On Monday, December 17, 2012 07:59:54 AM Bryen M Yunashko wrote:

As of 23:00 UTC on 16 December, 2012, the openSUSE Project’s members completed the Fifth election of the openSUSE Board. At stake were two seats of the five electable seats. With 8 candidates, the community definitely had a broad choice of qualified candidates to choose from.

In the end, the two top vote-getters were Raymond Wooninck (tittiacoke) and Robert Schweikert, (robjo) respectively. They will join the openSUSE Board on January 9th during the transitional meeting of the regularly scheduled Project meeting heldon the Freenode IRC Channel at 17:00 UTC.

The Election Officials would like to congratulate all of thecandidates for a great campaign season. These candidates included Matt Barringer, Richard Brown, Carl Fletcher, Manu Gupta, Chuck Payne and Stefan Seyfried. All of these candidates demonstrated a commitment to the Project and exemplified the Guiding Principles which the Project, as a whole, is founded upon.

We join the rest of the community in looking forward to an exciting year to come as the new Board embarks on new initiatives and directions. And we thank the community for giving us the opportunity to serve as members of the election committee.

Sincerely, The openSUSE Election Committee

- Izabel Valverde - Thomas Schmidt - Bryen M Yunashko

Congratulations to Raymond Wooninck (tittiacoke) and Robert Schweikert (robjo) for taking our flag and project dreams next level. Wishing the best. Thanks to all candidates without you it would be hard for several from us to understand some spots on this big ecosystem. Regards, -- Ricardo Chung | Panama Ambassador openSUSE Projects -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org

Congratulations to the new board members. Bryen, I'm curious what the vote totals were. Not so much which candidate got what, but how the votes were spread out. ie. Total votes: nnn cast Candidate #1: x votes #2: y votes etc. I'm mostly curious if the 2 winners percentages are well below a majority vote (whatever that means in a 2-vote election). fyi: I have no desire to change the rules for this election, but if the winners didn't have a majority I may propose something for the one a year from now. Thanks Greg On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 8:59 AM, Bryen M Yunashko wrote:

As of 23:00 UTC on 16 December, 2012, the openSUSE Project’s members completed the Fifth election of the openSUSE Board. At stake were two seats of the five electable seats. With 8 candidates, the community definitely had a broad choice of qualified candidates to choose from.

In the end, the two top vote-getters were Raymond Wooninck (tittiacoke) and Robert Schweikert, (robjo) respectively. They will join the openSUSE Board on January 9th during the transitional meeting of the regularly scheduled Project meeting heldon the Freenode IRC Channel at 17:00 UTC.

The Election Officials would like to congratulate all of thecandidates for a great campaign season. These candidates included Matt Barringer, Richard Brown, Carl Fletcher, Manu Gupta, Chuck Payne and Stefan Seyfried. All of these candidates demonstrated a commitment to the Project and exemplified the Guiding Principles which the Project, as a whole, is founded upon.

We join the rest of the community in looking forward to an exciting year to come as the new Board embarks on new initiatives and directions. And we thank the community for giving us the opportunity to serve as members of the election committee.

Sincerely, The openSUSE Election Committee

- Izabel Valverde - Thomas Schmidt - Bryen M Yunashko

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Am 17.12.2012 14:59, schrieb Bryen M Yunashko:

In the end, the two top vote-getters were Raymond Wooninck (tittiacoke) and Robert Schweikert, (robjo) respectively.

Congratulations, I'm very satisfied with that result :-) Best regards, Stefan -- Stefan Seyfried "If your lighter runs out of fluid or flint and stops making fire, and you can't be bothered to figure out about lighter fluid or flint, that is not Zippo's fault." -- bkw -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org

On Mon, 17 Dec 2012 07:59:54 -0600, Bryen M Yunashko wrote:

In the end, the two top vote-getters were Raymond Wooninck (tittiacoke) and Robert Schweikert, (robjo) respectively.

Congrats! Jim -- Jim Henderson Please keep on-topic replies on the list so everyone benefits -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org

Hi, Le lundi 17 décembre 2012, à 07:59 -0600, Bryen M Yunashko a écrit :

As of 23:00 UTC on 16 December, 2012, the openSUSE Project’s members completed the Fifth election of the openSUSE Board. At stake were two seats of the five electable seats. With 8 candidates, the community definitely had a broad choice of qualified candidates to choose from.

In the end, the two top vote-getters were Raymond Wooninck (tittiacoke) and Robert Schweikert, (robjo) respectively. They will join the openSUSE Board on January 9th during the transitional meeting of the regularly scheduled Project meeting heldon the Freenode IRC Channel at 17:00 UTC.

