2014-02-05 09:00:59	robjo	#startmeeting openSUSE Project Meeting
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2014-02-05 09:02:12	robjo	Ouch looks like no bugbot today :(
2014-02-05 09:02:17	robjo	anyone have any ideas?
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2014-02-05 09:02:38	robjo	I guess the IRC troubles are not over
2014-02-05 09:02:48	SFaulken	nope, still having some issues.
2014-02-05 09:02:55	antlarr	yep, looks like that
2014-02-05 09:03:41	kigurame	we can always just keep a log and do it all by hand
2014-02-05 09:03:47	CDelia	Hello my fello geekos
2014-02-05 09:03:54	robjo	OK, lets have the meeting without logging then
2014-02-05 09:04:15	SFaulken	I'm logging, I just know I won't have time to edit today.
2014-02-05 09:04:16	robjo	Fine if you want to volunteer to post the long log later that's fine with me
2014-02-05 09:04:18	SFaulken	I can send it.
2014-02-05 09:04:29	kigurame	that works
2014-02-05 09:04:33	robjo	No editing needed
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2014-02-05 09:04:56	robjo	OK with the logging question out of the way lets try this again
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2014-02-05 09:05:10	robjo	Hello and welcome to the openSUSE project meeting
2014-02-05 09:05:36	ilmehtar	Hello!
2014-02-05 09:05:46	robjo	bugbot is not available today after the recent IRC troubles and SFaulken has volunteered to post the log to the -project ML after the meeting is over
2014-02-05 09:06:12	robjo	awafaa:  ping
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2014-02-05 09:06:49	robjo	vuntz is on an airplane and tigerfoot has a conflict, if I remember correctly
2014-02-05 09:07:38	robjo	Lets take a look at the action items
2014-02-05 09:07:57	kigurame	aye
2014-02-05 09:08:04	awafaa	robjo: pong
2014-02-05 09:08:10	robjo	ilmehtar was suppossed to check with unixstickers if we can get discounts on large orders
2014-02-05 09:08:16	robjo	awafaa: project meeting
2014-02-05 09:08:36	robjo	ilmehtar any update?
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2014-02-05 09:09:26	ilmehtar	robjo: sorry, no progress yet, I'll do it this week
2014-02-05 09:09:36	robjo	OK
2014-02-05 09:10:24	robjo	kigurame: was supposed to start investigating crowdfunding solutions
2014-02-05 09:10:31	robjo	kigurame: any updates?
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2014-02-05 09:11:22	CDelia	Crowdfunding for openSUSE?
2014-02-05 09:11:24	kigurame	Yes actually after contacting several crowd funding solutions providers our biggest problem is the holding of funds
2014-02-05 09:12:15	kigurame	If this were to be a option we would need to establish a legal entity for it either for or non profit.
2014-02-05 09:12:49	CDelia	I believe Drew Adams was working on the establishment of openSUSE as a non-profit if I recall correctly.
2014-02-05 09:13:00	CDelia	Not sure how far along he is on that project.
2014-02-05 09:13:02	robjo	Yes, I expected that to eventually be the problem. I have thought about this problem and want to float som eideas in a smaller circle first to see if we can kick some ideas around
2014-02-05 09:13:34	kigurame	Then all we'd really need is a team to handle that.
2014-02-05 09:14:03	kigurame	The finance itself is rather trivial
2014-02-05 09:14:09	robjo	as such we cannot establish openSUSE as a non profit, I think. we would have to have a "separate" organization, call it openSUSEBoosters ;)
2014-02-05 09:14:12	CDelia	Any thoughts on who would produce the video for the crowdfunding?
2014-02-05 09:14:25	kigurame	robjo: correct
2014-02-05 09:14:52	henne	you can't call it openSUSE...
