Re: [opensuse-project] Re: SOPA blackout - I don't think openSUSE ought to be making political statements.
This is exactly why I propose openSUSE should just say no and refrain from all political activism. There are millions of issues openSUSE could devote its time and energy to, but because our members and users are highly unlikely to agree on even one, the best option is to stay away. Per Jessen, Zürich (5.5°C)
The project took a stand against an issue which, while regional in legislative terms, would be international if put into in effect, and threaten much of the infrastructure that makes our project possible With SOPA/PIPA, it was in our best interests to join the protests, and make it clear that the legislation threatens the smooth running our project There are millions of issues out there, but only a handful of them directly effect us, and even fewer raise issues we cant easily route around. SOPA/PIPA was one of these rare few. We're not an activist group, we're an open source community, and the only place politics should have here is making sure we speak loud enough to keep external political influence out of our project. In an ideal world, I agree, we shouldn't have needed to do anything at all, but then again stupid american politicians shouldn't be trying to legislate across borders and implement technical solutions that make no sense for their countries petty commercial interests Personally, I have no doubt we needed to be involved in this protest. I hope to never see the project involved in a protest like this again, but that's up to the rest of the world applying common sense when drafting technical legislation. Sticking our head in the sand and hoping other people will make the same points as we need made to survive isn't a responsible option if we want to keep openSUSE moving forward. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org Richard Brown Systems Engineering Team Leader City College Brighton and Hove Make learning a new skill your New Year’s resolution! City College has a wide range of adult evening and weekend courses starting in 2012 (http://www.ccb.ac.uk/public/courses/adult-new-year) - perfect for those who want to acquire a new skill, meet new people or even learn a new language. For more information, call 01273 667759, email info@ccb.ac.uk or see our website at www.ccb.ac.uk -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
* Richard Brown
I hope to never see the project involved in a protest like this again, but that's up to the rest of the world applying common sense when drafting technical legislation.
Sticking our head in the sand and hoping other people will make the same points as we need made to survive isn't a responsible option if we want to keep openSUSE moving forward.
Well said. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2012-01-20 15:14, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* Richard Brown
[01-20-12 08:21]: I hope to never see the project involved in a protest like this again, but that's up to the rest of the world applying common sense when drafting technical legislation.
Sticking our head in the sand and hoping other people will make the same points as we need made to survive isn't a responsible option if we want to keep openSUSE moving forward.
Well said.
That is not the point. The point is that a strike is not decided by the representatives, but by the full working personnel on a vote. I would have voted yes, but there was no vote, thus I don't feel represented by the board. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.4 x86_64 "Celadon" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk8Zel8ACgkQtTMYHG2NR9VdBwCfX/LBux6p+byC4g2b2mEBBgd9 Nc4An1a/xzPQ/m5NcPIZ2Bjh5rbh3zJG =BdAN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 15:29, Carlos E. R.
Sticking our head in the sand and hoping other people will make the same points as we need made to survive isn't a responsible option if we want to keep openSUSE moving forward.
Well said.
That is not the point. The point is that a strike is not decided by the representatives, but by the full working personnel on a vote. I would have voted yes, but there was no vote, thus I don't feel represented by the board.
What do you want.. a personal phone call asking your permission every time the Board has to decide something? As has been stated, this was discussed in the open on IRC at #openSUSE-project Were you (meaning each person who is complaining here on the mailing list) listening in on and participating in the Board discussions that go on there? No? then who is to blame here, you or the Board? C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2012-01-20 15:43, C wrote:
On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 15:29, Carlos E. R.
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What do you want.. a personal phone call asking your permission every time the Board has to decide something?
Everytime a strike is decided, yes. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.4 x86_64 "Celadon" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk8ZfkMACgkQtTMYHG2NR9ULZwCffCIACACkZnRFAQ7TjhjTrjR6 7ioAn2mO/b7Un8DAUfYbrmejJQ88F6Oz =v+CS -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
Le 20/01/2012 15:46, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
Everytime a strike is decided, yes.
whatever was said before, the word "strike" is really inappropriate here. Having a black page for one day is not what most workers call a strike! and could openSUSE dear members try not to repeat arguments over and over? Probably all have been said on the subject and this thread should stop. thanks jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
On 01/20/2012 03:19 PM, jdd wrote:
Le 20/01/2012 15:46, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
Everytime a strike is decided, yes.
whatever was said before, the word "strike" is really inappropriate here. Having a black page for one day is not what most workers call a strike!
and could openSUSE dear members try not to repeat arguments over and over? Probably all have been said on the subject and this thread should stop.
Rejoice SOPA/PIPA are dead. It's better to do something than sit and do nothing. Great that openSUSE team decided to protest. Swapnil -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
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