On 28.12.2011 22:13, Per Jessen wrote:

Greg Freemyer wrote:

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openSUSE currently has a 3-tier system officially;

Board members users

Unofficially it has:

project management (Coolo, etc.) developers other contributors non-contributors

The board seems to stay out of technical decisions, and the members only vote on the very occasional item. (ie. The members voted on the overall strategy recently.) I have recently begun to think this is was only a clever ploy to occupy the project members with something largely inconsequential. Those of us who occupied ourselves with debating/proposing/refining the strategy neglected to consider the one key thing - to implement a strategy one needs ownership and leadership, something we do not have.

Well we´ve got leadership. The board It´s not very strict about "leading", but why the f*ck it should? Why it should lead a bunch of people who do the entire work in their free time? There´s no sense at all. I also doubt that there´s such a hierarchy since most of the project managers are also developers (or at least working on an other project branch), so you (or Greg) would might list it that way: * project management and developers * other contributors * non-contributors And that´s only true when it comes to technical questions. I mean, if I (for example) would step up and ask for a new strategy, every member would be allowed to kick in the discussion On the other hand, not everyone has the required knowledge to face a decision about a kernel or KDE question, so everything might be alright. -- kind regards, -o) German Wiki Team Kim Leyendecker /\\ Documentation& marketing www.opensuse.org _\_v leyendecker@opensuse.org ===================================================== my GPG Key: 664265369547B825 | IRC: k-d-l Twitter: kim_d_ley | Wiki-Username: openLHAG openSUSE - Linux for open minds - get it free today! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org

On 28/12/11 21:13, Per Jessen wrote:

I have recently begun to think this is was only a clever ploy to occupy the project members with something largely inconsequential. Those of us who occupied ourselves with debating/proposing/refining the strategy neglected to consider the one key thing - to implement a strategy one needs ownership and leadership, something we do not have.

I agree with you. I raised the point of "leadership" many times in the past. Unfortunately, it's one of these topics where people get very emotional in the context of open source development (see, for instance, one of the follow-up emails in this thread). I think somebody with a background in commercial product development will probably better understand why leadership would actually be beneficial also for open source projects, at least in some scenarios. Thomas -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org