2014-02-05 09:14:54	robjo	anyway, sounds like kigurame has done the necessary legwork
2014-02-05 09:15:03	kigurame	but entirely doable if we could round up some trustworthy volunteers
2014-02-05 09:15:09	henne	it's a registered trademark :)
2014-02-05 09:15:12	robjo	henne: maybe if we get trademark permission from the board ;)
2014-02-05 09:15:38	henne	even then you can't and shouldn't because that can be revoked at any time
2014-02-05 09:16:04	henne	welcome to the re-run of the foundation discussions from 2009 ;)
2014-02-05 09:16:20	robjo	anyway kigurame can you send a short report to the board list, we'd certainly like to discuss it at the upcoming face to face this weekend
2014-02-05 09:16:25	kigurame	call it Gecko boosters then :P
2014-02-05 09:16:40	kigurame	aye will do robjo
2014-02-05 09:16:55	kigurame	Gecko is a non trademarkable entity
2014-02-05 09:17:09	henne	and the SUSE chameleon is called Geeko ;)
2014-02-05 09:17:25	henne	anyway.
2014-02-05 09:17:38	kigurame	which is trademarkable
2014-02-05 09:17:43	kigurame	extra e-
2014-02-05 09:17:57	kigurame	trademark law it's wonderfull
2014-02-05 09:18:08	henne	like all laws
2014-02-05 09:18:09	robjo	henne: I think this is a bit of a different approach as we are talking about a separate organization that would not necessarily depend on the mood of the lawyers at the company
2014-02-05 09:19:05	robjo	anyway, although there are no topics other than GSoC on the agenda I don't think we need to go down that path right now
2014-02-05 09:19:21	robjo	That's it for the action items
2014-02-05 09:19:32	robjo	Next topic GSoC
2014-02-05 09:19:44	henne	robjo: if you guys need input on that topic get some old timer on board
2014-02-05 09:19:59	kigurame	I haven't kept up with any developments on GSOC these past 2 weeks where do we stand
2014-02-05 09:20:10	robjo	henne: I'll bug you when I am in NUE next week ;)
2014-02-05 09:20:18	manugupt1__	Hi
2014-02-05 09:20:33	robjo	saurabhsood91_: manugupt1 updates on GSoC?
2014-02-05 09:20:43	henne	robjo: but but but, I'm young and fresh and healthy!
2014-02-05 09:20:55	saurabhsood91_	robjo: Hi
2014-02-05 09:21:08	robjo	henne: great, we'll need you energy ;)
2014-02-05 09:21:16	manugupt1__	Just a quick update here, we will be submitting our application on 11th or 12th of feb
2014-02-05 09:21:20	ilmehtar	henne: who are you and what have you done with that old, frail, sick henne who works in Nuremberg?
2014-02-05 09:21:21	saurabhsood91_	We have 8 ideas on the list so far. A few more would be nice...
2014-02-05 09:21:42	manugupt1__	Yes a few more ideas will be nice
2014-02-05 09:22:09	manugupt1__	We have spoken to MATE developers and they might pitch in an idea or two by the end of the week
2014-02-05 09:22:26	robjo	great
2014-02-05 09:22:41	 *	|miska| sent CfI internally around SUSE in Prague
2014-02-05 09:22:44	robjo	manugupt1 and saurabhsood91_thanks for all the effort you are putting into GSoC again
2014-02-05 09:23:02	manugupt1__	saurabhsood91_: Anything else ?
2014-02-05 09:23:13	manugupt1__	|miska|: thanks and we are still awaiting your idea
2014-02-05 09:23:16	antlarr	Tomorrow I'll talk with the rest of openqa developers and see if we can come up with some other ideas for openqa too
2014-02-05 09:23:18	saurabhsood91_	manugupt1__: i think not...
2014-02-05 09:23:34	|miska|	manugupt1__: Yep, I'm thinking how to make it hard enough for GSoC :-D
2014-02-05 09:23:52	manugupt1__	|miska|: :) thanks a lot
2014-02-05 09:23:58	kigurame	lol
2014-02-05 09:24:00	saurabhsood91_	:)
2014-02-05 09:24:05	robjo	|miska|: mind sending something to the SUSE internal list, not just Prague?
