On 13/12/2020 20.35, Per Jessen wrote:
Simon Lees wrote:
Wrt offtopic, I am a strong believer in lists self-policing and also believe it has worked perfectly fine for the last twenty years.
The evidence from the last few years seems to show that this is something that is simply not working for the factory list.
Simon, do you have any actual evidence to present? I mean, over "the last few years", how many threads have gone off-topic, seen relatively to the number of threads that have not. I really think we have to keep things in perspective. Factual rather than anecdotal.
I wonder if the issue we (as a community) have with factory.lists, is about support for Tumbleweed. People/users look to us for help with Tumbleweed, which is most easily available on factory, but as user questions are most often not development related, they are essentially considered off-topic.
Yes, this is so. Many questions people have with Tumbleweed are new problems that nobody in the user community know about. Only the people that have done the work can possibly know something about those changes, new features, new problems. Or new bugs.
I suggest _that_ problem would be best solved by us proving better support for a main openSUSE distro. Setting up an offtopic police is just knee-jerk non-sense.
Absolutely.
There are other topics, such as hate-speech or profanity, where a decision is often easier to make, but even on the latter, sometimes people differ.
We would like to move to the model we use in the forums / Discord / IRC where moderators have some power to enforce community standards and rules while still leaving the board as the final conflict resolution mechanism.
If "we" == "the board", I think that is a very important statement to make. I would immediately tender my list manager's "job" if we were ever to pursue such non-sense.
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