Hi, Le samedi 17 novembre 2012, à 11:37 -0800, DuBois, Scott L. a écrit :

Hi Bruno and All,

I just finished reading through the minutes and a couple of things caught my attention:

* we did a bad job at creating a list of ideas for students since we didn't have any ideas :/ (vuntz, 17:38:27) * next time, we will need to evaluate if there's interest for mentoring students in GCI, so we can know if it's worth applying (vuntz, 17:45:47)

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As a a forerunner in major open source Linux distributions, I feel it is imperative that openSUSE promote the involvement and recruitment of students into the fold through sources such as GCI. Besides

Just to clarify: GCI is for high-school students, not for university students (GSoC is for university students, though).

subscribing to mailing lists to stay current with happenings at openSUSE and the variety of projects going on, I also scan through my university forums and find many students always asking questions of how to find a good mentor that will help them develop their skills so they can make that transition into their chosen fields even if what they are doing now has no relation to information technology. My responses to them are always to look towards openSUSE, KDE, Gnome or any of the other open source projects who always need people to work on a variety of projects and help with their development. Some students know very little about programming however, are very eager to learn and be pro-active. Many students aren't sure where to turn and are often looking for someone to hold out a hand and say "Hey, come check us out, were a lot of fun to hang out with and we'll show you how to do some really cool stuff."

We definitely need people who are able to attract newcomers, and guide them so they can start contributing! We have a nice wiki page summarizing how to start participating which is a good basis for that: http://en.opensuse.org/Portal:How_to_participate Cheers, Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org

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That is also a reason that IRC should be more often populated by skilled openSUSE users, not only their IRC logger bots.

I've never used IRC and probably never will. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.4 x86_64 "Celadon" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://www.enigmail.net/ iF4EAREIAAYFAlCsSRAACgkQja8UbcUWM1wT9QD9H7/Gr7CUSzsxGHRu61l7XlrY VmIhFuI0nJHNOn8WrpcBAIDlQIXPqjryFRRJEa8KK7tLAb43EFwenK0qzD/YhpdS =v2y3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org

Am Mittwoch, 21. November 2012, 14:26:46 schrieb Helen South:

On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 12:32 PM, Rajko wrote:

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Anyone that comes to openSUSE will more likely stay and become contributor if first contact is with human, not a web page. That is also a reason that IRC should be more often populated by skilled openSUSE users, not only their IRC logger bots.

This is a VERY good point. Even as a 'returning' occasional contributor I've found it quite frustrating, when I want to 'touch base' with the community again, log in to IRC and there are a lot of names on the list but nobody says hello. It's very weird, like being in a ghost town or a room full of store mannikins. It is really not a pleasant experience.

I suspect that like the mailing lists, fewer, properly attended IRC channels would be better.

IRC: helen_au helen.south@opensuse.org helensouth.com

Hello everybody, i have written the emails about this pionts... newcomers and participate and so on.... So first to me: I am german openSUSE-User since the version 7.2 so round about 10 years, and i want many times to participate to opensuse-project, but how?? I ´ve read the Wiki with "How to participate..." but i didn´t know how. I subcribe mailing- lists ... and read them the first times, but it didn´t tell me were i can start... We must take Newcomer by hand and show then How... So i ´ve got an idea.... we got to get a plan for that... Somebody from the lang time MEMBERS, should do this... A Newcomer must get a plan to get participate on opensuse-project: 1. A List of few MEMBERS (with emailadresses) which can be contact by newcomer 2. They (Members) should check up his Skills and what he want do (packaging, wiki, documentation..) in the project. 3. Then send him to contcact a Team (Teamleader), were he want to go or where is good for him to go 4. This Plan Step-by-Step must be in the Wiki by "How to be Participate!" Is this difficult, to do this in future? Cheers Johannes -- Johannes Carraro ist FAN von openSUSE-Linux https://connect.opensuse.org/pg/profile/carraroj -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org

If you have ideas, please document it onto wiki [yes that is a necessity].. just dump them.. Add your name and yes.. we will then see how it works out. We want mentors but as Rajko has already told if we dont do it, who else will. So if you are willing, start a wiki page and I will follow you for sure. Thanks Manu On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 8:18 PM, Rajko wrote:

On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 09:50:26 +0100 Johannes Carraro wrote:

...