2014-02-05 09:24:21	manugupt1__	antlarr: thanks a lot, if you have a common mailing list you can use that as a reference for your gsoc student
2014-02-05 09:24:32	|miska|	robjo: Which one ;-)
2014-02-05 09:24:50	manugupt1__	for openqa, just a suggestion so that in case one of you is short on time the mailing list can take care of the student, some orgs do that
2014-02-05 09:24:52	robjo	research is probably our best chance to pick up a few ideas
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2014-02-05 09:25:14	aplanas	antlarr: we have some ideas for openQA, yes
2014-02-05 09:25:24	|miska|	robjo: Good idea, will do that after meeting (and will check whether there is no such mail already)
2014-02-05 09:25:36	robjo	|miska|: thanks
2014-02-05 09:25:50	robjo	Anything else on GSoC?
2014-02-05 09:25:57	antlarr	aplanas: great
2014-02-05 09:26:13	manugupt1__	I guess not..
2014-02-05 09:26:18	manugupt1__	thanks a lot aplanas antlarr
2014-02-05 09:26:24	saurabhsood91_	i guess not...
2014-02-05 09:27:03	robjo	OK, that's GSoC and the end of the agenda
2014-02-05 09:27:24	robjo	Any other topics people would like to discuss?
2014-02-05 09:27:32	 *	kigurame kicks SFaulken your up neckbeard
2014-02-05 09:27:35	SFaulken	I've got a couple.
2014-02-05 09:27:38	SFaulken	actually.
2014-02-05 09:27:54	robjo	SFaulken: go
2014-02-05 09:29:12	SFaulken	Well, first and foremost, I'm not sure how many of you are following the -factory ml, and seen the uproar, confusion, and FUD around the openSUSE @ SUSE team.    But I think the board needs to get on top of this.   I've already seen some *really* crap reporting from various F/OSS news sources
2014-02-05 09:29:51	kigurame	I agree some smoothing over would be nice
2014-02-05 09:30:07	SFaulken	nobody seems to know what's going on, and the explanations I've seen on the lists so far have been about as clear as mud.
2014-02-05 09:30:14	kigurame	A few articles are outright panicky
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2014-02-05 09:30:31	|miska|	We tried to clear things up a little bit with blog post that we published afterward, but more sugestions are welcome
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2014-02-05 09:30:48	SFaulken	the prevailing incorrect assumption I've been seeing, is "zOMG, SUSE is abandoning openSUSE!!!"
2014-02-05 09:31:19	robjo	kigurame: people will write whatever they want, there is little we can do about that, unfortunately in this day and age people often choose to write about stuff they don't understand
2014-02-05 09:31:49	|miska|	We sent http://lizards.opensuse.org/2014/02/03/trying-to-add-some-light/ to mailing list and G+/FB/twitter
2014-02-05 09:31:50		[AKA] http://tinyurl.com/kh2vppk (lizards.opensuse.org)
2014-02-05 09:31:56	kigurame	|miska| i saw the blogpost it just does'nt seem to have much effect outside the community
2014-02-05 09:32:01	robjo	but I suppose a blog post by "opposing" forces is a reasonable idea
2014-02-05 09:32:08	manugupt1__	I think a news article will be good, maybe the same blog post can be copied over, however I do believe openSUSE Team's communication has improved significantly
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2014-02-05 09:32:35	kigurame	something (explain it like i'm five) might be in order
2014-02-05 09:32:51	SFaulken	I agree that the news sites are going to write what they're going to right, but we need clearer communications.   I don't know if that means having somebody appointed as a proofreader/editor on "official" things, like Jos or somebody, but the communications have been very confusing.
