On 12/24/20 8:30 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 15/12/2020 19.56, Stefan Seyfried wrote:
On 14.12.20 01:04, Simon Lees wrote:
The other frequent cause of "Noise" is bug reports about something in a new snapshot by posting to the list these waste a small amount of all developers time where as when posted to the bugtracker only the relevant devs need be reported.
That's your view of the issue. Mine is different.
The mails on factory which I read with high priority are:
* "New Tumbleweed Snapshot released" => to check what changed and if this warrants a timely update * The responses to "New Tumbleweed Snapshot released", preferrably with a good subject line. => to quickly get an overview if this snapshot has rough edges and if I probably should defer my update.
Absolutely.
I do the same, but as I don't /use/ tumbleweed, I read with the purpose of helping users that come later asking about an issue (perhaps in other lists). It may be an issue I read about here. It is the main job I do as volunteer.
Checking bugzilla for every possible bug before updating is just not possible. TBH it's pretty hard to find anything in bugzilla at all. The only searches that work reliably for me are the "bugs assigned to email X" style of searches, but useful content search? Nope.
And then many bugs just won't get reported. I am not going to report a possible bug that I might have found if I'm not quite sure it is a bug and not a user / config error. Or if it is simply not that reproducible but only happens "sometimes".
If questions like "after update to this snapshot, my sshd does no longer let me log in, does anyone else see that?" are no longer allowed on factory, then please immediately unsubscribe me.
Yes, the factory list would lose a lot of its usefulness.
At the time the board decided there probably wasn't enough demand for a mailing list dedicated to new tumbleweed snapshots + reports of issues for other users (We expect developers to be notified of issues by tickets in the bugtracker). Would a dedicated list for the tumbleweed snapshot email and the usecase you describe above away from the main development list work for both of you? If this is something the community would find useful we can look at it in the new year. -- Simon Lees (Simotek) http://simotek.net Emergency Update Team keybase.io/simotek SUSE Linux Adelaide Australia, UTC+10:30 GPG Fingerprint: 5B87 DB9D 88DC F606 E489 CEC5 0922 C246 02F0 014B