...

Hello everybody,

... I subcribe mailing- lists ... and read them the first times, but it didn´t tell me were i can start... We must take Newcomer by hand and show then How...

Exactly. We have many plans, but not much how to help new user overcome fear to show up and start helping.

...

So i ´ve got an idea.... we got to get a plan for that... Somebody from the lang time MEMBERS, should do this... A Newcomer must get a plan to get participate on opensuse-project:

1. A List of few MEMBERS (with emailadresses) which can be contact by newcomer

It would be better to use for communication: * project mail list, * project IRC channel and * forums.

I'm not familiar with forums structure to recommend proper forum, but one can start with chit-chat forum. Forum moderators will probably spot such post and help with details. Those communications will be monitored by few volunteers that will start talk with new people.

To introduce own experience and skills one can use openSUSE Connect. There is whole a lot of room on user page that can be used to introduce all details: * from projects one worked with before, * wishes what one wants to help with, * skills acquired in the school and previous projects, * skills one wants to improve, and more.

...

2. They (Members) should check up his Skills and what he want do (packaging, wiki, documentation..) in the project. 3. Then send him to contcact a Team (Teamleader), were he want to go or where is good for him to go

This is point where we have a missing link :)

There is no team, besides Marketing that can tell single task new user can do to start participating.

I propose to create lists of Papercuts tasks for each of projects. Small annoying stuff, simple to solve, that is waiting for someone to do. List should contain: * task name * very detailed description what has to be done * list of skills, * list of objects to fix (in the wiki that would be pages to fix) * whom to contact with questions.

What this will help is to: * define tasks that come up to do again and again * (wiki) team member will have to write instructions once and list pages to fix. (This is often one wiki page that automatically list pages with a problem, so one will refer to that page by URL) * it will connect experienced team members with those that want to learn and help

...

4. This Plan Step-by-Step must be in the Wiki by "How to be Participate!"

Right.

Workflow would be: Wiki page - How to participate > Team page with papercuts And from that point people will already have live person to ask how to proceed.

...

Is this difficult, to do this in future?

No, but some has to do it.

If you can to incorporate above ideas and create plan with more details I'm here to help you and bug people with more experience that overlooked this conversation to help both of us.

...

Cheers Johannes

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Hello Team Am Donnerstag, 22. November 2012, 21:52:50 schrieb Johannes Carraro:

Am Donnerstag, 22. November 2012, 23:20:26 schrieb Manu Gupta:

...

If you have ideas, please document it onto wiki [yes that is a necessity].. just dump them.. Add your name and yes.. we will then see how it works out. We want mentors but as Rajko has already told if we dont do it, who else will. So if you are willing, start a wiki page and I will follow you for sure.

Before we write something in the Wiki, we must know which long-time Member, i ´ll think 3 are nessesary, (i´m not am Member yet) would like to do this.

If someone is interested in helping in the DE-Wiki I would like to help a newcommer.. He/she can contact me via E-Mail: opensuse-project@opensuse.org Best Regards Wolfgang openSUSE Member DE-Wiki-Team -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org

This is a really great idea! : ) I would be happy to support and help as much as I can. On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 3:18 AM, Rajko wrote:

On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 09:50:26 +0100 Johannes Carraro wrote:

...

...

Hello everybody,

... I subcribe mailing- lists ... and read them the first times, but it didn´t tell me were i can start... We must take Newcomer by hand and show then How...

Exactly. We have many plans, but not much how to help new user overcome fear to show up and start helping.

...

So i ´ve got an idea.... we got to get a plan for that... Somebody from the lang time MEMBERS, should do this... A Newcomer must get a plan to get participate on opensuse-project:

1. A List of few MEMBERS (with emailadresses) which can be contact by newcomer

It would be better to use for communication: * project mail list, * project IRC channel and * forums.

I'm not familiar with forums structure to recommend proper forum, but one can start with chit-chat forum. Forum moderators will probably spot such post and help with details. Those communications will be monitored by few volunteers that will start talk with new people.

