Hi,
Every now and then, on IRC (well, at least on #opensuse-gnome), there's a question like "what's the deadline to get packages in this beta" or "are we feature frozen" or "should we submit to openSUSE:11.1 instead of openSUSE:Factory". I'm nearly sure answers to all those questions are obvious to some people and/or are documented somewhere on the wiki. But the fact is that it's not obvious to a bunch of people.
I'd like to see mails sent for all of this stuff, possibly to a new mailing list (opensuse-devel-announce, which would be for announcements for people following the development of openSUSE). Eg, sending a reminder that the deadline for submitting packages for the next beta is at the end of the week, or explaining that 11.1 was branched and updates for 11.1 should be handled this way or this other way. Or announcing that we're freezing upstream versions. Stuff like that.
(fwiw, this proposal is based on what is done upstream by GNOME, and it has helped improve our life in the GNOME community)
Vincent
On Mon, Dec 08, 2008 at 12:05:00PM +0100, Vincent Untz wrote:
Every now and then, on IRC (well, at least on #opensuse-gnome), there's a question like "what's the deadline to get packages in this beta" or "are we feature frozen" or "should we submit to openSUSE:11.1 instead of openSUSE:Factory". I'm nearly sure answers to all those questions are obvious to some people and/or are documented somewhere on the wiki. But the fact is that it's not obvious to a bunch of people.
I'd like to see mails sent for all of this stuff, possibly to a new mailing list (opensuse-devel-announce, which would be for announcements for people following the development of openSUSE). Eg, sending a reminder that the deadline for submitting packages for the next beta is at the end of the week, or explaining that 11.1 was branched and updates for 11.1 should be handled this way or this other way. Or announcing that we're freezing upstream versions. Stuff like that.
+1
Best, Christoph
Vincent Untz vuntz@opensuse.org writes:
I'd like to see mails sent for all of this stuff, possibly to a new mailing list (opensuse-devel-announce, which would be for announcements for people following the development of openSUSE).
opensuse-packagers@ ?
or this very list, opensuse-project@ ?
or on opensuse-announce@ ?
I think these mails will be infrequent enough to not annoy.
S.
On Mon, 2008-12-08 at 12:05 +0100, Vincent Untz wrote:
Hi,
Every now and then, on IRC (well, at least on #opensuse-gnome), there's a question like "what's the deadline to get packages in this beta" or "are we feature frozen" or "should we submit to openSUSE:11.1 instead of openSUSE:Factory". I'm nearly sure answers to all those questions are obvious to some people and/or are documented somewhere on the wiki. But the fact is that it's not obvious to a bunch of people.
I'd like to see mails sent for all of this stuff, possibly to a new mailing list (opensuse-devel-announce, which would be for announcements for people following the development of openSUSE). Eg, sending a reminder that the deadline for submitting packages for the next beta is at the end of the week, or explaining that 11.1 was branched and updates for 11.1 should be handled this way or this other way. Or announcing that we're freezing upstream versions. Stuff like that.
Sounds like the way to go... +1
Cheers, Magnus
Am Montag 08 Dezember 2008 schrieb Vincent Untz:
Hi,
Every now and then, on IRC (well, at least on #opensuse-gnome), there's a question like "what's the deadline to get packages in this beta" or "are we feature frozen" or "should we submit to openSUSE:11.1 instead of openSUSE:Factory". I'm nearly sure answers to all those questions are obvious to some people and/or are documented somewhere on the wiki. But the fact is that it's not obvious to a bunch of people.
I'd like to see mails sent for all of this stuff, possibly to a new mailing list (opensuse-devel-announce, which would be for announcements for people following the development of openSUSE). Eg, sending a reminder that the deadline for submitting packages for the next beta is at the end of the week, or explaining that 11.1 was branched and updates for 11.1 should be handled this way or this other way. Or announcing that we're freezing upstream versions. Stuff like that.
Hi Vincent,
I don't like yet another mailing list. I used to send such reminders to opensuse-packaging@ - but due to 11.1 deadlines and SLE deadlines being so close together this was not done this time as I did not send out reminders. And opensuse-packaging is really not that high traffic that being on there without maintaining packages should be a problem.