2014-02-05 09:33:31	robjo	SFaulken: from a board perspective we have struggled with this no question. The discussion is technical in nature but as ilmehtar pointed out has project and community wide effects
2014-02-05 09:33:39	ilmehtar	SFaulken: the openSUSE Team@SUSE made the announcement that triggered the FUD and confusion, and have made a number of announcements to tidy and clear it up. I'm not disagreeing the Board should be concerned/involved in this situation - we are and we are, but we probably dont want to add to the panic by producing a waterfall of retractions..unless you're talking about communications 'in the future' (which your last msg implies) in w
2014-02-05 09:33:39	ilmehtar	hich case, that's something we want to discuss at our meeting this week :)
2014-02-05 09:33:45	kigurame	Escpecially to those not following the whole thing.
2014-02-05 09:33:48	robjo	this will certainly be a topic this coming weekend
2014-02-05 09:34:15	ilmehtar	in the future, we want to avoid this happening again, and we (the Board) are going to be putting our heads together and try and come up with a way
2014-02-05 09:34:22	SFaulken	ilmehtar: yes, but I think the board talking to the openSUSE @ SUSE team would be a good idea, and putting out a "explain what this all means, like we're all five years old" post would be a good thing.
2014-02-05 09:34:32	SFaulken	not a retraction, a clarification.
2014-02-05 09:34:49	SFaulken	there is a fair bit of panic amongst the regular old users right now.
2014-02-05 09:34:49	tigerfoot	SFaulken: don't worry we're really in on out down top off
2014-02-05 09:35:41	SFaulken	in any case, I just wanted to bring that up.   I don't know if we need to beat on it for hours here in this meeting.
2014-02-05 09:35:46	ilmehtar	SFaulken: don't worry, the Board have been talking to the openSUSE @ SUSE Team
2014-02-05 09:35:59	robjo	SFaulken: I think an explanation at the level of a five year old will do justice to the situation, and I think the openSUSE team has already tried that with the blog |miska| mentioned
2014-02-05 09:36:43	antlarr	maybe the board could issue an statement saying that they've read the clarifications and are happy with them, and then explain why (for five years old)
2014-02-05 09:36:47	kigurame	It'll blow over but for gods sake let's prevent it in the future
2014-02-05 09:36:55	SFaulken	I've just been involved in a prior project or two, where FUD got spun out of control, better to jump on it when it happens.
2014-02-05 09:36:58	robjo	there's a not missing of course in my previous sentence ;)
2014-02-05 09:37:51	SFaulken	Anyway, on to the next thing I wanted to bring up, which does indirectly tie into the crowdfunding discussion.
2014-02-05 09:38:14	kigurame	yes and a tad more cheerfull
2014-02-05 09:39:22	robjo	SFaulken: that's a reasonable position. But we must also consider that the board does not have a big stick to wield, anyway I expect we'll have something to add to the world after this coming weekend
2014-02-05 09:39:29	ilmehtar	kigurame: "lets prevent it in the future" - agreed :)
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2014-02-05 09:40:02	 *	ilmehtar goes looking for a big stick (afk 5 mins)
2014-02-05 09:40:56	SFaulken	I think we can all agree that none of us are particularly happy with the current GUI tools available for package management in openSUSE, they work, but well, meh.   And pursuant to that, I have been talking with/working with Aaron Seigo from KDE on porting over the Bodega store from plasma-active, for openSUSE
2014-02-05 09:41:07	robjo	ilmehtar: when you find it make certain NOT to bring it into the building over the weekend, or ever
2014-02-05 09:42:19	tigerfoot	SFaulken: what's wrong with zypper in konsole ? :-))))))))))
2014-02-05 09:42:20	robjo	SFaulken: great are you working with the yast team as well to get this integrated? or is this a separate effort?
2014-02-05 09:42:41	SFaulken	robjo: I haven't gotten that far yet, but I will be when the time comes.
2014-02-05 09:42:41	kigurame	tigerfoot: it'll use libzypp that make it better ?
2014-02-05 09:42:56	ilmehtar	SFaulken: interesting, I've been having a conversation with someone from Intel today who wants to work on improving YaST in gtk..he's more interested in the whole of YaST, not just package management..