To introduce own experience and skills one can use openSUSE Connect. There is whole a lot of room on user page that can be used to introduce all details: * from projects one worked with before, * wishes what one wants to help with, * skills acquired in the school and previous projects, * skills one wants to improve, and more.

...

2. They (Members) should check up his Skills and what he want do (packaging, wiki, documentation..) in the project. 3. Then send him to contcact a Team (Teamleader), were he want to go or where is good for him to go

This is point where we have a missing link :)

There is no team, besides Marketing that can tell single task new user can do to start participating.

I propose to create lists of Papercuts tasks for each of projects. Small annoying stuff, simple to solve, that is waiting for someone to do. List should contain: * task name * very detailed description what has to be done * list of skills, * list of objects to fix (in the wiki that would be pages to fix) * whom to contact with questions.

What this will help is to: * define tasks that come up to do again and again * (wiki) team member will have to write instructions once and list pages to fix. (This is often one wiki page that automatically list pages with a problem, so one will refer to that page by URL) * it will connect experienced team members with those that want to learn and help

...

4. This Plan Step-by-Step must be in the Wiki by "How to be Participate!"

Right.

Workflow would be: Wiki page - How to participate > Team page with papercuts And from that point people will already have live person to ask how to proceed.

...

Is this difficult, to do this in future?

No, but some has to do it.

If you can to incorporate above ideas and create plan with more details I'm here to help you and bug people with more experience that overlooked this conversation to help both of us.

...

Cheers Johannes

-- Regards, Rajko. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org

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Hi all, so, i have created a little page in the wiki with a Turtorial for the Newcomers, please check this up, if its ok, i will do the same in German on the german Wiki. http://en.opensuse.org/Tutorial_how_to_participate cheers Johannes Am Freitag, 23. November 2012, 02:10:59 schrieb Manu Gupta:

Hi All,

I was working on this, so if you can dump things here

We can probably work something out and have things in written.

Thanks Manu

On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 1:55 AM, DuBois, Scott L. wrote:

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This is a really great idea! : ) I would be happy to support and help as much as I can.

On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 3:18 AM, Rajko wrote:

...

On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 09:50:26 +0100 Johannes Carraro wrote:

...

...

Hello everybody,

... I subcribe mailing- lists ... and read them the first times, but it didn´t tell me were i can start... We must take Newcomer by hand and show then How...

Exactly. We have many plans, but not much how to help new user overcome fear to show up and start helping.

...

So i ´ve got an idea.... we got to get a plan for that... Somebody from the lang time MEMBERS, should do this... A Newcomer must get a plan to get participate on opensuse-project:

1. A List of few MEMBERS (with emailadresses) which can be contact by newcomer

It would be better to use for communication: * project mail list, * project IRC channel and * forums.

I'm not familiar with forums structure to recommend proper forum, but one can start with chit-chat forum. Forum moderators will probably spot such post and help with details. Those communications will be monitored by few volunteers that will start talk with new people.

To introduce own experience and skills one can use openSUSE Connect. There is whole a lot of room on user page that can be used to introduce all details: * from projects one worked with before, * wishes what one wants to help with, * skills acquired in the school and previous projects, * skills one wants to improve, and more.

...

2. They (Members) should check up his Skills and what he want do (packaging, wiki, documentation..) in the project. 3. Then send him to contcact a Team (Teamleader), were he want to go or where is good for him to go

This is point where we have a missing link :)

There is no team, besides Marketing that can tell single task new user can do to start participating.

I propose to create lists of Papercuts tasks for each of projects. Small annoying stuff, simple to solve, that is waiting for someone to do. List should contain: * task name * very detailed description what has to be done * list of skills, * list of objects to fix (in the wiki that would be pages to fix) * whom to contact with questions.

What this will help is to: * define tasks that come up to do again and again * (wiki) team member will have to write instructions once and list

pages to fix. (This is often one wiki page that automatically list pages with a problem, so one will refer to that page by URL)

* it will connect experienced team members with those that want to

learn and help

...

4. This Plan Step-by-Step must be in the Wiki by "How to be Participate!"

Right.

Workflow would be: Wiki page - How to participate > Team page with papercuts And from that point people will already have live person to ask how to proceed.

