[opensuse-project] openSUSE contributor survey
Hello, My name is Jan Fredrik Stoveland, and I am a masters student at the University of Oslo writing a thesis on firm-sponsored open source communities. openSUSE is the main case for the study. I have been granted permission to send you this email by Andreas Jaeger and Martin Lasarch, and I hope you do not mind receiving it. I would like to ask all of the members of the this mailinglist to participate in a brief, anonymous electronic survey targeted at active contributors in the openSUSE community. The research is funded by the University, and is independent of any commercial interests. The link to the survey is here: https://nettskjema.uio.no/answer.html?fid=38823&lang=en I have selected these mailinglists as the main community indicator: project, factory, buildservice, wiki and translation. It is of great importance to get valid answers from as many of you as possible. The questions in the survey concern your current engagement in the openSUSE community, your reasons for participating in the community and your affiliation with Novell. I expect the survey will take you 10 minutes to complete, unless you find any questions difficult to answer. What do you get in return for doing this? The results from the survey will be posted to the list within a month, and the thesis with other interesting findings about your community will be published around May next year. Hopefully this will be of interest to you. But first of all I hope you will contribute for the sake of research itself. Not too much academic research has been done on communities that are facilitated by partially-proprietary companies like Novell. Furthermore, I would like to do an in depth interview on the phone with a few of you to get more detailed answers. I will randomly select about 6 people to talk to. In addition I would appreciate to talk to any people that have additional opinions. So if you have something more to say after completing the survey, please send me an email! Thank you very much for your help! Jan Fredrik Stoveland Student of Sociology and Informatics University of Oslo, Norway --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
janfst@student.matnat.uio.no wrote:
Thank you very much for your help!
nothing at all... in 5.1, the sentence: To what degree to you experience an ability to... sdeems faulty, is not the second "to" a "do"?? jdd -- http://www.dodin.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
Thanks, it is fixed now ;-) Jan Fredrik
janfst@student.matnat.uio.no wrote:
Thank you very much for your help!
nothing at all...
in 5.1, the sentence:
To what degree to you experience an ability to...
sdeems faulty, is not the second "to" a "do"??
jdd -- http://www.dodin.net
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Monday 2007-10-22 at 16:06 +0200, janfst@student.matnat.uio.no wrote:
I have selected these mailinglists as the main community indicator: project, factory, buildservice, wiki and translation.
You might also consider the general purpose lists, like "opensuse". Amongst the big noise, there are people there whose contribution to the community is "simply" to help others. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFHHLOKtTMYHG2NR9URAhNHAJ93Tog+rLeGgzKbQtKUYwOA0jd6zwCdHc63 USi+8nRU/PfiUylF6DDM3eE= =zYXB -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
Thank you, I will take it into consideration. Jan Fredrik
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The Monday 2007-10-22 at 16:06 +0200, janfst@student.matnat.uio.no wrote:
I have selected these mailinglists as the main community indicator: project, factory, buildservice, wiki and translation.
You might also consider the general purpose lists, like "opensuse". Amongst the big noise, there are people there whose contribution to the community is "simply" to help others.
- -- Cheers, Carlos E. R.
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On Mon, 2007-10-22 at 16:52 +0200, janfst@student.matnat.uio.no wrote:
Thank you, I will take it into consideration.
Jan Fredrik
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The Monday 2007-10-22 at 16:06 +0200, janfst@student.matnat.uio.no wrote:
I have selected these mailinglists as the main community indicator: project, factory, buildservice, wiki and translation.
You might also consider the general purpose lists, like "opensuse". Amongst the big noise, there are people there whose contribution to the community is "simply" to help others.
- -- Cheers, Carlos E. R.
I also took the survey and filled in whatever I could to help contribute to your survey. But personally, I don't see the relevance of two questions in accordance with the theme of the survey itself, which is about (in my interpretation) how we contribute to openSuse.
1) The question about how worried we are regarding the Novell-MS patent. This issue is nearly a year old, and quite honestly, if it bothers someone that much, they would have defected long ago. I think that answers to this question will skewer the overall intent of the survey itself. In fact, I find the consistent raising of this issue by various camps to be almost pandering to appeal to a certain camp within the open source community, as there are many who disagree that it is an issue and choose to ignore it altogether. 2) The question about whether Novell should customize opensuse with red colors. Hey, I bleed red in support of Novell :-) But I don't see the relevance of this question either. I agree also with Carlos' implication that the survey seems to define "contributions" as code, projects and such. I contribute to opensuse by helping others. I also contribute by asking questions which then raises the awareness of the usability of opensuse in its current form. The survey doesn't seem to recognize that level of contribution. -- ---Bryen--- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
I also took the survey and filled in whatever I could to help contribute to your survey.
