christian Boltz
Christian Boltz composed on 2018-06-12 13:24 (UTC+0200):
- Handling feature requests / replacement of openFATE
- ongoing work (Sarah) on https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Submitting_feature_requests
- we'll list some / most important upstreams, but can't list them all
- feedback welcome
Current B.O.O. new bug creation "Severity" options:
Critical Major Normal Minor Enhancement
Instead of resolving bugs "FEATURE", they could be changed to "Enhancement", and people looking to see if a request has already been made wouldn't have to search 3 (4?) different trackers (B.O.O./github/progress.o.o/FATE) to (hopefully) find an answer.
cf. bugs.mageia.org has exactly the same "Severity" options as B.O.O. bugzilla.mozilla.org in addition to those above provides "Blocker" & "Trivial" bugs.freedesktop.org has same selections as B.M.O. bugs.webkit.org also has same selections as B.M.O. bugzilla.gnome.org includes "Blocker" & "Enhancement" but not "Trivial" bugs.kde.org has "Wishlist" rather than "Enhancement"
On 13/06/18 10:46, Felix Miata wrote:
Christian Boltz composed on 2018-06-12 13:24 (UTC+0200):
- Handling feature requests / replacement of openFATE
- ongoing work (Sarah) on https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Submitting_feature_requests
- we'll list some / most important upstreams, but can't list them all
- feedback welcome
Current B.O.O. new bug creation "Severity" options:
Critical Major Normal Minor Enhancement
Instead of resolving bugs "FEATURE", they could be changed to "Enhancement", and people looking to see if a request has already been made wouldn't have to search 3 (4?) different trackers (B.O.O./github/progress.o.o/FATE) to (hopefully) find an answer.
cf. bugs.mageia.org has exactly the same "Severity" options as B.O.O. bugzilla.mozilla.org in addition to those above provides "Blocker" & "Trivial" bugs.freedesktop.org has same selections as B.M.O. bugs.webkit.org also has same selections as B.M.O. bugzilla.gnome.org includes "Blocker" & "Enhancement" but not "Trivial" bugs.kde.org has "Wishlist" rather than "Enhancement"
The problem with this is 95% of feature requests don't belong in openSUSE trackers in the first place, if you have a feature request for part of gnome, kde or firefox for example you are much better off creating the request in there bug tracker then ours. Because it is much more likely that the upstream developers rather then the openSUSE packagers, as mentioned in the minutes we are working on a simple look up page to direct users to the right spot.
There are select cases where creating openSUSE Enhancement tickets are probably correct, like if you thing application ABC should be installed by default as part of a gnome / kde install etc.
Its also worth noting that the openSUSE bugtracker is shared by several different companies under the Microfocus umbrella (including SUSE) so we have no control over the "Severity" options and may choose not to use them all regularly.
Cheers
Simon Lees composed on 2018-06-13 11:09 (UTC+0930):
Felix Miata wrote:
Christian Boltz composed on 2018-06-12 13:24 (UTC+0200):
- Handling feature requests / replacement of openFATE
- ongoing work (Sarah) on https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Submitting_feature_requests
- we'll list some / most important upstreams, but can't list them all
- feedback welcome
Current B.O.O. new bug creation "Severity" options:
Critical Major Normal Minor Enhancement
Instead of resolving bugs "FEATURE", they could be changed to "Enhancement", and people looking to see if a request has already been made wouldn't have to search 3 (4?) different trackers (B.O.O./github/progress.o.o/FATE) to (hopefully) find an answer.
cf. bugs.mageia.org has exactly the same "Severity" options as B.O.O. bugzilla.mozilla.org in addition to those above provides "Blocker" & "Trivial" bugs.freedesktop.org has same selections as B.M.O. bugs.webkit.org also has same selections as B.M.O. bugzilla.gnome.org includes "Blocker" & "Enhancement" but not "Trivial" bugs.kde.org has "Wishlist" rather than "Enhancement"
The problem with this is 95% of feature requests don't belong in openSUSE trackers in the first place, if you have a feature request for part of gnome, kde or firefox for example you are much better off creating the request in there bug tracker then ours. Because it is much more likely that the upstream developers rather then the openSUSE packagers...
Better stated:
The overwhelming majority of feature requests belong upstream....
But, there is a significant difference between choosing among multiple trackers to search and/or request within the distro, and whether the request belongs in an upstream tracker or forum.
IMO, openSUSE is generally over-compartmentalized. e.g., not only multiple trackers, but large number of mailing lists causing difficulty choosing where to post, or search for existing, very particularly the complaints/noise caused by those announcing errant choices.
I am glad to see the announcement of intent to retire "inactive" lists.
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Christian Boltz -
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Simon Lees