On 11 June 2015 at 16:59, Françoise Wybrecht fwybrecht@ioda-net.ch wrote:

(I wrote a few mails about openSUSE. You are free to trash them or to "not read", but of course, I secretely ;-) hope not.)

The flooding of the mailing list is not appreciated.

At OSC14, I heard Ancor and Izabel saying that we have to thank the TSP when we get some- which is of course ABSOLUTELY LOGICAL !

"Thanks to SUSE to help openSUSE contributors."

so what ?

Sorry, what what?

For sure many of you have done some openSUSE booth somewhere.

We do that for freedom, for the distribution, to share our values and for all the reasons given in another thread (snip snip) - of course we do not do it to be thanked

But ... travelling, hotel, staying 3-4-5 or more on a booth, answering, showing, sharing ...

it's very interesting but exhausting too + days given to openSUSE (and not family, vacation, work)

so :

For the next "TSP talk", would it be possible to hear : (OK it's one of my dreams)

"Thanks to SUSE to help openSUSE contributors AND thanks to contributors/geekos who give time and energy to do booth everywhere since 2009."

AND ...

Please could we (you? who?) increase TSP to 100 %

NO!!!! WE ARE NOT A CHARITY OR HOLIDAY COMPANY!!!!

Is that clear enough? We have limited funds and we want to be as inclusive as possible. If we pay 100% to people who book the most expensive travel option versus the most economical one then we go from being able to sponsor 10 people upto 80% of their value, to paying for 2 people.

The point about TSP is to enable as many of our community to just do it. Whether that be speaking at events, hacking on code/documentation, man booths.

( I'm not talking about OSC, nor about myself of course, but about all future contributions as booths, openSUSE-talks, mini-summit etc)

if we (as an openSUSE community) wish to go on having volonteers in the future - doing booths and talks, it would be great to increase TSP to 100 % for volonteers giving already a lot (as 5 working days for example-which is not NOTHING).

If you can get more sponsors and increase the money available, then still the answer will be no. What is wrong with you contributing financially to your travel? Yes your time and effort is valuable, but it still doesn't explain why we should pay for *ALL* your travel.

If we did pay for 100%, would you be happy with having the travel arranged by someone else? You provide the dates, destination and where you will depart from; as an example, say you are going to an event in Istanbul, and departing Zurich, would you be happy to go by bus? TSP will pay for all the bus fares and you stay in a youth hostel. I somehow think the answer would be no.

(and the day we'll have so much booth that TSP dont have enought money to support travel and hotel, then we'll see how to crowdfund the "TSP system")

What a ridiculous idea. If you think something is broken, your solution should fix the issue not extend the issue.

OpenSUSE community need more & more booth/talks all around the world. (This is basic marketing ... sharing openSUSE passion all over)

Why should we be every where? I'm afraid you are quite incorrect about basic marketing. Marketing is all about messaging, not presence.

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