...

Is this difficult, to do this in future?

No, but some has to do it.

If you can to incorporate above ideas and create plan with more details I'm here to help you and bug people with more experience that overlooked this conversation to help both of us.

...

Cheers Johannes

-- Regards, Rajko. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org

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I think this is a beautiful start! Thank you Carlos :) Great Job! On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 2:28 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 2012-11-23 11:07, Johannes Carraro wrote:

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Hi all,

so, i have created a little page in the wiki with a Turtorial for the Newcomers, please check this up, if its ok, i will do the same in German on the german Wiki.

http://en.opensuse.org/Tutorial_how_to_participate

Please, gentle folk, bottom post with trimming. No top posting here.

9 Kilobytes for a me too post is excessive.

- -- Cheers / Saludos,

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All of these are REALLY great ideas. I know I have met a number of great people in the short time I have been involved with the project and have learned a lot, but have still a lot I would like to learn and learn to contribute to. As is the difficulty with many members is the "time" factor. While there is a lot I want to do and learn I only have so much time to do it all. Much of the learning and contribution requires time on my end of which is being taken up by long working hours and educational obligations. I believe that openSUSE is a great endeavor and the overall project and it's goals are in alignment with my own belief system of a free and open source operating system that works in alliance with FOSS and partnering software development teams all based from the Linux kernel. Being as I live just 30 minutes away from Silicon Valley in the US where can be found the headquarters of companies such as Microsoft, Apple, Google, NVidia, HP and others, there is a lot of competition for recruiting college students who's curriculum is IT based. My interest lies in open source development based around the Linux kernel because as everyone knows, the Linux and open source movement is the largest collaborative effort ever in the history of the world. SUSE and openSUSE offers some of the most innovative and leading edge technologies available and embrace the philosophy of FOSS and community driven development. My feeling is that together it is important that we make efforts to try and recruit and retain new talent as best we can utilizing whatever means we have available. If we can take just a few minutes to help new people find their way around and provide resources for them to easily participate and have fun at the same time it would be possible to increase our productive community involvement reducing the amount of work required by few to a larger amount of productive work done by many. On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 12:50 AM, Johannes Carraro wrote:

Am Mittwoch, 21. November 2012, 14:26:46 schrieb Helen South:

...

On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 12:32 PM, Rajko wrote:

...

Anyone that comes to openSUSE will more likely stay and become contributor if first contact is with human, not a web page. That is also a reason that IRC should be more often populated by skilled openSUSE users, not only their IRC logger bots.

This is a VERY good point. Even as a 'returning' occasional contributor I've found it quite frustrating, when I want to 'touch base' with the community again, log in to IRC and there are a lot of names on the list but nobody says hello. It's very weird, like being in a ghost town or a room full of store mannikins. It is really not a pleasant experience.

I suspect that like the mailing lists, fewer, properly attended IRC channels would be better.

IRC: helen_au helen.south@opensuse.org helensouth.com

Hello everybody,

i have written the emails about this pionts... newcomers and participate and so on....

So first to me: I am german openSUSE-User since the version 7.2 so round about 10 years, and i want many times to participate to opensuse-project, but how?? I ´ve read the Wiki with "How to participate..." but i didn´t know how. I subcribe mailing- lists ... and read them the first times, but it didn´t tell me were i can start... We must take Newcomer by hand and show then How...

So i ´ve got an idea.... we got to get a plan for that... Somebody from the lang time MEMBERS, should do this... A Newcomer must get a plan to get participate on opensuse-project:

1. A List of few MEMBERS (with emailadresses) which can be contact by newcomer 2. They (Members) should check up his Skills and what he want do (packaging, wiki, documentation..) in the project. 3. Then send him to contcact a Team (Teamleader), were he want to go or where is good for him to go 4. This Plan Step-by-Step must be in the Wiki by "How to be Participate!"

Is this difficult, to do this in future?

Cheers Johannes

-- Johannes Carraro ist FAN von openSUSE-Linux https://connect.opensuse.org/pg/profile/carraroj -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org

-- God bless ! Scott DuBois www.ROGUEHORSE.com openSUSE -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org