Thanks Izabel, Bryen and Thomas for your work on the elections: at least from my perspective, this all went very smoothly! Also big thanks to the eight candidates that were running for a seat: we were quite lucky to have so many good candidates, and I do hope the six non-elected candidates will run next year! Raymond and Robert: welcome to the board :-) Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org

2012/12/17 Bryen M Yunashko :

As of 23:00 UTC on 16 December, 2012, the openSUSE Project’s members completed the Fifth election of the openSUSE Board. At stake were two seats of the five electable seats. With 8 candidates, the community definitely had a broad choice of qualified candidates to choose from.

In the end, the two top vote-getters were Raymond Wooninck (tittiacoke) and Robert Schweikert, (robjo) respectively. They will join the openSUSE Board on January 9th during the transitional meeting of the regularly scheduled Project meeting heldon the Freenode IRC Channel at 17:00 UTC.

The Election Officials would like to congratulate all of thecandidates for a great campaign season. These candidates included Matt Barringer, Richard Brown, Carl Fletcher, Manu Gupta, Chuck Payne and Stefan Seyfried. All of these candidates demonstrated a commitment to the Project and exemplified the Guiding Principles which the Project, as a whole, is founded upon.

We join the rest of the community in looking forward to an exciting year to come as the new Board embarks on new initiatives and directions. And we thank the community for giving us the opportunity to serve as members of the election committee.

Sincerely, The openSUSE Election Committee

- Izabel Valverde - Thomas Schmidt - Bryen M Yunashko

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Congatulations guys I imagine this was a tough 'fight' since all candidates had something to say, I wish you all the best and I am anxious to see you in action since I am pretty sure you will make a change. It is a crucial time for the openSUSE Project and many things need to be done so it is time for work :) Kostas -- --- \m/ --- http://opensuse.gr http://os-el.gr http://amb.opensuse.gr http://www.kde.gr http://warlordfff.tk --- \m/ --- me I am not I --- \m/ --- Time travel is possible, you just need to know the right aliens -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org

Hello Geekos congratulations to Raymond and Robert also from me.. Wolfgang openSUSE Member DE-Wiki-Team Am Montag, 17. Dezember 2012, 07:59:54 schrieb Bryen M Yunashko:

As of 23:00 UTC on 16 December, 2012, the openSUSE Project’s members completed the Fifth election of the openSUSE Board. At stake were two seats of the five electable seats. With 8 candidates, the community definitely had a broad choice of qualified candidates to choose from.

In the end, the two top vote-getters were Raymond Wooninck (tittiacoke) and Robert Schweikert, (robjo) respectively. They will join the openSUSE Board on January 9th during the transitional meeting of the regularly scheduled Project meeting heldon the Freenode IRC Channel at 17:00 UTC.

The Election Officials would like to congratulate all of thecandidates for a great campaign season. These candidates included Matt Barringer, Richard Brown, Carl Fletcher, Manu Gupta, Chuck Payne and Stefan Seyfried. All of these candidates demonstrated a commitment to the Project and exemplified the Guiding Principles which the Project, as a whole, is founded upon.

We join the rest of the community in looking forward to an exciting year to come as the new Board embarks on new initiatives and directions. And we thank the community for giving us the opportunity to serve as members of the election committee.

Sincerely, The openSUSE Election Committee

- Izabel Valverde - Thomas Schmidt - Bryen M Yunashko -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org

On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 7:44 AM, Christian Boltz wrote:

Hello,

Am Montag, 17. Dezember 2012 schrieb Greg Freemyer:

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Bryen, I'm curious what the vote totals were. Not so much which candidate got what, but how the votes were spread out.

ie. Total votes: nnn cast Candidate #1: x votes #2: y votes etc.

The election results are public on connect: https://connect.opensuse.org/pg/polls/read/digitaltomm/42100/opensuse-board-...

Thanks, That does indeed show my concern. The two winners only had 36% and 31% of the voters vote for them. I assume that's because such a big selection of truly good candidates. Again, I have no desire to change this year's process, but for future years an alternate solution would be my preference. Vincent said: "the GNOME Foundation now uses one of the STV variants (Scottish STV, according to the result page). See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_transferable_vote for discussion on STV. There are pros and cons, obviously." Is there software available to do the vote counting for STV? Also, am I the only one bothered by winners having less than 50%? If so, we can leave it as it is. Thanks Greg -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org

On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 5:50 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:

On Thu, 20 Dec 2012 14:53:11 -0500, Greg Freemyer wrote:

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Also, am I the only one bothered by winners having less than 50%? If so, we can leave it as it is.

I'm not, because statistically when you have a larger number of candidates than 2, it's likely the winner will have < 50% of the vote. It'd be possible in a three candidate race for a single position to win with 34% of the vote.

That's the way the math works out. There's no need to complicate things further with a more elaborate voting system.

