9 Nov
2019
9 Nov
'19
1:49 p.m.
Hi,
I think I've already posted about this, but I think there really needs
to be done something.
About 75% or even more of the spam I'm getting arrives at my
opensuse.org email, and on closer inspection has been directly delivered
to the secondary MX for opensuse.org.
I take that spam, and feed it through spamcop.net which results in a
complaint being sent to postmaster(a)suse.de, and I am getting the feeling
that no one reads mails to that address, because in I don't know how
many years I have gotten not a SINGLE reaction.
From the behaviour of "the system I can draw two
conclusions:
1. that MX has no spam filter capabilities what so ever, not even
something as simple as dns based block lists
2. no one gives a shit.
I have already posted on that suse internal tracker thing that was
suggested to me last time I said anything - and also no real reaction
other than someone answering in a truly noncommital way, see
https://progress.opensuse.org/issues/55838
so ... can I have some numbers about the mail volume on the opensuse.org
domains? do we have to deal with the mail servers for opensuse.org
ourselves?
I mean, there is so much that *can* be done, spamassassin *with* DNS
blacklists, postgrey, you name it.
Cheers
MH
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9 Nov
9 Nov
2:24 p.m.
On 09/11/2019 13.49, Mathias Homann wrote:
Hi,
I think I've already posted about this, but I think there really needs
to be done something.
About 75% or even more of the spam I'm getting arrives at my
opensuse.org email, and on closer inspection has been directly delivered
to the secondary MX for opensuse.org.
I take that spam, and feed it through spamcop.net which results in a
complaint being sent to postmaster(a)suse.de, and I am getting the feeling
that no one reads mails to that address, because in I don't know how
many years I have gotten not a SINGLE reaction.
From the behaviour of "the system I can draw two conclusions:
1. that MX has no spam filter capabilities what so ever, not even
something as simple as dns based block lists
2. no one gives a shit.
The opensuse.org mail address is a redirector only, so it has no
capability to put spam on another folder. Thus it relies on the antispam
services at your own ISP, at the destination real address you define.
Me, I would not like the redirector to block spam: it is up to me to
decide what is spam. What if it bounces something that I want? As it is
not an actual mail service, there is no way in which I can tune the
filters for /my/ account.
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2:33 p.m.
Me, I would not like the redirector to block spam: it
is up to me to
decide what is spam. What if it bounces something that I want? As it is
not an actual mail service, there is no way in which I can tune the
filters for /my/ account.
I'm pretty sure that you would not want anything that came from a SMTP
client that is on a blacklisted IP address, or not properlky re-sending
its mail when the SMTP server tells it to "come back in five minutes".
Greylisting and dns based block lists should at least be an option.
cheers
MH
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6 p.m.
Mathias Homann wrote:
I think I've already posted about this, but I
think there really needs
to be done something.
About 75% or even more of the spam I'm getting arrives at my
opensuse.org email, and on closer inspection has been directly
delivered to the secondary MX for opensuse.org.
I take that spam, and feed it through spamcop.net which results in a
complaint being sent to postmaster(a)suse.de, and I am getting the
feeling that no one reads mails to that address, because in I don't
know how many years I have gotten not a SINGLE reaction.
From the behaviour of "the system I can draw two conclusions:
1. that MX has no spam filter capabilities what so ever, not even
something as simple as dns based block lists
2. no one gives a shit.
I have already posted on that suse internal tracker thing that was
suggested to me last time I said anything - and also no real reaction
other than someone answering in a truly noncommital way, see
https://progress.opensuse.org/issues/55838
That was my reply, yes.
"And since the junk has already passed through a (poorly configured?)
spamassassin, my local spamassassin thinks all is legit o.0"
This is really a problem in your setup, I suggest. Your spamassassin
should _not_ trust any previously added X-SpamAssassion headers. It
would make it dead-easy for spammers to circumvent the filtering.
I mean, there is so much that *can* be done,
spamassassin *with* DNS
blacklists, postgrey, you name it.
I would invite you to join the openSUSE Heroes and have a go, but the
mail servers are run by SUSE-IT.
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8:43 p.m.
Am Samstag, 9. November 2019, 18:00:04 CET schrieb Per Jessen:
so how do I talk to **them** about this?
Cheers
MH
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This is really a problem in your setup, I suggest.
my spamassassin does not ahve any any problems with emails coming through any
other mail server. It's only mails that come through the suse-run MX for
opensuse.org that manage to slip through.