2014-02-05 09:43:03	SFaulken	tigerfoot: for me?  absolutely nothing.
2014-02-05 09:43:09	tigerfoot	SFaulken kigurame then you have not excuse to not propose a talk at osc14 :-)
2014-02-05 09:43:14	SFaulken	ilmehtar: Hey, I'm good on options.
2014-02-05 09:43:32	SFaulken	Now, the interesting bit about Bodega, is that it isn't just a "Package Manager" frontend.
2014-02-05 09:43:42	robjo	SFaulken: maybe there is some project for GSoC in that effort?
2014-02-05 09:43:42	kigurame	buthead here's not alone in this
2014-02-05 09:43:51	ilmehtar	SFaulken: and, I'm actually quite happy with packagekit in GNOME..and interested in what upstream is doing in their gnome-software store..I'm not saying this to discorage you, go for it, just disagreeing with the sweeping statement that 'none of us are happy' :)
2014-02-05 09:44:07	SFaulken	ilmehtar: see, I hate PackageKit.
2014-02-05 09:44:10	SFaulken	Always have.
2014-02-05 09:44:20	SFaulken	it's the first thing I uninstall on a new install.
2014-02-05 09:44:32	ilmehtar	:) anyway, continue with your pitch, didn't want to derail you
2014-02-05 09:44:33	SFaulken	but, I'm also not a gnome user  =]
2014-02-05 09:44:36	manugupt1__	https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:GSOC_ideas you can check and add here if you want to ;)
2014-02-05 09:44:37		[AKA] http://tinyurl.com/bvgeppl (en.opensuse.org)
2014-02-05 09:44:39	 *	|miska| saw App-Stream live and kicking on FOSDEM
2014-02-05 09:45:07	SFaulken	Anyway, this is more informational than developmental at this point, as I don't have any code laid down yet for anybody to look at.
2014-02-05 09:45:07	kigurame	We had a meeting with aaron about a week ago
2014-02-05 09:45:09	tigerfoot	SFaulken: tips zypper al packagekit
2014-02-05 09:46:08	kigurame	but dropping it on GsoC might not be a bad idea free slave labour errr i mean volunteers
2014-02-05 09:46:08	SFaulken	Bodega is using appstream, which ties in nicely with what the gnome folks are doing, and it's native qt, not dependent on KDE
2014-02-05 09:46:25	manugupt1__	SFaulken: there was a gsoc project to improve one click installs in openSUSE, then we had apper and others with packagekit backend
2014-02-05 09:47:46	kigurame	Nice thing is though that bodgega can offer other content besides software
2014-02-05 09:48:01	SFaulken	And here is the nice part, and where it ties in with the crowdfunding discussion.   Instead of thinking "Package Manager" Bodega is much more like the Google Play store, or Apple iTunes/App store, it is able to tie into other things, like video, music, even physical stores like store.opensuse.org, and possibly allow a revenue stream for openSUSE.
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2014-02-05 09:48:48	SFaulken	For instance, (and kigurame is going to kick me for this example), it could be tied into something like the Amazon mp3 store, through the affiliate program.
2014-02-05 09:49:08	SFaulken	Please note, I'm not endorsing amazon over anythign else, it's just an easy example that everybody understands.
2014-02-05 09:49:14	kigurame	Yes now shuttlworth the 2nd
2014-02-05 09:50:46	 *	SFaulken listens to the cricket.
2014-02-05 09:50:54	SFaulken	s/cricket/crickets
2014-02-05 09:51:16	robjo	I guess it would heavily depend on the presentation, I am not certain integration of "micro payments" is something we should strive for
2014-02-05 09:51:44	kigurame	The biggest thing why we dropped it here is one that you all know it's coming and secondly we really need some idea of what people want it to look like.
2014-02-05 09:51:46	SFaulken	it doesn't *have* to have that functionality, it is just something that could be done.