Jim Jim,

You're totally correct about the math, but at least in the USA, we tend to have election rules that reduce the number of candidates until one of them gets 50%. The STV approach is a way to allow voters to register the preferences all at once, then there is an algorithm to modify their vote as candidates are dropped from consideration. Greg -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org

Am 20.12.2012 23:50, schrieb Jim Henderson:

On Thu, 20 Dec 2012 14:53:11 -0500, Greg Freemyer wrote:

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Also, am I the only one bothered by winners having less than 50%? If so, we can leave it as it is.

I'm not, because statistically when you have a larger number of candidates than 2, it's likely the winner will have < 50% of the vote.

I thought so as well in the first moment, then I remembered that every voter hat 2 votes, so it is not that easy (I actually noted this when I found out that the sum of all vote percentages was bigger than 100% :-) And yes, I feel something like STV would be useful. -- Stefan Seyfried "If your lighter runs out of fluid or flint and stops making fire, and you can't be bothered to figure out about lighter fluid or flint, that is not Zippo's fault." -- bkw -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org

Greg Freemyer wrote:

On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 7:44 AM, Christian Boltz wrote:

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Hello,

Am Montag, 17. Dezember 2012 schrieb Greg Freemyer:

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Bryen, I'm curious what the vote totals were. Not so much which candidate got what, but how the votes were spread out.

ie. Total votes: nnn cast Candidate #1: x votes #2: y votes etc.

The election results are public on connect:

https://connect.opensuse.org/pg/polls/read/digitaltomm/42100/opensuse-board-...

Thanks,

That does indeed show my concern. The two winners only had 36% and 31% of the voters vote for them. I assume that's because such a big selection of truly good candidates.

Or lack of genuine distinction between them.

Also, am I the only one bothered by winners having less than 50%? If so, we can leave it as it is.

Perhaps you can elaborate on why you feel bothered by this? -- Per Jessen, Zürich (5.5°C) http://www.dns24.ch/ - free DNS hosting, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org

Raymond Wooninck wrote:

Hi Greg,

On Thursday 20 December 2012 14:53:11 Greg Freemyer wrote:

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Also, am I the only one bothered by winners having less than 50%? If so, we can leave it as it is.

What concerns me more is that the number of members voting is going down drastically.

In 2010 we had 41.2% of the members voting In 2011 we had 40.8% of the members voting In 2012 we had 29.2% of the members voting.

This year we lost almost 12% of our voting members. The question is why ?

Because of the invisibility of the board and lack of interest. I think the latter is partially due to the former.

According to c.o.o, we have 534 Community Members. One can ask if these are all active members, but it seems that either the number of our active members is shrinking, members are somehow fed up with the election process or that this year despite the big number of candidates members rather not vote as that it is not possible to cast blank votes (no candidate). So before we change the Election model into something else (and I would appreciate if we could also have a look at voting models that are used in Europe/Asia and not only basing ourselves on American models),

The STV model that was proposed is used in Australia, I think. Besides, to start with, we ought to discuss if anything is actually wrong with the current model. For instance, what is the problem with an elected board member having received less than 50% of the votes? It is not at all unusual for prime ministers in continental Europe to have received less than 50% of the votes. (not an optimal comparison, but still).

we should improve the current election process to make sure that we are giving all possible choices to our members so that we can see an increase in the voting members.

You seem to be thinking that the election process is causing people not to vote? I don't think that is the problem at all. I mean, can anyone really imagine interested members going to the election page, then turning in away in disgust: "I really don't like that election process" ? Also, if the process was really an issue, we would surely have had much more discussion about it before the election. Some Swiss referendums have very low participation, some very high. It depends entirely on the topic. If we want more vote(r)s, we need to present topics that people are interested in. In our case, the "topic" is the Board.

If the majority of the members would cast a blank vote, then this would also be a strong signal that none of the candidates is found suitable.

Well, that is one genuine issue with the process - I've asked about a "None of the above" option for the last two elections. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (5.9°C) http://www.dns24.ch/ - free DNS hosting, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org

Hi Per, On Friday 21 December 2012 11:10:53 Per Jessen wrote:

Because of the invisibility of the board and lack of interest. I think the latter is partially due to the former.

This could indeed be the case. Especially when I look at the programs of each candidate, then the invisibility of the board was a major topic.

The STV model that was proposed is used in Australia, I think. Besides, to start with, we ought to discuss if anything is actually wrong with the current model. For instance, what is the problem with an elected board member having received less than 50% of the votes? It is not at all unusual for prime ministers in continental Europe to have received less than 50% of the votes. (not an optimal comparison, but still).

I agree :-) I don't see any problems with the current model, but it seems that some of our community members would like to see a different model.

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we should improve the current election process to make sure that we are giving all possible choices to our members so that we can see an increase in the voting members.