Your spamassassin should _not_ trust any previously
added X-SpamAssassion
headers. It would make it dead-easy for spammers to circumvent the
filtering.
It doesn't. Every SpamAssassin **removes** all previously inserted spam
scoring information when analyzing an email.
I mean, there
is so much that *can* be done, spamassassin *with* DNS
blacklists, postgrey, you name it.
I would invite you to join the openSUSE Heroes and have a go, but the
mail servers are run by SUSE-IT. 
8:53 p.m.
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On 09/11/2019 20.43, Mathias Homann wrote:
Am Samstag, 9. November 2019, 18:00:04 CET schrieb Per
Jessen:
Then there is something not right in your setup. All the mail sent to
my o.o alias is filtered correctly both by my provider and by my setup.
There was an attempt to move the o.o mail aliases to a real server,
but it stalled.
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Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 15.1 x86_64 at Telcontar)
This is really a problem in your setup, I
suggest.
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10 Nov
6:47 p.m.
Mathias Homann wrote:
Am Samstag, 9. November 2019, 18:00:04 CET schrieb Per
Jessen:
I know. You clearly know too, which is why I don't undestand your
comment:
"And since the junk has already passed through a (poorly configured?)
spamassassin, my local spamassassin thinks all is legit o.0"
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This is really a problem in your setup, I
suggest.
my spamassassin does not ahve any any problems with emails coming
through any other mail server. It's only mails that come through the
suse-run MX for opensuse.org that manage to slip through.
Your spamassassin should _not_ trust any
previously added
X-SpamAssassion headers. It would make it dead-easy for spammers to
circumvent the filtering.
It doesn't. Every SpamAssassin **removes** all previously inserted
spam scoring information when analyzing an email. 
3:49 a.m.
Am November 9, 2019 5:00:04 PM UTC schrieb Per Jessen <per(a)computer.org>rg>:
I would invite you to join the openSUSE Heroes and have
a go, but the
mail servers are run by SUSE-IT.
But why?
There is no need for this, if (someone from) the Heroes takes over.
Same for the public DNS, btw.
Just my 2 cent.
Lars
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On Sunday, 2019-11-10 at 02:49 -0000, Lars Vogdt wrote:
Am November 9, 2019 5:00:04 PM UTC schrieb Per Jessen
<per(a)computer.org>rg>:
I understand there is no infraestructure for it.
On the other hand, some months ago there was a proposal to separate the
oo.mail to somewhere else, and not enough people wanted it, so nothing was
done.
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Cheers,
Carlos E. R.
(from openSUSE 15.1 x86_64 at Telcontar)
I would invite you to join the openSUSE Heroes
and have a go, but the
mail servers are run by SUSE-IT.
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There is no need for this, if (someone from) the Heroes takes over.
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3:25 p.m.
Am 2019-11-10 13:48, schrieb Carlos E. R.:
I understand there is no infraestructure for it.
I was long enough in the team to know that there IS infrastructure for
it.
* VMs should not be a problem: could be created, if needed
* official IPs are available (even in two different countries)
* software (postfix/exim, bind, dnsmasq, powerdns, ...) is available on
our distribution
It just needs someone who takes over and implements what is needed.
mail servers are run by SUSE-IT.
But why?
There is no need for this, if (someone from) the Heroes takes over.
Same for the public DNS, btw. On the other hand, some months ago there was a
proposal to separate
the oo.mail to somewhere else, and not enough people wanted it, so
nothing was done.
Well: this proposal wanted to give the users data out to another
company. If the heroes set up an independent Email (and DNS) system, all
data is still where it belongs to (means: Heroes/openSUSE administrate
the Email alias table, logs and DNS entries).
Regards,
Lars
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6:39 p.m.
Lars Vogdt wrote:
Am November 9, 2019 5:00:04 PM UTC schrieb Per Jessen
<per(a)computer.org>rg>:
Completely agree, Lars. Just another entry on the todo list. A less
than critical one, imho.
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I would invite you to join the openSUSE Heroes
and have a go, but the
mail servers are run by SUSE-IT.
But why?
There is no need for this, if (someone from) the Heroes takes over.
Same for the public DNS, btw.
12 Nov
12 Nov
7:41 a.m.
Am November 10, 2019 5:39:57 PM UTC schrieb Per Jessen <per(a)computer.org>rg>:
Completely agree, Lars.
