[opensuse-project] Who are the "members of openSUSE community"?
Hi, Just now, we have two definitions for the 'members of openSUSE community'. 1) As described in the preface of 'OpenSUSE Community': http://en.opensuse.org/OpenSUSE_community 'In fact, if you think you are a member, want to be a member, ask if you are a member, then you probably are one :-).' 2) As described in the "Community Structure" section of the same page: 'openSUSE Members are specifically acknowledged contributors who have brought a continued and substantial contribution to the project (browse member list), who enjoy some perks and will elect the next openSUSE board.' Again. Who are the 'members of openSUSE community', exactly? Now I can say "I'm one of the members.", because my openSUSE membership application has been approved by the board and my name has been listed on the member list. But, how about my friends, who are using openSUSE and may be potential good contributors? Are they members or not? Andearas Jaeger mentioned in the announcement for his 'Retiring from the openSUSE Board': http://lizards.opensuse.org/2008/10/08/retiring-from-the-opensuse-board/ 'openSUSE “members” (I would really love to see a better name)' I totally agree with him. We need a more suitable name for the "members" in the latter meaning. So, it's my proposal: - Basically, everyone, who wants to be a member of openSUSE community, is a member - Rename "members" in the latter meaning to a more suitable name such as fellows, supporters, etc. - For it is in the period of the Board Election just now, we'd better wait until the election ends in order to avoid the confusion posed by the change of the name for the "members". Bests, -- _/_/_/ To be Happy! _/_/_/ _/_/ Satoru Matsumoto _/_/ _/ helios_reds@gmx.net _/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Satoru Matsumoto wrote:
Just now, we have two definitions for the 'members of openSUSE community'. [...] I totally agree with him. We need a more suitable name for the "members" in the latter meaning.
That's my opinion as well, and it has been discussed a few times already. The problem is really that we don't manage to come up with a better name. * Contributor: equally misleading * Supporter: too weak of a term, and also misleading IMHO * Fellow: misleading, as it is used for a different role (contributing $$) by the FSF * Ambassador: misleading, as it is used for a different role by Fedora * Long-Time Contributors: that's what it is, really, but it would suck for a title, and it's way too long :) The only thing we managed to come up with that wasn't conflicting or misleading was - - "Envoy".. but... a few of us thought it was a bit.. weird for non native English speakers... dunno - - "MIG" -- Men In Green: really cool, and funny, but doesn't work for _femaly_ long-time contributors :)
- Basically, everyone, who wants to be a member of openSUSE community, is a member
Yes, of course. A "member" is anyone who uses, contributes, takes part into the community. A "Member" is someone who has been doing sustained contributions to the community since some time.
- Rename "members" in the latter meaning to a more suitable name such as fellows, supporters, etc.
Right. But... "patches are welcome", still looking for an adequate term here. That's really where we're stuck.
- For it is in the period of the Board Election just now, we'd better wait until the election ends in order to avoid the confusion posed by the change of the name for the "members".
Oh yes, absolutely. Let's discuss that after the elections.
cheers
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-o) Pascal Bleser
On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 1:11 PM, Pascal Bleser
- - "Envoy".. but... a few of us thought it was a bit.. weird for non native English speakers... dunno - - "MIG" -- Men In Green: really cool, and funny, but doesn't work for _femaly_ long-time contributors :)
Another misleading : openSUSE valuable professional :-)) -- Best Regards, Masim "Vavai" Sugianto /************************************************************/ Blog (ID) : http://www.vavai.com/blog/index.php Blog (EN) : http://www.vavai.net Community : http://www.opensuse.or.id /************************************************************/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
Pascal Bleser wrote:
- - "MIG" -- Men In Green: really cool, and funny, but doesn't work for _femaly_ long-time contributors :)
Person in Green? Uh, no .... bad acronym .... :-) /Per Jessen, Zürich -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
- Rename "members" in the latter meaning to a more suitable name such as fellows, supporters, etc. - For it is in the period of the Board Election just now, we'd better wait until the election ends in order to avoid the confusion posed by the change of the name for the "members".