Greetings, Stephan
Le mardi 09 décembre 2008, à 21:57 +0100, Stephan Kulow a écrit :
Am Montag 08 Dezember 2008 schrieb Vincent Untz:
Hi,
Every now and then, on IRC (well, at least on #opensuse-gnome), there's a question like "what's the deadline to get packages in this beta" or "are we feature frozen" or "should we submit to openSUSE:11.1 instead of openSUSE:Factory". I'm nearly sure answers to all those questions are obvious to some people and/or are documented somewhere on the wiki. But the fact is that it's not obvious to a bunch of people.
I'd like to see mails sent for all of this stuff, possibly to a new mailing list (opensuse-devel-announce, which would be for announcements for people following the development of openSUSE). Eg, sending a reminder that the deadline for submitting packages for the next beta is at the end of the week, or explaining that 11.1 was branched and updates for 11.1 should be handled this way or this other way. Or announcing that we're freezing upstream versions. Stuff like that.
Hi Vincent,
I don't like yet another mailing list. I used to send such reminders to opensuse-packaging@ - but due to 11.1 deadlines and SLE deadlines being so close together this was not done this time as I did not send out reminders. And opensuse-packaging is really not that high traffic that being on there without maintaining packages should be a problem.
I'm fine with opensuse-packaging. I do think another list would be better, but it's not really important -- my main request was about getting reminders & announcements sent out :-)
Is there any way we can help you on this? A potential solution could be to have automatic mails for deadline reminders, and new freezes, etc. with some script love. Won't work for everything, but that would still cover a good part. Or someone could do it -- I perfectly understand you don't have unlimited free time, so that's an easy area where we could empower someone, I guess.
Thanks,
Vincent
Am Mittwoch 10 Dezember 2008 schrieb Vincent Untz:
Is there any way we can help you on this? A potential solution could be to have automatic mails for deadline reminders, and new freezes, etc. with some script love. Won't work for everything, but that would still cover a good part. Or someone could do it -- I perfectly understand you don't have unlimited free time, so that's an easy area where we could empower someone, I guess.
Sounds like a plan. If I promise to keep every change in the roadmap wiki page, then it should be easy for someone else to send reminders - and to double check with me before sending it :)
Any volunteers?
Greetings, Stephan
Hi,
Stephan Kulow wrote:
Am Mittwoch 10 Dezember 2008 schrieb Vincent Untz:
Is there any way we can help you on this? A potential solution could be to have automatic mails for deadline reminders
Sounds like a plan. If I promise to keep every change in the roadmap wiki page, then it should be easy for someone else to send reminders - and to double check with me before sending it :)
Any volunteers?
:)
Henne
Stephan,
On Wed, 2008-12-10 at 06:53 +0100, Stephan Kulow wrote:
Am Mittwoch 10 Dezember 2008 schrieb Vincent Untz:
Is there any way we can help you on this? A potential solution could be to have automatic mails for deadline reminders, and new freezes, etc. with some script love. Won't work for everything, but that would still cover a good part. Or someone could do it -- I perfectly understand you don't have unlimited free time, so that's an easy area where we could empower someone, I guess.
Sounds like a plan. If I promise to keep every change in the roadmap wiki page, then it should be easy for someone else to send reminders - and to double check with me before sending it :)
If the roadmap contains every change (ie, when does Factory branch off and become Factory again etc) I don't mind doing it. ATM, I don't think we have that in the roadmap and I'm pretty sure that's one of the questions Vincent asked.
Cheers, Magnus
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On Wednesday, 2008-12-10 at 06:53 +0100, Stephan Kulow wrote:
Sounds like a plan. If I promise to keep every change in the roadmap wiki page, then it should be easy for someone else to send reminders - and to double check with me before sending it :)
Any volunteers?
I think the best thing would be a calendar app, posted, with automatic reminders to a mail list. You just keep the calendar up to date. The one Henne suggested seems nice.
- -- Cheers, Carlos E. R.
On Wednesday, 2008-12-10 at 06:53 +0100, Stephan Kulow wrote:
Sounds like a plan. If I promise to keep every change in the roadmap wiki page, then it should be easy for someone else to send reminders - and to double check with me before sending it :)
I could send off the reminder emails one week before deadlines as long as I don't have to double check with you every time. Otherwise you might as well send them... :-P
Cheers,
Brandon
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