Thanks! Your agreement is indeed very important for me!
Just another entry on the todo list. A less
than critical one, imho.
Depends :-)
With own DNS and MX, openSUSE would (again) become more independent.
I'm still sad that I left the heroes before these two steps were finished. To my
excuse, I thought that running own DNS an MX is not so uncommon these days. But migrating
existing machines may still be tricky. This is what I see now. Thus: if the heroes agree,
I offer my help here.
Regards,
Lars
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9:02 p.m.
Hello,
Am Dienstag, 12. November 2019, 07:41:12 CET schrieb Lars Vogdt:
Agreed, and besides being more independent, it would make a few things
"a bit" easier, especially when it comes to debugging a problem.
Am November 10, 2019 5:39:57 PM UTC schrieb Per
Jessen:
Than you might be happy to hear that I also agree ;-)
Completely agree, Lars.
Thanks! Your agreement is indeed very important for me! Just another
entry on the todo list. A less
than critical one, imho.
Depends :-)
With own DNS and MX, openSUSE would (again) become more independent. I'm still sad that I left the heroes before these
two steps were
finished. To my excuse, I thought that running own DNS an MX is not
so uncommon these days. But migrating existing machines may still be
tricky. This is what I see now.
I don't think that the difficulty level is the problem, even if some
details might be more interesting[tm].
It's just the usual problem that everybody is busy with other things
that look more important ;-)
Thus: if the heroes agree, I offer my help here.
Do you really think that someone says no?Quite the opposite - when can
you start with this? ;-)
Of course I can't speak for the whole team, but I'd be _very_ surprised
if someone would refuse your help.
Regards,
Christian Boltz
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10:57 p.m.
Am November 12, 2019 8:02:35 PM UTC schrieb Christian Boltz <opensuse(a)cboltz.de>de>:
Do you really think that someone says no?Quite the
opposite - when can
you start with this? ;-)
Of course I can't speak for the whole team, but I'd be _very_ surprised
if someone would refuse your help.
Thanks!
Can I hope to see you both at the Heroes Meeting in Nuremberg this weekend?
Regards,
Lars
PS: did you know that some Christmas Markets start already this weekend...? :-)
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Hello,
Am Dienstag, 12. November 2019, 22:57:25 CET schrieb Lars Vogdt:
Can I hope to see you both at the Heroes Meeting in
Nuremberg this
weekend?
Yes, of course!
PS: did you know that some Christmas Markets start
already this
weekend...? :-)
Who needs a Christmas Market if there is a Kater Murr? ;-)
Regards,
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<darix> error page was long enough
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9:24 a.m.
Christian Boltz wrote:
Hello,
Am Dienstag, 12. November 2019, 22:57:25 CET schrieb Lars Vogdt:
Yep, I'll be there.
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Can I hope to see you both at the Heroes Meeting
in Nuremberg this
weekend?
Yes, of course! 
10 Nov
10 Nov
11:33 a.m.
Hi all,
Being a recent attendee to this “forum", makes it hard for me to follow all that is
available to understand and follow.
Additionally, I am often reluctant to jump in with my penny worth.
My original step into your world was because I tried several times to get into openSUSE,
but failed on each occasion.
My hardware comprises a MacBook air and my still serviceable, 32 bit Inspiron 6400 Dell,
and yet they all still remain empty of the world of openSUSE. Even a secure email platform
would be something. Do I walk away from this, or is there a door in?
Regards to all,
Cy
On 9 Nov 2019, at 17:00, Per Jessen
<per(a)computer.org> wrote:
Mathias Homann wrote:
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I think I've already posted about this, but I
think there really needs
to be done something.
About 75% or even more of the spam I'm getting arrives at my
opensuse.org email, and on closer inspection has been directly
delivered to the secondary MX for opensuse.org.
I take that spam, and feed it through spamcop.net which results in a
complaint being sent to postmaster(a)suse.de, and I am getting the
feeling that no one reads mails to that address, because in I don't
know how many years I have gotten not a SINGLE reaction.
From the behaviour of "the system I can draw two conclusions:
1. that MX has no spam filter capabilities what so ever, not even
something as simple as dns based block lists
2. no one gives a shit.
I have already posted on that suse internal tracker thing that was
suggested to me last time I said anything - and also no real reaction
other than someone answering in a truly noncommital way, see
https://progress.opensuse.org/issues/55838
That was my reply, yes.
