Hey,
Dne úterý 9. července 2024 15:25:12, SELČ, ddemaio openSUSE napsal(a):
> >> Mixed Brand Perceptions: If one of the entities has a problem or
> >> negative publicity, it can spill over to the other. For example, if
> >> openSUSE faces a security issue, customers might associate this
> >> problem
> >> with SUSE as well, even if SUSE is not affected.
> >
> > Exactly. That is our warranty, that SUSE will do whatever it can to
> > protect
> > openSUSE.
> >
> > Regarding security issue, but that's correct! In case SUSE is using
> > openSUSE
> > binaries (and vice versa), there are for sure some security issues that
> > affect
> > both, naturally? This again "forces" SUSE to cooperate with the
> > community
> > tightly and was always the case. Again, that is correct.
>
> This is just one point of view. There are many other implications to
> consider besides security and code. Ones that are outside the control of
> either that find there way into media narratives. I understand the point
> above, but there other considerations.
It is the community point of view (or more specifically a single community member point of view), not corporate point of view, yeah. That's how healthy discussion works, both parties share their point of view and try to find a compromise.
If there are other points, just list them instead of saying they are here.
> >> Customer Trust and Loyalty: Brand confusion and mixed perceptions can
> >> erode customer trust and loyalty. Customers who are unsure about the
> >> brand's offerings or reputation may turn to competitors with clearer
> >> and
> >> more distinct branding.
> >
> > openSUSE community is strengthening the brand. Again - how and where is
> > the
> > openSUSE community "hurting" the SUSE brand?
> >
> > Unles you make it more specific, this is just a PR BS, nothing more.
>
> So let's go down that rabbit hole a little. With the narrative of the
> future Leap this past year and a half, do you think it had implications
> on SUSE? For those firms that understand the relationship, there was
> probably a solid benefit; for those that didn't, it might have scared
> them away. Some might categorize this as net neutral, but I think Leap
> has mixed implications for SUSE. In this example, probably harmful to
> growth.
That's speculative. I think, that (fail of) business success of SUSE is purely on the highest management (and continues to be), not on the technical teams, not on the tech team leads and for sure not on the openSUSE community.
Of course I am replying to speculation with another speculation, because obviously I do not have access to talks inside SUSE.
> > Why should we consider change of name and branding when something other
> > changes? That makes no sense, change for the sake of change. Or you
> > mean like
> > the 42.1 versioning effort? :D
>
> Seeing that this whole thread is based on a request, shouldn't the
> answer be clear. Change for the sake of change is a good thing in my
> opinion. It is beneficial, brings new experiences and new ways of
> thinking about issues. Comfort zones are beautiful places, but very
> little ever grows there. Maybe think about SUSE being a big brother here
> trying to guide a sibling to a new, more successful place.
Proposal, not request. IF it would be communicated as a request from the start, I think the situation and discussion would be far more different (worse). This is important.
The currently undefined relationship between SUSE is a huge barrier to proper solution. SUSE tries to make implication they have no control over openSUSE, yet at the same time, most of the people here think about the rebranding effort as an request, not a proposal. So how is it? Plus another unrelated SUSE tries (i am not listing them here) to affect openSUSE. These tries and directing the community are completely fine, as far as SUSE is giving back to the community and not tries to FORCE them.
Unfortunately I do not agree that change for the sake of change is beneficial in vast majority of cases. Some of them even in history of this project. As I said on IRC: "Don't be the girl that dyes her hair after every breakup." Especially if you are trying to be "grown up" :)
SUSE cannot be big brother to a openSUSE little sibling, because https://media.ccc.de/v/4411-we-re-all-grown-up-opensuse-is-not-suse
Do you see all the contradictions in this whole case?
> > If this is meant to be discussion (and "proposal"), then make a poll so
> > the
> > community can decide by themselves.
>
> Noted, but certainly this can wait to see what the sentiment is among
> the community through dialog.
> v/r
> Doug
The vast majority of the community has their opinion, but will not express it unless you give them simple way, like for example one click in a poll.
Usually community remains silent until you try to limit them. Then it changes into avalanche. It has happened multiple times.
Regards,
Gfs