Thank you.
But personally, I don't see the relevance of two questions in accordance with the theme of the survey itself, which is about (in my interpretation) how we contribute to openSuse. 1) The question about how worried we are regarding the Novell-MS patent. 2) The question about whether Novell should customize opensuse with red colors. Hey, I bleed red in support of Novell :-) But I don't see the relevance of this question either.
I am sorry that the first question is probably quite exhausted already. But the results already show that answers are evenly distributed, and it is interesting to know whether users contribute despite of their concerns, or if only users who are not concerned contribute. Whether the question of colors will prove interesting I will only know when I get to do some factor-analysis. It is merely one of several indicators of the topic of community autonimousity (if there is such a word). But I will find out if results of this question are irrelevant when analysis is done. This applies to all of the questions.
I agree also with Carlos' implication that the survey seems to define "contributions" as code, projects and such. I contribute to opensuse by helping others. I also contribute by asking questions which then raises the awareness of the usability of opensuse in its current form. The survey doesn't seem to recognize that level of contribution.
After asking around, I was under the impression that users who contribute with support on the main user list are very likely to also be registered to one or more of the other five mailing-lists. But I will either post the survey to this list or ask to have it put on the wiki. I need to clear this first, though. It is absolutely the intention that the study regards users who contribute with considerable support as active contributors. So i will include "user support" in the definition immidiately. Thanks again for your comments. Jan Fredrik
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Monday 2007-10-22 at 10:08 -0500, Bryen wrote:
2) The question about whether Novell should customize opensuse with red colors. Hey, I bleed red in support of Novell :-) But I don't see the relevance of this question either.
And some would prefer SuSE green colours ;-P - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFHHTtytTMYHG2NR9URAgJuAJwON0a86qes/NcdaYPRuvbq21Ls3gCcCHD5 tW9On98VZs/b3PAWvVFE1Lg= =aRLY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
On Tue, 23 Oct 2007, Carlos E. R. wrote:-
The Monday 2007-10-22 at 10:08 -0500, Bryen wrote:
2) The question about whether Novell should customize opensuse with red colors. Hey, I bleed red in support of Novell :-) But I don't see the relevance of this question either.
And some would prefer SuSE green colours ;-P
I've preferred a green desktop ever since 1986 and my first Atari ST. It's nice to see SUSE finally going along with my long-term desktop colour preference :-) Regards, David Bolt -- Team Acorn: http://www.distributed.net/ OGR-P2 @ ~100Mnodes RC5-72 @ ~15Mkeys | SUSE 10.1 32bit | openSUSE 10.2 32bit | openSUSE 10.3 32bit SUSE 10.0 64bit | SUSE 10.1 64bit | openSUSE 10.2 64bit | RISC OS 3.11 | RISC OS 3.6 | TOS 4.02 | openSUSE 10.3 PPC --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 23 October 2007 02:08:17 wrote Carlos E. R.:
The Monday 2007-10-22 at 10:08 -0500, Bryen wrote:
2) The question about whether Novell should customize opensuse with red colors. Hey, I bleed red in support of Novell :-) But I don't see the relevance of this question either.
And some would prefer SuSE green colours ;-P
yes, but very few ... We had this during the 7.x version and we got not really good feedback about it. All reviews showed a big relieve when we switched to blue for the background colour. -- Adrian Schroeter SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) email: adrian@suse.de --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
Adrian Schröter ha scritto:
On Tuesday 23 October 2007 02:08:17 wrote Carlos E. R.:
The Monday 2007-10-22 at 10:08 -0500, Bryen wrote:
2) The question about whether Novell should customize opensuse with red colors. Hey, I bleed red in support of Novell :-) But I don't see the relevance of this question either.
And some would prefer SuSE green colours ;-P
yes, but very few ...
We had this during the 7.x version and we got not really good feedback about it. All reviews showed a big relieve when we switched to blue for the background colour i LOVE red but i think that green is the best for openSUSE
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yes, but very few ...
We had this during the 7.x version and we got not really good feedback about it. All reviews showed a big relieve when we switched to blue for the background colour.
Is there some feedback about openSUSE 10.3 already? For the background I somewhat agree, even if I like the green one, a blue one is probably less disturbing for the eyes. Regards, Alberto --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
Hello,
Is there some feedback about openSUSE 10.3 already? For the background I somewhat agree, even if I like the green one, a blue one is probably less disturbing for the eyes.
