Re: [opensuse-project] openSUSE suitability for new users
On Tuesday 03 March 2009 07:45:38 am Vincent Untz wrote:
Le lundi 02 mars 2009, à 10:08 -0600, Rajko M. a écrit :
This was meant as answer on one post on opensuse@opensuse.org mail list, but discussion probably suits better here, or marketing list.
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What do you think?
I think I'm missing the background (which is likely the post on opensuse@opensuse.org) because, well, I'm not quite what feedback you'd like to have :-) Can you elaborate more on what's the issue that is being discussed?
Sorry :-) It is one of threads that was off topic for the opensuse@opensuse.org and went zig-zag. This is where it starts: http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2009-03/msg00002.html = Issue = The issue that should be discussed is why after 3.5 years since openSUSE exists, Ubuntu is still growing faster than anybody else. What they do that we don't. Martin's answer has some valid points. We proclaimed as a goal "the most useful Linux" but what that means is defined just as much as "user friendly". What groups of people are happy with it. = Numbers = I believe in numbers, but my statistics skills are basic, so I need serious help there, with ideas how to organize data collection as permanent feedback. There is a lot of user feedback in mail lists and forum, but the best that we have from that is "there was a lot of complains on <name feature>". There is no numbers behind "a lot" and even worse there is no positive feedback backed with numbers. If you add ubuntu.com and fedoraproject.org in Traffic History Graph on: http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details/opensuse.org than it is obvious that opensuse.org + fedoraproject.org is on par with Ubuntu, which suggests one possible approach, that, I'm sure, will benefit users of both, but it is not the only approach. = Goal = The goal is to give openSUSE numerical feedback, that we and upstream projects can use to decide what to work on. Mentioned links can give us measure how good we are, but we need more details. -- Regards, Rajko -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
On st 4. března 2009, Rajko M. wrote: [...]
There is a lot of user feedback in mail lists and forum, but the best that we have from that is "there was a lot of complains on <name feature>". There is no numbers behind "a lot" and even worse there is no positive feedback backed with numbers.
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= Goal =
The goal is to give openSUSE numerical feedback, that we and upstream projects can use to decide what to work on. Mentioned links can give us measure how good we are, but we need more details.
The Debian Popularity Contest is able to provide the positive feedback numbers - how many people have installed given package and how many are regularly using it. The numbers are not absolute, because the participation is voluntary, but the results for openSUE would be directly comparable with Debian and Ubuntu. I have already entered a fate request: https://features.opensuse.org/305877 References: http://popcon.debian.org/FAQ http://popcon.debian.org/ http://popcon.ubuntu.com/ Vladimir -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
Vladimir Nadvornik wrote:
On st 4. března 2009, Rajko M. wrote:
= Goal =
The goal is to give openSUSE numerical feedback, that we and upstream projects can use to decide what to work on. Mentioned links can give us measure how good we are, but we need more details.
The Debian Popularity Contest is able to provide the positive feedback numbers - how many people have installed given package and how many are regularly using it. The numbers are not absolute, because the participation is voluntary, but the results for openSUE would be directly comparable with Debian and Ubuntu.
I have already entered a fate request: https://features.opensuse.org/305877
References: http://popcon.debian.org/FAQ http://popcon.debian.org/ http://popcon.ubuntu.com/
See also http://en.opensuse.org/Summer_of_Code_2009#Software_Portal It, for instance, contains: * Packages popularity (statistics based on search results, one click install functionality, etc.) Bye Lukas
Application popularity would be easier if the default install media didn't include so much, and if the repositories and BS installs were tracked. Lukas Ocilka wrote:
Vladimir Nadvornik wrote:
On st 4. března 2009, Rajko M. wrote:
= Goal =
The goal is to give openSUSE numerical feedback, that we and upstream projects can use to decide what to work on. Mentioned links can give us measure how good we are, but we need more details.
The Debian Popularity Contest is able to provide the positive feedback numbers - how many people have installed given package and how many are regularly using it. The numbers are not absolute, because the participation is voluntary, but the results for openSUE would be directly comparable with Debian and Ubuntu.
I have already entered a fate request: https://features.opensuse.org/305877
References: http://popcon.debian.org/FAQ http://popcon.debian.org/ http://popcon.ubuntu.com/
See also http://en.opensuse.org/Summer_of_Code_2009#Software_Portal
It, for instance, contains: * Packages popularity (statistics based on search results, one click install functionality, etc.)
Bye Lukas
-- James Tremblay openSIS Product Specialist http://www.os4ed.com mail james "AT" os4ed.com CNE 3,4,5 MCSE w2k CLE in training Registered Linux user #440182 http://en.opensuse.org/education -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 04 March 2009 11:43:39 am James Tremblay aka SLEducator wrote:
Application popularity would be easier if the default install media didn't include so much, and if the repositories and BS installs were tracked.
Server logs can be tracked, but they can't tell about usage anyway. On the other hand popcorn is voluntary, so numbers are useful just as a package rating. Looking this: http://popcon.ubuntu.com/maint/by_inst It comes out that Debian/Ubuntu can drop more than a half of packages and nobody will notice. Few users will see reduction to 20%. There is 83000 packages that are not maintained. It is more than intersting to me. -- Regards, Rajko -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
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