Simon Lees wrote:
On 5/13/21 4:41 AM, Per Jessen wrote:
Simon Lees wrote:
On 5/12/21 2:54 AM, Per Jessen wrote:
Simon Lees wrote:
Moving people off moderation: * The Boards impression was that Heroes will automatically do this after the time has elapsed
Moderation is something that happens so rarely, there is no automated function.
Maybe automated was the wrong word here, as a board we assumed that this was being tracked by the Heroes and they would remove people from moderation after there time period had expired, this wasn't always happening.
Simon, like I said -
1) it happens so rarely (less than once in five years), plus -
I have been on the board for just over 3 years now and while as a board we haven't often placed people under moderation
Perhaps you could elaborate and let us know exactly _how_ often ? I count only 1 (one) such occurrence) and I have been the mailing list manager since 2016 IIRC. In the ten-fifteen years prior to that, I see two life-time bans.
(partly because we probably didn't know if we could). Over the last 3 years we have dealt with atleast several complaints a year most of which we have probably only chosen to give warnings for. A number of cases have involved complaints about the behavior of multiple people in one thread. In a number of these cases and some others we believe we would have had better outcomes for the community if moderators could step in and help de escalate the situation quickly,
Overall, that is difficult to argue with. It is also highly hypothetical though.
[1a] did the Board consult with the "moderators", to find out why they did not correctly end the moderation in question?
Yes we started those discussions and looking into it as soon as we were aware, it seems like moderators only have rights to moderate incoming messages and can't add or remove people. When the group was set up that was obviously the most important part.
I guess there is a reason why our secret gang of jolly moderators saw fit to _not_ bring this up right away, the very minute they determined they were unable to lift the moderation ? They could have asked Sasi or myself for assistance, right away.
[1b] I noticed no report on the progress of recruiting "moderators". [Is it secret or has there not been any progress?
There has been progress, however in certain timezones there is probably room for more progress.
Might we perhaps have a report on that progress? (or is it also secret?)
[2] here I speak only for myself - the openSUSE Heroes is a group of volunteer sysadmins, primarily there to "scratch that itch". Dealing with the once-in-a-blue-moon moderation does not itch a lot.
Yes this is precisely why it makes sense to hand these functions of to a dedicated group.
Except there are so remotely few of these functions.
One can only assume they had a need to develop one. I do not believe we have such a need on our mailing lists.
This is where you disagree with at least enough of the board that we feel it is worth discussing the topic in detail.
I certainly think the board should discuss it, but the board has already gone beyond that. The board has implemented secret measures, signed on incompetent so-called "moderators" without informing the community. Me thinks the idea has already failed miserably, and why on earth try perpetuate failure? -- Per Jessen, Zürich (9.3°C) Member, openSUSE Heroes