"And since the junk has already passed through a (poorly configured?)
spamassassin, my local spamassassin thinks all is legit o.0"
This is really a problem in your setup, I suggest. Your spamassassin
should _not_ trust any previously added X-SpamAssassion headers. It
would make it dead-easy for spammers to circumvent the filtering.
I mean, there is so much that *can* be done,
spamassassin *with* DNS
blacklists, postgrey, you name it.
I would invite you to join the openSUSE Heroes and have a go, but the
mail servers are run by SUSE-IT.
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On Sunday, 2019-11-10 at 10:33 -0000, Cy O'Hara wrote:
Hi all,
Being a recent attendee to this “forum", makes it hard for me to follow
all that is available to understand and follow.
Additionally, I am often reluctant to jump in with my penny worth.
My original step into your world was because I tried several times to
get into openSUSE, but failed on each occasion.
My hardware comprises a MacBook air and my still serviceable, 32 bit
Inspiron 6400 Dell, and yet they all still remain empty of the world of
openSUSE. Even a secure email platform would be something. Do I walk
away from this, or is there a door in?
The way Leap is done, it is impossible to support 32 bits.
Leap does not derive from Factory, it derives from the commercial distro,
SLES. And the commercial distro decided not not produce a 32 bit kernel,
so we are stuck without it.
However, Factory does have a 32 bit. And yes, SLES derives from factory.
But this is not what this thread is about, may be offtopic.
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Cheers,
Carlos E. R.
(from openSUSE 15.1 x86_64 at Telcontar)
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6:38 p.m.
Cy O'Hara wrote:
Hi all,
Being a recent attendee to this “forum", makes it hard for me to
follow all that is available to understand and follow.
Additionally, I am often reluctant to jump in with my penny worth.
My original step into your world was because I tried several times to
get into openSUSE, but failed on each occasion.
My hardware comprises a MacBook air and my still serviceable, 32 bit
Inspiron 6400 Dell, and yet they all still remain empty of the world
of openSUSE. Even a secure email platform would be something. Do I
walk away from this, or is there a door in?
Hi Cy
just some comments -
- don't be reluctant to jump in, there's no need, we don't bite (even if
we do occasionally bark).
- top-posting is frowned upon, we prefer bottom posting with comments
in-line.
- replying to a thread and changing the topic is called "thread
hijacking" and it's just poor netiquette.
- this is the opensuse-project list, one of many mailing lists we
operate. Picking the right one can be a little daunting - your
question is much better put on e.g. opensuse, opensuse-support or in
the opensuse forums. On this list we try to deal with the openSUSE
project governance etc.
No barking intended :-)
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14 Nov
10:45 p.m.
Am Samstag, 9. November 2019, 13:49:35 CET schrieb Mathias Homann:
About 75% or even more of the spam I'm getting
arrives at my
opensuse.org email, and on closer inspection has been directly delivered
to the secondary MX for opensuse.org.
on closer inspection, the spam complaint emails from spamcop are being sent to
hostmaster(a)suse.de
Does anyone read that email address?
Cheers
MH
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16 Nov
16 Nov
1:28 p.m.
Am Donnerstag, 14. November 2019, 22:45:48 CET schrieb Mathias Homann:
Am Samstag, 9. November 2019, 13:49:35 CET schrieb
Mathias Homann:
obviously not - spamcop by now is dev/null'ing mails that should be sent
there.
I believe that is contrary to RFC-2142 which lists among others
hostmaster(a)domain.tld as a requirement that any domain should have.
not too impressive, even more so when seeing that the SOA record for suse de
is still pointing at hostmaster(a)microfocus.com...
Cheers
MH
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About 75% or even more of the spam I'm
getting arrives at my
opensuse.org email, and on closer inspection has been directly delivered
to the secondary MX for opensuse.org.
on closer inspection, the spam complaint emails from spamcop are being sent
to hostmaster(a)suse.de
Does anyone read that email address? 
21 Nov
21 Nov
8:55 p.m.
On Sat 2019-11-16, Mathias Homann wrote:
not too impressive, even more so when seeing that the
SOA record
for suse de is still pointing at hostmaster(a)microfocus.com...
As part of the carve out of SUSE from Micro Focus SUSE gradually
is building up our own IT infrastructure and services.
That takes a bit, and while overall SUSE is now operating as an
independent company, there are some services on the IT side that
Micro Focus still provides during a transition period. Colleagues
are working on reducing/removing that with high priority.