You seem to be thinking that the election process is causing people not to vote? I don't think that is the problem at all. I mean, can anyone really imagine interested members going to the election page, then turning in away in disgust: "I really don't like that election process" ? Also, if the process was really an issue, we would surely have had much more discussion about it before the election.

No, you misunderstood me, but maybe I was not clear enough. As you already indicated the current election process does not support all the choices a voter would like to see. I would like to improve the current process by making sure that all options are there. Maybe at this moment a lot of the voters didn't like any of the candidates and therefore didn't vote. Perhaps with a "Blank Vote or None of the above" we would have seen a higher number of people actually casting a vote and the percentages could have been different. If we have a lot of people voting blank, then there could be an issue that the candidates are seen as "not good enough". If we still see a low voting rate, then we know that the topic itself is no longer interesting. Regards Raymond -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org

Hello Andreas, Am Freitag, 21. Dezember 2012, 13:24:32 schrieb Andreas Jaeger:

On 12/21/2012 10:36 AM, Raymond Wooninck wrote:

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Hi Greg,

On Thursday 20 December 2012 14:53:11 Greg Freemyer wrote:

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Also, am I the only one bothered by winners having less than 50%? If so, we can leave it as it is.

What concerns me more is that the number of members voting is going down drastically.

In 2010 we had 41.2% of the members voting In 2011 we had 40.8% of the members voting In 2012 we had 29.2% of the members voting.

This year we lost almost 12% of our voting members. The question is why ? According to c.o.o, we have 534 Community Members. One can ask if these are all active members, but it seems that either the number of our active members is shrinking, members are somehow fed up with the election process or that this year despite the big number of candidates members rather not vote as that it is not possible to cast blank votes (no candidate).

I know there are some members that have left the community - which is a natural step. Some might have changed jobs, died etc.

If you or the board knows that, why is it so difficult to delete them from membership? If I´m devorced than I´m not married anymore. Kind regards Wolfgang -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org

On 12/21/2012 02:50 PM, Greg Freemyer wrote:

With the current method, votes from 32% of the members would have won a seat on the board for the person with a controversial platform.

I have two votes (one for each candidate) - how is the 32 % counted and calculated? Is that 32 % of all votes? in that case a single candidate could only received 50 % of the votes if everybody gave his two votes. Please have a look at the numbers, with the two votes voting is a bit more complicated. If there are 100 people that can vote, there can be between 100 and 200 legit votes - but a single candidate can only get up to 100 votes (50 % of the total maximal 200). Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger aj@{suse.com,opensuse.org} Twitter/Identica: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GF: Jeff Hawn,Jennifer Guild,Felix Imendörffer,HRB16746 (AG Nürnberg) GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org

Andreas Jaeger wrote:

On 12/21/2012 02:50 PM, Greg Freemyer wrote:

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With the current method, votes from 32% of the members would have won a seat on the board for the person with a controversial platform.

I have two votes (one for each candidate) - how is the 32 % counted and

calculated?

Is that 32 % of all votes? in that case a single candidate could only received 50 % of the votes if everybody gave his two votes.

Please have a look at the numbers, with the two votes voting is a bit more complicated. If there are 100 people that can vote, there can be between 100 and 200 legit votes - but a single candidate can only get up to 100 votes (50 % of the total maximal 200).

Andreas

Your assumption is not correct. The total sum of the vote percentages is near 200%. Thus, it appears the current results were based on the percentage of voters voting for a specific candidate, so in this race the second place winner had 31% of the voters vote for him. Greg -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org

On 12/21/2012 12:17 AM, Greg Freemyer wrote:

On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 5:50 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:

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On Thu, 20 Dec 2012 14:53:11 -0500, Greg Freemyer wrote:

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Also, am I the only one bothered by winners having less than 50%? If so, we can leave it as it is.

I'm not, because statistically when you have a larger number of candidates than 2, it's likely the winner will have < 50% of the vote. It'd be possible in a three candidate race for a single position to win with 34% of the vote.

That's the way the math works out. There's no need to complicate things further with a more elaborate voting system.

Jim Jim,

You're totally correct about the math, but at least in the USA, we tend to have election rules that reduce the number of candidates until one of them gets 50%.

Well, for what is arguably the most important vote in the USA, the presidential election, your statement can be misleading/confusing. The extremely stupid system in the USA, allots electoral votes to a candidate. Having sufficient electoral votes to win the presidency does not imply that the person elected president actually won the majority of votes. Yes the person elected has >50% of the electorate vote but may have <50% of the votes. Go figure. Robert -- Robert Schweikert MAY THE SOURCE BE WITH YOU SUSE-IBM Software Integration Center LINUX Tech Lead rjschwei@suse.com rschweik@ca.ibm.com 781-464-8147 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org