It is not only the eyes but psychological effect -- blue is the favourite pick among colors. AFAIR this was been well studied, I saw recently the results of experiments on children, blue is dominant too. I also personally like 10.2 (blue) much better than 10.3 (green). have a nice day, bye -- Maciej Pilichowski --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
Den Monday 05 November 2007 11:09:56 skrev Maciej Pilichowski:
Is there some feedback about openSUSE 10.3 already? For the background I somewhat agree, even if I like the green one, a blue one is probably less disturbing for the eyes.
It is not only the eyes but psychological effect -- blue is the favourite pick among colors. AFAIR this was been well studied, I saw recently the results of experiments on children, blue is dominant too.
I also personally like 10.2 (blue) much better than 10.3 (green).
Consider how succesful Ubuntu has been with a shit brown theme. It's important that the product has it's own style and character, and doesn't look like a bad clone of better known products. I'm for green. I agree with Albertop that the wallpaper might not work particularly well. Especially because the colour schemes contrast with it in a bad way. But grub, boot and kdm are very pleasing to me. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
Hello,
Consider how succesful Ubuntu has been with a shit brown theme.
I really doubt that Ubuntu was successful BECAUSE of this brown, ekhem, theme, but rather IN SPITE of it.
It's important that the product has it's own style and character, and doesn't look like a bad clone of better known products. I'm for green. But well, this doesn't mean all artworks and backgrounds have to be blue. It would be boring. Just two examples: MS Vista and Mac OS X Leopard are not blue.
True, true, true. On the other hand how many users work with original theme AND like it? Green as color code is ok for me as long as I don't have to use it -- because it means for me "rotten", when blue is "calm". But I couldn't work neither with green nor blue wallpaper/theme, the only thing which remained from installation is the grub opening screen (I don't know how to change it _easily_) so... I liked blue better there ;-). In other words (for me) -- green box is great, because it is original and easily to remember, green discs, too, books, yes, t-shirts, yes, and so on, but all permanent themes I see on my screen every day -- not at all. Blue, green, red it does not matter -- I have to set something more peaceful. have a nice day, bye -- Maciej Pilichowski --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
Hello,
Consider how succesful Ubuntu has been with a shit brown theme.
I really doubt that Ubuntu was successful BECAUSE of this brown, ekhem, theme, but rather IN SPITE of it.
It's important that the product has it's own style and character, and doesn't look like a bad clone of better known products. I'm for green. But well, this doesn't mean all artworks and backgrounds have to be blue. It would be boring. Just two examples: MS Vista and Mac OS X Leopard are not blue.
True, true, true. On the other hand how many users work with original theme AND like it?
Green as color code is ok for me as long as I don't have to use it -- because it means for me "rotten", when blue is "calm". But I couldn't work neither with green nor blue wallpaper/theme, the only thing which remained from installation is the grub opening screen (I don't know how to change it _easily_) so... I liked blue better there ;-).
In other words (for me) -- green box is great, because it is original and easily to remember, green discs, too, books, yes, t-shirts, yes, and so on, but all permanent themes I see on my screen every day -- not at all. Blue, green, red it does not matter -- I have to set something more peaceful.
have a nice day, bye
I agree - the green box, green discs, general green theme of OpenSUSE make me associate green with the distro, versus red with Fedora or RedHat, blue with Mandriva, brown with Ubuntu, etc. I won't stick with the default OpenSUSE background, but I do like the rest of the theme. Another small glimpse into the association of green with OpenSUSE is the slogans that were put forth during the 10.2 days, available at http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Slogan. There were seven different references to the color green in the slogan, and absolutely none with blue. Anyway, I'd like to see OpenSUSE stick with the green scheme, if only to retain the color -> distro association. ~~ Andrew Dorney --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
It is not only the eyes but psychological effect -- blue is the favourite pick among colors. AFAIR this was been well studied, I saw recently the results of experiments on children, blue is dominant too.
I also personally like 10.2 (blue) much better than 10.3 (green).
Blue is considered relaxing and some studies say it makes you more productive. But well, this doesn't mean all artworks and backgrounds have to be blue. It would be boring. Just two examples: MS Vista and Mac OS X Leopard are not blue. Regards, A. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
On Monday 05 November 2007 03:11, Alberto Passalacqua wrote:
It is not only the eyes but psychological effect -- blue is the favourite pick among colors. AFAIR this was been well studied, I saw recently the results of experiments on children, blue is dominant too.
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Blue is considered relaxing and some studies say it makes you more productive.
Blue cones also have the most uniform distribution in the retina, while red and green ones are relatively concentrated near the fovea (area of central vision with the densest packing of color-sensitive cones). For what it's worth. Randall Schulz --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
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