Andreas Jaeger wrote:

DenverD, for some it's about the title - but for other it's about what's behind a title. As I said elsewhere: As a member you can get a lizards blog account, an IRC cloak, an @opensuse.org email address and vote for the board. How should we handle this in the best way?

imo, adopting expanded/hierachical titles is a slippery slope which is best avoided in favor of simplicity to foster a group evironment in which _all_ feel included, needed and wanted... on the other hand, if the membership *must* have an array of titles they must be both descriptive and hierarchical, like: openSUSE Hacker Leader Amazing openSUSE Hacker Dependable openSUSE Hacker openSUSE Hacker Neophyte etc (or Leading oS Hacker, or oS TopDog Hacker, etc) Supreme openSUSE Packager Reliable openSUSE Packager openSUSE Cerf Packager openSUSE Contributor-packaging etc [or more 'creative' within specialties, like artist:] oS Old Master oS Sustaining EyeCatcher oS Contributor-colorCarrier [ok, you can replace Hacker with Programmer...but not with 'developer' unless you forever prohibit (say) the openSUSE EyeCatchers from *developing* a theme for the next release, or writers from *developing* documentation... ie developing != programming] secondly, if there *must* be an array of levels/titles then there must be an array of benefits...with each higher level being awarded more and more valuable benefits...perhaps the lowest level doesn't include an @opensuse.org mail box....maybe the highest always includes some amount of travel expense assistance, etc.. to close: if i had a vote i would *not* build a hierarchy of pecking order titles to keep the new folks 'in their place', instead i would develop a single recognizable _brand_ that all could wear proudly.. what i mean is there are Wiki (and Other) Team Members, but i can't see if they have done enough work to be able to vote for the board, or not...so, what i mean is have ONE term, easily recognizable and transportable that is applied to all accepted "members".. maybe it is openSUSE Project Member or maybe it is openSUSE Lizard, or openSUSE Potato...whatever it is, the term must be used correctly in the wiki, in posts, and everywhere (that is, don't write "i am a voting member", "he is a project member" etc...always the same, always openSUSE Potato.. lets say the voters settle on "openSUSE Lizard", then it might be ok after some time to allow "oSL Andreas" or "Andreas Jaeger, oSL"... by the way, what is wrong with Potato? ;-) DenverD -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org

On Sun, 2010-07-04 at 21:47 +0200, Andreas Jaeger wrote:

On Sunday 04 July 2010 15:59:46 DenverD wrote:

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Carlos E. R. wrote:

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Mmm... I'm openSUSE Potato Carlos... Does it sound right? :-? :-p

as an 'outsider' who has had many real titles in a long and exciting life with no connection to a self-selected group, i need to say:

this discussion is rather humorous..

now, i want all the folks who have never had a title and really want one to stand on one side, and all the others come over here with me and then _we_ let the i-wish-i-had-a-Core-Distinctive-SuperDuper-title hash out what they wanna call each other, so they know the correct pecking order!!

and, then they can discuss how many angels can dance on the head of a pin..

Evil Potato DenverD aks: non-member/talker

DenverD, for some it's about the title - but for other it's about what's behind a title. As I said elsewhere: As a member you can get a lizards blog account, an IRC cloak, an @opensuse.org email address and vote for the board. How should we handle this in the best way?

Andreas

Both definitions mentioned by AJ represent a "pat on the back" for your great contributions in our current setup. But, there's an additional definition that *could* be a benefit in the future. I'm thinking about the other project I work with, GNOME-A11y. In that group, we have many paid contributors. These people are paid by their employers to do some magic with a11y because their employer feels that a11y is important to whatever the company mission is. Now, we don't really have that many paid contributors (not counting Novell here) in the openSUSE Project. Conceivably, this is something we should aim to grow in the future. In this case, a membership has added significance because it gives that contributor a way to say to his/her employer "Hey, I've been working on openSUSE just like you told me to, and openSUSE appreciates my work by giving me contributor status." It can also help for those who aren't exactly paid to work with openSUSE, but do work somehow with Linux in their company and they can show their boss or prospective employer (if applying for a new job), I do work in Linux and openSUSE believes in my work enough to consider me an important contributor with this title. (Thus they have something that is "resume-able" for lack of a better word.) So we shouldn't be thinking about the significance of the title only how it applies today, but also in how it can apply in the future as we continue to grow our contributor base. Bryen M Yunashko openSUSE Board Member -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org