Hi, Why don't we skip this discussion instead? It would be the exact repetition of what done at the beginning of the membership idea. It maybe will lead to a wonderful, cool and elegant name. But the real question which should be asked is: will it make any difference? I don't think so. Regards, Alberto -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Alberto Passalacqua wrote:
Why don't we skip this discussion instead? It would be the exact repetition of what done at the beginning of the membership idea. It maybe will lead to a wonderful, cool and elegant name. But the real question which should be asked is: will it make any difference? I don't think so.
If you don't think so, I'd like to know why you don't think so, and the answer to my question that I mentioned in the top post: Who are the 'members of openSUSE community', exactly? If someone outside of openSUSE community asks you "How many members does openSUSE community have?", is your answer "212 persons"? Bests, - -- _/_/_/ To be Happy! _/_/_/ _/_/ Satoru Matsumoto _/_/ _/ helios_reds@gmx.net _/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkjwku8ACgkQXnHIfHE6+z22ygCfbOJqEbsk2Xi6kie84P/kyW/I tnoAn3hbR35jSWRD6iKge7u36uyzpnzu =yI8f -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
Lørdag 11 oktober 2008 13:50:07 skrev Satoru Matsumoto:
Alberto Passalacqua wrote:
Why don't we skip this discussion instead? It would be the exact repetition of what done at the beginning of the membership idea. It maybe will lead to a wonderful, cool and elegant name. But the real question which should be asked is: will it make any difference? I don't think so.
If you don't think so, I'd like to know why you don't think so, and the answer to my question that I mentioned in the top post:
Who are the 'members of openSUSE community', exactly?
If someone outside of openSUSE community asks you "How many members does openSUSE community have?", is your answer "212 persons"?
If the person asking means "long time contributors approved by the board" then the answer is 212. If the person asking means "users" then the answer is probably in the region of a couple of million. But as Alberto pointed out, we discussed the word "member" at length before it was introduced - noone managed to come up with a better word for it then - there's no point in keeping discussing it again at regular intervals. Like Alberto I also wonder if anyone is really confused by the two different meanings of the word "member". From the context it should usually be pretty clear what type of member is meant. If this actually is a problem, maybe one way to distinguish could be 212 (official) members of the openSUSE _project_, and 2.000.000 members of the openSUSE _community_. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
On Saturday 11 October 2008 07:55:02 am Martin Schlander wrote:
If this actually is a problem, maybe one way to distinguish could be 212 (official) members of the openSUSE _project_, and 2.000.000 members of the openSUSE _community_.
You stumbled upon a simple name that explains all, IMHO. Official member vs. unofficial member, ie. user community member. Short from for both - member. And, by the way it reminds me of rewards for activity, user/member rating. -- Regards, Rajko -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
Hi, Il giorno sab, 11/10/2008 alle 20.50 +0900, Satoru Matsumoto ha scritto:
If you don't think so, I'd like to know why you don't think so, and the answer to my question that I mentioned in the top post:
Who are the 'members of openSUSE community', exactly?
If someone outside of openSUSE community asks you "How many members does openSUSE community have?", is your answer "212 persons"?
I don't think there is any need to find the "perfect name" to identify the recognised contributors. "Member" works, it's simple and clear and it implies you are part of the project. We do not need a better name, I think. Who are the "members" of the openSUSE community? Well, 212 uses who actively contributes, if you ask me. I'm not worried by the numbers. The goal is not to impress people with a huge number of members. It is to recognise those users that really make a difference. A user is _not_ automatically a member, because he can simply download the distribution, use it, and never give something back. A member is someone actively involved in the community, who constantly contributes in a way or in another. Regards, A. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
On Sat, 2008-10-11 at 12:20 -0500, Alberto Passalacqua wrote:
A user is _not_ automatically a member, because he can simply download the distribution, use it, and never give something back. A member is someone actively involved in the community, who constantly contributes in a way or in another.
