On 5/13/21 4:41 AM, Per Jessen wrote:
Simon Lees wrote:
On 5/12/21 2:54 AM, Per Jessen wrote:
Simon Lees wrote:
Moving people off moderation:
* The Boards impression was that Heroes will automatically do this
after the time has elapsed
Moderation is something that happens so rarely, there is no automated
Maybe automated was the wrong word here, as a board we assumed that
this was being tracked by the Heroes and they would remove people from
moderation after there time period had expired, this wasn't always
Simon, like I said -
1) it happens so rarely (less than once in five years), plus -
I have been on the board for just over 3 years now and while as a board
we haven't often placed people under moderation (partly because we
probably didn't know if we could). Over the last 3 years we have dealt
with atleast several complaints a year most of which we have probably
only chosen to give warnings for. A number of cases have involved
complaints about the behavior of multiple people in one thread. In a
number of these cases and some others we believe we would have had
better outcomes for the community if moderators could step in and help
de escalate the situation quickly, in some cases even being able to
quickly place several people under temporary moderation for several days
(IE can still post but must be approved by a moderator) would have lead
to drastically better results.
2) in this case, a moderation was introduced at the
same time or closely
followed by the introduction of the jolly gang of secret moderators,
that I for one assumed it was the job of that moderator gang. 
Yeah the reason we are discussing this is because there is obviously
some confusion around the roles of all involved here and we would like
to clear that up.
3) that one person in the Heroes group activates
authorisedby the Board) on some individual on some lists does not mean
the group as a whole is aware. 
[1a] did the Board consult with the "moderators", to find out why they
did not correctly end the moderation in question?
Yes we started those discussions and looking into it as soon as we were
aware, it seems like moderators only have rights to moderate incoming
messages and can't add or remove people. When the group was set up that
was obviously the most important part.
[1b] I noticed no report on the progress of recruiting
it secret or has there not been any progress?
There has been progress, however in certain timezones there is probably
room for more progress.
 here I speak only for myself - the openSUSE Heroes
is a group of
volunteer sysadmins, primarily there to "scratch that itch". Dealing
with the once-in-a-blue-moon moderation does not itch a lot.
Yes this is precisely why it makes sense to hand these functions of to a
* As a board
we want to look at look at the rules around mailing
list usage, to put them more in line with other communications
platforms (Forums, Discord etc)
I have to ask - why not the other way around ? Mailing lists have
been around for much longer, users have way more experience and
The Forums have also been around for a very long time and have had a
very successful moderation process.
One can only assume they had a need to develop one. I do not believe we
have such a need on our mailing lists.
This is where you disagree with atleast enough of the board that we feel
it is worth discussing the topic in detail.
Simon Lees (Simotek) http://simotek.net
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