2014-02-05 09:51:47	manugupt1__	SFaulken: http://community.kde.org/Bodega is this the link you are talking about
2014-02-05 09:51:48		[AKA] http://tinyurl.com/nyow63j (community.kde.org)
2014-02-05 09:52:02	robjo	"throw me a penny for a package update" doesn't sound very appealing to me
2014-02-05 09:52:10	SFaulken	robjo: that wouldn't be part of it.
2014-02-05 09:52:19	SFaulken	the package management would remain free as always.
2014-02-05 09:52:53	kigurame	lol yeah let's not confuse the application management form the stores
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2014-02-05 09:53:04	SFaulken	anything coming out of the openSUSE/packman/whatever repositories would be handled through zypper/yast/packageKit as it is now.
2014-02-05 09:53:34	SFaulken	manugupt1__: I think so, but firefox is locked up on me right now  =]
2014-02-05 09:53:38	kigurame	you can just tie multiple store streams into one view
2014-02-05 09:53:42	 *	tigerfoot start to really hate any kind of app store ... they are all clunky, doesn't offer the real information you need when you're doing IT
2014-02-05 09:54:07	manugupt1__	SFaulken: overall I like the idea, but not still not sure how it will work out as tigerfoot says
2014-02-05 09:54:26	kigurame	tigerfoot: hence we ask for input on what you all think it should look like
2014-02-05 09:54:30	manugupt1__	they have been known to be buggy
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2014-02-05 09:55:28	manugupt1__	kigurame: as in look like as in UX?
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2014-02-05 09:55:35	manugupt1__	or UI
2014-02-05 09:55:43	kigurame	well in technicality it's nor really for us now is it i'm sure everyone here would use zypper or yast
2014-02-05 09:55:59	kigurame	it's for the average user
2014-02-05 09:56:23	SFaulken	manugupt1__: UX/UI is sort of secondary at the moment, We can theoretically just set it up to be nothing more than another frontend to the package management, and not use the "stores" functionality at all, if we wish to.
2014-02-05 09:56:25	kigurame	manugupt1__: UI and information presented.
2014-02-05 09:57:05	manugupt1__	and openSUSE specific or otherwise?
2014-02-05 09:57:09	SFaulken	and kigurame is correct, in that something like this really isn't for *us* but more for the overall userbase, who have come to expect things like appstores
2014-02-05 09:57:13	 *	tigerfoot is far from average user, and sorry even with my best effort I'm not able to imagine what they want to see :-)
2014-02-05 09:57:33	ilmehtar	SFaulken: I think we have enough 'frontends' for package management - an appstore interface, despite the misgivings, might be a way to go
2014-02-05 09:57:42	kigurame	So maybe we could do a call for some sort of community input ?
2014-02-05 09:58:04	kigurame	ilmehtar: this is exaclty out point
2014-02-05 09:58:18	robjo	kigurame: I think oSC would be a great forum, if you can get to Dubrovnik ;)
2014-02-05 09:58:23	tigerfoot	kigurame: come to osc14 and ask :-)
2014-02-05 09:58:31	SFaulken	tigerfoot: heh.  that's actually not that hard.   Just talk to some of them.   Alot of just average users, really enjoy the "appstore" paradigm, as they've gotten used to mobile.  Where that is the default, whether on an Android/iOS, or any other device.
2014-02-05 09:58:59	tigerfoot	also if you have draft of the interface, those can be shown in next event for average user input (think of Scale, linuxTag etc....)
2014-02-05 09:59:16	kigurame	tigerfoot: excelent idea
2014-02-05 09:59:23	robjo	It may be cool to see some sketches and mock ups to have something visual to go with the discussion
2014-02-05 09:59:27	SFaulken	tigerfoot: that's where my focus is at the moment, getting something installable for people to bash on as a preview.
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2014-02-05 09:59:44	kigurame	SFaulken: would'nt even have to work :P
2014-02-05 09:59:54	kigurame	just visuals
2014-02-05 09:59:56	tigerfoot	if you setup a webpage with different layout, + a send feedback button ala susestudio, we can easily advertise it.