Regards, A.
The distinction isn't between "contributing members" and "downloaders". The distinction that is being attempted is between contributing members and those who have signed the Guiding Principles, in effect declaring their support of openSUSE. Perhaps in this case, it is better to leave contributors as "Members" and call all others who sign the GP as "Supporters." I think such users would have a greater sense of "Patriotic support" or "Geekoiotic support", as Decriptor aka Stephen Shaw recently coined, if they were able to declare themselves as Supporters rather than Users, which is such a bland word to identify themselves. Regards, B. -- Bryen Yunashko Proud 2008 Candidate for openSUSE Board -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
Perhaps in this case, it is better to leave contributors as "Members"
I agree.
and call all others who sign the GP as "Supporters."
I would not call them in any particular way.
I think such users would have a greater sense of "Patriotic support" or "Geekoiotic support", as Decriptor aka Stephen Shaw recently coined, if they were able to declare themselves as Supporters rather than Users, which is such a bland word to identify themselves.
I think that if someone decides to sign the "principles" (I haven't, for example), it's because they feel those principle are completely right and they agree with what is written in them. That's all. Supporter and member seems to be the same thing. A supporter helps the distribution in some way, so he can apply for membership. Regards, A. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
On Monday 13 October 2008 04:53:45 Alberto Passalacqua wrote:
I would not call them in any particular way.
"Those who shall not be named"? Doesn't give the right impression ;-) What about "Opensuse Activist"? Uwe -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
Hi Uwe, Il giorno lun, 13/10/2008 alle 14.02 +0200, Uwe Buckesfeld ha scritto:
"Those who shall not be named"? Doesn't give the right impression ;-) What about "Opensuse Activist"?
OpenSUSE unnamed ;-) "Activist" sounds good, but the difference from "member" defined as "active contributor" still seems very small to me. :-) Regards, A. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
Alberto Passalacqua a écrit :
OpenSUSE unnamed ;-)
"the fellowship of the lizard" ? jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://valerie.dodin.org http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-eic8MSSfM -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
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From: "Uwe Buckesfeld"
What about "Opensuse Activist"?
openSUSE Activist is a pretty good name. Another thing to keep in mind as we suggest these funny/interesting names... they should be obvious to non-openSUSE community members what we do... Member does that pretty well, so we should find a replacement name that conveys the message well. -- Kevin "Yeaux" Dupuy Vote in the openSUSE Elections: It's Your Board, and if you don't, the Geeko will come and slap you. (Signature returning soon.) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
2008/10/10 Satoru Matsumoto
Hi,
Just now, we have two definitions for the 'members of openSUSE community'.
1) As described in the preface of 'OpenSUSE Community': http://en.opensuse.org/OpenSUSE_community
'In fact, if you think you are a member, want to be a member, ask if you are a member, then you probably are one :-).'
2) As described in the "Community Structure" section of the same page:
'openSUSE Members are specifically acknowledged contributors who have brought a continued and substantial contribution to the project (browse member list), who enjoy some perks and will elect the next openSUSE board.'
Again. Who are the 'members of openSUSE community', exactly?
openSUSE membership is a well defined term[0] now, but unfortunately you just stumbled on a page which uses a dated use of it (which will hopefully be updated soon). [0] http://opensuse.org/Members Kind thoughts, -- Francis Giannaros http://francis.giannaros.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
On Friday 10 October 2008 06:26:02 Satoru Matsumoto wrote:
- Rename "members" in the latter meaning to a more suitable name such as fellows, supporters, etc.
How about prepending something to "member"? Like Acknowledged member Approved member Canonical member ;-) Demonstrated member Distinguished member Established member Honorable member Notable member Proven member Perceived member Recognized member Reputable member Respectable member Valuable member Bye, Steve -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
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Per Jessen -
Rajko M. -
Satoru Matsumoto -
Stephan Binner -
Uwe Buckesfeld