Just a bit of an explanation.
Gerald
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9:46 p.m.
Am Donnerstag, 21. November 2019, 20:55:50 CET schrieb Gerald Pfeifer:
On Sat 2019-11-16, Mathias Homann wrote:
they don't actually provide - hostmaster(a)suse.de and postmaster(a)suse.de both
do not work right now, hostmaster(a)suse.de bounces after being aliased onto a
nonexisting @suse.de address, and postmaster(a)suse.de isn't read by anyone.
*not* a good thing.
Seriously, updating the relevant whois and dns entries should have been one of
the first things.
Cheers
MH
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not too impressive, even more so when seeing that
the SOA record
for suse de is still pointing at hostmaster(a)microfocus.com...
As part of the carve out of SUSE from Micro Focus SUSE gradually
is building up our own IT infrastructure and services.
That takes a bit, and while overall SUSE is now operating as an
independent company, there are some services on the IT side that
Micro Focus still provides during a transition period. Colleagues
are working on reducing/removing that with high priority.
22 Nov
22 Nov
9:23 a.m.
Mathias Homann wrote:
Am Donnerstag, 21. November 2019, 20:55:50 CET schrieb
Gerald Pfeifer:
Feel free to open tickets if you want. I'm not sure if hostmaster@suse
is really required when the DNS is provided by Microfocus. Unless you
have seen hostmaster@suse in an SOA record somewhere?
postmaster - yeah, that ought to go to someone.
On Sat 2019-11-16, Mathias Homann wrote:
they don't actually provide - hostmaster(a)suse.de and
postmaster(a)suse.de both do not work right now, hostmaster(a)suse.de
bounces after being aliased onto a nonexisting @suse.de address, and
postmaster(a)suse.de isn't read by anyone.
*not* a good thing. not too impressive, even more so when seeing that
the SOA record
for suse de is still pointing at hostmaster(a)microfocus.com...
As part of the carve out of SUSE from Micro Focus SUSE gradually
is building up our own IT infrastructure and services.
That takes a bit, and while overall SUSE is now operating as an
independent company, there are some services on the IT side that
Micro Focus still provides during a transition period. Colleagues
are working on reducing/removing that with high priority. Seriously, updating the relevant whois and dns entries
should have
been one of the first things.
Seriously - update to what? Nothing has changed in that respect.
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11:58 a.m.
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On Friday, 2019-11-22 at 09:23 +0100, Per Jessen wrote:
Whois has been updated today :-)
But the abuse address is not suse nor opensuse :-?
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Mathias Homann wrote:
Seriously,
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8:21 p.m.
Carlos E. R. wrote:
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On Friday, 2019-11-22 at 09:23 +0100, Per Jessen wrote:
Whois has been updated today :-)
Which domain? I don't see that any of them (suse.de, suse.com) have
changed.
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Mathias Homann wrote:
Seriously, updating the relevant whois and dns entries should have
been one of the first things.
Seriously - update to what? Nothing has changed in that respect.
9:18 p.m.
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On 22/11/2019 20.21, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
opensuse
Hum. I made an error, I looked at .com
cer@Telcontar:~> whois opensuse.com
Registrar URL: http://www.markmonitor.com
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On Friday, 2019-11-22 at 09:23 +0100, Per Jessen wrote:
Whois has been updated today :-)
Which domain? I don't see that any of them (suse.de, suse.com)
have changed. Mathias Homann wrote:
Seriously, updating the relevant whois and dns entries should
have been one of the first things.
Seriously - update to what? Nothing has changed in that
respect. >> Last update of whois database:
2019-11-22T10:55:15Z <<<
cer@Telcontar:~> whois opensuse.org
Registrar URL: http://www.markmonitor.com
Registrar Abuse Contact Email: abusecomplaints(a)markmonitor.com
>> Last update of WHOIS database:
2019-11-22T20:12:27Z <<<
But yes, also modified today. Also suse.com:
cer@Telcontar:~> whois suse.com
>> Last update of whois database:
2019-11-22T20:16:06Z <<<
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9:33 p.m.
On Fri 2019-11-22, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>> Last update of whois database:
2019-11-22T10:55:15Z <<<
Please read carefully: That *database* as such has been updated
today. You will see the same for other .com domains (such as my
own). That does not mean the domain has been updated.
In any case: Let's focus on openSUSE and progressing openSUSE
on this list and improve the signal to noise ratio.
Thank you,
Gerald
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