2014-02-05 09:59:57	SFaulken	as I said, this was more just informational, today, to let you guys know what I've got cooking, that may, or may not be something we want to pursue as a project.
2014-02-05 10:00:40	robjo	SFaulken: well, within openSUSE you are free to pursue what you are interested in
2014-02-05 10:00:41	tigerfoot	better to fail quickly with just sketches, than later after having written 1000 lines of dead code :-)
2014-02-05 10:00:52	kigurame	tigerfoot: true
2014-02-05 10:01:01	SFaulken	As much as I hate to give them any props, that's one of the things that Ubuntu does have going for it, for the average user, and why it remains so popular, is how easy they make it to find software and media, through the appstore they use.
2014-02-05 10:01:02	robjo	if you have the time and energy to build it and maintain it it can certainly make it into factory
2014-02-05 10:01:05	kigurame	SFaulken: break out the crayons
2014-02-05 10:01:35	ilmehtar	SFaulken: I think that's the logic behind GNOME's software store, but that uses PackageKit as it's backend :)
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2014-02-05 10:01:45	SFaulken	ilmehtar: right.   
2014-02-05 10:01:59	tigerfoot	just remember we have the trouble of not being able to have everything under the same umbrella due to patent troll war ... if going to geeko infrastructure
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2014-02-05 10:02:36	tigerfoot	or better to ask legal team if it would become feasible or not. if not we could find our way on some external like opensuse-community.org
2014-02-05 10:03:02	ilmehtar	I've been having some interesting discussions about that with one of the legal guys at @SUSE actually, I'll talk to about that when I see you this weekend tigerfoot :)
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2014-02-05 10:03:18	kigurame	stores for the app could be hosted anywhere
2014-02-05 10:03:34	SFaulken	Well, that's why I said the monetized part of Bodega would tie into the crowdfunding discussion.   As if we did decide to do some "store" functionality, we would run into the same issue, of where the funds go.
2014-02-05 10:03:59	ilmehtar	kigurame: from a legal perspective, we'd probably need some disclaimers/notifications informing users of the 3rd party, non-openSUSE status of those other stores .. responsibility with the provider, stuff like that
2014-02-05 10:04:14	SFaulken	ilmehtar: that's actually already there in the plasma-active version.
2014-02-05 10:04:19	 *	tigerfoot think really the topic Geeko's money has to return to Geekos :-)
2014-02-05 10:04:54	SFaulken	as well as things like disclosing and requiring agreement to licensing terms, for things like skype, or nvidia prop drivers, commercial software, and the like.
2014-02-05 10:04:54	 *	robjo has to turn attention to a phone call
2014-02-05 10:04:58	kigurame	ilmehtar: including click trough licensing soon
2014-02-05 10:05:08	robjo	since there is no bugbot there is no #endmeeting
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2014-02-05 10:05:13	 *	tigerfoot have to go. will read the backlog
2014-02-05 10:05:21	robjo	feel free to keep going
2014-02-05 10:05:26	SFaulken	heh.    Alright, we calling end to the meeting proper?
2014-02-05 10:05:35	kigurame	cut it at the hour
2014-02-05 10:05:41	kigurame	sounds good to me
2014-02-05 10:05:47	SFaulken	alrighty.  
2014-02-05 10:05:52	robjo	Yup lets cut he log there
2014-02-05 10:05:56	 *	SFaulken goes to clean up the log and send it off to the ml
2014-02-05 10:06:00	robjo	Thanks SFaulken
2014-02-05 10:06:08	ilmehtar	SFaulken: I think you've got enough feedback on your last topic to know it's got enough legs to continue it :)
2014-02-05 10:06:25	SFaulken	ilmehtar: aye.   Which is pretty much what I was looking for.
2014-02-05 10:06:27	kigurame	we had to float it somewhere
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